Spyderco Paramilitary 2 VS Benchmade Griptilian VS ZT 0562 - Discussion
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Easy the zt
I’m the sam way about USA made knives. The vast majority of my collection is made in USA, but I have a few Taiwan Cold Steels, some Italian made Steel Wills and Lion Steel and an Argentine Boker. I just don’t want any of my knives to say made in China. It’s really difficult if not impossible to avoid Chinese goods in everything else, but I can in my knife hobby.
Your “push button” vs “light switch” demo just saved my newly de-assisted 0350. Its now a keeper. Thx guys!
Have all three and they're all solid knives. .The 0562 in g10 and elmax, the grey g10 grip with blue liners and standoffs and 20cv, and the pm2 in digi camo, black s30v blade. But I still prefer the manix 2. I have three versions, my favorite being the carbon fiber with cruwear satin blade. Just my subjective opinion, but the size of the manix 2, the way it fits in my hand is like it was made for me. The ball bearing lock is drop shut smooth. Threw a deep carry clip on it. Also prefer the Shaman. Love those contoured g10 scales and nice thick blade stock with more robust tip than the pm2 or manix 2.
I've got a vid coming up you'll love!
@@metal_complex 👍👌 Looking forward to it!
I currently own all three of these knives. The Griptilian in DLC D2 steel, the PM2 in satin S30V and ZT in stonewashed S35V. Your explanation of all three knives is definitely on point. I love all three models.
I have broke 3 omega springs. Great knives the grips are but I’m on the pm2 kick now lol
My 0562 (or 9/16" as my millwright brain reads it) is my coolest knife but it's noticeably heavier in pocket and I prefer tip up for speed of deployment. My PM2 is super lightweight and tip up and way more fun to fiddle with. I love them both. I need to get a griptillian.
Really great video!!! Was waiting to see a comparison on these knives!And glad that you were the one to do it! I love the ZT 0562cf and griptillian 551-1. Planning on getting them both:)
I have all three. ZT all day long. I don’t like the Para 2’s ergonomics. It feels like a block of wood.
I've had the Spyderco and that was about 8 years ago when I was still recovering from strokes and I didn't like the different kind of lock, paramilitary 2 I haven't had that bench made but I have a couple of other Benchmades and all the big fan of them, and I have that very Zero Tolerance hinder and I love it it is in my pocket almost every day since I've got it I usually carry two knives one I can work with and then one like my Spyderco P'kal. Sometimes I'll carry my Hinder or one of my less expensive knives if I am going to do a lot of box cutting or something. Damn I love knives! About four and made knives I used to never buy Chinese made I just wouldn't do it but since they started making these Civivi it's really rare though I will I will in a couple of other brands but especially that yes you bet I buy them they're too damn well made and too nice comparable to the Hinder to not buy them for $175 or under. Yes I do! I'm not a rich man! And as far as Taiwanese knives I've always loved them. To me the only difference between Taiwanese and American made is the price that's the only difference damn good workmanship in Taiwan! And they are our allies!
Good point about the Spyderco compression lock. For all its strengths and positive attributes it's one glaring fault is its ergonomics in operation.
It forces you to take purchase of the knife in a rather sketchy position during unlocking. I've dropped my yojimbo-2 due to this issue, w&hich thudded into the side of my foot and augered into the hardwood floor with a "thud", pinning me there until I uuuhhh, un-pinned myself.
No, it wasn't fun.
I know this is an old video, but if you see this, I was wondering about a couple things.
1: Where did you get the hardware for the ZT, and is that pivot free spinning or fixed? I just ordered the 0562TI for $235 out the door on a first responder discount so it'll be a user. I had already bought an XM-18 Slippy Spanto working finish, but it was just too thin for me and had a bit of a centering problem so I sent it back today.
2: Do you know where I can find a good selection of 3.5" standard thickness and Fatty Gen 6 XM-18s other than DLT Trading? I want a Fatty Spanto or Wharncliffe like the one you reviewed, but just want to see some other options, if a Fatty Spanto even exists... It wouldn't be a user anyway so I'm not worried about blade geometry or thickness behind the edge. I have already sold four of my 10 knives to be able to get a Hinderer without cutting into my savings so I want to make sure I get one I really want.
Thanks, and I gotta say, I love the channel!
Hey bud did you get a response on that pivot question I’m wondering the same thing myself ,if it’s fixed or free spinning on the ZT
@@adrianduga5612 The pivot is free spinning on the 0562. You can get that style of titanium hardware from MXG Gear if you're looking for a set.
@@cadencramer2747, thanks! I just got two 0562CF blades one new and the other only carried for a few weeks.
The pivot screw is a weakness of the knife. Also, the carbon fiber is slippery so, I have tentatively added a small square of grip tape.
I will soon order some custom hand-formed Micarta scales for both from SUINGAP in the UK for $68 each with a two week lead time.
I have the 0562 in g10 and elmax. I'd rate it higher than the pm2 and the grip.
I think what was missed that should have been mentioned is that an EDC should be very reliable and ready for almost anything. Reliability usually goes hand-in-hand with simplicity and I think that's where the PM2 excels. The compression lock is a very simple in design and probably the most reliable of the three (nothing to break, nothing to get gummed up). The G10 scales are visually simple (being flat) but are very useful because they grip like Velcro. The blade is also the most impressive to me. While it's not the biggest with the longest cutting edge, it just excels at what it's designed for. It's just about a perfect shape. You could almost do surgery with it. That's why the PM2 is my favorite.
I have a DLC with black G10 PM2 and love it. I also have a drop-point 20CV Griptilian with grey/blue G10 scales and a Griptilian from their custom shop (DLC sheep's foot S90V with carbon fiber scales). I had a regular S30V Griptilian with the FRN scales but returned it for the 20CV/G10 version because it felt so cheap. The Griptilian's scales feel good in the hand but the entire PM2 just feel right. It's lighter and I like the minimalistic design. Oh, I also have a VG-10 Spyderco Police with custom-engraved overlays on the scales that's just too big and heavy to carry around. It's something that I asked my dad to make so I can hand it down to my son someday.
Spyderco's don't have a sharpening choil.Come on Spyderco !
PM2 is always my first choice. it's perfection
Oh yeah, no doubt. My favorite PM2 (also my first PM2) was the digi-camo G-10, black dlc coated S30V version, with a black oxide lynch northwest deep carry ti clip... would love to see a coated Maxamet Version
I regret selling my 0562cf... i loved the deep carry clip it had. I have the cpm20cv and 154cm in the benchmade grip and i love the g10 cpm20cv better then the 154cm... pm2 i sold and saved up for a pm3 in cpm cruwear and i love the pm3 now lol
I prefer the PM3 over the PM2 also!
While sitting I dropped my Paramilitary 2 onto my lap when closing it with one handed pinch, it fell point first sticking into my opposite wrist joint and stuck! Funny thing was I just got it in the mail about a half hour prior! I learned the hard way...the blood, oh the blood.
Oh god. That's terrible.
@@metal_complex I guess it could've been worse...it could've poked me in the no no. ha ha.
Wish the Zt0562 had a lanyard hole
You can attach a lanyard around the clip post. You can even remove it to attach it really tighten and then reinstall it.
ZT all day
Yes but you have to spend alot of money
I have the same problem with PM 2.Kind of narrow.
Trying to find that satin pocket clip for the 0562ti but my Google-Fu is lacking. I would love some direction! Just ordered mine. :)
You should try a mac tools R.B.R.T torx bit. Or gripedge rpt. (Same thing). It doesnt round screws and it will remove up to 85 percent rounded screws. They work great. Their expensive but you can buy the individual bits and just get t6, 8 and maybe a 10.
Staring at those 3 knives i can't help but like the pm2 in digi the best man. Looks bad ass👍
Hi there Mr Complex🙄. Pop quiz from an idiot- Now that after market titanium scales are coming out for the ZT 0562, if you modified a g10 0562 with the ti, would there be any difference between that modified knife and the ZT sold titanium version- structurally I mean? I have never done any mods yet, and tbh I guess I'm a little intimidated by the idea. I suppose it is just a case of practise. Maybe you could go through how to modify knives for idiots, and maybe mods that aren't usually seen. I love my Yojimbo 2 as is, but it would be interesting to watch one of those being overhauled. Still loving your content- keep rolling 'em out;)
Interesting question. I dont believe so. I would imagine it would be a lot like swapping the g10 scale and liner on an xm 18 with a titanium scale. I would guess they're machined the same. Would be interesting to find out!
Either way you look at it. Your not going to go wrong with either knife and will last you for a long time.
imo the griptillian and pm2 don’t come close to the 0562.
Where did you get the pivot screw for the ZT0562???
I like that!
Glad I’ve got all 3. Great video, thanks
Heat up your locktite with a hairdryer and the screws come right out
Mentioning the Jonimbo 2, was it you who found some differently coloured screws for yours? If so, could you let me know where you got them- and which companies have s great reputation for after market hardware? Thank you so much, James
I'm not sure who makes them, but I sae them on ebay after searching "Spyderco titanium screws"
@@metal_complex thanks for the tip- I will give it a try👍
Did you see that Benchmade is switching the griptilian blade steel from 154cm to S30v?
I didn't! Thats awesome! Any idea on the price?
It’s the same price! They are on Blade HQ right now both the full size and mini. The only other thing that changed is they removed the hollow grind.
Wow. Thats awesome! Wish I would have known that before I did this video. Oh well. Thanks for the info!
Np, still a great vid👍
I like knives but my main Hobby is Mountain biking and Taiwan make the best frames in the world so I assume their knives are pretty good .
I’m not sure they make the very best frames but I don’t so much as flinch if someone asks me about quality bicycle frame and Taiwan.
I’m sure they do a good job making blades, too. I see no reason why they cannot/do not.
Watched all the way through, I’ve never owned a ZT normally due to price, but the Grip is my personal favorite knife that I use, and I am not a big fan of the aesthetics of spydercos in general. Awesome vid guy thanks!
However I will have to add a Manix to the collection lol
You have to get a ZT bro at least once....
You're right about the pre-workout shakes.
Never been a fan of the Grip, can appreciate it, but not my style.
You should test the hogue version of the Ritter grip some proceeds go to Doug Ritter to boot for knife Rights
Adding the 'Tri-Ad-Lock' and the four better lock systems are presented.
A place called G.I. Depot in my town sells Spyderco and Benchmade but not ZT. And a hardware/knife store sells Benchmade, Spyderco and ZT, plus many more highish end knife brands, and they even have some custom Benchmades with Damascus and other exotic materials for over $1k and it's like 4 blocks from my house so that feeling doesn't hold true for me. Hell Bass Pro Shops sells all 3 of these brands as well.
Nice knives, I'm looking to buy one of these three knives.
I d never seen that handle on a grip before! I like it tho!!
Doug Ritter with g10 scales is being made by hogue knives RSK G2 I believe.
I had heard that! Forgot who was making it. Thanks for the info!
Maybe we can have a discussion about it. Love your channel. But it really makes me wonder????
So - I too am a big fan of USA made knives & tools & here's how I look at it these days-- I have owned many Reate, We, Kizer & they are fantastic knives, very well made for the most part. Even Kevin John builds one of the best production knives that can be bought- no question. The point is: I was shocked at the quality. Here's the deal- I just dont feel as good about carrying those knives for whatever reason. Im in the process of gathering up a bunch to sell, & 95% are high end Chinese (great knivrs, but dont see pocket time) I think Im just over it. If you start getting into overseas knives, this may happen to you down the road as well. In the end-- for me -- it was a big waste of cash. & thats another thing, they really dont hold their value as well as a domestic built knife. That being said, there are some great deals to be had on the 2ndary market. BTW-- Reate blows every other Chinese knife outta the water by a long way. They build a fantastic product. Really.
Awesome comment. I'll definitely keep this in mind as I venture down this road!
@@metal_complex --- one of my favorite knives is the Reate k3. I have it for sale, BHQ has it for sale (on line only) for 398 carbon fiber, 6al4v ti, dual row ceramic, cts204p. Its in perfect like new condition & the action is better than any knife Ive ever owned. Im trying to get 285 for it. If your intrested, shoot me an e-mai. frankrice323@gmail.com. ----- I'll send some pics n stuff. Thanks man, love the channel.
Thanks for comparison ! The PM2 is legendary in its slicing ability and easy of carry...as is the Benchmade. The ZT is two heavy and thick to consider as a good all around edc blade. The newer 0609 and 0470 would be a better choice to compare to the Spidie and BM.
Thanks you two. Great job on the video!
A very nice group there, and some of the best offerings from the U.S.A.
When you get a chance. Check out Doug Ritter's new RSK MK1-G2 (Generation 2) knife. Made by Hogue knives. You'll find it at Knifeworks. It could be considered knife of the year? I know I love mine. They're struggling to get the first 300-500 out the door, but it was well worth the wait, for me.
👍🔪🍺😎
Definitely on my radar! Thanks!
Finger choil, is for people that don't understand knives and in the same time use knives in a wrong uncomfortable and unsafe way. On the other hand, sharpening choil is for people who understand knives. Just my opinion.
im canadian so i appreciate USA made products. enough said...
Spyderco just doesnt do it for me. My opinions: they're ugly as sin, wont replace a broken blade even if ya pay em, no sharpening choils, im not dexterous enough to be able to use the compression lock, ball bearing lock is stiff, fake carbon fiber, delicate tips etc. Zt all the way
Austin Gollaher maybe so on the spyderco...but zt locking mechanism fails quite often
@@jordangoggin1320
Here's a Cold Steel test of a ZT 300 ruclips.net/video/sIPmwS3N9q4/видео.html
Here's a Cold Steel test of a Spyderco PM2
ruclips.net/video/6eFuENF5c08/видео.html
PM2 failed at 1 swing, 30lbs and somewhere under 135lbs hang weight
ZT did not fail at 5 swings, 30lbs and at 270lbs hang weight.
Make of it what you will
I stayed til the end! ZT, btw.
I think you should not “get over it”. Buy American made and stop apologizing for it. Also, great review brother!
You should probably go to japan and see some real masters of knife making you might change your mind in buying things other than USA
Ya? Like who?
@@metal_complex I don't know his name lol I was just walking around Tokyo and found an amazing knife shop and a couple in Osaka
@@metal_complex check out Dew Hara Mina
Actually, I was kind of joking around. This is an old video. I have since come around to knives from all over. But, for your own information, "real" knife makers are not exclusive to Japan. The fact is, quality hand made or production knives can be found on all corners if the planet if you know what you're looking for. I've handled quite a few in my 800+ uploads 👍
@@metal_complex yeah I enjoy knives from all over the world that's why I find it funny when someone says they will only get American made or Japanese made because if you do that you're missing out
You dont have a home for your review?
Old video. I review in my home studio now. Check out my channel 👍
ZT is sooo heavy, literally weighs my pants pocket down. Also the tip down sucks as well. I’m about to pull the trigger on a PM2 next for the lightweight. PM2 is probably the best carry option. ZT is a work knife, not a carry.
We all are guilty as knife people have used or done things wit our knives that we should not be doin at all. And knowing that a knife that's over $200 should not lock fail. I have a cheap ass Gerber that will not have lock failure and it also a frame lock like Z.T. So why would any Z.T have lock failure? Please explain it to me cause that I do not understand????
Well if you plan to broaden your horizon, i'd go for a Reate
Perhaps, a Reate Horizon? ... lol.
@@metal_complex yeah, why not? I see what you did there, haha. But for a more "Hinder-er-er-ree" aesthetic, I'd go for the Reate New Torrent 👍😋
Lol! Thanks for the tip!
You make a valid case for all 3 but I choose the ZT.
Glad to hear. I love these 3 because there are so many GOOD reasons to choose any of them. The 0562 is an incredible knife!
Titanium frame locks are all show, no go... the PM2 tip is fatally thin... and the grip (frn) requires immediate modification thus voiding the warranty and forfeiting the "Butterfly tax"... Para3 for the win!
Thanks for video bud
That PM2 is currently around $200
I would rather buy a griptilian 4 times before I buy a cris sebenza I just can’t bring my self to pay all that money for a frame lock
Own all three, and the best by far is the 0562. Benchmade over all is terrible, they've got soft steel, horrible customer service compared to the others and shitty hardware. while Spyderco is a little better is still suffers from being just as week as the grip. ZT is built to take a beating and last forever, backed by a better warranty. I've broke a few Spydies and Benchmade but never a ZT
The Divine Protector Of Mangos plenty of videos showing the zt lock failing with ease
Watch Nero knives. You’ll change your mind
Old. This is old news bruh. Its 2020.
That zt is on bearings not bronze washers?
Correct.
Maybe I misunderstood. I thought you were saying the 0562 was on washers. I know the 0550 is washers but the 0562 is definitely on bearings.
Ya I wave my hands around a lot when I talk, so it was probably my fault.
Love the review though. I was actually comparing the three of these but I was able to snag the 0562 with elmax for 95 bucks so I went with that one.
Nice!
I own 4 benchmade knives and the omega springs have broke on all 4. Inside 1 year of owning. Maybe I'm the exception, but I doubt it.
do you typically open the axis lock from one side or both? i have a theory that one finger unlocking causes the spring to wear against the frame. no evidence here, just speculation.
never had a broken spring here
@@akhoundog907 i use both sides together i cant get it to drop shut with one finger its like it sticks, but I do fidget with my knives alot so I pretty much blame that but i have a bugout and a 940 and a super freek and habe broke them all the 940 twice! The first time semt it to BM but the 2nd i got replacement springs from ebay. The super freek is down as we speak.
ZERO TOLERANCE! ;)
Syderco paramilitary 2
150 for the basic pm2
This is a very old video
@@metal_complex right inflation i get it.
Don't worry about it. I can't buy a Taiwan spyder either
I try to buy American made knives. I threw away all of my Chinese made knives. Political reasons. They are really interfering with the Philippines. But Taiwan makes good stuff and I have a few of those still.
Sorry my problem but this is too long to hold my attention, but thanks for the effort.
It's alright. We knew once we hit 20 minutes it was already too long 😄
Glad i bought ZT FIRST