Metabolic Therapies in Practice: Cancer | Dr Matthew Phillips, Sarona Rameka, Dr Glen Davies | FOM22
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- Опубликовано: 30 дек 2022
- Sarona Rameka shares her incredibly challenging journey with cancer whilst Metabolic Neurologist, Dr Matthew Phillips, discusses the treatment process used in Sarona's case, at the Future of Medicine Conference 2022 in Auckland, New Zealand.
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Tena koe whaea, thank you for the story of your continuing journey. I'm on my own road of a cancer journey, doing surgery and Radioactive iodine treatments, just completed my 2nd surgery and so am looking for anything else I might do. I had dabbled in Keto about 8 years ago but really didn't treat it seriously, now is the time to take it seriously, thanks to you, Dr Matt and my listening to Dr Thomas Seyfried. Good luck to us all, kia ora
God is showing how his initials plan fasting help humans metal and physical. Thank u all God be praises
From South Africa
My favorite scripture.
Jer 29 ;11.
Your testimony is going to help someone .
Dr Seyfried is the obvious guru but also Dr jason fung who is the guru that explains fasting and his new book Cancer Code endorses Dr Fried explanation of cancer as a process of Fermentation & not a genetic disease. Great blessings and good luck to Prekure and thank fully far away from the west. Please focus and help south asians and let them become your main customers.
Without knowing any of this, 4 years ago, I had some CTs that were monitoring my lung nodules. On the third one they had shrunk. I had done a diet …. No sugar, bread, etc because I was afraid the doctor was going to tell me I was a diabetic like my father. And after I did my blood work, which was good, they did the last CT. It showed the nodules shrank. I thought it was strange. And thought it must have been tied to my diet. They were originally 3 mm and then became 2.7 mm. Then they quit watching them…. And I reverted back to my old ways….. and now the nodule is 7mm. Time to get back to eating like what he is suggesting. I also was diagnosed with breast cancer stage 1 about 4 weeks ago. I should have stuck with what I had been doing!
You can beat this.
@@andreadamascceno2139 thank you
All the best to you, and hope that the metabolic approach works for you! When you said you "no sugar, bread, etc"...what was the "etc" part, did you just not have refined carbs or things with white flour, or were the other specific things you avoided? I'm asking because I'd like to follow a restricted metabolic conscious diet too and would like to learn from what apparently was working for you. Again, all the best to you!
@@doubled6595 I avoid all processed foods…. Even meats. No sugar, tortillas, bread (except real bread made from fresh ground whole wheat flour - using my mill), chips…. All the processed junk. No breakfast bars, no pasta, no sweets of any kind except some berries and a limited amount (1/4 to 1/2 c), no veg oils, no cereal, some but not much rice, potatoes, cheeses/dairy…… I do eat meats (size of my palm), omega 3 fish, clean organic veggies and some fruit (small amt) Mainly broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, salads, carrots, nuts (handful) beans, sprouts, And I walk a lot…. About 8 miles per day. I only eat a lunch and supper with them fairly close together. If i’m hungry, I eat, if not I don’t. I feel 100 percent better! And the bad thing is I had cancer this summer so it made me get started on a better path. It truly did make me feel better. I also drink turkey tail mushroom tea, take turmeric (w black pepper and small spoon evoo), and eat a lot of garlic.
@@sheila7814how are you now ?
Even before watching this, I have been saying for over a year now, if I ever get a cancer diagnosis, the first thing I will do is go home and do a long fast. This has confirmed my decision. That said, eating a whole food, low carb diet with some intermittent fasting, I hope I am doing enough to never get that diagnosis.
Dr. Phillips, I live in British Columbia, next door to indigenous lands, and unfortunately can verify that most of our indigenous peoples no longer eat anything close to a natural ketogenic diet. The high incidence of metabolic diseases among them speak to that.
I wish Seronoa all the best.
I’ve been under thirty , I’m sure I’m in ketosis but is that low enough for metabolic intervention?
Reduce carbs to zero,0,nothing. They only do harm. No vegetables no fruit, only meat. Search for Dr. Thomas Seyfriend.
@@missblack8810 If you are talking about metabolic intervention for the reduction of cancer, Dr. Phillips says the strength lies in the fasting, not the ketogenic diet.
@@reinerschafer1708 I am very aware I have been doing extensive reasearch I do prolonged fasting I’ve worked myself up to 5 days any research I have came across combined both the logic is that the keto somewhat let’s say starves the cancer which makes the cells week when combined with fasting it leaves the cells defenseless from autophagy which Is activated through prolonged fasting. I actually have the same cancer diagnosis , I read all about this case on pub med and other medical journals I used her study to initiate my own protocol , a friend of mine sent me this so it was cool to see the faces of these people who are so influential in my healing. I have been stable for the last 3 months, and working up to 7 day fast. It’s hard. And you are correct Almost all alternative treatment and or providers prescribe prolonged fasting this is a must.
Why would you wait -- why don't you fast to be preventive?
Bless you both. Your presentation, Dr., is brilliant. I have been fasting (intermittent and extended) for 4 1/2 years. The experiences are also Spiritual. Thank you, Innate Intelligence.
Thanks so much Joseph...I hope we can show a real benefit for people with GBM in our ongoing trial, let's see. Very best, Matt.
Professor Thomas Seyfried from Boston Collage agress with you after 40 yrs of studing cancer you should contact him.
🥑🥥🤤😋🍧🍩🍧🚫
Thanks Rob! Been in touch with Thomas for quite some time now. He's certainly been involved in this for a very long time, huge respect. Regards, Matt.
I'm stage 4 breast cancer. Just broke my neck. Given little hope.
I'm 43, single mom of 2. I'm desperately searching for a dr or clinic to help me through trying this approach. Any suggestions? Are YOU taking new patients Dr Matthew?
I'm living in Florida, USA
@@lauradiphlipo9332i can write you what I put my mom on. She is also stage 4 breast cancer with lung metastasis. Unfortunately she has to follow the treatment with chemotherapy but I help her with diet meat, eggs, avocado, fish these 3 are the main things she is allowed to eat. She is allowed to eat 2 times a week broccoli 1 time a week beans, rice, potato we still working on going full keto but she is also type 2 diabetic with insulin so I have to be careful. She takes supplement like every second day 3mg boron, vitamin D3 2000 units, N acetyl cysteine 500mg, zinc daily. Her lab works are better every time. She had 3 round of chemo and the 3 labs are showing the difference. Yesterday she told me that she observed that the redness is fading and the swollen part of her breast is also softer. It's a small step but for us it means a lot. She is not allowed fruits and sugars and minimum carbs. Her main source of energy is from meat and eggs.
@@lauradiphlipo9332I'm praying for you
For me keto and immunotherapy combined to get rid of my cancer.
Very interesting Mary, thank you! Matt.
How are you now ?
@@gsh_0121 good!!
If you can at all help it don't take antibiotics. My husband, carnivore diet almost 3 years, 73, had them. He had been doing really well but the antibiotics raised his blood sugar and lowered his immunity. He then had his first cutaneous squamous carcinoma. Proving hard to get on top of. Now making sure he is ketogenic and keeping a strict diet.
DR
Matthew all the best in your research.
Well presented.
From South Africa
You’re testimony is inspiring and motivating. Thank you forever🌺Leilani 12:18
Another brilliant lecture. Thank you, Dr. Phillips.
Most welcome, thanks for the nice feedback Nyckolaus. Matt.
Que maravilloso estudio, estoy ansiosa de saber los resultados de su nuevo estudio en GBM !
Gracias Dr. por hacer y compartir sus estudios
Y gracias a Sirona por compartir su testimonio, Dios le de larga vida !
Sinceramente gracias, el nuevo estudio va bien, vamos a ver qué pasa. Saludos cordiales...Mateo.
Mitochondria abnormalities make sense to me. I have had mucosal melanoma, which has very few mutations but is very hard to treat compared to cutaneous melanoma.
Thank you Mary, hope all is going well for you now. Matt.
Its awesome that Sarona has been able to keep this cancer at bay and may one day win completely using her own body and food to fight it. Can someone with late stage liver disease use Keto and fasting to restore or at least help out the liver? NAC is supposed to be great for liver and lungs can you confirm this.
Read some of Professor Thomas Seyfried from Boston college...he is at the forefront on this issue. His book "Cancer is a Metabolic Disease" spells it all out . Also in the last couple months some excellent interview on you tube! He's so invested in this subject literally decades . Great integrity and a lovely sense of humor. You are what you eat. All his work is opened to anyone that wants to take the time to look. Good health to all the most divine gift of all!
@Donna Riggs I have been checking out his videos on cancer, no mention of any other benefits of the body with the keto diet. I'll look into his work further. Thanks for the reply.
@@mikerolla5601 The Professor is awesome. I contacted him about 2 months ago via email...he called me personally...great sense of humor wrapped in a wonderful mind!
I think it's more about high fat low carb and sugarfree diet. Intermittent fasting. The point to get the cancer to feed back onto itself. Keto is really hard, everyone like a goodie here and there...
His papers are scientific but a layperson such as me was able to read them and grasp the concept. Remember not one thing will work for every one...but in combination with new treatments there's certainly more good out comes then prior..
I am grateful I have an oncologist that works with me and for me instead of just going by the book. All the best to you and your health.... If I can help any more please just say...just another cancer patient searching in the dark for some light...the Professor has help light the way! Blessings
Hi Mike, sorry to hear you may know of someone with late stage liver disease (cancer I presume). Given the weak state of evidence in metabolic therapies, we do not know the extent to which these appraoches may or may not help in any advanced cancers. We are working with a very intensive metabolic therapy program in GBM to try and change that, but it takes time unfortunately. Yes there is some evidence for NAC having benefits, however there are literally dozens of compounds that also have weak evidence behind them. At the end od the day we need more definitive clinical evidence and that is our focus now. Best, Matt.
@Matthew CL Phillips Thank you for the response, much appreciated.
Thomas Seyfried has also suggested to use don to target glutamine along with ketosis. This will starve cancer of both fuels i.e. glucose and glutamine.
Hello Abhishek, yes that's right. Adding in glutamine targeting may work even better. At the moment I am focusing on the more traditional metabolic therapies to see how they pan out, if we need to do more in future (ie add in glutamine blockers) I am open to that, let's see how we go. Thanks again, Matt.
I found some more information on this .. Yeah. this 'DON' drug does block glutamine, but perhaps too well; other parts of your body really need this to work. So it really does sound risky; not something to easily be added. (There are other options or other approaches too)
@@H4KnSL4K Yeah, he (Thomas Seyfried) has also added that if the person is not in the proper GKI (Glucose Ketone Index) range then it backfires. That is why he suggests to get around a healthy GKI (have forgot the exact number he mentioned) using fasting and low carb food and only then the side effects of DON is reduced. Its just like chemo but most of the chemo drugs target certain genes and leave the rest untouched. The good part of DON is that it targets glutamine which is a fuel, not a gene.
@@AbhishekPrasad-lc9jl Interesting; Thanks for the clarification! I will have to find that information again.
@@AbhishekPrasad-lc9jl He says GKI should be around 1
Dr Matthew
Thank you
Another dr said there is power in Fasting.
Although effective, keep in mind that many of those who use Metabolic approaches will have good insurance, financially well-to-do, or both. In the context of "Never try anything without the guidance of medical professionals," there are many who can't locate such professionals, due to insurance or out of pocket expeneses. Waiting to locate such persons can take months, due to the many people who are affraid to mention names, which happened recently this week when communicating with a medical professional, who mentioned various doctors and surgeons. But when asked for their contact information, they would never provide the contact information.
Excelente informação. Gratidão imensa
Re: Sarona's time in ICU prior to the great results. Did that involve a fever? Could the greatly enhanced activation the immune system be a factor in the great results? I read recently about a pattern on spontaneous remissions following cases of fever; also re: "Coley's Toxins"
Wonderful news.
Interested, but couldn't get past the gingerbread man comment which was inaudible. What a way to run a conference!
I agree. A foolish way to start the video. People's time is valuable, IMHO. Even us mere RUclips watchers. Video could have been edited better.
C'mon you grumpsters
There are many kinds of "keto" diets, getting the fats saturates or MUFA or PUFA, it is not the same at all! Also most keto use a lot of green veggies , avocados, high fiber for gut microbiome, etc but a few people eat a keto with saturate fats, and almost no vegetables at all. No the same and is very important to say exactly what was eating or not.
Thank you, I agree they are not quite the same - but since we focus on keto diets and fasting as methods for getting people into ketosis, in my view how one gets there is not as important. I think there are merits to plant-based keto diets, but I also think there are merits to carnivore keto diets, I've seen both work well. That is just my experience, and I am always open to new ideas. Best wishes, Matt.
The important part of the keto diet is the elevated ketones and reduced glucose. How you get there, whether that's with meat, vegetables, or something else, doesn't matter as much. Cancer cells live on glucose and glutamine. The beauty of ketones is that cancer cells can't utilize them but most of your normal healthy cells can.
Dr Matt; my personal opinion is the radiation and possibly chemo is promoting tissue destruction plus with radiation is jellifying the brain and producing more cancer production and survival. Our standard of care for cancer patients needs radical revision. One particular pathway for feeding the cancer is the keytonic pathway of glucomine pathway treatable by the chemical Don. The possible reason for her continued cancer presence.
I agree! It’s poison
Hi Paublus, thank you - I agree, targeting glutamine might be ideal too. And it is definitely contentious whether we shoud be using radiation/chemotherapy in cancer. We really need more research to know the answers to these questions, so I am focusing on that right now, and let's see how things go. Kind regards, Matt.
I think it boils down to a difference in approach. The chemo and radiation approach is to kill cells; The cancer cells most of all, though there is collateral damage. A naturopathic style approach (where I think this metabolic approach fits) is to heal / strengthen the body, so that our well-designed immune system can expertly and correctly repair or remove (via apoptosis and autophagy) the broken/problematic cancer cells, while leaving all the other good body cells safe.
This is an excellent study, thank you so much! I absolutely believe that cancer is
Can you also discuss immunotherapy + your fasting /intermittent fasting program.
Seems to me I made my body inefficient, which allowed the misprint on the mitochondria.
Thx.
Cheers Bridget - we relied on metabolic therapies (fasting and keto diet) with Sarona, as well as with the current GBM trial. We do not use immunotherapies directly. That said, there is evidence the metabolic therapies augment immune function, this may well have played into Sarona's result (fasting-triggered enhancement in immune functino). We have much to learn about metabolic therapies, and about cancer. Kind regards, Matt.
@@drmclphillips You can learn a lot about metabolic therapies from youtube! Ha, though I think you mean through formal studies. I hope you can do lots more on this - and thanks so much for what you've already done.
What do you guys think of fenbendazole or menbendazole?? ivermectin??
Following. I'm curious about this too.
Also interested in this. Some are using these for parasite protocols. Very interesting stuff!
I tried adding fenben for a couple days; around the same time I felt a lot worse. I don't know for sure if it was due to the fenben .. I suppose trying it again would confirm whether it's the cause. At the same time, I don't know if feeling poorly meant that it was really bad for me, or if it was a side effect of the cancer cells dying... And I can't just get a test to confirm my cancer status
@@H4KnSL4K maybe it was detoxing..I was afraid to take it because it could mess with the liver.
What did she eat? I heard to avoid protein. So besides fats what would we want to eat?
She ate a strict keto diet - protein and fat. She did not avoid protein, plenty of meat. Cheers, Matt.
Why couldn't they take it out when it was so small?
Hi Paul - it was only diagnosed when it was already too large to resect. So surgery was not an option. Matt.
Did you also eliminate seed oils and all plant oils from from your diet?
Hi Dee, yes we try to eliminate all seed oils in our plans. We focus on extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil, butter, coconut cream, dairy cream (the last for those who are tolerant of dairy, some are not). Sincere regards, Matt.
It's very hard to be sure if the olive oil is actually olive. It may be mixed with many other things. Avocado oil has a bit of a different color and, taste that may make it easier to identify.
What exactly did she eat??
Thank you 🙏 hope in Christ
Hope in Keto ♥️🙏🙌🏼
My father has Mesothelioma Lung Cancer from asbestos exposure, do you think this therapy would work for him considering it's the foreign body fibres from aspestos that are in his lung causing the cancer?
I had huge asbestos exposure as a child. Now 70 yo. A CT scan in Feb found a mass in my right lung. I had started a carnivore diet 2 months previously to reduce excess weight. Meat, eggs and a little dairy and water. Absolutely no carbs. I also started 500mg fenbendazole daily. Going for another scan in 2 weeks. I have no side effects from fenben and I feel fine. Doctor on 3rd May doesn’t think I have meso but will know after the next scan. Regardless, I will continue strict carnivore diet and fenben until then.
Let us know about your test in few days, I have similar problem and I’m also taking Fenben 222 per day and I’m carnivore, I will pray for your good results next week, God bless you, I’m sure everything will be fine but please let us know
What about glutamine?
Good point, we did not target glutamine specifically (ie with DON or some other drug). However, the extended fasting probably does lower glutamine levels to some extent. Kind Regards, Matt.
This makes me wonder if the chemo causes an automatic keto diet when the poison in the chemo causes nausea vomiting and weight loss!! Very interesting
Hi Sherry, an intriguing notion, I believe Thomas Seyfried has postulated that as well. Take care, Matt.
@@drmclphillips omg really??? It makes a very interesting question to ponder for sure
In Sydney Australia, does anyone do metabolic therapy for cancer and experienced in it?
If you find one let me know. I'm in syd too
Hi. The Sydney Low Carb Specialists clinic is experienced in cancer, check them out. Best, Matt.
I too have met thymoma I read about this in pub med!!! Amazing! How many carbs were included in her keto diet??? And when did you begin to see results? Are you doing anymore studies I would definitely be ready and willing participant!!
If you stay below 20gm per day you should be ketogenic in a few days. It’s completely obvious shortly thereafter. Be strict about it if you really want to see what it can do.
Why have any carbs. They are totally unnecessary. I’m surprised she was taking any. It’s still sugar.
@@graememudie7921 well you actually have to have some carbs or else your brain cannot function. This is why diabetics with low blood sugar I think type 1 are sick . Carb doesn’t nessesarely mean bread , pasta, rice and potatoes. I’m assuming because I also live a keto lifestyle that the majority of her carbs are derived from vegetables. Almost all foods even the most healthy carry carbs. So it is almost impossible to have zero carbs.
@@graememudie7921 also not all carbs are converted to sugar.That’s where net carbs come in.
@@missblack8810 All carbs are converted to sugar in the liver, ALL Carbs.
There are patients have good results doing chemo with keto or carnivore diet. They do 3 day fasts prior to chemo. They have no side effects with chemo when they are fasted before and after.
There's no money in fasting , so sadly, most will die. This borders on criminal.
Hi Frankie, yup, definitely not much (if any) money to be made in fasting. So money can't be the prime motivator if one is interested in these approaches. Sincerely, Matt.
I think the response, she got was secondary to IVIG. we use immunotherapy on these cancers
Hi, I wondered about that too initially - however, we tried several months of high-dose IVIG later on, and it did nothing to the tumour, so this would argue against it being a factor. Best, Matt.
What is don
6-diazo-5-oxo-L-norleucine
A glutamine blocker
What antibiotic is DON? Doxycycline?
you can also take fenbendazol to block glutamine...
@@aledalella3967 it isn’t an antibiotic. It is a glutamine blocker and is 6-Diaz’s-5-oxo-L-norleucine. (Like Peter said above 😊)
Pete make phunny: Do you know what carnivores use pharmacies for? (Landmarks ;- )
Im surprised Dr. Thomas Seefried and his advocacy on metabolic treatment wasn’t mentioned. Research Dr. Thomas Seefried
Hi, thank you. Our approach was a variation of Dr Seyfried's pulse-press protocol but not the same as what he uses. He is definitely referenced in the original paper about Sarona's case. Cheers, Matt.
Doesn't work for Blood cancer... This works for , Glioblastoma, Ovarian and Breast.
Agree. We need more information for Leukemias and Lymphomas.
Hi Jesus, there is not a lot of evidence out there I agree, but still some evidence in lymphoma. Check out Dr Alan Goldhamer's publications on pubmed, he has had some success. Sincerely, Matt.
He is looking at something on the wall which we can’t see!
Just keto with fasting every to every other month? It worked to some extent, and the diet could most likely be optimized. Maybe even the fasting could be optimized, as if it's just about lowering blood sugar as much as possible, a strict only fat "fast" would be equivalent. Then no weight or minimal weight would be lost to support robust health when refeeding.
I like the story, but there's too little information on her exact protocol. And there's so much more to do -- just one simple thing would be oxygen therapy with just keto, not even fasting, which just obliterated 100% of tumors in a mouse study (100% survival after 100 days). But cancer is a broad term indeed, and scientists are trying to find commonalities between different cancer types. There's a lot of promising science on the horizon.
But from what we already have pretty good evidence for, we can do a combination treatment, which I suppose this is (fasting + keto), but this protocol if you can even call it that is too basic. There's just so much more that's natural and helps normal organ and cell functions along as well.
A bad keto diet could even make you deficient in minerals, vitamins or other important stuff that would get depleted in disease conditions, so a well-designed keto diet for cancer is important.
Thanks, some good points. What we did seemed to work well. Could it be optimized, quite possibly, but cost and accessibility were/are problems to adding extra options like hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Fasting and a good keto diet (done correctly) are both cost-friendly and accessible. I fully agree a good keto diet is important, fortunately designing one that covers all necessary minerals and vitamins is not so hard if one knows what to watch for. Kind Regards, Matt.
So what did she eat ?meat and fish and veggies??Eggs ??
I think they said mostly eggs and nutts and veggies some meat I think they didn’t really go into it much. Don’t quote me but I think you have to be careful because nutts except pistachios I think contain glutamine
It’s okay if you don’t have cancer the glutamine but should be avoided with cancer
@@missblack8810 Thanks .I try to do low carb but it's not easy.
@@mariejones7136 yes it is rough . I have the same cancer and stage as this women so I do 7 day water every 5-6 weeks and omad keto when I really need bread there are options with mostly fiber keto breads but I try not to because alittle carbs like bread make you want more . Even if you can’t reducing is great!
@@mariejones7136 if you don’t have illness
Your t shirt is too small
Pls doctor
Hi Sandra, it was a gift from a friend so some sentimental value, but you are right, it does not fit properly. :) Best, Matt.
Looked fine to me 😂