Why Scott Hahn Attends Traditional Latin Mass - Mass of the Ages LIVE Interview
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1:42 How did you discover the Traditional Latin Mass?
12:10 Attending Low Mass on Sundays
17:44 Experience with Opus Dei
23:55 Eucharistic Amazement
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28:35 Lex Orandi Lex Credendi
34:28 Were you already attending TLM when you wrote The Lamb's Supper?
36:30 If you're talking to someone that hasn’t gone to the Latin Mass what would you say to get them in the door?
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MASS OF THE AGES is a trilogy that explores the richness of the Traditional Latin Mass through stunning cinematography and inspiring stories. But it’s not just a beautiful. It’s also an investigation into the surprising events that led to the creation of the New Mass. MASS OF THE AGES will give you a deep appreciation for your Catholic faith.
Catholic faith shouldn’t feel ordinary. We feature the Mass like you’ve never seen it before, with insights from profound experts, and inspiring stories of traditional Catholics. The Mass of the Ages will surprise you.
Every Catholic knows about Vatican II, but very few know about what happened after Vatican II to construct the New Mass (the Novus Ordo). MASS OF THE AGES will reveal the surprising details about how the new Mass was created.
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Dr. Scott Hahn is the Fr. Michael Scanlan Professor of Biblical Theology and the New Evangelization at the Franciscan University of Steubenville.
He is the Founder and President of the St. Paul Center, an apostolate dedicated to teaching Catholics to read Scripture from the heart of the Church.
Dr. Hahn has been married to Kimberly for forty years. They have six kids and nineteen grandkids and two of their sons are currently in priestly formation with the Diocese of Steubenville.
The author and editor of over forty popular and academic books, Dr. Hahn’s works include best-selling titles Rome Sweet Home, The Lamb’s Supper, and Hail Holy Queen.
His most recent release is titled Hope to Die: The Christian Meaning of Death and the Resurrection of the Body. stpaulcenter.c...
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I'm a Evengelical Protestant looking into and studying Catholicism lately, and I LOVE listening to Dr. Hahn "Road to Emmaus" podcast, been to mass a few times, but can't be more excited to go experience the Latin Mass for the 1st time at NYC St. Patrick cathedral in October!
How was it, Joseph?
My priest returned the Communion rail and TLM. I find it extremely difficult to fight back the tears during the Liturgy.
I just let the tears fall! My Guardian Angel loves the TLM
That's beautiful news
When I went to my first TLM I cried all over, my children felt bad thinking that I felt bad... but it was crying for love
Im converting and I thought I was the only one crying at mass 😂 I love Jesus
God’s hand is on you
I never return to the NO after attending TLM. Life is better with traditional Catholic catechism, despite numerous challenges in life.
That's your choice and no one should think ill of you for your preference. But you should also understand that you live in one of the few places in this country where that option is available. The TLM is only available in a few locations in the country. Davao City, Cebu City, Bohol and Bacolod are the only places outside of Luzon. In those places the Mass is held in small side chapels. Not even the Cathedrals and Basilicas offer it. That leaves a huge portion of the Catholic population. Is it your belief that the majority are deprived of a valid and licit Mass?
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Congrats. But not just better. Catholic, unlike the NO. We need to understand it's not a matter of preference.
@@alexhaggard2945 When you have the title of Bishop, Cardinal or Pope in front of your name you get to decide those things in conjunction with your fellows in the Magisterium. . Otherwise you usurp authority not given to you by the Lord Jesus Christ and are no better than Protestant in Catholic finery.
@@mbugal Thanks for the reply but that is a distorted view of authority. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. No matter who says the NO is a Catholic form of worship does not make it so. It does not comport with Catholic doctrine and actually militants against it. Thus it is not Catholic and should be avoided if at all possible.
Authority has its limits and logic, reason, and Tradition are divinely imposed limits on the bishops and even the Pope. We are after all witness to a pope who apparently says God is pleased with Pachamama worshipers and those in other false faiths, there is no hell, the death penalty is immoral (got the huge majority of US bishops to vote in support of that heresy, btw), and he has spouted all sorts of other heresies in public and private. That he said such things does not make any of them true even though he can find plenty of bishops to agree with him. As Catholics, we must oppose heresies that are opposed to the Catholic faith no matter the source.
“If a Future Pope Teaches Anything Contrary to the Catholic Faith, Do Not Follow Him!” (Bl. Pope Pius IX)
Same! I would leave the NO Mass irritated with the clapping, hand-holding and irreverence. The TLM felt like coming home
In our community all churches are Novus Ordo. No TLM close by. I don’t really know why I’m so drawn by the Latin Mass and that’s by seeing them online! I’d like to attend it and maybe from now on!
Maybe you can try looking for a Byzantine Catholic Church. It is equally as beautiful as the latin mass.
Look up FSSP or ICKSP locations. There's also directories of Latin Masses but they aren't always up to date. Normally I'd say call your diocesan office and ask where there's one, and if not why not. Maybe you'll get someone sympathetic or you'll get the runaround. You can always ask the next diocese over from you as well
Make it happen. You won’t ever regret it and it will change your life! Sspx chapels are also an option if you can’t find others.
Great video! Just one comment: the way low masses are celebrated in anglo-saxon countries is not attractive (at least for me). Thank God, where I live they are always dialogued and the priest speaks loudly what has to be loud!
I wish we could get back to the latin mass in the entire church. The lack of reverence in the church today is extremely sad.
The lack of reverence is by design. That is why those who hate the Catholic Church hate the Latin mass, because it is Catholic and it is reverent.
The Novus Ordo in the rare instance can mimic reverence, but it will never be.
I agree with you!
The TLM more fully expresses Catholic belief and dogma. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. The TLM has such reverence and solemnity towards the Bless Sacrament. Is it no wonder that people are drawn to it? May the TLM grow, it can never be taken away from us. It is our inheritance.
Our priest put the communion rail back in. We can receive on the tongue at the communion rail. He also says the Mass with his back to us, and he got rid of all the extraordinary ministers. He now has only himself and the deacon or one acolyte to give out the Eucharist. Some people left our church but a lot of people have come because of how traditional he is. He has no problems speaking against abortion and same sex marriage, and talks about confession all the time. We are very blessed to have him for our Pastor.
I'm in Ireland. Sad to say that if a parish priest brought about such changes he would be hanged by popular and local opinion. He would be reported to his bishop and he might even get a negative mention in the papers - people here have a habit of reporting priests to the media when they are 'too' Catholic. For the sake of 'unity' he would be ordered to return to the status quo. Still, it is good to hear that you have access to reverence where you are from. God bless your priest. Long may it continue and may it spread. Thank you for sharing some good news on this issue. Hopefully such attitudes towards the liturgy will spread to Ireland some day!
Wow where is this at?
Rockwood, MI
Edwin, I just can’t believe that people would report your priest. That is so very sad. What happened to Ireland, they once were very Catholic. We have many churches in the US too where Mass sure is not what it use to be. I was brought up when we only had the Latin Mass, then things changed. However, I was able to find our parish with such a wonderful very holy and traditional priest. Even during the lockdown with the virus he never shut our church down, you could go in everyday for adoration. Also he said his own Mass everyday silently and you could go in the church when he was saying Mass. He heard confessions all during the lock down. You would be shocked how many people would be in line for confession. I pray they don’t move him somewhere else. I will pray for you and your parish.
Blessed indeed!
TLM is easy, get a missal, sit in the back & observe. Within a short time the mystery & majesty if this mass will transform your heart & soul.
You will, in time learn the Latin. It takes awhile. If I have to attend, which is rare the NO I end up thinking the words in Latin. If I go to NO it is because the roads are bad and don't want to risk the ice. ( I travel 63 miles in one direction for the TLM.) I know I have to make my Sunday observance, but going to NO is very upsetting to me.
It's so true
SO TRUE! SO TRUE! IT IS THE MASS! The new mass is so protestanized from the Liturgy to the physical structures, and parishioners walking all over the Holy Altar, touching Holy of Holies. KYRIE ELEISON!
TLM is like a shot of bourbon, a glass of fine red wine, a glorious sunset… “sacred mysteries” made “more real”.
Dr. Hahn was the instrument God used to keep me Catholic in my college years and beyond. Like him, I’ve found a love for the Latin Mass.
Dr Hahn Jeff Cavins and Steve Ray kept me from leaving in the 80s.
The Latin Mass is so beautiful. In trying to describe my experience of it, I have realized that I feel safe. I feel protected by the Majesty of God.
I'm always so uplifted when I hear Scott Hahn! I'm considering making a trek to attend my first (42 years old) Latin Mass. Excited!
Checking back in: did you make it to a Latin Mass? Praying for you!
Do it while you can. You will see into heaven.
I find every sentence Dr. Hahn speaks to be full of meaning. Read "Hail Holy Queen" on my way back in to the Church back in the day. Thank you, Dr. Hahn.
Hope Dr Hahn writes a book on the TLM soon!
We attend an FSSP parish an hour from my house but my children attend a Catholic school 20 minutes in the opposite direction. We chose that school because they start every day with a Mass. It is Novus Ordo but it is ad orientum, in Latin and has communion only at an alter rail.
Former Presbyterian here, and in love with the Latin Mass, the Mass of the Angels! Everything about it feels just right.
Welcome home sister.
Wow, glory to God! Welcome Kristen!
There's that imminent word "feel" again, the subjective determinant of what is true. The Church ever since Vatican II discerns everything according to immanence. What ever happened to objective reality?
It feels right because it is right. I understand your sentiment, even though our feelings aren’t what dictates what is true. If someone is truly seeking God in an honest manner, the mass of the ages will speak to their soul.
Preference for the New World order sect means there’s something wrong.
@@keepers... Do you really want to go there? Because if we're talking objective reality, the traditional Latin Rite blows it out of the water.
But I can say that, because I intend to Novus Ordo.
I will be 80 years young in December this year. I grew up with the Latin Mass. This year I went back to the Latin Mass and I have a joy that is so great it hard to explain. When I go to a non Latin Mass I feel sorry for all the people have not experienced the Latin Mass. I pray for a larger than life entrance of more people to the Latin Mass. 🙏💕🕊
I have a question if you don't mind. Before the Vatican 2 fiasco, was the Latin mass under attack? I have talked to a couple older folks and they said they didn't care for it when they were younger. Being a young adult going to TLM for the first time, that astounds me as it is so beautiful and reverent. Maybe back then the priests didn't treat it with reverence? IDK just wanted to get your thoughts
@@mathieuconklin3146 You have an honest question. The Mass had become simply ritual without the heart of our Lord, at least in the region I lived in. Attending Mass for the Eucharist in all practical purposes appeared to be less important than the "theatrics" (I know every movement and word has meaning) of the priest speaking a language no one knew. But, priests did often rushed through it and often mumbled. High Mass was once on a Sunday with a "Low Mass" about 2-3 times - and all before noon: no Saturday evening and no Sunday evening. It was a very different time so people didn't simply go to another parish and church shop, and there was no televised Mass. Some people likely became discouraged or angry, attended out of habit, and over time with families to raise slipped away to a church service somewhere else that was understandable and appeared at least to be a loving worship of the Lord, not the ritual and not a "spectator sport" as an older friend in her 90s recently told us at a meeting.. Everyone has memories, and that was her very sad memory! I think improvements were necessary, and then because we are all fallen human creatures problems with the Mass in English happened too. Sometimes a correction is necessary because the Church is alive, and then a correction of the correction is needed. But God is with us today. He is alive with us today. Yesterday is in the past. Hearing and reading any Catholic say s/he feels sorry for any Catholic attending the Mass in English is to me judgmental and unnecessary. On the other hand, it is mild compared to some of the hateful things I've read. and heard recently So, just my lived opinion as I try to understand a division among a holier than though group that doesn't appear to believe that God is in charge and must have an overarching purpose and lesson we are all supposed to learn. Be well.
@@Lucylou7070 yes, some never liked the Latin mass and attendance after a certain age wasn't great. They made changes because of that. Maybe it went a little too crazy in some areas but that is the bishop's fault. I love our regular non Latin mass and respect those who like the Latin. It isn't a competition. Everyone says it isn't but it is.
It’s like getting back to good craft beer. We had bland beer for decades so our taste buds have been conditioned for blandness so when people start trying good old craft beer (real beer) they aren’t ready for that awesomeness & it takes time to reestablish ones taste buds to the point where having the bland is just revolting to ones tastes
I remember the Mass before Vatican II, it was anything but meaningful worship, most of those who maintain a ridiculous romantic view of it never saw it at work among people who overwhelmingly don't understand Latin and who never will. People who hate the vernacular mass are political hacks, not people of faith.
@@jared5329 How old are you? Do you remember the period when the Latin mass with the priest turning his back on The People and probably fewer than 1% of those there understanding the words? It was an atrocity, when Jesus spoke to people he used language that they could understand, not a language they couldn't. I'll answer more when you honestly tell me how old you are.
@@jared5329 So you're not old enough to remember the days before the vernacular mass when the mass was always in Latin and almost no one understood most of what was said, a few of the most common responses, perhaps excepted though I'll bet you plenty of Catholics didn't even understand those. The Latin mass was fine if you understood Latin as I'll bet fewer than 5% of Catholics did.
Why pretend that the mass that your list of people of the past was the "original" mass? The history of the Catholic liturgy didn't begin in Latin, one of the reasons the Kyrie was said in Greek. Though I remember that was news to many Catholics who thought it was in Latin.
You aren't interested in Christian worship, you're into dress up and let's pretend we're living in the Middle ages (when the mass would have been quite different from what you mean by the "Latin mass") or the Renaissance or the Baroque Church or the 19th century or the disgustingly phony Neo-medievalism that came in with Pius X and, thank God, died with Pius XII. You guys are right wing hacks who hate the Gospel and don't want people to know what is being said in Catholic worship. I'll bet most of you wouldn't know your ablative from your elbow.
@@jared5329 Oh, give me a break. More vitriolic than the Latin Mass fetishists and their hierarchical hacks? I'll bet easily 90% of you guys were Trump supporters and vote for Republicans for other offices who are more in line with the most decadent of Roman emperors who martyred early Christians while being white-hot white supremacists, haters of LGBTQ people, misogynists (rampant among the Catholic neo- integralists). The Latin Mass is a fetish of neo-fascism. There, I said it.
Now tell us just how young and inexperienced in the Latin liturgy you are. I dare say I attended more Latin masses before I was ten than most of you have ever attended. I used to sit up in the choir loft looking down at people either ignoring the mass while they were saying the rosary or doing anything else EXCEPT UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BEING SAID BY A PRIEST WITH HIS BACK TURNED ON THEM. The Latin mass among those who don't understand Latin isn't worship, it's the opposite of worship.
@@jared5329 You are a callow reactionary poseur who knows that to tell us your age would discredit your claims.
My parish often has Mass ad orientem, with Latin, and Holy Communion at the Altar Rail. It's not unknown in our diocese!
Like Dr. Hahn says in his interview... when you attend a TLM you will immediately know the difference. Even though the NO ad orientem etc.. is nice, it's not the Mass of all Ages.
That's good to hear! A lot of younger priests are celebrating the liturgy in a more traditional way and it's wonderful to see!
This gradual introduction of traditional aspects is good.
Catholics will be familiar with this, and it will be easier to understand the Latin Mass when it is restored.
U are so Full of Jesus all OVER YOU !!! Very nice !!!
That is great. However, finding that kind of NO mass is like finding a unicorn.
Scott Hahn is such an absolute treasure and modern day doctor of the Church. 🙏🙏🙏 Thank you, Lord for calling him to us!!
Make Latin Mass Great Again
I went to Latin Mass first time because of Corona. And I almost cried, ev.thing was so beautiful it was like coming home. And I realized that because they pray to Mary and St. Michael at the end, Satan has never succeeded to lure the priests into changing the holy mass. Plus, hearing about Blessed Mother and St. Michael keeps the people remembering that we need to defend ourselves. In latin mass, they never let the defenses down. Now even my JohnPaul 2 seems a bit liberal to me, I realize it is necessary to talk about the dangers as well as the good things of our religious life. So did the Lord, he warned of the devil, we must imitate him, the priests must imitate him
AMEN!
@CodingCrusader1095
Because she stopped posting her messages.
I believe Maria Divine Mercy's *content* is Heavenly but unfortunately, she was not able to translate it into her own life. Satan tempted her greatly and she remained worldly. It eventually erupted into a huge scandal and she went under the radar. Pray for her and her mission. Pax Christi
@CodingCrusader1095 It was God`s Will. I know for myself that I was too attached to messages. I was always waiting for next message and I was not satisfied if it didn`t contain some prophecy. That was wrong attitude and it was good for me that it stop in 2015. God gives His Prophecies not to create spectacle but to convert souls.
@Frances Christine that is super cool. And you say in Japan ? Wonderful, I did not know that they are so catholic in Japan. I hope the whole world will follow suit. God blesss you all !!!!
@Frances Christine thank you so much for this precious information. So I am not the only one whose eyes were opened in this crisis. Praise be to God really ! So this did bring not only bad but good too. So these catholics started to come to latin mass too. What did they say ? How did they come to see ? Your father Onoda must be a holy man.
I have an italian friend, she married a Japanese man, he converted to catholicism but they hardly have any masses, they live in a small town close to a big city, now I cannot remember the citys name. But I know Akita, this is where our Lady shed tears on the wooden statue over the sin of abortion, even bloody tears. Lets all pray for the whole world, dear Frances Christine. So our Lord gives us hope too, in the end our Lady will triumph and the Kingdom of God will come fully !
This needs about a million more views, Dr. Hahn just has a way of explaining and letting his fire show.
I was born in the TLM era and loved everything about the chanting of the mass in Latin it really speaks to the heart very beautiful.
My sponsor was the instrument that God used to bring me into the Roman Catholic Church - years before he became my sponsor. The first catechetical materials that he fed me were authored by Dr. Hahn. I was blown away by his insights. His unpacking of Christianity was at least an entire plateau above anything I had encountered prior. In my book, he ranks among the best of the notable Catholic theologians and apologists of the 1.5 centuries.
I attended my first TLM about 3 years ago. I intended to reserve the TLM as an occasional treat for me, but I got tired of Novus Ordo Masses brimming with liturgical abuses and warm-fuzzies borderline-Marxist homilies - and let’s face it: the Novus Ordo Mass is downright subversive and ugly compared to the TLM (exactly as Annibale Bugnini intended, in my humble opinion).
I had hypothesized that Dr. Hahn would be a TLM fan. I’m glad to learn for certain that he is. ✝️
John, that makes me so sad. I really don’t understand why they ever removed the communion rail. I grew up going to Catholic school with wonderful nuns who really taught us our faith. Then after I graduated high school Vatican II came down and everything changed, I remember being so confused. The nuns taught us not to even chew or touch the Eucharist with your teeth, now people were putting in your hand. I was in total shock. I new 100% this was Jesus and this had to be wrong. I felt horrible receiving in the hand, then I made up my mind I’m not doing this and have always received on the tongue. Then I found the parish I go to now and was amazed to hear this priest talk about Divine Mercy and confession which I hadn’t heard in years. So I left my parish and came here. Then our priest put the communion rail back and said we could knee and receive on the tongue. I knew I was in the right place. I wish every Catholic Church would go back to how it is suppose to be. I hope things change back.
My childhood exactly. Still can’t understand people chewing the holy host
People received in the hand for centuries and Jesus gave it to his apostles in the hand. A Dominican Priest on EWTN said the mouth isn't "better" It's dirty, full of sin from his years in confession, spews gossip, sexual sins, judgement etc. Early Christians received communion in the hand for at least seven centuries. There is no historical question about this issue. The question of what we ought to do today is not the same question as what Christians did in the first seven centuries, but we must avoid sweeping generalizations about what counts as reverent
@@deb9806 if your going to receive in the hand then you need to lick your hand after you consume,the Eucharist. Particles of Jesus body are left behind on your hand. The paten which the altar server puts under each persons chin always has particles of the Eucharist left on it, this is a fact. Do you really want to let particles of Jesus body just left on your hand? It’s far more reverent to receive on the tongue and safer.
@@susancuzelis5128 Mine is on fingers and I do put them in my mouth but not scrupulous. Jesus used bread with his disciples and wasn't concerned about things like that. Jesus is God, he wouldn't be "dropped" he isn't controlled by our actions. You can say it is more reverent but I don't believe we control Jesus or his body, that I know is in the Trinity's full control. You want to be reverent. The mouth can be dirty, people have taken it out of their mouth, many sins are by the mouth, gluttony, sexual, gossip, etc. A priest pointed that out once. We strive to be holy, but no part of of our body is more holy than another.
@@deb9806 I just think we can agree to disagree. Hands are just as dirty as your mouth. That’s just crazy to think they are not. All kinds of sexual sins committed with the hands. This is just crazy to think one is more dirty than the other. In the hand people are so callous when receiving, just act like it’s nothing. Not all people but many. It’s heartbreaking, plus more abuse, people take the Eucharist out of the church and use it for satanic masses. Or they don’t even consume the Eucharist. This is impossible to happen when you receive on the tongue.
The TLM is the most awesome Liturgy on Earth! It was meant to be that way! I truly believe that the Apostles were given a very special gift when they started this form of worship. The Church fathers have also written well of this Liturgy. With that in mind, it's no wonder so many have discovered this form of the Roman Rite. Many young families are attending! God is moving in His Church!
The TLM is a better mass. But there is nothing wrong with the Novus Ordo. It depends on the priest. If they priest is serious, and reverent, and holy, then their mass is holy. If the priest is a goofball, then their mass is a trainwreck.
the accidents (in a Aristotelian sense) of TLM shows confirms the faith much more than the NO. The sacrificial character is much more apparent. Both are good, but NO is "less good" in that sense. Both are valid.
I like Dr. Scott Hahn, powerful instrument of God. I wish he would have said more about the good experiencies he has had at the TLM and why, in order to support the purpose of this documentary.
Not saying that he should have lied, just saying it would have been a great contribution for people who dont have the type of NO Mass that he enjoys (which I think are the majority) and that have and alternative TLM parish near by but are afraid to approach it and dont even know why.
All truth needs to be said to all people.
I like how Scott says he wonders if the Latin church goers would want it if they grew up in it. Many years ago didn't. Having something different and liking the reverence etc is nice but many non Latin masses are like that. I've heard comments say if my church was like St Patrick's I'd go all the time or if I lived in Rome, the list goes on. It's all esthetics. I want incense, I want music, I want rails. The Eucharist is always the same, even in simple non Latin churches in many convents, in friaries in NY, in simple countries. I think when we make the outside effects the real reason of the mass, it gets cloudy. I understand the beauty of my reverent non Latin mass and the regular Latin mass but I'm there for Christ. I don't need Latin, I don't need incense, I don't need chants. I've heard Trads say they just wont go if they take away their mass.....not a good thing.
Surely. One of the best comments I've read on this whole subject on all of those videos on the subject!...
I was born and raised on a, then very progressive leaning, Roman Catholic Charismatic Renewal parish. One of those some of the rad trads now call as apostate, heretic quarters of the Church and the actual cause of the Church's decline.
Roman Catholic Charismatic Renewal is arguably the largest worldwide movement claiming some 160 million followers worldwide, or more than 10% of the total Catholics, while TLM struggles to count some 28 million, or 2% of the totals, including SSPX and the Sedevacantists all to themselves. It's one of the expressions of the faith as valid as one another, including TLM. Problem is: TLM movement, mostly requests to be the unique valid possible expression of the faith, while all the others refer to themselves as non exclusive parts. This is where the problems arise.
I'm not against TLM by itself, but coming myself from a minority; the Charismatic Renewal, which I've left when I realized that the Faith is larger than a movement that wants Happiness from the Spirit to renew the Church; I've learnt to humbly respect one another on the Faith when going on outside the movement's Churches. That was one of my best Lessons of Life I received from my wonderful late Charismatic Renewal Priests I had there!...
Today I'm a regular rural area reverent Novus Ordo parishioner. From time to time I attend happily one or another Charismatic Renewal Mass. It's a joy nonetheless. It links me to my origins... But my Faith is far larger than a sinlgle part of it!... My way or the high way is not an option here. Humble understanding of Human Diversity is. This is why I so appreciate Pope Francis good pastoral care advice model of leadership! And want a whole experience, not just a tiny part of it!...
Have a nice day!...
You clearly don't understand the subtleties differences in worship. Lot's of prayers have a VERY different meaning.
High latin mass with the ch anting candles incense bells altar boys beautiful vestments and a worshipping priest . Nothing can beat that
I recall pre Vatican II. The High Latin Mass was said once on a Sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. Otherwise the Latin Mass was simple and prevalent on Sundays and weekdays. Is a worshipping priest only at the High Latin Mass. If you only value the High Latin Mass, then there's a problem. We don't worship any Mass. We attend Mass to worship our Lord and receive the eucharist (provided we have a clean conscience/have been to confession). Watching the 7 minute The Veil Removed is an excellent reminder of what we are truly all about.
It's not about the smells and bells... it's about Truth and reverence for God and the Holy sacrifice of the Mass with Christ as the focus and center.
In all honesty I don't know why some people are so judgmental and just plain vile. Why so much hate to people that attend NO? Some don't have the luxury of attending TLM. There shouldn't be so much division. Us Catholics criticize the protestants for so much division in protestantism and yet we are not acting like we are one church. People shouldn't act superior because they attend TLM. I prefer the Byzantine rite but I don't act all judgmental towards different expressions within Catholicism. Just because we have a preference doesn't mean we have to be divisive.
Byzantine rite >>>> Novus Ordo. Tridentine Mass >>>> Novus Ordo. Byzantine rite = Tridentine rite. Simple man.
All the Masses at St. Michael Catholic Curch in Annandale, VA are Ad Orientem. 12:30 Mass on Sunday is Novus Ordo with Latin and a glorious traditional choir.
I attend St.Athanasius in Vienna Virginia, there is no New Order in it. All traditional, if you go there is a dress code and they obey the Church law to wear a veil for Women.
FSSP St Josephs in Richmond. Beautiful TLM.
I think the key error on this "Active-Actual Participation" issue is the assumption that the Church is referring to EXTERNAL/EXTERIOR action. Nope, the key to everything is INTERIOR participation. And the silence of the TLM is what best fosters interior participation.
If each offering of the Holy Mass is Calvary re-presented outside of space and time, then let's be like Holy Mary...who didn't do or say anything at Calvary. She was just THERE, joined to Her Divine Son interiorly. I think that's the point...for us to just BE there.
There's no TLM where I live. I've heard my grandparents and my parents talk about it, I would love to experience it too.
I never get enough of listening to Dr. Hahn. God bless you!
One thing evident is that the NO Mass is only appealing and reverent insofar as it approaches the TLM. The TLM is the gold standard.
@PuraguCryostato
The NO pales in comparison to the TLM as far as grace is concerned
I like to use a food analogy. Is steak a food? Yes. Is cotton candy a food? Yes. Both are validly considered food. If you constantly eat one, it will sustain you. If you constantly eat the other, it will not. If we look at which Mass built the church and which is destroying the church, it doesn’t take much effort to determine which Mass is comparable to a steak and which is comparable to cotton candy. All valid, but not equal is sustaining.
@PuraguCryostato You should spend time reading "The Ottaviani Intervention", Cardinal Ottaviani was the head of the CDF during VII. It is easily found online. It is not long and addresses the concerns of the newly invented Novus Ordo Missae, all of which came to fruition.
PuraguCryostato The Church has spoken. Read Quo Primum.
@PuraguCryostato I don't think anyone said Jesus body is junk food. That is a straw man argument.
I refuse to attend a mass where the tabernacle is nowhere to be found and the priest preaches poison from the pulpit. Yes, I understand that the Eucharist is present, but that also means that there is serious desecration with most NO priests and parishioners handling it like it's a piece of candy. I cannot stand to watch that desecration. I think it is better to not attend a sacrilegious mass than to attend one.
Holy Rosary in Portland, Oregon. Ordinary Form ad orientem, altar rail only, sung Latin Mass Ordinary, totally normal.
St. Joseph's in Salem. TLM every Sunday at 7:30 am. Fourteen young men served at the altar last Sunday. The TLM in Oregon has a bright future.
And St Stephens in SE Portland, OR high and low Latin mass as well as NO ad oriented with altar rail!
I met Dr Hahn years ago in Raleigh, nc. He has been my church hero for years! I’m so glad to hear his take on the Mass
"Imagine if the whole church was like that..." Imagining really, really hard!!
One day
Imagining, imagining and praying.
I wish our bishop will put back the communion on the tongue and the communion rail. We have the novus ordo Mass in our parish.
St. Anne in Gilbert , Az. has a beautiful Latin Mass on Sunday , it’s a Norvus Ordo Church . Also every morning they have a Tridentine Low Mass .
I actually wish I lived right by that Church .
They also have 24 hour adoration daily .
I do frequent a Norvus Ordo Mass near me that’s more traditional than the average Norvus Ordo Mass . The Pastor there is really a good holy Priest , which really makes a big difference!
Pray the Entire Rosary! I saw Dr. Hahn at my church once!
“The Rosary is the weapon for the times.”
- St. Padre Pio
I recommend watching Gabiafterhours’ videos! His videos on the Rosary are truly the best!!
This is the most effective presentation on the TLM for boomers. Thank you Dr. Hahn.
Maybe you could invite Jacob Reese Mogg to ask him about TLM, a catholic british politician
PRAY THAT THE CURRANT POPE DOES NOT DESTROY OUR ACCESS TO THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS.
Im drawn by Latin mass and have learned Pater Noster, Ave Maria, etc. And i love the beauty and otherworldly experience
Whaaaat!? Appreciate he thinks novus ordo is well....Ok... coming from an Ivy tower of liturgy in Steubenville. AD ORIENTEM. Communion rails. Scott. We are dying down here brothA! We need to take a position. No time for speaking out of both ends. We are in a battle. Clarity is of importance. No time for the circle talk. Oh and by the way. This show is supposed to promote the TLM not put it in an equal position with the Bonini mass. We are in trouble. Notwithstanding above. I think Scott Hahn is one of the greatest teachers of Catholicism. His words and and his story have converted many. May God bless him.
The “latin Mass” which? There is the Tridentine Mass and the novus Ordo in Latin. It is old but there are other rites, and the Mass was originally NOT in Latin. The language is unimportant. What is important is the TRANSUBSTANTIATION and the eucharist.
Years ago I went to a Latin Mass and it did not speak to my heart half as powerfully as a reverent, well-celebrated English Mass. I found it arrogant, offensive and against what the Pope and the Church is asking when you said “the mass as it is supposed to be celebrated” referring to the Latin Mass. Fr. Tom Wilhelm
I go to a NO that is ad orientum, a kneeler, and we chant Gloria and Sanctus in Latin. We also do Kyrie in Greek, I’ve pretty much only gone to mine (new convert) so I don’t know if that’s common in NOs or not.
Scott Hahn just changed the clothing on his fundamentalism when he became Catholic, now more so!
After reading his book Rome sweet home, and listening to his discourses in the internet, I have understand my Catholic faith better, and that the protestants and born again Christians are missing the most important part of the Christian dogma: the Bread of Life, the body and blood of Jesus which give us the everlasting life!
I’m in awe at the sincerity that Dr.Hahn exudes while explaining his preference for the Latin mass, my disagreement with him not withstanding.
Personally I am happy with a mass that looks like the Lord’s Supper. I don’ t want a mass that provides a setting for me to say a rosary. I can do that at home.
So when I hear how much Dr. Hahn likes the TLM, I wonder if he wouldn’t like the Orthodox liturgy even more. Because, having watched that liturgy, I saw a mass where the faithful can barely see, or hear, anything that the “ad orientum” priest is doing within the confines of the inner sanctum, where he consecrates the elements, but rather must be content with viewing a plethora of icons on the walls on either side of that inner sanctum.
I hate to say this. But I'm starting to lose a little respect for Dr. Hahn. Especially since he's been criticizing the SSPX. Which I firmly believe in. They are the only hope we have and saving the Catholic Church as we all know and love. Sometimes, you can become too popular and start to believe your own hype. I hope that doctor Hahn will take a step back and see the reality from his fellow Catholics perspective.
Much respect to Dr. Hahn, but he's totally off base with the Charismatic movement. That originated from a group of college-age Catholics after they attended a protestant service in the early 70's. There is nothing in the Catholic Tradition that describes speaking in tongues to mean uttering gibberish that no one understands. The gift of tongues means to speak one language but be understood by many languages. Notice how in Acts it describes the apostles as speaking their native language, yet being understood by all the different peoples despite a language barrier.
You do not need Latin to pray to God. What's the point in speaking in a dead language? Read: 1 Corinthians 14:9 "In the same way, if you talk to a person in some language he doesn’t understand, how will he know what you mean? You might as well be talking to an empty room". The only purpose is to sound pompous and to belittle you! I heard a lame explanation that if you do not understand it, no worries, the words are for God and not for you. So, in plain English you do not matter in the Latin mass. The priest and those who understand it, are "better" than you, let them do the praying for you bc God listens to those who speak Latin and not to you. Wake up, there is no such requirement from God!
The Novus Ordo Mass at our parish is beautiful & a truly encounter with Our Lord. I don’t like when people paint all Novus Ordo Masses as irreverent & not worthy & not valid. There are no Latin Masses in our diocese.
That's definitely too broad of a brush. The 'trads' I cross paths with would not say that the NOM is invalid, just less reverent and less fitting for the sacrifice taking place.
@@MassoftheAges I have heard and read statements that Sandra Goss indicates. It's not a good idea to minimize what she wrote. She didn't paint with a 'broad brush', and you appear to be fortunate to not have encountered such angry traditionalists. There would have been no reason for Pope Francis to take a look at this issue.
@@Lucylou7070 There really was no reason for the Pope to look into the Latin Mass and react to it the way he has even if there are voices within it that disparage the NO. If a few loudmouth, bigger people in a movement that makes up 1% of the church warrants the Pope’s reaction, then he also needs to look at the NO parishes and come down harder there since there is so much liturgical abuse & heterodoxy preached. I am against the NO, and I will attend at times when I have to, but it is truly so hard to find a NO that is reverent, adheres to the rubrics, and where no heresy is preached.
@@katolico You're right that it is a relatively small group, but they appear to be causing unnecessary division that often include heretical statements about the Pope and judgments about those who are more comfortable in the Mass said in English. Over time, a small but loud and angry group might have more power? There are improvements in the Mass said in English, and I don't use the phrase "NO" or other disparaging terms because it underlies the division. I don't know how sincere you are about searching for 'reverent' Masses in English. If you did attend a Mass in English that did in fact preach heresy, then you must report it or at the least state specifically what you heard when you reply to someone.
@@Lucylou7070, how sincere I am? I belong to a church that reverently celebrates the mass in English and doesn’t currently have a TLM.
Most masses of Pope Paul VI have a lack of reverence. I can’t even find one in entire dioceses that don’t have a multitude of problems to include: irreverence, heresy in homilies, poor celebration of liturgy in many different ways. So much liturgical wasteland out there.
Loved this interview!!!! My fav professor Dr. Hahn never at a loss for words lol!!
FROM THE MYSTERY OF THE INCARNATION-- GOD MADE MAN , JESUS , TO THE MYSTERY OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST ,
JESUS CONTINUING ABIDING PRESENCE WITH US ON EARTH IN THE FORM OF BREAD AND WINE,
GOD IS TELLING US THAT HE LOVES TO BE WITH HIS PEOPLE , GOD LOVES HIS PEOPLE.
AND GOD WANTS US TO LOVE HIM BACK , RETURN HIM LOVE FOR LOVE.
TO LOVE , WE HAVE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE ONE WE LOVE .
TO A CERTAIN EXTENT , THE INCULTURATION OF THE LITURGY OF VATICAN II , IN LOCAL LANGUAGES
PERMITTED THE FAITHFUL TO UNDERSTAND THE CATHOLIC LITURGY BETTER
AND THEREFORE RELATE MORE IN LOVE WITH JESUS ,DIVINE LOVE ,WHOM WE OUGHT TO SEEK
TO LOVE BETTER AND BETTER EVERYDAY .
“PETER HAS SPOKEN “ IF WE PATIENTLY WORSHIP WITHIN THIS NEW ORDER , WE SHALL SURELY DISCOVER ITS POWER
With all due respect, I think it was hard for *you* because your book, The Lamb's Supper" presupposes that Saint John the Apostle was talking about the Novus Ordo Missae in the Apocalypse. He wasn't. Will you print some retractions?
I’m curious also.
I recently returned to the church, and have returned many times before, but everytime i attended mass over the last decade, something felt off. To be honest i was ill informed and my grandmother passed away (who was the rock for catholic belief in my family) So i could not ask her questions. And by the grace of god i realized, very recently ALL of those years i went to church with her as a child, she was taking me to latin mass...... Talk about epiphany, i know this sounds foolish but i had no idea until i began to truly study my faith their was 2 different masses..... It was so inspired..... All the times i went to mass as an adult (honestly here and there) it seemed off, and i believed this was not for me..... even going to Protestant denominations (that is whole other story)........ It is also why i now know she always said ROMAN Catholic.........
Bet the Protestant services looked a lot like the Novus Ordo. At least the ones I went to did!
The Pre-Vatican II Latin Mass was often a dull, dreary business. The sumptuous Solemn High Masses being celebrated now as the extraordinary form were the exception which most Catholics did not attend unless it was a wedding or funeral. Their experience usually was limited to said low masses. And until Pius XII restored the magnificent rites of Holy Week (Palm Sunday through to The Easter Vigil) in 1955, most of the faithful did not attend these either.
While I am generally not a fan of the Novus Ordo mass (which when done properly as the Council intended can be quite devout and spiritual), I find a tendency among traditional Catholics to romanticize a ritual that was deficient in some respects and needed a bit of tweaking here and there. I know many will disagree with what have I have stated here but I stand by my assertions.
Dull?
Dreary?
The Pre-Vatican II Mass was exactly as it is today, so how is it that so many Catholics are preferring it over the N.O.?
Perhaps you were too young to understand back then.
Yes, the Low Mass was said on weekdays, but every parish had to have a High Mass on Sunday, so most Catholics, at church on Sundays, heard a sung Mass.
@@alhilford2345 Yes, OFTEN NOT ALWAYS dull and dreary. Priests saying mass in a perfunctory manner, mumbling the (audible) Latin words and not given time to celebrate properly (masses every half hour, particularly on holy days of obligation).
On Sundays, the average parish would have five or six low masses and ONE High or Solemn High Mass (I assume you know the difference). Do the math. And until the reforms of Pius XII, many of the faithful did not receive holy communion regularly, leaving that sacred act as their once a year "Easter duty."
P.S. With regard to my being "perhaps too young to understand back then," I'm almost 73, having been born in 1948. What is incorrectly referred to as The Latin Mass (the N.O. mass is celebrated in Latin in some parishes as well) was not replaced officially until 1970. Again, do the math.
I actually find myself keeping up with the priest in low mass because I join in prayer using the Missal. As of now, I do the English part. The priest are quite fast 😂🙏🏼❤️
Trad Mass is like being in Gods house; new mass is like being in a tent service a cheap knock - off. Oftentimes the Novus Ordo just go's to far left with no brakes. Fifty years of feminist agenda.
The Annunciation Church in Houston has a NO in Latin and Holy Communion at the altar rail.
Franciscan University is Modernistic and the antithesis of Tradition. Beware.
My parish has ad orientem for the N. O. Mass as well as chant, altar rail, and Latin Mass on Sundays and Thursdays as well as some Holy Days.
There is another church that celebrates the Novus Order in Latin, ad orientem, with chant, all male altar servers, Communion on the tongue at a Communion rail, and a choir in the choir loft with organ accompaniment. Coincidentally, it is also called St. Peter, in Omaha, NE.. On top of all that, it is also one of the most beautiful churches in the archdiocese.
Speaking in tongues in The Bible is absolutely different from what charismatics call speaking in tongues. And I used to be a charismatic. Saints like padre pio have had true true speaking in tongues.
I did a video on my transition to the TLM as well. I am blessed to have 3 solid, orthodox Parishes within 10 minutes of my home. We usually attend the Extraordinary Form. I can relate to what Dr. Hahn is saying. I appreciate his truthfulness and proper balance.
I prefer the TLM, but my local church is a very solid Novus Ordo church that encourages tradition. So I have the best of all worlds. Lots of young priests are JP II priests and they encourage tradition.
@@tomthx5804 Great to hear! It does seem like more and more Ordinary Form Masses are becoming more traditional.
Scott Hahn will one day be the Patron Saint of Puns. 😂 Seriously, I’m 36 and at 22 I read the Lamb’s Supper as recommended by a great priest, and it changed my life. However, it wasn’t till my first Low Mass that I saw what the book was saying 10 years later. God bless you and Dr. Hahn. I look forward to the documentary and will be checking out the Kickstarter.
This is great news.
Always wondered why Scott didn’t attend TLM after all his studies. Honestly Never made sense to me.
I stand corrected.
I don’t think we fully appreciate the eventual ripple effect this news will have in the Novus Ordo Church once they get word about Scott Hahn attending TLM. Maybe they’ll now be more open and follow.
PS. Love listening to Scott Hahn teach and love his books. He is an honorable and godly man. Deo Gratias.
That being said, I don’t think we Traditionalists will “cease and desist” criticizing what goes on in the New Mass. The disrespect to Our Lord in the Eucharist through Communion in the hand, no Communion plate, every Tom and Jerry handing out Communion, rushing through elevating Our Lord at the consecration, etc. is a serious problem and needs to be criticized. What is more...The whole intention by Bugnini of having an ecumenical Mass and taking out everything “offensive” to nonCatholics, the fact that it was not a “received” Rite of the Church, that is, part of Sacred Tradition, but was created in the 60s by a liturgical committee after Vatican II, etc. etc.
communion on the tongue began in the Middle Ages? not in the early Church
Kurt Whiteley Keep researching the historical “when’s” and especially the “why’s” of Communion on the tongue. Research all the other Liturgical Rites also.
@@pablodee9024 I think I understand the "why's" and I see the same arguments from people who feel unworthy to take the Eucharist at all. so then the "when" becomes more important to me. and the "when" is the Middle Ages
@@kurtwhiteley481 The council of Saragossa (380): Excommunicated anyone who dared continue receiving Holy Communion by hand. This was confirmed by the Synod of Toledo (400).
This indeed is received by means of the mouth which we believe by means of faith (St Leo)
6th Ecumenical Council, at Constantinople (680-681): Forbade the faithful to take the Sacred Host in their hand, threatening transgressors with excommunication.
The Synod of Cordoba (839): Condemned the sect of “Casiani” for their refusal to receive Holy Communion directly into their mouth
The Synod of Rouen (878) said: “the Eucharist may never be placed in the hands of a lay man or woman, but only in the mouth.”
Not saying there was no development here but this is far from being a middle ages invention.
@@kurtwhiteley481 Pope St. Sixtus I (circa 115): “The Sacred Vessels are not to be handled by others than those consecrated to the Lord
I was listening to Latin liturgical chants recently and loved them so much
and felt transported loftily to Heaven . But then I realized I did not understand the words of the beautiful hymns.So sad indeed .
I was at a loss .I did not know which ones were suitable to the particular aspect of Sacred Mysteries in the Life of Christ under meditation.
Need for UNDERSTANDING--a gift of God the Holy Spirit: God is never wrong . We just need to try to catch up with Him .
“The foolishness of God is greater than man ‘s wisdom”
It is so unfortunate that most advocates of the extraordinary form of the Mass don't sound like Dr. Hahn in this interview. Thank you, Dr. Hahn for your "liturgical witness."
Definitivamente de lo mejor que he escuchado en lo que se refiere a la Forma Extraordinaria. El Dr. Hahn está lleno del Espíritu Santo y es un hombre que vive lo que ora. Me encantó su “catolicidad” en el pleno sentido de la palabra: firme en su postura pero atento a lo que Dios va haciendo en la historia y en el mundo. Este video transmite paz, serenidad, abandono en la Providencia, pero al mismo tiempo una urgencia por luchar y buscar que Dios sea adorado como se le merece. El énfasis se pone en la realidad de lo que sucede en cualquier Misa válida: si sucede lo que creemos por fe que sucede sobre el altar, nuestro culto debe ser acorde con lo que está pasando frente a nuestros ojos. ¡Maravilloso!
Definitely the best I've heard when it comes to the Extraordinary Form. Dr. Hahn is filled with the Holy Spirit and is a man who lives what he prays. I loved his “catholicity” in the full sense of the word: firm in his position but attentive to what God is doing in history and in the world. This video transmits peace, serenity, abandonment in the Providence, but at the same time an urgency to fight and seek that God be adored as he deserves. Dr. Hahn’s emphasis is on the reality of what actually happens at any valid Mass: if what we believe by faith happens on the altar, our worship must be in accordance with what is happening before our eyes. Wonderful!
19.50 Eventually we will return to tradition.
I am a fan of Dr. Scott Hahan. I’ve always wanted to ask. If his grandma was Catholic and he broke her rosary beads? What happened in the journey of faith of his parent, that was the child of his grandmother? Just praise be to God. That Scott reclaimed his family’s faith. How many out their have lost this original faith? And yet many haven’t reclaimed this faith, from their family tree 🌳. I’ve see many artists out there on programs, discover their Catholic roots. And not reclaim it, for their own salvation sake of their soul?! Many of us in the Catholic family. Have been enriched, and revived, possibly motivated by Dr. Hahn’s testimony!! Dr. Hahn please pray for our Catholic Church. We struggle with these many scandals and confusing ways by our religious leaders! You have helped us understand! It is expected, and it will continue. Pointing out our own personal concerns to protect ourselves from fouls teachings. To recognize it, and don’t fall for it. Even Our Lord Jesus, shows us to studying is word, will bring us closer to him. And the journey of life will continue to help us, and verify many blessings of scripture. Mr. Hahn is just marvelous, you can just fill his urgent message!!! I’ve cried of emotion, from the emotion of his desire to help many us be saved!! He is like saying, please listen!!! Fallow Jesus!!! Wake up!!! Stop 🛑 fallowing the worldly types of life! Learning from Our Lord Jesus, is the only way!!! Thank you Dr. Hahn. Viva Cristo Rey!!! 08/28/21.
God bless the ICKSP seminaries and priests. God bless the FSSP seminarians and priests. God bless 🙏 all of the Catholic priests who live and teach the true precepts of holy Mother Church. + 🕯️🕊️🙏🌺
Including priests like Archbishop Vigano and the priests of the SSPX who openly teach on the evils of Vatican II!
@@unam9931 Did you read Bishop Schneider's chapter on the SSPX in his new book Christus Vincit? He seems to imply that he's behind them too, but he thinks they can achieve even more success with Rome by being more politically correct in the way they speak regarding doctrine and the Novus Ordo. I think that's a debatable assumption, but at least Scheider can see the SSPX rightly opposes modernism.
Without SSPX there's neither FSSP nor ICKSP. And I attended FSSP parish more than year and now go to SSPX parish and so grateful God led me here. I had several issue with previous parish and here it's so satisfying with all aspects.
@@reginasong5733 Thanks for this and your other comment. My experience sounds like yours. While I think most in FSSP and ICKSP are of goodwill and are allies to the extent they want to restore the Church, it is not helpful to turn a blind eye and remain silent regarding the incalculable harm that Vatican II and the Novus Ordo have caused and are continuing to cause to the Church. Yet from all I have observed, this is precisely what these groups do.
This is only an analogy and not meant to be insulting, but I think of groups like the FSSP and ICKSP like a battered spouse with several children who stays quiet, trying not to upset her abusive husband while earnestly praying he changes. SSPX on the other hand, I think of as the eldest son who confronts his father demanding his father act like a father because he is terrorizing the mother and younger siblings. While the bellicose SSPX has gotten far more flak for wanting to maintain tradition than these pacifist groups, which of the three groups is more likely to succeed in the long run, and, more importantly, which is more faithful to Christ and the Church? The one that eliminates confusion by naming the enemies and that believes there are hills worth dying on or the ones that pretend everyone is a friend and there are no hills worth dying on other than maintaining good relations with the enemies of Christ no matter the cost? Is not that the mentality traditional Catholics are seeking to escape from? The war is squarely with Vatican II and the Novus Ordo and the huge number of casualties they have claimed in the form of lost souls is nothing less than a tragedy. I think traditionalists must recognize this and tell the truth and refuse to be pacifists in this war. Anything less is untenable. Thank God more people are reaching this conclusion every day and that, for the first time in decades, we finally have a handful of bishops stating the obvious about the destructive anti-Catholic principles behind Vatican II and the Novus Ordo.
"But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil." Matthew 5:37.
@@alexhaggard2945 Vatican II brought about some bad doctrine and ecumenical service but not evil.
And once you've been to a "reverent Novus Ordo" that "approaches" the TLM ....with Latin, Gregorian chant, altar servers in cassock and surplice, ad orientem, orthodox homily, Communion on the tongue kneeling at the altar rail...you're just going to ask, Why not just say the TLM????
Look, the NO is **not*** simply the TLM in English. It is a completely different paradigm. The NO cult left *nothing* untouched - not just the Mass, but the rituals of **all** the Sacraments, the Catechism, the translation of and commentary on Scriptures, the lectionary, the liturgical calendar, the architecture of the Church buildings, and the "worship music" -- *everything* was wreck-ovated. And look at all the converts who just *flocked* to the Catholic Church since the Advent 1969 imposition of the NO..........yup, Ye shall know them by their fruits. Numbers don't lie.
Perfect!
I hope Professor Hahn and Curtis Mitch are also aware that we are eagerly awaiting the completion of their Ignatian Old Testament Bible Study guide.
The Orwellian terminology of “Extraordinary Form“ is offensive to actual Catholic ears.
“Theological Pyros” is a great name for your next book, Dr. Hahn.
It is interesting to note how Scott Hahn continually re-positions himself so as to not become irrelevant.
His book, "The Lamb's Supper" definitely presupposes that St. John was talking about the Novus Ordo Missae.
Well THAT was mind-blowing & uplifting. Thank you!
The Tridentine has the Jewish Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed. His Passover, Jewish Passover Gentile Passover. The Prayers are perpetual until end of time.
The Jews had true worship they worshipped the Messiah in advance. Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed He Is God and attended true worship The Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem are His Death Prayers.
Why did the Temple fall? It was the end of the Symbolic Paschal Lamb Sacrifice and also the Jews said "We have no King but Caesar " God started with Jews then the Messiah is made Flesh He picks up on Jews He doesnt start all over again Jews have the Work in Progress the Priesthood and worship called the Passover.
Daniel refers to the Perpetual Sacrifice.
Yes very secular I just saw a video by Taylor Marshall that was posted today that shows in New York bishop basically messing up the mess with forms of Marxism.I don’t even know how to get to a good mass because I am limited as to how far I can go I am in a motorized wheelchair I live with my extended family I know that’s weird to say but I would love to be able to go to mass and not worry about what is being preached
I love ALL forms of the Mass; all languages and all forms. I even love the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. Why? Jesus is present!
The more empty human beings become, the more silence irritates us -whether you are a lay person or a cleric, thus the need for noise related atmosphere.
Even when I went to the most reverent Novus Ordo mass I find it protestant in its way to praise, to pray, to behave, to sing, everything. The Latin mass is truly Catholic. To say it in colloquial words the Traditional Latin Mass is the real deal. Everything is Catholic there.... especially Doctrine, everything.
Trident Mass is the Original Mass. The Novus Ordo Mass in Latin is still the New World Order Mass in Latin.
I am a cradle Catholic. Is EVERYTHING in Latin at the LTM?
The Homily is in the spoken language and the Kyrie is Greek. Besides that, everything else is Latin. But almost every Latin Mass location will have the Latin/English side-by-side in a book.
There are actually three languages used, Latin, Greek ( Kyrie..) and Hebrew (Amen, Alleluia).
The three sacred languages that were on the sign on the cross at Calvary.
Wow, I must be really old! I remember him when he was still young.
You are all scaring me!!! If the Latin Mass became the norm in the Catholic Church, I can see myself ending my days as a Baptist and maybe going to mass once or twice a year like for Easter and Christmas. I felt actually insulted and shocked when Dr. Hahn said (paraphrasing) that the NO mass was God's way of stooping down to us and give us this sort of "lower-lesser way of worship" for us who are so unable to appreciate the higher way. I am so devastated and scandalized to hear and see what is going on in our Church. Every time I come across one of these platforms (that keep proliferating!!) all I can read is SCHISM written all across my screen. This is what we concentrate and spend our time on, while nobody is evangelizing and bringing some sense of God's Kingdom into this sick world and unity to our Church. God help us.
wut
@@igorcesardealmeida6196 Evangelize? Been there, done that. I don't see your point.
It is irrefutable that the Latin Mass is a higher form of worship - it's sacred tradition brought to the faithful. Not only is it largely the liturgy St. Ambrose heard and the liturgy of Pope St Gregory the Great, it has more prayers, greater reverence etc. Novus Ordo is valid but it's spelled incredible breaks in the Faith. Pew research proves the majority of Catholics who go to mass don't even believe in the Eucharist, let alone what the Church actually teaches. There are serious abuses in the NO, such as the dropping of communion hosts etc. All of which make it appear to people as okay. This is wrong - we are meant to be incensed if even a single particle falls to the ground.
You can cry I'm trad or schematic but it is simply not true. I accept communion on the hand. I accept Pope Francis, I accept Vatican II. But the Tridentine liturgy is too important and sacred to lose. It is not just our Catholic heritage, it's very essence is entrenched in sacred Tradition. Getting rid of it is not just a mistake, it actually is against the church's teachings since the beginning. There is a reason why the Orthodox can look down at us and honestly I don't blame them. The hardest thing being Catholic is the breaking of the ancient liturgy. It was an embarrassment of the highest order, and Vatican II didn't even call for it. This has gone beyond Vatican II...and it wasn't even an ecumenical council.
For me the sweet spot is a vernacular mass done in the exact same style and liturgy as the Tridetine, whilst getting rid of the Low Mass and ensuring all are a Sung mass. The Orthodox have done this, why was this so hard? Never in all of Church history was there such extreme reform to the divine liturgy / Holy Mass.
John Smith, the father of the baptist church, he baptized himself hahahahaha! But alright, you tell the Catholic faith to not schism, when you’re in schism yourself.
Born in 1968, Vatican II was already formed. I thought the Tridentine Mass had been outlawed. Then in 2002 I found that I was wrong and they said "Just to to St. XXX Sunday at 8am. They've been doing it for 150 years.
I am not a holy man, but that I witnessed the same Mass as Aquinas struck me. I love the Tridentine Mass.
I kneel in front of the Priest and stick out my tongue. I have been “shood away” by some and I obediently get up and sit down. I’ll go to another Mass until I receive Communion.
All I can say is .,. Whoa ! This was so inspirational
God bless you Dr Hahn! What an amazing man!
Am seventy three years of age so one can imagine that I was raised during the Old Rite. Most things changed through Vatican Council II. Now I do not need anybody to tell me that most of the Bishops were drunkards during Viatican Council II. They definately were not. It would be fine for Dr, Hann to understand the Old Rite which is in Latin, but what about most people who have no knowledge of Latin. It is defintely the work of the Holy Spirit that brought Mass to ne understood in one's own language.
thank you again Dr Scott Hahn for giving us Islands of sanity when leaders are swimming with shark's and piranhas God bless you
Raising children: frustrating/fulfilling. Certainly. Easy answer.
The things that bother me in our NO parish are: no silence and women acolytes(adult servers).