You do realise that silicosis causes pneumoconiosis that is an inflammation and scarring of the upper lobes of the lungs causing nodular lesions resulting from inhalation of silica, quartz or slate particles. You are exposed to silica etcetera when drilling or cutting concrete. You are all concerned about asbestos and mesothelioma yet fail to realise that silicosis is more likely to kill you as your exposure to it is far greater than asbestos. Especially when you wear mask but don't use appropriate dust control measures.
I'm a 60 year old semi-retired electrician and have disturbed a lot of asbestos in my time, especially in power stations accidently knocking lagging off pipes, drilling into asbestos sheet thinking it was plasterboard, but what I'm dying of is silicosis caused by years of inhaling concrete dust from drilling and cutting!
Sorry to hear about the silicosis. But agreed on the asbestos, worked around it myself for years and years. So far, all good and even knowing the risks back then, never worried about it. But people today act as if you touch it, you'll die.
I am based in LA actually Sylmar if earthquake fame, 71 and 94. I learn a lot from your channel. Your humor is great, I don’t always understand all the gags but I try. Also what u call all the parts and pieces of electrical equipment is completely different from here. Although we have single phase 240 to all our houses, we mostly run 120 circuits to the various rooms in our houses. Pool motors and AC condensing units get 240. I have a couple of car racks in my shop which r also 240. So I am learning u guys do things differently. And probably many ways more advanced. The channel is a lot of fun!! Entertainment and education balanced to your whim of the day.
Basing yourself in Bournemouth seems like a good strategic move - some of the most expensive housing in the UK, lots of rich retired people. Like Cambridge by the sea! Should be able to sustain good day rates there!
Great vid as always Cory, regarding the thermal runaway, I think this is less of a problem in newer EVs, and will be less and less of a problem over time as we move to solid state batteries, so long as a company doesn't store a load of Chevy Bolts under your apartment, the risk is fairly low :)
Asbestos is fine if still intact, you can double bag it up and dispose of it properly, Chrysotile woven asbestos is relatively safe compared to other forms of asbestos so the risk from a few fuses is EXTREMELY low, There's more of a risk if a fuse has blown as that may have damaged the rope. there's really no reason to throw anything away that's been in the same room.
Agreed, the way people act around potential asbestos is hilarious. Yes, it's a known carcinogen. But no, just looking at it or touching won't kill you. Even directly inhaling the dust isn't a guarantee of getting cancer. The chances are actually really slim and it's more from continued exposure. Like someone mentioned above, I also worked around it for years and years, over 30 years ago. No one I know I worked with had any ill effects from it.... yet...... lol
Hi Cory, great video yet again. Out of interest, do you have to get a structural report prior to drilling and fixing into those reinforced concrete ceilings?
In Belgium, there is a requirement to have an RCBO per charging point. Every charging point is therefore typically wired separately with 6mm2 into a distribution board close to the parking spaces, with the RCBOs in that distribution board. In case of a bus configuration, the alternative is to integrate the RCBO inside the charging point, but then this is not user-serviceable (i.e. you need to call an electrician to activate it again...). Love the channel, lots of love from across the channel.
Yes Ruben, Correct. And in underground carparks Belgium also requires an emergency switch on every exit. Makes it a lot more complex with the rcbo's and the extra regulations.
I was playing with those asbestos containing fuses when a child in the 1960’s. Also playing with and climbing over corrugated asbestos cement board all the time.
4:50 Additional hint.. If you are dipping small pieces like you are there, you can spray and pool into the cap of the spray can itself.. Even less mess.
33:49 Was that ceiling sampled for asbestos? I've worked in a few buildings with the same prefabbed cement ceilings and all had been asbestos reinforced and to reiterate looked exactly like that. I know you go on about it later in the vid but it looks like you've already been heavily exposed if it was.
Did you really end up using plastic plugs on ceiling? In a case of fire, plugs will melt and all will collapse. At least in my country u are not allowed to plug and screw anything on ceiling. I always use concrete screws while fastening directly on concrete ceiling.
Great video as always At planning stage should have asked for the asbestos survey. No life is worth the risk. On day one should have had a look at the onsite survey file to know where asbestos is if any is present and where it is located. If you drill through asbestos, you have now created a big problem and you are now responsible for the clear up and all other health and safety problems that arise. Cory was right walk away you should never just sweep or use a standard vacuum the only one you can use is a H class vacuum and they can only be emptied under controlled conditions. And they need to be DOP tested every 6 months.
Good stuff Cory-monsta! I can see the day when they'll be a requirement to fit rate-of-rise thermal detectors or optical smoke detectors in any area that an EV is charging and cut the charging supply if tripped. The battery design is so important in minimising thermal runaway. Fortunately there's a move to lithium-iron-phosphate cells. Cheers
Cute little trick for drilling overhead take a small clear plastic cup with a hole the size of your drill bit in the bottom of the cup then slide the cup on your drill bit from the bottom outside to the inside of the cup and then place the drill bit in place on your mark and slide the cup up against the surface you are drilling into and the cup catches the debris from the hole instead of your face
I managed to get the OZEV infrastructure grant for my flat - 55 dummy units plus my active one. We already had cable trays installed so they didn't need to do that, but went with Easee units too, great for load balancing. Had to install Wi-Fi too as poor mobile reception.
I was working on a lift in an appartment complex with about 70 parking spots. With over 20 EV's but no chargers. I asked the chairman of the owners association if they were looking for someone to install them. Besides working on lifts I also install carchargers. He told me that their insurance company didn't allow to charge EV's in the garage underneath the flats. In case of a fire that originated in a EV that was connected to a socket there would be no payout....
Nice video. Writing from the US here - so pardon if my metric to us to metric conversions are askew. What you are doing on this job I think is fairly cutting edge - at least for the US - as we've not broadly prioritized electrifying multiple - much less all parking spots in an apartment building car park. So there's lots to learn here about what is acceptable and good practice. If I understood you correctly, it sounds like you are taking a 60amp 3 phase ~240V service line and splitting it 3 ways (I assume then effectively single phase) on each of 3 lines into ~10 chargers each. You mentioned 22KW - which I assume is the approximate service of each single phase. My question therefore is this: If everyone signs up for the service (eventually) and everyone looks to charge at the same time say overnight, won't the effective per car charge be just ~2KW each (given 10 chargers per line)? I'm wondering therefore is there a 'standard' for what available power should be across the number of shared units. I feel like here in the US building managers are worried about needing to bring in multiples of 40/60 amp 240V circuits into their building paired with each new electric car that comes into the garage to 'live.' Each also with a meter to measure monthly usage for charge back to the user. The idea of sharing a single, or even 3 circuits across 30 spots seems foreign if not quite practical.
In a car park with residential "home" charging there will always be the same residents parking each night. On average each car uses 8 kWh per day which means during 12 hours each charge point will use 0.7kW on average. Load balancing and metering is all handled via wifi connection to the chargers.
66kW is able to deliver about 230 miles of range an hour, or 2,000 miles in 8 hours overnight. For many apartment buildings this is going to be fine for quite a lot of spaces. When working at scale you always leverage diversity, its just in this case you can actually manage it which allows you to run much closer to capacity.
The EV charging under buildings is already a huge debate here with a few high profile fires that causes massive damage to the structure and loss of other cars. I predict they are going to mandate massive fire suppression systems and will see government subsidies and loans for that.
Wonderful installation/video! I'd be really interested to hear what did you do with metering for the individual consumers? I've got a similar installation to design and i'm struggling to find a suitable method
Lovely install done by you guys.. on a side note, does make me wonder about grid capacity full stop though - from what I could see here, you've got a three phase 63A supply, but each of these car chargers is capable of working up to 32A each.. so to run all the car chargers at full capacity, you need 960amps. So if all the spaces had an EV plugged in and charging, they'd be running at about 1.4KW each. By Telsa's own calculations, a Model 3 would take about 48 hours to fully charge - so even with all the caveats of not every EV would be using 100% charge at the same time etc, there just doesn't seem to be enough power in the building to charge 30 EVs at any decent rate. I think the other thing to mention is how on earth does this get charged for? As a communal supply, if I'm living in flat 10 and don't have an EV, and John in Flat 15 does.. I don't want to pay for the electric cost of charging his car in leasehold fees.
Hi, the calculations aren't correct, there are 30 chargers total, across 3 Circuits. Each circuit the max draw is 32A so across 3 Circuits that's 96A not 960, that would be correct if all individually fed. Monta is how the billing is done and its on a per user basis
This is why Easee is good because if you have more than 1 on a circuit, it's the circuit that's load balanced not the charger (they balance between themselves)
Interesting video, one question I have relates to the Matt-e, is it possible to have one shunt trip turned on without the other? I’m just looking at the CPC configuration and wondering if ckt3’s needs to be in the right hand earth bar or does it not matter?
Hi Cory Can you give more info as to how the individuals paid for their use of charging? Also how was this allowed with the latest Fire regs it is against to install EV charging in underground car park! Thanks Mike
Hi there Alex from South Coast EV here! The users all pay through the Monta App and the car park although underground, isn't beneath any properties. Purely just grass above
My concern about the installation of dummy devices is if the manufacturer goes bust/changes the design and you can't get the live unit anymore. The government should introduce a universal standard for both the physical unit and also any communication/interface with the controller. Large scale indoor EV installations should have additional regulations associated with them, either fire alerting, supression or separation. I agree, I'm not a fan of top cable entry, even if the manufacturer claims a certain IP rating. Get yourself a milwaukee band saw, far quicker and safe than slitting/grinding everything. Not all asbestos is the same, and can be OK to work with if you know how to handle it. You'll be amazed to know how many places/things contain it.
static.rsagroup.com/rsa/commercial-insurance-products/motor-fleet/electric-vehicle-charging-and-enclosed-car-parks-v1.pdf The RSA brought out this guidance for installation of chargers . The Bsi is currently doing public consultation on their work . My concern would be integrate of structural elements as they defo WOULDN’T be tested to the temps a car bay fire would give . Fitting all those in such a space isn’t good practice IMO . I have asked SCEV in the thread but they havnt replied as yet ( strange )
That wasn't a transition to Boscombe Pier you were at the Harvester at Durley Chine 😂 I didn't know you relocated down to my home town in Bournemouth perhaps I missed a video?
Top job all of you looked at pricing a commercial job that’s where the money is to be earned 👍a small company got no chance in the domestic Market for evcp installs ,eaten up by the internet and greedy new car sales 😂
Big old install. That concrete is probably 50 years old at least so will be really hard, but should keep any burning cars or mattresses isolated from the flats. How’s the billing getting sorted? It’d be too much to whack onto the service charge, and not fair on Doris who gave up driving twenty years ago.
The charging apps monitors usage etc therfor can bill individual usage on a pay as go type system same as most multi user charging stations. I’m more annoyed at the use of grants being abused. We are never going to have full elec car usage so all those chargers ain’t needed . Also as Cory said the fire risk is crazy imagen 30+ elec cars on fire . The heat would destroy that C60 concrete and we seen how solid it was
Hi 👋 the billing will be done via Monta, so those that have had a working charger installed get added to the team as a member in Monta and get set up with their charging rate etc etc. The management company of the site will be paying for the subscription
@@barrieshepherd7694 we're seeing the same shite in NZ. everyone's so barred up on EV's but oblivious to the "grants" and where that money is coming from
With the salesban on Easee chargers in sweden and netherlands, for the lack of sufficient safetymeasures (according to regulations), is it something that you have noticed an effect on Installations/orders in the UK? Or is it something that has just gone under the radar?
Easee is banned in Norway as well now. I suspect Easee is also on the brink on bankruptcy with all the lay-offs etc., so we'll see how it goes. Personally I would never install something that requires a cloud service to function (load balancing etc.) Has to be local, and there is really no reason why shouldn't, apart from the manufacturer keeping control, and potentially charging for the features as a service, or forcing you to upgrade because of end of life of the service. ATM. I only know of Defa and Schneider that offers local load balancing, and phase compensation.
@@sveip Easee is not banned in Norway, please get your facts straight. Cloud service isn't strictly necessary for the charger to function unless you want to load balance multiple subcircuits with the rest of the building. Circuit level load balancing is done locally.
@@michaelr2499 a quick google search and google translate if you don't read Norwegian will tell you're wrong mate. They've had a sales ban now for over a month in Norway.
Funny thing, Becuase you are not in the eu anymore you are allowed to put up eease chargers. They have been put in a salestop in EU because they do not comply with safety requirements.
I have searched about the sales restrictions and they have not been suspended in the whole of EU. The only documented suspensions that I found were Sweden (most notorious), Netherlands and Austria. The argument is usually about the RCD being electronically controlled by software rather than electromechanically. These easee units are being sold in Portugal and Spain. AFAIK the portuguese regulation allows it despite being based on the same EU standard that the Swedish authorities are having trouble with
@@triedtofail it should/will result in a sale stop in the EES region as soon they are done in court in Sweden, if it get banned here it get banned in whole of EES. Alot of chargers uses software controlled RCD, Easee problem is that they use components with too small of a safetygap inside when disconnecting and they have declared that they use an RCD with electromechanical mechanism in which they don't. They do not meet the RCD/DC protection requirements that they rated the boxes for, witch forces external RCD protection They do not meet the ip requirement of ip 65 or whatever that they said the boxes have,amon a couple of other things. Easee solution to this has basicly been put a sticker on it with some information. You can contact Elsäkerhetverket to get the whole report. Altho it's in Swedish
love the video, big fan, but regs state you cant use plastic plugs on a ceiling as when a fire hits the plugs will melts and the tray/wire will fall, defeats the point of metal cable ties, they state to instead use concrete screws. something to consider for the future.
They were used in conjunction with concrete screws, so the plug isn’t really necessary. But I appreciate the suggestion and the respectful way of putting it across 😁, it’s not that clear in the vid, you’re right
Hi Cory another great vid. Just wondered how would the residents pay for the electricity is it app based on easee ? Which then goes back to the landlords ? Was there a separate meter for the Main EVDB
Hi Mate so the site Will be set up with Monta back office and then each user that has a working EV charger will be set up with a charging rate. The ongoing Monta membership will be paid for by the management company
The only downside at present is the communal supplies aren't considered fully domestic so the electricity prices aren't subject to price caps and end up costing more, hopefully that'll improve over time. Easee also seem to offer a very good open access system so you have your choice of management system.
50:07 ist it normal in the uk to switch the PE (Protective Earth the gn-ye wire)? never seen such a thing here in germany as the pe has to be alway connected to earth, the way it is done here couldn´t you get a potential difference to the earth wire of the charger when the switch is off ? i would never do such a thing here and never seen it. just noticed whats even more dangerous the pe from the outer right cable is put on the left pe block this way if the left block is ever switched of the cable of the right side will not have an pe when switched on ! you should really check that and put it over to the right side at least, i would count on the connection through the housing ift there is any.
We have to disconnect it via a special safety device as shown in the video, as if there was a PEN conductor fault, all earthed devices could become live vs the true ground. It’s a regulation here for TN earthing systems and EV charge points.
28:00 The more EVs you get in the garage, the less likely it is that there will be a fire. ICE cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs! EV FireSafe, an Australian company, studied global data on the reports of EV fires from 2010 to 2022, concluding that there was a 0.0012 per cent chance of a passenger EV catching fire, compared to 0.1 per cent for an ice vehicle, a far higher (but still tiny) level of risk - 80 times greater!
Mono audio is fine and often preferable. Nothing worse than someone’s voice moving around to one Chanel when your wearing headphones. Put it on mono and we can here it all, without causing issues, gotta remember that if its coming out both channels it’s twice as loud and clear. Great content and been following you since Artisan so the reference made me giggle. Sometimes tho, the music can be a bit loud as it averages a lot higher than the vocal, it’s common on lots of channels but something to be aware of. Btw, well done for going solo, your a brave lad and the international aspect makes it more interesting... keep doing what your doing, but in mono where appropriate :)
Mono audio means that both microphones are coming through at once, not that it’s coming through in both ears (he’s using a two transmitter to one receiver microphone set) If the microphones are recorded in stereo you can mute the person who isn’t talking, but if one person is breathing heavily and the other person is talking and you’ve recorded in mono, you cannot remove the heavy breather as the signals aren’t discrete, they’re merged. Think of it as 1 channel and 2 channel, not mono and stereo.
@@Etacovda63 I actually didn’t think of it as 2 channels independently mutable, though does explain his comment which I misinterpreted the first time. Too man my times I’ve seen RUclipsrs use a stereo mic and move around it, it’s quite nauseating and can make it harder to hear, so often watch in mono anyhow.
The key part is actually doing audio editing in post, vs just recording the audio and cutting the video. Get one decent stereo mic at the camera for ambiance, and then lapels on each of the talent. Recording 4 audio channels is stupid cheap/easy now. Too many channels think oh I just take this great stereo mic record it and I'm good to go. Stereo mics won't give great separation between two speakers unless they are really far apart. It can help a little bit but not usually. The whole moving around bit is mitigated by centering the dialogue in the stereo space in post, maybe allow a little pan to place them in the space but unless the talent is yelling from off camera a hard pan L/R will always annoy people.
Car battery charging is over 90% efficient so there is little heat actually being dissipated at the charging location. I'd expect about 80% of the KWh going into a car ends up at the wheels unlike ICE vehicles where about 15% of the fuel (petrol/diesel) energy makes it to the wheels.
@@AndyFletcherX31 have you ever been standing next to a fast charger under load? Charging an EV generates quite a bit heat that is disipated by the charging station and by the car, that is why the built in fans are blowing. Granted, an 11 kW point is a lot less challenging but if you put 20 cars next to each other, it will be quite toasty in the summer if you do not have ventilation to the outside. The efficiency to the drivetrain compared with ICE is not relevant to this discussion
@@ttkddry IIRC there are 3 x 32A 3-phase feeds or about 66KW. If the total dissipation exceeds 6KW I'd be surprised. Anyway it would be less than having 30 ICE vehicles cooling down after driving.
@@AndyFletcherX31 yes I agree 66kW is not as much as some of the fast chargers, but this summer I had 2 installs with inverters overheating, because the ambient temperature exceeded 40 degrees celcius and cooling was no longer efficient, we had to vent the air to the outside. ICE cars cooling down do not keep producing heat all night long, compared to EV charging all night. Everything will work fine over the winter of course....
You asked a question - I answered it. You don't have to like the answer. In any case there are ventilation requirements in car parks to prevent buildup of CO, CO2 and other dangerous gases.
Sadly back when I was an apprentice (1972-76). Asbestos was everywhere. We didn't realise. I know it has claimed the lives of a lot of Sparkies over the years
Let's hope they installed an RCD / ELCB. The producer say they have that built in but they dont. That's why they are banned from sale in Norway and Sweden now. The Home and Charge models are affected. I'm ashamed that an norwegian company make such idiotic mistakes in 2023.
Mine was installed in January 2023, prior to the sales ban in Sweden and the Netherlands. My installation is similar to that in this video, in a covered understory carpark, with limited/no weather effect on the device. SCEV fitted a Fusebox Type A RCBO anyways so I am not worried, but if there were to be a recall the design of the charger with a modular "robot" would mean it would be easy to swap out. @@pederb82
@@pederb82 There is no active sales ban on Easee products in Norway and there is an integrated RCD in every device. It would be nice if you didn't spread misinformation. :)
If the cable tray is fixed to the ceiling using plastic wall plugs, won't that just melt in the event of a fire and result in the entire tray collapsing?
I was told to install 10 of these chargers but I wasn’t told to install separate load management just 10mm swa from a 63a mcb round all the chargers, I was told it was built into the chargers
Also 10mm swa doesn’t fit in the glands on the charger at all, it’s very likely water will get into the top of the charger, definitely needs to be wired in a tough sheath cable
Hi Chris, 10mm is tight but it does fit in OK. As for the load management, yes they do load balance between themselves on the same circuit but not between separate Circuits so an easee equaliser is required upfront
28:50 Right, the cables won't fall because of the metal cable ties. But the hole tray will fall because of the standard plastic wall plugs 😅🤔🤣 There are screws out there that screw directly in the wall/ceiling without plug that are fire rated.
going self employed when your young is one of the best things you can do i started when i was 18 left my dead end job to do the things i wanted travelled around the uk and i spend everyday learning meeting new people young and old with different skill sets learning new things from great people. have to say i never made much money but i lived at home and had no dependants. so never had any stress about paying bills. simply because i had so few. built up a wide base of contacts and late 2022 fed up with issues with customers. i was approched by a company who offered me a oppotunity which i couldnt really tuen down. because of my 5 to 6 years i had the knowledge and experience. made the mistakes with my own money and learnt. i was there no1 choice when they wanted to expand. i could of stayed in my old job or worked in a supermarket and earnt loads more money but you can put a price on somethings. so if anybody ever asks about or suggests self employed i always say take the plung in the deep end as it puts more doors on the horison and you never know where it ends up. the skys the limit.
I'm not an Easee fanboy, but find the support from the UK office pretty reasonable. They are in trouble with authorities due to claiming to meet RCD standards which are designed for physical RCDs. The regulatory bodies just haven't caught up with electronic RCDs and the same could happen with many other charging products that also use electronic RCDs. Physical RCDs can't reset by themselves whereas electronic ones do etc. Can you imagine how the design would be compromised by having a physical reset switch? I do think that this install is going to lead to complaints in the future - sharing a 60A lift supply with so many chargers really is poor. I faced the same situation with a 100A landlord supply which supplies a pool heater + other misc stuff. I would not have dreamed of accepting this and have gone through the pain of getting the DNO to quote for upgrading supply to 300A and the reason for why the government grant is so necessary. £500 per partially provisioned space and £850 for each fully provisioned space. In terms of load balancing, the Optimizer (100A or 500A, single phase or three phase) can use their own proprietary RF to control ONE master, but if you have several circuits then all need to be on WiFi to communicate and I am not aware that load balancing communication beween optimizer and masters goes via the Easee cloud servers. Matt:e now offer 5 pole breakers with built-in PEN fault protection so that the technology can be integrated into your own cabinets
@@Chris-hy6jy Cutting uni strut, dipping, drilling holes in strut, drilling 2 masonry holes, mounting strut, fitting zebs, cutting tray, dipping, offsets, measuring, metal cable tying with special tool etc etc versus drilling one hole for a D line clip is way faster???? Future expansion? They have already fitted out all parking bays.
At the moment Easee is in really bad weather both in Sweden and Norway due to deviations (a handful or two) found by the authorities. In Sweden they have stoped the sale of the Easee charging robots. Norway and the other EEA countries will probably be following along. The situation has resultet in tempoary layoff for many of Easee’s employees.
Eek quite scary news, we've just had them all installed! Hopefully there's a big enough installed base to keep them going with future sales if things can get resolved.
The Easee Home and Charge are still on the market in Norway and are not banned. There is no ban in effect that applies to the entire EU, however certain countries have preemptively banned the products. The ban will only apply to the entire EU if that is the verdict of the trial in Sweden which is concluded in autumn at the earliest.
The reason the past installers used expanding foam for installation purposes... They where probably fed up of breaking drill bits and unable to mount any hardware? 😂
It’s a shame they can’t fill one of those storage trays with like 10000 18660 cells and actually make it useful. The leaf is upgradable from 3rd party to double its battery. Maybe a solution will appear by itself in time
28:33 Did I misunderstand? Why do you think it's now super possible that a fire might start? Given that EVs are multiple times less likely to catch fire (assuming good EVSE wiring!) compared to fossil cars sat idle with some components at way over 100°C after a drive. This kind of chat is what insurers hear and then start imposing stupid limitations on EV charging in underground car parks because they believe the FUD without doing their research.
Ok you explained it at 35:30 but this still seems like FUD spreading. The chance of an EV fire with modern EV batteries is very low. When did you last hear of one in the UK? Meanwhile, I'm sure our glasses wearing friend Martyn Lee mentioned that an Oxford research group was working on a solution for battery packs that allows fire services to remotely inject some device into the battery pack that drenches the cells in water using far less total water and stops the thermal runaway.
I hear of them as I worked a lot for a EV battery recycling plant in Luton and saw a few burnt out batteries. Might not make the news, but it happens and it’s serious.
A ship transporting EVs is on fire off the coast of Netherlands right now. In no way would I want to live in a building with EVs charging underneath in a underground car park.
Cory your warning regarding Asbestos is not to be ignored - also you should be wearing proper breathing protection - I have known 3 people who have died from asbestosis which can be in your lungs for 30years before it turns into cancer.
As a German electrician, I really don't get the thing with inverted cable tray. Shouldn't the cable laying in the cable tray?! 🤔😂 But love your videos.
Not sure where you got that figure from. It’s not that much for the dummy ones. ( although it wouldn’t be unreasonable with the amount of work and gear needed ).
Hi Guys let me clarify, there is an EV infrastructure grant of £500 per bay to install infrastructure. If you then install a working charger in that bay instead of a dummy you get another £350 for doing that (£850 total)
@@southcoastev so if you run SWA into 100 bays you get £50k in grants without installing a single working charger? Good to see the government is spending our money wisely! 🤦♂️
@@rob19632this is a common assumption to make in most of the electrical field. The more people you have, the more it averages out and you need less total supply. For example, assume electric showers. They're massive, and if every unit in this complex had one, and you ran them all at the same time, youd probably trip the mains. But its exceedingly unlikely everyone will shower at exactly the same time. Averages out, maximum demand is lower. Same with EV's. Some will charge during the day, some at night. Either way, no car will charge at 22kW for 8 hours a day, so on average they all still get enough power.
I agree with you about a business coach. I honestly do believe a lot of them are grifters. On a side note, on a recent Artisan episode, Jordan had a meeting with one haha!
Great video as usual Cory. Was there any pushback from the tenants who had to park their cars elsewhere whilst you were doing the work considering majority weren't having an ev charger installed?
When we did it at mine I managed to get unanimous approval from other residents as they realised how good a deal the grant made it - ended up about £65 per nay for enablement work which future proofed the parking space. We agreed to do it in sections so cars could move to free spaces 👍
Guys, Litchensutein is a double landlocked country, I was joking about my sponsored swim there, stop trying to donate 😂 .Thank you though!!!! ❤
Going to intersept Artisans tools I presume..
You do realise that silicosis causes pneumoconiosis that is an inflammation and scarring of the upper lobes of the lungs causing nodular lesions resulting from inhalation of silica, quartz or slate particles. You are exposed to silica etcetera when drilling or cutting concrete. You are all concerned about asbestos and mesothelioma yet fail to realise that silicosis is more likely to kill you as your exposure to it is far greater than asbestos.
Especially when you wear mask but don't use appropriate dust control measures.
Haha, there are places to swim in Liechtenstein! they're just bloody cold
I'm a 60 year old semi-retired electrician and have disturbed a lot of asbestos in my time, especially in power stations accidently knocking lagging off pipes, drilling into asbestos sheet thinking it was plasterboard, but what I'm dying of is silicosis caused by years of inhaling concrete dust from drilling and cutting!
Sorry to hear about the silicosis. But agreed on the asbestos, worked around it myself for years and years. So far, all good and even knowing the risks back then, never worried about it. But people today act as if you touch it, you'll die.
I know it’s a different type, but in Russia they still mine and use blue asbestos
@@RUclipscensoredmyusername Imports from China and the USA can contain it too
That's what I said...theyre scared of their shadows today....I said be glad its not the blue asbestos...we all be dead by now
Sorry to hear that and very good advice. Take care my friend.
Fantastic work. South Coast EV seem like great chaps, great banter. Hope to see more of them! 😄
Thanks 👊
More to come!
Great to see how much Tradify benefits you! Glad Pete was able to come around!
I am based in LA actually Sylmar if earthquake fame, 71 and 94. I learn a lot from your channel. Your humor is great, I don’t always understand all the gags but I try. Also what u call all the parts and pieces of electrical equipment is completely different from here. Although we have single phase 240 to all our houses, we mostly run 120 circuits to the various rooms in our houses. Pool motors and AC condensing units get 240. I have a couple of car racks in my shop which r also 240. So I am learning u guys do things differently. And probably many ways more advanced. The channel is a lot of fun!! Entertainment and education balanced to your whim of the day.
Thanks for brining up the subject, your work is amazing.
Basing yourself in Bournemouth seems like a good strategic move - some of the most expensive housing in the UK, lots of rich retired people. Like Cambridge by the sea! Should be able to sustain good day rates there!
Great vid as always Cory, regarding the thermal runaway, I think this is less of a problem in newer EVs, and will be less and less of a problem over time as we move to solid state batteries, so long as a company doesn't store a load of Chevy Bolts under your apartment, the risk is fairly low :)
Asbestos is fine if still intact, you can double bag it up and dispose of it properly, Chrysotile woven asbestos is relatively safe compared to other forms of asbestos so the risk from a few fuses is EXTREMELY low, There's more of a risk if a fuse has blown as that may have damaged the rope. there's really no reason to throw anything away that's been in the same room.
He said there was asbestos residue on the floor?
@@Pugjamin How could he tell without specialist equipment? Could just be dust or plaster, it's very unlikely if the fuse was in good condition.
Agreed, the way people act around potential asbestos is hilarious. Yes, it's a known carcinogen. But no, just looking at it or touching won't kill you. Even directly inhaling the dust isn't a guarantee of getting cancer. The chances are actually really slim and it's more from continued exposure. Like someone mentioned above, I also worked around it for years and years, over 30 years ago. No one I know I worked with had any ill effects from it.... yet...... lol
Hi Cory, great video yet again.
Out of interest, do you have to get a structural report prior to drilling and fixing into those reinforced concrete ceilings?
In Belgium, there is a requirement to have an RCBO per charging point. Every charging point is therefore typically wired separately with 6mm2 into a distribution board close to the parking spaces, with the RCBOs in that distribution board. In case of a bus configuration, the alternative is to integrate the RCBO inside the charging point, but then this is not user-serviceable (i.e. you need to call an electrician to activate it again...).
Love the channel, lots of love from across the channel.
Yes Ruben, Correct. And in underground carparks Belgium also requires an emergency switch on every exit.
Makes it a lot more complex with the rcbo's and the extra regulations.
Don't forget about a mandatory four pole isolator for each item of fixed equipment, haha maybe that's why they have top entry!!
❤❤each of your content, as an electrician from the Seychelles. Inspired by your craftsmanship...keep it up
why not keep the tray straight and just use slightly longer length of unistrut? It was such a tiny offset.
I was playing with those asbestos containing fuses when a child in the 1960’s. Also playing with and climbing over corrugated asbestos cement board all the time.
4:50 Additional hint.. If you are dipping small pieces like you are there, you can spray and pool into the cap of the spray can itself..
Even less mess.
Brilliant!
Big up South Coast EV! What a great bunch of guys!
Thanks Guys 🎉
Hi Guys, around 40 years ago I worked as an electrician in the Unistrut factories in Bedford UK, happy days.
33:49 Was that ceiling sampled for asbestos? I've worked in a few buildings with the same prefabbed cement ceilings and all had been asbestos reinforced and to reiterate looked exactly like that. I know you go on about it later in the vid but it looks like you've already been heavily exposed if it was.
Did you really end up using plastic plugs on ceiling? In a case of fire, plugs will melt and all will collapse. At least in my country u are not allowed to plug and screw anything on ceiling. I always use concrete screws while fastening directly on concrete ceiling.
Great video as always
At planning stage should have asked for the asbestos survey. No life is worth the risk.
On day one should have had a look at the onsite survey file to know where asbestos is if any is present and where it is located. If you drill through asbestos, you have now created a big problem and you are now responsible for the clear up and all other health and safety problems that arise.
Cory was right walk away you should never just sweep or use a standard vacuum the only one you can use is a H class vacuum and they can only be emptied under controlled conditions. And they need to be DOP tested every 6 months.
I thought the same, I am always amaze how many times this is over looked.
Good stuff Cory-monsta! I can see the day when they'll be a requirement to fit rate-of-rise thermal detectors or optical smoke detectors in any area that an EV is charging and cut the charging supply if tripped. The battery design is so important in minimising thermal runaway. Fortunately there's a move to lithium-iron-phosphate cells. Cheers
Came in this week
Cute little trick for drilling overhead take a small clear plastic cup with a hole the size of your drill bit in the bottom of the cup then slide the cup on your drill bit from the bottom outside to the inside of the cup and then place the drill bit in place on your mark and slide the cup up against the surface you are drilling into and the cup catches the debris from the hole instead of your face
Nice therapeutic job!
Yes it was!
I managed to get the OZEV infrastructure grant for my flat - 55 dummy units plus my active one. We already had cable trays installed so they didn't need to do that, but went with Easee units too, great for load balancing. Had to install Wi-Fi too as poor mobile reception.
63A for 30x 22 kW chargers. So is that one on full power or multiple trickle charging?
What rawl plugs was used if plastic then this wouldnt confrom to the fire regs mYbe walldog screws should have been used ?
It’s used in conjunction with concrete screws
I was working on a lift in an appartment complex with about 70 parking spots. With over 20 EV's but no chargers. I asked the chairman of the owners association if they were looking for someone to install them. Besides working on lifts I also install carchargers. He told me that their insurance company didn't allow to charge EV's in the garage underneath the flats.
In case of a fire that originated in a EV that was connected to a socket there would be no payout....
Impressive that the building owner(s) is willing to install this charging system
What is happening with Easee in UK? Not allowed to be sold anymore in Sweden. You can top and bottom entry.
Can you connect multiple EV chargers together on a radial circuit? I thought they would have to have dedicated power supplies.
Nice video. Writing from the US here - so pardon if my metric to us to metric conversions are askew. What you are doing on this job I think is fairly cutting edge - at least for the US - as we've not broadly prioritized electrifying multiple - much less all parking spots in an apartment building car park. So there's lots to learn here about what is acceptable and good practice. If I understood you correctly, it sounds like you are taking a 60amp 3 phase ~240V service line and splitting it 3 ways (I assume then effectively single phase) on each of 3 lines into ~10 chargers each. You mentioned 22KW - which I assume is the approximate service of each single phase. My question therefore is this: If everyone signs up for the service (eventually) and everyone looks to charge at the same time say overnight, won't the effective per car charge be just ~2KW each (given 10 chargers per line)? I'm wondering therefore is there a 'standard' for what available power should be across the number of shared units. I feel like here in the US building managers are worried about needing to bring in multiples of 40/60 amp 240V circuits into their building paired with each new electric car that comes into the garage to 'live.' Each also with a meter to measure monthly usage for charge back to the user. The idea of sharing a single, or even 3 circuits across 30 spots seems foreign if not quite practical.
In a car park with residential "home" charging there will always be the same residents parking each night. On average each car uses 8 kWh per day which means during 12 hours each charge point will use 0.7kW on average. Load balancing and metering is all handled via wifi connection to the chargers.
66kW is able to deliver about 230 miles of range an hour, or 2,000 miles in 8 hours overnight. For many apartment buildings this is going to be fine for quite a lot of spaces. When working at scale you always leverage diversity, its just in this case you can actually manage it which allows you to run much closer to capacity.
The EV charging under buildings is already a huge debate here with a few high profile fires that causes massive damage to the structure and loss of other cars.
I predict they are going to mandate massive fire suppression systems and will see government subsidies and loans for that.
Wonderful installation/video! I'd be really interested to hear what did you do with metering for the individual consumers? I've got a similar installation to design and i'm struggling to find a suitable method
Use Monta, they then individually get billed for their usage
Great video! It’s always customers that bogged existing installation that telling you how run cable, what size screws to use. 🤣🤣
😂
When mentioning the conduit in the customers garage I was more focused on the fridges powered off a 4 way power strip
Fridges use very little current in reality.
Quick question, if all of the residents went for a charger how would the supply cope with the amount of electricity required?
Hi there, it has an Easee Equalizer so it designed to manage the available load at the time of charging and distribute accordingly.
Lovely install done by you guys.. on a side note, does make me wonder about grid capacity full stop though - from what I could see here, you've got a three phase 63A supply, but each of these car chargers is capable of working up to 32A each.. so to run all the car chargers at full capacity, you need 960amps. So if all the spaces had an EV plugged in and charging, they'd be running at about 1.4KW each. By Telsa's own calculations, a Model 3 would take about 48 hours to fully charge - so even with all the caveats of not every EV would be using 100% charge at the same time etc, there just doesn't seem to be enough power in the building to charge 30 EVs at any decent rate.
I think the other thing to mention is how on earth does this get charged for? As a communal supply, if I'm living in flat 10 and don't have an EV, and John in Flat 15 does.. I don't want to pay for the electric cost of charging his car in leasehold fees.
Hi, the calculations aren't correct, there are 30 chargers total, across 3 Circuits. Each circuit the max draw is 32A so across 3 Circuits that's 96A not 960, that would be correct if all individually fed.
Monta is how the billing is done and its on a per user basis
This is why Easee is good because if you have more than 1 on a circuit, it's the circuit that's load balanced not the charger (they balance between themselves)
Each car doesn't charge fully every day. On average each car will only need 8kWh per day so it averages out nicely.
@@mrfrenzy. You forget the ~250W draw of the computer whilst the car is charging. Its really inefficient charging below 2kW.
@@SeanHoulihane each car will charge much faster than that, but not all at the same time.
Interesting video, one question I have relates to the Matt-e, is it possible to have one shunt trip turned on without the other? I’m just looking at the CPC configuration and wondering if ckt3’s needs to be in the right hand earth bar or does it not matter?
You are absolutely correct. After noticing one of the team had put it on the wrong side it was sorted, just so happens it was after it was filmed. 👊
Hilarious and informative. Nice one Cory
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fair play you sure are careful good job Cory 😎👏🇮🇪
Hi Cory
Can you give more info as to how the individuals paid for their use of charging?
Also how was this allowed with the latest Fire regs it is against to install EV charging in underground car park!
Thanks
Mike
Hi there Alex from South Coast EV here!
The users all pay through the Monta App and the car park although underground, isn't beneath any properties. Purely just grass above
My concern about the installation of dummy devices is if the manufacturer goes bust/changes the design and you can't get the live unit anymore. The government should introduce a universal standard for both the physical unit and also any communication/interface with the controller.
Large scale indoor EV installations should have additional regulations associated with them, either fire alerting, supression or separation.
I agree, I'm not a fan of top cable entry, even if the manufacturer claims a certain IP rating.
Get yourself a milwaukee band saw, far quicker and safe than slitting/grinding everything.
Not all asbestos is the same, and can be OK to work with if you know how to handle it. You'll be amazed to know how many places/things contain it.
Great points raised
static.rsagroup.com/rsa/commercial-insurance-products/motor-fleet/electric-vehicle-charging-and-enclosed-car-parks-v1.pdf
The RSA brought out this guidance for installation of chargers . The Bsi is currently doing public consultation on their work . My concern would be integrate of structural elements as they defo WOULDN’T be tested to the temps a car bay fire would give . Fitting all those in such a space isn’t good practice IMO . I have asked SCEV in the thread but they havnt replied as yet ( strange )
That wasn't a transition to Boscombe Pier you were at the Harvester at Durley Chine 😂 I didn't know you relocated down to my home town in Bournemouth perhaps I missed a video?
40:50 - Lots of bits flew off into a rather critical area there didn't they. Does that ever catch you out ?
Is there not regulations on fixing into supporting pillars?
Top job all of you looked at pricing a commercial job that’s where the money is to be earned 👍a small company got no chance in the domestic Market for evcp installs ,eaten up by the internet and greedy new car sales 😂
Big old install. That concrete is probably 50 years old at least so will be really hard, but should keep any burning cars or mattresses isolated from the flats. How’s the billing getting sorted? It’d be too much to whack onto the service charge, and not fair on Doris who gave up driving twenty years ago.
The charging apps monitors usage etc therfor can bill individual usage on a pay as go type system same as most multi user charging stations. I’m more annoyed at the use of grants being abused. We are never going to have full elec car usage so all those chargers ain’t needed . Also as Cory said the fire risk is crazy imagen 30+ elec cars on fire . The heat would destroy that C60 concrete and we seen how solid it was
Hi 👋 the billing will be done via Monta, so those that have had a working charger installed get added to the team as a member in Monta and get set up with their charging rate etc etc. The management company of the site will be paying for the subscription
I don't think added service charge is much of an issue for the owners considering how expensive a property is to buy in Sandykeld.
@@southcoastev aha, makes sense, thanks.
Nice job, I’ve done one like this but in Norway. We used something called «Montasjeskinner Elis Elektro» instead of cable trays. Very neat product.
So what I'm hearing here, with the grants, is if you put in a dummy...you still get to clip the ticket...epic gravy train lads!!
Great result for the residents too, means you can future proof your space even if you don't have an EV.
Not that good for tax payers😢
@@barrieshepherd7694 we're seeing the same shite in NZ. everyone's so barred up on EV's but oblivious to the "grants" and where that money is coming from
With the salesban on Easee chargers in sweden and netherlands, for the lack of sufficient safetymeasures (according to regulations), is it something that you have noticed an effect on Installations/orders in the UK? Or is it something that has just gone under the radar?
Easee is banned in Norway as well now. I suspect Easee is also on the brink on bankruptcy with all the lay-offs etc., so we'll see how it goes. Personally I would never install something that requires a cloud service to function (load balancing etc.) Has to be local, and there is really no reason why shouldn't, apart from the manufacturer keeping control, and potentially charging for the features as a service, or forcing you to upgrade because of end of life of the service. ATM. I only know of Defa and Schneider that offers local load balancing, and phase compensation.
Oh wow hadn't heard anything about that 😮😮😮 We went for Easee at mine, that's a bit worrying!
@@sveip Easee is not banned in Norway, please get your facts straight. Cloud service isn't strictly necessary for the charger to function unless you want to load balance multiple subcircuits with the rest of the building. Circuit level load balancing is done locally.
@@michaelr2499 a quick google search and google translate if you don't read Norwegian will tell you're wrong mate. They've had a sales ban now for over a month in Norway.
Funny thing, Becuase you are not in the eu anymore you are allowed to put up eease chargers. They have been put in a salestop in EU because they do not comply with safety requirements.
I have searched about the sales restrictions and they have not been suspended in the whole of EU. The only documented suspensions that I found were Sweden (most notorious), Netherlands and Austria. The argument is usually about the RCD being electronically controlled by software rather than electromechanically. These easee units are being sold in Portugal and Spain. AFAIK the portuguese regulation allows it despite being based on the same EU standard that the Swedish authorities are having trouble with
@@triedtofail it should/will result in a sale stop in the EES region as soon they are done in court in Sweden, if it get banned here it get banned in whole of EES.
Alot of chargers uses software controlled RCD, Easee problem is that they use components with too small of a safetygap inside when disconnecting and they have declared that they use an RCD with electromechanical mechanism in which they don't. They do not meet the RCD/DC protection requirements that they rated the boxes for, witch forces external RCD protection
They do not meet the ip requirement of ip 65 or whatever that they said the boxes have,amon a couple of other things.
Easee solution to this has basicly been put a sticker on it with some information.
You can contact Elsäkerhetverket to get the whole report. Altho it's in Swedish
Hi Cory, Looking to get an EV installed at my property. Im with octopus, what EV would you recommend getting installed?
Check out their website for compatible EV chargers! 🔌
Phwoar, what a hunk!!! ( Pete that is )
22:27 what brand pants / workwear do you wear? Great video!
love the video, big fan, but regs state you cant use plastic plugs on a ceiling as when a fire hits the plugs will melts and the tray/wire will fall, defeats the point of metal cable ties, they state to instead use concrete screws. something to consider for the future.
They were used in conjunction with concrete screws, so the plug isn’t really necessary. But I appreciate the suggestion and the respectful way of putting it across 😁, it’s not that clear in the vid, you’re right
@@corymac Always good to be respectful, we are all in this together in this industry to learn and teach. look forward to the next video
Have you done any DC Charging yet? 😉⚡️🇬🇧
Hi Cory another great vid. Just wondered how would the residents pay for the electricity is it app based on easee ? Which then goes back to the landlords ? Was there a separate meter for the Main EVDB
Hi Mate so the site Will be set up with Monta back office and then each user that has a working EV charger will be set up with a charging rate. The ongoing Monta membership will be paid for by the management company
@@southcoastev oh ok that’s pretty cool not something I’ve looked in to before seems like the way forward. Thanks for getting back to me
The only downside at present is the communal supplies aren't considered fully domestic so the electricity prices aren't subject to price caps and end up costing more, hopefully that'll improve over time. Easee also seem to offer a very good open access system so you have your choice of management system.
50:07 ist it normal in the uk to switch the PE (Protective Earth the gn-ye wire)? never seen such a thing here in germany as the pe has to be alway connected to earth, the way it is done here couldn´t you get a potential difference to the earth wire of the charger when the switch is off ? i would never do such a thing here and never seen it.
just noticed whats even more dangerous the pe from the outer right cable is put on the left pe block this way if the left block is ever switched of the cable of the right side will not have an pe when switched on ! you should really check that and put it over to the right side at least, i would count on the connection through the housing ift there is any.
We have to disconnect it via a special safety device as shown in the video, as if there was a PEN conductor fault, all earthed devices could become live vs the true ground. It’s a regulation here for TN earthing systems and EV charge points.
You still install ease even they are due to security concerns no longer allowed to be sold in some country?
They messed up some paperwork, they’re coming back. Very confident they aren’t going out of business.
28:00 The more EVs you get in the garage, the less likely it is that there will be a fire. ICE cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs!
EV FireSafe, an Australian company, studied global data on the reports of EV fires from 2010 to 2022, concluding that there was a 0.0012 per cent chance of a passenger EV catching fire, compared to 0.1 per cent for an ice vehicle, a far higher (but still tiny) level of risk - 80 times greater!
Mono audio is fine and often preferable. Nothing worse than someone’s voice moving around to one Chanel when your wearing headphones. Put it on mono and we can here it all, without causing issues, gotta remember that if its coming out both channels it’s twice as loud and clear.
Great content and been following you since Artisan so the reference made me giggle.
Sometimes tho, the music can be a bit loud as it averages a lot higher than the vocal, it’s common on lots of channels but something to be aware of.
Btw, well done for going solo, your a brave lad and the international aspect makes it more interesting... keep doing what your doing, but in mono where appropriate :)
Mono audio means that both microphones are coming through at once, not that it’s coming through in both ears (he’s using a two transmitter to one receiver microphone set) If the microphones are recorded in stereo you can mute the person who isn’t talking, but if one person is breathing heavily and the other person is talking and you’ve recorded in mono, you cannot remove the heavy breather as the signals aren’t discrete, they’re merged.
Think of it as 1 channel and 2 channel, not mono and stereo.
@@Etacovda63 I actually didn’t think of it as 2 channels independently mutable, though does explain his comment which I misinterpreted the first time.
Too man my times I’ve seen RUclipsrs use a stereo mic and move around it, it’s quite nauseating and can make it harder to hear, so often watch in mono anyhow.
The key part is actually doing audio editing in post, vs just recording the audio and cutting the video. Get one decent stereo mic at the camera for ambiance, and then lapels on each of the talent. Recording 4 audio channels is stupid cheap/easy now.
Too many channels think oh I just take this great stereo mic record it and I'm good to go. Stereo mics won't give great separation between two speakers unless they are really far apart. It can help a little bit but not usually.
The whole moving around bit is mitigated by centering the dialogue in the stereo space in post, maybe allow a little pan to place them in the space but unless the talent is yelling from off camera a hard pan L/R will always annoy people.
dumb question: if all these cars are charging overnight, where is all the excess heat going?
Car battery charging is over 90% efficient so there is little heat actually being dissipated at the charging location. I'd expect about 80% of the KWh going into a car ends up at the wheels unlike ICE vehicles where about 15% of the fuel (petrol/diesel) energy makes it to the wheels.
@@AndyFletcherX31 have you ever been standing next to a fast charger under load? Charging an EV generates quite a bit heat that is disipated by the charging station and by the car, that is why the built in fans are blowing. Granted, an 11 kW point is a lot less challenging but if you put 20 cars next to each other, it will be quite toasty in the summer if you do not have ventilation to the outside. The efficiency to the drivetrain compared with ICE is not relevant to this discussion
@@ttkddry IIRC there are 3 x 32A 3-phase feeds or about 66KW. If the total dissipation exceeds 6KW I'd be surprised. Anyway it would be less than having 30 ICE vehicles cooling down after driving.
@@AndyFletcherX31 yes I agree 66kW is not as much as some of the fast chargers, but this summer I had 2 installs with inverters overheating, because the ambient temperature exceeded 40 degrees celcius and cooling was no longer efficient, we had to vent the air to the outside. ICE cars cooling down do not keep producing heat all night long, compared to EV charging all night. Everything will work fine over the winter of course....
You asked a question - I answered it. You don't have to like the answer. In any case there are ventilation requirements in car parks to prevent buildup of CO, CO2 and other dangerous gases.
Sadly back when I was an apprentice (1972-76). Asbestos was everywhere. We didn't realise. I know it has claimed the lives of a lot of Sparkies over the years
What sort of cable were you using on this job?
Looks like a artisan electric room!
SCEV did my Easeee install in Poole. Great service and would recommend to anyone in the area 👍🏻
Thanks mate, remember it well 👍 @TheTechOnline
Let's hope they installed an RCD / ELCB. The producer say they have that built in but they dont. That's why they are banned from sale in Norway and Sweden now. The Home and Charge models are affected. I'm ashamed that an norwegian company make such idiotic mistakes in 2023.
We did indeed @pederb82
Mine was installed in January 2023, prior to the sales ban in Sweden and the Netherlands. My installation is similar to that in this video, in a covered understory carpark, with limited/no weather effect on the device.
SCEV fitted a Fusebox Type A RCBO anyways so I am not worried, but if there were to be a recall the design of the charger with a modular "robot" would mean it would be easy to swap out.
@@pederb82
@@pederb82 There is no active sales ban on Easee products in Norway and there is an integrated RCD in every device. It would be nice if you didn't spread misinformation. :)
Just a quick note. 16mm meter tails in free air, ref C are rated up to 103A, so should be OK. Great video.
Thanks for the info!
If the cable tray is fixed to the ceiling using plastic wall plugs, won't that just melt in the event of a fire and result in the entire tray collapsing?
They’re in conjunction with concrete screws, solid and fireproof 💪🏽. Plug isn’t really necessary
@@corymac Ahh got it.
Hi Cory, are you in Milton Keynes this weekend? I just bumped into Jordan/Andrew and my mind is blown😂
I was told to install 10 of these chargers but I wasn’t told to install separate load management just 10mm swa from a 63a mcb round all the chargers, I was told it was built into the chargers
Also 10mm swa doesn’t fit in the glands on the charger at all, it’s very likely water will get into the top of the charger, definitely needs to be wired in a tough sheath cable
Hi Chris, 10mm is tight but it does fit in OK.
As for the load management, yes they do load balance between themselves on the same circuit but not between separate Circuits so an easee equaliser is required upfront
Come to the gold coast, australia. You can stay on our boat and do some electrical work here
That sounds awesome. Ping me an email bro - cory@oyelectrical.com
28:50 Right, the cables won't fall because of the metal cable ties. But the hole tray will fall because of the standard plastic wall plugs 😅🤔🤣 There are screws out there that screw directly in the wall/ceiling without plug that are fire rated.
They’re used in conjunction with concrete screws, the plugs really aren’t necessary
@@corymacokay cool, thanks for answering. Haven't heard it in the video. Nice install all in all👍
going self employed when your young is one of the best things you can do i started when i was 18 left my dead end job to do the things i wanted travelled around the uk and i spend everyday learning meeting new people young and old with different skill sets learning new things from great people. have to say i never made much money but i lived at home and had no dependants. so never had any stress about paying bills. simply because i had so few. built up a wide base of contacts and late 2022 fed up with issues with customers. i was approched by a company who offered me a oppotunity which i couldnt really tuen down. because of my 5 to 6 years i had the knowledge and experience. made the mistakes with my own money and learnt. i was there no1 choice when they wanted to expand. i could of stayed in my old job or worked in a supermarket and earnt loads more money but you can put a price on somethings. so if anybody ever asks about or suggests self employed i always say take the plung in the deep end as it puts more doors on the horison and you never know where it ends up. the skys the limit.
I'm not an Easee fanboy, but find the support from the UK office pretty reasonable. They are in trouble with authorities due to claiming to meet RCD standards which are designed for physical RCDs. The regulatory bodies just haven't caught up with electronic RCDs and the same could happen with many other charging products that also use electronic RCDs. Physical RCDs can't reset by themselves whereas electronic ones do etc. Can you imagine how the design would be compromised by having a physical reset switch?
I do think that this install is going to lead to complaints in the future - sharing a 60A lift supply with so many chargers really is poor. I faced the same situation with a 100A landlord supply which supplies a pool heater + other misc stuff. I would not have dreamed of accepting this and have gone through the pain of getting the DNO to quote for upgrading supply to 300A and the reason for why the government grant is so necessary. £500 per partially provisioned space and £850 for each fully provisioned space.
In terms of load balancing, the Optimizer (100A or 500A, single phase or three phase) can use their own proprietary RF to control ONE master, but if you have several circuits then all need to be on WiFi to communicate and I am not aware that load balancing communication beween optimizer and masters goes via the Easee cloud servers.
Matt:e now offer 5 pole breakers with built-in PEN fault protection so that the technology can be integrated into your own cabinets
Cheers Martin 👊 Just so you know we obtained permission from SSEN prior to installing so if they are happy so are we 👍
Think you’ll find they’ve just voided any insurance they may have.
How many electricians does it take to cable tie a cable up to a tray
Three apparently
I thought the grant rules required a minimum supply of 3.6kw to each charge point.
There’s up to 22KW available at each point. Just not all at the same time dependent on load balancing
@@corymacload balancing or diversity?
Cory is FIT!!
That section of wall that you clipped the cables to horizontally, why not tray it?
Time and money
Tray would be quicker than having to clip several individual cables. Also for future expansion it's much quicker if you already have tray installed.
@@Chris-hy6jy
Cutting uni strut, dipping, drilling holes in strut, drilling 2 masonry holes, mounting strut, fitting zebs, cutting tray, dipping, offsets, measuring, metal cable tying with special tool etc etc versus drilling one hole for a D line clip is way faster????
Future expansion? They have already fitted out all parking bays.
@@Jay369 it's a single straight section of tray! Piece of piss!
At the moment Easee is in really bad weather both in Sweden and Norway due to deviations (a handful or two) found by the authorities.
In Sweden they have stoped the sale of the Easee charging robots. Norway and the other EEA countries will probably be following along.
The situation has resultet in tempoary layoff for many of Easee’s employees.
Eek quite scary news, we've just had them all installed! Hopefully there's a big enough installed base to keep them going with future sales if things can get resolved.
Why EV it should be BV ( Battery Vehicle ) it doesn't drive plugged in?
I can confirm Skegness butlins is a hell hole 😂😢
Haven’t those chargers just been banned in Norway?
Whole of the EU because of misleading paperwork. I think they’re working on fixing it asap. I’m not affiliated with them, I just enjoy their product
@@corymac We have them at work, apart from from the odd time they don't lock the cable in when charging they have been perfect.
The Easee Home and Charge are still on the market in Norway and are not banned. There is no ban in effect that applies to the entire EU, however certain countries have preemptively banned the products. The ban will only apply to the entire EU if that is the verdict of the trial in Sweden which is concluded in autumn at the earliest.
The reason the past installers used expanding foam for installation purposes... They where probably fed up of breaking drill bits and unable to mount any hardware? 😂
In some locations in West Virginia is illegal to wash your donkey on Sunday!
What a pain in the ass
I'm sure Jordan would give you his VW electric Transporter for nothing! 😂
It’s a shame they can’t fill one of those storage trays with like 10000 18660 cells and actually make it useful. The leaf is upgradable from 3rd party to double its battery. Maybe a solution will appear by itself in time
28:33 Did I misunderstand? Why do you think it's now super possible that a fire might start? Given that EVs are multiple times less likely to catch fire (assuming good EVSE wiring!) compared to fossil cars sat idle with some components at way over 100°C after a drive.
This kind of chat is what insurers hear and then start imposing stupid limitations on EV charging in underground car parks because they believe the FUD without doing their research.
Ok you explained it at 35:30 but this still seems like FUD spreading. The chance of an EV fire with modern EV batteries is very low. When did you last hear of one in the UK?
Meanwhile, I'm sure our glasses wearing friend Martyn Lee mentioned that an Oxford research group was working on a solution for battery packs that allows fire services to remotely inject some device into the battery pack that drenches the cells in water using far less total water and stops the thermal runaway.
I hear of them as I worked a lot for a EV battery recycling plant in Luton and saw a few burnt out batteries. Might not make the news, but it happens and it’s serious.
A ship transporting EVs is on fire off the coast of Netherlands right now. In no way would I want to live in a building with EVs charging underneath in a underground car park.
Awesome video, very interesting, keep up the awesome work!
Thank you very much!
Fun fact for you about the 101 chargers per circuit. There is another manufacturer that does up to 100 per circuit. Easee went 1 better.
Indeed, Zaptec
as he said go with "what ever you like" so call him What Ever You Like..
Cory your warning regarding Asbestos is not to be ignored - also you should be wearing proper breathing protection - I have known 3 people who have died from asbestosis which can be in your lungs for 30years before it turns into cancer.
LoL @ that tow!
Has anyone met the charging robot?
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
My pleasure 😊
hey cory...how to contact you for career advice?
As a German electrician, I really don't get the thing with inverted cable tray. Shouldn't the cable laying in the cable tray?! 🤔😂 But love your videos.
Everything is done upside down and round the wrong way here in the UK, so my German misses tells me! 🙄
You're getting £850 per bay to install dummy chargers??
Not sure where you got that figure from. It’s not that much for the dummy ones. ( although it wouldn’t be unreasonable with the amount of work and gear needed ).
@@corymac I thought he said the grants worked out to 850 per bay? 15k in grants for the whole job?
Hi Guys let me clarify, there is an EV infrastructure grant of £500 per bay to install infrastructure. If you then install a working charger in that bay instead of a dummy you get another £350 for doing that (£850 total)
@@southcoastev so if you run SWA into 100 bays you get £50k in grants without installing a single working charger? Good to see the government is spending our money wisely! 🤦♂️
can I wire all of the bays off of a single 16A breaker and still get the grant?
Fav vids to watch🎉
I am pretty sure it's 66kw not 660kw since 660,000 watts would pull well over a thousand amps
It is indeed 660kw without the ALM. Potential for 30x22kw chargers.
So when is the new supply going in 60amps per phase isnt going to do it.
They have Easee ALM going in ( active load management. ) on the dedicated supply
@@corymac so it's just a hope that the 30 vehicles never all need charging at the same time.
@@rob19632this is a common assumption to make in most of the electrical field. The more people you have, the more it averages out and you need less total supply.
For example, assume electric showers. They're massive, and if every unit in this complex had one, and you ran them all at the same time, youd probably trip the mains. But its exceedingly unlikely everyone will shower at exactly the same time. Averages out, maximum demand is lower.
Same with EV's. Some will charge during the day, some at night. Either way, no car will charge at 22kW for 8 hours a day, so on average they all still get enough power.
I agree with you about a business coach. I honestly do believe a lot of them are grifters. On a side note, on a recent Artisan episode, Jordan had a meeting with one haha!
Great video as usual Cory. Was there any pushback from the tenants who had to park their cars elsewhere whilst you were doing the work considering majority weren't having an ev charger installed?
When we did it at mine I managed to get unanimous approval from other residents as they realised how good a deal the grant made it - ended up about £65 per nay for enablement work which future proofed the parking space. We agreed to do it in sections so cars could move to free spaces 👍