Dante got that Emperor level Plot armor. He’s got 3 primarchs refusing to let him die. Wouldn’t be surprised that when he actually dies, the emperor just says “no” and brings him back as a Sanguinor type saint
I love that first image of Logan Grimnar you showed. The artist is seriously brilliant. The contrast between the "hot and cold" halves of the image showing his cold steely aspect in contact and in contrast with the fiery demonic axe. The housing cables snaking between his powerpack "connecting" him to the demonic essence of the weapon in more ways than one. That is such a powerful image and I'm not much of a Space Wolves fan.
Logan Grimnar didn't kill just normal Grey Knights, he killed their chapter master so fast that he didn't even react to him, I believe Logan Grimnar can win in the 1v1 fight between him and Abaddon, main reason why Sigismund died he was duelists but space wolves training totally different they train to use their opponents weapon against them
IMO Sigi died because he got old; if he were just a bit younger, he would have killed Abaddon there and then. Even Abaddon claimed so. Age brought Sigismund down to the level of “Ordinary” Captains.
Yes he was. He was considered on the same level as those people. It's in the lore so you can't deny it lil bro. Unless you claim to know more than the lore itself of course.@@Snoopy012
It`s was an exageration in his lore, as for Raldoron or Kharn. Sigismund and Sevataar where the only Tier S. The others where tier 1. In Sigismunds lore says that he was the BEST, that´s it, and Sevataar was the only one able to beat him (in a dishonourable way).@@bombkita
@@bombkita What ever you say. But u don´t get to decide either that an idiot with hardly any lore but a stupid paragraph in the side of a page is as good as Sigismund. Basically, because Sigismunds lore has always said, for years now, that he was THE BEST of all
currently, memphiston is undoubtedly the strongest thing in real space for simply his time stopping ability, he do it soo casually so we dont know his full power yet
cant auto parry when time is frozen and Mephiston can and does mind read his opponents in battle, thereby knowing their planned actions cancelling foresight@@PrinzAquatic
Just a quick nitpick- Dante is the oldest living loyalist Space Marine who isn’t in a Dreadnought. Bjorn The Fell-Handed is older, as he was part of Leman Russ’s retinue during the Horus Heresy- Dante was born sometime later.
@@s4bc Yeah, Bjorn the Fel-Handed fought with Leman, and in fact if you have read the book 'Prospero Burns' you come to find out Bjorn is the Space Wolf the MC was calling "Bear" thru 95% of the book. Although, it could be a *Different* Bjorn considering there was around 80k Space Wolves give or take at the time.
@@thepurplea1925there’s no reason why it would not have been Bjorn the Fell-handed. I think it’s canonically him. They wouldn’t add another character called Bjorn who could well be the Bjorn we know simply to dismiss him as someone different.
There were dozens of better Astartes than Garro during the Great Crusade and HH. Garro is definitely a paragon amongst the Astartes and I can think of very few who were more loyal and resolute than him.
@@nolancavanaugh406 the night lords have really grown on me since I’ve been reading more lore on them. My issue honestly with the night lords is only skin deep , their aesthetic really really looks cheesy to me lol!!! Bay Winged helmets with fangs and a lighting motif ? What were these guys smoking but then again they couldn’t make everyone Blue Or Red :) I won’t say SevTar is the best duelist but he is top 5 for sure. I think that guy from the emperors children has that spot I think he beat them all , all the top guys from the heresy. His name escapes me atm but you know who I am referring too im sure. Lucius that’s it either him or Sigismund are top dog , but sevatar can see the future… then there’s also Kharn. So many good duelists hard to pick a winner.
100%. The Heresy and 40K sometimes seem like they’re not even related, they’re so different. It may have been 40K that originally interested me back in the late 80s, but 30K is infinitely more interesting to me, and is my main focus.
The fact that Sharrowkyn isnt on this list makes my head shake. He ranks right up there with Sigismund, and could very likely beat anyone on this list save maybe Mephiston because that guy can stop time. Although the Raven Guard are often overlooked so I guess it makes sense.
You said “Maybe Mephiston” as if it would be close but everybody knows Dante, Khaldor Draigo, Tyberos the Red Wake, Asterion Moloc, Sigismund and DEFINITELY Mephiston AND Tigurius would shit on Sharrowkyn easily ESPECIALLY if it’s a head on battle no sneak attacks. Sharrow couldn’t even sneak up on Mephiston let alone beat him Lmaoo And let’s not talk about his Primaris Upgrade LOL. Mephiston PRE Primaris and POST still shits on Sharrow
I find Asterean Moloch to be an exception because the Minotaurs Chapter may have leanings toward the Thunder Warriors. If you need a stand out character, Crimson Fists Captain Cortez! Also, Imperial Fists Captain Lysander! (Lysander almost became Chapter Master twice of the Imperial Fists!)
Little corre tion: Tiberius the red wake did not wear terminator armor. He wears modified dreadnought armor cause of his size!!! Small but important difference specially for his foes...
Good list but definitely there are more great Astartes.But i agree with this selection.For me it's Tyberos.The way he talk. and amount of bloodshed...EPIC.
Dante, not being first second or third when you consider he’s lived for 1500 years killed greater demons and hive tyrants, please. Even the Primark considers him the greatest living space marine.
I think you shouldn't include Librarians as they are OP. For example you include Azrael while Ezekiel stated that he could kill Azrael with ease. ‘You must understand a simple fact, Azrael,’ Ezekiel told him, not turning around. ‘I am more powerful than you. My abilities and training have honed me into a creature as far above a Space Marine as you are above a normal man. If I desired it, I could slay you out of hand. I need not even raise my sword to do so.’ And im sure Tigurius could defeat Calgar without to much drama. And Mephiston could probably beat almost every Astartes there is.
Azrael gets so much hate for no reason lol. The guy held his own and could have even killed Kharn in a duel. Thing people always forget with Azrael is that he is a MASTER STRATEGIST. Think Guilliman. He is obviously not the strongest 1 on 1, but using Abaddon the way you did is just plain stupid. Abaddon would EASILY kill most chapter masters out there obviously. He is juiced on chaos power lmao. Your point is "why include this guy when the STRONGEST chaos lord and CHAMPION of CHAOS says he can kill him easily?" Not to mention him saying he could DOESN'T mean he could lol. It's like saying "why include Kharn when Kaldor Draigo says he can kill him easily" It's dumb as fuck lmao.
Sigismund did lose to Kharn once during the Siege of Terra. Kharn only stopped as he viewed Dorn as a sexier prize. (Dorn promptly hit a homerun with Kharn's body, launching him off the Lion spaceport.) In their rubber match, however, Sigismund dominated Kharn and sent his ghost back to the haunted ship. Marneus is powerful, but he too, lost to Abaddon in a very recent and canonical battle. This was Primaris Marneus as well, and Abaddon made very short work of him, leaving only to ensure his ship wouldn't be annihilated by the Aeldari in orbit. The Old Guard of the Astartes were/are all more powerful than more recent champions. There was an old piece of fluff where a demonic entity acknowledged Mephiston as "one of us" after he emerged as the Lord of Death. The implication was that he made a bargain to overcome the Red Thirst, which is why he no longer succumbs to it. That lore has mostly been abandoned, however.
I really want someone to do a top 25 loyalist list. I think it’s more of “tiers” until you get to the top. it’s always mephiston and siggy on top though
these names are not in particular order but for me they're... 1. Nykona Sharrowkyn 2. Kayvaan Shrike 3.Astarion Moloch 4. Priad (featuring: PRINCEPS) 5. Tiberos The Sharkdaddy 6. Azrael 7. Dante 8. Pedro Kantor 9. Sigismund 10. Barabas Dantioch (idk if dreadnought can be added to the list but here's some of them for me) 1. Rylanor 2. The Anchorite 3. Bjorn The Fell-Handed
Maybe im biased, I just love Sevatar. Just the fact that he fought Sigismund in a honor duel for 32 days and he didn't headbutt him because he had no other option he literally head butted him because he was bored and wanted to end the match. He lost by default because he broke the rules and the win was awarded to Sigismund. But even Sigismund himself didn't accept that he had won that fight lol.
@@joesheridan9451 It's a little confusing but I think the distinction is that Mephiston is the only one to fully beat the Black Rage as in it no longer affects him and he doesn't feel it but there are other Blood Angels who are currently afflicted by it and still capable of functioning like Lemartes.
@@consolescrub4031 Honestly it's quite simple. Mephiston is the only one to overcome it, Lemartes is the only one to be lucid enough that they can continue to use him but they still have to seal him away between battles... They are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.
@@joesheridan9451I think there's another guy, Rafen or something like that who got around it with shenanigans involving the Spear of Telesto and killing Sanguinius reborn but Mephiston is definitely the most famous one and the inspiration for the blood angels.
Tbh Though I get the Minotaurs are widely unpopular, I don’t really think it’s debatable that Moloch IS the most powerful Astartes, considering a NAMED high ranking Custodes(a group known for their confidence and superiority complex) out right said that he believed the only two people who could hope to beat Moloch were Gulliman himself, and Valoris, the leader of the Custodes. With him still not being 100% positive about the latter’s chances.
Not listing Nathaniel Garro on this list is crazy. You ask me, I believe he beats out Azrael at least in regards to pure skill. And in terms of pure fighting prowess and leadership, I do believe that Dante deserves to be ranked higher on the list. Just my opinion.
Good list, but I think the following astartes deserve consideration: Corswain Farith Redloss Raldoron Akurduana Hector Thrain Nathaniel Garro Endryd Haar Nykona Sharrowkyn Dio Promus Bodvar Bjarki
You do know that during the Siege of Terra Abbadon actively avoided Sigusmund because he knew if they met that Sigusmund would have beaten him. And we also have the fact that Mephiston got beat by Abbadon in a recent book.
None of those would survive ALONE in the warp fighting all manner of daemons, Greater daemons and Daemon Princes for the last 100 years except Kaldor Drago
On pure power its caldor draigo. Mans attacking the chaos gods in their own reality in the warp by himself but also its kind of iffy if grey knights count as space marines seeing as they all have a piece of magnus' soul in them.
Have it on both hardback and audio book....he could totally have killed Khan but most likely would have died in the process (his own words) come on dude....still a better outcome than most get against the betrayer....i feel sorry for the demon manipulating him though....@@s4bc Also is that enough validation for you ? *shakes head*
should've split the list into 4, to make it make sense 1. split Horus Heresy/40k era 2. split psykers/nonpsykers because... are you SERIOUSLY suggesting someone like Sevatar wouldn't whoop the ass of someone like Calgar or Azrael, with ease?
No. Any of these guys would mop the floor with Titus. Titus is good but these guys are legends among legends. If he were to fight say Sigusmund the fight would be over extremely quickly.
I think Those chaos primarchs actually became weaker after becoming demon. they're always beaten by lower beings and some of them are even brought to knees by abandon 😂😂😂.
Errr... Logan Grimnar is a darn good fighter and all, but he did not banish Angron. He was in the battle that saw Angron Banished, but it was not his deed.
If Sigisimund is in there that the whole list that follows is fisher price level shitters.... 30K characters went through absolute hell. 1. Sigisimund 2. Corswain 3. Nassar Amit - Redwake is a poundland / dollar tree flesh tearer 4. Polux 5. Shiban Khan 6. Qin Xa 7. Raldoron 8. Loken 9. Garro 10. Lettu
FYI my friend you can mention in complain about the head butt being a cheap move but what homeboy learned that day is ... The only thing that matters in a fight is who's standing in the end! This is why anybody who follows the dogmatic view of the codex astartes will forever be hindered by it because it will forbid you to do certain things where is your enemy has cast those rules aside and is willing to do whatever to secure victory that is the difference between who will win a battle and who will lose a battle which side is willing to go further than the other if you're going to draw a line you will almost always certainly lose especially against an enemy that is willing to cross it... This is why you didn't add the heretics to the list 😂 because you know if you were to add them to the same list they would almost all beat the good guys because they are willing to go further than them the only thing that good guys have in their favour are numbers bad guys are almost always more powerful this is why there are so many chapters
As a dark angels fanboy...i disagree with Azrael being on pair with Dante and Draigo...i mean bro is strong...but...cmon... He has other power...such as complete authority over the unforgiving...and thats basicly a legion size spacemarine army.
In shadow of throne part 2, captain Valoris, champion of the custodes states the only 2 people who could possibly beat Asterion Moloc are Gulliman, now also the lion obviously and Valoris the captain General of Custodes. Apart from that he knows no one that could beat him. Quite a statement and coming from a champion custodian.
We never got Valoris's point of view of Moloc, we got Valerian. Valerian stated that Moloc gave off the strongest stench of violence, not that he was the strongest, Trajann Valoris would floor Moloc.
In the final chapter Valerian states it very clearly. And bot disputing valoris would win, however even Valerian stated that he would in all probability but not a certainty. Meaning evenbif valoris be the likely winner it wouldn't be easy or even a definitive
@@DP-dd6hl he says in all probability because Custodes take things logically, there could be a freak accident, it's not that Moloc is that big of a threat.
@@Ancient_Awaits clearly he is if Valerian states only the primarch and probably valoris are the only two that could defeat him. As he said , Gulliman with all certainty. 100% would win. Valoris in all probability, meaning most likely but not for sure. That alone speaks volumes.
He's pretty good given he had a decent shot against Kharn the Betrayer (he didn't take it as he wasn't entirely confident in surviving it and thought his survival was of greater benefit than Kharn's death. Considering how Khorne cheats to bring him back, I think he made the right choice). Besides Arkos was no slouch either, his title was the Scion of Alpharius and he served as their equerry during the Horus Heresy. He was powerful enough to lead a despoiler class battleship (a certain adorable primarch was lost trying to storm one of those) and had a daemonic weapon. I think he was also getting some pretty massive chaos boosts in the battle while Azrael was fighting one-handed due to trying to hold up his standard at the same time (whether this was a good idea can be debated but you have to admit he was fighting with a massive handicap). When they finally got Arkos he managed to kill a master of a second founding Dark angels successor in a duel before he got one-shot by an interrogator chaplain.
Dante got that Emperor level Plot armor. He’s got 3 primarchs refusing to let him die. Wouldn’t be surprised that when he actually dies, the emperor just says “no” and brings him back as a Sanguinor type saint
He's a nice subversion of the Mary Sue troupe. He is unstoppable but just wants to die.
"Yeah right retirement isn't an option, get back to work"
*wakes up*
Sanguinius, Roboute, and who’s the third??
@@joeblack2809 the lion, maybe... I don't know mom
"Application for retirement denied." Big E
Kor'sarro Khan deserves a honourable mention. The man is the head head hunter for the White Scars.
And still has no model on bike
@@timostegemann9738Criminal that is btw...
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer..not criminal, just flat dumb.
Was gonna mention Siban khan. Guy was legendary
its criminal that White Scars are so underrated (underrepresented)
I love that first image of Logan Grimnar you showed. The artist is seriously brilliant. The contrast between the "hot and cold" halves of the image showing his cold steely aspect in contact and in contrast with the fiery demonic axe. The housing cables snaking between his powerpack "connecting" him to the demonic essence of the weapon in more ways than one.
That is such a powerful image and I'm not much of a Space Wolves fan.
Logan Grimnar didn't kill just normal Grey Knights, he killed their chapter master so fast that he didn't even react to him, I believe Logan Grimnar can win in the 1v1 fight between him and Abaddon, main reason why Sigismund died he was duelists but space wolves training totally different they train to use their opponents weapon against them
The chapter master who's currently in the Warp fighting God Emperor knows what?
@@terminallove3531Grey Knights have 8 chapter masters, but Kaldor Draigo is above all of them, he is supreme chapter master
IMO Sigi died because he got old; if he were just a bit younger, he would have killed Abaddon there and then. Even Abaddon claimed so. Age brought Sigismund down to the level of “Ordinary” Captains.
@@n0hesitati0n15shouldn't that mean Dante would be weak because he's so old?
@@kitkun7669 Not anymore, Dante crossed the Rubricon Primaris. So he’s basically rejuvenated, I think he almost died on the table during the procedure
I would also recommend Corswain of the Dark Angels during the Horus Heresy, the guy was near Sigismund level.
No he wasn´t. Sevataar and Sigismund where on another level.
Yes he was. He was considered on the same level as those people. It's in the lore so you can't deny it lil bro. Unless you claim to know more than the lore itself of course.@@Snoopy012
It`s was an exageration in his lore, as for Raldoron or Kharn. Sigismund and Sevataar where the only Tier S. The others where tier 1. In Sigismunds lore says that he was the BEST, that´s it, and Sevataar was the only one able to beat him (in a dishonourable way).@@bombkita
YOU don't get to say what is an exaggeration or not, that is YOUR opinion!@@Snoopy012
@@bombkita What ever you say. But u don´t get to decide either that an idiot with hardly any lore but a stupid paragraph in the side of a page is as good as Sigismund. Basically, because Sigismunds lore has always said, for years now, that he was THE BEST of all
currently, memphiston is undoubtedly the strongest thing in real space for simply his time stopping ability, he do it soo casually so we dont know his full power yet
I agree totally, even almost all the primarchs would die against him.
@@kennethquinnies6023 especially primarch without foreseight ability like sanguinius and konrad, and maybe lion for his passive auto parry ability
cant auto parry when time is frozen and Mephiston can and does mind read his opponents in battle, thereby knowing their planned actions cancelling foresight@@PrinzAquatic
Necrons already have the time manipulation bullshit, I'd reckon those bastards have someone that would whoop anyone in the materium.
I think more powerful psyker Primarchs could probably counter this to some extent. One of the few times Lorgar could actually useful
Just a quick nitpick- Dante is the oldest living loyalist Space Marine who isn’t in a Dreadnought. Bjorn The Fell-Handed is older, as he was part of Leman Russ’s retinue during the Horus Heresy- Dante was born sometime later.
Hate to nitpick your nitpick; but even the Dreadnaughts consider themselves to have "died" before being interned into the honor.
8500 years later?
@@s4bc Yeah, Bjorn the Fel-Handed fought with Leman, and in fact if you have read the book 'Prospero Burns' you come to find out Bjorn is the Space Wolf the MC was calling "Bear" thru 95% of the book.
Although, it could be a *Different* Bjorn considering there was around 80k Space Wolves give or take at the time.
@@thepurplea1925there’s no reason why it would not have been Bjorn the Fell-handed. I think it’s canonically him. They wouldn’t add another character called Bjorn who could well be the Bjorn we know simply to dismiss him as someone different.
Was expecting captain Titus , sharrowkyn or Nathaniel garrow but the list sounds pretty solid
While Garrow was a very IMPORTANT character, he wasn't overly powerful. He was pretty much known as a regular line officer.
Garo
There were dozens of better Astartes than Garro during the Great Crusade and HH. Garro is definitely a paragon amongst the Astartes and I can think of very few who were more loyal and resolute than him.
Sharrowkyn is a fantastic shout, dude was an absolute badass.
Corswain?
Pollux , Dantioch , Lucius , Sevatar , Garro , Ahriman, Sigismund , helbrecht, Calgar , Bayard.. to name a few. Definitely contenders
U forgot Cato 😅🤣🤣🤣
Sevatar is the greatest duelist of all time. Him & sigismund had a 32 day duel which ended when sevatar got bored & head butted sigismund
@@nolancavanaugh406 the night lords have really grown on me since I’ve been reading more lore on them. My issue honestly with the night lords is only skin deep , their aesthetic really really looks cheesy to me lol!!! Bay Winged helmets with fangs and a lighting motif ? What were these guys smoking but then again they couldn’t make everyone Blue Or Red :) I won’t say SevTar is the best duelist but he is top 5 for sure. I think that guy from the emperors children has that spot I think he beat them all , all the top guys from the heresy. His name escapes me atm but you know who I am referring too im sure. Lucius that’s it either him or Sigismund are top dog , but sevatar can see the future… then there’s also Kharn. So many good duelists hard to pick a winner.
Talos
He said no traitors, another video for them
Sharrowkin and Janus are pretty OP too.
But…if all of them join forces they might stand a chance against Sly Marbo.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Yea. Doesn't Sharrowkin actually defeat Lucius the Eternal without being "pridy" as the Indians would say?
Yes, Nykona Sharrowkyn is very good fighter.
Sly solos easy
@@InterrogatorchaplainAsmodaiAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
I honestly think you should do a separate list for Great Crusade/Heresy era and 40k
Totally agree with you. Different eras, different challenges, different ways that they were waging war. Great point.
100%. The Heresy and 40K sometimes seem like they’re not even related, they’re so different. It may have been 40K that originally interested me back in the late 80s, but 30K is infinitely more interesting to me, and is my main focus.
Great list, another honorable mention is Helbricht. On top of his genius level tactical intellect he has many impressive combat feats.
Doesnt he got whooped his ass from a necron on a snow Planet?
The fact that Sharrowkyn isnt on this list makes my head shake. He ranks right up there with Sigismund, and could very likely beat anyone on this list save maybe Mephiston because that guy can stop time.
Although the Raven Guard are often overlooked so I guess it makes sense.
He's not beating any psyker on this list my G
Of course they're overlooked, their specialty is not being seen after all.
You said “Maybe Mephiston” as if it would be close but everybody knows Dante, Khaldor Draigo, Tyberos the Red Wake, Asterion Moloc, Sigismund and DEFINITELY Mephiston AND Tigurius would shit on Sharrowkyn easily ESPECIALLY if it’s a head on battle no sneak attacks.
Sharrow couldn’t even sneak up on Mephiston let alone beat him Lmaoo
And let’s not talk about his Primaris Upgrade LOL. Mephiston PRE Primaris and POST still shits on Sharrow
Good list, I have Grimaldi‘s on there however. You should do a 30 K a list. Guys like Garro, Corswain, tal, Lokken, etc.
I find Asterean Moloch to be an exception because the Minotaurs Chapter may have leanings toward the Thunder Warriors. If you need a stand out character, Crimson Fists Captain Cortez! Also, Imperial Fists Captain Lysander! (Lysander almost became Chapter Master twice of the Imperial Fists!)
Little corre tion: Tiberius the red wake did not wear terminator armor. He wears modified dreadnought armor cause of his size!!! Small but important difference specially for his foes...
Vulkan He'Stan is an Honourable Mention IMO... Maybe a pt 2 of this should be put out!?
Fr, i was expecting him to be here
why? He’s done nothing in the lore to suggest he’s that powerful
Good list but definitely there are more great Astartes.But i agree with this selection.For me it's Tyberos.The way he talk. and amount of bloodshed...EPIC.
Dante!!! No. 1, outlive his death he'll never die until someone says so.
Dante, not being first second or third when you consider he’s lived for 1500 years killed greater demons and hive tyrants, please. Even the Primark considers him the greatest living space marine.
he is not allowed to die XD
Seriously Dante is the strongest space marine no question, followed by Mephiston. He’s just straight up op
@@Cyd99Siege of Terra Sigusmund would wipe the floor with Dante.
He the strongest even when chapters come together they all agree Dante is in charge.
I think you shouldn't include Librarians as they are OP.
For example you include Azrael while Ezekiel stated that he could kill Azrael with ease.
‘You must understand a simple fact, Azrael,’ Ezekiel told him, not turning around. ‘I am more powerful than you. My abilities and training have honed me into a creature as far above a Space Marine as you are above a normal man. If I desired it, I could slay you out of hand. I need not even raise my sword to do so.’
And im sure Tigurius could defeat Calgar without to much drama. And Mephiston could probably beat almost every Astartes there is.
Azrael gets so much hate for no reason lol. The guy held his own and could have even killed Kharn in a duel. Thing people always forget with Azrael is that he is a MASTER STRATEGIST. Think Guilliman. He is obviously not the strongest 1 on 1, but using Abaddon the way you did is just plain stupid. Abaddon would EASILY kill most chapter masters out there obviously. He is juiced on chaos power lmao. Your point is "why include this guy when the STRONGEST chaos lord and CHAMPION of CHAOS says he can kill him easily?" Not to mention him saying he could DOESN'T mean he could lol. It's like saying "why include Kharn when Kaldor Draigo says he can kill him easily" It's dumb as fuck lmao.
You're onto,a winner with this format.
You're guaranteed loads of comments!
"Umm actually, you forgot so and so"
Revuel Arvida - Janus. First Grand Master of the grey knights and a living piece of shard of Magnus. OP as all hell.
Awesome list ! I would've liked to have seen High Marshal Helbrecht on here❤
I think he take one character from each chapter and Sigy was in the video
I know that Ragnar Blackmane is kinda young... but that guy is a contender for sure.
Sigismund did lose to Kharn once during the Siege of Terra. Kharn only stopped as he viewed Dorn as a sexier prize. (Dorn promptly hit a homerun with Kharn's body, launching him off the Lion spaceport.) In their rubber match, however, Sigismund dominated Kharn and sent his ghost back to the haunted ship.
Marneus is powerful, but he too, lost to Abaddon in a very recent and canonical battle. This was Primaris Marneus as well, and Abaddon made very short work of him, leaving only to ensure his ship wouldn't be annihilated by the Aeldari in orbit. The Old Guard of the Astartes were/are all more powerful than more recent champions.
There was an old piece of fluff where a demonic entity acknowledged Mephiston as "one of us" after he emerged as the Lord of Death. The implication was that he made a bargain to overcome the Red Thirst, which is why he no longer succumbs to it. That lore has mostly been abandoned, however.
I really want someone to do a top 25 loyalist list. I think it’s more of “tiers” until you get to the top. it’s always mephiston and siggy on top though
I feel Pedro Kantor could be in the list of the top 20 to be honest. He is incredible.
these names are not in particular order but for me they're...
1. Nykona Sharrowkyn
2. Kayvaan Shrike
3.Astarion Moloch
4. Priad (featuring: PRINCEPS)
5. Tiberos The Sharkdaddy
6. Azrael
7. Dante
8. Pedro Kantor
9. Sigismund
10. Barabas Dantioch
(idk if dreadnought can be added to the list but here's some of them for me)
1. Rylanor
2. The Anchorite
3. Bjorn The Fell-Handed
Great channel man,keep it up;
Niall Stormcaller calling up his friend Tigirius “how you and Mephi get on this list but not me?!?!”
Great list buddy
Sevetar SLAMMMSSSSS💀💀
I don't know why I'm a Dante fanboy, maybe because I think he's a cool and unstoppable old man.
I second that! As a DANTE fanboy myself!! lol
Maybe im biased, I just love Sevatar. Just the fact that he fought Sigismund in a honor duel for 32 days and he didn't headbutt him because he had no other option he literally head butted him because he was bored and wanted to end the match. He lost by default because he broke the rules and the win was awarded to Sigismund. But even Sigismund himself didn't accept that he had won that fight lol.
Mephiston for the win. He can probably one shot all of these when he steps outside of time.
Potentially yes. Excluding Draigo.
And Abbadon given the fact that in a recent novel Abbadon stomped Mephiston.
@bittercad1137 what novel?
It is rumoured that Varro Tigurius has Malcador the Sigilite's force staff.
Sevetar was a non corrupted and wemt toe to toe with sigismund.
Maybe the strongest one
Callistarius isnt the only BA thats overcome the black rage...However, hes the only BA to overcome it TWICE
He is the only one to overcome it period…
@@joesheridan9451 It's a little confusing but I think the distinction is that Mephiston is the only one to fully beat the Black Rage as in it no longer affects him and he doesn't feel it but there are other Blood Angels who are currently afflicted by it and still capable of functioning like Lemartes.
@@consolescrub4031 Honestly it's quite simple. Mephiston is the only one to overcome it, Lemartes is the only one to be lucid enough that they can continue to use him but they still have to seal him away between battles... They are the only 2 exceptions to the rule.
@@joesheridan9451I think there's another guy, Rafen or something like that who got around it with shenanigans involving the Spear of Telesto and killing Sanguinius reborn but Mephiston is definitely the most famous one and the inspiration for the blood angels.
Loken, Garrow?
Tbh Though I get the Minotaurs are widely unpopular, I don’t really think it’s debatable that Moloch IS the most powerful Astartes, considering a NAMED high ranking Custodes(a group known for their confidence and superiority complex) out right said that he believed the only two people who could hope to beat Moloch were Gulliman himself, and Valoris, the leader of the Custodes. With him still not being 100% positive about the latter’s chances.
Там было не так.
Он сказал что эти двое единственные кого он знает, способные его одолеть.
Он ничего не говорил про неуверенность в Траяне Валорисе
Lesmartes also fought back the black rage
Amazing video !
Barely hanging on to his sanity.
Not listing Nathaniel Garro on this list is crazy. You ask me, I believe he beats out Azrael at least in regards to pure skill. And in terms of pure fighting prowess and leadership, I do believe that Dante deserves to be ranked higher on the list. Just my opinion.
FYI: There was no ranking.. this is an un-ordered list (he said at the start)
Good list, but I think the following astartes deserve consideration:
Corswain
Farith Redloss
Raldoron
Akurduana
Hector Thrain
Nathaniel Garro
Endryd Haar
Nykona Sharrowkyn
Dio Promus
Bodvar Bjarki
FOR THE ALGORITHM!!!
Any recommendations of books describing the early imperium when it was expanding pre heresy?
Disrespectful as hell not to put The Red Wake in the thumbnail
Heresy that Nykona Sharrowkyn isn’t at least a notable mention
Haven’t watched yet but this list should just be psykers imo: mephiston and ahriman (if you’re doing traitor astartes)
Edit: forgot about grey knights
Dante is my 2nd favourite BA...behind only Nassir Amit. Mephiston is my 3rd favourite...
Where did sigismund face these trials when he fought 200 amd a dreadnought... what book is this from?
1. Mephiston
2. Dante
3. Sigismund
4. Azrael
5. Marneus Calgar
6. Logan Grimnar
7. Kaldor Draigo
8. Vario Tigurius
9. Moloch
10. Tyberos
This is better but still, Azrael shouldn’t be that high. And I’m painting him right now.
You do know that during the Siege of Terra Abbadon actively avoided Sigusmund because he knew if they met that Sigusmund would have beaten him.
And we also have the fact that Mephiston got beat by Abbadon in a recent book.
None of those would survive ALONE in the warp fighting all manner of daemons, Greater daemons and Daemon Princes for the last 100 years except Kaldor Drago
What was tyberos's battle barge called again? 😂
What is that cover art? I have never see that one before.
startin with the one and only Champion
2 ultramarines 2 blood Angels in this top. It was expected
Its frustrating when Arichman isn't on these list when is very powerful
I’m assuming you missed the others as they are chaos now,, otherwise Abaddon, Lucius and sevatar (however it’s spelled) kharn even
On pure power its caldor draigo. Mans attacking the chaos gods in their own reality in the warp by himself but also its kind of iffy if grey knights count as space marines seeing as they all have a piece of magnus' soul in them.
2 ultramarines and 2 blood angels. Yup best legions.
Facts although I love the salamanders next after the blood angels
Sigismand is probably the most skilled here
"This isn't a ranking"
#1 Sigismund
I'm good with this already.
Wheres Sevatar :(
No traitors bub.
Maybe he is not, loyal to his primarch and not corrupted
Loken, Garro, Talos, Saul Tarvits, Fafnir Rann.
Way more 30K era dudes belong here.
Where are the dreadnoughts? Dante maybe 1100, but there's Bjorn Fell Handed, who hung with Leman Russ and actually met the Emperor.
Hmmm if your talking about the strongest ever, I feel like Sharrowkin should at least be in the top 3 👀
Sigismund taking down two companies of marines and a dreadnought just seems a little ridiculous. What makes this guy so strong?
He was the first emperors champion and greatest swordsman among spacemarines not counting anything primarily level or higher
Where is Nykona Sharowkin?
and Helbrecht?
Azrael beating Kharn one on one has to be noted, and now he is rubicron boi he could probably smash him...
He didnt beat him tho, he ran..
I think you have to read that book again, if you ever read it.
Have it on both hardback and audio book....he could totally have killed Khan but most likely would have died in the process (his own words) come on dude....still a better outcome than most get against the betrayer....i feel sorry for the demon manipulating him though....@@s4bc Also is that enough validation for you ? *shakes head*
Who think he is... Draigo?
YOU DO NOT SEE TYBEROS
Greetings from the future.
Endymion deserves a mention though
Phalanx is small moon size. In BFGA is waaay to small compare to other ships. It has ober 150 km
I like both Dante and Kalgar.
should've split the list into 4, to make it make sense
1. split Horus Heresy/40k era
2. split psykers/nonpsykers
because... are you SERIOUSLY suggesting someone like Sevatar wouldn't whoop the ass of someone like Calgar or Azrael, with ease?
How about "top 10 most famous space marine in ultramarine "
Why is no one talking about....... Sanguinius......... being the strongest marine/primarch EVER. Those wings though😮killer🤌💯 😂😂😂😂 🫡🇺🇸🫡
Its only about marines
You’re new around here aren’t you?
Load Draigo!!!! My Supreme Grand Master!!!!
Kaldor is basically primarch level.
Soon Titus will be among them
No. Any of these guys would mop the floor with Titus.
Titus is good but these guys are legends among legends. If he were to fight say Sigusmund the fight would be over extremely quickly.
I think Those chaos primarchs actually became weaker after becoming demon. they're always beaten by lower beings and some of them are even brought to knees by abandon 😂😂😂.
Errr... Logan Grimnar is a darn good fighter and all, but he did not banish Angron. He was in the battle that saw Angron Banished, but it was not his deed.
You forgot Malum Caedo lol
If Sigisimund is in there that the whole list that follows is fisher price level shitters.... 30K characters went through absolute hell.
1. Sigisimund
2. Corswain
3. Nassar Amit - Redwake is a poundland / dollar tree flesh tearer
4. Polux
5. Shiban Khan
6. Qin Xa
7. Raldoron
8. Loken
9. Garro
10. Lettu
No Malum Caedo?
Amalrich, Raldoron, Sevatar
FYI my friend you can mention in complain about the head butt being a cheap move but what homeboy learned that day is ... The only thing that matters in a fight is who's standing in the end! This is why anybody who follows the dogmatic view of the codex astartes will forever be hindered by it because it will forbid you to do certain things where is your enemy has cast those rules aside and is willing to do whatever to secure victory that is the difference between who will win a battle and who will lose a battle which side is willing to go further than the other if you're going to draw a line you will almost always certainly lose especially against an enemy that is willing to cross it... This is why you didn't add the heretics to the list 😂 because you know if you were to add them to the same list they would almost all beat the good guys because they are willing to go further than them the only thing that good guys have in their favour are numbers bad guys are almost always more powerful this is why there are so many chapters
3:43😮
"held his own against fulgrim" yeah nah mate.
Where’s Malum Caedo
Here questioning why titus is not here
Because 40k won't stop at Space marines games
Idk I feel like Bjorn should be up there but idk
an inedible mark on history? guess you cant eat this part of history lol
As a dark angels fanboy...i disagree with Azrael being on pair with Dante and Draigo...i mean bro is strong...but...cmon...
He has other power...such as complete authority over the unforgiving...and thats basicly a legion size spacemarine army.
In shadow of throne part 2, captain Valoris, champion of the custodes states the only 2 people who could possibly beat Asterion Moloc are Gulliman, now also the lion obviously and Valoris the captain General of Custodes.
Apart from that he knows no one that could beat him.
Quite a statement and coming from a champion custodian.
We never got Valoris's point of view of Moloc, we got Valerian. Valerian stated that Moloc gave off the strongest stench of violence, not that he was the strongest, Trajann Valoris would floor Moloc.
In the final chapter Valerian states it very clearly. And bot disputing valoris would win, however even Valerian stated that he would in all probability but not a certainty. Meaning evenbif valoris be the likely winner it wouldn't be easy or even a definitive
@@DP-dd6hl he says in all probability because Custodes take things logically, there could be a freak accident, it's not that Moloc is that big of a threat.
@@Ancient_Awaits clearly he is if Valerian states only the primarch and probably valoris are the only two that could defeat him. As he said , Gulliman with all certainty. 100% would win.
Valoris in all probability, meaning most likely but not for sure. That alone speaks volumes.
@@DP-dd6hl Do you have an excerpt then? Cause it sounds like you're talking out your ass.
No Helbrecht? I'm sure the Stormlord would disagree.
He’s not even the best melee combatant in the black templars right now.
they all would loose against Jurgen and his melter!
Azrael almost died to Arkos, I don't think he is too skilled
He's pretty good given he had a decent shot against Kharn the Betrayer (he didn't take it as he wasn't entirely confident in surviving it and thought his survival was of greater benefit than Kharn's death. Considering how Khorne cheats to bring him back, I think he made the right choice). Besides Arkos was no slouch either, his title was the Scion of Alpharius and he served as their equerry during the Horus Heresy. He was powerful enough to lead a despoiler class battleship (a certain adorable primarch was lost trying to storm one of those) and had a daemonic weapon. I think he was also getting some pretty massive chaos boosts in the battle while Azrael was fighting one-handed due to trying to hold up his standard at the same time (whether this was a good idea can be debated but you have to admit he was fighting with a massive handicap). When they finally got Arkos he managed to kill a master of a second founding Dark angels successor in a duel before he got one-shot by an interrogator chaplain.
Ragnar Blackmane?
Malum Caedo :D