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Please Please Please react to Sonic 3! I badly want to watch video where you give your therapist opinion/analysis about the character Shadow. There is so much I see in the Character that reflects what I'm going through in life. Such as with loss of friendship, pain it causes and what it does to someone over several years.
In my honest opinion, Stolas and Octavia being separated is tragic, but it's also needed. I like to think Stolas has been sheltering Octavia from some things such as arranged marriages and bad parts of the Goetia. Now that Stolas won't be around, Octavia will be exposed to those things, which will give her a better understanding of her father. And perhaps this separation will help her grow into her own power instead of leaning on her fathers and develop some independence. After all, baby birds got to leave the nest at some point.
Something I don't see enough people talking about is the fact that Via is absolutely, brutally correct in the confrontation with Stolas. 1. "You lied to me" Yes, he did. But not in the way she thinks. The lie was that she is a normal girl with a normal family, normal life, and normal parents with a normal relationship. Stolas put so much effort into fostering this lie that it's shattered her trust in him now that it's blown up. 2. "We were never enough for you!" Right again. And nobody should be forced to stay in a hostile, loveless, abusive situation. Stolas has a right to happiness as well, but because of the Big Lie, it hits Via harder. 3. "Was it my fault that you needed these?" .... she's not wrong. Because the brutal truth is that while *Stella* was the abuser, Stolas only stayed, coped, and masked the harm for Octavia. Indirectly, it's not her *fault* but she *is* one cause. Stolas was so desperate for her to have a better childhood than he did that he didn't divorce Stella when he CLEARLY should have. 4. "So you just stayed miserable because of me? Was I some fking obligation?" And there it is, the blunt, devastating truth. Because it is the truth. He did stay miserable because of her. She gave him some happiness but she can't and shouldn't be his only source of fulfillment and joy. And *yes*, the Big Lie unmasked. She WAS an obligation. Neither of her parents had a say in having her. She was a *requirement*, when they were no older than she is now. That should have been gently explained to her by Stolas years ago, followed by "but just because you were expected of me doesn't mean I don't love you. " Stolas' big error in the confrontation is that he is STILL trying to shield her from the truth that she has already FIGURED OUT. That's why she wouldn't listen to him. If he had engaged her honestly and spoken the truth as well, she would still be sad and probably angry.... but her trust in him might have been preserved in some small way.
What's sad is the closest he came to have an honest conversation with her was all the way back in Loo Loo Land, he nearly finally spilled the beans about their family situation, but he stopped himself as he just couldn't find the words, and we can add an extra layer of sadness when realizing abuse victims like him will legit struggle to get that out, that it took him being hungover and depressed at the start of Season 2 to finally stand up to Stella, but still struggling to say a word to Octavia until it was too late.
Via's life is not just "not normal" as you described, she lived a sheltered life with no friends or anyone else but her parents and servants to interact with (her uncle too probably but they don't seem close enough). She lived in luxury and with barely any interaction with the world outside her home. Octavia didn't learn to deal with such complex issues. She is right as you said, but she reads the situation at face value.
Stolas had an obligation to marry Stella, have a child and raise her, but he didn't have an obligation to love Via, which he did, so much so he tried to protect her from the truth of his marriage for her to have a normal life, but that ended up backfiring.
I think people forget and don't realize how big of a deal the Azathoth's tears thing from seeing stars was. On top of everything else going on and Octavia clearly suffering from some kind of issues regarding insecurity and/or anxiety, it's not weird she's not acting completely rational.
100%! For those of us who have had similar issues to Via, I think the reaction from a lot of people was actually quite hurtful, because it showed just how many people fundamentally don't get it, and often, don't even try to understand. You can really tell who's parents were either happily married or amicably divorced. Personally, she is one of my favourite characters, alongside Loona, because the way Viv wrote their personalities and how they reacted to their upbringings feels so genuine, much like Angel Dust in Hazbin Hotel. I understand why those who can't relate to them don't like them, but I think they're incredible
Realising your parent has been utterly miserable for years but endured it in order to give you a picture of a proper family is such a heavy burden even for an adult, let alone a teenager. Plus, teenagers have a tendency to be kind of self-centered due to how focused they are on their inner thoughts and feelings at that age. It's a stage of becoming an adult that you eventually outgrow.
Not even just teenagers, but everyone can, and deserves to a degree, to be selfish when it comes to family dynamics or dynamics with loved and cherished ones because it is personal and it does effect your life. There's just more layers as a dependent and more likely to have less experience to draw upon.
Super important to note that the opposite of love isn't hate. She can hate (I say hate even though she's closer to just being angry) Stolas all she wants, but it means she still cares deeply. Same with Stella (though her 'caring' is more just from trying to get Stolas mad)
Octavia is grieving. She's confused, she's hurt, but she still loves her Dad. She took his pills to him likely to have the episode's end conversation with him, but on her own terms. Instead, she had to save her dad's life when he went to see her, and that conversation came after a very heated fight. She's living with Stella and Ice-Bird now. She's going to see first hand why Stolas was as miserable as he was. it's going to take some time, she has to figure things out, but I think she WILL figure them out, and she will be willing to hear him out and take him back into her life. This is Helluva Boss, so it'll be a good while before it happens, but I'm confident she'll want him back someday.
100% you are totally right imo, She realized all of these horrible truths because she is clever, perceptive, and in search of the truth. She will still be clever, perceptive, and search for truth even if Stolas is not around." Many people only realize how much of a burden they were when they have children and see how difficult and stressful it is, but then they also see clearly that they still love their child unconditionally.
I totally get where Octavia's coming from. Time and time again, Stolas has chosen Blitzø over her, and with how messy her homelife and Stolas and Stella's divorce is, it makes sense she'd assume she's part of of his misery, that she's part of the problem, especially after finding the anti-depressants. I'm sure she'll come around.
It's also very common for kids of divorced parents to blame themselves. So a lot of Via'd outburst is likely self hatred. She thinks she caused it all and probably thinks it would be better if she wasn't born. It's very very wrong, but she's not thinking clearly because she's hurt. Those times are the most dangerous and can lead to self harm (for birds, usually feather plucking) and she needs someone to watch over her and care for her that isn't her parents for now. Like a group of friends while she processes
I feel that' unfair to say. Stolas has never chosen Blitz _over Octavia._ He's chosen Blitz over Stella, and the abusive home situation he was facing. But every time Octavia has needed him (and sometimes when she didn't, LooLoo Land), he's dropped everything to go see her. The problem is she's still young and immature, she thinks every obstacle standing in Stolas' way is a choice made by him, and that is false.
@@MrBern-ex3wq Really because last time I remember Stolas was constantly thirsting over Blitz at LooLoo, making octavia very uncomfortable Or seeing stars Stolas ignore Octavia to argue with Stella over the phone and then get distracted by watching blitz do a comedy show instead of looking for Octavia, also I don't think it was Stolas who ended up finding her any way.
Children who were abandoned don't look at Via as wrong, we hurt for her, we will for her because we understand. We look at Stolas and cry because he should have told her. It is a reminder of our childhoods and having to freeze off everything and one before they could hurt us.
This isn't universal. Which is probably obvious, but I think it's important to make sure folks know there's no one, correct way to feel about something you've experienced. I find Octavia harder to sympathize with than Stolas in this. Which is bias based on my own issues with abandonment. And that's not to say I don't feel for her or think her feelings aren't valid. I think people turn a lot of very messy issues in fiction into binary problems where people are expected to pick sides. Especially with very human stuff like this where you start seeing hurt feelings since this is something A LOT of people have personal experience with they feel strongly about.
@@PennyxXxDreadful of course! Everyone feels and inputs their situation differently. That is just how I felt and responded after my childhood and watching the episode.
A lot of the negativity towards Octavia I've seen seems to come from a lack of understanding of what being stuck between fighting parents your whole life does to you. The feeling of being trapped, surrounded by constant fighting (sometimes physical), the constant hatred and vitriol. Everything is used as a weapon by one parent against the other. Even what you choose to wear or eat, or how you're doing at school can be used as a weapon. Nothing you say or do is ever private. So you basically try to become as unnoticeable and unremarkable as possible. You also shut out others and avoid making friends because the idea of them getting caught up in the conflict is horrific, and most people don't want to be within a thousand miles of your drama anyway. You just live life in a time loop until something finally breaks, and I'm so glad Octavia finally reached that point. Now she can slowly start to figure out who she is and what she wants, without waiting for Stolas to figure his mess out first
YES. And the whole rant Georgia had at the begining about "Don't use your children as weapons!". It is so, SO true. But, so SO many people still DO IT anyway, you could tell by the end that her rant was also personal, and that she's been through that with her patients many times, either having to talk them down from using their kids as weapons, or from having to help heal the scars from people who WERE kids used as weapons.
@@AnInsideJoke I think a lot of divorced parents in real life might do that unintentionally just by carelessness, especially with adult or nearly-adult children if they think something along the lines of "obviously I'm the good parent, we all know my ex was the bad parent so it's okay to vent what we're all thinking". Like, they try not to be vocal about it while the children are small, but once they're old enough to have relationships of their own it's easier to uncork that big bottle of grievances and start pouring.
@@AnInsideJoke I totally agree. It drives me crazy how people expect those who have been through that to "Just get over it," or "We've already talked about this, I don't get why this is still an issue for you," because children who have grown up in those conditions have certain traits and insecurities baked into their personality that are there specifically to keep them safe from those they should be able to trust, and it can take YEARS to unlearn them. I think the rise in terms like "Daddy Issues" or "Mummy Issues" has led to the problem of children being victimised by their parents not being taken anywhere near seriously enough. Like, how many people with "daddy issues" are actually suffering from CPTSD and are in desperate need of support? That's why people like Georgia are so valuable, because without them, so many people (like myself) have no frame of reference for what is normal and acceptable.
@@helenanilsson5666 That makes sense, but I think one thing Georgia was getting at is how parents have the responsibility to make sure they don't do that. So in that instance, I would say the parents need to work on their self-awareness and realise the impact those subconscious manipulations have on their children, even if they are older
Eh, I'm not sure this is a step in the right direction for Octavia. She doesn't have many people in her life and has cut off the parent most capable of having a healthy, loving relationship with her. If anything, it's perpetuating that cycle she's been going through. Octavia seems to think they had a happy life until Stolas "ruined it." Blitz was the catalyst for Stolas breaking the cycle. Which needed to happen and is something Octavia is, understandably, having a lot of trouble getting her head around. It's a lot for her to unpack and something she's unlikely to healthily accomplish in the environment she's isolating herself in. Most of the time, we see her with her headphones on. Which I think is pretty indicative of her character and how a lot of kids cope in abusive households. She blocks things out. I think she's at the beginning of a coming of age arc, but things are about to get worse before they get better.
1:30 I would make an argument that Octavia is in actual danger. As soon as she turns 18 and inherits the estate and all of Stolas’ wealth, there’s no telling what Andy might do her to ensure it remains his.
Also I feel like everyone is glossing over that Stella is incredibly dangerous. Not just the emotional abuse part, she tried to assassinate her husband. I wasn’t too satisfied with this episode because I feel like it delves into “idiot plot” territory, because Stolas doesn’t communicate this to Via at any point. I understand there is some realism that an abused parent may not communicate the danger of their spouse to their child, but it just feels contrived. Stolas had every chance during their final conversation to communicate, “hey, she tried to murder me, get out of there!”
@@JaguarRawr I personally think andrealphus is more dangerous. We know Stella's motives for everything. She doesn't care or want Stolas job or money because she's already rich. She wants him dead as revenge for humiliating her. We don't know andrealphus's motive though. Why does he want Stolas's job?
I keep coming back to this when I talk with folks about this episode, but I feel like Octavia _has_ to be aware of the dynamic between her parents at this point, and that may be part of why it's tearing her up so much. I'm a child of divorce, so I've been in a similar place as the one she's in right now -- between the lyrics and the imagery in her song, it seems clear to me that Via's still coming to terms with the fact that the happy home life she _thought_ she had growing up, the foundation upon which she built her sense of identity and belonging, was a _sham._ Even as her mother and uncle turn her childhood home into a frozen crypt haunted by the ghosts of her past, Via's created this little sanctuary for herself in her closet, filled with reminders of her father and boxes of his keepsakes that Stella had probably had thrown out; she still _wants_ that happy family that her dad made her believe she had, still _wants_ the feeling of security from when Stolas sang the lullaby she called back to in her song, but the loss of that feeling still stings too much for her to think about where to go next. Like she said, she'll be okay, even though she's not okay _today._ That's a _powerful_ sentiment and a reflection of Via's emotional maturity that she _realizes_ that fact -- it's okay to not be okay, but it's still hard to admit it.
What I think Octavia needs to do is look back on certain memories from her childhood that involved both her parents and think about how they were behaving in front of her. How much of her parents' relationship did Via overlook when she was a child?
@kittylover62 It'd be hard to make an objective assessment of that, considering memories can be colored by how we feel about them in the present -- right now, any memory Via has of her father smiling is going to be tainted by the thought of 'Was he _actually_ happy, or was that just the _medication?'_ Keep in mind, she's still wondering how much _she's_ to blame for her father's misery. Even when parents try to shelter their kids from their problems, the kids find out about them eventually, and the easiest conclusion to reach about why they were kept in the dark is that their parents blame _them_ for it -- that's exactly how it played out for me, and since neither of them ever _denied_ that suspicion, I can't rule out the possibility that they *_do_* blame me for their troubles. (I'm pretty sure I was a mistake that derailed _both_ their plans, and now they just see me as a disappointment and a burden. They admitted to the latter and never denied the former.)
One thing I’d like to say and theorize is that maybe Stella put out the idea that Stolas will abandon her when she was still a child. And also another I find interesting is how Octavia sees blitz and how blitz sees Octavia. Octavia villainizes blitz by believing that he stole her dad and he’s reason her dad doesn’t love her anymore which is heartbreaking, and Blitz just sees her as another daughter. When Blitz sees the family on Christmas he sees himself and his “ family” huddled around the fireplace and you can see him hug both Loona and Octavia, which is heartwarming.
Would have been better if we would have been shown that. But as is, its fine since Octavia come to her own conclusion, which might have been better than having Stella poison Via's mind. Something to note though, is that, if we take the song into consideration, there's no single clue that Stella is shaping Via's train of thought, which would be the perfect time to do so.
@@yiacope5503 I absolutely LOVE the contrasting view they have of each other. Via thinks Blitz is cutting her out and replacing her in her father's heart, meanwhile Blitz is all "a SECOND DAUGHTER?! DON'T MIND IF I DO! 🤩😍🥰" And I am really hoping that he can get through to Via before it's too late. Because she DESERVES Blitz's kind of complete, unconditional validation, support, and love that he gives Loona. That would do WONDERS for her.
The thing is I don't see any hostility towards Blitz personally, it all seems directed at Stolas. The only real negative impression she ever gives is the imagery during that one musical number. Otherwise she's pretty civil to him.
@@shadenox8164 Well her father's perceived betrayal definitely is the open wound. So Stolas rightfully gets a lot of her feelings directed at him. And I don't know if I'd call Via civil as much as dismissive. She's barely spoken with him that we've seen onscreen. I'm curious to know if there have been other times. She obviously knew exactly where his office is, where he kept the Grimoire, and had no reservations about taking it. She's not AFRAID of him. She also sought him out specifically after the trial trusting that he wouldn't have abandoned Stolas somewhere in that month of no contact. There's some kind of connection there.... she's just hurt. But this is why I think it's gonna be Blitz that helps reunite father and daughter.
@@saralovelace7219 Except just because someone else wants you in their life doesn't mean you yourself want to be in their life. It's why trying to blend families can be messy and outcomes vary based on approaches and individuals involved.
Thank you so much for giving Octavia a voice. I've seen how the fandom is all ranting and raving how much she's being an ungrateful child, my partner included and I can't help but relate to Via's situation of being raised in a dysfunctional household setting.
The only thing I didn't like about her side of the argument was she knew how horrible stella was, and she even noticed he tried calling her. Yet despite him supposedly calling for months, she still thinks he's just faking it. That's just my take on it. I get what she's going through, but I just think she is handling it wrong is all.
@@OrionPax1983 I understand, we all don't like how Via handled it, but given that the show didn't provide her nor the audience with no other outlets, such as school or friends. the end result is proof of how little to no resources she has to navigate what she's dealing with internally. Sometimes the best option is to take out the things that hurt us even though we know we probably know those people love us.
I like that Stolas never slanders Stella to Octavia or tries to ruin their relationship. After all of Stella's abuse to him, Stolas still never tells Octavia or uses it as an excuse for their broken home. Letting her in on that information would've helped explain a lot of what she's misconstrued about it all. But he doesn't want to hurt Octavia by tearing down her mother.
Well it Didn't help Their relationship it SHATTERED Their relationship Stolas or Blitzø Could've Easily Just Explained What Happened But She Didn't Even Tried Listen Or Hearing Them Out she just Went With the CONCLUSION that Stolas never Care for Her or Stella which Is not True even Having an SONG about Not needing Him which is disrespectful And then Saving both Stolas and Blitzo only Just to Tell them Off which Was also BS
One thing I’ve noticed from a lot of reactors who see this episode is that they are confused by Octavia’s hurt and in her song when she says he lied to her, when she saw he was trying to call her and heard her mom say he’s been trying to all month, and she’s been purposely keeping Via from talking to Stolas. But I think when you look back it makes sense. From her perspective she feels Stolas has prioritized his romance with Blitz over her, and to be fair she isn’t wrong. The final straw I believe was when he willingly sacrificed his life to save blitz, but also meant he’d be leaving her forever. Of course she’d feel abandoned and that he didn’t care about her or her feelings. She has every right to be hurt, and right now she’s not ready to hear his side. For me personally, eventually I’d like to hear from her if she’d prefer her dad leave Blitz to stay with her, like an ultimatum. Which wouldn’t be fair cuz even though he needs to be better at communicating to his daughter, he’s allowed to find love and pursue it. Would she want him to leave the man he loves and just stay with her, regardless how heartbroken he’d feel? Hopefully I’d like to think she’d learn that just because he fell in love doesn’t mean he loves her less, and there’s room in his heart for both.
Yeah, I think a lot of people misinterpreted what kind of tool those phonecalls were. Even if Octavia had been able to answer the phone, Stolas would not be able to fix this over a phone call, so the missed calls have relatively little bearing on her anger towards him - she is assessing the situation based on what happened *before* he started calling (which is not the same as her not wanting those phone calls - the reason she's so disappointed in him is because she loves him and she probably would have liked to at least hear that he's okay even if she wouldn't forgive him). Rather than Octavia, the missed phonecalls are there to motivate *Stolas'* reasons, specifically his decision to storm off to the palace on a suicide mission to see his daughter.
Thing is, and it's a detail I'd missed on my first watch, is that Octavia DIDN'T hear he tried to call her all month, she had the earplug in during that moment. She basically saw he tried to call her the first time and never again
@@riccardomosena4162 Yes, but not getting those phonecalls is not the primary reason why she's angry with him, and the calls wouldn't have solved those issues even if Octavia had been allowed to answer.
@@helenanilsson5666 no, but it added fuel, she may have seen like he didn't care enough to keep trying. Never said they were the primary reason or that it would have solved everything, even though they would have helped
I think it would be very interesting if she gave that ultimatum, because I feel Stolas would leave Blitzø for her. He'd be broken, but he'd leave, and he'd try to be there for her. And Blitzø would understand, I think, because he'd do the same for Loona. All Stolas would need to say is "She's my daughter," and he'd get it.
I knew the moment it happened people wouldn't like Octavia leaving Stolas. And that's a very big distinction. She's not chosen Stella, she's left Stolas. But I felt it worked well, even with the knowledge that Stolas has been trying to reach out. We know he loves her, that she's everything good about his life with Stella. But that's viewer knowledge, and something Stolas is gonna have to communicate to her somehow. He's gonna need to prove to Octavia that he cares for her, that he wants to be one big happy family with her, Blitz and Loona.
The beanie!!!!! You got the crown on it! I love it!! It's so perfect! Would un-ironically wear it casually! Also so glad you decided to make this video. Too many people have been ragging on Via for her side of things instead of realizing that she's a teeanger caught in the middle of all of this, and that her father did make her false promises - and that children often can feel abandoned while parents are struggling with finding love in their own love and life while still raising a human who is forming their own existence at the time its happening.
It's too bad because Octavia looked excited, happy, and 100% ready to talk to Stolas the first time he called her in the episode, but of course Stella happened. It seems like Stella kept Via's phone.
and I don't see how that leads her to thinking Stolas didn't care, he was literally trying to reach her and Stella was laughing at him trying to reach out to his daughter. how did she come to the conclusion that he didn't love her and that the antidepressants he was on were because of her and not his abusive wife 💀
@@victoree6680 its actually simple logic. And Stolas admited this himsef in ep 1 of season 2 "the only reason why i have endured your constant insults and cruelty was for that girl to have a normal life". He stayed misereble with Stella and didnt divorce because Octavia
I absolutely adore the fact that Loona openly calls Blitz "dad" now, it show how close the two have come together. I wonder if Loona will be the key to getting Octavia and Stolas back together, given how their last conversation went.
Given Via doesn't seem to have many friends, Loona is the closest thing she has. Might be interesting if we get and arch where Via rubs away from home and Loona moves in with her to be her support. We get to see softer sides to Loona (maybe more about her backstory) and silky light hearted parts with blitz and stolas navigating life as empty nesters
Thank you so much for doing Octavia too Mrs. Georgia, my second most favorite comfort character in the Helluvaverse! So many Stolitz stans are literally saying nothing but nasty things about her, all because of her own feelings, it scares me.
I like Stolitz, but it is undeniable that Octavia has her reasons. Throughout the second season Stolas was almost completely absent towards Octavia and acted impulsively to save Blitz's life and Octavia's fears were coming true.
I actually wasn't aware of the backlash towards Octavia and honestly, that kind of behavior doesn't surprise me anymore. It pretty much happens in all fandoms these days. Even thought Stolas and Blitz are among my favorite characters in the show, I also like Octavia and I feel that she had every right to react the way she did.
I feel like a lot of people misunderstood why Octavia's reaction here. She had every right to be upset when you look at things from her perspective. This video explains it perfectly
I've been looking forward to this video! Between Sinsmas and TADC's Fast Food Masquerade episode, I knew you'd have things to say. I think another complication of Octavia's feelings is that she's afraid that Stolas has stayed miserable for years for her sake, that she held him back, that he sacrificed his happiness for her sake. And the worst part is that she isn't even completely wrong: Stolas has outright told Stella that the only reason he didn't divorce her sooner was because he wanted Octavia to have a normal childhood. So while she's angry with him, and feeling betrayed, she's also pushing him away because she thinks that's what's best for him. That's she's freeing him from the obligation of caring for her. Which is very reminiscent of Stolas' reasons for ending his relationship with Blitzo... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I'm so glad you did this. It's been painful to see the fan backlash to Via after this episode, so it's been healing to see you expressing exactly what she's going through. Vivziepop is clearly writing her this way for a reason.
As someone who's been through a similar situation as Octavia and has her as one of my favorite characters because of it, I have nothing but sympathy for her in regards to her situation and her feelings about it. Even without Stella and Adrealphus hovering over her, she's still a teenager going through one of the most difficult things a kid can go through all alone, as well as reeling from the fact that the parent she was clearly the closest to having no problem throwing his life away for the person he promised he wouldn't leave her for. She needs a safe outlet to express her feelings before anything else.
I'm so glad someone is defending via and there's a community that doesn't hate her. Its such a tricky situation and people are mad that she has no character growth because she's lingering on this issue with her dad. Well... yeah, exactly! She's a teenager and this is exactly what her world is right now, its centered around her parents' divorce and her mom antagonizes her against stolas while stolas is being somewhat neglectful of her. Thats the reality she lives in and its hard for anyone to grow and get out of that. I know exactly how Octavia feels and her line "you'll only know my name" is SOOO powerful
I believe Octavia WILL come around eventually, but I understand where she is coming from. Her father has repeatedly chosen an IMP over his daughter, and while Blitzø may want to be a part of the family, this decision might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
For sure, and also considering that she protected them from Andrealphus, she still loves her father. I'm also pretty sure that Via hasn't fully caught on to Stella's intentions.
"Trust is a very fragile thing it takes years to build seconds to break an eternity to repair that betrayal can last a lifetime"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney EOJ
Not me watching this while struggling with my own fear of abandonment AND anticipating splitting up with my child's father. Honestly, really needed to watch this. Thank you. I love these videos.
I feel like Via knows that Stella doesn't really care about her or at least doesn't treat her like she should. We see her post on social media, but we never see any indication of having any friends. So without her father, she has no one to rely upon.
@@amaccoy yeah some fans think that because she’s angry at Stolas and wants to keep her distance from him that she likes her mother more or thinks she’s better. When I don’t think she thinks that. She’s just used to tuning her mom out and deals how she does. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s used to her mom being distant. But considering she fought her uncle who tried to kill her dad, while he may not mention to Stella, via may hit her breaking point and run away, or by the time she’s 18 (which may not be long since I think she’s 17) she’ll kick her mom and uncle out. I can’t picture her standing to live with them much longer since she seems very fragile right now, and her mom and uncle’s obnoxious behavior may begin to be too much. Especially if Stella tries to brainwash her or try to force her to change her appearance or how she acts now that she has fully custody
It was all so heavy; Octavia was lost in thought while her mother thought about ridiculing her ex-husband. The maternal instinct had not kicked in, but Stella's laughter is quite funny when taken out of context. Anyway it would be interesting to have a new video on Loona, she has had a huge development in the last four episodes.
Someone’s likely pointed this out already, but Octavia making the decision in “Sinsmas” for both her and Stolas without letting him explain is a parallel to Stolas and Blitz in “The Full Moon” where once Blitz realized what was happening, Stolas didn’t hear him out because he thought he had Blitz’s answer and everything spiraled from there.🥺😭 I think Octavia will come around eventually, but she needs to know the truth first.😢 It’s so sad that one of the lyrics in the song is about him calling her on the phone, which is exactly what he’s been doing all month, but she doesn’t know because Stella took her phone.🥺 Also, Octavia believing that Stolas is better off without her is so heartbreaking, but unfortunately because of Stolas sheltering Octavia and repeatedly being more focused on Blitz, hating Stella or being in his own head instead of being there for her lately, and now finding his medication, what else is she supposed to conclude?🥺😭 Also, your Octavia cosplay is so cute!😊💜💜💜
The sad thing is that if Via had just taken out her earbud a few seconds earlier, she would have heard Stella admit how hard Stolas was trying to contact her.
@@GregPrice-ep2dk I'm honestly not sure how much that would have helped. Via already had reservations and was already hurt. I mean, she can obviously leave the palace whenever she wants to, and yet she waited an entire month to try and find Stolas. I think it's a lot more complicated than not hearing about his calls.
@@GregPrice-ep2dk She already knew that, he literally called her she saw it was him and Stella took her phone. Don't think that would change anything that the first time didn't cover.
I really hate how the fandom treated Octavia Oh no! How dare Octavia have her own feelings and act like a teenager whose life isn’t stable? How dare she be justifiably angry at her dad? How dare she not just forgive Stolas? Geez, maybe it’s just me since I have a lot of issues, but most teens won’t be like “it’s okay dad, I forgive you for leaving me”
Georgia, what can kids like Via, victims of parental alienation syndrome, do to break free from parents like Stella, who have custody and alienate their kids? How can the kids stop the alienation after they see the alienating parent as the bad guy?
Georgia, I would love you to do another video about Stolas and his mental health issues. Glad you did this one of Octavia first though because the takes people are having toward this are insane…
10:40 I think there is another meaning as well. It can be paraphrased as "So that means that you had to suffer from everything else in your life just to stay with me". Also this is connected with happy pills usage
The advice you give about waiting when you are upset or feel anxiety before responding is such good advice but can take a long time to learn to control yourself enough when you're feeling it.
Thanks for talking about this! Watching that episode I couldn’t help but tear up for Octavia. I had a mother just like Stella, and a father who was very much like Stolas. I feel so much for her. Eventually I realized what a toxic person my mom was and cut off contact with her, and my life has been a lot better for it. Hopefully Octavia can do the same at some point in this series
The line between trust and betrayal isn't as clear as many wish to believe. Once it's crossed, there can be no going back. Because some damages.......are permanent.
There is one point Octavia is right, though. While Stolas truly loves her, he did made the choice for Blitzø’s sake in reckless ways without considering the consequences it’ll have on his life & mostly importantly his relationship with Octavia.
@@ashebennett7726 Because he didn't let someone he cared about die in a spur of a moment decision? Come one. Octavia is right to be hurt because of what happened, but don't pretend what Stolas did was unreasonable in the moment either.
@@shadenox8164 Yeah, don't blame him for trying to save Blitzo. But maybe there needs to be a "what if" epsiode where Octavia sees an alternative reality where Blitzo WASN"T SAVED. There would have been consequences in that timeline too. No offense to the fans!
For me, the saddest thing about Via's hurt, is that she has no idea that her life would be so much better if she could embrace Blitzo. He already cares for her and wants to be a whole family with her. Stolas is the only person Via ever felt cared for her and she is so isolated because of that. She really needs more people who love her.
Stolas would be mad and sad to see how people reacted to Octavia. He understands is his fault (partially, because Stella’s abuse are the root of everything and she made all this situation worse). It is a complex issue. Octavia is also victim of Stella’s abuse. Stolas was her only grasp of a parental and support figure and she is overly attached to him because of that, and she thought he was happy with her (but of course, being happy with your child is not the only fulfillment an adult should have, so, Stolas accumulated so much during a lot of years and he sheltered her from his real feelings so that makes her feel betrayed, she was genuine the entire time and she feels he was faking that love and happiness they used to have, lying and lying over again). This is why she is so mad, she also blames herself for it partially, is complicated. Stolas sheltered her from the family truth her entire life and while this might have helped her to grow healthier it also created a distorted view of everything. The abusive behaviours she witnessed she normalized them but still have left her affected, and suddenly her dad has someone else and leaves the family behind and her to deal with everything alone. Is very understandable honestly, she is a teenager, how people pretend they have the same comprehension as an adult with less information? We as viewers have the entire picture and she doesn’t. Something that is almost funny to me is that she doesn’t know how hard it was for Stolas and Blitzø to be good together. If she knew all the hardships these two had to go through to be able just to talk like normal people.
Thank you for this video! I've seen so many videos of people saying "why are you acting like this Octavia? You've been through this a million times." And that's just it! She has been through this time and time again where Stolas says he'll always be there for her and then he does things without considering her feelings and how she will be affected. I'm not saying Stolas shouldn't have sacrificed himself to save Blitz, but Stolas has gotta understand how this looks to his only daughter.
Are you referring to Danny Motta by any chance? As much as I love his content, as someone who has been through very similar stuff to Octavia, I have to say his opinions on her situation stung a bit 😅
@@brebbbbbStolas or Blitzø Could've Easily Just Explained What Happened But She Didn't Even Tried Listen Or Hearing Them Out she just Went With the CONCLUSION that Stolas never Care for Her or Stella which Is not True even Having an SONG about Not needing Him which is disrespectful And then Saving both Stolas and Blitzo only Just to Tell them Off which Was also BS
@@JaevhonDouglas quit replying to everybody without looking at it from Vias point of view, and I'm guessing without even watching the video based on how repetitive and angry all your replies are. Nobody's going to be convinced by you
Started watching and can’t wait to see where this goes, but one thing to add real quick Not only is Stella alienating her daughter from Stolas, she’s also making no efforts to comfort her. No “mommy’s here” or “mommy will always love you”, not even trying to convince her that she’s better than Stolas by being there for her, but instead just laughing hysterically at his attempts to contact her with zero regard for damaging it is for her She really does have absolutely no regard for Octavia, not even to try and manipulate her into turning against Stolas; only as a means of hurting him by being something he can’t have
Octavia's big fear was losing her father, and I think when she saw him lay his head down on the headsman's block in her eyes, she was not only losing him, but he was saying he'd rather die for Blitzo than live for her.
"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure" -Clarence darrow This show has constantly made me question if that's still applicable because man, Stella's laugh makes my skin crawl.
So many people having been turning against Octavia, it's nice to someone discuss her actions from a more understanding point of view. Stolas was a stable, loving presence in her life and then suddenly he wasn't anymore. I think she'll come around in the end though.
The fact people are so mad about Octavia reacting this way that people are dropping the show is ridiculous. Life doesn’t always wrap itself up with a nice little bow of everything works out. Her fears and feelings are real just as Stolas’ clearly people need to think and learn to be more empathetic in order to have any media literacy for shows.
I don’t think that the reason. At least, this isn’t one of the reasons I dropped the show. I do understand Octavia’s pov and especially empathize with her since I was where she was at. It’s…..other things I have a problem with which I’d rather not get into. But yeah, Octavia has always been treated as an afterthought when it comes to Stolas’ love life. Even if Stolas can have enough love for both, he needs to learn to sort out his priorities as a father. Octavia is the one character I relate to and empathize with the most in this series. Especially since my dad chose some other woman over me after cheating on my mom. Difference is, my mom did genuinely love my dad and was straight up betrayed by him. Then he ran away with the other woman and I have no idea where he is. It’s been well over a decade. My love for him slowly faded until one day, I was done. So yeah, my understanding of Octavia is very deep. Even if Stolas isn’t nearly as bad as my father, Octavia probably feels the way I did with my dad. Somebody give that girl the biggest hug.
Even when the show *is* going exactly where they want some people still throw a tantrum because no one in the episode spelled out explicitly what character x or y did wrong (like they're expecting the show to pause so that they can go through a list of "doing this in real life is not good") or because a new problem isn't instantly resolved. Like, chill out, this isn't Hazbin. The creators actually do have the option to pace the plot here, let them linger on the character development.
What I find especially sad in this episode is that while Octavia sees an evil Blitzø as her replacement, Blitzø himself sees Octavia as a welcomed part of his family. His "vision" of that Sinsmas Eve celebration with both daughters implies that this is exactly what he wants: himself, Stolas, Octavia, and Loona all together, all secure, all happy.
Thank goodness that you're still doing these explain Theory video episodes on hazbin hotel and helluva boss PS happy Merry Christmas late Christmas and happy New Year's to you
That particular episode was like a massive emotional roller coaster for me, but that particular part made me want to just break down (except I’m on antidepressants so the ability to do so has kinda been stifled, but I still felt the pain). It honestly kinda brought me back to my own childhood traumas, though the situations regarding my parents were different but they still led me to believe that I wasn’t worthy of their love. Even now, I’m nearing 30 and it’s still kinda hard for me to be convinced otherwise. Anyway, I know things will get better between Stolas and Octavia. It’s like Blitzø said, he just has to keep trying. 10/10 video btw, hopefully the people who had negative reactions to that part of the episode will have a better understanding of what was going on in Octavia’s mind about Stolas and Blitzø
I love how we got more of a psychological look at what Via is feeling. Her feelings are 10000% valid, and she needs time to process them with a clear head. When Georgia was talking about that fear of abandonment and feeling like she may need to push her dad away… did anyone else think she was describing Blitz to the letter? I’m hoping eventually she’s able to have a heart-to-heart with Blitz so he can encourage her not to go down that road
Thank you so much for this video. Some people have been confused by Octavia's reaction in the latest episode, when in fact her reaction is more than understandable given what her relationship with her dad had been like. In my opinion, Blitz coming back in Stolas' adult life just revealed that Stolas and Via's relationship, while being evidently very loving, was extremely codependent and couldn't keep going on like this. Stolas, being trapped in an abusive marriage, has viewed Via as the only happy escape from his miserable life. Therefore, he's devoted all his effort and care to one person for seventeen years and did all he could to shelter her because he equated her happiness with his, while not actually taking care of himself. On the other hand, Via being raised as a Goetia didn't have any opportunity to develop meaningful bonds with people her age or other relatives. While Stella was a stable element in her life, Stolas was her only support system. She grew up with the idea that there was only one person who could meet all her needs, and in return, she internalized the idea that she was responsible for her father's happiness, because Stolas acted as if loving his daughter could make up for not caring for himself. Very understandably so given his circumstances, but the consequences are there : having internalized that closeness means codependency, Via has no tool to feel anything but threatened when her dad starts pursuing happiness elsewhere. Especially when Stolas first had a tendency to also view Blitz as an escape for his miserable life, hence fixating on him so much that he did act neglectful on occasions with Via (especially in LooLooLand, then in Seeing Stars) : Via has no way to not fear being replaced, she just wasn't given the tools. She wanted reassurance from Stolas that he wasn't going to abandon her for Blitz, but that reassurance was doomed to only work short term : Stolas promising that he would never abandon her for Blitz in LooLooLand may have soothed her into thinking that their relationship was intact, but by reinforcing the binary idea that it was either her or Blitz, it reaffirmed the codependent setting instead of challenging it. So when Stolas throws everything to save Blitz and is willing to die for him, Via has absolutely no other way to understand it than her dad choosing him over her (that, and she thought she was witnessing her dad about to get beheaded live, which is enough trauma in itself). Her rejecting him is informed by two things I think : she's angry at him because he was willing to leave her alone when she doesn't have anybody else. Rejecting him is a way of restoring a symetry in the relationship : if he doesn't need her anymore, then she will do everything to not need him in return and protect herself from that pain to happen again. And she's angry at herself, because she's internalized that her father's happiness was her responsibility, both because she's a child and because Stolas did see her as "the only good thing in his life" - which, while sweet, is an unfair position to be in on both ends. So since she "failed" doing that, she's removing herself from the equation thinking doing that will make him happy. All of this is evidently unfair to Stolas, because caring for more than one person and actually starting to make choices for himself is in itself the right thing to do, but his execution and the context in which it happened couldn't result in anything else than a blow up. So while his actions are very understandable considering his own trauma and the impossible environment he's been put in, Via is still the child in the relationship and in no way at fault in the situation. The way she's unilaterly concluded, out of valid hurt, that her father's actions meant he abandoned her, and left him on the castle's doorsteps without giving him a chance to process/ explain himself thinking doing so was mercy, is very reminiscent of Stolas' reaction to Blitz in the Full Moon : she reacts consequently with how she's been taught to view relationships. That being said, just like Stolas and Blitz fall out was necessary for the relationship to progress on more solid ground, Stolas and Via's fallout is necessary for better horizons. These are two people who love each other deeply and need to understand that they aren't enough to make each other happy, that other people are needed and decisions have to be made for themselves, and that it's okay and better this way because it leaves room for their agency, and thus a chance at true happiness.
I think I can contribute to this conversation. I am someone who was in Via's place a few years ago, having to stop all contact with my bio dad for my own sake and sanity. WARNING: LONG STORY INCOMING One of my earliest memories is of my fifth b'day, my dad promised to come for my party, and so I waited. At some point during the party, I realized it was getting late, went outside and sat on my granny's sofa which was taken out to make space. I waited there for a short while, watching every car pass by, but none of them were my dad. Eventually, my mom found me and told me to go back in and dance with everyone, which I did, but not before thinking to myself "Well... Daddy isn't coming, I guess." Again, I was only 5, yet I remember every second. Worst part? This happened countless times before and after that. This is just the one I remember the most of. What made me break contact was the realization that he didn't want me in his life, he wouldn't initiate or maintain contact, he wouldn't let me live with him "Due to the pandemic", and he didn't mind not talking to me for months on end, and yet, he didn't mind visiting my younger sister, having her stay at his house, meeting our younger sister and new-born brother, he didn't even notice I went no contact until the sixth month of me not talking to him (his only attempt of contacting me during this time happened in the 4th month), I was distraught during that time, and I swore to never talk to him again. But recently, I did, for his b'day on 11/7, and have been maintaining friendly contact through the holidays. It has been hard, so hard. I wouldn't have even contacted him had it not been for my littlest sister insisting on it XD but it has been healing. A full 4 years since I last spoke to him, we are finally back in contact. I needed time to heal, a lot, especially considering that one year I got to experience living with him not being the greatest due to his neglect, but now, at 23, I feel healed enough to give him another chance, which he had been pleading for all this time. If you're in this situation, don't worry, it'll indeed get better with time, only as long as you let it of course. Keep living and don't beat yourself up too much, this is our first time living, no one is an expert, and you shouldn't be ashamed of it. 💖
As a quick note, while children can often misinterpret the whole "your choosing them over me thing", in Via's case it was a real choice because Stolas was almost executed for it. She nearly watched her dad die on live TV, and that is all kinds of horrifyingly traumatic.
Thank you! I feel so bad for her, I had to get off the Helluva Boss Reddit to not be constantly furious about people blaming her! Via is the only truely innocent person here
I feel for Octavia to heal from all this she will have to understand why her dad made the choices he made. There was never love between him and her mom only an abusive relationship and if Stolas could he would take her with him.
What I don’t really understand is why Octavia doesn’t seem to have feelings of betrayal towards Stella as well. Like Stella’s behavior is cartoonishly evil and she appears to have not been a very attentive parent. I understand the hurt felt in regards to Stolas but why is she not hurt by her mom as well?
It's such a complex situation, in my opinion both sides are right and wrong at the same time, it is a gray situation when everyone is hurting because of outside factors and not knowing the full story, an I think that Octavia is going to see that maybe just maybe her father & mother especially father have a reason for staying together even if they don't like each other and none of that was her fault. Heck! For her pov she has this happy family and then out of nowhere they hate each other and the responsibility was "her dad cheated" with Blitz, she IS a privileged teen that was cuddled and sheltered by Stolas, who did such a good job hiding all the poison in that "marriage" that for his daughter the divorce and fight between her parents was so unexpected and shocking. Poor little owl has every reason to be "a little moody" if I can even call it that, like her home situation before was stressful but now? Jesus Christ is horrible, going from normal family, to bad to worse and Via didn't even know why. She's literally alone with these two immature self-absorbed adults that don't give a single sh!t about her only the minimum and can't even act with little of empathy, it's sad because people think Stella is a "bad character and unrealistic" but I have seen people like her even worse, like you can hate you ex all you want but can you think about your child too? and Via's only comfort and safe space is gone, in her eyes, she wasn't enough for her dad to choose her and even more tragic she kinda blames herself for her dad's suffering. I would be a mess too. Both parents fail her in different ways but BOTH aren't putting her outside their own drama and she's taking all this damage. Stella doesn't care if Octavia is miserable she's happy that she won and has everything she always wanted, and I think that Stolas failed to communicate Octavia and make her feel sure that SHE WAS HIS PRIORITY. Copy and paste cuz I'm lazy and sad 😭 😭 😭: Poor Octavia, now is seeing her mom in a new light, she's basically laughing and enjoying his ex-husband's fate yet at the same time freaking ignoring how that is hurting her own daughter, really? They couldn't just "celebrate" in private? Does Stella really have to do this in front of her obviously suffering child? Poor baby owl! Selfish parent prove there, and people call Stolas the only "selfish" one. I totally get where she's coming from when she rejected her dad, even more after that beautiful heartbreaking song. She can't trust her dad that easily again, even though she is trapped with a spoiled brat mother and snobby awful uncle that are seen to care more about being mean bitches, talking sh!t, and erasing any mark of Stolas in the palace, even if she HATES how her mom and uncle are behaving, it was HER dad the one that in her eyes chose someone, A LOVER, instant of her, his daughter. So it is obvious her anger is more direct to her dad, who promises that isn't going to leave her? Who promised to never run away? Who promised to always be by her side? It wasn't Stella it was Stolas, that's why it hurts so much. I heard that hate comes from love, so since the person he loves the most was "the reason" her anger is direct with him. She doesn't know all the context but for her, in her eyes, her beloved dad was tied to them by obligation, he was miserable, she made him miserable, she was the reason for him to stay in a marriage that he didn't want, it was her fault he was even in pills, since when? Daddy since when you are suffering in silence? Did you or her even want me in the fish place? Did mom even care I'm unhappy? Why did you two even get married? and she feels like a burden and she can't allow him to hurt her more and... She doesn't want to hurt him anymore. In her eyes she was abandoned, her father broke his promise of never leaving her behind. And Stolas ohhh Jesus so much ignorance and privilege to unpack and unlearn, mixed with his obviously mental decline is going to explore in the worst way possible. I can't lie, I freaking cry with him when Via closes the door, the one good thing about his horrible empty life and he loses her too and Via is alone too again, poor owl family... I can't wait for a proper conversation because both parties aren't wrong but they need to talk and explain everything. Yet again Via doesn't have any context but she's entitled to her feelings, and unfortunately is acting as many family members when they discover one of them is taking medicine for depression or any mental issues "Are we not enough? Why can we make you happy? Is... Is it my fault?" But it isn't her fault, it is years of abuse, trauma and being so alone without a support system. No person can be another whole world, isn't healthy, love can't cure a mental illness. I kinda like that they show how complex divorces are, with "cheating" in an unhappy marriage, if we can call it cheating, cuz there wasn't even love or care, and how some parents prefer to make their children suffer if that means getting back to their ex, cuz they are selfish like that. Jesus I always hate it that, I have friends that have been children in that situation and they ended up hating their parents for using them as an object of revenge. Stolas sinking into depression cuz GOD his eyes in the end screams desperation and "what I'm going to do?". They need to talk, they must talk and Stolas needs to be completely honest, even the most... unpleasant parts, Via had the right to know the truth even if it hurts. I can't wait to know what is going to happen.
It's not just childhood memories. In Lululand what she directly asked was if he was going to leave her and Stella to go away somewhere with Blitso and not see them anymore, and he said he'd never do that.
Having been a teen when my parents had a messy divorce and I got left with a Stella (for mostly financial reasons) I completely empathize with Via's pain and anger.
definitely her outburst that episode was taken pretty negatively, but its mostly due to the other two episodes of conflict that seemed to be resolved, but really it takes longer then that to build trust once its been lost, or there is doubt within someone, even in your own family. I can understand the view "he's literally told you he loves you more then anything why are you being a brat" but at the same time, shes a teenager who doesnt truly understand his situation from her dads eyes, and everything she said to him in the confrontation isnt entirely wrong either, because he did lie, he did stay for her. Good intentions won't fix a problem like this
I just want to say that I super appreciate your takes and it helps me gain more perspective in how I perceive these relationships. I'm currently a student going for my MSW and it's ultimately my goal to be a therapist similar to yourself. You are a great role model and I hope that you'll continue posting videos for times to come. :)
My brother and I were made chess pieces between my mom, dad, and granny. All 3 are/were terrible people who just wanted to win against the other. It is the worst feeling. As an adult, I still have to grapple with it.
I'm glad you mentioned this little caveat at 1:24 because this is a situation where Octavia is in severe danger. There is no telling what Andrealphus and Stella are willing to do in order to hold onto power. Stolas and IMP need to take them to court and get full custody of Via to protect her from them.
Honestly being a part of so many fandoms; Including Helluva Boss, I've seen the ins and outs. There are beautiful signs of love for the characters and world they populate in fandoms. But there's also always less innocent sides to them. This recent episode showed some (Not all) fans have a very one-sighted way they watch the show. In this case some people experience the show as if through Octavia's eyes. While others see the show through Stolas'. Which is great, but it doesn't leave room to understand BOTH characters. In the grand scheme there was no strictly wrong person concerning these two. It's unfair for people to strictly blame Stolas for what happened. Because he experienced having a less than connected father. As well as a verbally abusive marraige. Then it's naturally wrong to strictly overlook Octavia as well. During her younger years, Stolas was the single parent she based her foundation in. And during this recent episode, she was separated from that parent. Which lead to her crumbling emotionally. It's so hard especially for someone like Stolas to be perfect. Like every real life parent he has chips and scars in his life. And it's also hard for Octavia to suddenly be thrown under the care of an alienating mother and an equally alienating uncle. There is no true villain in this story. And there is no true hero either. In situations like these there are only victims. Father and daughter need to go through the motions. Before finally reconnecting, and tearing down the walls that currently separate them. ❤
I understand what Octavia is going through, I went through something similar and I thought a lot of what Via thinks when I was a kid. I see Stella as a sick caricature of my own mom. Exaggerated but so similar. It's so bad I'm waiting to see if Stella hurts Via, though I really don't want that to happen. Hopefully she'll come around with time like I did.
Maam, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and breakdowns (or even reactions) to the characters from creature commando's. I think you'd have a field day getting them on your couch.
I'm really happy to see this perspective, I knew this was coming since the Loo Loo Land episode so I'm shocked everyone is so upset about Via when you can see that brewing the ENTIRE show so far. I like watching how Stolas and Via handle this because it's SOOO realistic you can tell Vivzie is pulling from someones actual childhood (not sure if its her own). A lot of people don't think about how damaging "stay together for the kids and keep them out of it" is and the hurricane that can storm down on you whether you're the child like Via, the Stolas parent, the incoming stepparent with nothing but good intentions so the Blitzo, or the resulting biological child of those two people and Via would be the older half sibling, or even the other step-child like Loona would be, everybody feels the harm from it in their own ways and a lot of times the Stolas parent just thinks it'll work itself out or even blames the other Stella parent justifiably thinking its all their fault and then never moves past that point so they can avoid the work of solving it or risking anything with the Blitzo stepparent. I think Stolas might have been holding onto this delulu idea that Octavia would be fine as long as he was still coming around but when your parent felt emotionally distant your whole life you don't want to see them happy with someone else everyday because it makes you wonder why that wasn't possible with you. Took my own childhood (of being the resulting new kid with the shiny nice nuclear family vs 5 older half siblings all with their own respective absent parent one way or another) and now being in the Blitzo position of having to watch Stolas deal with Stella but really push to try to get back to his own daughter for years now to appreciate Via's perspective. I can respect my siblings' feelings a little more even though "Why do you keep FB messaging me this is weird, just a like a post or something and go away" is the closest I ever got to any of them😅 Also decided I'm not having any kids until my Husband can finally get things situated and I can meet my step daughter and after she gets that one on one time she needs she can tell me herself she doesn't mind sharing her Dad with 2 people now instead of 1.
Man... this song unearthed a bunch of trauma I had when I was a kid and left my crying for days... its SO well written!!! Via is INSANELY right in her anger for towards her dad. I see more people angry at Via for being "a whiny teenager," and not talking about how Stolas literally chose DEATH over staying with his daughter. Without hesitation!!! He could have at least taken her with him to court. He could have argued for visitation the second he got banned. But he was too caught up in his own drama and basically forgot she existed for an entire week. I do think he deserves to be forgiven eventually, but he really needs to own up to that MASSIVE mistake of abandoning her, and thank Sa Tan for not following through the execution Stolas basically offered himself up for!
Happy New Year Georgia! SMILES PROUDLY - As one of your Channel Members, I got this video TWO DAYS AGO! A Georgia video is always the best way to start the New Year! I can totally relate. Except it all was not due to my choices. Next relationship will be with someone more...pleasant?
Another phenomenal vid Georgia. Crossing my fingers and hoping you have more to say about some of the other goings on in Sinsmas. It was such a great and DENSE episode and I'd love to hear your thoughts on so much of it. If not, still grateful for the Octavia special. Happy New Year and thanks for all your great content.
I’m pretty sure it’s very obvious especially now that Stella doesn’t love her daughter at all not even a little bit, I don’t think Stella is able to feel genuine love and I doubt that the writers will ever show her having genuine love for another. However if it does happen then I’ll happily eat my words. As for Octavia, she is 100% in the right to be mad at her father for is stupid choices. She is seeing her worst fear happen before her eyes, her fear of her father leaving her. Sure she could’ve at least heard her father’s side of thing but she’s not obligated to believe what he says. When it comes to the pills she jumped to conclusions I’m not denying that. Maybe it would’ve helped if Loona got involved and explained everything, still wouldn’t guarantee that it’ll help though. She has been burned by her father 2 times before and she didn’t want to repeat the cycle a third time. I know that her father was just being impulsive which is very common for him but that excuse the negative effects it’s had on Octavia even if it was unintentional. I hope that at some point that Octavia and her father have a proper talk maybe have Loona there to support them and help.
I think people also don't take into account that via can't see the whole story like the audience xan, so when she says that stolas lied to her once and that means he'll do it again, as far as she knows, that's true. He may have had all the best intentions in lying to her, but that doesn't change the fact that he still proved with his actions that he is capable of deceiving her. It undermines her autonomy as an almost-adult and causes a rupture in the relationship
Given the amount of bottles of antidepressants that Stolas has in his medicine cabinet, I'm wondering if Stella traumatized him to the point he's abusing his prescription and, on top of his potential alcoholism we saw in the flashback when Blitz tried to steal the grimoire, he must have been doing figurative backflips and somersaults to keep the reality of how bad it was from Octavia.
Georgia, this was a great video! My heart breaks for Stolas, but with him not ever explaining things, honestly, to Octavia, this was bound to happen. Will you be doing a video about Stolas' mental health and withdrawal symptoms from his pills and/or how Blitz was in full-on Caretaker mode during that episode?
Happy New Year! and yeah... this kinda of aspects are kinda deep and some parents do not know the harm they do to their children by trying to make them choose...
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Also, you're right about Via.
Would you do an episode on jentry vs the underworld please !!!
Can you please react to Jesus the animated series
Please Please Please react to Sonic 3! I badly want to watch video where you give your therapist opinion/analysis about the character Shadow. There is so much I see in the Character that reflects what I'm going through in life. Such as with loss of friendship, pain it causes and what it does to someone over several years.
In my honest opinion, Stolas and Octavia being separated is tragic, but it's also needed. I like to think Stolas has been sheltering Octavia from some things such as arranged marriages and bad parts of the Goetia. Now that Stolas won't be around, Octavia will be exposed to those things, which will give her a better understanding of her father. And perhaps this separation will help her grow into her own power instead of leaning on her fathers and develop some independence. After all, baby birds got to leave the nest at some point.
Something I don't see enough people talking about is the fact that Via is absolutely, brutally correct in the confrontation with Stolas.
1. "You lied to me" Yes, he did. But not in the way she thinks. The lie was that she is a normal girl with a normal family, normal life, and normal parents with a normal relationship. Stolas put so much effort into fostering this lie that it's shattered her trust in him now that it's blown up.
2. "We were never enough for you!" Right again. And nobody should be forced to stay in a hostile, loveless, abusive situation. Stolas has a right to happiness as well, but because of the Big Lie, it hits Via harder.
3. "Was it my fault that you needed these?" .... she's not wrong. Because the brutal truth is that while *Stella* was the abuser, Stolas only stayed, coped, and masked the harm for Octavia. Indirectly, it's not her *fault* but she *is* one cause. Stolas was so desperate for her to have a better childhood than he did that he didn't divorce Stella when he CLEARLY should have.
4. "So you just stayed miserable because of me? Was I some fking obligation?" And there it is, the blunt, devastating truth. Because it is the truth. He did stay miserable because of her. She gave him some happiness but she can't and shouldn't be his only source of fulfillment and joy. And *yes*, the Big Lie unmasked. She WAS an obligation. Neither of her parents had a say in having her. She was a *requirement*, when they were no older than she is now. That should have been gently explained to her by Stolas years ago, followed by "but just because you were expected of me doesn't mean I don't love you. "
Stolas' big error in the confrontation is that he is STILL trying to shield her from the truth that she has already FIGURED OUT. That's why she wouldn't listen to him. If he had engaged her honestly and spoken the truth as well, she would still be sad and probably angry.... but her trust in him might have been preserved in some small way.
What's sad is the closest he came to have an honest conversation with her was all the way back in Loo Loo Land, he nearly finally spilled the beans about their family situation, but he stopped himself as he just couldn't find the words, and we can add an extra layer of sadness when realizing abuse victims like him will legit struggle to get that out, that it took him being hungover and depressed at the start of Season 2 to finally stand up to Stella, but still struggling to say a word to Octavia until it was too late.
Stolas did bad mouth Stella while knowing Octavia was there, remember the episode where she runs away to LA?
Via's life is not just "not normal" as you described, she lived a sheltered life with no friends or anyone else but her parents and servants to interact with (her uncle too probably but they don't seem close enough). She lived in luxury and with barely any interaction with the world outside her home. Octavia didn't learn to deal with such complex issues. She is right as you said, but she reads the situation at face value.
Stolas had an obligation to marry Stella, have a child and raise her, but he didn't have an obligation to love Via, which he did, so much so he tried to protect her from the truth of his marriage for her to have a normal life, but that ended up backfiring.
@@SerenityM16 And Stella ordered a hit on her husband while Via was literally right next to her. Your point?
The way people reacted to Via in this episode was so unfair - your view on this is SO needed and appreciated.
YES
Very ture viva needs time to heal, and Stella and adrnies are not helping, but they very rarely do.
Exactly.
I think people forget and don't realize how big of a deal the Azathoth's tears thing from seeing stars was. On top of everything else going on and Octavia clearly suffering from some kind of issues regarding insecurity and/or anxiety, it's not weird she's not acting completely rational.
100%! For those of us who have had similar issues to Via, I think the reaction from a lot of people was actually quite hurtful, because it showed just how many people fundamentally don't get it, and often, don't even try to understand. You can really tell who's parents were either happily married or amicably divorced.
Personally, she is one of my favourite characters, alongside Loona, because the way Viv wrote their personalities and how they reacted to their upbringings feels so genuine, much like Angel Dust in Hazbin Hotel. I understand why those who can't relate to them don't like them, but I think they're incredible
Realising your parent has been utterly miserable for years but endured it in order to give you a picture of a proper family is such a heavy burden even for an adult, let alone a teenager.
Plus, teenagers have a tendency to be kind of self-centered due to how focused they are on their inner thoughts and feelings at that age. It's a stage of becoming an adult that you eventually outgrow.
Not even just teenagers, but everyone can, and deserves to a degree, to be selfish when it comes to family dynamics or dynamics with loved and cherished ones because it is personal and it does effect your life. There's just more layers as a dependent and more likely to have less experience to draw upon.
Her willingness to risk herself shows how much she still loves her dad
Super important to note that the opposite of love isn't hate. She can hate (I say hate even though she's closer to just being angry) Stolas all she wants, but it means she still cares deeply. Same with Stella (though her 'caring' is more just from trying to get Stolas mad)
She just needs time to process his choices and why he made them. Plus, I think seeing her mom closely will make her see her through his eyes.
@47ratsinahoodie I think it was the guys on Cinema Therapy who said "you can't have hate without love."
@@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128 I don't think that's always true, but they can definitely coexist.
Like Blitzø said she still loves her but needs time.
Octavia is grieving. She's confused, she's hurt, but she still loves her Dad. She took his pills to him likely to have the episode's end conversation with him, but on her own terms. Instead, she had to save her dad's life when he went to see her, and that conversation came after a very heated fight.
She's living with Stella and Ice-Bird now. She's going to see first hand why Stolas was as miserable as he was. it's going to take some time, she has to figure things out, but I think she WILL figure them out, and she will be willing to hear him out and take him back into her life. This is Helluva Boss, so it'll be a good while before it happens, but I'm confident she'll want him back someday.
100% you are totally right imo,
She realized all of these horrible truths because she is clever, perceptive, and in search of the truth.
She will still be clever, perceptive, and search for truth even if Stolas is not around."
Many people only realize how much of a burden they were when they have children and see how difficult and stressful it is, but then they also see clearly that they still love their child unconditionally.
I totally get where Octavia's coming from. Time and time again, Stolas has chosen Blitzø over her, and with how messy her homelife and Stolas and Stella's divorce is, it makes sense she'd assume she's part of of his misery, that she's part of the problem, especially after finding the anti-depressants. I'm sure she'll come around.
It's also very common for kids of divorced parents to blame themselves. So a lot of Via'd outburst is likely self hatred. She thinks she caused it all and probably thinks it would be better if she wasn't born. It's very very wrong, but she's not thinking clearly because she's hurt. Those times are the most dangerous and can lead to self harm (for birds, usually feather plucking) and she needs someone to watch over her and care for her that isn't her parents for now. Like a group of friends while she processes
I feel that' unfair to say. Stolas has never chosen Blitz _over Octavia._ He's chosen Blitz over Stella, and the abusive home situation he was facing. But every time Octavia has needed him (and sometimes when she didn't, LooLoo Land), he's dropped everything to go see her.
The problem is she's still young and immature, she thinks every obstacle standing in Stolas' way is a choice made by him, and that is false.
Exactly
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Really because last time I remember Stolas was constantly thirsting over Blitz at LooLoo, making octavia very uncomfortable
Or seeing stars Stolas ignore Octavia to argue with Stella over the phone and then get distracted by watching blitz do a comedy show instead of looking for Octavia, also I don't think it was Stolas who ended up finding her any way.
Children who were abandoned don't look at Via as wrong, we hurt for her, we will for her because we understand. We look at Stolas and cry because he should have told her. It is a reminder of our childhoods and having to freeze off everything and one before they could hurt us.
This isn't universal. Which is probably obvious, but I think it's important to make sure folks know there's no one, correct way to feel about something you've experienced. I find Octavia harder to sympathize with than Stolas in this. Which is bias based on my own issues with abandonment. And that's not to say I don't feel for her or think her feelings aren't valid. I think people turn a lot of very messy issues in fiction into binary problems where people are expected to pick sides. Especially with very human stuff like this where you start seeing hurt feelings since this is something A LOT of people have personal experience with they feel strongly about.
@@PennyxXxDreadful of course! Everyone feels and inputs their situation differently. That is just how I felt and responded after my childhood and watching the episode.
Finally, someone gets Via
She hasn't had time to work through her trauma, of course it defines her
A lot of the negativity towards Octavia I've seen seems to come from a lack of understanding of what being stuck between fighting parents your whole life does to you.
The feeling of being trapped, surrounded by constant fighting (sometimes physical), the constant hatred and vitriol. Everything is used as a weapon by one parent against the other. Even what you choose to wear or eat, or how you're doing at school can be used as a weapon. Nothing you say or do is ever private. So you basically try to become as unnoticeable and unremarkable as possible.
You also shut out others and avoid making friends because the idea of them getting caught up in the conflict is horrific, and most people don't want to be within a thousand miles of your drama anyway.
You just live life in a time loop until something finally breaks, and I'm so glad Octavia finally reached that point. Now she can slowly start to figure out who she is and what she wants, without waiting for Stolas to figure his mess out first
YES. And the whole rant Georgia had at the begining about "Don't use your children as weapons!". It is so, SO true. But, so SO many people still DO IT anyway, you could tell by the end that her rant was also personal, and that she's been through that with her patients many times, either having to talk them down from using their kids as weapons, or from having to help heal the scars from people who WERE kids used as weapons.
@@AnInsideJoke I think a lot of divorced parents in real life might do that unintentionally just by carelessness, especially with adult or nearly-adult children if they think something along the lines of "obviously I'm the good parent, we all know my ex was the bad parent so it's okay to vent what we're all thinking". Like, they try not to be vocal about it while the children are small, but once they're old enough to have relationships of their own it's easier to uncork that big bottle of grievances and start pouring.
@@AnInsideJoke I totally agree. It drives me crazy how people expect those who have been through that to "Just get over it," or "We've already talked about this, I don't get why this is still an issue for you," because children who have grown up in those conditions have certain traits and insecurities baked into their personality that are there specifically to keep them safe from those they should be able to trust, and it can take YEARS to unlearn them.
I think the rise in terms like "Daddy Issues" or "Mummy Issues" has led to the problem of children being victimised by their parents not being taken anywhere near seriously enough. Like, how many people with "daddy issues" are actually suffering from CPTSD and are in desperate need of support?
That's why people like Georgia are so valuable, because without them, so many people (like myself) have no frame of reference for what is normal and acceptable.
@@helenanilsson5666 That makes sense, but I think one thing Georgia was getting at is how parents have the responsibility to make sure they don't do that. So in that instance, I would say the parents need to work on their self-awareness and realise the impact those subconscious manipulations have on their children, even if they are older
Eh, I'm not sure this is a step in the right direction for Octavia. She doesn't have many people in her life and has cut off the parent most capable of having a healthy, loving relationship with her. If anything, it's perpetuating that cycle she's been going through. Octavia seems to think they had a happy life until Stolas "ruined it." Blitz was the catalyst for Stolas breaking the cycle. Which needed to happen and is something Octavia is, understandably, having a lot of trouble getting her head around. It's a lot for her to unpack and something she's unlikely to healthily accomplish in the environment she's isolating herself in.
Most of the time, we see her with her headphones on. Which I think is pretty indicative of her character and how a lot of kids cope in abusive households. She blocks things out. I think she's at the beginning of a coming of age arc, but things are about to get worse before they get better.
1:30 I would make an argument that Octavia is in actual danger. As soon as she turns 18 and inherits the estate and all of Stolas’ wealth, there’s no telling what Andy might do her to ensure it remains his.
Also I feel like everyone is glossing over that Stella is incredibly dangerous. Not just the emotional abuse part, she tried to assassinate her husband. I wasn’t too satisfied with this episode because I feel like it delves into “idiot plot” territory, because Stolas doesn’t communicate this to Via at any point. I understand there is some realism that an abused parent may not communicate the danger of their spouse to their child, but it just feels contrived. Stolas had every chance during their final conversation to communicate, “hey, she tried to murder me, get out of there!”
I agree. Plus, after she slayed his ice hydra, Elsa will see her an even bigger threat.
@@JaguarRawr I personally think andrealphus is more dangerous. We know Stella's motives for everything. She doesn't care or want Stolas job or money because she's already rich. She wants him dead as revenge for humiliating her. We don't know andrealphus's motive though. Why does he want Stolas's job?
That's what I'm afraid of. ):
Now, she doesn't have her father to protect her.
@@lexyruse603 because Marquis is just glorified Border patrol
I keep coming back to this when I talk with folks about this episode, but I feel like Octavia _has_ to be aware of the dynamic between her parents at this point, and that may be part of why it's tearing her up so much. I'm a child of divorce, so I've been in a similar place as the one she's in right now -- between the lyrics and the imagery in her song, it seems clear to me that Via's still coming to terms with the fact that the happy home life she _thought_ she had growing up, the foundation upon which she built her sense of identity and belonging, was a _sham._
Even as her mother and uncle turn her childhood home into a frozen crypt haunted by the ghosts of her past, Via's created this little sanctuary for herself in her closet, filled with reminders of her father and boxes of his keepsakes that Stella had probably had thrown out; she still _wants_ that happy family that her dad made her believe she had, still _wants_ the feeling of security from when Stolas sang the lullaby she called back to in her song, but the loss of that feeling still stings too much for her to think about where to go next.
Like she said, she'll be okay, even though she's not okay _today._ That's a _powerful_ sentiment and a reflection of Via's emotional maturity that she _realizes_ that fact -- it's okay to not be okay, but it's still hard to admit it.
What I think Octavia needs to do is look back on certain memories from her childhood that involved both her parents and think about how they were behaving in front of her. How much of her parents' relationship did Via overlook when she was a child?
@kittylover62 It'd be hard to make an objective assessment of that, considering memories can be colored by how we feel about them in the present -- right now, any memory Via has of her father smiling is going to be tainted by the thought of 'Was he _actually_ happy, or was that just the _medication?'_
Keep in mind, she's still wondering how much _she's_ to blame for her father's misery. Even when parents try to shelter their kids from their problems, the kids find out about them eventually, and the easiest conclusion to reach about why they were kept in the dark is that their parents blame _them_ for it -- that's exactly how it played out for me, and since neither of them ever _denied_ that suspicion, I can't rule out the possibility that they *_do_* blame me for their troubles. (I'm pretty sure I was a mistake that derailed _both_ their plans, and now they just see me as a disappointment and a burden. They admitted to the latter and never denied the former.)
One thing I’d like to say and theorize is that maybe Stella put out the idea that Stolas will abandon her when she was still a child. And also another I find interesting is how Octavia sees blitz and how blitz sees Octavia. Octavia villainizes blitz by believing that he stole her dad and he’s reason her dad doesn’t love her anymore which is heartbreaking, and Blitz just sees her as another daughter. When Blitz sees the family on Christmas he sees himself and his “ family” huddled around the fireplace and you can see him hug both Loona and Octavia, which is heartwarming.
Would have been better if we would have been shown that. But as is, its fine since Octavia come to her own conclusion, which might have been better than having Stella poison Via's mind.
Something to note though, is that, if we take the song into consideration, there's no single clue that Stella is shaping Via's train of thought, which would be the perfect time to do so.
@@yiacope5503 I absolutely LOVE the contrasting view they have of each other. Via thinks Blitz is cutting her out and replacing her in her father's heart, meanwhile Blitz is all "a SECOND DAUGHTER?! DON'T MIND IF I DO! 🤩😍🥰" And I am really hoping that he can get through to Via before it's too late. Because she DESERVES Blitz's kind of complete, unconditional validation, support, and love that he gives Loona. That would do WONDERS for her.
The thing is I don't see any hostility towards Blitz personally, it all seems directed at Stolas. The only real negative impression she ever gives is the imagery during that one musical number. Otherwise she's pretty civil to him.
@@shadenox8164 Well her father's perceived betrayal definitely is the open wound. So Stolas rightfully gets a lot of her feelings directed at him. And I don't know if I'd call Via civil as much as dismissive. She's barely spoken with him that we've seen onscreen. I'm curious to know if there have been other times. She obviously knew exactly where his office is, where he kept the Grimoire, and had no reservations about taking it. She's not AFRAID of him. She also sought him out specifically after the trial trusting that he wouldn't have abandoned Stolas somewhere in that month of no contact. There's some kind of connection there.... she's just hurt. But this is why I think it's gonna be Blitz that helps reunite father and daughter.
@@saralovelace7219 Except just because someone else wants you in their life doesn't mean you yourself want to be in their life. It's why trying to blend families can be messy and outcomes vary based on approaches and individuals involved.
Thank you so much for giving Octavia a voice. I've seen how the fandom is all ranting and raving how much she's being an ungrateful child, my partner included and I can't help but relate to Via's situation of being raised in a dysfunctional household setting.
The only thing I didn't like about her side of the argument was she knew how horrible stella was, and she even noticed he tried calling her. Yet despite him supposedly calling for months, she still thinks he's just faking it. That's just my take on it. I get what she's going through, but I just think she is handling it wrong is all.
@@OrionPax1983 I understand, we all don't like how Via handled it, but given that the show didn't provide her nor the audience with no other outlets, such as school or friends. the end result is proof of how little to no resources she has to navigate what she's dealing with internally. Sometimes the best option is to take out the things that hurt us even though we know we probably know those people love us.
I like that Stolas never slanders Stella to Octavia or tries to ruin their relationship. After all of Stella's abuse to him, Stolas still never tells Octavia or uses it as an excuse for their broken home. Letting her in on that information would've helped explain a lot of what she's misconstrued about it all. But he doesn't want to hurt Octavia by tearing down her mother.
cost money to get egagement now huh. weird. Sorry I'm not paying anyone. That's youtubes job.
Well he does say she's "being a real B. I. T. C. H." In front of Ocatvia at the start of season 2 episode.
Episode 2 Seeing stars
Well it Didn't help Their relationship it SHATTERED Their relationship Stolas or Blitzø Could've Easily Just Explained What Happened But She Didn't Even Tried Listen Or Hearing Them Out she just Went With the CONCLUSION that Stolas never Care for Her or Stella which Is not True even Having an SONG about Not needing Him which is disrespectful And then Saving both Stolas and Blitzo only Just to Tell them Off which Was also BS
Didn't he tell Octavia that her mother is being a real "b-i-t-c-h"? Lmao.
One thing I’ve noticed from a lot of reactors who see this episode is that they are confused by Octavia’s hurt and in her song when she says he lied to her, when she saw he was trying to call her and heard her mom say he’s been trying to all month, and she’s been purposely keeping Via from talking to Stolas. But I think when you look back it makes sense. From her perspective she feels Stolas has prioritized his romance with Blitz over her, and to be fair she isn’t wrong. The final straw I believe was when he willingly sacrificed his life to save blitz, but also meant he’d be leaving her forever. Of course she’d feel abandoned and that he didn’t care about her or her feelings. She has every right to be hurt, and right now she’s not ready to hear his side.
For me personally, eventually I’d like to hear from her if she’d prefer her dad leave Blitz to stay with her, like an ultimatum. Which wouldn’t be fair cuz even though he needs to be better at communicating to his daughter, he’s allowed to find love and pursue it. Would she want him to leave the man he loves and just stay with her, regardless how heartbroken he’d feel? Hopefully I’d like to think she’d learn that just because he fell in love doesn’t mean he loves her less, and there’s room in his heart for both.
Yeah, I think a lot of people misinterpreted what kind of tool those phonecalls were. Even if Octavia had been able to answer the phone, Stolas would not be able to fix this over a phone call, so the missed calls have relatively little bearing on her anger towards him - she is assessing the situation based on what happened *before* he started calling (which is not the same as her not wanting those phone calls - the reason she's so disappointed in him is because she loves him and she probably would have liked to at least hear that he's okay even if she wouldn't forgive him).
Rather than Octavia, the missed phonecalls are there to motivate *Stolas'* reasons, specifically his decision to storm off to the palace on a suicide mission to see his daughter.
Thing is, and it's a detail I'd missed on my first watch, is that Octavia DIDN'T hear he tried to call her all month, she had the earplug in during that moment. She basically saw he tried to call her the first time and never again
@@riccardomosena4162 Yes, but not getting those phonecalls is not the primary reason why she's angry with him, and the calls wouldn't have solved those issues even if Octavia had been allowed to answer.
@@helenanilsson5666 no, but it added fuel, she may have seen like he didn't care enough to keep trying.
Never said they were the primary reason or that it would have solved everything, even though they would have helped
I think it would be very interesting if she gave that ultimatum, because I feel Stolas would leave Blitzø for her. He'd be broken, but he'd leave, and he'd try to be there for her. And Blitzø would understand, I think, because he'd do the same for Loona. All Stolas would need to say is "She's my daughter," and he'd get it.
I knew the moment it happened people wouldn't like Octavia leaving Stolas.
And that's a very big distinction.
She's not chosen Stella, she's left Stolas.
But I felt it worked well, even with the knowledge that Stolas has been trying to reach out.
We know he loves her, that she's everything good about his life with Stella.
But that's viewer knowledge, and something Stolas is gonna have to communicate to her somehow.
He's gonna need to prove to Octavia that he cares for her, that he wants to be one big happy family with her, Blitz and Loona.
The beanie!!!!! You got the crown on it! I love it!! It's so perfect! Would un-ironically wear it casually!
Also so glad you decided to make this video. Too many people have been ragging on Via for her side of things instead of realizing that she's a teeanger caught in the middle of all of this, and that her father did make her false promises - and that children often can feel abandoned while parents are struggling with finding love in their own love and life while still raising a human who is forming their own existence at the time its happening.
Demon, in Via's case.
It's too bad because Octavia looked excited, happy, and 100% ready to talk to Stolas the first time he called her in the episode, but of course Stella happened. It seems like Stella kept Via's phone.
and I don't see how that leads her to thinking Stolas didn't care, he was literally trying to reach her and Stella was laughing at him trying to reach out to his daughter.
how did she come to the conclusion that he didn't love her and that the antidepressants he was on were because of her and not his abusive wife 💀
@@victoree6680 its actually simple logic. And Stolas admited this himsef in ep 1 of season 2 "the only reason why i have endured your constant insults and cruelty was for that girl to have a normal life". He stayed misereble with Stella and didnt divorce because Octavia
I absolutely adore the fact that Loona openly calls Blitz "dad" now, it show how close the two have come together.
I wonder if Loona will be the key to getting Octavia and Stolas back together, given how their last conversation went.
Given Via doesn't seem to have many friends, Loona is the closest thing she has. Might be interesting if we get and arch where Via rubs away from home and Loona moves in with her to be her support. We get to see softer sides to Loona (maybe more about her backstory) and silky light hearted parts with blitz and stolas navigating life as empty nesters
Thank you so much for doing Octavia too Mrs. Georgia, my second most favorite comfort character in the Helluvaverse! So many Stolitz stans are literally saying nothing but nasty things about her, all because of her own feelings, it scares me.
I like Stolitz, but it is undeniable that Octavia has her reasons. Throughout the second season Stolas was almost completely absent towards Octavia and acted impulsively to save Blitz's life and Octavia's fears were coming true.
Yikes. ):
I actually wasn't aware of the backlash towards Octavia and honestly, that kind of behavior doesn't surprise me anymore. It pretty much happens in all fandoms these days. Even thought Stolas and Blitz are among my favorite characters in the show, I also like Octavia and I feel that she had every right to react the way she did.
I feel like a lot of people misunderstood why Octavia's reaction here. She had every right to be upset when you look at things from her perspective. This video explains it perfectly
I've been looking forward to this video! Between Sinsmas and TADC's Fast Food Masquerade episode, I knew you'd have things to say.
I think another complication of Octavia's feelings is that she's afraid that Stolas has stayed miserable for years for her sake, that she held him back, that he sacrificed his happiness for her sake. And the worst part is that she isn't even completely wrong: Stolas has outright told Stella that the only reason he didn't divorce her sooner was because he wanted Octavia to have a normal childhood.
So while she's angry with him, and feeling betrayed, she's also pushing him away because she thinks that's what's best for him. That's she's freeing him from the obligation of caring for her.
Which is very reminiscent of Stolas' reasons for ending his relationship with Blitzo... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
I'm so glad you did this. It's been painful to see the fan backlash to Via after this episode, so it's been healing to see you expressing exactly what she's going through. Vivziepop is clearly writing her this way for a reason.
“How dare Octavia act like a distressed teenager and have her own feelings!” -a good chunk of the fucking fandom
Maybe Viv knows from personal experience
As someone who's been through a similar situation as Octavia and has her as one of my favorite characters because of it, I have nothing but sympathy for her in regards to her situation and her feelings about it. Even without Stella and Adrealphus hovering over her, she's still a teenager going through one of the most difficult things a kid can go through all alone, as well as reeling from the fact that the parent she was clearly the closest to having no problem throwing his life away for the person he promised he wouldn't leave her for. She needs a safe outlet to express her feelings before anything else.
I can guarantee you that she won't be safe with Stella and Andrealphus.
I'm so glad someone is defending via and there's a community that doesn't hate her. Its such a tricky situation and people are mad that she has no character growth because she's lingering on this issue with her dad. Well... yeah, exactly! She's a teenager and this is exactly what her world is right now, its centered around her parents' divorce and her mom antagonizes her against stolas while stolas is being somewhat neglectful of her. Thats the reality she lives in and its hard for anyone to grow and get out of that. I know exactly how Octavia feels and her line "you'll only know my name" is SOOO powerful
100% all of this!
I believe Octavia WILL come around eventually, but I understand where she is coming from. Her father has repeatedly chosen an IMP over his daughter, and while Blitzø may want to be a part of the family, this decision might have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
Agreed
For sure, and also considering that she protected them from Andrealphus, she still loves her father. I'm also pretty sure that Via hasn't fully caught on to Stella's intentions.
"Trust is a very fragile thing it takes years to build seconds to break an eternity to repair that betrayal can last a lifetime"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney EOJ
Not me watching this while struggling with my own fear of abandonment AND anticipating splitting up with my child's father.
Honestly, really needed to watch this. Thank you. I love these videos.
I feel like Via knows that Stella doesn't really care about her or at least doesn't treat her like she should. We see her post on social media, but we never see any indication of having any friends. So without her father, she has no one to rely upon.
Yup, and that's a very big distinction we need to make. She didn't choose Stella. She left Stolas.
@@amaccoy yeah some fans think that because she’s angry at Stolas and wants to keep her distance from him that she likes her mother more or thinks she’s better. When I don’t think she thinks that. She’s just used to tuning her mom out and deals how she does. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s used to her mom being distant. But considering she fought her uncle who tried to kill her dad, while he may not mention to Stella, via may hit her breaking point and run away, or by the time she’s 18 (which may not be long since I think she’s 17) she’ll kick her mom and uncle out. I can’t picture her standing to live with them much longer since she seems very fragile right now, and her mom and uncle’s obnoxious behavior may begin to be too much. Especially if Stella tries to brainwash her or try to force her to change her appearance or how she acts now that she has fully custody
@@reyfan011 Like there's a reason why when she was a scared little child she called out for Stolas, not her mother. On some level she knows.
It was all so heavy; Octavia was lost in thought while her mother thought about ridiculing her ex-husband. The maternal instinct had not kicked in, but Stella's laughter is quite funny when taken out of context.
Anyway it would be interesting to have a new video on Loona, she has had a huge development in the last four episodes.
Someone’s likely pointed this out already, but Octavia making the decision in “Sinsmas” for both her and Stolas without letting him explain is a parallel to Stolas and Blitz in “The Full Moon” where once Blitz realized what was happening, Stolas didn’t hear him out because he thought he had Blitz’s answer and everything spiraled from there.🥺😭 I think Octavia will come around eventually, but she needs to know the truth first.😢 It’s so sad that one of the lyrics in the song is about him calling her on the phone, which is exactly what he’s been doing all month, but she doesn’t know because Stella took her phone.🥺
Also, Octavia believing that Stolas is better off without her is so heartbreaking, but unfortunately because of Stolas sheltering Octavia and repeatedly being more focused on Blitz, hating Stella or being in his own head instead of being there for her lately, and now finding his medication, what else is she supposed to conclude?🥺😭
Also, your Octavia cosplay is so cute!😊💜💜💜
Exactly!
Stella literally took her phone when she saw him trying to call her. She knows.
The sad thing is that if Via had just taken out her earbud a few seconds earlier, she would have heard Stella admit how hard Stolas was trying to contact her.
I missed that was there a sign it was on?
Oh I miss it. I thought she still heard her despite the earbuds.
@@GregPrice-ep2dk I'm honestly not sure how much that would have helped. Via already had reservations and was already hurt. I mean, she can obviously leave the palace whenever she wants to, and yet she waited an entire month to try and find Stolas. I think it's a lot more complicated than not hearing about his calls.
@@saralovelace7219 Maybr, or maybe it would have been enough to at least get her to listen to his side.
@@GregPrice-ep2dk She already knew that, he literally called her she saw it was him and Stella took her phone. Don't think that would change anything that the first time didn't cover.
I really hate how the fandom treated Octavia
Oh no! How dare Octavia have her own feelings and act like a teenager whose life isn’t stable? How dare she be justifiably angry at her dad? How dare she not just forgive Stolas?
Geez, maybe it’s just me since I have a lot of issues, but most teens won’t be like “it’s okay dad, I forgive you for leaving me”
Georgia, what can kids like Via, victims of parental alienation syndrome, do to break free from parents like Stella, who have custody and alienate their kids? How can the kids stop the alienation after they see the alienating parent as the bad guy?
Divorce from a child’s perspective is hard.
And the problem right now people don’t want to believe it can look so illogical
I feel so bad for Octavia, she’s going through so much right now. 😢 People are being so mean to her right now.
Georgia, I would love you to do another video about Stolas and his mental health issues. Glad you did this one of Octavia first though because the takes people are having toward this are insane…
10:40 I think there is another meaning as well. It can be paraphrased as "So that means that you had to suffer from everything else in your life just to stay with me". Also this is connected with happy pills usage
Georgia was speaking with passion at the very start. I was not expecting that immediately.
The advice you give about waiting when you are upset or feel anxiety before responding is such good advice but can take a long time to learn to control yourself enough when you're feeling it.
Thanks for talking about this! Watching that episode I couldn’t help but tear up for Octavia. I had a mother just like Stella, and a father who was very much like Stolas. I feel so much for her. Eventually I realized what a toxic person my mom was and cut off contact with her, and my life has been a lot better for it. Hopefully Octavia can do the same at some point in this series
The line between trust and betrayal isn't as clear as many wish to believe. Once it's crossed, there can be no going back. Because some damages.......are permanent.
There is one point Octavia is right, though. While Stolas truly loves her, he did made the choice for Blitzø’s sake in reckless ways without considering the consequences it’ll have on his life & mostly importantly his relationship with Octavia.
Exactly. Poor girl is just treated as an afterthought. Loving your child is enough. You have to do a lot more than love them. You have to SHOW it.
@@ashebennett7726 Because he didn't let someone he cared about die in a spur of a moment decision? Come one. Octavia is right to be hurt because of what happened, but don't pretend what Stolas did was unreasonable in the moment either.
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Yeah, don't blame him for trying to save Blitzo.
But maybe there needs to be a "what if" epsiode where Octavia sees an alternative reality where Blitzo WASN"T SAVED.
There would have been consequences in that timeline too.
No offense to the fans!
Woman, you're speaking so clearly and sensibly and yet efficiently! I've never heard someone make so much sense so fast! Well done and thank you.
Thanks that’s very kind I do try
For me, the saddest thing about Via's hurt, is that she has no idea that her life would be so much better if she could embrace Blitzo. He already cares for her and wants to be a whole family with her. Stolas is the only person Via ever felt cared for her and she is so isolated because of that. She really needs more people who love her.
Stolas would be mad and sad to see how people reacted to Octavia. He understands is his fault (partially, because Stella’s abuse are the root of everything and she made all this situation worse). It is a complex issue.
Octavia is also victim of Stella’s abuse. Stolas was her only grasp of a parental and support figure and she is overly attached to him because of that, and she thought he was happy with her (but of course, being happy with your child is not the only fulfillment an adult should have, so, Stolas accumulated so much during a lot of years and he sheltered her from his real feelings so that makes her feel betrayed, she was genuine the entire time and she feels he was faking that love and happiness they used to have, lying and lying over again).
This is why she is so mad, she also blames herself for it partially, is complicated. Stolas sheltered her from the family truth her entire life and while this might have helped her to grow healthier it also created a distorted view of everything. The abusive behaviours she witnessed she normalized them but still have left her affected, and suddenly her dad has someone else and leaves the family behind and her to deal with everything alone. Is very understandable honestly, she is a teenager, how people pretend they have the same comprehension as an adult with less information?
We as viewers have the entire picture and she doesn’t. Something that is almost funny to me is that she doesn’t know how hard it was for Stolas and Blitzø to be good together. If she knew all the hardships these two had to go through to be able just to talk like normal people.
Thank you for this video! I've seen so many videos of people saying "why are you acting like this Octavia? You've been through this a million times." And that's just it! She has been through this time and time again where Stolas says he'll always be there for her and then he does things without considering her feelings and how she will be affected. I'm not saying Stolas shouldn't have sacrificed himself to save Blitz, but Stolas has gotta understand how this looks to his only daughter.
Are you referring to Danny Motta by any chance? As much as I love his content, as someone who has been through very similar stuff to Octavia, I have to say his opinions on her situation stung a bit 😅
@@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128 yeaaaah. It's possible he just doesn't understand where she's coming from, but I still didn't feel great.
Her reaction Is BS
@@brebbbbbStolas or Blitzø Could've Easily Just Explained What Happened But She Didn't Even Tried Listen Or Hearing Them Out she just Went With the CONCLUSION that Stolas never Care for Her or Stella which Is not True even Having an SONG about Not needing Him which is disrespectful And then Saving both Stolas and Blitzo only Just to Tell them Off which Was also BS
@@JaevhonDouglas quit replying to everybody without looking at it from Vias point of view, and I'm guessing without even watching the video based on how repetitive and angry all your replies are. Nobody's going to be convinced by you
Started watching and can’t wait to see where this goes, but one thing to add real quick
Not only is Stella alienating her daughter from Stolas, she’s also making no efforts to comfort her. No “mommy’s here” or “mommy will always love you”, not even trying to convince her that she’s better than Stolas by being there for her, but instead just laughing hysterically at his attempts to contact her with zero regard for damaging it is for her
She really does have absolutely no regard for Octavia, not even to try and manipulate her into turning against Stolas; only as a means of hurting him by being something he can’t have
Octavia's big fear was losing her father, and I think when she saw him lay his head down on the headsman's block in her eyes, she was not only losing him, but he was saying he'd rather die for Blitzo than live for her.
"I have never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure"
-Clarence darrow
This show has constantly made me question if that's still applicable because man, Stella's laugh makes my skin crawl.
So many people having been turning against Octavia, it's nice to someone discuss her actions from a more understanding point of view. Stolas was a stable, loving presence in her life and then suddenly he wasn't anymore. I think she'll come around in the end though.
The fact people are so mad about Octavia reacting this way that people are dropping the show is ridiculous. Life doesn’t always wrap itself up with a nice little bow of everything works out. Her fears and feelings are real just as Stolas’ clearly people need to think and learn to be more empathetic in order to have any media literacy for shows.
Just extending the tiniest bit of empathy is such a massive key to actually reading and understanding stories better.
And emotions can have ways of ignoring logic
Her reaction Is BS
You tell em
I don’t think that the reason. At least, this isn’t one of the reasons I dropped the show. I do understand Octavia’s pov and especially empathize with her since I was where she was at. It’s…..other things I have a problem with which I’d rather not get into. But yeah, Octavia has always been treated as an afterthought when it comes to Stolas’ love life. Even if Stolas can have enough love for both, he needs to learn to sort out his priorities as a father. Octavia is the one character I relate to and empathize with the most in this series. Especially since my dad chose some other woman over me after cheating on my mom. Difference is, my mom did genuinely love my dad and was straight up betrayed by him. Then he ran away with the other woman and I have no idea where he is. It’s been well over a decade. My love for him slowly faded until one day, I was done. So yeah, my understanding of Octavia is very deep. Even if Stolas isn’t nearly as bad as my father, Octavia probably feels the way I did with my dad. Somebody give that girl the biggest hug.
People up in arms about a show going in a way they don't want it is hilarious to me 😂
Even when the show *is* going exactly where they want some people still throw a tantrum because no one in the episode spelled out explicitly what character x or y did wrong (like they're expecting the show to pause so that they can go through a list of "doing this in real life is not good") or because a new problem isn't instantly resolved. Like, chill out, this isn't Hazbin. The creators actually do have the option to pace the plot here, let them linger on the character development.
What I find especially sad in this episode is that while Octavia sees an evil Blitzø as her replacement, Blitzø himself sees Octavia as a welcomed part of his family. His "vision" of that Sinsmas Eve celebration with both daughters implies that this is exactly what he wants: himself, Stolas, Octavia, and Loona all together, all secure, all happy.
1:14 i needed to hear this but its easier said than done
Thank goodness that you're still doing these explain Theory video episodes on hazbin hotel and helluva boss PS happy Merry Christmas late Christmas and happy New Year's to you
That particular episode was like a massive emotional roller coaster for me, but that particular part made me want to just break down (except I’m on antidepressants so the ability to do so has kinda been stifled, but I still felt the pain). It honestly kinda brought me back to my own childhood traumas, though the situations regarding my parents were different but they still led me to believe that I wasn’t worthy of their love. Even now, I’m nearing 30 and it’s still kinda hard for me to be convinced otherwise. Anyway, I know things will get better between Stolas and Octavia. It’s like Blitzø said, he just has to keep trying. 10/10 video btw, hopefully the people who had negative reactions to that part of the episode will have a better understanding of what was going on in Octavia’s mind about Stolas and Blitzø
I love how we got more of a psychological look at what Via is feeling. Her feelings are 10000% valid, and she needs time to process them with a clear head. When Georgia was talking about that fear of abandonment and feeling like she may need to push her dad away… did anyone else think she was describing Blitz to the letter? I’m hoping eventually she’s able to have a heart-to-heart with Blitz so he can encourage her not to go down that road
i always love your outfits that you do for your videos, theyre so fun :) always happy to watch your videos
Thank you so much for this video. Some people have been confused by Octavia's reaction in the latest episode, when in fact her reaction is more than understandable given what her relationship with her dad had been like. In my opinion, Blitz coming back in Stolas' adult life just revealed that Stolas and Via's relationship, while being evidently very loving, was extremely codependent and couldn't keep going on like this. Stolas, being trapped in an abusive marriage, has viewed Via as the only happy escape from his miserable life. Therefore, he's devoted all his effort and care to one person for seventeen years and did all he could to shelter her because he equated her happiness with his, while not actually taking care of himself. On the other hand, Via being raised as a Goetia didn't have any opportunity to develop meaningful bonds with people her age or other relatives. While Stella was a stable element in her life, Stolas was her only support system. She grew up with the idea that there was only one person who could meet all her needs, and in return, she internalized the idea that she was responsible for her father's happiness, because Stolas acted as if loving his daughter could make up for not caring for himself.
Very understandably so given his circumstances, but the consequences are there : having internalized that closeness means codependency, Via has no tool to feel anything but threatened when her dad starts pursuing happiness elsewhere. Especially when Stolas first had a tendency to also view Blitz as an escape for his miserable life, hence fixating on him so much that he did act neglectful on occasions with Via (especially in LooLooLand, then in Seeing Stars) : Via has no way to not fear being replaced, she just wasn't given the tools. She wanted reassurance from Stolas that he wasn't going to abandon her for Blitz, but that reassurance was doomed to only work short term : Stolas promising that he would never abandon her for Blitz in LooLooLand may have soothed her into thinking that their relationship was intact, but by reinforcing the binary idea that it was either her or Blitz, it reaffirmed the codependent setting instead of challenging it. So when Stolas throws everything to save Blitz and is willing to die for him, Via has absolutely no other way to understand it than her dad choosing him over her (that, and she thought she was witnessing her dad about to get beheaded live, which is enough trauma in itself). Her rejecting him is informed by two things I think : she's angry at him because he was willing to leave her alone when she doesn't have anybody else. Rejecting him is a way of restoring a symetry in the relationship : if he doesn't need her anymore, then she will do everything to not need him in return and protect herself from that pain to happen again. And she's angry at herself, because she's internalized that her father's happiness was her responsibility, both because she's a child and because Stolas did see her as "the only good thing in his life" - which, while sweet, is an unfair position to be in on both ends. So since she "failed" doing that, she's removing herself from the equation thinking doing that will make him happy.
All of this is evidently unfair to Stolas, because caring for more than one person and actually starting to make choices for himself is in itself the right thing to do, but his execution and the context in which it happened couldn't result in anything else than a blow up. So while his actions are very understandable considering his own trauma and the impossible environment he's been put in, Via is still the child in the relationship and in no way at fault in the situation. The way she's unilaterly concluded, out of valid hurt, that her father's actions meant he abandoned her, and left him on the castle's doorsteps without giving him a chance to process/ explain himself thinking doing so was mercy, is very reminiscent of Stolas' reaction to Blitz in the Full Moon : she reacts consequently with how she's been taught to view relationships. That being said, just like Stolas and Blitz fall out was necessary for the relationship to progress on more solid ground, Stolas and Via's fallout is necessary for better horizons. These are two people who love each other deeply and need to understand that they aren't enough to make each other happy, that other people are needed and decisions have to be made for themselves, and that it's okay and better this way because it leaves room for their agency, and thus a chance at true happiness.
I think I can contribute to this conversation. I am someone who was in Via's place a few years ago, having to stop all contact with my bio dad for my own sake and sanity.
WARNING: LONG STORY INCOMING
One of my earliest memories is of my fifth b'day, my dad promised to come for my party, and so I waited. At some point during the party, I realized it was getting late, went outside and sat on my granny's sofa which was taken out to make space. I waited there for a short while, watching every car pass by, but none of them were my dad. Eventually, my mom found me and told me to go back in and dance with everyone, which I did, but not before thinking to myself "Well... Daddy isn't coming, I guess." Again, I was only 5, yet I remember every second. Worst part? This happened countless times before and after that. This is just the one I remember the most of.
What made me break contact was the realization that he didn't want me in his life, he wouldn't initiate or maintain contact, he wouldn't let me live with him "Due to the pandemic", and he didn't mind not talking to me for months on end, and yet, he didn't mind visiting my younger sister, having her stay at his house, meeting our younger sister and new-born brother, he didn't even notice I went no contact until the sixth month of me not talking to him (his only attempt of contacting me during this time happened in the 4th month), I was distraught during that time, and I swore to never talk to him again.
But recently, I did, for his b'day on 11/7, and have been maintaining friendly contact through the holidays.
It has been hard, so hard. I wouldn't have even contacted him had it not been for my littlest sister insisting on it XD but it has been healing. A full 4 years since I last spoke to him, we are finally back in contact.
I needed time to heal, a lot, especially considering that one year I got to experience living with him not being the greatest due to his neglect, but now, at 23, I feel healed enough to give him another chance, which he had been pleading for all this time.
If you're in this situation, don't worry, it'll indeed get better with time, only as long as you let it of course. Keep living and don't beat yourself up too much, this is our first time living, no one is an expert, and you shouldn't be ashamed of it. 💖
losing my daughters love was a huge point of anxiety for me ever since I became a dad, so this hit home. 🥶
As a quick note, while children can often misinterpret the whole "your choosing them over me thing", in Via's case it was a real choice because Stolas was almost executed for it. She nearly watched her dad die on live TV, and that is all kinds of horrifyingly traumatic.
Thank you! I feel so bad for her, I had to get off the Helluva Boss Reddit to not be constantly furious about people blaming her!
Via is the only truely innocent person here
I feel for Octavia to heal from all this she will have to understand why her dad made the choices he made.
There was never love between him and her mom only an abusive relationship and if Stolas could he would take her with him.
What I don’t really understand is why Octavia doesn’t seem to have feelings of betrayal towards Stella as well. Like Stella’s behavior is cartoonishly evil and she appears to have not been a very attentive parent. I understand the hurt felt in regards to Stolas but why is she not hurt by her mom as well?
This was a very good breakdown of what happened between Stolas and Octavia, thank you for this video!
It's such a complex situation, in my opinion both sides are right and wrong at the same time, it is a gray situation when everyone is hurting because of outside factors and not knowing the full story, an I think that Octavia is going to see that maybe just maybe her father & mother especially father have a reason for staying together even if they don't like each other and none of that was her fault.
Heck! For her pov she has this happy family and then out of nowhere they hate each other and the responsibility was "her dad cheated" with Blitz, she IS a privileged teen that was cuddled and sheltered by Stolas, who did such a good job hiding all the poison in that "marriage" that for his daughter the divorce and fight between her parents was so unexpected and shocking.
Poor little owl has every reason to be "a little moody" if I can even call it that, like her home situation before was stressful but now? Jesus Christ is horrible, going from normal family, to bad to worse and Via didn't even know why. She's literally alone with these two immature self-absorbed adults that don't give a single sh!t about her only the minimum and can't even act with little of empathy, it's sad because people think Stella is a "bad character and unrealistic" but I have seen people like her even worse, like you can hate you ex all you want but can you think about your child too? and Via's only comfort and safe space is gone, in her eyes, she wasn't enough for her dad to choose her and even more tragic she kinda blames herself for her dad's suffering. I would be a mess too. Both parents fail her in different ways but BOTH aren't putting her outside their own drama and she's taking all this damage. Stella doesn't care if Octavia is miserable she's happy that she won and has everything she always wanted, and I think that Stolas failed to communicate Octavia and make her feel sure that SHE WAS HIS PRIORITY.
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Poor Octavia, now is seeing her mom in a new light, she's basically laughing and enjoying his ex-husband's fate yet at the same time freaking ignoring how that is hurting her own daughter, really? They couldn't just "celebrate" in private? Does Stella really have to do this in front of her obviously suffering child? Poor baby owl! Selfish parent prove there, and people call Stolas the only "selfish" one.
I totally get where she's coming from when she rejected her dad, even more after that beautiful heartbreaking song.
She can't trust her dad that easily again, even though she is trapped with a spoiled brat mother and snobby awful uncle that are seen to care more about being mean bitches, talking sh!t, and erasing any mark of Stolas in the palace, even if she HATES how her mom and uncle are behaving, it was HER dad the one that in her eyes chose someone, A LOVER, instant of her, his daughter. So it is obvious her anger is more direct to her dad, who promises that isn't going to leave her? Who promised to never run away? Who promised to always be by her side? It wasn't Stella it was Stolas, that's why it hurts so much. I heard that hate comes from love, so since the person he loves the most was "the reason" her anger is direct with him.
She doesn't know all the context but for her, in her eyes, her beloved dad was tied to them by obligation, he was miserable, she made him miserable, she was the reason for him to stay in a marriage that he didn't want, it was her fault he was even in pills, since when? Daddy since when you are suffering in silence? Did you or her even want me in the fish place? Did mom even care I'm unhappy? Why did you two even get married? and she feels like a burden and she can't allow him to hurt her more and... She doesn't want to hurt him anymore. In her eyes she was abandoned, her father broke his promise of never leaving her behind.
And Stolas ohhh Jesus so much ignorance and privilege to unpack and unlearn, mixed with his obviously mental decline is going to explore in the worst way possible. I can't lie, I freaking cry with him when Via closes the door, the one good thing about his horrible empty life and he loses her too and Via is alone too again, poor owl family... I can't wait for a proper conversation because both parties aren't wrong but they need to talk and explain everything. Yet again Via doesn't have any context but she's entitled to her feelings, and unfortunately is acting as many family members when they discover one of them is taking medicine for depression or any mental issues "Are we not enough? Why can we make you happy? Is... Is it my fault?" But it isn't her fault, it is years of abuse, trauma and being so alone without a support system. No person can be another whole world, isn't healthy, love can't cure a mental illness.
I kinda like that they show how complex divorces are, with "cheating" in an unhappy marriage, if we can call it cheating, cuz there wasn't even love or care, and how some parents prefer to make their children suffer if that means getting back to their ex, cuz they are selfish like that. Jesus I always hate it that, I have friends that have been children in that situation and they ended up hating their parents for using them as an object of revenge.
Stolas sinking into depression cuz GOD his eyes in the end screams desperation and "what I'm going to do?". They need to talk, they must talk and Stolas needs to be completely honest, even the most... unpleasant parts, Via had the right to know the truth even if it hurts.
I can't wait to know what is going to happen.
It's not just childhood memories. In Lululand what she directly asked was if he was going to leave her and Stella to go away somewhere with Blitso and not see them anymore, and he said he'd never do that.
Having been a teen when my parents had a messy divorce and I got left with a Stella (for mostly financial reasons) I completely empathize with Via's pain and anger.
"It's not the stab in the back that kills you it is the person who is holding the knife"-Harley Quinn
First few seconds I could tell you were passionate about this. Thanks for being awesome.
definitely her outburst that episode was taken pretty negatively, but its mostly due to the other two episodes of conflict that seemed to be resolved, but really it takes longer then that to build trust once its been lost, or there is doubt within someone, even in your own family. I can understand the view "he's literally told you he loves you more then anything why are you being a brat" but at the same time, shes a teenager who doesnt truly understand his situation from her dads eyes, and everything she said to him in the confrontation isnt entirely wrong either, because he did lie, he did stay for her. Good intentions won't fix a problem like this
I just want to say that I super appreciate your takes and it helps me gain more perspective in how I perceive these relationships. I'm currently a student going for my MSW and it's ultimately my goal to be a therapist similar to yourself. You are a great role model and I hope that you'll continue posting videos for times to come. :)
My brother and I were made chess pieces between my mom, dad, and granny. All 3 are/were terrible people who just wanted to win against the other.
It is the worst feeling. As an adult, I still have to grapple with it.
Another amazing video ma'am
Once again you are talking straight facts in this video especially at the start of your video. Fantastic cosplay as always happy 2025
I'm glad you mentioned this little caveat at 1:24 because this is a situation where Octavia is in severe danger. There is no telling what Andrealphus and Stella are willing to do in order to hold onto power. Stolas and IMP need to take them to court and get full custody of Via to protect her from them.
Honestly being a part of so many fandoms; Including Helluva Boss, I've seen the ins and outs. There are beautiful signs of love for the characters and world they populate in fandoms. But there's also always less innocent sides to them.
This recent episode showed some (Not all) fans have a very one-sighted way they watch the show. In this case some people experience the show as if through Octavia's eyes. While others see the show through Stolas'. Which is great, but it doesn't leave room to understand BOTH characters.
In the grand scheme there was no strictly wrong person concerning these two. It's unfair for people to strictly blame Stolas for what happened. Because he experienced having a less than connected father. As well as a verbally abusive marraige.
Then it's naturally wrong to strictly overlook Octavia as well. During her younger years, Stolas was the single parent she based her foundation in. And during this recent episode, she was separated from that parent. Which lead to her crumbling emotionally.
It's so hard especially for someone like Stolas to be perfect. Like every real life parent he has chips and scars in his life. And it's also hard for Octavia to suddenly be thrown under the care of an alienating mother and an equally alienating uncle.
There is no true villain in this story. And there is no true hero either. In situations like these there are only victims. Father and daughter need to go through the motions. Before finally reconnecting, and tearing down the walls that currently separate them. ❤
I understand what Octavia is going through, I went through something similar and I thought a lot of what Via thinks when I was a kid. I see Stella as a sick caricature of my own mom. Exaggerated but so similar. It's so bad I'm waiting to see if Stella hurts Via, though I really don't want that to happen. Hopefully she'll come around with time like I did.
Maam, I would LOVE to hear your thoughts and breakdowns (or even reactions) to the characters from creature commando's. I think you'd have a field day getting them on your couch.
I'm really happy to see this perspective, I knew this was coming since the Loo Loo Land episode so I'm shocked everyone is so upset about Via when you can see that brewing the ENTIRE show so far. I like watching how Stolas and Via handle this because it's SOOO realistic you can tell Vivzie is pulling from someones actual childhood (not sure if its her own). A lot of people don't think about how damaging "stay together for the kids and keep them out of it" is and the hurricane that can storm down on you whether you're the child like Via, the Stolas parent, the incoming stepparent with nothing but good intentions so the Blitzo, or the resulting biological child of those two people and Via would be the older half sibling, or even the other step-child like Loona would be, everybody feels the harm from it in their own ways and a lot of times the Stolas parent just thinks it'll work itself out or even blames the other Stella parent justifiably thinking its all their fault and then never moves past that point so they can avoid the work of solving it or risking anything with the Blitzo stepparent. I think Stolas might have been holding onto this delulu idea that Octavia would be fine as long as he was still coming around but when your parent felt emotionally distant your whole life you don't want to see them happy with someone else everyday because it makes you wonder why that wasn't possible with you.
Took my own childhood (of being the resulting new kid with the shiny nice nuclear family vs 5 older half siblings all with their own respective absent parent one way or another) and now being in the Blitzo position of having to watch Stolas deal with Stella but really push to try to get back to his own daughter for years now to appreciate Via's perspective. I can respect my siblings' feelings a little more even though "Why do you keep FB messaging me this is weird, just a like a post or something and go away" is the closest I ever got to any of them😅 Also decided I'm not having any kids until my Husband can finally get things situated and I can meet my step daughter and after she gets that one on one time she needs she can tell me herself she doesn't mind sharing her Dad with 2 people now instead of 1.
Man... this song unearthed a bunch of trauma I had when I was a kid and left my crying for days... its SO well written!!!
Via is INSANELY right in her anger for towards her dad. I see more people angry at Via for being "a whiny teenager," and not talking about how Stolas literally chose DEATH over staying with his daughter. Without hesitation!!! He could have at least taken her with him to court. He could have argued for visitation the second he got banned. But he was too caught up in his own drama and basically forgot she existed for an entire week. I do think he deserves to be forgiven eventually, but he really needs to own up to that MASSIVE mistake of abandoning her, and thank Sa Tan for not following through the execution Stolas basically offered himself up for!
Happy New Year Georgia! SMILES PROUDLY - As one of your Channel Members, I got this video TWO DAYS AGO! A Georgia video is always the best way to start the New Year! I can totally relate. Except it all was not due to my choices. Next relationship will be with someone more...pleasant?
"There was three of us in this marriage so it was a bit crowded"-Princess Diana
Another phenomenal vid Georgia. Crossing my fingers and hoping you have more to say about some of the other goings on in Sinsmas. It was such a great and DENSE episode and I'd love to hear your thoughts on so much of it.
If not, still grateful for the Octavia special. Happy New Year and thanks for all your great content.
Omg, thank you for speaking about Octavia. Shes my favorite from the series. ❤
I’m pretty sure it’s very obvious especially now that Stella doesn’t love her daughter at all not even a little bit, I don’t think Stella is able to feel genuine love and I doubt that the writers will ever show her having genuine love for another. However if it does happen then I’ll happily eat my words. As for Octavia, she is 100% in the right to be mad at her father for is stupid choices. She is seeing her worst fear happen before her eyes, her fear of her father leaving her. Sure she could’ve at least heard her father’s side of thing but she’s not obligated to believe what he says. When it comes to the pills she jumped to conclusions I’m not denying that. Maybe it would’ve helped if Loona got involved and explained everything, still wouldn’t guarantee that it’ll help though. She has been burned by her father 2 times before and she didn’t want to repeat the cycle a third time. I know that her father was just being impulsive which is very common for him but that excuse the negative effects it’s had on Octavia even if it was unintentional. I hope that at some point that Octavia and her father have a proper talk maybe have Loona there to support them and help.
I love these compassionate analyses
Omg I'm so excited for this!!! This was MADE for you to analyze! ❤🥰💞
I think people also don't take into account that via can't see the whole story like the audience xan, so when she says that stolas lied to her once and that means he'll do it again, as far as she knows, that's true. He may have had all the best intentions in lying to her, but that doesn't change the fact that he still proved with his actions that he is capable of deceiving her. It undermines her autonomy as an almost-adult and causes a rupture in the relationship
Given the amount of bottles of antidepressants that Stolas has in his medicine cabinet, I'm wondering if Stella traumatized him to the point he's abusing his prescription and, on top of his potential alcoholism we saw in the flashback when Blitz tried to steal the grimoire, he must have been doing figurative backflips and somersaults to keep the reality of how bad it was from Octavia.
I was seriously hoping you will focus on Octavia this episode
Thank you ❤
Georgia, this was a great video! My heart breaks for Stolas, but with him not ever explaining things, honestly, to Octavia, this was bound to happen.
Will you be doing a video about Stolas' mental health and withdrawal symptoms from his pills and/or how Blitz was in full-on Caretaker mode during that episode?
YES! I was waiting for this video! Thank you so much!
That choker was a main character. I love these videos.
Welcome back gorgeous Georgia
I’m so tired of people shutting on Octavia. She’s just a kid and her dad won’t communicate.
Happy New Year! and yeah... this kinda of aspects are kinda deep and some parents do not know the harm they do to their children by trying to make them choose...