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This Helluva Boss character marathon is awesome, great job Georgia. However the work isn't over because next there's Moral Orel, oh if Georgia picks this show up I can't wait to see the reaction to season 2 finale and all of season 3
"You shoot our only Hellhound", "I've got a new Hellhound", "You are my bosses freaky exes Hellhound", "She is our bosses Hellhound", In every conversation Hellhounds are seen as a possession, not a Person, which makes Blitzys "She is my Daughter" even more precious to me.
@@joaosoares-rr5mj She has the same personality type as her father. She tries to keep everyone at arms length for the most part because she is terrified of being hurt again. Yet you see moments where she genuinely cares about him.
@@joaosoares-rr5mj Humans don't make sense, we're illogical beings who have a hard time seeing the bigger picture outside of our limited frame of reference and run entirely on survival instincts.
Quite literally this. I love being social and I love going out but the actual step of doing that is difficult when I’m alone. I find I’m more outgoing and talkative when I’m with someone I trust as opposed to not. Being alone drains me but it’s the fear of being judged that keeps me from leaving my comfort zone. I have hope that we can overcome this, as difficult as it may feel it’s after all nothing more but a mental blockage.
@@ZephyrBW When it comes to foster children, no it doesn't. Maybe from a narrative sense, sure. But IRL, it may or may not. But if it does, it is a huge moment.
I saw a take along the lines of "you can tell who was bullied as a kid by whether they understand why Loona doesn't trust Bee." I think it's so true, I do think Bee is being sincere with Loona but having experienced a lot of mocking-nice mean girl behavior growing up I completely understand why Loona saw red flags. Bee is so sweet it seems more likely to be sarcastic or insincere, and by keeping her guard up Loona is saying, "This must be a joke at my expense and I'm not falling for it."
Yeah. When Georgia brought up Bee's "fakeness," it kind of both did and didn't hit. Bee is both fake AND sincere at the same time. It reminded me of a quote I heard about Audrey Heburn's character in the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's": that she was "a fake who didn't KNOW she was fake, and therefore genuine in that fakeness." Bee does seem to want the best, and want good things for the people around her and for them to feel good, but her ego kind of gets in the way a bit at times. Plus, she doesn't always realise that what makes her feel good doesn't always make everyone else feel the same. Bee goes off of the logic that being drunk/high/crossfaded feels amazing to her, and she wants everyone else to feel good when they're around her, so she thinks having them be drunk/high/crossfaded will make them feel just as good (hence the "...Are you good? Are you drunk?..."). And she really only picks up that sometimes it's not okay when someone is MAJORLY and obviously overdoing it and/or using that to cover up something else (like Blitzø later in the episode).
@@AnInsideJoke I think we all have a bit of us that puts on a show for others, especially us neurodivergent folk. And considering she’s sensitive to the energy people give off (possibly literally eating it or absorbing it in some way), the way I interpreted the scene was that she could tell that Loona was having a hard time getting into the party and letting loose, and was trying really hard to help Loona out of her shell. But she doesn’t know about Loona’s past or her trust issues, so she doesn’t realize she’s going about it in the wrong way. Plus, if she throws a lot of parties, she’s probably coaxed introverts out of their shells numerous times the way she’s trying to with Loona
I honestly didn't feel like Bee was being as fake as she comes off. Exaggerated, maybe, but I feel like she really did care. She really does want to draw Loona out of her shell, but because of who and what she is, Bee's interactions come off as fake.
@@GeorgiaDow I concur - we only see this character for a few minutes in one episode (thus far), but she is just *full* of personality and thus is ripe for analysis!
@GeorgiaDow I think so too! She genuinely cared about Blitz too, and actually just let him win the drinking contest. She's the sin of gluttony, she wouldn't have genuinely lost- she saw that Blitz needed the win and gave it to him. She's incredibly empathetic too, feeling the energy of those around her. However, she is over-the-top sometimes, and I think that and her sort of mean girl/California accent makes her come across as fake.
@ccondelli she didn't purposefully let him win. She sensed his vibe and got put off. You can see her face as hes chugging it, she's looking at him in concern. She didn't purposefully let him win, they were doing it, and she noticed what he was doing and got put off the drinking
Bee didn't come off as narcissistic to me, just heavily ADHD. Storytime dialogue is easier for ND people because it lets us provide examples of empathy. Plus, Bee does worry about if her guests are partying for self-destructive reasons. Despite Loona snapping passive-aggressively, understandably given that Valley-Girl dog, Bee kept her cool until Loona straight up insulted her. Actually, given how fast she went rage-mode, I'm even more sure she's ND-coded. Emotional regulation is a toughie for people like that. She is over the top happy to be around so many people having a good time, and as long as she did not realize Loona did not like her, she was perfectly cordial and wanting to share the good vibes. It's just that her real self looks a lot like other people's fake niceties. Immediately after Loona backed down and looked upset, Bee picked up on it and shrank herself. She even acknowledged that she over-reacted when Tex gave her a look. Bee is the type of extrovert to adopt an introvert, Loona's just not ready for that yet.
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@Spartan3101200 Namely, I think it's supposed to be a spiritual sequel since I don't believe it's by the same person. But it's neat that they wanted to carry on the story.
Loona is constant, living proof that Blitz can and does improve the lives of the people he loves. He doesn't just destroy people and make them worse. He saved Loona from potential homelessness, gave her a home and family and job, and his constant love is slowly chipping away at her abandonment/trust issues. He's not perfect at it, but as unstable as his personal life is, he gives her all the stability he can provide. Because he know how much she needs it. Loona's life is objectively better thanks to her dad.
@@wilberwhateley7569 ok... 1:43 is not the face of somebody scared to be kicked out into the world, it's the face of absolute fear that this is the end and there is no escape.
@@dwarf365 That’s your interpretation of that scene, but I believe that an equally valid interpretation here is one of Loona realizing just how unwanted she really is: a momentary slip of the mask she constructed for herself when she believes no one is watching (or at least no one that matters is).
I don't agree with your view that Beelzebub is a narcissist by bringing up a story of herself. I got the feeling she was bringing up a story in order to connect with Loona and show that she's not alone in feeling a little off for the comment.
I think as bee as a adhd girl. She lost the track of why she was saying that. And bringing/relating something to yourself dont makes doesn't mean it's narcissism.
@@Lony15 Yeah. Same story isn't making it about yourself. She told a *really* embarrasing story. And she's a deadly sin. It felt like she was trying to help Luna feel less awk.
@@darksonicx9320 Therapists can make mistakes and even have biases they're human, I know sometimes I tell stories about myself as an attempt to connect or ease conversation. It can be a sign of narcissism but it can also be a genuine attempt to connect. Dow has already decided Bee is fake and that's colouring her reading which is a valid read but not absolute until we actually learn more about her, maybe I'm wrong and she is being fake but I don't think she is.
I dont know that I agree that Bee is fake >.> shes absolutely A LOT and very hyper but I think she legitimately wants to just be liked, its her own insecurity imo, she feels really bad after she blows up at Loona, she just doesnt have much of an attention span I dunno maybe I relate to her too much, the lines she says about seeing Satan with his shirt off was her trying to relate to Loona in her embarrassment in a way imo
The best way I can describe Bee is that she comes off as the mean girl who fakes kindness, but really she's chill and wants to have a good time. It's her tone.
I was looking for a comment saying something like this. I really can't think of bee being fake. She's just an air headed extrovert who likes being helpful to others. And like me doesn't have much of a door between your brain in your mouth.
Agreed, she’s just a demon who wants to have fun and get along with the demons at her parties. She seven tries to blend into their style just so she can fit in. I think she was trying to make Loona comfortable and welcomed but Loona was not having it and didn’t want to be there.
I see her as the party girl that wants to all things to all people because she genuinely wants to be connected with *everyone* (she’s a personification of excess and thus takes everything to the extreme - social relationships included) - while those feelings are genuine, she’s not particularly competent in conveying them in all circumstances: so she surrounds herself with party-goers 24/7 because that kind of atmosphere is very relaxed and allows her to freely associate with everyone there without barriers that would otherwise be there in everyday life. I believe this is why she had such a strong reaction to Loona rebuffing her when she asked her to check up on her father - Loona does everything to keep those barriers up in spite of her best efforts to get her to relax and it frustrated her to the point where she snapped at her (apologizing immediately afterwards as this isn’t like her under most circumstances). This is probably also why she developed a sense for party-goers that indulge to escape from reality (as they tend to ruin the mood and interfere with her ability to freely mingle).
This made me realized that Blitz might have been accidentally isolating Loona. She clearly has a want for bonds and friends away from IMP. But if Blitz has been discouraging that behavior, she could be feeling very lonely. And Blitz doing this makes sense, considering how often he's been hurt by close bonds in the past. He projected onto her.
Agreed, he gets very overprotective when she’s talking with somebody she has a crush on. Like she’s older than 18 I’m pretty sure she’s allowed to have a boyfriend/girlfriend. Blitzø also doesn’t seem to let her on missions or go that many places.
I don’t see Bee as a narcissist. I think she’s an empath, who literally feeds off other’s feelings. Bee noticed Loona was embarrassed, and shared a story where she felt embarrassed because empathized and wanted to make Loona feel normal. Bee reads people really well, and knows when someone is having fun or self medicating. And it isn’t just her assessment, you can see her looking at Vortex for confirmation. Even when Bee gets aggressive, she is matching Loona’s energy. And as soon as Loona backs down (because it put Vortex in an uncomfortable position), apologizes, and turns around, Bee looks genuinely sad. Bee also saw Blitzø go completely over the top, and yielded rather than push it, and let him take the win. I’m not saying that Bee is totally selfless or harmless, but I don’t think she’s trying to hurt Loona or other guests. But this bubbly, socialite, political energy is too much for Loona in that moment because she doesn’t even know how to take regular compliments.
As much as we adore Loona, she still has insecurities that often get overlooked where you wish you could step in and tell her it’s gonna be alright. She deserves a hug after whatever it was she went through before meeting Blitzo.
I don't know if I'm over-reading here, but Loonas fear of needles would have a very dark context if the "pound" she was adopted from operated more like a kill shelter 😶
16:48 This line has sparked curiosity in the fandom. That seemed PERSONAL, like Poodle's owner had Loona too, or they were close before. She's not only kicking Loona down, she's digging at the wound. That's just a theory, but amazing what one line can deliver.
5:29 the way he looked back at Luna after her outburst. With all of Blitz’s issues, I wonder if, in that moment, he thought she might abandon him right then and there.
20:52 I really don't think Queen Bee is a narcissist... a narcissist wouldn't have cared that Blitzø is self-destructing at her party. That's an oddly strong word to use here.
I still feel like we've barely scratched the surface of Loona's story. The flashback that showed where she was when Blitzø first met her was the first (and, thus far, _only)_ glimpse we've seen of the pain she keeps masked behind the layers of her detached facade -- she's still not really opening up, though she definitely let her guard down a bit more around Octavia. (I really hope those two spend more time together in the future -- they're a good influence on each other.)
Thank you for a good presentation, although I disagree on one small point: I suspect that Beelzebub is completely sincere in her concern for the happiness of people around her. To an introvert like Loona, an extreme extravert like Bee could seem fake, but Bee's genuine concern becomes clear later in the episode, when she recognizes the self-destructive roots behind the "party animal" antics of Blitz. Like Vortex, Bee is a kind-hearted person, but in ways too extravagant for Loona to trust at first glance.
hoesntly she coudl ahve jsut thrown him out if she wanted to. be it jsut cause its her part and he's causing trouble, cause she is literally royalty, or the fact she could phsyically force him to leave cause she is so powerful, she chose to talk with loona and have him mor peacefully escorted. a better otucome for blitzo and loona. she is more like ozzie. vs being like mammon.
I think you're being a little unfair to Beelzebub, she's definitely not a fake person just someone who is in 11 on every scale, she's Gluttony incarnate so she's over abundant in every category from her design to her personality. Beelzebub was being sincere and friendly like giving an example of her own embarrassment with Satan showing despite her being royalty they're both the same but Loona wasn't gonna risk being made fun of so assumed the worst.
Agreed - she is a personification of excess, so literally everything about her is over-the-top! I can see why some people might interpret this as “fake” and in most cases I would agree with that assessment, but here, with this particular character archetype, it is most certainly genuine.
I'm so glad you covered Loona. Easily my favorite character. I love how she brings out the best in Blitzø and how much they care about each other. My favorite scene is when she uses her experience with her dad to help Octavia. Such big/little sister vibes. I hope we get more of it.
18:26 In the Pilot for Hazbin Hotel, Charlie sings about how inside every demon is a rainbow. Well, Bee has a rainbow inside her XD (was a nice little easter egg)
I always thought Loona was familiar but I realized SHE IS MY IRL DOG - Angy, Trust issues, doesnt like hugs, AND rips your neck off of you piss her off
Ozzy, my boy, was very similar to Loona towards strangers. He had an impenetrable shell and came off as the most hostile creature in existence. However, that wasn’t the real him. Ozzy, when in the presence of people he loved and trusted, was a super soaker of love and affection. Loona seems the same way with people who she loves or trusts. Ozzy and I were both extremely abused, and I saw myself in him. Later on I became his protector. Unlike Loona, however, he enjoyed the protection I gave him. Loona’s a very realistic character of someone who’s been abused and abandoned. No wonder I loved her so much when I first saw her.
15:59 One time in school, I fainted during one of my classes and found out a week later that someone from the class has recorded it, I had to swap periods after that happened.
I see her as a hellhound that *wants* to be a puppy but doesn’t really know how - she is so wrapped up with her insecurities and hatred of the world that she doesn’t really know when it’s appropriate to let her guard down and just have fun in the moment.
18:40 I would push back on this very firmly. Nothing about Bee in the episode signals her as fake. Bee is the lord of gluttony and she encourages others to indulge and have fun. She's actually very sincere as despite benefiting from everyone indulging she asks Loona to check in on Blitz because she can tell he's being really unhealthy. Rather than fake I'd argue this is another example of how she's very opposite to Loona. Loona is bristly and guarded and Bee is very warm and open. Edit: I'm really kind of wondering what made Georgia just go in so harshly on Bee cause she was just super negative and judgemental of her
23:13 Blitz was in Imp City in the 1st ring, Loona was at Bee's Club in the 3rd ring. If you recall, there's a bit of a border/elevator checkpoint to go between rings. Blitz, who normally can't figure out how to properly use Stolas' Grimoire, used it to portal himself and the van strait to Loona. Like he was running on INSTINCT.
Fun theory. But remember it's a show and animated. A lot of things can easilly just be a joke, or exaggeration for comedic effect It's definitely showing that he drops everything to get there immediately. But it's exaggerated for the joke
This makes me wonder what is more damaging in the long run. Being actively bullied, or being completely neglected. As a person who falls under the latter, I was upset with Luna for approaching the means girls at the party, expecting it to go well when those girls clearly were not her vibe. I’ve had people purposely ignore me and act as if I was invisible, So I learned not to force myself to engage with people who seem mean and cruel. Of course, this does not exclude the way those girls treated her, but Luna seemed more concerned with fitting in with anyone she could find, rather than having a good time at the party in general. She clearly wants to make connections, but they seem almost superficial. Not like Bee, but fake in a different way. She wants to go back to the party, mainly because a guy shows interest in her by calling her a “hottie”. (Yes, Blitzo gives her extra confidence, but she wanted to leave even when the first imp says hi to Blitzo.) The fact that Tex shows much more of a genuine respect and interest in her, she writes him off just because he is not available as a boyfriend. I get that Bee threatens her in a lot of ways, but she introduced herself, and told her to have fun. She snaps at everything Bee says, even though she’s just doing her job as the party host. People refusing to interact with me actually makes me gravitate towards people like Bee, because at least they acknowledge that I’m present. Even if I don’t know how genuine they’re being, the fact that they talked to me like an actual person, is more than what others have done. Maybe I set the bar too low, but the way Luna approaches relationships seems like she is self sabotaging herself. Love her as a character, but her attitude rubs me the wrong way sometimes.
The most ironic thing is that although she annoys Moxxie in every way possible, they are actually quite similar to each other, to the point that their behavior in the Queen Bee party episode literally resembled Moxxie with his social anxiety disorder. Hopefully we see some development as true companions instead of putting each other down since Moxxie only berates her for her laziness at work 😅
When I first saw Loona especially in the pilot episode and in the first Episode of Season 1, I tend to associate her as a cynical, apathetic, teenager not giving two F’s on everything and going with the flow, but by episode 3, "Springbreakers" along with Episode 8 "Queen Bee" and especially in Season 2, "Seeing Stars" we saw a different side of Loona as a character and deep down she does care for her adoptive dad, Blitzø and her other co-workers Moxxie and Millie and props to Erica Lindbeck providing voice of Loona, and she’s easily within my top five favorite _Helluva Boss_ characters. Still, seeing her backstory in "Seeing Stars" before she got adopted by Blitzø was emotional.😭😔
Seriously! I think I've teared up to some extent every time I've watched that part of Seeing Stars. The thought of Loona feeling abandoned/ discarded again is something that really gets to Blitzø*, and honestly, his little freakout is so sweet! (*That's how I took it anyway. Or at least, I think that's part of it.) Such a good episode
I hope we get more context to what happened to her and why she ended up in the pound and what caused her to have trust issues and having social anxiety
Regarding the topic of self-esteem being tied to negative traits, I've actually seen an increased focus in recent years on _self-compassion_ rather than self-esteem -- it's less about thinking very highly of yourself, which can lead to a toxic self-image, and more about being able to _forgive_ yourself for the times you've been at your worst. Also, I feel like this analysis might've misread Bee. Yes, she's very bubbly and outgoing in ways that seem disingenuous, but this is actually a pretty good representation of a highly social extrovert: social interaction is a stimulant for certain types of people, so when she said that she's "just really high on all this tasty energy right now!", I think it could be taken _literally_ -- it's as much of a buzz for her just being around people as whatever she brewed up in those kegs. So when she said that Loona's unfiltered honesty made her her new favorite person... honestly, I think she was being _sincere._ It might even be helpful for Loona to spend more time around Bee and the new social group she was with at the party, just to help coax her out of her shell and provide the social confidence she's still kinda lacking.
28:57 that was the specific scene I think I fell for this show. That instant and easy kinship between these two step siblings, and those particularly amazing animated frames of Loona were so clearly the thought process she was just realizing about blitz. Dislike the writers giving her that kick at the end of that episode. Felt so jarring after the conversation she just finished. Thanks for another wonderful video!
I don't know if I'd call Bee a narcissist, rather a representation of gluttony and by extension addiction. You can see she's thoughtful and a caregiver in her own way and maybe that makes Loona a bit envious of her, but Bee also requires constant endless indulgence. Not just in food and drink, but also in company. She's never not talking to someone because she can't handle not having that stimulation.
I’m so happy to see you analyzing my favorite character Loona, good doctor. As an adopted child from the foster care system, I can relate to Loona to a huge degree. Part of the reason why I love her so much.
Her origin story hit me so hard the first time (still do...), we are in the middle of Earth shenanigans on a shitty live comedy show and BAM flashback! Get emotionally attacked beeetch!
It's in one of those blink and you'll miss it moments, but when Loona drags Blitz back home, all of the pictures on the wall have his face scribbled out. Blitz is so unused to loving himself that he can't bear to look at his own face.
I had a cat that had that kind of issue. She was abandoned and we took her in from someone who, well, took her in but couldn't keep her. At some point she calmed down and started to warm up to us. She was still grouchy but she had calmed down and settled in. Then came a time we were moving to a new house. She started making noises and even started over eating because she thought she was going to get left behind again. She calmed down a LOT once we had her in the truck and she realized she was coming too. She got to live the rest of her time as a pampered house cat.
I really hope that Loona sees through Blitzo's frustration and sadness. They are so alike in so many ways (and I don't mean the trauma) but Blitzo whether he is aware of it or not is giving her something he didn't have, which is a foundation of support. She hasn't ruined her life yet like he thinks he has... and maybe he can help her when he went so long without meaningful help. And I just adore them so much... She quite literally brings out a part of him that makes him better for it... even if some aspects of that love and affection aren't always reciprocated or understood.
Luna seems like that kind of person who will grow into being the fiercest protector for kids who feel unloved/unwanted. Though Octavia's circumstances couldn't be more different from her own, she saw a similar pain and that instantly brought her usually-walled-off protective side to the surface. I really hope we see more with the two of them, Octavia could benefit from a worldly big sis sort of friend and being there for a teenager in a kind of messed up lonely situation would probably heal a little bit more of her inner wounds.
I don't think Bee is being fake at all. Maybe she does come off this way to Loona because of her trauma, but I think Bee IS being earnest about everything she does. She is this outgoing, non-neurotypical kind of person that can be hard to understand at first.
yea she had abad read on bee there. especially the part where bee talks abuot embarrassing herself inf ront of satan. that wasn't making the conversation about herself, she was telling her ofa similar situation she got herself into years ago. and arguably even more embarrassing one cause of how she views satan normally...... course brain drifting way there with wondering if she still could.
I think Bee in this was trying to give a relatable story. Yes its a bit of a Humblebrag, she was that close to Satan at one point. But still, a "relatable" story to put Loona at ease. Which would work most of the time. Great video as always.
Actually met the voice actress Erica at momocon 2 weeks ago Got a selfie and got a autograph for my long distance bestie Fun fact she is a cat person 😂😂😂😂😂 she was in awww when I had her sign my bestie hazbin hotel autocard I included a picture of her cat and her and vizziepop liked it So felt good was nervous but I was like “I need you to sign this for my bestie “ 😂😂
Reminds me of the "Free Mom Hugs" at pride. Because so many kids and even adults dont have those parents who will love their kids for who they are. We all just want to be accepted and loved by those we care about.
In defense of Bee, I'm pretty sure she's a psychovore, and is literally feeding of the party's energy. "Keep making me that m*f*ing honey" probably isn’t a metaphor, since she's Gluttony and the creator of Beel's Bub (which seems to be a type of mead, playing into the honeybee aspect). When she first approaches Luna, I think she's hopped up on party energy. If she really didn't care, she would've let Blitz spiral.
As someone with autism who has trouble relating to people and keeping my temper in check, I relate to Loona so much. In fact, I always kind of gravitate towards the kinds of characters who act all gruff and aloof to hide how much they really care for people.
I find this very interesting to read/hear. I'm autistic too and I identify a lot with Moxxie. I usually have more shutdowns and tend to be more clingy. The way he oftenly doesn't have a lot of social awareness seems very autistic to me (I believe on the theory that he could be autistic). But I also resembled a lot with Loona during Bee's party, specially relating to social anxiety and facing bullies. It's so nice how we autistic are so different on the ways we express our autism and still are so similar on the broad characteristics. x3
I really like that we got to see Loona and Octavia interact because it really brings into focus the way that both Blitz and Stolas are trying (with varying success) to be the loving, supportive father each of them wanted as a kid. And with some hiccups, they both seem to be overall succeeding.
Loona’s social anxiety is really relatable to me. Also, she definitely wasn’t one of my favorite character at first, but she’s grown on me. 💕 Just like she has endeared herself to so many characters on the show.
I think Bee might be one of those people who genuinely likes and wants to get along with everyone (sometimes to the point of it being… not okay). we don’t know a ton about her character to say for sure tho. I’m scared to say that we might not know more for a long while since her VA is super duper… huge??? But production HAS gone up since Hazbin so…! Maybe they can bring Kesha back!
Would you consider finding and breaking down Infinity Train? It’s on its way to becoming lost media and its central premise is a train that thinks it’s a therapist.
Another point about Loona's pain is that she isnt just an adopted child, she's also the lowest class of demon in hell. To the point that some people dont even treat her like a person. (Milly often refers to her as a hell hound and not as Loona as an example). They're treated like animals that are disposable even more-so than imps.
With Bee, i feel like a lot of people either immediately get what she's about, or completely miss it. As the embodiment of Gluttony, she does everything in excess. Meaning that she's being 100% herself in every scene. It can be very easy for someone with social anxiety, or especially someone who's had negative experiences with someone of Bee's personality type before, to immediately assume that she's being fake and a jerk. But Bee, as an extrovert, feeds off of other people's energy - and as the sin of Gluttony, she LITERALLY feeds on it: "I'm just high on all this tasty energy right now." Other people having fun and a good time feeds her bottomless appetite. She feeds them, and in turn, their energy feeds her. When she first interacts with Loona, she doesn't immediately pick up on how Loona's feeling because Loona is trying to hide hers, so it's being drowned out by everyone else's energy. So Bee does what she usually does to people at her parties: make them feel welcome and encourage them to have a good time. She tells the story about her seeing Satan without a shirt off to try to relate to Loona, showing that even the Queen of Gluttony has awkward moments and can feel embarrassment. She calls Loona her "new favorite person" to try to pump her up. But from Loona's perspective, it feels like "nobody is actually *this* happy or well-liked without some ulterior motive." Bee doesn't actually have any motivation to make Loona feel bad, or anyone else for that matter, because she can't feed off of that. Or, she could, but it wouldn't be nearly as sweet. Loona doesn't know that though, because she's too in her own head to realize.
I don't think it's fair to say that Bee is being fake, she's just very extroverted and upbeat. To someone with the mentality that Loona has it feels fake, but that doesn't mean she actually is.
6:25 "Sometimes we become overprotective of our children, and so we're trying to keep them safe but really we should let them grow." Powerful words as always.
The mean girl saying 'youre supposed to keep things that bring you joy' was *definitely* a pointed insult. Loona was in the adoption center, yet that hellhound had a photo of her from before Implying that Loona had a different family before Blitz, possibly one in some level of wealth/influence But she was rejected from the family and returned to the adoption center. So 'youre supposed to keep things that bring you joy' Was another level of hit, because, that previous family didnt keep Loona
You simply need to watch Good Omens! It's also a show about angels and demons. It was created by Neil Gaiman after his and Terry Pratchett's book. There are just SO many emotions, tramas, and communication issues that I would love for you to talk about!!!
Like some others, I'll have to give some pushback about Bee-elzebub. She may be fairly shallow, but she wants connection with people at her parties. For some context on her relationship with Tex, in Hell, the Imps and Hellhounds are the LOWEST of the low, as far as class goes. Bee is not only a Royal, but the Lord of Gluttony, ruling her own ring in Hell. From the get go, that tells us that she's probably pretty chill, as Tex also seems pretty chill, and not the type to put up with stuff. I'd say she's got earmarks of ADHD, as someone with ADHD. She wants everyone to be happy at her parties, and while that can seem superficial, she shows genuine concern when she asks Loona to check on Blitz, while saying that normally she'd be all for his activities at her party, if they weren't compensation for something negative she felt from him. I would say she stepped in it, a bit, with Loona, because she was trying to connect with someone who didn't want to. Because Loona was so closed off, Bee likely couldn't get a read on her, while Blitz was an open book because of his throwing himself into self-destructive behaviors. I think there's a bias about a popular party girl, who's voiced by Kesha, cuz I have a feeling that that's how Kesha actually talks, to some degree (and after listening to some interviews, yeah, just a hyped up, excitable version). I think the laissez faire way she speaks comes off as more superficial than she actually is, as she takes everything to eleven, as someone else said. Food, drinks, drugs, fun, music, partying, and since Loona tends to be closed off and keeps it more around a negative number, Bee's behavior will be jarring... not to mention that Bee is the "hot" girlfriend of Loona's crush, so I'd say part of Loona's upset might be from the fact that the competition is too steep. You can see from her immediate reaction, it was almost like, "THIS is the girlfriend? F*CK! I was hoping I was cuter than her, at least."
18:40 I'm going to disagree with you here - Beelzebub is also very direct and honest. She's more cheerful and such, but that's not fake. She doesn't need to be the center of attention either - this scene is literally her dropping out of the center of attention to chat with just her boyfriend and the friend he brought. She makes sure that everyone is enjoying themselves, sure, but I'm not sure how "making sure people are enjoying her party" indicates any of the personality traits you are ascribing to her here. She's also _literally_ an empath - she's not making people fakely seem happy, she's making sure they actually _are_ enjoying themselves. 20:15 That's the kind of compliment Beelzebub _just gave,_ though? She specifically compliments Loona's direct honesty. 20:55 The anecdote she just shared is literally about an awkward situation she got herself into with a lack of tact. "Here's a related anecdote about the time I too made a faux pas that I felt awkward about" is not exactly "listen to how wonderful I am" It also feels a little weird that you cut out Beelzebub talking to Loona about how her dad really isn't _actually_ enjoying himself despite outward appearances, and getting her to take him home.
Glad someone pointed out how fake Bee comes across as. On the one hand she does seem genuine, but I also wouldn't be super comfortable around someone like Bee.
I think a vid of the sins we've seen would be awesome to contrast them; Ozzie and Bee are so different from Mammon, and if Lucifer is thrown in for Pride it could make a really dynamic vid.
Loona is such the best girl and her and her talk with Octavia is so sweet, like that of an older sister and i wish we get to see more of that relationship in the future!
I feel a great deal of kinship with Loona now that I know more about her. Speaking as an Autistic introvert there is quite a lot going on with her that I can relate to.
Yeah, no shade towards Dow, but I feel like this was kind of a surface-level analysis of Loona. There were a lot of complex emotions hinted at and we didn't really touch on many of them.
I think you're a little off about Bee. She is genuin. In that moment, spending time with Luna and getting to know her, a new person who reacts in a way she rarely sees, Luna genuinly is her favorite person. Bee is a super extrovert. Her favorite person is whoever she is with, having a good time with. But for someone with trust issues like Luna, Bee is too good to be true. Too kind, too open, too honest, too genuin to be true. They are perfect fouls to eachother, really. I know Bee isn't the topic of this epesode, but she is genuinly worried about Blizo. He isn't endulging, he's distracting himself. He is wallowing. And that isn't what Bee is about. She wants people to have fun and enjoy themself. Get tipsy for fun, not to drown yourself. She is the Queen Bee of the Party. And not a pity party.
When I saw the episode I really thought that Bee wasn't so much fake so much as over-tuned into people's desires, or a straight-up empath. She uses synesthetic words like emotions being tasty (or not) and when Blitz beat her at her own game, she showed respect but also exploded when Loona got upset at being asked to check on him. NOW, in retrospect, maybe Bee only cared because Blitz was killing the vibe and blew her top at being questioned, but I'd like to believe the best. Also, unrelated, it's probably a bad sign when you win a drinking contest with the literal Deadly Sin of Gluttony. An excellent point on the resume, but his liver is probably a war zone!
Wow, I always knew I like the goth girl look but seeing you try on all the different outfits and styles you do for these videos made me realize how much that look makes a difference
It may be derived from anxiety but I certainly know I polarize between introvert and extrovert when blood family is in the vicinity. Being around family is very draining.
One thing that I like that their dynamic is they call each other "safe," names instead of being a nuisance. The way Loona said "Da- Blitz." instead of Blitzo.
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Can’t wait to see you analyze Blitzø & Loona’s relationship or M&M’s relationship
This Helluva Boss character marathon is awesome, great job Georgia. However the work isn't over because next there's Moral Orel, oh if Georgia picks this show up I can't wait to see the reaction to season 2 finale and all of season 3
You became an actor? Nice
i do like how Tex could tell she was upset when she was calling her dad. and it was upsetting to him as well, he does care for her as well.
"You shoot our only Hellhound",
"I've got a new Hellhound",
"You are my bosses freaky exes Hellhound",
"She is our bosses Hellhound",
In every conversation Hellhounds are seen as a possession, not a Person, which makes Blitzys "She is my Daughter" even more precious to me.
To me that says blitzø is better than the others in that department
this just altered my view of their relationship
From the looks of his apartment, Blitzø gave up the only room so she could have a place of her own while he sleeps on the sofa in the living room.
How have I not noticed that before?-
And her adoption paper is one of the only things framed and undamaged in there.
@@DanteShadowfall which kinda makes it realy weird how luna is so bad to her dad, considering that he truly does everything he can to make her happy..
@@joaosoares-rr5mj She has the same personality type as her father. She tries to keep everyone at arms length for the most part because she is terrified of being hurt again.
Yet you see moments where she genuinely cares about him.
@@joaosoares-rr5mj Humans don't make sense, we're illogical beings who have a hard time seeing the bigger picture outside of our limited frame of reference and run entirely on survival instincts.
Extroverted with social anxiety sucks: when you're alone you're drained, when you're with people the anxiety drains you
How do you have both?
Quite literally this. I love being social and I love going out but the actual step of doing that is difficult when I’m alone. I find I’m more outgoing and talkative when I’m with someone I trust as opposed to not.
Being alone drains me but it’s the fear of being judged that keeps me from leaving my comfort zone.
I have hope that we can overcome this, as difficult as it may feel it’s after all nothing more but a mental blockage.
Relatable 😢
Tell me about it.
Mhm
You have no idea how happy I was when Loona publicly acknowledged Blitzø as her father.
It had to happened at some point.
@@ZephyrBW When it comes to foster children, no it doesn't. Maybe from a narrative sense, sure. But IRL, it may or may not. But if it does, it is a huge moment.
Let me guess, you were just as happy as Blitzø was
@@suicune2001 It was a really sweet moment
@@Nahnbie2223 Won't lie I was happy.
I saw a take along the lines of "you can tell who was bullied as a kid by whether they understand why Loona doesn't trust Bee." I think it's so true, I do think Bee is being sincere with Loona but having experienced a lot of mocking-nice mean girl behavior growing up I completely understand why Loona saw red flags. Bee is so sweet it seems more likely to be sarcastic or insincere, and by keeping her guard up Loona is saying, "This must be a joke at my expense and I'm not falling for it."
I think she's sort of lying but I think her motive is benign. I'd assume benevolent but she practically said she's some sort of emotion eater.
Especially when Bee said to Loona that she is her favorite. Loona did not seem sure and took it as a lie probably.
Yeah. When Georgia brought up Bee's "fakeness," it kind of both did and didn't hit. Bee is both fake AND sincere at the same time. It reminded me of a quote I heard about Audrey Heburn's character in the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's": that she was "a fake who didn't KNOW she was fake, and therefore genuine in that fakeness."
Bee does seem to want the best, and want good things for the people around her and for them to feel good, but her ego kind of gets in the way a bit at times. Plus, she doesn't always realise that what makes her feel good doesn't always make everyone else feel the same.
Bee goes off of the logic that being drunk/high/crossfaded feels amazing to her, and she wants everyone else to feel good when they're around her, so she thinks having them be drunk/high/crossfaded will make them feel just as good (hence the "...Are you good? Are you drunk?...").
And she really only picks up that sometimes it's not okay when someone is MAJORLY and obviously overdoing it and/or using that to cover up something else (like Blitzø later in the episode).
@@AnInsideJoke I think we all have a bit of us that puts on a show for others, especially us neurodivergent folk. And considering she’s sensitive to the energy people give off (possibly literally eating it or absorbing it in some way), the way I interpreted the scene was that she could tell that Loona was having a hard time getting into the party and letting loose, and was trying really hard to help Loona out of her shell. But she doesn’t know about Loona’s past or her trust issues, so she doesn’t realize she’s going about it in the wrong way. Plus, if she throws a lot of parties, she’s probably coaxed introverts out of their shells numerous times the way she’s trying to with Loona
I was barely bullied as a kid though and yet I still understood her not liking Bee initially.
This actually kind of explains why bee is dressed similar to loona because Loona is practically her shadow
Beez a king of hell in the ring, immortal, powerful and everyone loves her. All the things Loona wants to be
Their polar opposites
Loona is introverted
Bee is VERY extroverted
She pretty much has to. That's how she maintains her endless metabolism
@@Gooberwares I said shadow as in someone who’s a darker gloomier version of yourself
I honestly didn't feel like Bee was being as fake as she comes off. Exaggerated, maybe, but I feel like she really did care. She really does want to draw Loona out of her shell, but because of who and what she is, Bee's interactions come off as fake.
maybe we should delve deeper into bee
@@GeorgiaDow I concur - we only see this character for a few minutes in one episode (thus far), but she is just *full* of personality and thus is ripe for analysis!
@GeorgiaDow I think so too! She genuinely cared about Blitz too, and actually just let him win the drinking contest. She's the sin of gluttony, she wouldn't have genuinely lost- she saw that Blitz needed the win and gave it to him. She's incredibly empathetic too, feeling the energy of those around her. However, she is over-the-top sometimes, and I think that and her sort of mean girl/California accent makes her come across as fake.
@ccondelli she didn't purposefully let him win.
She sensed his vibe and got put off.
You can see her face as hes chugging it, she's looking at him in concern.
She didn't purposefully let him win, they were doing it, and she noticed what he was doing and got put off the drinking
@@Canadian_Zac In my opinion, that's sort of the same thing. I'm sure she could've just kept drinking and ignored him if she really wanted to.
Bee didn't come off as narcissistic to me, just heavily ADHD. Storytime dialogue is easier for ND people because it lets us provide examples of empathy. Plus, Bee does worry about if her guests are partying for self-destructive reasons. Despite Loona snapping passive-aggressively, understandably given that Valley-Girl dog, Bee kept her cool until Loona straight up insulted her.
Actually, given how fast she went rage-mode, I'm even more sure she's ND-coded. Emotional regulation is a toughie for people like that. She is over the top happy to be around so many people having a good time, and as long as she did not realize Loona did not like her, she was perfectly cordial and wanting to share the good vibes. It's just that her real self looks a lot like other people's fake niceties.
Immediately after Loona backed down and looked upset, Bee picked up on it and shrank herself. She even acknowledged that she over-reacted when Tex gave her a look.
Bee is the type of extrovert to adopt an introvert, Loona's just not ready for that yet.
I interpreted Bee's original extra friendliness as her way of trying to put Luna at ease, even if it was laid on a bit thick.
I just feel like that's how Bee talks. Didn't sense any ill intent or narcissism from her at all.
Yes the best girl gets the best analysis from the best therapist
whoohoooo !!!!
Careful with those extreme compliments...you're not far off the mark though ;)
@@GeorgiaDow Hope you do Via next
We hit the jackpot!!!!
@@tranquilclaws8470 Someone learned from the video! Nice.
"Trust is a very fragile thing it takes years to build seconds to break and an eternity to repair that betrayal can last a lifetime"-Lawkeeper Equity mlp ace attorney EOJ
Didn't know my little pony did an ace attorney collab
My god my mind just quantum leaped back a decade to Turnabout Storm.
@@ZeroTwo-- It's actually a fan creation, and a sequel to another MLP/Ace Attorney crossover called Turnabout Storm.
@Spartan3101200 Namely, I think it's supposed to be a spiritual sequel since I don't believe it's by the same person. But it's neat that they wanted to carry on the story.
Loona is constant, living proof that Blitz can and does improve the lives of the people he loves. He doesn't just destroy people and make them worse. He saved Loona from potential homelessness, gave her a home and family and job, and his constant love is slowly chipping away at her abandonment/trust issues. He's not perfect at it, but as unstable as his personal life is, he gives her all the stability he can provide. Because he know how much she needs it. Loona's life is objectively better thanks to her dad.
I hate to make this darker but "ageing out" at a pound doesn't mean tossed out into the world. It means put down.
I believe that’s a popular fan theory, but there’s no indication that this is the case in any of the canonical media for this universe.
@@wilberwhateley7569 no, just the real world.
@@dwarf365 Well, this is a fictional universe - the rules for that universe are established by canon material.
@@wilberwhateley7569 ok... 1:43 is not the face of somebody scared to be kicked out into the world, it's the face of absolute fear that this is the end and there is no escape.
@@dwarf365 That’s your interpretation of that scene, but I believe that an equally valid interpretation here is one of Loona realizing just how unwanted she really is: a momentary slip of the mask she constructed for herself when she believes no one is watching (or at least no one that matters is).
I don't agree with your view that Beelzebub is a narcissist by bringing up a story of herself. I got the feeling she was bringing up a story in order to connect with Loona and show that she's not alone in feeling a little off for the comment.
Also, Bee was probably more than just a little bit drunk and/or high, lol.
I think as bee as a adhd girl.
She lost the track of why she was saying that. And bringing/relating something to yourself dont makes doesn't mean it's narcissism.
Yes let's not agree with the therapist on a therapistic topic that's like going to a doctor and not listen to them telling you your dying
@@Lony15 Yeah. Same story isn't making it about yourself. She told a *really* embarrasing story. And she's a deadly sin. It felt like she was trying to help Luna feel less awk.
@@darksonicx9320 Therapists can make mistakes and even have biases they're human, I know sometimes I tell stories about myself as an attempt to connect or ease conversation. It can be a sign of narcissism but it can also be a genuine attempt to connect. Dow has already decided Bee is fake and that's colouring her reading which is a valid read but not absolute until we actually learn more about her, maybe I'm wrong and she is being fake but I don't think she is.
I dont know that I agree that Bee is fake >.> shes absolutely A LOT and very hyper but I think she legitimately wants to just be liked, its her own insecurity imo, she feels really bad after she blows up at Loona, she just doesnt have much of an attention span
I dunno maybe I relate to her too much, the lines she says about seeing Satan with his shirt off was her trying to relate to Loona in her embarrassment in a way imo
The best way I can describe Bee is that she comes off as the mean girl who fakes kindness, but really she's chill and wants to have a good time. It's her tone.
I was looking for a comment saying something like this. I really can't think of bee being fake. She's just an air headed extrovert who likes being helpful to others.
And like me doesn't have much of a door between your brain in your mouth.
Agreed, she’s just a demon who wants to have fun and get along with the demons at her parties. She seven tries to blend into their style just so she can fit in. I think she was trying to make Loona comfortable and welcomed but Loona was not having it and didn’t want to be there.
I see her as the party girl that wants to all things to all people because she genuinely wants to be connected with *everyone* (she’s a personification of excess and thus takes everything to the extreme - social relationships included) - while those feelings are genuine, she’s not particularly competent in conveying them in all circumstances: so she surrounds herself with party-goers 24/7 because that kind of atmosphere is very relaxed and allows her to freely associate with everyone there without barriers that would otherwise be there in everyday life.
I believe this is why she had such a strong reaction to Loona rebuffing her when she asked her to check up on her father - Loona does everything to keep those barriers up in spite of her best efforts to get her to relax and it frustrated her to the point where she snapped at her (apologizing immediately afterwards as this isn’t like her under most circumstances). This is probably also why she developed a sense for party-goers that indulge to escape from reality (as they tend to ruin the mood and interfere with her ability to freely mingle).
Yeah, Bee got done dirty in this video.
Though maybe this is coming from Loona's perspective. Loona probably DOES think Bee is a fake narcissist.
I didn't meet my father until I was 14
"I didn't need you then, asshole...I don't now" hit me hard
Did he not know about you? Or was he kept away against his will?
This made me realized that Blitz might have been accidentally isolating Loona. She clearly has a want for bonds and friends away from IMP. But if Blitz has been discouraging that behavior, she could be feeling very lonely.
And Blitz doing this makes sense, considering how often he's been hurt by close bonds in the past. He projected onto her.
Agreed, he gets very overprotective when she’s talking with somebody she has a crush on. Like she’s older than 18 I’m pretty sure she’s allowed to have a boyfriend/girlfriend. Blitzø also doesn’t seem to let her on missions or go that many places.
@@Comet346 She doesn't go on missions because she's the receptionist?
@@shadenox8164or someone that has the grimoire to let them back in
I don’t see Bee as a narcissist. I think she’s an empath, who literally feeds off other’s feelings. Bee noticed Loona was embarrassed, and shared a story where she felt embarrassed because empathized and wanted to make Loona feel normal. Bee reads people really well, and knows when someone is having fun or self medicating. And it isn’t just her assessment, you can see her looking at Vortex for confirmation. Even when Bee gets aggressive, she is matching Loona’s energy. And as soon as Loona backs down (because it put Vortex in an uncomfortable position), apologizes, and turns around, Bee looks genuinely sad. Bee also saw Blitzø go completely over the top, and yielded rather than push it, and let him take the win.
I’m not saying that Bee is totally selfless or harmless, but I don’t think she’s trying to hurt Loona or other guests.
But this bubbly, socialite, political energy is too much for Loona in that moment because she doesn’t even know how to take regular compliments.
THANK YOU.
As much as we adore Loona, she still has insecurities that often get overlooked where you wish you could step in and tell her it’s gonna be alright. She deserves a hug after whatever it was she went through before meeting Blitzo.
I don't know if I'm over-reading here, but Loonas fear of needles would have a very dark context if the "pound" she was adopted from operated more like a kill shelter 😶
If it was run by PETA it would absolutely make sense.
The line "You're supposed to keep the things that bring you joy" makes me wonder if Luna was abandoned as a pup, and Mean Girl Poodle knows it.
16:48
This line has sparked curiosity in the fandom. That seemed PERSONAL, like Poodle's owner had Loona too, or they were close before. She's not only kicking Loona down, she's digging at the wound. That's just a theory, but amazing what one line can deliver.
5:29 the way he looked back at Luna after her outburst. With all of Blitz’s issues, I wonder if, in that moment, he thought she might abandon him right then and there.
Your take on Luna’s outfit is so cute
Blitz: Great dad, still working on the boyfriend thing.
20:52 I really don't think Queen Bee is a narcissist... a narcissist wouldn't have cared that Blitzø is self-destructing at her party. That's an oddly strong word to use here.
I still feel like we've barely scratched the surface of Loona's story. The flashback that showed where she was when Blitzø first met her was the first (and, thus far, _only)_ glimpse we've seen of the pain she keeps masked behind the layers of her detached facade -- she's still not really opening up, though she definitely let her guard down a bit more around Octavia. (I really hope those two spend more time together in the future -- they're a good influence on each other.)
Thank you for a good presentation, although I disagree on one small point: I suspect that Beelzebub is completely sincere in her concern for the happiness of people around her. To an introvert like Loona, an extreme extravert like Bee could seem fake, but Bee's genuine concern becomes clear later in the episode, when she recognizes the self-destructive roots behind the "party animal" antics of Blitz. Like Vortex, Bee is a kind-hearted person, but in ways too extravagant for Loona to trust at first glance.
hoesntly she coudl ahve jsut thrown him out if she wanted to. be it jsut cause its her part and he's causing trouble, cause she is literally royalty, or the fact she could phsyically force him to leave cause she is so powerful, she chose to talk with loona and have him mor peacefully escorted. a better otucome for blitzo and loona.
she is more like ozzie. vs being like mammon.
I'll still never get over the Mario jump sound, when Millie catches the keys to the van. X)
I think you're being a little unfair to Beelzebub, she's definitely not a fake person just someone who is in 11 on every scale, she's Gluttony incarnate so she's over abundant in every category from her design to her personality.
Beelzebub was being sincere and friendly like giving an example of her own embarrassment with Satan showing despite her being royalty they're both the same but Loona wasn't gonna risk being made fun of so assumed the worst.
Agreed - she is a personification of excess, so literally everything about her is over-the-top! I can see why some people might interpret this as “fake” and in most cases I would agree with that assessment, but here, with this particular character archetype, it is most certainly genuine.
"Am I, though?.." That's MY line, Loona! XD
I was adopted at 17, too... Slightly different situation to Loona, was more of a "lesser of the evils" situation, but I still relate to her for that.
I'm so glad you covered Loona. Easily my favorite character. I love how she brings out the best in Blitzø and how much they care about each other. My favorite scene is when she uses her experience with her dad to help Octavia. Such big/little sister vibes. I hope we get more of it.
Yeah, that's the moment that solidified her character for me, honestly.
I can't wait to see how she further develops as a character.
18:26 In the Pilot for Hazbin Hotel, Charlie sings about how inside every demon is a rainbow.
Well, Bee has a rainbow inside her XD (was a nice little easter egg)
I always thought Loona was familiar but I realized SHE IS MY IRL DOG - Angy, Trust issues, doesnt like hugs, AND rips your neck off of you piss her off
Good girl
Ozzy, my boy, was very similar to Loona towards strangers. He had an impenetrable shell and came off as the most hostile creature in existence. However, that wasn’t the real him. Ozzy, when in the presence of people he loved and trusted, was a super soaker of love and affection. Loona seems the same way with people who she loves or trusts.
Ozzy and I were both extremely abused, and I saw myself in him. Later on I became his protector. Unlike Loona, however, he enjoyed the protection I gave him.
Loona’s a very realistic character of someone who’s been abused and abandoned. No wonder I loved her so much when I first saw her.
The only thing I’m opposing is that I don’t think Bee is a narcissist. I think she’s sincere but just has that overly sweet tone
15:59
One time in school, I fainted during one of my classes and found out a week later that someone from the class has recorded it, I had to swap periods after that happened.
That's messed up. Some people are jerkssses. That has to be illegal
Loona may seem like a vicious wolf but deep down she’s a sweet puppy🐺🐶
Yeah. She’s a sweet puppy dressed as a Goth Hellhound queen
Yeah, sometimes, you need to get to know someone who acts tough, but is actually rather vulnerable beneath the facade.
I see her as a hellhound that *wants* to be a puppy but doesn’t really know how - she is so wrapped up with her insecurities and hatred of the world that she doesn’t really know when it’s appropriate to let her guard down and just have fun in the moment.
18:40 I would push back on this very firmly. Nothing about Bee in the episode signals her as fake. Bee is the lord of gluttony and she encourages others to indulge and have fun. She's actually very sincere as despite benefiting from everyone indulging she asks Loona to check in on Blitz because she can tell he's being really unhealthy.
Rather than fake I'd argue this is another example of how she's very opposite to Loona. Loona is bristly and guarded and Bee is very warm and open.
Edit: I'm really kind of wondering what made Georgia just go in so harshly on Bee cause she was just super negative and judgemental of her
23:13 Blitz was in Imp City in the 1st ring, Loona was at Bee's Club in the 3rd ring. If you recall, there's a bit of a border/elevator checkpoint to go between rings.
Blitz, who normally can't figure out how to properly use Stolas' Grimoire, used it to portal himself and the van strait to Loona.
Like he was running on INSTINCT.
I think it's just cartoonish exageration
Fun theory.
But remember it's a show and animated.
A lot of things can easilly just be a joke, or exaggeration for comedic effect
It's definitely showing that he drops everything to get there immediately.
But it's exaggerated for the joke
They have taken the van down to the wrath ring western energy. There are roads but they are probably less efficient than the transportation system
This makes me wonder what is more damaging in the long run. Being actively bullied, or being completely neglected. As a person who falls under the latter, I was upset with Luna for approaching the means girls at the party, expecting it to go well when those girls clearly were not her vibe. I’ve had people purposely ignore me and act as if I was invisible, So I learned not to force myself to engage with people who seem mean and cruel. Of course, this does not exclude the way those girls treated her, but Luna seemed more concerned with fitting in with anyone she could find, rather than having a good time at the party in general. She clearly wants to make connections, but they seem almost superficial. Not like Bee, but fake in a different way. She wants to go back to the party, mainly because a guy shows interest in her by calling her a “hottie”. (Yes, Blitzo gives her extra confidence, but she wanted to leave even when the first imp says hi to Blitzo.) The fact that Tex shows much more of a genuine respect and interest in her, she writes him off just because he is not available as a boyfriend. I get that Bee threatens her in a lot of ways, but she introduced herself, and told her to have fun. She snaps at everything Bee says, even though she’s just doing her job as the party host. People refusing to interact with me actually makes me gravitate towards people like Bee, because at least they acknowledge that I’m present. Even if I don’t know how genuine they’re being, the fact that they talked to me like an actual person, is more than what others have done. Maybe I set the bar too low, but the way Luna approaches relationships seems like she is self sabotaging herself. Love her as a character, but her attitude rubs me the wrong way sometimes.
The most ironic thing is that although she annoys Moxxie in every way possible, they are actually quite similar to each other, to the point that their behavior in the Queen Bee party episode literally resembled Moxxie with his social anxiety disorder. Hopefully we see some development as true companions instead of putting each other down since Moxxie only berates her for her laziness at work 😅
When I first saw Loona especially in the pilot episode and in the first Episode of Season 1, I tend to associate her as a cynical, apathetic, teenager not giving two F’s on everything and going with the flow, but by episode 3, "Springbreakers" along with Episode 8 "Queen Bee" and especially in Season 2, "Seeing Stars" we saw a different side of Loona as a character and deep down she does care for her adoptive dad, Blitzø and her other co-workers Moxxie and Millie and props to Erica Lindbeck providing voice of Loona, and she’s easily within my top five favorite _Helluva Boss_ characters.
Still, seeing her backstory in "Seeing Stars" before she got adopted by Blitzø was emotional.😭😔
Seriously! I think I've teared up to some extent every time I've watched that part of Seeing Stars.
The thought of Loona feeling abandoned/ discarded again is something that really gets to Blitzø*, and honestly, his little freakout is so sweet!
(*That's how I took it anyway. Or at least, I think that's part of it.)
Such a good episode
I hope we get more context to what happened to her and why she ended up in the pound and what caused her to have trust issues and having social anxiety
Regarding the topic of self-esteem being tied to negative traits, I've actually seen an increased focus in recent years on _self-compassion_ rather than self-esteem -- it's less about thinking very highly of yourself, which can lead to a toxic self-image, and more about being able to _forgive_ yourself for the times you've been at your worst.
Also, I feel like this analysis might've misread Bee. Yes, she's very bubbly and outgoing in ways that seem disingenuous, but this is actually a pretty good representation of a highly social extrovert: social interaction is a stimulant for certain types of people, so when she said that she's "just really high on all this tasty energy right now!", I think it could be taken _literally_ -- it's as much of a buzz for her just being around people as whatever she brewed up in those kegs. So when she said that Loona's unfiltered honesty made her her new favorite person... honestly, I think she was being _sincere._ It might even be helpful for Loona to spend more time around Bee and the new social group she was with at the party, just to help coax her out of her shell and provide the social confidence she's still kinda lacking.
Are you saying that Loona thinks Bee is fake? Or do you think Bee is being fake? I really think Bee's kindness is utterly genuine.
28:57 that was the specific scene I think I fell for this show. That instant and easy kinship between these two step siblings, and those particularly amazing animated frames of Loona were so clearly the thought process she was just realizing about blitz.
Dislike the writers giving her that kick at the end of that episode. Felt so jarring after the conversation she just finished.
Thanks for another wonderful video!
I don't know if I'd call Bee a narcissist, rather a representation of gluttony and by extension addiction.
You can see she's thoughtful and a caregiver in her own way and maybe that makes Loona a bit envious of her, but Bee also requires constant endless indulgence. Not just in food and drink, but also in company. She's never not talking to someone because she can't handle not having that stimulation.
I’m so happy to see you analyzing my favorite character Loona, good doctor. As an adopted child from the foster care system, I can relate to Loona to a huge degree. Part of the reason why I love her so much.
Her origin story hit me so hard the first time (still do...), we are in the middle of Earth shenanigans on a shitty live comedy show and BAM flashback! Get emotionally attacked beeetch!
full moon, broke alot of people's hearts.
so now im here.
4:30 drained is an understatement.
Sometimes just going to the grocery store has me incapable of interacting with others in person for like a week.
It's in one of those blink and you'll miss it moments, but when Loona drags Blitz back home, all of the pictures on the wall have his face scribbled out. Blitz is so unused to loving himself that he can't bear to look at his own face.
I had a cat that had that kind of issue.
She was abandoned and we took her in from someone who, well, took her in but couldn't keep her.
At some point she calmed down and started to warm up to us. She was still grouchy but she had calmed down and settled in.
Then came a time we were moving to a new house. She started making noises and even started over eating because she thought she was going to get left behind again.
She calmed down a LOT once we had her in the truck and she realized she was coming too. She got to live the rest of her time as a pampered house cat.
I really hope that Loona sees through Blitzo's frustration and sadness. They are so alike in so many ways (and I don't mean the trauma) but Blitzo whether he is aware of it or not is giving her something he didn't have, which is a foundation of support. She hasn't ruined her life yet like he thinks he has... and maybe he can help her when he went so long without meaningful help. And I just adore them so much... She quite literally brings out a part of him that makes him better for it... even if some aspects of that love and affection aren't always reciprocated or understood.
Luna seems like that kind of person who will grow into being the fiercest protector for kids who feel unloved/unwanted. Though Octavia's circumstances couldn't be more different from her own, she saw a similar pain and that instantly brought her usually-walled-off protective side to the surface.
I really hope we see more with the two of them, Octavia could benefit from a worldly big sis sort of friend and being there for a teenager in a kind of messed up lonely situation would probably heal a little bit more of her inner wounds.
I don't think Bee is being fake at all. Maybe she does come off this way to Loona because of her trauma, but I think Bee IS being earnest about everything she does. She is this outgoing, non-neurotypical kind of person that can be hard to understand at first.
yea she had abad read on bee there. especially the part where bee talks abuot embarrassing herself inf ront of satan. that wasn't making the conversation about herself, she was telling her ofa similar situation she got herself into years ago. and arguably even more embarrassing one cause of how she views satan normally...... course brain drifting way there with wondering if she still could.
I think Bee in this was trying to give a relatable story. Yes its a bit of a Humblebrag, she was that close to Satan at one point. But still, a "relatable" story to put Loona at ease. Which would work most of the time.
Great video as always.
Actually met the voice actress Erica at momocon 2 weeks ago
Got a selfie and got a autograph for my long distance bestie
Fun fact she is a cat person 😂😂😂😂😂 she was in awww when I had her sign my bestie hazbin hotel autocard I included a picture of her cat and her and vizziepop liked it
So felt good was nervous but I was like “I need you to sign this for my bestie “ 😂😂
Everything I have heard about Erica L is that she is an absolute sweetheart in person
Reminds me of the "Free Mom Hugs" at pride. Because so many kids and even adults dont have those parents who will love their kids for who they are. We all just want to be accepted and loved by those we care about.
In defense of Bee, I'm pretty sure she's a psychovore, and is literally feeding of the party's energy. "Keep making me that m*f*ing honey" probably isn’t a metaphor, since she's Gluttony and the creator of Beel's Bub (which seems to be a type of mead, playing into the honeybee aspect). When she first approaches Luna, I think she's hopped up on party energy. If she really didn't care, she would've let Blitz spiral.
As someone with autism who has trouble relating to people and keeping my temper in check, I relate to Loona so much. In fact, I always kind of gravitate towards the kinds of characters who act all gruff and aloof to hide how much they really care for people.
Hey. Same!
I find this very interesting to read/hear. I'm autistic too and I identify a lot with Moxxie. I usually have more shutdowns and tend to be more clingy. The way he oftenly doesn't have a lot of social awareness seems very autistic to me (I believe on the theory that he could be autistic). But I also resembled a lot with Loona during Bee's party, specially relating to social anxiety and facing bullies. It's so nice how we autistic are so different on the ways we express our autism and still are so similar on the broad characteristics. x3
Loona may not like to admit it, but she thrives as a caretaker.
I really like that we got to see Loona and Octavia interact because it really brings into focus the way that both Blitz and Stolas are trying (with varying success) to be the loving, supportive father each of them wanted as a kid. And with some hiccups, they both seem to be overall succeeding.
Loona’s social anxiety is really relatable to me. Also, she definitely wasn’t one of my favorite character at first, but she’s grown on me. 💕 Just like she has endeared herself to so many characters on the show.
I think Bee might be one of those people who genuinely likes and wants to get along with everyone (sometimes to the point of it being… not okay). we don’t know a ton about her character to say for sure tho.
I’m scared to say that we might not know more for a long while since her VA is super duper… huge??? But production HAS gone up since Hazbin so…! Maybe they can bring Kesha back!
2:16 Oh my gosh- That wreck me. 😭 I never had that parental affection. Foster care.
i’m kinda sad you skipped over her “argument” with bee but this was so wonderful!! i’ve been wanting a deep dive into loona, this delivered sm aaa
12:59 “the one thing that’s important to wear is a smile” alastor?
Would you consider finding and breaking down Infinity Train? It’s on its way to becoming lost media and its central premise is a train that thinks it’s a therapist.
Another point about Loona's pain is that she isnt just an adopted child, she's also the lowest class of demon in hell. To the point that some people dont even treat her like a person. (Milly often refers to her as a hell hound and not as Loona as an example). They're treated like animals that are disposable even more-so than imps.
With Bee, i feel like a lot of people either immediately get what she's about, or completely miss it. As the embodiment of Gluttony, she does everything in excess. Meaning that she's being 100% herself in every scene. It can be very easy for someone with social anxiety, or especially someone who's had negative experiences with someone of Bee's personality type before, to immediately assume that she's being fake and a jerk. But Bee, as an extrovert, feeds off of other people's energy - and as the sin of Gluttony, she LITERALLY feeds on it: "I'm just high on all this tasty energy right now." Other people having fun and a good time feeds her bottomless appetite. She feeds them, and in turn, their energy feeds her. When she first interacts with Loona, she doesn't immediately pick up on how Loona's feeling because Loona is trying to hide hers, so it's being drowned out by everyone else's energy. So Bee does what she usually does to people at her parties: make them feel welcome and encourage them to have a good time. She tells the story about her seeing Satan without a shirt off to try to relate to Loona, showing that even the Queen of Gluttony has awkward moments and can feel embarrassment. She calls Loona her "new favorite person" to try to pump her up. But from Loona's perspective, it feels like "nobody is actually *this* happy or well-liked without some ulterior motive." Bee doesn't actually have any motivation to make Loona feel bad, or anyone else for that matter, because she can't feed off of that. Or, she could, but it wouldn't be nearly as sweet. Loona doesn't know that though, because she's too in her own head to realize.
Can you do one for Bee? Many have pointed out that shes very caring despite her party girl attitude.
Funny how she can confidently lure in strangers to a secluded place but not have the same confidence when socializing
I don't think it's fair to say that Bee is being fake, she's just very extroverted and upbeat. To someone with the mentality that Loona has it feels fake, but that doesn't mean she actually is.
Absolutely this, she’s the life of the party and literally feeds off the high energy.
ok so really small detail but when you said "there's actually places people can rent a grandmother" that snuck in a heartstab to the feels.
6:25 "Sometimes we become overprotective of our children, and so we're trying to keep them safe but really we should let them grow." Powerful words as always.
Even harden hearts of stone can be soften by love alone
The mean girl saying 'youre supposed to keep things that bring you joy' was *definitely* a pointed insult.
Loona was in the adoption center, yet that hellhound had a photo of her from before
Implying that Loona had a different family before Blitz, possibly one in some level of wealth/influence
But she was rejected from the family and returned to the adoption center.
So 'youre supposed to keep things that bring you joy'
Was another level of hit, because, that previous family didnt keep Loona
You simply need to watch Good Omens! It's also a show about angels and demons. It was created by Neil Gaiman after his and Terry Pratchett's book. There are just SO many emotions, tramas, and communication issues that I would love for you to talk about!!!
Like some others, I'll have to give some pushback about Bee-elzebub. She may be fairly shallow, but she wants connection with people at her parties. For some context on her relationship with Tex, in Hell, the Imps and Hellhounds are the LOWEST of the low, as far as class goes. Bee is not only a Royal, but the Lord of Gluttony, ruling her own ring in Hell. From the get go, that tells us that she's probably pretty chill, as Tex also seems pretty chill, and not the type to put up with stuff.
I'd say she's got earmarks of ADHD, as someone with ADHD. She wants everyone to be happy at her parties, and while that can seem superficial, she shows genuine concern when she asks Loona to check on Blitz, while saying that normally she'd be all for his activities at her party, if they weren't compensation for something negative she felt from him. I would say she stepped in it, a bit, with Loona, because she was trying to connect with someone who didn't want to. Because Loona was so closed off, Bee likely couldn't get a read on her, while Blitz was an open book because of his throwing himself into self-destructive behaviors.
I think there's a bias about a popular party girl, who's voiced by Kesha, cuz I have a feeling that that's how Kesha actually talks, to some degree (and after listening to some interviews, yeah, just a hyped up, excitable version). I think the laissez faire way she speaks comes off as more superficial than she actually is, as she takes everything to eleven, as someone else said. Food, drinks, drugs, fun, music, partying, and since Loona tends to be closed off and keeps it more around a negative number, Bee's behavior will be jarring... not to mention that Bee is the "hot" girlfriend of Loona's crush, so I'd say part of Loona's upset might be from the fact that the competition is too steep. You can see from her immediate reaction, it was almost like, "THIS is the girlfriend? F*CK! I was hoping I was cuter than her, at least."
18:40 I'm going to disagree with you here - Beelzebub is also very direct and honest. She's more cheerful and such, but that's not fake. She doesn't need to be the center of attention either - this scene is literally her dropping out of the center of attention to chat with just her boyfriend and the friend he brought. She makes sure that everyone is enjoying themselves, sure, but I'm not sure how "making sure people are enjoying her party" indicates any of the personality traits you are ascribing to her here. She's also _literally_ an empath - she's not making people fakely seem happy, she's making sure they actually _are_ enjoying themselves.
20:15 That's the kind of compliment Beelzebub _just gave,_ though? She specifically compliments Loona's direct honesty.
20:55 The anecdote she just shared is literally about an awkward situation she got herself into with a lack of tact. "Here's a related anecdote about the time I too made a faux pas that I felt awkward about" is not exactly "listen to how wonderful I am"
It also feels a little weird that you cut out Beelzebub talking to Loona about how her dad really isn't _actually_ enjoying himself despite outward appearances, and getting her to take him home.
Glad someone pointed out how fake Bee comes across as.
On the one hand she does seem genuine, but I also wouldn't be super comfortable around someone like Bee.
cause ya like loona.
If we get an episode or two more of Vortex, we need an analysis on him too. From what we got so far, he is such a good buddy and solid friend
I think a vid of the sins we've seen would be awesome to contrast them; Ozzie and Bee are so different from Mammon, and if Lucifer is thrown in for Pride it could make a really dynamic vid.
I’m LOVING the outfit interpretation!!
Loona is such the best girl and her and her talk with Octavia is so sweet, like that of an older sister and i wish we get to see more of that relationship in the future!
The cosplays (?) always look amazing! :0
I like how she always dresses up as the characters she’s talking about :)
I feel a great deal of kinship with Loona now that I know more about her.
Speaking as an Autistic introvert there is quite a lot going on with her that I can relate to.
The scene with beelzebub was also hard for Loona because Loona had feelings toward Tex.
Yeah, no shade towards Dow, but I feel like this was kind of a surface-level analysis of Loona. There were a lot of complex emotions hinted at and we didn't really touch on many of them.
I think you're a little off about Bee. She is genuin. In that moment, spending time with Luna and getting to know her, a new person who reacts in a way she rarely sees, Luna genuinly is her favorite person. Bee is a super extrovert. Her favorite person is whoever she is with, having a good time with.
But for someone with trust issues like Luna, Bee is too good to be true. Too kind, too open, too honest, too genuin to be true.
They are perfect fouls to eachother, really.
I know Bee isn't the topic of this epesode, but she is genuinly worried about Blizo. He isn't endulging, he's distracting himself. He is wallowing. And that isn't what Bee is about. She wants people to have fun and enjoy themself. Get tipsy for fun, not to drown yourself. She is the Queen Bee of the Party. And not a pity party.
not to mention that kinda behavior leads to self destruction and that cna lead to really bad situations.
Woaaahhhh (i love this and i love your outfit!)
I'm obsessed with your outfits
When I saw the episode I really thought that Bee wasn't so much fake so much as over-tuned into people's desires, or a straight-up empath. She uses synesthetic words like emotions being tasty (or not) and when Blitz beat her at her own game, she showed respect but also exploded when Loona got upset at being asked to check on him.
NOW, in retrospect, maybe Bee only cared because Blitz was killing the vibe and blew her top at being questioned, but I'd like to believe the best.
Also, unrelated, it's probably a bad sign when you win a drinking contest with the literal Deadly Sin of Gluttony. An excellent point on the resume, but his liver is probably a war zone!
I love how deeply you feel the characters you analyze and the emotional dynamics breaking down for us.
Offering my first born in exchange for a Scavenger's Reign character analysis video
YESSS
Actually yes, let’s do this!
Wow, I always knew I like the goth girl look but seeing you try on all the different outfits and styles you do for these videos made me realize how much that look makes a difference
It may be derived from anxiety but I certainly know I polarize between introvert and extrovert when blood family is in the vicinity. Being around family is very draining.
One thing that I like that their dynamic is they call each other "safe," names instead of being a nuisance. The way Loona said "Da- Blitz." instead of Blitzo.