I can't believe I didn't mention a single time during this 40 minute review, that the thumbsticks are offset like the Xbox layout and not symmetrical like typical PS sticks.
I'm missing my old Astros PS4 controller for that feature. I was willing to overlook every criticism right up until I couldn't turn on the PS5 from my controller. I don't get out of my recliner for anything. Guess I'll look into the Victrix BFG or just suck it up and get the Sony pro.
Honestly that's one of my favorite things about this controller. If this controller had haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. Would definitely be worth the high price but unfortunately it doesn't.
Have you ever done a tier list for all the different game pads/controllers? I think the community would be grateful to hear your thoughts on all the latest remotes compared side by side.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial honestly Kevin, great video mate. I was stuck between the edge, razer wolverine and possibly the Victrix Pro bfg for competitive PS5 play. Thank god I didn’t buy the razer one. Patiently waiting for the Victrix review, I’m almost set on it but I need the Controller Captain seal of approval! One more thing if you don’t mind mate, I recently commented on your overclocking tutorial but I can imagine it got lost in translation. If you overclock the polling rate of a controller on a PC would the improved input lag also travel over to the console when you plug the controller back in? I reckon the answer is no but I thought it would be worth an ask. Love the videos bro, keep it up
Thank you for this review. I was going to buy this but waited for your review instead. You saved me a good chunk of money. Will be waiting for your review on the dualsense edge.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial hello so to bother you. Do you know any Extended Controller grips that fits the Razer v2 chroma? I can't buy razer controllers because kontrol freeks doesn't fit. I can't play without KF
Let’s keep it real. Nobody buying a pro controller to get adaptive triggers or speakers in the controller. You’re buying a pro controller to play shooters like cod warzone Fortnite apex etc. So I don’t care about not having that in a 300 250 or a 200 controller. My only concerns are the rear paddles and clicky triggers. Everything else is whatever. I also don’t care about a carrying case. I don’t even know where my case is for my scuf controller. If I could try this controller out before buying and I liked it I would buy it. But since I got a scuf I probably wouldn’t. Still looks like a solid controller imo
Thank you for providing such detailed reviews, especially since these controllers are so pricey. Every suspicion I had of this has been confirmed, especially with regards to comfort and the back button placement.
I love the three triggers, don’t care for haptic feedback, more thumb sticks would be beneficial and the rear buttons could have been placed better. Looks like a 8.5/10 for me
I bought mine with the Razer warranty. Over 300 dollars but I would pay a premium for controller comfort. I love offset sticks, it just comfortable to me. Didn’t play my ps5 for months because my left thumb would just hurt because of that stretch. I love the feel of the controller, I’m going to be straight with everyone I bought the controller JUST for the stick placement alone. The extra buttons I’m goinna have to figure out what can I do with them. I take my gaming serious and I want to be comfortable. I shouldn’t have to endure pain playing video games so that’s why this was and instant buy for me. I get to enjoy my ps5 to the fullest now.
I agree, when I don't have to stretch my thumb out too far, it doesn't trigger my arthritis in my hands, the 5 controller is nice but my fingers start tingling and going numb after a match of cod
Do you know if kontrol freeks fit this controller? I love razer plus their extra bumpers and placement of back buttons but I can't play without KF infernos particularly. So I haven't bought the v2 chroma months ago I wanted. Idk if kontrol freeks fits on this. It's a shame if it doesn't
@@alanuriel786 no the sticks are wider but if you are crafty with glue and scissors you can make it happen. So with the dualaense my thumbs would slip from time to time. I bought grip-it covers. They can go around the thumbsticks fine but easily come off. So I took gorilla glue and stuck them on and it's been fantastic.
I really prefer the detailed reviews instead of these 10 min review videos that basically just tell you what the description says at the back of the box. I also love how you went with the pros and the cons too
Now we need the exact same controller, but with that gorgeous clicky 8-way rolling d-pad (seems to be an evolution of Sega Saturn D-Pad) on the top left corner ! Sony style ! And another symmetrical exactly the same (with 8-way-rolling clicky D-Pad on top left) for the switch !
I commented on one of your other posts that I had mine currently being shipped. I received mine a couple hours ago. I’d give my thoughts but reading the comments from all these lovey sounding people I’ll keep my mouth shut lmao. Don’t want these outstanding citizens coming after me. I’ll just say great in-depth review. Disagree with some of your cons. Agree with the pros. See you in the next video!
I am returning mine so fast. I slowly went from sad to anger watching this. I never had a thought of crash grab pop up so much in my life… I just wait for the ps5 controller.
Thanks for your excellent review. Love your humour & character as always. Totally agree with your comments around the immersion. Its like having a great handling car and putting shit tyres on it. And with that, I was totally onboard up until the bombshell about the absence of all the unique dual sense features. Why pay so much to have immersion removed! I'll stay with my Reflex Pros...
Biggest problem for this controller is the thumb sticks. As he said in the video, compared to the dual sense, the range of motion on the sticks, even with the included extended thumb stick, is way less. Couple this with the fact that you cant use kontrol freeks on it, and you're stuck with only one option which is to relearn your aim if coming from a dual sense. I also tried filing down some of my kontrol freeks to make them fit on the sticks, and while they did fit after modifications, the range of motion of the sticks are still not great because of how they are built. You either have to make your thumb stick super tall by adding a tall control freak onto the included taller stick which feels horrible and like you're driving an 18 wheeler, or you have to suffer from lack of range of motion because the stick doesn't protrude far enough from the anti friction rings. Its sad cut the rest of the controller is amazing, especially the extra shoulder buttons.
Mines came the day you put up this review. I love this controller. The placement of the back buttons are cool with me because if I don't want to use the buttons I"m not forced to place my fingers on them and accidentally click them like with other pro controllers I have.
i suggest setting the bottom back paddles to buttons you use frequently and the top back paddles to buttons you use sparingly. this way your fingers are not always rested on the top back paddles because if they are then it starts to hurt. but if they are rested on the bottom ones then it feels great.
That’s actually how they’re meant to be used. If u remember when razer released the Xbox wolverine ultimate with the same exact configuration, they meant to have the 2 “paddles” at the top be the buttons next to the triggers, and the 2 bottom “paddles” be the bottom paddle buttons of the controller. The two paddle buttons on top of it were meant to be used sparingly, with the auto config. Back then being to increase or decrease sensitivity while they were pressed down for more precise aim. They were by no means meant to be used to jump or build or anything that would require constant clicking. That’s just my two cents.
Great video. It’s hilarious that all the three things you love about the ps5 controller I hate lol. Nothing more annoying than that speaker,haptic feedback is also annoying adaptive triggers. Definitely getting this now
Great post because those are the 3 things idgaf about. I always forget that you can go into the settings and permanently turn that speaker off. I don’t like my triggers rumbling.
@@michaelbutler8688 to start a match and hear people eating Doritos or screaming is annoying,but like you said I forget to turn it off. Rumbling in my controllers throws off my aim. All that haptic feedback etc for me is pointless and will never be used and kills the battery. I’ve been watching this guy for years. He truly knows controllers.
i bought this controller 3 days ago and I legit used it for a day, ran into the deadzone issue, FIXED the deadzone issue, and then realized that the controller legit just was not worth the price point after using it for another day and returned it. it felt like it should have had more to offer for $250. the dualsense edge is infinitely better in my opinion and thats what ive gotten.
1:22 that’s exactly how I hold my controller and why I went with PlayStation over the original Xbox years ago. The back of the controller made it impossible for me to hold it.
Love your content. Just a suggestion: don't give the ratings on the timestamps, i feel like it'll help with the watch time. Just my opinion. You probably know more about this stuff than me.
I was so happy to see an in depth review of the software. Thank you for saving me from buying this. I am an ARPG gamer and my holy grail for a controller would be an autocast functionality. So one can use a controller for PC games meant for mouse and keyboard and simplify mechanics. I have a lot of Razer products and all of them on my PC - gamepad, mouse and keyboard have programmable macros. So disappointed to see none of that here. WTF Razer? I guess Sony would not allow that with their name on it. Or worse…
Thanks so much for this video and review! I subscribed immediately cause these are really thorough reviews. I think you sold me off this and now I might grab the Victrix pro bfg. It's apparently a nice fight pad as well, comfortable, has a 60hr battery life and let's you swap the left analog and dpad from Sony to Xbox mode, which is helpful for playing fighting games and most non fighters respectively I can't wait for your review
Dude I just gotta say you are so freaking funny.I am notoriously hard to make laugh out loud But somehow you managed to do it on every single video lately. Cheers
I could justify the price tag if they would relocate those rear buttons and add their mechanical switches to them, add a carrying case, and bring back the media module from the original ultimate. Charging $250 for a wireless v2 chroma is crazy.
Bought it day one and was amazed when I got it home and saw it didn't come with case, the gambit is half the price and has a case, still a heck of a controller.
I’m a big user of the back paddles but these are sadly not working for me , but this isn’t a loss, this controller will just be game specific. With the victrix controller coming soon there’s nothing to be sad about it the controller world.
@@strwberryvexmilk return it if it is not working. but if you mean they are uncomfortable i suggest setting the bottom back paddles to buttons you use frequently and the top ones to buttons you use sparingly. this way your fingers are not always rested on the top back paddles because if they are then it starts to hurt.
@@SirAsylus89 I’m not happy with the delay either my brother but that being said , the Astro c40 was my GOAT and not being able to use it on ps5 was rough, the victrix looks very similar to the c40 . I’ll keep waiting a bit longer, the gambits also the best controller I’ve used for Xbox so I’ve got some trust with the company, but Time will tell.
The only thing I like about this controller, is the floating 8-way d-pad. But if it were symmetrical, I'm all for it. Awesome vid as always AK-40Kevin👍😎
Haptics isn't for "pro" play, they add weight and throw the shot off. Putting in haptics would be like adding a radio and subwoofer system in a Formula 1 car.
Oh man, so spot on. I pre-ordered this controller and was so excited that it shipped early. Only to find those back buttons were just unusable for me. I sent it back after one day! Had to pay shipping though. So let this review be a warning to anyone who is thinking about this!
I've got cold feet about this controller. $250 to receive less features than stock, 2 ms delay(wired), 4 ms (wireless) and microswitches that are easy mods to the DualSense for $20 by eXtremeRate....I don't think those paddles seem worth it either. Very disappointing package from Razer.
Been using this controller for a couple days now and really don’t like the analog sticks at all. Much prefer the short ones. Also I have to stretch my fingers for the back pads that is not convenient at all. Going to return mine
I've got the Xbox one and I think it's _the most_ comfortable controller I've ever used, and the extra bumper buttons are my other favorite feature. *But,* the four back buttons are in the the worst spot compared to every other controller. They're too close to the center and you have to hold it in an uncomfortable way, unless you've got fingers an inch longer than normal people.
I completely agree with you. When/if this goes on sale, I’ll be buying it just to be able to go back to using the extra bumper buttons with the Xbox stick layout on ps5. Once I started using the wolverine on Xbox, I couldn’t play with anything else. I’ve been thru 3, with one in the closet waiting that I got dirt cheap. I’ve never clicked a back button more than 5 times on any one of them combined haha
Thanks man, this just confirmed that people is paying more for the brand than the product, just because razer got famous for great products they think we gonna paid for this stupid controller, I’ll go for the edge even if is only 4 hr battery
I have the Xbox Elite Series 2 and I just dont like the mushy face buttons so this at least has that benefit. Im super bummed theres no haptic though. I could live without the adaptive triggers but the haptic makes a big difference on PS5. I can at least use this as my main girl for PC gaming and gonna have to get the PS5 Pro controller later on.
I like the ps controllers in the fact that it has much more features than an Xbox controller, but the thing I've never really liked about them is the stick placement, and is one of the reasons why I like to use an Xbox controller instead since they are offset. It's one of the reasons why I wanted this remote, but seeing your review makes me see that, yea maybe it's not so good, tho the victrix controller is one that I might lean towards
So I know I'm a bit late , but just wanted to say thank you for such a detailed review. I'm buying the controller because it fits me, which you did an excellent job of describing in detail why some might like it or not. I appreciate those types of informative reviews. New subscriber for sure
My dream controller: hall effect analog high tension if possible, six rear buttons kinda like razor maybe different locations because they kinda feel awkward my hands. Personally I like the new scuff rear buttons. All mecha tactile buttons face and rear paddles, triggers/ shoulder buttons. Bluetooth and wireless. Elite series 2 built in battery. Usb c, Magnetic faceplate. And right to repair like valve did with the steam deck. I'd gladly give arm and leg for this maybe a kidney or left testicle.
I got this controller a coupke days ago. I'm pretty happy with it for the most part. Only 2 negatives really for me and that's the price and the paddles or back buttons. It's way too expensive for what you get. Should at least come with a case. The build quality feels pretty good to me though. It feels premium in my opinion. It is kinda light but I think that's just because it has no vibration motors. It's very comfortable in my hands but the back buttons are awkward to hit. They are not unusable but will definitely take some getting used to. It is much more comfortable than a dualsense. All the buttons and sticks feel really good. It's a nice controller and I'm pretty happy with it, it's just very overpriced. I think it should be 180 tops but I was willing to pay for the Xbox layout. It's just much more comfortable to me. I really think this could of been the perfect controller for ps5 if they would of designed back paddles a little better. I have a aim dualsense also and this is much better. I'll be selling the aim to a buddy. This razer feels close to an elite 2 which in my opinion might be the most comfortable controller ever made. If it lasts me 2 to 3 years I'll be happy.
Hey man! Do you know if the touchpad have the same featuring of the original Playstation controllers? I mean, like in Detroit Become human you need to slide your finger in the touchpad to open a door"
I am having trouble on wired ps5 setting. I did put the settings on wired mode ps5 at the back of the controller . The ps5 does not seem to recognize the controller.
Appreciate the video, was considering this controller but the lacking ergonomics are just going to have to make me skip this. I don't want a controller with back buttons that are that much of a pain to press. I will be awaiting your Victrix Pro BFG controller, I've been interested in that one for a while now too. My issue with the Edge is that I just really want 4 of those paddles, they just had to go with 2. I'm still excited to see how it will be though. I would have been happy with my Pro controllers had the Xbox Elite V2 not been such a disappointment. I've exchanged 10 of those hoping to find one that would reliably register face buttons on non centered input, aside of all the other issues it has. But I eventually stopped and here I am. Hope Victrix Pro BFG is the one worth getting. Appreciate the content, keep it up Thanks!
I want it solely for the thumb stick placement. The symmetrical sticks don't do it for me. I love the Wolverine chroma for Xbox so I'm going for this over the edge.
Razer Wolverine Ultimate Xbox wired controller is $100 and comes with a case. Subsequent controllers cost more to much more to way way more and they have decided, "eh, they don't need case". 🤔
I just received my Razer controller and I should have done more research before buying. I am returning this immediately. On my PS5 I only play mainly single player story driven games, and this controller is missing key PlayStation features that I was not aware of that I must have. I wanted this to be my only PS5 controller and this is not it. The controller feels good in my hands. I like the Xbox style sticks, but there is no vibration, I like the click sounding buttons, but for $250 the tradeoff is not worth it. I assume the battery life has to be better than my standard PS5 controllers since there is no vibration, no haptic feedback, and I kind of like being able to remove the rear paddles which this one doesn't allow. It is just best to return it and wait for Sony's Pro controller.
It feels great in your hands. But what justifies the $249 price point? No vibration functions, no speaker, no carrying case, short charging cable. And you need a phone to program the RGB and settings to your liking. I got hosed.
This controller completely owns for fighting games and shooters. The back buttons admittedly don’t get much use but the top buttons are superior to any other extra button I’ve used. It’s overpriced for sure though.
When your done over clocking the controller do you need to keep the window open while playing? Or can you close it after your done overclocking? And thank you for the in depth vid keep up the good work! 👍
Yh I'm skipping this 250 for potential scratch that for guarantee drift.. Dual sense edge is the better option cuz thumbsticks can be replaced vice spending over 250 for another controller
I agree 1000% on the warranty for Razr products. I’ve personally experienced that first hand twice and have mode the decision never to purchase their products because of it. I had two of the Razr Raiju controllers that I bought and used for my PS4. The sticks and the wire malfunctioned.
If Razer do plan to make another Pro Controller for PS5, wonder if they'll listen from consumers. Cause it look great and all, but after knowing some few features wasn't included, I decided just stick with Victrix... Sadly waiting till February 1st.. :')
Disappointing! At this point, the Edge is going to be the choice. Great review Captain. Just bought the Wolverine V2 for 49 bucks btw, can't wait (playing claw on that).
Pre-ordered it and well it's not good. Where to start, the white indicater bar only lights up on the left side instead of the full bar, the white light and blue light appear on at the same time event though the controller is on wired and pc mode when the ps5 is off and I have it charging, then the yellow indicator light rapidly flashes after its fully charged. The manual gives no insight and the app support is lacking. However, using it on cod vs the scuf reflex fps the razer is super sensitive which can be good or bad just depends on the user. I have contacted razer and have a case open. I don't know if you have the same issue with the light bar being lit up? Great review.
Update: case is not closed I opted to get my money back after speaking and emailing razer about the issue, however, no one could answer my questions about the issues I was having with the controller. Come the 14th Dec 22 I was given a shipping label to send it in and at 0900 hrs the 15th Dec dropped off the package to ship at about 1100hrs razer emailed me to hold off from sending it. I gave them a call and unfortunately, it was too late. Razer support was unable able to specify a reason and after about 10 to 15 min on hold they stated that it was a wrong shipping label and nothing more. A little bit suspicious because the label first provided was still going to razer and I specified that I would given them the tracking number provided, however, it was met with a script. In the end The controller is going back for a refund. Also for some odd reason they mentioned about updating to controller which we are unable to do via the phone app or pc.
Ergonomics are important to me. The Dual Sense is the first PS controller that has actually felt good. As much as I'd love six programmable buttons, I'll take the two on the Edge if the comfort is superior. I had to stop playing my PS4 for several months because age is coming for me and I started having pain in my hands thanks to Ghosts of Tsushima.
This is so incredibly disappointing to hear tbh. The Dualsense is my least favorite modern controller of all time, and it's incredibly uncomfortable for me personally as it's too big for my hands and I've been absolutely desperate for a third party controller to come out since it's released (any ideas on why Sony's been not letting 3rd party's release for so long?). The Razer and the Victrix have caught my attention since I like back paddles, and the Razer looked like the one I wanted, so to hear it's uncomfortable and hard to hit the back buttons is really sad. Really excited to see your Victrix review whenever it comes out!
Of all the controllers you feature, this is one of the ones I want to see torn down the most. What're they using for the mech switches, what're they using for the microcontroller and wireless chip, how's the dpad implemented, etc. For example, what makes Razer's switches better than other controller switches that aren't just a membrane dome. I find 8-way dpads interesting, but for reasons other than how they'll always be implemented. I wish game engines had a discrete input for 45°s, rather than mixed 90°+90°s, this way with a discrete 45° you can get mixed 22.5°s from 45°+90°s. I know, limited use case, pain in the ass to physically implement, especially with poor dpad designs, etc., I just wish we could have these additional inputs, because more inputs are always better when they make sense. Oh well, at least the Steam Controller existed and I can give myself this 8-way dpad with additional 8 mixed inputs with some work, and much more. As for the clutch mode, I can somewhat understand it from a PC perspective. It's no different than a mouse DPI switch, which has been marketed to us for what, decade and a half, two decades now? I remember Mad Catz was the first to go all in on the marketing of this with the original R.A.T., or was the OG the M.O.U.S.E, I know rat is the series that lived on but I do remember at least one model holding the mouse name. Back in the days when MMO mice were the main gimmick on the market, before we started getting trackpoints under the thumb, extra buttons along the main mouse button, DPI switches, etc. You can have the exact same performance arguments for mouse DPI switches as you do with the stick clutch feature, you could also make similar arguments for using fine gyro movement along with coarse stick movement. Honestly I think it only really exists for when you have super high stick sensitivity, the kind where you can do a whole camera flick with minimal stick input, then use the clutch when you don't need a flick during aiming. It just comes down to personal preference. I have a feeling that some features are also Sony first party exclusive. Look at all the third party PS5 controllers coming out, do any of them have haptic engines or the force feedback triggers? Similar to Xbox and their rumble triggers. Though it looks like Flydigi's Apex 3 might have an alternative to force feedback triggers, though it's not a PS5 controller and they're a mobile-oriented company, so I'm not sure how exactly they're implementing them _if_ they are force feedback, it's hard to tell as their marketing is garbage and they're too niche to get wide exposure; but I would think that realistically only PS5 has force feedback implementation due to proprietary API and game engine implementation, unless mobile has started doing something similar. I don't trust the claimed battery life numbers. We all know companies use the absolute most efficient usage to fudge those numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers are just with the controller on and idle, no gaming, no connections, just on and sitting, either with RGB on or off. I'd expect those numbers to drop once you do start gaming, especially with the phone app connected to it, and with vibration turned on; we all know motors kill battery life, reason why the DS5 has such a short battery cycle, probably reason why this controller, and other third party controllers, won't have force feedback triggers nor advanced haptic engines. I'm a bit surprised, with the hyperspeed wireless bullshit going on, that Razer isn't back on their 8khz polling bullshit again. Glad to see they're as inconsistent as ever. Not that it matters, I just find it funny how they continually jump ship every time they release something 'new.' Now watch, hyperspeed wireless won't make a return, because Razer consistency. If hyperspeed really is any faster than any other discrete 2.4ghz connection. I also find it a bit funny how this is just an Xbox controller in Sony clothing. Touchpad and licensing aside, this literally is just an Xbox controller. Speaking of non-Xbox features, does this even have gyro? I can't find any information on if it does or not. Bit odd if it's missing, since Sony loves their SixAxis. All the more reason to call it an Xbox controller anyways. Although these might just be quirks of the PC mode, as it is an actual Xinput device while in this mode; I'd like to see these same tests using it as a PS5 controller though, see if the Sony side of things unlocks it or not. Though that being said, that touchpad isn't going to show up on PC due to Xinput not having overhead for it, which means if you configure this in Steam Input you can't map it to additional functions, another thing that using it in PS5 mode would change. Even the naming of this indicates it's an Xbox controller at its core, I would've expected the PS5 controllers to carry the Raiju naming or some new naming scheme; maybe this was a tactical approach to it, the third party PS5 controller market isn't big yet, this might have been a planned failure that can revert to an Xinput device for when it does fail in the PS5 market. Though, I don't entirely trust Razer, or at all actually. They've always been plagued with QC issues, and on top of that customer service issues as well. Min is an absolute cock and will mobilize his rabid fanbase against someone who disagrees with him, who also participates in deceptive practices and shady marketing, and will outright lie about things just to make himself or his company look better; how about a three-hundred something dollar chroma mug, yet it's 'free' because you can only buy it via their made up digital currency, yet when you publicly ask why a damn mug is so expensive he'll belittle you about how you're complaining about a 'free' mug and sic his rabid fanbase on you within a public forum- and that's just one example, keep in mind that LTT/Linus also mostly cut ties with this man and his company. And they're still forcing software, of which Razer has a super, super scummy and shady history with software; remember when they had their own digital currency, remember when they had a game launcher that was a miner for said currency, remember all the times they'll harvest your data to sell it off? Oh and let's not forget their THX buyout, which only exists to make bullshit certifications so that they can cut corners to avoid licensing Dolby; funny, I wonder why this controller doesn't have a mic and speaker, to go with the headphone jack, with the suite of make-believe THX certifications, just like their other audio products have. Oh and remember when they were in the wearables market, guess who was harvesting more than just digital footprint data, and guess who dropped out of said market when they weren't competing with larger brands. Between a shit CEO, shit QC, and shit software with shitty practices, I just can't trust them for anything.
I have the wolverine V2 pro and the new Nacon Revolution Pro 5. Both are nice,the wolverine is light weight,kinda cheap feeling but works well. The Revolution 5 pro is heavier with a more solid feeling.
Problem with all razer controllers is the thumb sticks. I don’t know if it’s the lack of tension, lack of range of motion or in built deadzones but they have just always felt off to me. It’s really hard to do precise movements with these. These ones seem the exact same which is a massive problem for anyone who plays fps/shooters regularly
built in deadzone on the controller is the reason why everything is feeling off. No way to change the deadzones on the controller at the moment. I actually returned mine for this reason. I felt like a bot trying to aim lol
I really would like this controller just for the fact that the analog stick locations are like the xbox controller which i prefer.
I can't believe I didn't mention a single time during this 40 minute review, that the thumbsticks are offset like the Xbox layout and not symmetrical like typical PS sticks.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Yeah i was kind of wondering the same thing. Lol.
Right.. one of the only reasons why I might lean more towards the Victrix pro than the Edge
I'm missing my old Astros PS4 controller for that feature. I was willing to overlook every criticism right up until I couldn't turn on the PS5 from my controller. I don't get out of my recliner for anything. Guess I'll look into the Victrix BFG or just suck it up and get the Sony pro.
Honestly that's one of my favorite things about this controller. If this controller had haptic feedback and adaptive triggers. Would definitely be worth the high price but unfortunately it doesn't.
Have you ever done a tier list for all the different game pads/controllers? I think the community would be grateful to hear your thoughts on all the latest remotes compared side by side.
Great idea!
Thx! You just saved me $250 🙌🏻
No problem 👍
He bought you one too?!
Clicked this faster than I am proud to announce 🤣
bwahaha, you got me rolling over here
@@GamerHeavenOfficial honestly Kevin, great video mate. I was stuck between the edge, razer wolverine and possibly the Victrix Pro bfg for competitive PS5 play. Thank god I didn’t buy the razer one. Patiently waiting for the Victrix review, I’m almost set on it but I need the Controller Captain seal of approval!
One more thing if you don’t mind mate, I recently commented on your overclocking tutorial but I can imagine it got lost in translation. If you overclock the polling rate of a controller on a PC would the improved input lag also travel over to the console when you plug the controller back in? I reckon the answer is no but I thought it would be worth an ask.
Love the videos bro, keep it up
You basically just announced it to is.
Thank you for this review. I was going to buy this but waited for your review instead. You saved me a good chunk of money. Will be waiting for your review on the dualsense edge.
Glad I could help! The Dualsense Edge right out of the gate has alot more going for it in my opinion, but we will have to see :)
Like what 2 paddles compared to 6. A battery with 5-7 hours of battery life lmao
@@GamerHeavenOfficial hello so to bother you. Do you know any Extended Controller grips that fits the Razer v2 chroma? I can't buy razer controllers because kontrol freeks doesn't fit. I can't play without KF
Let’s keep it real. Nobody buying a pro controller to get adaptive triggers or speakers in the controller. You’re buying a pro controller to play shooters like cod warzone Fortnite apex etc. So I don’t care about not having that in a 300 250 or a 200 controller. My only concerns are the rear paddles and clicky triggers. Everything else is whatever. I also don’t care about a carrying case. I don’t even know where my case is for my scuf controller. If I could try this controller out before buying and I liked it I would buy it. But since I got a scuf I probably wouldn’t. Still looks like a solid controller imo
Thank you for providing such detailed reviews, especially since these controllers are so pricey.
Every suspicion I had of this has been confirmed, especially with regards to comfort and the back button placement.
My pleasure!
I love the three triggers, don’t care for haptic feedback, more thumb sticks would be beneficial and the rear buttons could have been placed better. Looks like a 8.5/10 for me
@@ryanjones8156 is this bigger than the v2 chroma?
I think I’m gonna go with the PlayStation edge. It has replaceable stick modules.
Thank you for your reviews they are very helpful.
You’re welcome
@@GamerHeavenOfficialin your expertise, do you think that the analog sticks being offset would make adding haptics a more difficult feat?
No way. Not with the edge having only two remappable buttons
@@nashwalker7 that’s not a problem for me. I mainly want the Mose click and dead zone stuff
Would not recommend
I really wish it was just the tournament edition tbh that to me was the most comfortable controller I’ve ever held
Tournament is actually really comfy.
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You are welcome, and thank you
I just like this controller because it has 6 extra remapable buttons and paddles. Which is great for qol. I want the edge but it only has two.
I bought mine with the Razer warranty. Over 300 dollars but I would pay a premium for controller comfort. I love offset sticks, it just comfortable to me. Didn’t play my ps5 for months because my left thumb would just hurt because of that stretch. I love the feel of the controller, I’m going to be straight with everyone I bought the controller JUST for the stick placement alone. The extra buttons I’m goinna have to figure out what can I do with them. I take my gaming serious and I want to be comfortable. I shouldn’t have to endure pain playing video games so that’s why this was and instant buy for me. I get to enjoy my ps5 to the fullest now.
I agree, when I don't have to stretch my thumb out too far, it doesn't trigger my arthritis in my hands, the 5 controller is nice but my fingers start tingling and going numb after a match of cod
Yeewssssss I agree the same reason as me
Do you know if kontrol freeks fit this controller? I love razer plus their extra bumpers and placement of back buttons but I can't play without KF infernos particularly. So I haven't bought the v2 chroma months ago I wanted. Idk if kontrol freeks fits on this. It's a shame if it doesn't
@@alanuriel786 no the sticks are wider but if you are crafty with glue and scissors you can make it happen. So with the dualaense my thumbs would slip from time to time. I bought grip-it covers. They can go around the thumbsticks fine but easily come off. So I took gorilla glue and stuck them on and it's been fantastic.
I really prefer the detailed reviews instead of these 10 min review videos that basically just tell you what the description says at the back of the box. I also love how you went with the pros and the cons too
Been waiting for this review before parting with my money. You’ve saved me some cash once again!
Now we need the exact same controller, but with that gorgeous clicky 8-way rolling d-pad (seems to be an evolution of Sega Saturn D-Pad) on the top left corner ! Sony style !
And another symmetrical exactly the same (with 8-way-rolling clicky D-Pad on top left) for the switch !
I commented on one of your other posts that I had mine currently being shipped. I received mine a couple hours ago. I’d give my thoughts but reading the comments from all these lovey sounding people I’ll keep my mouth shut lmao. Don’t want these outstanding citizens coming after me. I’ll just say great in-depth review. Disagree with some of your cons. Agree with the pros. See you in the next video!
I am returning mine so fast. I slowly went from sad to anger watching this. I never had a thought of crash grab pop up so much in my life… I just wait for the ps5 controller.
Appreciate the reviews man! Think I'll go with the Victrix.
I would have had the victrix but it got pushed back twice smh
Thanks for your excellent review. Love your humour & character as always. Totally agree with your comments around the immersion. Its like having a great handling car and putting shit tyres on it. And with that, I was totally onboard up until the bombshell about the absence of all the unique dual sense features. Why pay so much to have immersion removed! I'll stay with my Reflex Pros...
Biggest problem for this controller is the thumb sticks. As he said in the video, compared to the dual sense, the range of motion on the sticks, even with the included extended thumb stick, is way less. Couple this with the fact that you cant use kontrol freeks on it, and you're stuck with only one option which is to relearn your aim if coming from a dual sense. I also tried filing down some of my kontrol freeks to make them fit on the sticks, and while they did fit after modifications, the range of motion of the sticks are still not great because of how they are built. You either have to make your thumb stick super tall by adding a tall control freak onto the included taller stick which feels horrible and like you're driving an 18 wheeler, or you have to suffer from lack of range of motion because the stick doesn't protrude far enough from the anti friction rings. Its sad cut the rest of the controller is amazing, especially the extra shoulder buttons.
Please let the Victrix be good
I didn't know this channel and I've been surprised of how accurate and well done this review is. Bravo 👏🏻
Mines came the day you put up this review. I love this controller. The placement of the back buttons are cool with me because if I don't want to use the buttons I"m not forced to place my fingers on them and accidentally click them like with other pro controllers I have.
I’m looking to get this or the v2 chroma. Which one is bigger? I’ll prefer the smaller one because of the back paddle placement
I really like it but I don’t know if it’s the same as you but “sometimes” (like 2 times) the controller just turns off does it do the same for you?
i suggest setting the bottom back paddles to buttons you use frequently and the top back paddles to buttons you use sparingly. this way your fingers are not always rested on the top back paddles because if they are then it starts to hurt. but if they are rested on the bottom ones then it feels great.
Great point
That’s actually how they’re meant to be used. If u remember when razer released the Xbox wolverine ultimate with the same exact configuration, they meant to have the 2 “paddles” at the top be the buttons next to the triggers, and the 2 bottom “paddles” be the bottom paddle buttons of the controller. The two paddle buttons on top of it were meant to be used sparingly, with the auto config. Back then being to increase or decrease sensitivity while they were pressed down for more precise aim. They were by no means meant to be used to jump or build or anything that would require constant clicking. That’s just my two cents.
Sweet review. I guess that was what I expecting from this Razer controller. I pre-ordered the Edge one, hopefully it will do a good job :) Stay safe
Damn I was really excited for this
Great video. It’s hilarious that all the three things you love about the ps5 controller I hate lol. Nothing more annoying than that speaker,haptic feedback is also annoying adaptive triggers. Definitely getting this now
Great post because those are the 3 things idgaf about. I always forget that you can go into the settings and permanently turn that speaker off. I don’t like my triggers rumbling.
@@michaelbutler8688 to start a match and hear people eating Doritos or screaming is annoying,but like you said I forget to turn it off. Rumbling in my controllers throws off my aim. All that haptic feedback etc for me is pointless and will never be used and kills the battery. I’ve been watching this guy for years. He truly knows controllers.
You’re always my go to with new controllers! I’ll definitely save my money and wait for you to review the Sony oficial pro controller.
i bought this controller 3 days ago and I legit used it for a day, ran into the deadzone issue, FIXED the deadzone issue, and then realized that the controller legit just was not worth the price point after using it for another day and returned it. it felt like it should have had more to offer for $250. the dualsense edge is infinitely better in my opinion and thats what ive gotten.
“These things are the bee’s knees and the mule’s nips.” lol
1:22 that’s exactly how I hold my controller and why I went with PlayStation over the original Xbox years ago. The back of the controller made it impossible for me to hold it.
Love your content. Just a suggestion: don't give the ratings on the timestamps, i feel like it'll help with the watch time. Just my opinion. You probably know more about this stuff than me.
Thanks for the feedback , you are probably right .
Just got one today and I’m happy with my purchase so far. Just need to adjust to button layout. A+ review
I was so happy to see an in depth review of the software. Thank you for saving me from buying this. I am an ARPG gamer and my holy grail for a controller would be an autocast functionality. So one can use a controller for PC games meant for mouse and keyboard and simplify mechanics. I have a lot of Razer products and all of them on my PC - gamepad, mouse and keyboard have programmable macros. So disappointed to see none of that here. WTF Razer? I guess Sony would not allow that with their name on it. Or worse…
Thanks so much for this video and review! I subscribed immediately cause these are really thorough reviews. I think you sold me off this and now I might grab the Victrix pro bfg. It's apparently a nice fight pad as well, comfortable, has a 60hr battery life and let's you swap the left analog and dpad from Sony to Xbox mode, which is helpful for playing fighting games and most non fighters respectively I can't wait for your review
Thank you for being brutally honest!
Always good sir
Dude I just gotta say you are so freaking funny.I am notoriously hard to make laugh out loud But somehow you managed to do it on every single video lately. Cheers
Love your content sir!, man you have the NesMax wow some memories :D
PlayStation should honestly make a regular Xbox style controller
I could justify the price tag if they would relocate those rear buttons and add their mechanical switches to them, add a carrying case, and bring back the media module from the original ultimate. Charging $250 for a wireless v2 chroma is crazy.
Bought it day one and was amazed when I got it home and saw it didn't come with case, the gambit is half the price and has a case, still a heck of a controller.
The mechanical buttons and dpad are second to none, and having the extra bumpers is great
I’m a big user of the back paddles but these are sadly not working for me , but this isn’t a loss, this controller will just be game specific. With the victrix controller coming soon there’s nothing to be sad about it the controller world.
@@strwberryvexmilk return it if it is not working. but if you mean they are uncomfortable i suggest setting the bottom back paddles to buttons you use frequently and the top ones to buttons you use sparingly. this way your fingers are not always rested on the top back paddles because if they are then it starts to hurt.
@justin morse I wanted the victrix but they pushed it back twice, one more time and I'm done with wanting it
@@SirAsylus89 I’m not happy with the delay either my brother but that being said , the Astro c40 was my GOAT and not being able to use it on ps5 was rough, the victrix looks very similar to the c40 . I’ll keep waiting a bit longer, the gambits also the best controller I’ve used for Xbox so I’ve got some trust with the company, but Time will tell.
The only thing I like about this controller, is the floating 8-way d-pad. But if it were symmetrical, I'm all for it. Awesome vid as always AK-40Kevin👍😎
Wait so because there is no speaker on the controller i cant talk to people in a voice chat anymore?
Haptics isn't for "pro" play, they add weight and throw the shot off. Putting in haptics would be like adding a radio and subwoofer system in a Formula 1 car.
Thank you for saving me 250 notes dude really appreciate it 👍👌
Oh man, so spot on. I pre-ordered this controller and was so excited that it shipped early. Only to find those back buttons were just unusable for me. I sent it back after one day! Had to pay shipping though. So let this review be a warning to anyone who is thinking about this!
Idk man, I mean i love mine, yeah I hardly use the 2 top back buttons but it's pretty legit
Bought this controller and took it back the next day, the dead zones just didn’t do it for me
I've got cold feet about this controller. $250 to receive less features than stock, 2 ms delay(wired), 4 ms (wireless) and microswitches that are easy mods to the DualSense for $20 by eXtremeRate....I don't think those paddles seem worth it either. Very disappointing package from Razer.
Very well said my friend. ⬆️
Did you overclock it…
The search for the perfect controller continues...forever.
I wish the wolverine v2 chroma had the triggers from this controller. Then I could be like magneto and have.. Perfection.
Think I’ll wait for the Dualsense Edge
Great, honest and very detailed Review with nice jokes. :)
Been using this controller for a couple days now and really don’t like the analog sticks at all. Much prefer the short ones. Also I have to stretch my fingers for the back pads that is not convenient at all. Going to return mine
Only controller reviewer i trust
DUDE YOU SAVED ME SO MUCH MONEY! THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!! :)
I've got the Xbox one and I think it's _the most_ comfortable controller I've ever used, and the extra bumper buttons are my other favorite feature.
*But,* the four back buttons are in the the worst spot compared to every other controller. They're too close to the center and you have to hold it in an uncomfortable way, unless you've got fingers an inch longer than normal people.
I completely agree with you. When/if this goes on sale, I’ll be buying it just to be able to go back to using the extra bumper buttons with the Xbox stick layout on ps5. Once I started using the wolverine on Xbox, I couldn’t play with anything else. I’ve been thru 3, with one in the closet waiting that I got dirt cheap. I’ve never clicked a back button more than 5 times on any one of them combined haha
Had to subscribe after watching this video. Amazing stuff man!
GREAT VIDEO MAN, VERY THROUGH...BECAME A SUBSCRIBER THE MINUTE I SAW YOUR CONTROLLER WALL WITH THOSE PSP'S AND OTHER HANDHELDS!!!!!!!
BRO you should make ur own controller u know what a controller players need
Thanks man, this just confirmed that people is paying more for the brand than the product, just because razer got famous for great products they think we gonna paid for this stupid controller, I’ll go for the edge even if is only 4 hr battery
Hey I can tell you put in a lot of work in this video Ty for that you covered everything I could think of 👌🏾
I have the Xbox Elite Series 2 and I just dont like the mushy face buttons so this at least has that benefit.
Im super bummed theres no haptic though. I could live without the adaptive triggers but the haptic makes a big difference on PS5.
I can at least use this as my main girl for PC gaming and gonna have to get the PS5 Pro controller later on.
Very nice review, thanks for your work,saved me alot of money
I like the ps controllers in the fact that it has much more features than an Xbox controller, but the thing I've never really liked about them is the stick placement, and is one of the reasons why I like to use an Xbox controller instead since they are offset. It's one of the reasons why I wanted this remote, but seeing your review makes me see that, yea maybe it's not so good, tho the victrix controller is one that I might lean towards
So I know I'm a bit late , but just wanted to say thank you for such a detailed review. I'm buying the controller because it fits me, which you did an excellent job of describing in detail why some might like it or not. I appreciate those types of informative reviews. New subscriber for sure
My dream controller: hall effect analog high tension if possible, six rear buttons kinda like razor maybe different locations because they kinda feel awkward my hands. Personally I like the new scuff rear buttons. All mecha tactile buttons face and rear paddles, triggers/ shoulder buttons. Bluetooth and wireless. Elite series 2 built in battery. Usb c, Magnetic faceplate. And right to repair like valve did with the steam deck. I'd gladly give arm and leg for this maybe a kidney or left testicle.
I got this controller a coupke days ago. I'm pretty happy with it for the most part. Only 2 negatives really for me and that's the price and the paddles or back buttons. It's way too expensive for what you get. Should at least come with a case. The build quality feels pretty good to me though. It feels premium in my opinion. It is kinda light but I think that's just because it has no vibration motors. It's very comfortable in my hands but the back buttons are awkward to hit. They are not unusable but will definitely take some getting used to. It is much more comfortable than a dualsense. All the buttons and sticks feel really good. It's a nice controller and I'm pretty happy with it, it's just very overpriced. I think it should be 180 tops but I was willing to pay for the Xbox layout. It's just much more comfortable to me. I really think this could of been the perfect controller for ps5 if they would of designed back paddles a little better. I have a aim dualsense also and this is much better. I'll be selling the aim to a buddy. This razer feels close to an elite 2 which in my opinion might be the most comfortable controller ever made. If it lasts me 2 to 3 years I'll be happy.
Hey man! Do you know if the touchpad have the same featuring of the original Playstation controllers? I mean, like in Detroit Become human you need to slide your finger in the touchpad to open a door"
I am having trouble on wired ps5 setting. I did put the settings on wired mode ps5 at the back of the controller . The ps5 does not seem to recognize the controller.
Stoked for bfg review. May send back the the gambit I just purchased if it is just as fast depending on your thoughts
Another great review!
I was just about to buy this because my nearby razer store stocked them. Thank you for sharing this and definitely pulled the trigger on this purchase
Happy I cancelled my order on this controller I just couldn't swallow the price. I'm gonna try the victrix hopefully it's better for the price.
Appreciate the video, was considering this controller but the lacking ergonomics are just going to have to make me skip this. I don't want a controller with back buttons that are that much of a pain to press. I will be awaiting your Victrix Pro BFG controller, I've been interested in that one for a while now too. My issue with the Edge is that I just really want 4 of those paddles, they just had to go with 2. I'm still excited to see how it will be though.
I would have been happy with my Pro controllers had the Xbox Elite V2 not been such a disappointment. I've exchanged 10 of those hoping to find one that would reliably register face buttons on non centered input, aside of all the other issues it has. But I eventually stopped and here I am. Hope Victrix Pro BFG is the one worth getting. Appreciate the content, keep it up Thanks!
I want it solely for the thumb stick placement. The symmetrical sticks don't do it for me. I love the Wolverine chroma for Xbox so I'm going for this over the edge.
Wouldn’t suggest it. Deadzone is terrible
@DamianSlayin It's very underwhelming. I'll just stick with the basic controller.
Great review man. Enjoyed it.
sweet, pretty confidant that the NEXT Razer Wolverine will be awesome!
Razer Wolverine Ultimate Xbox wired controller is $100 and comes with a case. Subsequent controllers cost more to much more to way way more and they have decided, "eh, they don't need case". 🤔
I just received my Razer controller and I should have done more research before buying. I am returning this immediately. On my PS5 I only play mainly single player story driven games, and this controller is missing key PlayStation features that I was not aware of that I must have. I wanted this to be my only PS5 controller and this is not it. The controller feels good in my hands. I like the Xbox style sticks, but there is no vibration, I like the click sounding buttons, but for $250 the tradeoff is not worth it. I assume the battery life has to be better than my standard PS5 controllers since there is no vibration, no haptic feedback, and I kind of like being able to remove the rear paddles which this one doesn't allow. It is just best to return it and wait for Sony's Pro controller.
Gotta get this , buttons activates better and more frequently, gives me the ups on my opponent. Must try this . I can adjust to the back buttons
I was waiting on this review before preordering. Now I’ll just stick to the either the vitrix or the DualSense edge (once those reviews come out)
It feels great in your hands. But what justifies the $249 price point? No vibration functions, no speaker, no carrying case, short charging cable. And you need a phone to program the RGB and settings to your liking. I got hosed.
This controller completely owns for fighting games and shooters. The back buttons admittedly don’t get much use but the top buttons are superior to any other extra button I’ve used. It’s overpriced for sure though.
So this controller’s D-Pad is good? I tried out some Tekken 7 but the DualSense D-Pad sucks ass for that or any fighting game I’ve tried
@@KingOfXB0XLive I love it yea. Super clicky and easy to “feel” each input IMO
Gotta love the Ace of Spades
I subscribed just to look at your controller wall, that's all I care about
For the profile thing you have to hold it and press left or right on the dpad
When your done over clocking the controller do you need to keep the window open while playing? Or can you close it after your done overclocking?
And thank you for the in depth vid keep up the good work! 👍
You can close it. Everytime you plug that controller to the PC it will be at 1000 hz (or whatever you selected in the OC software)
@@GamerHeavenOfficial Appreciate it Boss looking forward for the next vid! 😎
Yh I'm skipping this 250 for potential scratch that for guarantee drift.. Dual sense edge is the better option cuz thumbsticks can be replaced vice spending over 250 for another controller
Agreed
Does it have gyro?
No
I agree 1000% on the warranty for Razr products. I’ve personally experienced that first hand twice and have mode the decision never to purchase their products because of it. I had two of the Razr Raiju controllers that I bought and used for my PS4. The sticks and the wire malfunctioned.
If Razer do plan to make another Pro Controller for PS5, wonder if they'll listen from consumers. Cause it look great and all, but after knowing some few features wasn't included, I decided just stick with Victrix... Sadly waiting till February 1st.. :')
Disappointing! At this point, the Edge is going to be the choice. Great review Captain. Just bought the Wolverine V2 for 49 bucks btw, can't wait (playing claw on that).
Oh god you got me nervous in the first minute haha 😄
lol sorry man
Pre-ordered it and well it's not good. Where to start, the white indicater bar only lights up on the left side instead of the full bar, the white light and blue light appear on at the same time event though the controller is on wired and pc mode when the ps5 is off and I have it charging, then the yellow indicator light rapidly flashes after its fully charged. The manual gives no insight and the app support is lacking. However, using it on cod vs the scuf reflex fps the razer is super sensitive which can be good or bad just depends on the user. I have contacted razer and have a case open. I don't know if you have the same issue with the light bar being lit up? Great review.
Thank you for sharing your experience, please keep me and the rest of us apprised as to the situation. Glad you liked the review
Update: case is not closed I opted to get my money back after speaking and emailing razer about the issue, however, no one could answer my questions about the issues I was having with the controller. Come the 14th Dec 22 I was given a shipping label to send it in and at 0900 hrs the 15th Dec dropped off the package to ship at about 1100hrs razer emailed me to hold off from sending it. I gave them a call and unfortunately, it was too late. Razer support was unable able to specify a reason and after about 10 to 15 min on hold they stated that it was a wrong shipping label and nothing more. A little bit suspicious because the label first provided was still going to razer and I specified that I would given them the tracking number provided, however, it was met with a script. In the end The controller is going back for a refund. Also for some odd reason they mentioned about updating to controller which we are unable to do via the phone app or pc.
Ergonomics are important to me. The Dual Sense is the first PS controller that has actually felt good. As much as I'd love six programmable buttons, I'll take the two on the Edge if the comfort is superior.
I had to stop playing my PS4 for several months because age is coming for me and I started having pain in my hands thanks to Ghosts of Tsushima.
Welp, I knew that the V2 Pro was going to be a bust. I'll be sweating during the Victrix BFG Pro review tho.
This is so incredibly disappointing to hear tbh. The Dualsense is my least favorite modern controller of all time, and it's incredibly uncomfortable for me personally as it's too big for my hands and I've been absolutely desperate for a third party controller to come out since it's released (any ideas on why Sony's been not letting 3rd party's release for so long?). The Razer and the Victrix have caught my attention since I like back paddles, and the Razer looked like the one I wanted, so to hear it's uncomfortable and hard to hit the back buttons is really sad. Really excited to see your Victrix review whenever it comes out!
Not uncomfortable, I love it, got arthritis in both hands and it doesn't bother me
Thanks again. im not buying this one for 250 dollars, getting a ps5 dual sense edge
Of all the controllers you feature, this is one of the ones I want to see torn down the most. What're they using for the mech switches, what're they using for the microcontroller and wireless chip, how's the dpad implemented, etc. For example, what makes Razer's switches better than other controller switches that aren't just a membrane dome.
I find 8-way dpads interesting, but for reasons other than how they'll always be implemented. I wish game engines had a discrete input for 45°s, rather than mixed 90°+90°s, this way with a discrete 45° you can get mixed 22.5°s from 45°+90°s. I know, limited use case, pain in the ass to physically implement, especially with poor dpad designs, etc., I just wish we could have these additional inputs, because more inputs are always better when they make sense. Oh well, at least the Steam Controller existed and I can give myself this 8-way dpad with additional 8 mixed inputs with some work, and much more.
As for the clutch mode, I can somewhat understand it from a PC perspective. It's no different than a mouse DPI switch, which has been marketed to us for what, decade and a half, two decades now? I remember Mad Catz was the first to go all in on the marketing of this with the original R.A.T., or was the OG the M.O.U.S.E, I know rat is the series that lived on but I do remember at least one model holding the mouse name. Back in the days when MMO mice were the main gimmick on the market, before we started getting trackpoints under the thumb, extra buttons along the main mouse button, DPI switches, etc. You can have the exact same performance arguments for mouse DPI switches as you do with the stick clutch feature, you could also make similar arguments for using fine gyro movement along with coarse stick movement. Honestly I think it only really exists for when you have super high stick sensitivity, the kind where you can do a whole camera flick with minimal stick input, then use the clutch when you don't need a flick during aiming. It just comes down to personal preference.
I have a feeling that some features are also Sony first party exclusive. Look at all the third party PS5 controllers coming out, do any of them have haptic engines or the force feedback triggers? Similar to Xbox and their rumble triggers. Though it looks like Flydigi's Apex 3 might have an alternative to force feedback triggers, though it's not a PS5 controller and they're a mobile-oriented company, so I'm not sure how exactly they're implementing them _if_ they are force feedback, it's hard to tell as their marketing is garbage and they're too niche to get wide exposure; but I would think that realistically only PS5 has force feedback implementation due to proprietary API and game engine implementation, unless mobile has started doing something similar.
I don't trust the claimed battery life numbers. We all know companies use the absolute most efficient usage to fudge those numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if those numbers are just with the controller on and idle, no gaming, no connections, just on and sitting, either with RGB on or off. I'd expect those numbers to drop once you do start gaming, especially with the phone app connected to it, and with vibration turned on; we all know motors kill battery life, reason why the DS5 has such a short battery cycle, probably reason why this controller, and other third party controllers, won't have force feedback triggers nor advanced haptic engines.
I'm a bit surprised, with the hyperspeed wireless bullshit going on, that Razer isn't back on their 8khz polling bullshit again. Glad to see they're as inconsistent as ever. Not that it matters, I just find it funny how they continually jump ship every time they release something 'new.' Now watch, hyperspeed wireless won't make a return, because Razer consistency. If hyperspeed really is any faster than any other discrete 2.4ghz connection.
I also find it a bit funny how this is just an Xbox controller in Sony clothing. Touchpad and licensing aside, this literally is just an Xbox controller. Speaking of non-Xbox features, does this even have gyro? I can't find any information on if it does or not. Bit odd if it's missing, since Sony loves their SixAxis. All the more reason to call it an Xbox controller anyways. Although these might just be quirks of the PC mode, as it is an actual Xinput device while in this mode; I'd like to see these same tests using it as a PS5 controller though, see if the Sony side of things unlocks it or not. Though that being said, that touchpad isn't going to show up on PC due to Xinput not having overhead for it, which means if you configure this in Steam Input you can't map it to additional functions, another thing that using it in PS5 mode would change. Even the naming of this indicates it's an Xbox controller at its core, I would've expected the PS5 controllers to carry the Raiju naming or some new naming scheme; maybe this was a tactical approach to it, the third party PS5 controller market isn't big yet, this might have been a planned failure that can revert to an Xinput device for when it does fail in the PS5 market.
Though, I don't entirely trust Razer, or at all actually. They've always been plagued with QC issues, and on top of that customer service issues as well. Min is an absolute cock and will mobilize his rabid fanbase against someone who disagrees with him, who also participates in deceptive practices and shady marketing, and will outright lie about things just to make himself or his company look better; how about a three-hundred something dollar chroma mug, yet it's 'free' because you can only buy it via their made up digital currency, yet when you publicly ask why a damn mug is so expensive he'll belittle you about how you're complaining about a 'free' mug and sic his rabid fanbase on you within a public forum- and that's just one example, keep in mind that LTT/Linus also mostly cut ties with this man and his company. And they're still forcing software, of which Razer has a super, super scummy and shady history with software; remember when they had their own digital currency, remember when they had a game launcher that was a miner for said currency, remember all the times they'll harvest your data to sell it off? Oh and let's not forget their THX buyout, which only exists to make bullshit certifications so that they can cut corners to avoid licensing Dolby; funny, I wonder why this controller doesn't have a mic and speaker, to go with the headphone jack, with the suite of make-believe THX certifications, just like their other audio products have. Oh and remember when they were in the wearables market, guess who was harvesting more than just digital footprint data, and guess who dropped out of said market when they weren't competing with larger brands. Between a shit CEO, shit QC, and shit software with shitty practices, I just can't trust them for anything.
I have the wolverine V2 pro and the new Nacon Revolution Pro 5. Both are nice,the wolverine is light weight,kinda cheap feeling but works well. The Revolution 5 pro is heavier with a more solid feeling.
I got the nancon and after an hour the dpad started sticking
Problem with all razer controllers is the thumb sticks. I don’t know if it’s the lack of tension, lack of range of motion or in built deadzones but they have just always felt off to me. It’s really hard to do precise movements with these.
These ones seem the exact same which is a massive problem for anyone who plays fps/shooters regularly
built in deadzone on the controller is the reason why everything is feeling off. No way to change the deadzones on the controller at the moment. I actually returned mine for this reason. I felt like a bot trying to aim lol