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Roland Just Bought DW: Here's Why (edrum news)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2022
- DW, PDP, LP, Gretsch*, and Slingerland have just been purchased by Roland. Here's way:
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*From what I am told, the family still owns the Gretsch name, but DW/Roland have the rights to develop, produce, market, and distribute Gretsch Drums in the USA. Hal Leonard owns the rights for the imported Gretsch drums (Renown, Catalina, Energy).
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1. From what I am told, the family still owns the Gretsch name, but DW/Roland have the rights to develop, produce, market, and distribute Gretsch Drums in the USA. I'm told Hal Leonard owns the rights for the imported Gretsch drums (Renown, Catalina, Energy). I don't know the rights situation in Europe and other areas of the world.
2. I'm hearing DW may have been in financial strain over the past few years. So they may have needed a buyer to help them and become more profitable.
3. It could be argued that it was inevitable that DW would have had to work with another larger company to bring their tech to market. Releasing new flagship electronic drums is very expensive. So DW may have struggled to come out with a true competitor by itself. Back a few years ago DW was working with Gewa on their electronic drum line before that deal fell apart.
I don't know who's buying these expensive drums either electric or acoustic there just isn't the number of jobs for the drummers if you want to play in a hobby band maybe on the weekends or in your garage it seems to me and acoustic set of drums even a cheap set we'll just do fine I think this overthinking and we designing or inventing the drum is just ridiculous it has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime lots of luck most people are just trying to put food on the table and put gas in their car this is just ridiculous 4800 for a drum set get out of here
Maybe so, but just because I can’t afford a Corvette, doesn’t mean I wouldn’t be disappointed in the direction and potential loss of quality and history if Subaru bought Chevy. Albeit, I completely agree food and gas are ridiculous, but that’s a whole different conversation.
Also Gibraltar?
This means Roland are just going to kill whatever tech DW had going so it can continue to sell 80s based tech at premium prices. Along with their patent litigation arm, they've set v-drum technology back by at least a decade, maybe 2.
@@stevengoldstein7890 I’m into acoustic drum gear 100% and I ask myself the same question. The amount of drummers buying very high end and expensive snare drums is staggering. But remember many people in the drum Community are not working drummers but just as much a COLLECTOR of drum gear as they are drummers. Same thing with the guitar market.
I think what could have started this collaboration was when Neil Peart was first starting to play Roland Electronic Drums with his DW kit, the shells were being made by DW and the Roland pads were being integrated into the DW shells. so Roland was making new friends at DW and have been working together for many years now. Roland probably liked the ideas coming from DW and because of Neil needing both company's to complete his drum set, the inevitable happened. Now here we are. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to NEIL PEART today. May he rest in Peace. JOEDRUMS2112
R.I.P. NEIL PEART 😇🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
I theorized about this to my Sweetwater Rep before I saw your post. Good call perhaps on our behalves. I think DW got some ideas and has something Roland cannot do without, whether it is sounds or technologies.
That is an excellent point! Huge fan of Neil Peart,
Overpriced acoustic drums combined with over priced electronic drums. Sounds perfect.
PDP is DW's lower priced kits. They say PDP by DW. Almost all of the other companies have their main brand name even on the lower priced kits. That's the only difference here. Gretsch high end USA custom kits are very expensive. So is a comparable USA made DW. I guess the marketing idea of not using the DW name on the lower end products doesn't do well with some drummers
Drummers don't like when Tama and Pearl pht out comparable products at much cheaper prices.
For real
The thing about DW, is that I can see the justification for their prices for their drums, as they have to compensate for California's high labor taxes. With that said, their hardware is made in Taiwan, and supposedly in the same facility that makes Gibraltar's hardware, so I don't see the price justification
@@jareddoran6605 Yeah, mostly talking about their hardware… their prices, already the highest, have doubled in the last 10 years where others have only increased 50-80%, widening the gap. I mean $270 for a boom stand? Come on… and the MDD was $1000 around 3-4 years ago ok… now it’s $1300 and the 9000 double is over $900… I payed $400 for my DW9002 circa 2007-2010.
A new term has just been invented…”Pre Roland” and “Post Roland” DW and Gretsch drum kits. Thank goodness I have both pre kits.
Affirmative.
Yeah, even though the same people in the same factories are still making the equipment. 😄
Seen that scenario before.
@@JacksonAxe yeah but eventually like every company that gets bought out they roll back priority(I.e. budget)and quality goes right out the window. I’m almost 60…I’ve been around long enough to know that…it doesn’t matter whoever’s making it, if the boss says we’re cutting back then we’re cutting back and the first thing they cut is building material quality so whether it’s the same people making it or not…the product turns to crap.
@@MarcPlaysDrums Being in my 50's, too, I've heard of plenty of those situations.
Roland is a lot different than Gibson. Gibson cheaps out and cuts corners any chance they get, and themselves and their subsidiaries suffer because of it. Roland, similar to DW, hasn't broken any ground in decades, and while their products are nothing special, they're usable, and reliable. How many drummers have at least one DW hardware piece in their kit, whether it be a pedal, or some random clamp? How many keyboardists have at least one piece of Roland gear, whether it be a full on keyboard/synth, or some random midi device? How many guitarists have at least one Boss pedal in their chain, whether it be something that contributes to tone, like overdrive or eq, or some kind of utility pedal, like a noise gate or tuner? A DW kit made pre or post Roland, will have the same value as an old Keller shelled DW kit. Some ultra fans will care, but most won't, as long as they can get it used for a reasonable price
I totally agree. This is a sad day in drumming history and for Roland to make such an acquisition it’s obvious that what DW had behind the curten scared Roland something serious
Did they just say that DW was going to be sold at Walmart? Cuz that is what it sounded like to me.
Always an excellent commentary. Thank you Justin.
DW and Gewa had a working relationship that didn't quite pan out. Originally, there was talk of a DW electronic kit that never emerged, just DW hardware on Gewa systems. Not what DW was looking for. So this tells me they did have something going on.
Also, Neil Peart had been combining Roland and DW for a while, if he had been involved in DW's electronic design then Roland would have noticed as he never endorsed them fully due to "lapses in quality" in the overall product. (which for Neil meant sounds and such). This could be the final Peart legacy product.
I remember this, I wonder why it never happened? I thought the drop in trigger system they had was pretty cool.
My comments stem from my surprise of the Drumming industry as a whole. I am a 70 yo, retiree, who took up playing drums again after 50 Years [1969] as a Hobby and retirement pleasure. I admire and also very plesaed to have learned of the popularity trend of Playing Drums !! By searching the InterWeb for information (where I have learned so much) about Drums, Tuning, Playing, types of Drum heads, etc., it has amazed me how many folks out there are Playing Drums. Back in the old days (1965-69), when I first started playing Drums, everybody wanted to play Guitar!! Ringo and Charlie Watts chnaged all of that for me.... So did Ginger Baker & Keith Moon. And of cource, watching Buddy Rich on Johnnie Carson' Tonight Show would just Blow me Away.
With DW's sales of $65 Million, Roland buying them for the like amount of $65 Million, in business transactions, seems very Cheap. That is true indicator that DW ( Iw as surprised to learn that DW owns Slingerland & Gretch ] is in "trouble". FWIW, I currently own a PDP Concept Maple 6 Drum Kit that I was able to purchase USED for $480 (a 6 Drum kit where I added the 8 inch Rack Tom for $175 later) which was completely addordable and was a big step up from my cheapo Gammon kit that I got for Xmas in 2018 - from all people, my wife of 45 years! IMHO, being able to play an Instrument, any instrument is a true pleasure in your lifetime.
Thanks a lot for the news, and breaking down that extensive document.
In answer to your comment about Gretsch Drums in the video description, the Gretsch family does indeed own Gretsch Drums. DW just owns the sales and distribution rights for the USA Drums while Hal Leonard owns the rights for the imported Gretsch drums (Renown, Catalina, Energy)
I agree 100%. I am the proud owner of a PDP kit that looks and sounds awesome so like you, I was really hyped about DW putting out world class electronic kits to compete. I would love to have a solid electronic kit for my practice space.
Thank you for the update, Justin! A very interesting deal!
Great analysis. Cant wait to see the first offerings!
As always Great and thoughtful reviews !
I believe DW had a lot of debt to service,
As well as the founders at retirement age.
They could probably use some innovative designs for stands and mounts on the ekits.
FYI- DW had previously announced a partnership with European distributor, GEWA to produce the DWe line of electronic drums, which followed a similar acoustic shells/electronic internals concept as Roland's VAD. However, despite prototypes and mock-ups being announced at the 2018 Frankfurt Musikmesse show, the project never fully materialized for a commercial release.
Seriously terrific video. And great job putting this video up insanely quick after the news! Did you stay up all night working on this?
I had no idea DW was working on hybrid drums. That's really interesting. I agree with your opinion. I can't help but feel somewhat robbed! Roland scooped up this innovation and gets to slap their name on it and charge whatever they want for it without competition. A bummer for drummer's on a budget.
I really enjoyed that video thank you! One factor you have to add in is the times we are living in. Companies merge and become even better. I think this is a complete game changing moment in the drum industry. And a very positive one with many new products yet to be seen!!!
Agreed that companies merge - that is the nature of capitalism. But better? Empirical evidence suggests otherwise.
Roland taking out the possible competition then. That’s nice. I have my Alesis SE kit that am still extremely happy with, so I’m good!
See as a negative, especially for acoustic-only drummers. Wonder if DW (and it's owned companies) were struggling. Less competition is NEVER good for the consumer in the end. Usually existing management is gone in no time. Guess we can ever forget seeing those Slingerland Radio King re-issue snares/kits.
@Derek xPaPaDx Frampton I agree.
It's not really less competition if they never realesed anything. Who knows, maybe they're going broke specifically because of their foray into EDrums. Roland could have seen something worth saving. I was hating on them for a little while but I'm really into the Juno X and Fantom 0 series. The TD50 X is cool too.
How could DW and that brand group sell themselves for 65 million? Don't they have pride of their own ideas, work, their name and history?
@@tobytoxd Not to be negative, but--in the end, for most people--it always comes down to money.
@@tobytoxd They're keeping a lot of the employees
I totally agree with you Justin. Competition breeds inovation and drives companies to get better. :)
I’m happy for Roland, amazing 🎯, I love Roland, the best on the market
Very good presented and interresting things and thoughts. Good job! Can't wait for the next video, keep on going!
The soundquality of your videos is great, I like that very much. Have thought about a podcast?
Major change! Looking forward to see what happens going forward and how it might affect the Electronic Drum space
Great overview!! Thanks for the vid.
Thanks Hisham!
Great Analysis/Video, big thanks for your work!!! I am completely shocked that DW will be sold...... thats really sad to my mind!
I think that it’s a good move by Roland! Why? Because Roland will have access to the different acoustic drum finishes that DW makes….and also the acoustic sizes (8” & 16” toms and different sized acoustic snares. Before I brought my VAD 706 kit, I was looking at purchasing a kit from Drum-Tec. They have the sizes of drums and a lot of different finishes that I like. The price of the drums, taxes, shipping and custom taxes were more than purchasing the VAD 706 kit…..and if I need parts or warranty repair, I have to ship the drums back to Germany. So for me, I’m excited about the future of Roland/DW! I can’t wait to see what the new flagship kit is going to look like!!!
A good acquisition for Roland; which gains them popular, high quality, world-renowned product brands. As for the customer, the drummer, the musician there will be economy of effort under the group brand but I can’t see them creating cheaper, in any sense, products. In their favour I can say my 10-year old Roland kit is robust and effective in what it was designed to, and is in daily use to this day. That marque of quality can never be underestimated but is always under pressure from rivals, newer technologies and musical developments.
economy of effort lmao for the customer, the drummer, the musician, roland can keep on enjoying its monopoly. nothing more
Excellent video Justin, as always, thanks for the breakdown.
No doubt a good thing for Roland.
For the customers, I think we will continue to have excellent quality products by Roland, but at a even higher price....
I am still happy with Pearl Mimic + Pearl Drums. :)
Roland purchasing DW does not surprise me. The Japanese are in the habit of investing in the future. I used to be a committed Ludwig man, but right now I enjoy playing live with a great set of Tama"s or the Yamaha's both excellent drum kits. T Y S.R.PURDY 🥁 GOD BLESS
I agree with your take man.. I think it’ll mean prices will also go up and no way to look elsewhere 😬
GEWA (the German distribution company) sold their "majority share" of DW to Roland and the rest of the shareholders went along with it. DW went millions upon millions in debt with their Chinese PDP products. This majority owner of this Chinese factory is GEWA. A few years ago DW went up for sale but there were no takers due to the massive debt. GEWA was given a majority of DW shares in exchange for reducing that debt. At that moment GEWA, a German company, became the primary owner of DW. Over the last few years, GEWA (or DW, or both) have not been unable to turn around from their massive losses. Probably COVID-19 was the "nail in the coffin". Roland is a far bigger company, and profitable, so when the opportunity presented itself GEWA/DW sold their shares and now it's up to Roland to try and turn it around. Good luck to Roland.
Roland has essentially acquired GEWA technology.
It's great for drummers, and great for acoustic drummers. It will create a VAD drumset with lighter, high quality shells, with high quality hardware, at less manufacturing cost to Roland.
So it will be interesting to see, what will happen to the Gewa G9 Series. They are one of the few competitors in the high-end-range. But these Kits were a collaboration of GEWA and DW (as far as I know). Hopefully they will stay on the market.
All seems correct however I seriously doubt anything PDP ‘caused them to go into debt.’ Those drums sold aplenty! NOT something that’d make DW go into debt. PDP is the middle-of-the-road version for DW. So….there’s that.
@@ChrisBealsNashville DW went millions upon millions in debt and that's why they were bought out. Giving away tons of expensive American made kits to artists to try and convince the masses to buy the cheap Chinese drums was a huge loss. They may have sold a lot of pdp, but $100 profit per drum kit wasn't enough to pay for their lavish expenses. They went down the well-beaten path of corporate America, moving most of their production to China while pretending to still be American-made. They lost.
good research, thanx
I believe you are correct on the competition aspect but one other consideration is the benefit of Roland acquiring the tech developed by DW and then using their superior manufacturing capabilities in the e drum space to accelerate the introduction of DW's tech to the market.
I agree with you Justin, more competition means more innovation at competitive prices.
Great video, with an understanding of the business of the drum market. I’m a bit surprised that acoustic drums still have such a significant slice of the pie. I would have thought eDrums would be growing faster than acoustic, but I guess not. Kids love to bang on acoustic drums, and parents buy them, unaware how loud it’ll be at home.
I think they will use proper recorded dw drum sounds in their next new flagship module, to compete better with the mimic pro. There will be production cost savings on hardware. Plus I think it will convince a few more die hard acoustic only players to make the switch to electric. Production cost savings on shells too. All wins for Roland.
I was wondering if he was going to bring up Pearl (Mimic) as a competitor for Roland's High End Lines.
@@randyking4656 I'm surprised he didn't as well
I think why he didn’t is because Pearl Mimic Pro is just a module only system that can work with most pads and Pearl failed to follow up with a full size acoustic electronic kit
"proper recorded dw drum sounds", I'm sorry, I couldn't help but laugh at this. DW's drums sound bland, and so do Roland's onboard samples. If this did happen, it'd even out to break absolutely zero ground.
@@jareddoran6605 you want to say that to toontrack cause they use them lol
❤ thank you
Wow. I have been waiting for DW to revamp Slingerland, and they go off and get bought out! From a business standpoint, I figured it is difficult surviving selling an average kit for 3-5k. This is not to knock DW drums, as John Good and the team have seemed to explore every type of wood and ply imaginable. Maybe Roland's knowledge and pocketbook will help expand DW's current technology and the electronic drum market. However, I think I will be waiting on those Radio Kings for a long time. I always enjoy the channel. Please keep the great content!
Very well informed video Justin.
I don't know what's going to happen with this deal. They might start producing VAD drums with DW/PDP shells and hardware. They might also start producing electronic congas and bongos haha!
But seriously, I hope they will come up with a new category of products that won't necessarily affect the current product lines and their pricing, especially for Roland e-kits. That would be a shame to see a rise in price for e-kits like the TD-17 or TD-27 for instance, as they have absolutely no wood shells on them.
Thank you for this important breaking news
This is gonna be huge !
Thanks!
Hey justin, love your channel. Not even much of a drummer…. I think you nailed it with your assessment. I’m interested to see what the future brings!
Wind instruments and e-drums are seen as the same thing at Roland, because they basically are: A controller unit hooked up with a tone generator module. 😊
I agree with your perspective on this Justin...
If it was just about removing competition, a company the size of Roland would likely have just bought Pearl (to get the Mimic) or Gewa (to get the G-series tech). DW must have been working on something ground-breaking. Those of us with long memories would recall DW’s electronic pad for Terry Bozzio that happened after the Missing Persons “Rhyme and Reason” tour of the mid 1980s. Terry’s kit for that tour…folks, THAT was an electronic kit. Search for “Give” by Missing Persons and you’ll see his mock-up that became a real kit. December 1985 Modern Drummer has a full run down on it.
You’re right. Competition is healthy. It breeds innovation. Roland definitely needs some more competition
Excellent video. Very well thought out and presented. I'm generally very pro-competition in the marketplace, so I can't help but view this acquisition as an inherent negative. I totally understand the motivation to put $65 mil in your pocket (if you happen to be an OG DW exec), but I have to think the company was doing pretty well anyway and over time there's a good chance that this reconfiguration will diminish DWs reputation in some respects.
Good for Roland bad for competition and in the end the consumer.
Roland makes great stuff and I used their Module/Cymbals to complete a A2E as their hybrids are so expensive, it was way cheaper to make my own with a lot more pads/cymbals.
I also had to go with SD3 to complete the set up as Roland's sounds are not great.
roland: we control the vertical and the horizontal
Great work on this vid.
Magnifico.
Wow, I did not see that coming. The way DW had been gobbling up companies I would have thought the price would have been higher and also didn't know Roland was that much bigger of a company than DW to afford that kind of buy-out.
I like both companies separately and have gear from them both, but got to say my initial gut instinct does not feel good about this. I too would like to see Roland get more of a challenge especially when it comes to prices. (But DW are extremely pricey as well)
Hopefully this will benefit us down the road with some amazing innovations and Roland continues to raise the bar. Also concerned for the employees in the US.
I hope the FTC and other world regulators take a good hard look at this deal.
Roland is MASSIVELY bigger! Tama, Yamaha sell way more drums than DW and are both arguably better acoustic drums in DW but what electronic drum companies better than Roland? And keep in mind Roland electronic drums I'm sure are not even the biggest asset of Roland as a company. I wouldn't be surprised if Roland had 10 times the sales that DW had maybe even 20 times.
@@williamperri3437 I was very surprised that this category was almost 1/4 of Roland total sales. I would have expected the synths/keys and effect pads to VASTLY outsell edrums. I mean, combined they do. Yet I wouldn't have expected any number over 10% for the edrum bracket.
But I'm also getting the feeling that they made that group like they did, because especially the e-percussion market is basically just them, and they're way more accepted and used than full on kits. Pure speculation though.
@@fonkbadonk5370 close to 25% is huge considering all things.
Roland makes a lot more than edrums. They make pianos, synths, pro audio equipment, dj gear, and guitar pedals (under the brand name BOSS). I can see Roland being a bigger company than DW.
Hey Justin,
huge fan of your vids..I like how detailed your vids are…..I was wondering if you could do a video abt the differences between Roland hi hat equipment, namely the
1. FD1 - which is offered in all base variants…
2. FD9 - offered in TD-07KX and upwards..
3. VH10 - offered in TD-07KVX and upwards….
there seems to be no reviews on this subject, is th FD9 really that much different from the FD1?….is it worth the upgrade?
Is the VH10 on a TD07 module good?…..considering the TD07 module is a limited base module…
The place where I live doesn’t have any test kits at the store, confused about the different TD07 models….my budget would cover th KVX version, the size of the pads don’t matter to me, the kick drum too(thinking of using the footblaster kickpad with triggers)…..so it comes down to the hihats….
very interesting!
This is bad for someone like me who owns a DW kit because I don’t know if they will bring back Slingerland…. I was really hoping they would….
Thanks
Any good Black Friday deals your aware of coming up In November you’d recommend? Pro Sets?
DW samples into the module. Maybe produce hybrid kits under the Slingerland and/or Gretsch Badges
Compared to other businesses and given the strong brand name of DW, I was a got shocked at “only” 65 million. But I guess this market is what it is.
I agree with your take on it. It’d be great to have a good competitor with quality vs Roland sound modeling approach.
It's all about the money, import/export taxes, cost of manufacturing, etc. I hope it works well for the consumers, but we'll have to wait and see. The world is in deep trouble, and perhaps a good time for "some" to take the money and run. Good report Sir! Peace and Blessings.
🔥❤🔥❤WE LOVE ROLAND! WE LOVE ❤❤❤DW DRUMS 🤯❤
Smart buy for Roland as Hybrid is the future.
This is huge thanks for the information, Roland is a monster in the e drum world DW is supreme the future looks bright.
Gewa allready works with DW. Could it be that Roland was afraid with their development in the future, and therefore bought DW?
Maybe they already made an electronic drum kit with their drums but they weren’t the best sounding
@@1mikeburns that’s true, but the display look from the gewa module, can Roland make a huge leap for their modules.
Agreed about more competition
Wow that's cool!
Totally agree with you. I guess we'll see, but it almost sounds like DW was going to come out with something to compete with Roland, with technology that Roland doesn't have, so they just bought the whole company. I have both DW and Roland drums and love them both, but I'm not sure about the idea of them becoming one company. Only time will tell. Thanks for the update on this.
Holy moly !
Hi, talk about irrelevant and late(me, not you). I'm just catching up on all your videos. Awesome job, all around! Thanks. I saw one of your 5 yr old videos on guitar effects through the e drums. I remember an oldie but a goodie called 'you don't love me' on Super Session(yes, an album,vinyl even). Anyways, they Flanges that tune and it turned our Great.imo. what other songs do you or your readers/ listeners/ eye ballers recommend. Keep up the Excellent Work!
Is there any specific bags to pack the Roland VAD 706,cuz it would really help me to move around easily ,plz do share if any !?
Like you said, a win win win. It's not like they're restructuring DW, they're essentially collaborating with them and sharing profits.
It's good you mentioned Yamaha's electronic drums. i think they are of the highest quality , especially the acoustic drums. they will always be solid competition to roland electronic drums.
Is Slingerland still around ? i thought they went extinct.
Great post Justin. From what little info I can pull up on DW being a private Co, They may have been in financial trouble. DW went on a massive acquisition binge. Then Covid happened. Show's they Got a $1.5 mill ppp loan (Covid) from the Govt. Had about 34 mill in sales. As someone else pointed out, the deal with GEWA to develop a module to rival Roland/Pearl/Yamaha didn't work out. My biggest fear is for the folks at Gretsch. Will they wind up like Premier or hang on like Ludwig (Which went through some bad management in the past). Big win for Roland. $65 million for all those brands ? I think Nicolas Cage spent more on Hollywood mansions lol. Clearly Roland is trying to take on the Big Kahuna in Japan, Yamaha Corp 😀
I don't have any skin in this game since I cannot justify the cost of either DW drums or Roland. I have owned mid-high end Tama kits and my current "low end" Ludwig. Good heads and tuning make me happy to save lots of money. I was interested to see what would happen when DW bought Gretsch Drums and Slingerland - great old brands. I don't buy into the DW hype/cost, but I've also never played them outside of a music store, which is never ideal. Interesting development, and great breakdown. Love your channel!
I had a Gretsch Catalina Club that sounded fantastic. I always say do a blind test with similar heads and tuning and you won't tell the difference from a budget kit and a high end kit. Of course, the snobs challenged that notion. In the end it all comes down to marketing and hype.
DW is really good when it comes to random hardware pieces, such as their dogbone stuff, and their bass drum hoop L rod clamp. When it comes to drums, you'd be better off with Ludwig, Mapex, or a small company like WFLIII, or INDe. And for stands/rack systems, you'd be better off with PDP or Gibraltar
Reading the comments, I think people are overly pessimistic about this. It’s impossible to know beforehand what Roland will do with this, but I do find it hard to believe they are just going to swallow up DW. There is a considerable user base including a lot of pros who use DW kits. Roland are probably interested in that secret electronic project at DW, but also in their acoustic know-how. (They’ve only just started out themselves with the VAR product line). The auxiliary hardware don’t hurt either.
There are lots of examples where smaller brands are bought but still are allowed to continue their business as usual, only with added benefits from synergy. Not every buy is destructive.
That said, of course it could end badly in numerous ways. I just don’t see why we should assume it.
I wonder how it will play out for the design. It would be nice to have DW quality with Rolands tech included to build the ultimate hybrid. Or will it be Roland slapping there logo on what DW solely created and Dw will benefit from Rolands marketing and Sales backing it. Tons of potential… if there were two companies to go next level it would deff be these two. 🥇🥇
Roland is the Intel of electronic percussion!
We need us an AMD
I am more interested to see if this means the end of GEWA drums? They were getting better and better at the modules. And with real samples vs COSM modelling.
I'm hoping this leads to improved sounds in the Roland's modules
I bought all DW hardware for my VAD506.
I'll get excited when brushes is fully supported
But, if you play with brushes most of the time, why not just play a regular acoustic drum set?
@@65Drums I'm getting my fingers wet with brushes, love to get a acoustic kit but no room
There are a handful of major electric guitar companies, same with acoustic guitars.
There are so many major drum companies, way more main brands than any other instrument. Electronic drums have long been just 2 main companies.. Roland & Yamaha.
Roland has been the highest selling drum kit company for near 20 years.
Thank you for this informative video. I am not a drummer and don't keep up with every little thing going on in the edrum world. That said, I do perform with a band who's drummer uses a hybrid drum kit (BTW, by my insistence because too loud is not good). He is a real trooper and we have done the best we can to make it work without destroying his fun level. If I am correct, is it DW that was just bringing a wireless triggered hybrid kit to market? Could this be one of the reasons that Roland purchased DW? I watched your video from 2016 regarding versatriggers (now defunct). In my estimation, wireless triggers are the future. It's too bad that the mechanics behind drum triggers are so sketchy and frankly difficult to deal with. I'm looking forward to the future when it becomes a simple reality. I am not looking forward to Roland dominating the market. They charge way too much money for their products!
I’m shocked!!! Not surprised tho
I am waiting on the next rollout of drum machines from Roland. Does anyone know when they might come out.
Personally I think this could be a great shame, given that DW were working on eDrum tech that clearly was of some concern to Roland in terms of potential competition. Given that Roland kit is generally overpriced, and their sounds don't meet the needs of hybrid drummers in that even a budget acoustic kit sounds a million times better than a Roland flagship. Hopefully they don't ruin whatever DW have been working on.
Over priced and their cymbals are junk. I've had 2 that only lasted 6 months. And the bell don't work anymore on my ride thats 2 yrs old. The set has less than 30 hrs it.
ATV 🔥
@@JesusLordOfLords455 Not if you care about customer support, product longevity, product improvement or future development. I've had an AD5 kit for 4 years. We still don't have the expansion module ATV promised, there haven't been any software updates in years to fix the bugs in the module, there are daft omissions like rim zone compatibility on the toms (a limitation of the module itself, not the artist-series drums) and their customer support doesn't seem
to exist, the company is unresponsive to any enquiries.
Maybe they went broke trying to overtake or compete with Roland. If it was truly a threat, they wouldn't sell their company. Roland's modules are great, just don't rely on presets to sound good. I think their acquisition of DW will remedy their stock sound and hardware problems. Owning an American drum company with all of their manufacturing and distribution locations is exactly what Roland needs. I think we'll be okay. There's probably some really cool stuff right around the corner.
You ain't see "overpriced" until you price DW shell kits.
Oh, man. Gretsch AND Slingerland.
Thank you for the breakdown. I just have a question on the price. It’s not possible that DW sold for only $65,000,000 being that their annual sales volume is $65,000,000. Do we know the total sales price that Roland is paying including any stock, etc? FYI I’m an acoustic drummer and don’t see this as a good thing for The DW line of drums. We’ve seen so many family owned drum makers sell to large corporations and it almost always results in mass produced mediocre drums. We shall see if that happens here. Thanks again
DW drums have been overpriced for so long. I don't even think that their quality warrants their prices. I love their hardware though.
@@arbogast4950 I agree about hardware and price. But their drums are made very well but there are too many other options that are better for the money. Funny thing is that DW owns two of them now, Gretsch and PDP
@@eddieavakian I'm saving up for a Sonor Vintage Series, but for now I have a new Mapex Saturn and I love it. I'm impressed by what PDP and Gretsch have put out lately as well. There's never been a better time for mid level, affordable drums.
DW annual sales $65million, that would have to be gross, the net figure after all taxes, manufacturing & marketing costs would be significantly less than $65million
@@SydneyDrums I understand but businesses usually sell as multiple of gross sales. If DW sold its entire business for only 1 x gross, I’d be surprised especially if they have recently developed some ground breaking technology. Anyway just curious.
Versatrigger sent me a replacement trigger and the return address was Drum Workshop. 2 months later, Versatrigger was no more. I think the future is gonna be a kit with DW hardware and wireless triggers with integrated microprocessor a la digital snare but wireless for use with VSTs.
Good point, wireless triggers would be a great next step as, man these edrums have one heck of a lot of cabling.
@@seanwalsh999 I’m still using the Versatriggers (until they stop working because I can’t get replacements) and the only cable I have is from the Roland HiHat pedal to the hihat pad. It’s great! I even removed the circuit boards and crammed them into Yamaha cymbal pads.
@@bucknaked31 So what you are saying is that it looks like Roland is going wireless? Interesting, that would make it easier for gigging edrumers to set up and tear down.
Was about to buy Roland VAD506. Should I wait now to se what happens?
R.I.P. DW! Without competition creates complacency!
This may be huge.
It would be nice to see a line of marching percussiont
Hopefully, *hopefully*, this’ll allow both DW and Roland’s products to be both compatible and cheaper. I doubt it though
Worked for Rush.
Hopefully DW has been working on some better looking V-cymbals than Roland has
Yes, I agree that Roland saw this as a way to take out a potential competitor and keep their prices high. When the company that makes the most expensive electronic drums buys the company that makes the most expensive acoustic drums, it's a win for their stock holders and not necessarily the average drummer.
I've always been a fan of Roland keyboards and electronic drums, but chose the Alesis Strike SE Pro for my latest electronic drums because Roland was getting too expensive for what I wanted. On the acoustic side, I favor Pearl, Tama, and Ludwig because DW was just too expensive.
Pearl and Tama are just as overpriced as DW, and none of those three are as overpriced as Sonor. If you're looking for reasonably priced, you'd be better off with Ludwig or Mapex. Or better yet, small companies that aren't incredibly hyped up, such as WFLIII or INDe.
Dam thats huge!
This is certainly I think a extension from what Neil started . The professor was always looking for the next thing for the sound he had in his mind . Roland heads in acoustic DW shells should somehow be named after Neil . It seems as tho it was started with his brain storm . PeartRoland
Still missing the man …. So well spoken ,full of many stories, bags full of information on life and the world ……RIP