Thanks for the feedback. We have owned the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S for more than a year now and still love it. The sound system is great, but I am not sure what the complaints he mentioned owners talked about. However, I mostly listen to podcasts anyway, but occasionally I will listen to music and that sounds find. Unfortnately, the infotainment system continues to be hit or miss and easily one the most biggest frustrations of the vehicle I love. Again, thanks, and God bless,
Kyle, I’d love to see a total cost of ownership discussion for all of these cars. When I was evaluating my purchase, the ID.4 had substantially lower cost insurance (even vs.Tesla insurance), parts costs, service network and repair costs (battery cost in particular) and when you do this evaluation, I think the ID.4 is a total winner.
Considering the staggered wheel setup involves different rear and front tire sizes, does this affect the cost for tires since tire rotations cannot be performed?
@@olemissjim sorry, made a confusing post in a rush. The INSURANCE was less than half the price of 3/Y. We have 4 cars and paid $433 a month for 4 months to cover for 6 months. When we got rid of the 2009 GTI for the 2023 ID.4 pro RWD insurance went up to $453 a month for 4 months to cover 6 months. The Model 3 would increase to $630ish a month. If I moved to Tesla insurance I don’t get a multi car and home insurance discount like I get now so it wasn’t a huge savings for a 3 on their insurance. Hope this clarifies.
2024 Ioniq 5 is also a great option in this category. I gave up waiting for the ID.4 and bought a Limited trim and love it. Super fun to drive, very fast charging and amazing regen braking controls!
As an owner of a 2022 Pro S RWD, I am very happy with the car. I road trip it mostly 18 months in and 60k miles. My car has the LG battery and I have gotten 175kw speeds. But the best feature is the driver assist.
Up here in Canada, we got a heat pump, then they stopped offering it, and now the heat pump is back. Could you guys find out if this is a newly designed heat pump?
Picked my new AWD Pro S ID4 on June 27 and it started acting 2 days later. The synopsis are as followed. No connection, location on the map is erratic, contently looking for its position as you are driving however, this is not the worst. I was driving uneventfully on the motor way and all of the sudden, the active cruse control slammed the brakes with the following message. Approaching an intersection. The car behind me almost rear ended us. I had to de activate all driving safety feature to prevent reoccurrence. Did any one else had similar experience?
Well Kyle thanks for the info. I leased a 2023 id4 pro s for the 200+ range. I use it daily for LUbering(ride share). The riders love car for room and looks. They will stand and look before entering and instantly give accolades for the car. O did I say 25k miles in 5 months including a trip Ok Texas and back to Tracy, Ca. (95376) I just upgrade of infotainment was available. Thanks again. Love you show.
thx Phranzy et KC...........would you know if the SW overhaul would be shared with the Audi Q4? pre conditioning, route planning, plug & charge? assume plug & charge is with EA in the US, hopefully with EC in Canada!
To clarify, there is no mystery regarding the 2023 ID.4 battery source. All 2023 AWD ID.4's are supplied with SK batteries. All 2023 RWD ID.4's are supplied with LG batteries..
It looks like a great update for the vehicle. However, I love my 21 1st Edition and plan on driving it for a long time. It's a great car for tooling around the city and while not the fastest charging in the land it totally adequate to road trip when needed. In April, I'm going out to see the eclipse in Illinois from DC. I agree with Kyle about the travel assist, it just works.
@@olemissjim that’s not been my experience so far or in my research. YMMV but I think everyone should form their own opinions based on their own experiences
When we were first researching EVs, we watched quite a few RUclips videos and learned a lot about the ID4 from Out Of Spec, Kyle and Branden Flasch. So, when we ordered ours, checked every box (except AWD) and absolutely love our 2021 ID4. Just drove it earlier and Kyle's right, it's a welcoming feeling getting in and driving it and really feels like "coming home" from driving our Teslas. Despite all the hate for it online, it really is ust a really solid car overall. Great podcast and video. Thank you...
Do you know if there is a hardware change or is it only software (infotainment)? If software, can older ID4s get the update? If it is Hardware (probably so for 21 & 22 at least based on previous OTA updates), then this might explain why they did not change lower trim. Probably trying to get rid of older hardware supply. Only a guess but probably better short term to sell rather than write off the loss. Long term with CX, who knows.
Kyle: is one of the possible problems with why they didn't update the small battery version is a combination of parts availability, parts inventory and desire to keep a low-cost "base" model?
This podcast just rolling like a well oiled machine. Great host and Experts as always with the on the money information of the EV Industry, must respect.
As an almost owner of a 2022 ID.4 (pre ordered then cancelled), and actual owner of a 2022 EV6 (effectively stumbled into one two years ago), I'm not sure why any EV these days isn't built with an 800V architechture that offers extremely fast DC charging - when you can find it...
They've committed to charging at Tesla v3 Superchargers (like all other non-Teslas) sometime in 2025. You'll get an adapter. VWs will start installing NACS ports in their cars sometime next year as well.
And in Canada we get 4 years EC free 30 minute charging, not that is a plus as we have far fewer and even less reliable EC charges than its parent company EA
Welcome to the team, Fur-antsy! 😊 Great discussion. To me, it seems likely they're just updating the more expensive model first as a classic upselling technique. Are aftermarket sound systems or upgrades a good option for ID4 owners?
I would imagine it's a marketing and production decision to not update the small battery cars. The people who don't opt for the bigger battery are more likely to be either familiar with EVs or planning to use it for lower ranges. These groups might be, for different reasons, hesitant to spend a lot of money on a new car, so they're keen to keep the starting MSRP under $40k. And either way, they need to get people in the door first. These seem like substantial enough changes that even if the components and software aren't that much more cost, it might still take time to rejigger things that would introduce cost in other ways. Maybe? lol
yes. they have problems with the machines making the stator. my guess is, that they use the new hairpin winding for the stator and for that you need special new machines. somehow these machines do not work the right way anymore at the promised speed. that means production capacity is in the area of 25% of the intended production speed - which sucks. i hope they get this sorted out because the app550 turns out to be really good.
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I have Owned 8 VW ID-4 And. Now. We Owe Qty 2. VW ID-4 Pro S RWD. Both 2023’s. Excellent EV. And Kyle!! I WOULD NEVER BUY A TESLA especially I am a Retired VW/Audi Representative 37 years
You hit the nail with pricing. Yes, VW NEEDS to come down with their pricing. Especially with the new Volvo EX30 coming with their $35k car. Which I am considering when they're available. I currently have a 2023 ID4 Pro S AWD. It's great but there are some little annoying things. Software hasn't given me any problems but I do hate the interface to dig for what I need. I hate the unlit sliders for HVAC. AND having to tap my profile each and every time I start the car. The mobile app is terrible. Not enough options you can control. Can't even lock/unlock the car from the app. And there hasn't been ONE update on the software since I've owned it which is 15mo now. On a positive note, the car is awesome as far as ride and comfort.
Kyle: apparently we are opposites. I hate sitting low & fell out of a loaner M3. ID4 is now out of consideration as I don’t want to sit any lower than MY. As you said, it is very personal.
He probably meant "sit low" for his comfort level. The actual ride height of the ID.4 sits moderately high for a non-pickup EV, higher than the Ioniq 5
I own a prior version of this car and intended to get another in November. That was until i tried to get the recall work and a state inspection done at aVW dealer. They wouldn't touch the car. After four years or close to it VW still has not trained VW techs to work on this vehicle in all dealerships. And when i called VW they offered no help whatsoever. They could care less about the customer. When i expressed to them that i could no longer take delivery of the 2024 they just didn't care. If a customer can't even get recalls done then why would anyone buy from Volkswagen? I'm done with them. EV service even with Tesla is far from ideal and when you can get work done the process is long and infuriating. I'm going back to a gas guzzling polluting car.
Lease really is the option in 2024 for any car with a CCS charging port. Use it, try it out and if you like it, give it back and buy the NACS one at the end of your lease. By the time your lease it up almost all EVs will have NACS in the US.
@@jacobfoster3021 Yeah, I expect it's going to be a mess for a decade or more. Government might say it has to have both on all stands. The folks who regulate gas stations now may have to step in and test chargers also to make sure they work and are up to spec.
Also, VW has informed buyers that the HVAC is currently being replaced by resistive heating again do to shortages. That also is s reason not to buy this car. How are every other EV manufacturers managing HVAC with no problems. Sorry, VW just isn't in the game. The no hands driving only lasts for ten seconds with hands off the wheel. I'm not sure your assessments are fair if you compare to others in this price range.
Kyle, you seem to gloss over this point every time: the Blazer and Equinox do not offer Car Play. I (and I believe many other) Apple fanboys would never even consider an EV that does not have wireless Car Play.
😂I’ll STILL PASS!! Especially where I live, I could walk to my local dealership but have NEVER, EVER seen a base model on the lot just the more expensive than a Model Y version.
Notice how VW didn’t mention software updates at all in the media kit? Is it because they’ve stopped development on QNX that this model is based on and moved to Android Automotive? I dunno better check what Porsche is doing since that’s how it trickles down. Most people saying they are happy with their iD4 are really from very old and very simple cars from 2016 or prior. If you are coming from a newer car from 2017 on iD4 is an unsorted abomination.
Well, I have a 2023 ID.4 and Model Y and the ID.4 does ride about ten times better than the Model Y, which, when you think about it, is actually pretty important.
❤😊 I'm amazed at this man's enthusiasm. I did drive the ID for 4 mmm I have to say I was rather underwhelmed.. but then I drive a BMW i 3S is just so exciting and a completely fun dynamics completely different experience and bespoke electric with a frank massive nose bonnet no. frunk 😮 I thought it was a spongy large SUV blob bit slow bit boring.. on the other hand, I guess that's what people buy 😮
Disagree about the thoughts about model Y, and it’s unfortunate that people let their personal thoughts get in the way of making a great purchase for their families model Y is the safest, best electric vehicle for the money that you can buy. One of the best sound systems in the price category is in a model Y. Reliability matters also and just general ownership is a no-brainer.
It is not, in fact the North America version qualifies for the $7500 tax credit and it's one of the best value for money offerings on the entire market across the globe. Better in many aspects than the now totally outdated Model Y
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Thanks for the feedback. We have owned the 2023 VW ID.4 Pro S for more than a year now and still love it. The sound system is great, but I am not sure what the complaints he mentioned owners talked about. However, I mostly listen to podcasts anyway, but occasionally I will listen to music and that sounds find. Unfortnately, the infotainment system continues to be hit or miss and easily one the most biggest frustrations of the vehicle I love. Again, thanks, and God bless,
Kyle, I’d love to see a total cost of ownership discussion for all of these cars. When I was evaluating my purchase, the ID.4 had substantially lower cost insurance (even vs.Tesla insurance), parts costs, service network and repair costs (battery cost in particular) and when you do this evaluation, I think the ID.4 is a total winner.
Considering the staggered wheel setup involves different rear and front tire sizes, does this affect the cost for tires since tire rotations cannot be performed?
The iD4 insurance is more than a model 3 or y
@@olemissjim I own an ID.4.and insurance was less than half the price of the 3 or Y
@@PANAFRAZER post the out the door price then. Did you pay MSRP?
@@olemissjim sorry, made a confusing post in a rush. The INSURANCE was less than half the price of 3/Y. We have 4 cars and paid $433 a month for 4 months to cover for 6 months. When we got rid of the 2009 GTI for the 2023 ID.4 pro RWD insurance went up to $453 a month for 4 months to cover 6 months. The Model 3 would increase to $630ish a month. If I moved to Tesla insurance I don’t get a multi car and home insurance discount like I get now so it wasn’t a huge savings for a 3 on their insurance. Hope this clarifies.
2024 Ioniq 5 is also a great option in this category. I gave up waiting for the ID.4 and bought a Limited trim and love it. Super fun to drive, very fast charging and amazing regen braking controls!
As an owner of a 2022 Pro S RWD, I am very happy with the car. I road trip it mostly 18 months in and 60k miles. My car has the LG battery and I have gotten 175kw speeds. But the best feature is the driver assist.
Does the driver assist function at city speeds, or is it limited to highway speeds only?
@@SFzip all speeds including city streets.
Ditto work slow and fast.
Any word on when/if the 2023 ID.4 is going to get any of the updated software?
Safe ta assume it won’t be “ over th air”
Love the time stamps!
Im happy VW took mote and made the major improvements as needed
Up here in Canada, we got a heat pump, then they stopped offering it, and now the heat pump is back. Could you guys find out if this is a newly designed heat pump?
Picked my new AWD Pro S ID4 on June 27 and it started acting 2 days later. The synopsis are as followed. No connection, location on the map is erratic, contently looking for its position as you are driving however, this is not the worst. I was driving uneventfully on the motor way and all of the sudden, the active cruse control slammed the brakes with the following message. Approaching an intersection. The car behind me almost rear ended us. I had to de activate all driving safety feature to prevent reoccurrence. Did any one else had similar experience?
Well Kyle thanks for the info. I leased a 2023 id4 pro s for the 200+ range. I use it daily for LUbering(ride share). The riders love car for room and looks. They will stand and look before entering and instantly give accolades for the car. O did I say 25k miles in 5 months including a trip Ok Texas and back to Tracy, Ca. (95376) I just upgrade of infotainment was available. Thanks again. Love you show.
Francie: If I get hired by Out of Specs, they’ll give me an EV vehicle to drive for free!
Kyle: Here’s your Vinfast. Have fun! 😂😂😂
Here in Canada, I just priced a ID.4 AWD Pro S and with the Fed and provicial rebates same price as our Tesla Model Y AWD long range
Similar barely
Cheers Francie and Kyle
The ID4 has an analogue audio system starting with the amplifier. So in theory it can be upgraded with aftermarket parts.
thx Phranzy et KC...........would you know if the SW overhaul would be shared with the Audi Q4? pre conditioning, route planning, plug & charge? assume plug & charge is with EA in the US, hopefully with EC in Canada!
To clarify, there is no mystery regarding the 2023 ID.4 battery source. All 2023 AWD ID.4's are supplied with SK batteries. All 2023 RWD ID.4's are supplied with LG batteries..
Also the european ones? Rwd was catl
how long does battery condition take?
Real good question
It looks like a great update for the vehicle. However, I love my 21 1st Edition and plan on driving it for a long time. It's a great car for tooling around the city and while not the fastest charging in the land it totally adequate to road trip when needed. In April, I'm going out to see the eclipse in Illinois from DC. I agree with Kyle about the travel assist, it just works.
do they finally have an option for a tow hook in the front?
The improvements sound great! Does the 2024 ID4 now have true Over-the-Air updates?
Great stuff as usual!
I picked up my 2023 ID4 last night. Knew that 2024 was going to be much improved but this one is great for me so far!
How much did you pay? The 2023 is horrible once you have to deal with the interface.
@@olemissjim that’s not been my experience so far or in my research. YMMV but I think everyone should form their own opinions based on their own experiences
Great news congratulations
When we were first researching EVs, we watched quite a few RUclips videos and learned a lot about the ID4 from Out Of Spec, Kyle and Branden Flasch. So, when we ordered ours, checked every box (except AWD) and absolutely love our 2021 ID4. Just drove it earlier and Kyle's right, it's a welcoming feeling getting in and driving it and really feels like "coming home" from driving our Teslas. Despite all the hate for it online, it really is ust a really solid car overall. Great podcast and video. Thank you...
Great info as usual!
Can’t wait to see more from VW. Bring us the ID7 Touring!
How did it manage to get the tax credit? Where is the battery from
sk innovation, made in the US. different to european version. regarding the charging performance probably similar.
So does the software work now?
???
Do you know if there is a hardware change or is it only software (infotainment)? If software, can older ID4s get the update? If it is Hardware (probably so for 21 & 22 at least based on previous OTA updates), then this might explain why they did not change lower trim. Probably trying to get rid of older hardware supply. Only a guess but probably better short term to sell rather than write off the loss. Long term with CX, who knows.
Kyle: is one of the possible problems with why they didn't update the small battery version is a combination of parts availability, parts inventory and desire to keep a low-cost "base" model?
Love you guys❤
This podcast just rolling like a well oiled machine. Great host and Experts as always with the on the money information of the EV Industry, must respect.
As an almost owner of a 2022 ID.4 (pre ordered then cancelled), and actual owner of a 2022 EV6 (effectively stumbled into one two years ago), I'm not sure why any EV these days isn't built with an 800V architechture that offers extremely fast DC charging - when you can find it...
800V is not faster from the perspective of the cell. but it saves wiring weight and can reduce thermal losses in the wiring.
We have a 23 AWD Pro S Plus love it. Also have a Tesla model y long range also love that. We use the Tesla as our road tripping vehicle.
Will the ID4 be able to charge at Tesla Superchargers, and if yes then when?
Magic dock?
They've committed to charging at Tesla v3 Superchargers (like all other non-Teslas) sometime in 2025. You'll get an adapter. VWs will start installing NACS ports in their cars sometime next year as well.
Kyle when are you going to get around to driving the Volvo EX30?
Heat pump?
Hopefully VW change the charging port placement. To left back or front right.
Maybe if right hand drive 😊
i think with the new software, screen and the app550 drive train it is a balanced package. without the app550 drive train i would not take it.
And in Canada we get 4 years EC free 30 minute charging, not that is a plus as we have far fewer and even less reliable EC charges than its parent company EA
Welcome to the team, Fur-antsy! 😊 Great discussion. To me, it seems likely they're just updating the more expensive model first as a classic upselling technique. Are aftermarket sound systems or upgrades a good option for ID4 owners?
Francie…..simply stunning…love watching. Thanks for so much great content.
I would imagine it's a marketing and production decision to not update the small battery cars. The people who don't opt for the bigger battery are more likely to be either familiar with EVs or planning to use it for lower ranges. These groups might be, for different reasons, hesitant to spend a lot of money on a new car, so they're keen to keep the starting MSRP under $40k. And either way, they need to get people in the door first. These seem like substantial enough changes that even if the components and software aren't that much more cost, it might still take time to rejigger things that would introduce cost in other ways.
Maybe? lol
When will Hyundai EVs get access to Tesla chargers?
Early 2025, most likely.
Sound system isnt even on my list of important options in a car. The car is to get me from point a to point b and I dont have to go 0-60 at warp speed
Being able to charge it from th sun is amazing
I think they had not enough new motors (production trouble) for all cars to get the update. A bit silly, yes.
yes. they have problems with the machines making the stator. my guess is, that they use the new hairpin winding for the stator and for that you need special new machines. somehow these machines do not work the right way anymore at the promised speed.
that means production capacity is in the area of 25% of the intended production speed - which sucks. i hope they get this sorted out because the app550 turns out to be really good.
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Arrival of id7?
I have Owned 8 VW ID-4 And. Now. We Owe Qty 2. VW ID-4 Pro S RWD. Both 2023’s. Excellent EV. And Kyle!! I WOULD NEVER BUY A TESLA especially I am a Retired VW/Audi Representative 37 years
Well atleast u have recognized ur limiting factor
You hit the nail with pricing. Yes, VW NEEDS to come down with their pricing. Especially with the new Volvo EX30 coming with their $35k car. Which I am considering when they're available. I currently have a 2023 ID4 Pro S AWD. It's great but there are some little annoying things. Software hasn't given me any problems but I do hate the interface to dig for what I need. I hate the unlit sliders for HVAC. AND having to tap my profile each and every time I start the car. The mobile app is terrible. Not enough options you can control. Can't even lock/unlock the car from the app. And there hasn't been ONE update on the software since I've owned it which is 15mo now. On a positive note, the car is awesome as far as ride and comfort.
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Kyle: apparently we are opposites. I hate sitting low & fell out of a loaner M3. ID4 is now out of consideration as I don’t want to sit any lower than MY. As you said, it is very personal.
He probably meant "sit low" for his comfort level. The actual ride height of the ID.4 sits moderately high for a non-pickup EV, higher than the Ioniq 5
I own a prior version of this car and intended to get another in November. That was until i tried to get the recall work and a state inspection done at aVW dealer. They wouldn't touch the car. After four years or close to it VW still has not trained VW techs to work on this vehicle in all dealerships. And when i called VW they offered no help whatsoever. They could care less about the customer. When i expressed to them that i could no longer take delivery of the 2024 they just didn't care. If a customer can't even get recalls done then why would anyone buy from Volkswagen? I'm done with them. EV service even with Tesla is far from ideal and when you can get work done the process is long and infuriating. I'm going back to a gas guzzling polluting car.
Lease really is the option in 2024 for any car with a CCS charging port. Use it, try it out and if you like it, give it back and buy the NACS one at the end of your lease. By the time your lease it up almost all EVs will have NACS in the US.
Smart smart smart
How long until all those chargers with CCS already out there are switched to NACS? Seems like we will be using adapters for a while either way.
@@jacobfoster3021 Yeah, I expect it's going to be a mess for a decade or more. Government might say it has to have both on all stands. The folks who regulate gas stations now may have to step in and test chargers also to make sure they work and are up to spec.
Good afternoon
Damnit! Tricked by the thumbnail again into a talking-head video!
Also, VW has informed buyers that the HVAC is currently being replaced by resistive heating again do to shortages. That also is s reason not to buy this car. How are every other EV manufacturers managing HVAC with no problems. Sorry, VW just isn't in the game. The no hands driving only lasts for ten seconds with hands off the wheel. I'm not sure your assessments are fair if you compare to others in this price range.
Kyle, you seem to gloss over this point every time: the Blazer and Equinox do not offer Car Play. I (and I believe many other) Apple fanboys would never even consider an EV that does not have wireless Car Play.
$$$ - VW won't update the "base" model ID.4 with the new features to convince more people to buy the more expensive trims WITH the update.
😂I’ll STILL PASS!! Especially where I live, I could walk to my local dealership but have NEVER, EVER seen a base model on the lot just the more expensive than a Model Y version.
Notice how VW didn’t mention software updates at all in the media kit? Is it because they’ve stopped development on QNX that this model is based on and moved to Android Automotive? I dunno better check what Porsche is doing since that’s how it trickles down.
Most people saying they are happy with their iD4 are really from very old and very simple cars from 2016 or prior. If you are coming from a newer car from 2017 on iD4 is an unsorted abomination.
It's a nice car, if you forget that the Model Y is better and less expensive.
Not in real life after rebates, at least for 2023 models
Well, I have a 2023 ID.4 and Model Y and the ID.4 does ride about ten times better than the Model Y, which, when you think about it, is actually pretty important.
@@bradytorvik6294and please tell us about the superior turning circle of the ID.4.
❤😊 I'm amazed at this man's enthusiasm. I did drive the ID for 4 mmm
I have to say I was rather underwhelmed.. but then I drive a BMW i 3S is just so exciting and a completely fun dynamics completely different experience and bespoke electric with a frank massive nose bonnet no. frunk 😮
I thought it was a spongy large SUV blob bit slow bit boring.. on the other hand, I guess that's what people buy 😮
Kyle didn't put the ID4 in his top 10 recommended EV video last year, so that shows how he truly feels about it.
did you drive the new version with the app550?
Stolen battery tech or crappy software? Your choice is not good either way.
VW id.4. It’s a terrible name and charging is horrible. It’s clearly engineered to make early adopters move back to gasoline
AND Teslas are ugly and Musk is a jerk.
Disagree about the thoughts about model Y, and it’s unfortunate that people let their personal thoughts get in the way of making a great purchase for their families model Y is the safest, best electric vehicle for the money that you can buy. One of the best sound systems in the price category is in a model Y. Reliability matters also and just general ownership is a no-brainer.
And thank you Robin for addressing the “Tesla, why?”
@@davidroddini1512 my pleasure
No Native NACS charging port = fail.
This 😑
Expensive and short range, why? As nerdy as they are, lease give away is the only way to sell them.
Tesla car designs are like a bar of soap so boring
Well sunny if you don’t like it, don’t buy one. You look kind of boring like a bar of soap too.
Tesla is still doing it better than all the rest.
and you get eye cancer for free.
Made in china
It is not, in fact the North America version qualifies for the $7500 tax credit and it's one of the best value for money offerings on the entire market across the globe. Better in many aspects than the now totally outdated Model Y
Tennessee.
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