I am glad you do suggest to calibrate the sensor if you are having issues. Just because it didn't have an effect for your one trial run, it is quite possible that most people will need to do this step. That one nitpick aside, this is the best video on using the gyro stabilization for blackmagic cameras I've seen. Thanks.
GREAT VIDEO ! I think you've covered all the bases. I'd like to confirm using a vintage zoom, 29-70mm f3.5-4.5 Contax-Zeiss lens with a Metabones Speed Booster ULTRA 0.71x - no data of any type is transmitted to the camera. You must manually input the mm focal length of each zoom setting into the BMPCC4K. In the case of a Canon zoom STM 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 (modified EF-S mount to work with Metabones EF Speed Booster)- with the lens set to either AF or MF - a BMPCC4K reports the lens as .7xEF-S10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS (irrespective of the lens IS being On or Off). The BMPCC4K continues to report the resultant mm values from the 0.71x Speed Booster as one zooms from 10-18mm (i.e. showing 7-13mm) whether the lens is set on AF or MF. Obviously, if using vintage glass with gyro stabilization, only use vintage prime lens.
How does it affect the quality of the shot? Since there is a zoom in, a little quality will be lost from the original footage, no? Thanks for the amazing & Usefull video!!!
Depending on how strong the stabilization needs to be, the more it’ll crop, and yeah you could lose some quality but if you’re using a 6K and exporting at 4K you probably won’t notice at all! The only other thing may be motion blur bumps from shutter speed!
Thank you for mentioning that so far, we need the beta version of DaVinci and to have lens stabilization off, because i didnt notice that talked about in a previous video I saw and this is very important to know.
Really nice video. I definitely feel your channel will blow up soon. good production and content. One question, does the fps matter? Will 60fps look better than 24fps?
Thank you! That's a good question. I went back to check some clips I shot, from what I can tell I don't believe that it's any more smooth when looking at a clip shot at 24 and a clip shot at 50 and sped back up to 24, but I may be wrong. If it is, then in my tests it's only marginally more smooth. IT's hard to do it scientifically because I'm not sure if I was more stable in either of the takes verses the other etc. Exposure will have to be compensated for etc if you plan to shoot slower to speed back up. I suggest some private tests and see if the results you get work best for the project you are shooting :) Thanks for the nice comments!
That pretty much answered all my questions except one: is the gyro better than an image stabilized lens? Or am i better of using IS lens and add stabe in post on top? Thanks
Really depends on what you’re doing. If you’re stable with the IS lens then you’d have less crop straight off the bat. If you’re walking around then I’d think Gyro would help you out more than just Lens IS! 👍
00:00 - Introduction 00:20 - What do I need? 01:20 - How can I get it to work? 02:11 - Lenses with I.S or O.S.S 02:55 - Best Practices for Best Results 03:02 - Use a faster Shutter Speed 03:46 - Give more space to offset the crop 04:25 - Only Stabilise what you need 04:54 - Be as steady as you can 05:07 - Do I need to calibrate the Motion Sensor? 05:47 - Can I use a gimbal? 06:03 - Can I use an Easyrig? 06:18 - What if use a Tripod? 06:44 - Can I Zoom or Pull Focus? 07:13 - Can I use a manual Lens or Speedbooster? 08:19 - Does it work in Slow Motion? 08:35 - Does it work for Vertical Video? 08:47 - What about spinning? 09:01 - Does it work at night? 09:20 - Does it work well in a moving vehicles?
thanks man. I'm using the BMPCC 4K with a smart adapter (micro 4/3 to EF). After applying the Gyro Stabilisation, the video is Zoomed all the way in (> 200%). Any suggestions?
Wow 😞 How stable is the shot you are trying to stabilise? Maybe try the same lens + adapter combo and barely move the camera and see how it stabilises. Is the lens data set correctly?
I cut out a part to make it end quicker. But it wasn’t sped up. I use a Mac M1 Pro, it’s quite quick at processing the clips. Short clips only take a few seconds. Longer clips take longer 😅
That's a great question. I'm not sure if it will work on Anamorphic, it may do. I think the best thing for you to do would be to run some tests, start with the focal length of the lens, then try multiplying by. the speedbooster etc. See what results it comes up with 👍
So with a metabones 0.71 speedbooster and sigma 18-35mm, I would have to change the focal length setting within the camera dependent on what zoom I'm at? Or would a lens like this automatically convert it for the data? This video was insanely helpful man I'm very grateful.
Yeah you got it, if on the Lens Data page there's no visible change in the Focal Length information when you zoom, then you'll need to change it based on what zoom/focal length you're at. And my pleasure to be of help!
Did this Blackmagic gyro update also help with rolling shutter problems? On another video a comment suggested that it also helped with that (similar to what the SteadXP addon/software can do).
It's extremely reliable, in terms of being able to apply the effect it'll work every time. What results you get will be determined how you moved when you shot the footage. I tried running across a road, holding the camera one handed via the top handle.... and it looked terrible. But walking across the road, hold the camera as steady as I could, being more stable.. the results were way better. Like I said it's not gonna perform miracles but it's extremely simple to use! :)
Hey @Another Camera Chanel, what about situation when you are using adapter without electronics? I've got Nikkor 17-55 2.8 with classic adapter from viltrox (the one with aputure ring) and Bmpcc 4k. Do I need to type 32,3mm for 17mm (17mm x 1.9) or just 17mm it that case?
That's very comprehensive - thanks - I did wonder about vertical video, and if you had to do any calibration for that - I guess not BTW the official line from BM is that it defaults to 18mm if it doesn't have metadata - so if you have a longer lens and don't enter the correct info, it won't stabilise enough (and presumably the reverse is true) What would be really handy is if editing the clip metadata in resolve got picked up by the stabiliser + being able to animate strength could be useful
It's kinda the same, except it's using what the camera senses and then Resolve uses that data to stabilise. However it won't zoom in and out like the GoPro and Gyroflow method does, so you have to be really selective about what clips you try to stablise. With Gyroflow, it will reframe the shot back to the widest it can after any crazy movements, while Resolve won't. Gyroflow still has it's advantages
i have a question, when using full frame manual lenses on my black magic 6k pro, do I need to write down the lens number or its conversion to super35? for example if I have a 50mm it would be an 80
I'd say just use what the lens says on it's body. Don't worry about crop factors etc. You can always experiment and see if you get better results with different values.
Your video has helped me quite a bit, but I have one remaining concern: are there currently any other options for inputting the focal length with a vintage prime lens? I have a set of vintage prime lenses that we rotate around quite a lot, and with my crew's (somewhat peculiar, sure) workflow I would rather not have to change the numbers every time we change glass. Is it only possible to do so before recording and I should regret my life choices, or can I alter the data in-camera or in Resolve later?
That’s something you could definitely test out by looking what metadata you can change in Resolve. I know you can change camera names and angles and other metadata so maybe it’s possible!
@@AnotherCameraChannel I couldn't find anything related to lens in Resolve, but at least there is an option to retroactively alter the lens data in camera. Tedious, but at least it doesn't all have to be done on set before recording.
6:14 Does "camera gyro stabilization" gives you stabilized footage immediately on camera or you need to apply something in davinci resolve to get stabilized footage?
Gyro option doesn't appear in Davinci (18.1.1) when I try to stab footage shot on my Panasonic Lumix 12-35 OIS lens. I tried to shut off stab manually on the lens, tried to shut off stab in the setup menu of the camera - still nothing. But gyro works with my Canon 70-200 F4... Conclusion: it doesnt't work with lenses that have stab (either it is ON or OFF)
Interesting. Just tested it out with BMPCC4K and Panasonic 12-35. My results were: - Image Stabilisation Option ON, Lens IS switch ON - No Gyro Available - Image Stabilisation Option ON, Lens IS switch OFF - No Gyro Available - Image Stabilisation Option OFF, Lens IS switch ON - Gyro Available - Image Stabilisation Option OFF, Lens IS switch OFF - Gyro Available So it's a bit odd that it didn't work for you, maybe try testing one more time.
Hello! I have the latest davinci 18.1.2. with a license, BM 4K is also updated to the latest firmware, but the gyro stabilization function is stupidly not in the list of stubs. I shot in braw, turned off the stub on the lens, turned on the optics stabilization function, the camera automatically entered the parameters of the lens (panasonic 12-35). What is the matter, comrades? Help!
In the BMPCC4K Menu on the Setup page turn Off the Image Stabilisation toggle. If it is On then regardless of the Lens' IS switch position it'll disable Gyro Stabilisation. Just tested it out for you with BMPCC4K and Panasonic 12-35.
Resolve bug causes gyro stabilized to drift for the first 5 seconds of the stabilized clip. It makes gyro stabilization unusable at longer focal lengths. Frustrating.
I am glad you do suggest to calibrate the sensor if you are having issues. Just because it didn't have an effect for your one trial run, it is quite possible that most people will need to do this step. That one nitpick aside, this is the best video on using the gyro stabilization for blackmagic cameras I've seen. Thanks.
GREAT VIDEO ! I think you've covered all the bases. I'd like to confirm using a vintage zoom, 29-70mm f3.5-4.5 Contax-Zeiss lens with a Metabones Speed Booster ULTRA 0.71x - no data of any type is transmitted to the camera. You must manually input the mm focal length of each zoom setting into the BMPCC4K. In the case of a Canon zoom STM 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 (modified EF-S mount to work with Metabones EF Speed Booster)- with the lens set to either AF or MF - a BMPCC4K reports the lens as .7xEF-S10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS (irrespective of the lens IS being On or Off). The BMPCC4K continues to report the resultant mm values from the 0.71x Speed Booster as one zooms from 10-18mm (i.e. showing 7-13mm) whether the lens is set on AF or MF. Obviously, if using vintage glass with gyro stabilization, only use vintage prime lens.
Brilliant video, thank you. One thing - what about 'Distance' for the lens data? what does that refer to? where did you get 10389mm from?
Really great info about manual lens focal length input!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
To add to that, from a comment by Steve Green, if you leave that Lens Data box blank it will default to 18mm
Thank you for these infos! Very useful. Good work, well done! Bravo!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Straight to the point and covered everything. Thumbs up!
How does it affect the quality of the shot? Since there is a zoom in, a little quality will be lost from the original footage, no?
Thanks for the amazing & Usefull video!!!
Depending on how strong the stabilization needs to be, the more it’ll crop, and yeah you could lose some quality but if you’re using a 6K and exporting at 4K you probably won’t notice at all!
The only other thing may be motion blur bumps from shutter speed!
This was super useful, many thanks !
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for mentioning that so far, we need the beta version of DaVinci and to have lens stabilization off, because i didnt notice that talked about in a previous video I saw and this is very important to know.
As Resolve 18 is out fully now, no need for the beta version anymore 😉
Thanks for watching and the nice comment!
thanks for this amazing detailed test review, I will update my camera firmware update, huge thanks
Great test and lesson! Thanks. On my BMCP6K there is no gyro button in the setup menu, but the stabilization works. Update 7.9.1
Really nice video. I definitely feel your channel will blow up soon. good production and content. One question, does the fps matter? Will 60fps look better than 24fps?
Thank you!
That's a good question. I went back to check some clips I shot, from what I can tell I don't believe that it's any more smooth when looking at a clip shot at 24 and a clip shot at 50 and sped back up to 24, but I may be wrong. If it is, then in my tests it's only marginally more smooth. IT's hard to do it scientifically because I'm not sure if I was more stable in either of the takes verses the other etc. Exposure will have to be compensated for etc if you plan to shoot slower to speed back up. I suggest some private tests and see if the results you get work best for the project you are shooting :)
Thanks for the nice comments!
dude, how you set up the video and the content itself is superb. Keep rockin.
Thanks a ton!
Excellent video. Specific and well done!
Thank you 🙏
Very clear , and to the point . Well done !
Thank you so much!
Great video bro. Great content.
Appreciate it! Thank you :)
That pretty much answered all my questions except one: is the gyro better than an image stabilized lens? Or am i better of using IS lens and add stabe in post on top? Thanks
Really depends on what you’re doing. If you’re stable with the IS lens then you’d have less crop straight off the bat.
If you’re walking around then I’d think Gyro would help you out more than just Lens IS! 👍
00:00 - Introduction
00:20 - What do I need?
01:20 - How can I get it to work?
02:11 - Lenses with I.S or O.S.S
02:55 - Best Practices for Best Results
03:02 - Use a faster Shutter Speed
03:46 - Give more space to offset the crop
04:25 - Only Stabilise what you need
04:54 - Be as steady as you can
05:07 - Do I need to calibrate the Motion Sensor?
05:47 - Can I use a gimbal?
06:03 - Can I use an Easyrig?
06:18 - What if use a Tripod?
06:44 - Can I Zoom or Pull Focus?
07:13 - Can I use a manual Lens or Speedbooster?
08:19 - Does it work in Slow Motion?
08:35 - Does it work for Vertical Video?
08:47 - What about spinning?
09:01 - Does it work at night?
09:20 - Does it work well in a moving vehicles?
Great explanation! Thanks
You're welcome!
Great! and very useful!! 근데 서울신거 같은디요? 맞나유?
Yes this was shot around Sindaebang station :)
@@AnotherCameraChannel 지금도 서울이세유? ㅎㅎㅎ 암튼 영상 너무 잘봤어유~!
thanks man. I'm using the BMPCC 4K with a smart adapter (micro 4/3 to EF). After applying the Gyro Stabilisation, the video is Zoomed all the way in (> 200%). Any suggestions?
Wow 😞
How stable is the shot you are trying to stabilise? Maybe try the same lens + adapter combo and barely move the camera and see how it stabilises. Is the lens data set correctly?
@@AnotherCameraChannel it's because my clip was so shaky that it stablized it so much > zooming. thanks bud!
very thorough, thank you
Thanks for the best video. I have one question. 01:30 Is the analyzing real speed? has it been edited?
I cut out a part to make it end quicker. But it wasn’t sped up. I use a Mac M1 Pro, it’s quite quick at processing the clips. Short clips only take a few seconds. Longer clips take longer 😅
Thank you so much for the info, I use a speedbooster and an anamorphic lens. What should I type in the focal lens data field?
That's a great question. I'm not sure if it will work on Anamorphic, it may do.
I think the best thing for you to do would be to run some tests, start with the focal length of the lens, then try multiplying by. the speedbooster etc.
See what results it comes up with 👍
So if you're going to use 18 Beta, backup your Resolve 17 database or make a new database just for 18 Beta Projects.
Exactly!
So with a metabones 0.71 speedbooster and sigma 18-35mm, I would have to change the focal length setting within the camera dependent on what zoom I'm at? Or would a lens like this automatically convert it for the data? This video was insanely helpful man I'm very grateful.
Yeah you got it, if on the Lens Data page there's no visible change in the Focal Length information when you zoom, then you'll need to change it based on what zoom/focal length you're at.
And my pleasure to be of help!
@@AnotherCameraChannel That's exactly what I wanted to know thank you so much
Did this Blackmagic gyro update also help with rolling shutter problems? On another video a comment suggested that it also helped with that (similar to what the SteadXP addon/software can do).
They need to add the black magic micro studio camera g2 4K!
Hi, What do you writing in the Lens Data settings for the Sigma 18-35?
Regards
What about anamorphic for bmpcc 6k full frame
I keep getting the warp effect
also how reliable is using gyro stabilization? Is it finicky or will it work every time if you know how to use it?
It's extremely reliable, in terms of being able to apply the effect it'll work every time.
What results you get will be determined how you moved when you shot the footage.
I tried running across a road, holding the camera one handed via the top handle.... and it looked terrible.
But walking across the road, hold the camera as steady as I could, being more stable.. the results were way better.
Like I said it's not gonna perform miracles but it's extremely simple to use! :)
How to use with premiere please
Hey @Another Camera Chanel, what about situation when you are using adapter without electronics? I've got Nikkor 17-55 2.8 with classic adapter from viltrox (the one with aputure ring) and Bmpcc 4k. Do I need to type 32,3mm for 17mm (17mm x 1.9) or just 17mm it that case?
That's very comprehensive - thanks - I did wonder about vertical video, and if you had to do any calibration for that - I guess not
BTW the official line from BM is that it defaults to 18mm if it doesn't have metadata - so if you have a longer lens and don't enter the correct info, it won't stabilise enough (and presumably the reverse is true)
What would be really handy is if editing the clip metadata in resolve got picked up by the stabiliser + being able to animate strength could be useful
Thx. But this gyro is the same than other one your channel using GoPro?
It's kinda the same, except it's using what the camera senses and then Resolve uses that data to stabilise. However it won't zoom in and out like the GoPro and Gyroflow method does, so you have to be really selective about what clips you try to stablise. With Gyroflow, it will reframe the shot back to the widest it can after any crazy movements, while Resolve won't. Gyroflow still has it's advantages
so is it 75% or 90%? ...what's the difference between both?
i have a question, when using full frame manual lenses on my black magic 6k pro, do I need to write down the lens number or its conversion to super35? for example if I have a 50mm it would be an 80
you're overthinking it
I'd say just use what the lens says on it's body. Don't worry about crop factors etc.
You can always experiment and see if you get better results with different values.
Your video has helped me quite a bit, but I have one remaining concern: are there currently any other options for inputting the focal length with a vintage prime lens? I have a set of vintage prime lenses that we rotate around quite a lot, and with my crew's (somewhat peculiar, sure) workflow I would rather not have to change the numbers every time we change glass. Is it only possible to do so before recording and I should regret my life choices, or can I alter the data in-camera or in Resolve later?
That’s something you could definitely test out by looking what metadata you can change in Resolve.
I know you can change camera names and angles and other metadata so maybe it’s possible!
@@AnotherCameraChannel I couldn't find anything related to lens in Resolve, but at least there is an option to retroactively alter the lens data in camera. Tedious, but at least it doesn't all have to be done on set before recording.
That's great information to know, thanks for finding that out!
Is youtube going to reserve 4k only for premium users?
Will this effect my speed booster?
NOTIFICATION GANG
Thanks for coming so fast ^^
@@AnotherCameraChannel Squad goals!!! Anytime, brotha!
what about the BMPCC original!?
Is it for the g2?
6:14 Does "camera gyro stabilization" gives you stabilized footage immediately on camera or you need to apply something in davinci resolve to get stabilized footage?
It's in Resolve
Muiito bueno
HALLO!Can i edit gyro stabilization on fcpx or only premier?thanks
Not yet, maybe in the future.
You can currently only do it Davinci Resolve 18 Beta 5 or later.
Gyro option doesn't appear in Davinci (18.1.1) when I try to stab footage shot on my Panasonic Lumix 12-35 OIS lens. I tried to shut off stab manually on the lens, tried to shut off stab in the setup menu of the camera - still nothing. But gyro works with my Canon 70-200 F4...
Conclusion: it doesnt't work with lenses that have stab (either it is ON or OFF)
Interesting. Just tested it out with BMPCC4K and Panasonic 12-35.
My results were:
- Image Stabilisation Option ON, Lens IS switch ON - No Gyro Available
- Image Stabilisation Option ON, Lens IS switch OFF - No Gyro Available
- Image Stabilisation Option OFF, Lens IS switch ON - Gyro Available
- Image Stabilisation Option OFF, Lens IS switch OFF - Gyro Available
So it's a bit odd that it didn't work for you, maybe try testing one more time.
5:19 what is motion sensor calibration used for?
Setting the camera's horizon meter is one thing it does.
Hello! I have the latest davinci 18.1.2. with a license, BM 4K is also updated to the latest firmware, but the gyro stabilization function is stupidly not in the list of stubs. I shot in braw, turned off the stub on the lens, turned on the optics stabilization function, the camera automatically entered the parameters of the lens (panasonic 12-35). What is the matter, comrades? Help!
In the BMPCC4K Menu on the Setup page turn Off the Image Stabilisation toggle. If it is On then regardless of the Lens' IS switch position it'll disable Gyro Stabilisation. Just tested it out for you with BMPCC4K and Panasonic 12-35.
@@AnotherCameraChannel thank you very much!
does It work with GoPro videos ? like reel steady does
No, but you can get the Gyoflow OFX for Resolve to use with GoPros
You can seem y video about Gyroflow here: ruclips.net/video/ByaEPYhNeXk/видео.html
Can someone help me what I have to set in the lens data menu if I‘m using a speedbooster with the sigma 18-35?
Best bet is to try values and see if it works.
Try 18mm first then adjust if not good results
Resolve bug causes gyro stabilized to drift for the first 5 seconds of the stabilized clip. It makes gyro stabilization unusable at longer focal lengths. Frustrating.
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Thanks