Solid State Logic | SSL ORIGIN Install & Setup Day 3 PT 3
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2021
- Here is part 3 of the 3rd day when we first hooked up the console. Lots of learning and figuring out going on here.
Gear I have in my studio. I get all my gear at Sweetwater. (affiliate links)
SSL Origin - imp.i114863.net/4edbBZ
SSL Fusion - imp.i114863.net/EaqG92
SSL UF-8 DAW Controller - imp.i114863.net/qnAXGn
SSL UC-1 - imp.i114863.net/QOJ3xY
Empirical Labs Distressor - imp.i114863.net/rngeK3
U/A Apollo x16 - imp.i114863.net/BXKrYL
Switchcraft Patch Bay - imp.i114863.net/doLjrQ
Wes Audio NG Bus Comp - imp.i114863.net/6bexvE
Wes Audio Titan - imp.i114863.net/EaKyQ4
Wes Audio Dione - imp.i114863.net/b3aVRx
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I don't own one but Flock Audio had a digital patch bay that is fully controllable. You don't have to recable you can switch any out board gear onto any channel even change the order. And it's USB, And Madi I believe. You might be one of the only guys I know virtually that has a set up big enough for the more expensive of the two units.
ruclips.net/video/aUAvsokxXvk/видео.html
I hope it helps.
@@anthemmakersmusic I check out the Flock Audio and they are so expensive that I decided to go with a traditional patch bay
@@anthemmakersmusic Thnaks!
Man you are providing a premium service on these RUclips streets LOL you the only person that actually have videos like this
That's why we are here! I wanted to help people that are into the same style of mixing we are into and as you said, no one is making these sorts of videos. Hopefully they will help someone
Moral of the story; no matter how many cables you have, you need more...
Ain't that the truth!
That observation made crack a laugh :D funny but so true!
Loving these videos. I know I started late and I’m playing catch up but it’s like reading a good book where your mind is thinking of where it’s gonna go and how it’s gonna end. I wanna jump to the end but seeing(hearing) the thought process is great. Makes me take one video at a time. Having been in the audio biz for 40 years the art of patching and setting up was always my strong point because it was fun. Thinking of every scenario is fun. Keeps my mind young! Onto the next day 4 video!
Enjoy!
Well done guys very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
That desk is beautiful!
Thank you so much!
Well done so far!
Hey guys, 2 patch bays (at least) will help make it a lot easier to get your head round.
Got 3 now actually....LOL
@@MixingMusicAnalog aHa, even better!
I can see the day coming where we'll have four or five...
@@DavidSJ_DAP 5 would cover the Origin, then another for your outboard - worth every Penny (sorry I'm British)
It is a magnification console and I am a bit jealous. You will have years of fun with this beast. Yes it has Solo in Place and much more. This from the manual: Solo master and meters
Comprehensive Solo controls provide choice of Solo-In-Front with Mix
Balance, Solo-In-Place for Large, Small & Group Faders and PFL options.
Solo Level, Solo Clear and Red Light Switch complete the available
options. Peak Hold Selection plus Peak Clear for all console LED Meters.
Mix Meter Follow Monitor Source option increases main mix meter
flexibility. Independent DIM controls for Channel and Monitor Inputs to
reduce meter distractions in busy sessions.
Best of luck with it! Carry on. Tod
Thanks! Yes, we figured the solo thing out after the fact. This video was recorded a couple of weeks ago. since then I am learning more and more. I do appreciate your response and help!
I'm not sure if you figured out the main out inserts already, but what I did on my mixing board... I never use the main out inserts. My main outs goes directly to hardware bus processors (using a patchbay), that signal goes back to the daw (to print track, maybe with additional plugin processing) and the output from the print track goes back to the mixer using an external input on the board (mostly named "2-track"). 99% of my time I'm monitoring the 2-track input, not the main outs of the board.
Thanks for the tip!
On Day 2 we set up a patch bay and get the routing worked out to use the master insert and also run the mains into the X16 for the print track...we did try to direct out to the Fusion and feed back to the board but it works the way we have it, so...
It's like putting tennis shoes on a wildcat. Hard to do but man is it fast when done!!
True for sure
so informative , i am planning to buy this console
Congrats. Where are you planning to purchase from?
Page 48 of the origin user manual has a suggested patch bay setup. Great video!
Yes, I have seen their manual. Just need 4 more patrch bays....lol
Hey Hey! You're getting there! :-) If you get an extra 8 i/o then you may be better routing those outputs to the dedicated FX returns so you'd have access to the bus routing for the FX. Remember, you can't route both the long and short fader on a channel. It's one or the other. Also, I think the mix insert send and return is pre the bus compressor and can't be moved post. Or the other way round. I'd have to check the manual. The stereo groups and buses are a bit strange as they are not quite internally linked. You have to make a physical connection from dsub to dsub on the back or have them normalled on a patchbay. That's why you can't hear anything when doing the bus routing. I'm sure you know all that by now anyway.
Yeah, Day 2 was the day we made major progress on all of that...at this point in the video we're still on Day 1, and there has already been a Day 3...
We're not afraid of showing the process, including the mistakes we made and the process of working out how to make everything work...SSL's manual is good, but could be better...
As far as IO, we WANT to add more but at this point we're determined to work with what we have...at some point we need to stop setting up and actually start mixing on the thing...
Yep, we got all of that figured out at this point. This video was shot a few weeks ago but thanks for the advice! Keep it coming
@@MixingMusicAnalog I do realise this was a couple of weeks ago now but I can't resist throwing popcorn and shouting at the screen "No! not that way, it's this way!" I'll try and refrain for the moment until the series finishes. :-) There's a couple of things I find frustrating about the functionality of the console and that is not being able to switch the drive circuit into the monitor path for mixing and the LF to SF option. What appears on the SF is a direct copy of the LF and the SF insert isn't active. I don't know what you're supposed to do with that! Parallel compression if you send the SF signal to a bus perhaps. You can do that with the LF signal though. I need to look into that further and contact SSL myself. What other 8 i/o unit are you thinking of getting?
Also there should be a 2 track return on the origin to monitor your mix,which also should show up on your patch bay as well
Yep! Correct
Awesome …… I’m inspired to be a console owner some day. Good job men. Do we get to hear some of how she is sounding soon?
nope. no sound will be included on this channel....:)
The mix bus and inserts should be in the patchbay as well as in and outs of the fusion,this way you could use the fusion for instrument tracks or vocals
Already done!
@@MixingMusicAnalog Nice
you could just return all the effects to 2 channels and use the automation 8 faders to control each effect return fader in the daw. you kind of want to automate those a lot anyway
That's true. Great point!
Try the Flock Audio patchbay wil help you. Secondly on the master bus you need a master chain bay like from dangerous audio.
Great. Thanks for the tip!
So just one question, it doesn't have "Solo in Place" where the panning stays when solo'd. Surprising and bad really if true. Solo two guitar tracks that are panned in the mix.... uh.....
I think it does. I have to check in to that
did you have to do anything custom to power the SSL beyond just plugging it in?
No, just plugin it into the wall power and you are all set. I mention that in this 6 month review video
ruclips.net/video/JIRJd-MGCH4/видео.html
isn't there a master insert button on the console to select it? I suppose not. Also: pans, if you use the direct outs to the daw as well as the master 2bus stereo mix 'print track' then you can either have stereo with ssl console panning, or up the centre mono.(but reaper is the only daw I know that lets you have any 1 - 32 channel as left if its a stereo track,,,, i.e. studio one only currently lets you have 1 3 5 7 9 as left (incase you had eg. kick mono 1, snare stereo 2 3.......... it doesn't let you ...
Interesting watching these - thanks :) Massive learning head scratching! I had the same issues with my 2x8816 summing units with panning using the direct outs, wondering for ages why I cant pan ... ... ok well pan only would work if printing a stereo track... you can pan stereo pairs and print those it.b. and keep monos up the centre no pan. (can even just say each is stereo as a rule, and for the epicentre monos can always double up for parallel mono eq
Cool mixer :) BTW, if I were you maybe Id like to get a ssl sigma to use for the automation for each analog fader after the computer. :) Thanks again for sharing with us :) Its quite confusing hooking it all up lol :). my plan for my ssl hybrid rack of xracks , is to print what I capture i.t.b. then mix i.t.b. through ssl sigma summing (that said, don't know if ill be losing out on quality by printing and then going back out to summing... massive head scratching!
one thing I was thinking of buying for my mini duality ssl console in a rack i.e. loads of x racks (32 channels) was I was considering the Tascam da6400 it allows you to record backup 32 channels @ 96k 24 bit and has dsubs in 32channels. Always something to think about, it does have a sound though I think, I know the Tascam da3000 (stereo recorder) has a sound i.e. its not totally transparent (please correct me someone if im wrong). I think those direct outputs should be recorded off as backup (im no pro yet but I DO THINK THAT the inspiration and magic in the moment should be captured; then maybe mixed in the box with plugs after? So many ways of setting this stuff up! My plan with my 32 channels of ssl x rack that feed 2xneve8816swithfaders (32neve faders) is to use ssl sigma to automate those faders of the Neve 8816 (Neve 8804 fader packx2) o.t.b. and also then have the direct outputs from ssl sigma automation to then feed patch bays where I can either 'normal' send direct outs from sigma via dsubs to patchbay to send to external gear eg. all vocal to api 550 eq or 'half-normalise' (i.e. parallel) send direct outs of sigma automation of my hybrid Neve drive ssl x rack rack 32 channels to a distressor etc. I also think if you have a half-normalised patchbay then you can send off the direct outputs to the daw as backup stereo stems (and mono upcentrenopan stems) whilst also sending off parallel to eg. feed side chain inputs on dynamics for ssl dynamics gear. ! :) I would love engineers on 'mix with the master' to talk about this kinda stuff but so far no-one talks about the setting up of it just the mixing process i.t.b with any outboard. Really interesting watching these videos so thanks! :)
I even like the idea of getting the console mix rocking, then sending all the tracks off patchbay parallel (half-normalised) to inject more energy into stuff going into eg distressor etc, but EVEN send them to a different summing unit with different pans to really thicken it! the are just my crazy ideas that Ive yet to do! :)
Thanks for the suggestions. A Sigma is not in the card for an additional $5,000.
Why do you still need the plugin EQ when you gave the console?
I dont need any EQ plugin. Not planning on using any.
@@MixingMusicAnalog oh then I miss understood, because you showed the new SSL controller in the first video.
you kind of want the bus outputs to return to studio one so you can print stems..
Yes, that is now setup and ready to go.
i thought the ssl is also a daw controller...is this one not?
Nope! its not. If you want an SSL that does that, you are looking at the Duality which is over $150,000
Greetings friend, Merry Christmas, I am in a project of my study and with you I found a direct guide to what I want.
Is it possible that you have a PDF guide of all your connected system?
My name is Alejandro Guzman and I live in Venezuela, Thank you for your videos and you give me light on the path that I am doing, God bless you.
I dont have a PDF....its all in the videos
Have to interject the same comment as so many more... 2 words... Patch Bays! Contact RedCo they likely have some in stock or can create what you need including the D-Sub cables to the bays and the bays over to the interfaces. I tried to do what you're doing without bays and the flexibility just wasn't there.
We got not just 1 but 3 patchbays now.......videos are coming soon.
The manual shows 5 patchbays ,if you want to go hog wild
Yea, maybe at one point.
5:19 is that normal?
Nope we figured it out. All set.
Love these how to ....In my opinion You are overthinking, the template, its not needed Ive been running a hybrid for 15 years on an SSL 4056, WITH LOTS OF OUTBOARD, you have no need to print the audio back into DAW unless you wanna send processed audio somewhere, Of course you'll print back a mix which you've figured out....here's the short and skinny, (no Pun) hook the direct outs to Console inputs from interfaces 1 to 1 etc, all the way to 32, same with inputs from SSL to patchbay for flexibility to patch around a bad channel, or what ever ( or Not) which allows you to just use the Track output assignments in DAW TO console for instance mine is set up FROM DAW TO SSL Channels, drums 1-12 then 13-14 Bass stereo, then 15-18 2 stereo GTR returns , 19-20 a stereo for Perc / misc, 21-24 2 stereos for Keys synths etc, ... 25 -26 -Lead Vox separate 27-30 BGV Grouped in DAW you can use small faders for FX Returns...either from Patchbay or DAW...then further routing on SSL to Center section Groups to be able to control mix from sweet spot...Heres a tip watch any mix video with CLA his is also that way obviously much more gear than me but, its a suggestion!..Great Luck man...Im also in CT love to see your spot Dave
Thanks for the info