Hyundai i30 N v Honda Civic Type R - evo DEADLY RIVALS
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2018
- Hot hatchbacks have never been so capable, fast, or entertaining, but can the new Hyundai i30 N, a new offering that has taken the class by storm, really compete with the bewildering Honda Civic Type R?
Steve Sutcliffe heads to Rockingham Motor Speedway with a pair of fast shoes and some timing gear.
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So the more powerful, lighter, more expensive car is faster. Who would’ve thought?
ctrlSHIFT and more reliable too
The type r also beats cars costing more, with more power as well, so your argument, or quip, is null and void
Yeah, no shit! Take 1/3 of the savings and put it into the i30. Also, the i30 doesn't look like a Transformer!
Klasse Act but it’s still a Hyundai. Sure void the warranty too. Sounds like a recipe for success.
@@bmwmdude you have a point about the warranty but the reliability thing is an "old bit". Didn't the Type R have an overheating issue? Have you heard about Honda and their oil deviation issues?
Be advised. i30n(or veloster n) was never built to be a Type-R rival from the first place. It's main target was GTI . Not even a Golf R.
Shagia Frost agree ... although The type R is on the cusp of Gti territory and m140i territory. It’s a bit of an oddity ...it’s also at the opposite of what a Golf R owner would want
lewis Ratford thé veloster can beat it bro it’s lighter than Civic type R !!!
i30N TCR is faster than the Civic Type-R TCR though...
Wael Hcd-9 lol think I will pass on both ! Both great packages but I’ve out grown the fast and furious looks! More subtle looks please.
@@waelhcd-9258 power to weight ratio of the veloster N and CTR is almost the same.. can't wait ti see a track battle of both cars .. the veloster pulls more cornering g's but the civic is a hair quicker on the straights
This premiere function is absolute tosh.
Had to wait 2 hours before taking a dump to watch this.
"Wouldn't have changed at all had it been bone dry" hmmm, not sure I believe that, sport contacts vs super sports is exactly why it had less grip in the wet, would have had more grip in the dry, might not have changed the result but would have been closer.
As I know (because I drive conti) they are not that great on wet. Michelin PS4s is the best one for the rain.
quigonjay9 simply not true, Super Sports are great wet weather tyres. It’s marginal at best, but wouldn’t change the result, Type R is simply quicker than the N wet, dry, anywhere.
@@Patr1ck2332 Agreed from experience PSS are more of a summer tyre. Wouldn't be surprised Honda equips those lousy Conti for UK market specific.
@@Patr1ck2332 false. Super sports are sub par in wet weather performance compared to the latest high end summer tyres.
@@chawenhalo0089 SportContact 6's are far from lousy. They are one the very best tyres in their segment right now.
I’m looking at an i30N at the moment, but versus a standard Gti, not even a performance, and definitely not the Honda Type R - they’ve not really comparable. The price diff to the type R is massive here in Ireland too, about €12k (€40k v €52k), and i30N’s are higher discounted for demo’s. Type R is identical price to the Golf R
I30N I think would prove to be far more reliable than anything VW is pumping out. (Re-sale value on anything from VAG will be a serious liability in the next few years. Unless you're tracking your car (why would you on front whell drive?) Or particularly hamfisted IMO you don't need an EDiff in road car.
GTI all the way. Drive them back to back, you'll feel how tinny the Hyndai is compared to a GTI. There's a reason the Hyundai is cheaper
@@TheChannel1978 yes its called a fat margin and a return to shareholders given they had to cut at least $16 bn USD off their results for the next few years (and thats just the beggining.
@@chawenhalo0089 I'm not going to defend any corporates dishing out bonuses or their dogdy tactics and lies. If you look hard enough you'll find similar at most big companies. What I'm saying is most German cars have better insulated cabins than most Asian cars and the last Hyunday I test drove was a highly-reviewed i30 Elite Edition. It drove like a piece of piss and sounded tinny compared to my ancient 2005 MK5 Golf which I bought for next to nothing used. Yes it needs more repairs than a Japanese or Korean, of course it does. It still drives better, but everybody can try this out for themselves.
@@TheChannel1978 Of course and I suspect most "older" cars drive better and especially on our nasty british or european roads.
I love i30n but man, type r is a beast. No way i30n can beat it around the track..
I'd still take the i30 N over it tbh. Fun>>>>Performance
Only kids care about lap times. Adults go out and drive cars to judge them. Lap times almost never tell how nice a car is to drive, and when you're behind the wheel, you couldn't care less about them.
derbigpr500 So the Honda is not also fun? I think we can agree BOTH cars are awesome fun.
I like i30 N
Bad news for Hyundai then, because by all accounts the Civic Type R is incredibly nice to drive, combining both comfort and performance to put itself at the top of the hot hatch heap.
Feel like i watched 7 minutes Honda conmercial
*These cars don’t even compete with each other. The type R is in a higher class than the Hyundai.
*For anyone complaining about styling of the Type R, Honda is working on a civic hatch trim with similar range power output to the type r but with much more subdued styling. Most likely the wing will be toned down or removed. IMO I like the current one just fine, it’s a hot hatch, it’s supposed to look different. And the fact that the aero is functional it’s great.
*if they make the type r awd it would have some positives and negatives, when launched it will probably do 0-60 in under 5 seconds but I really do believe lap times on a dry track would get worse because of the extra weight. One thing the type r has over its competition is the weight. It beats the STI,RS and Golf R on the track, this has been tested by multiple media publications. I do think they should offer it though for the people that want it, I think it would increase sales a lot.
Final note. As much as people love to hate on Honda these days, they still make very competitive products, pretty much all their models are in the top 3 in their respective segments in terms of overall NVH,value,resale, power to weight and mpg. Each model is usually really good at doing what that segment requires of a vehicle.
Very well said good sir.
I agree. I feel like the Hyundai competes more with the GTi than the Type R. And I am glad Honda stuck with FWD and lightness, its always been Type R philosophy to have a light and nimble car. I am also very certain that adding AWD to the Type R would not only increase weight but price as well. I don't think anyone would buy a Civic that is 40 grand, even if it is a Type R.
To be fair they don’t need to increase sales. They aren’t even able to keep the type r stocked. (Although that seems purposeful)
I don't know why you all Hate them type r looks? It's meant to be the wild looking Japanese beast. I think it's proud to stand out. The Honda still shits on all the other hatches and some people just can't accept that. It's great in every way.
🤢🤢🤢🤢
Jay Locke I agree with my friend when I first saw the Type R I honestly don’t mind the looks, and having seen two in person in any color it looks amazing like Championship white, or Rallye Red etc. I think all the aero and very angular look of the Type R is suiting for being a trackable 5 door hatch back. But what I find kinda funny about car people is that we say “ohhh the Lamborghini Huracan Performanté, Ferrari 488 pista, Bugatti Chiron, Pagani Zonda etc. are amazing looking cars and others and that aero, spoilers, wings, front splitters etc. are masterpieces, but let Honda what many would call “lesser car brands” make something crazy in its design everyone says it’s ugly like the type r, it was even the case with Lexus LC500 concept car and even the full production version, we all have opinions but anyways I digress 🤷🏾♂️😁
Ricer from the factory
No ricing to do..
@@dsgrts hope you don't look as stupid as you sound , ricer is a car that looks fast but isn't fast at all the civic is the fastest fwd around the nurburgrin
Nice work Mr S! your presentation skills now almost as good as your driving! That Honda design is superb - the cooking models look even better. I guarantee it will grow on you!
Why do these premieres, if somebody want to watch youtube, he does it the moment, waiting makes it television, its not like anybody is going to think about these premiere and watch it later on
It's getting uploaded at the moment, so they might as well notify people before it finishes uploading
I would honestly prefer the i30N
for sure
I agree
Yep
Had the 2018 model for 2 years. Exchanged it for a more suitable car. By far the best car ive owned, fun atleast . Been reminiscing that high ever since 🥹🫡
Honda commands the money because it earned it.
TRUTH
All that tech that took decades to achieve...Honda didn’t earn anything, type R is good but the N is awesome...save thousands and achieve basically the same results. Let’s face it, who’s a race car driver?
There is a €25.000 price difference in my country, i took the i30N over that for sure
Corvette vs. Veyron next?
new ZR1 is definitely faster than veyron around any track...
The Type R is only 21% more than the i30n (in the UK). If you can afford 80% of the CTR, may as well save up another 20% or buy a dealer demo/lightly used one.
I love and appreciate both cars Honda and Hyundai developed for us petrol heads
So the more powerful , lighter more expensive tech car won the challenge on track .. interesting to learn something new every day i guess ..
Type R has been put against cars with a 4.5 0-60 and 460bhp, its still won with the handling 🤷🏻♂️ a good car should win when it says it should loose on paper
Which tyres were installed?
At the "hair pin" (?) or U turn it looks like different tyres...
Yes Chris Sutcliffe welcome to EVO. Everywhere you work you make the place Better. Will follow you anywhere mate
Can everyone just appreciate that Hyundai have made a cracking car, especially given that Honda have had years of experience making race cars and fast road cars of course the type r would be more dominant but it's not the i30N's true rival anyway. what they have achieved with this car though is quite remarkable as a first big effort into the performance hatch world, well done Hyundai.
Would love to know what Tuning you could do to the i30N..
But the i30N was never made to be fastest around a track like the the civic type r. It was meant to most fun all round
That's absolutely spot on Banzai83...it was designed and engineered to be fun and engaging , not necessarily be the fastest or most powerful . It's about getting the balance right . The mastermind behind this (Albert Biermann) including his team of engineers have executed this well on a first attempt. In his own words its about “good dynamic response” rather than outright speed/or impressive power figures . “Speed is just boring. It’s about the corners,” according to Albert Biermann. Consistency is key... ...I would have the i30N over the Type R . The Type R is just too brash for me.
@@05p03 I don't really follow the same conclusions...if "speed is just boring, and its about the corners" what about this video says the Hyundai takes corners better than the civic.
I love the i30n, and it really is a nice car, but I would only buy it because for its considerably more conservative looks. For anything involving fun an responsiveness (and track performance) I would take the CTR (and maybe find a way to delete the wing)
@@skifree0 of course the i30N is better in the corners than the type R which is true . That's what the statement implies . "Speed is just boring , It's about the corners" means driving dynamics/handling rather than outright power or speed. Maybe you have slightly misread or misinterpreted what I have written . I was not saying the opposite what was evident in the video . I was not stating that cornering was boring !
Vamsi Pabbineedi the only reason that people buys civic type R is how fast it is , the reason for i30 N is less money, fantastic exhaust sound , cool looks , warranty , pawer sliding !!! 👌
The type r is a beast of a machine...it is the king on track...but I prefer b roads for my thrills. I've had my I30n since August and I luv it to bits, a really rewarding drive. Type R is just to intense for me...awesome car none the less. True what you said...the i30n is not aimed at beating the type r...that model will come along soon enough 👍
What time does this start?
Yes more of this please, we've missed Evo of old
Nice video. When can we expect ECOTY 2018? Miss the ECOTY videos 🙈
These are not rivals... Hyundai should go against the hottest GTI
Clubsport S will kill it
I prefer i30N
I support i30 too but that would be a bit harsh. The power difference is 40-50hp.
Why not? They're in the same category and prices aren't too far apart. £28,010 for the 275bhp N-performance i30N vs £30,995 for the Civic Type R. That's not a huge difference to pay and the Civic is arguably worth the premium.
@@jihadjoe it's like comparing an RS4 to a 340i. They're in the same category but not the same class. CTR is a class above
I like Honda because of it's looks, it's stand out from the crowd.
this type r looks like its for high school kids tbh..
Brilliant video. That split screen is off the chain! For 6k more I’d expect at least 4 seconds more. I know it’s trick, quick and dead slippery but I just can’t get past the Civic looking like a plastic bolt on rice racer. Each to their own aesthetics however. Thanks so much for your quality critique.
2 seconds of that time will be tyres, the Continental SportContact 6 are much better than the Michelin Pilot Super Sport in the damp greasy conditions at Rockingham that day. In the dry, the gap would have been closer as part of the traction advantage out of the corners would have been negated!
Jonathan explaining how it is! :D but the result would be the same in the end, just with a smaller gap :D
Was scrolling through the comments for someone with a technical analysis. Glad i found a voice of reason here!
Not only was it the tyres, the driver completely botched his exit at the last corner costing him vital time (and blaming the car). You can tell, he wasn't on the limit of both, he was just at his limit, depending on horsepower/weight for exits. With a driver like that, the times should have been very close.
Granted, driven on the cars' true limits, the CTR would have murdered the Hyundai anyway.
Thanks for your technical comment!
The chassis of the FK8 Honda (heck, even the FK7 - Regular Civic) has to be experienced to be believed when it comes to handling and even comfort. (I drive a Canadian-Spec 2018 Civic Sport Touring 6MT, and even on the 18" wheels and 40-profile tires, the car handles like on rails and is fairly comfy. Even I was surprised.)
In Australian markets the i30N is fitted from factory with Pirelli P Zero HN tyres, which Hyundai claim is a tyre specifically desingned with Pirelli for the i30N.
I have driven both cars, and think the Pirelli fitted to Australian N's is a match made in heaven.
oh my, love seeing the Type R being pushed at the track, that's where it belongs! Glad it is still a world beater :)
Can the wing be unscrewed?
I30 look just like a regular car
Does he say the i30N has an e-diff?? Is he testing the Performance or the one without a proper mechanical diff? Don't you get these in the UK?
How much came down to tire? 4 secs is a lot.
2800 pounds=1270kg at 0:27
then on the table, it says 1429kg at 0:34
did i miss something or what ? i don't really get it...
Steve!!! Instant like.
The one thing the i30 N has over the Civic R is you do not need to explain why it's SO ugly. "Sure it look's funny with the aero bits but they work really well on the track" and then "no, I haven't taken it to the track yet..."
Lmfaoooo.. Those "it's easy on track but I don't go to the track" type dudes are the absolute worst and more often than not, all own Honda's as well...
Honda owners can't take their cars to the track 'cause it will void their warranties, while Hyundai has clearly stated that taking your i30N or veloster N won't void them warranties when you take them to the track. Honda should put their money where their mouth are...in the commuter highways, not on the track.
@@giancarlogimang9207
can you explain to me how Honda will know if I take my car to the track? That's one of the strangest statements I've ever heard in my life.
@@djs18 Well said DJS ive done eight track days, and its bloody brill, done lot of mods, so no warranty anyway .
@@riggers526 I have a 10 year, 100k mile, zero deductible, bumper to bumper warranty on the car. I drive it anywhere I want and I have no modifications whatsoever. Anything goes wrong, which it has not, it will be fixed regardless.
Most Honda’s are pretty good actually. And the b series en k series engines are brilliant.
Hope that vtec doesn't kick in too hard yo LOOOOOOOL
I'm a Type-R person, but that Hyundai is brilliant I'm really excited for the next evolution of it. The Civic impressed me in the wet too, it's the lateral grip that works wonders. You have to cope with more of the front wheels spinning if you put down too much power, but it won't let go in the corner in the way some would expect of something not AWD that will just bully the road until it lets the car go forward :)
I'm really delighted for Hyundai though. It is refreshing that, first there are new entrants to the hot hatch class, and second that they are shaking up the establishment.
Type R sure is little faster but it costs here in Finland 12 000e more so few sec faster in track was not enough for me to get it. Having a lot of fun with the Fastback N and you can get 320hp with pretty simple mods that dont cost 12k
Curious about the pace of the I30N when you bring it to the same price level (throw an extra £5000 at it).
Yea, remap, tires, suspension etc it would be close
I love all the comments about how ugly the Civic is. I own the 2018 type R and I have never gotten more compliments on a car in my entire life. Whether I'm sitting in traffic, at a stoplight, where the people are driving and completely stop to look at the car, or in general, I've never gotten more compliments on this car's appearance. Ultimately, the people that say the car is ugly are straight up haters. Don't hate, appreciate.
FK8-ERS says my Type R's license plate. Definitely gets a lot of compliments and looks. Older people for some reason tend to like it the most in my experience.
@@brandnewty lol that's funny
Totally agree! I have a 2019 Championship White CTR! People love it!
@@Stephen92506 first 600 miles, no shifts over 2000 rpms.. Also breaks in the transmission properly. Engine will be good for 300k easily.
@@djs18 I'm up to 400 miles. Can't say I haven't been over 2k but certainly staying under 4k. 2k in first gear is like 5mph 😂. It's such an amazing machine though.
Imagine if you're just an average person who has to save so much money just be able to afford a 25k to 35k sport car, and you'd have decided to go with that Hyundai after you've looked at both the CTR and the Hyundai. Just something to think about
Which one has the better exhaust note?
ask the neighbours: TypeR.
@@ms9549 LOL. You have good sense of humor. :)
RIP Rockingham. Always enjoyed going there
the true GTi is the 308...i don't understand why the N has this visibility...
Just stop it, no one wants the 308 except the French....
@@drsnowmon big lol...in the end the 308 is faster then the N...so yeah ;)
Why I30n was on Michelins not Pirellis with HN homologation ?
Hyundai is using two trims for the Veloster N, where one has a wheel package with the Michelin PSS and one with the Pirelli P Zero. My guess is the i30N likely has a similar structure option-wise.
@@npaul4171 nope. I have i30N performance on Pirellis, and each one i know from Facebook groups or instagram has Pirellis. In my opinion EVO cheated. On Pirellis made to to it i30N would be faster and better in corners. Mine never moved like this on a track. I am rally codriver for 15 years and I work as instructor on a track.
That Honda will live with you for long time.
It’s also down to thes and those MPSS Tyres arent the best on a wet surface
Never forget: Han : You're representing me now. What you think, I'm gonna let you roll in a Hyundai?
308 gti is stil the only hot hatch that can get close to the lap times the type R does that with 40 hp less and alot less torque
Because it's soo god damn light
Kenneth Dike because of short tracks lol ,
you can tell he is taking different lines on the i30N especially at 6:01... put a real driver behind the wheels on both cars.
I love my polished metal grey type R, wonderful car, with the Remus excaust brilliant sound, best hot hatch ever!!
Lol @ "proper e diff". Either it's proper or electronic.
No, there's electronic assistance to try and copy the effect of a LSD (similar to torque vectoring by braking) and then there's an actual electronically controlled LSD.
I think this is one of the most relevant comparisons to date. The Hyundai is an amazing car, it's consistently out ranking cars in its class, and in some comparisons it's chosen ahead of the Type R because its performance is somewhere between the Fiesta ST, an amazing car btw, and the Type R. If you remember that you can tip the Fiesta ST into a roundabout at normal speeds and mess around with a bit of lift off oversteer, you can see the benefit in the comparison. The Type R is way to planted to be playful at normal road speeds. The Hyundai is also a lot cheaper. More on that in a bit.
The Type R though is magic. Literal magic. I get slightly annoyed when reviewers take something like the Focus RS (also brilliant) and like the fact it's skittish, unstable basically. The Type R is planted. It's also a nice place to be. It's not Audi RS3 quality, although the seat position is better, but it's 15k less than an RS3 if you want optional extras like windows. It's lap times are also much closer to the RS3 than the Hyundai is to the Type R. Even here, the RS3 is quicker in a straight line, but it's not quicker through corners.
And this is the thing about price. I have the Type R. I could afford an RS3, but would I enjoy it 15k more? That's 30 track days. 10ish nice holidays. I'm not wealthy enough for that to not be a consideration. So you can make the same argument for the Hyundai. Is the Type R 7k more fun? Is the Hyundai 5k more fun than a Fiesta ST?
The Type R was always going to win, but they are two cars I consistently hear people looking for a new car compare, and it always does a great job at representing itself against cars that are significantly more expensive.
I totally concur. In fact this is one of the most sensible comments I've read for a while!
Hope you enjoy your unbelievably brilliant Type R! I am certainly enjoying my i30N! 🙂
Best
Steve
Damn you are the best comment that I read in this video
Sutcliffe is a national treasure, as is Catchpole.
Would be interesting to see the 130 vs the first turbo Type R. Can we have a Yaris GRMN Vs a Golf GTI Clubsport S next please if we are now doing unfair deadliest rivals.
That Type R is incredible, clearly in a class of its own, probably against any FWD hot hatch ever as far as performance goes. The i30 N is wonderfully enjoyable to drive (and listen to), and seems closer to the likes of the Megane RS, if the Lovecars Llandow race is anything to go by.
Give me the i30N for 2 reasons;
It looks amazing.
It doesn't look like the Civic.
Actually make it 3 reasons;
It doesn't sound like a 2008 Honda Element.
Me too, I would be embarassed to drive the civic, its maybe better engineered but it looks like a toy, I bet if Back to the future is filmed today, that would be the car
Ok, all the I30N needs is a remap - tuning boxes are getting 300bhp and 450nm torque. And it would compete with the Type R on track, as the handling/chassis etc are all very good. I’d say more closer rivals are the Focus ST, Megane RS and GTI Performance Pack. Plus, so much depends on tyre choice....
All the Type R needs is a tune to get to 400 HP and TQ pretty much...back to square 1
Ermm... you mentioned hot hatch’s however there were only two on show. Am I missing something.....
The hyundai is a tweener car that slots for the market in between the si and ctr. It's a wrx fighter
The CTR is exactly what it should be. And it performs like it should.
Good in track: Type R, good in everyday driving: i30n.
I suspect the Veloster N would have a slight advantage over Type-R in the wet. I'm looking forward to that comparison.
TypeR is playing in an other league...
simply league of its own
Auch hier finde ich dich wieder
I have my Type R. This car is at least visually different from the Einheitsbrei Focus, GTI and Hyundai. Thanks Honda always shows courage. Either you love this car or you hate it. It is always exciting.
I definitely respect EVO not comparing the i30 N against a BASE VW GTI w/diff as the Australians have been doing and then hailing the Hyundai as "NEW KING OF THE HATCHBACKS". I asked why not compare it to a CLUBSPORT and the reviewer replied "because VW doesn't make the Clubsport anymore" and i replied " Because you know a Clubsport would SLAY your new KING!
Because Clubsport doesn't exist in Australia in 2018.... Is that so hard to understand?
I definitely understand but its not a fair comparison at the end of the day, a base GTI w/ 50hp less?
Where I live, the price difference of Type R is 20k from I30N.....
That was a surprisingly large delta.
look a this cornerspeed from the N - the Civic is only pulling away on straight line, give that N more power so it will be faster or same
"It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile.Winning's winning."
you completely missed the last curve in the I30N...
I don't know how you compare two cars which has difference about 40-50hp, it is not like they are 800 and 840 or something ...
My hope is that Hyundai builds a Veloster N and i30N tier designed specifically to compete with the CTR. If Hyundai did this, I think it would disrupt the existing pricing-performance ratio currently within this and similar segments. Further, Hyundai's willingness to warranty their track-oriented cars even with amateur track usage may result in other Makes reconsidering their warranties to our benefit.
Are you for real... Maybe test it against a GTI, ST, or SI... But a Type R was not fair at all...
The N is in an odd spot. It would definitely destroy the gti, si and st. It's much closer to the type r. Honestly a fair comparison would be the wrx( i know it's awd, but the type r has been killing those and I'm sure the N can too.).
I like where Hyundai put it, which is right in that sweet spot. If you're shopping for a new car it's just a bit more than the other models on the lot. Attainable. The problem with the arms race is that the R, RS, STI, and Type R, are that they are laughably expensive and complex. Wife recently bought a GTI, and it is just a fun car that she enjoys. It doesn't have to be crazy fast and insanely expensive to be nice & fun.
That's true but for those that want that extra bit of crazy those cars exist. Personally i think the type r is perfectly priced( as long as you buy at sticker not mark up).
i30N even got wasted by the 308GTi (see autoexpress track test) yet the hype continues.
Yeah but who wants a 308 except for the French lmao
Someone who’s actually driven both cars and finds the 308 more economical, more nimble/responsive and lighter on it’s feet?
Can we get this in the dry
Difference between the R and the Hyundai? You will actually be able to get the Hyundai for a reasonable price. Also, at 6'3" I cannot even come close to fitting in the Type-R! I'd have to literally lose my head to fit in (assuming the Type-R interior dimensions are the same as an Si - couldn't even find a Type-R to sit in when I was new car shopping). Here in the States, used Type-Rs are still going for $2-3K over MSRP!! I'll be settling for a used RS or STI for an $8K savings for similar or superior performance.
Another beautiful, high quality, no-nonsense film from EVO - love it!
Headspace in the Civic can actually be abundant (the driver seat can go very low).
I think the real surprise here is that a hyundai came within 4 seconds of a finish from a "type r" that's the real accomplishment here.
There is always a massive tyre difference when these folk do performance tests. It's just unbelievable how unfair some of the tests are.
Alexander Barr what is unfair about these tyre sets?
If the track were dry, the type-r would have beat that Hyundai by 6 seconds.
maybe 7
Can't compare type r and i30n.. we all know the nurburging record of type r , so compare it with a lamborgini huracan on track..
Please offer more accurate data on cars, factory tends to rate cars much lower for both power and 0-60. Honda Civic type R’s tend to have 0-60 times around 5.2 seconds, not 5.9.
The weight of the i30N Performance must be wrong. According to the datasheet it's between 1504-1584Kg. So the difference between both cars is 120(+)Kg. And thats massive!!
Two great cars ultimately better than what Europe has to offer.
Every British car review starts with: "Unfortunately it's soaking wet today"
I would argue that 4 sec is not a big deal, in the end we hot-hatch buyers are not racing other than occasional track days and we actually pay for the car we are buying.
But the hyundais rival is the focus st gti which i believe it beats both
Next please golf R vs lancer evo X
In the last corner the driver brake to hard with the hyundai and he lost 2-3 sec to accelerate again and he take the corner to much open out of the normal line of the track (sorry for my english)
Why do I feel like many fwd sport car reviews are on wet pavement
I'm still enjoying my 1999 Integra Type R. Coming up to 300,000 Kms and I've never touched the engine. I rev it to 9,000 revs and it just keeps going. However, this is a 20 year old car and technology has come a long way. The best performance car must be AWD. Front wheel drive performance is for me, a compromise. As for it's looks, the new Civic Type R is absolutely ugly. I couldn't buy it, simply because of its looks....sorry!
👏fantastic car 🌌
Though considering the price and every day usability..i'd rather prefer the i30N and if u like..put a stage-3 tuning (350hp and +500NM) combined with a KW-suspension..and the original Pirelli P Zero's...we'll see if the Type-R will still follow the i30N .. :) and...do the comparing again on the dry ... ;)
i think the vw gti clubsport s or top of the line seat cupra would make a better rival to the honda...
Honda has been at this a long time.
4 seconds a lap, 50 lap race thats 200 seconds ahead.. 3:20 minute lead.. yeah im blessed i have the type r
“Quite a lot heavier...” (2:05)??? It’s less than 50kg heavier. The weight of a child or small woman. The difference in weight between 3/4 full and 3/4 empty tank of fuel. Frankly, if 50kg weight penalty is “quite a lot” then the 20kg penalty this driver gives up to, say, Lewis Hamilton would also skew the results.
1 video a month is it evo? These RUclips care channels have fallen off so badly, autocar, auto express, evo etc... individual RUclips channels an car wow showing what can be achieved with decent and consistent content