The game was so much harder in this era: tiny sweet spot rackets, weaker guts, faster balls, uneven court bounces. Amazing how much control they had. Edberg was a pure athlete and is one of the game's greatest movers.
graham doyle Never liked him. But he had game. Mac was my fave and edberg Such a close 2nd. I thought conners was a goof too But again he had heart I was working my serve today. Oohf. Youth is king. Ol serve and volley is the breakaway of hockey
Loved Lendl and despised McEnroe. When I saw his pouting, arrogant, entitled New York brat face complaining about this or that, I always hoped he would lose. Connors was a complete asshole as a person, even McEnroe who respected him says so, and Edberg was nice but also the most boring man alive.
Lendl was beaten in wimbeldon from 1986 to 1990 by Boris Becker( Born year 1967)Stefan Edberg (1966)and Pat cash (1965) who are 7,6 and 5 years younger respectively than Ivan Lendl(1960) and were natural serve and volley players and their game was best suited for grass Courts,hence his defeats against them were not yet all surprising.Lendl has won every conceivable tournament on the earth,except Wimbeldon.But at the end he coached Andy Murray to win Wimbeldon in 2013 which might have given him immense satisfaction.Ivan Lendl participated in 19 grand slam finals which is 4th highest in the history of Professional Tennis ( 1968 till date)behind Rafel Nadal(28),Novak Diojkovic(30) and Roger Federer (31).Ivan Lendl's place as one of the all time greats is fully deserving,no dispute, eventhouh he could not win Wimbeldon.
This was the year Ivan Lendl went all-in in an attempt to win Wimbledon! He won the Australian Open and skipped the French Open to put all the grass court training and effort to win this event. Lendl went to a heavier racket to improve his volley. It was all for naught when Stefan Edberg dismissed him in straight sets.
@@grahamdoyle6701 You are absolutely right. I was there watching that match and everyone in that audience felt it was Lendl's day - he just had the better of Becker who was tense while Lendl was, until late in the 4th, actually just really business like. That call was awful but even more crucial I think overall was the rain break because you felt when Becker came back Tiriac had had clear words and Becker had regrouped to a degree. Nevertheless yes, awful call. This was in fact the closest Lendl came to winning Wimbledon in terms of his overall level which was higher than in the 86 & 87 finals in my view. For that reason, given he beat Edberg in 87, I would definately have had him winning against him as Becker did of course, in the 89 final.
@@jonmortimer5831 Disagree. Edberg beat McEnroe in the Semis and was only slightly better but was a masterclass nevertheless. The only man who could have beaten Edberg that year was an in form Becker, which indeed happened. Lendl, had he been to final, would have been dismissed. Edberg was in all sorts of trouble with Becker’s big serve in the final, with Lendl he wouldn’t have such a trouble.
Lendl tried his all in 1990. He won Queens, and really knocked Becker in the finals. But i think he blew his two big chances, he was sloppy against Cash in -87 and he had pinned Becker in -89 but he let him go. I would say that -89 was his biggest chance because he played really well and dominated Becker, and was in the "zone" where everything worked for him, and then we got rain.
I think he would had a chance in 86 if he had stayed away from the net, his passing shots was awesome in the first set but his volley awful so he lost his initial grip of the match.
It was the rain in 89 that did him in but he would of only had a day to recover to play the final, think the semi final was played on a Saturday if I remember correctly
True. But it was weaker than some of the best forehands like Lendl's and Agassi's. Edberg's strength was at the net. Tough to get the ball past or over him. Truly a stud!
I watched this match live and it was evident after that second set tie brake that Lendl would never stand a chance to win Wimbledon in the remaining years he had left. Edberg made Lendl’s serve look like a college player serve in that second set tiebrake. Alas, Lendl’s game (even serve) was not tailored for grass.
Stefan Edberg was unbeatable on grass those days. Ledl was very unlucky, because he battled against some of best volley players of all time in Wimbledon (Cash, Becker and Edberg). And back then, only serve and volley players had chance of winning (Agassi broke that rule).
Agassi hit ball as soon it bounces and that helped him on grass. Courier, another baseliners, had short movements in his tennis strokes, which allow him to reach WB final in 1993, even defeating the same Edber in SF.
Lendl made all the preparations to win in 1990 and he was very impressive at Queens that year. But he really should have won Wimbledon in 1987 where he beat Edberg in the semis in a great match, but lost to one hit wonderer Pat Cash in the final. Cash only won a total of 6 tournaments in his career.
Pat Cash was not a "One Hit Wonderer". He Won the Davis Cup twice for Australia in 83 and 86, when the Davis Cup counted a lot, it was a very important tournament then. Also he reached the Australian Open final TWICE, in 1987 & 88 losing both 5 setters, to Edberg and Wilander. He also reached the US Open semifinals twice, losing to McEnroe in 84 in a very close one, he should have won it. Pat Cash had a lot of injuries who stopped his career a lot of times, but he managed to rise to #4 in the world in 1987-88. One of the greatest volleyers ever, the finals against Lendl in 87 would forever be remembered as one the finest displays of serve & volley ever.
Amazing tennis. Edberg was such a great player. Lendl a gentleman in defeat. Must have hurt badly given he knew his chances of winning Wimbledon were running out.
Edberg's serve wasn't quick (110-115mph) but he got a massive kick out of it. The ball kicked up 6 to 8 feet and with the uneven surface bounce that was hard to play. Add to that he was one of the fastest players to play the game and you have a serve/volley machine.
I cried like any think I went for apprentices operation next day morning, I am praying for Ivan lendl s wins,then after operation I came to know lendl lost in semiz and I cried then I lost hope the father of modern tennis Ivan lendl no chance of winning of big Wimbledon,
Lendl had dominated Edberg in the biggest matches during the 80s, beating him fairly comfortably in the USO semi's in both '86 and '87, as well as in the Wimbledon semi's in '87 and the Australian final in January '90. But it was understood that the younger player's day to get a measure of revenge would eventually arrive. This straight-sets defeat was Lendl's last hurrah in his remarkable run at Wimbledon that saw him reach 6 semifinals and 2 finals in a 7-year span.
@@nillejoslin In trying to glorify Lendl Will conveniently brushes aside Edberg's performances. In 1985 Edberg beat Lendl in the Aus Open semis. The 1990 Aus Open was his till injury struck. Even in Wimbledon 1987 it was tough four set encounter, and not easy for Will's favorite by any means. Lendl only won the 1986 US Open semis encounter comfortably. Also, even at his peak Lendl never had a dominating head to head against the Swede. Am not undermining Lendl here by any means. He is a great champion, and won more titles than Becker and Edberg combined. But his workmanlike game, lack of personality and losing to his arch rivals on bigger occasions has ensured his name will always come behind the likes of Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg and the likes when the discussion is about all-time greats.
@@soyouseethis Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Lendl is normally ranked ahead of Becker and Edberg and sometimes ahead of McEnroe and Connors (it's close).
@@soyouseethis ..who decides that Lendl's name will come behind all those names you have mentioned..you😀? Lendl spent 270 weeks at No 1, more than Connors and everyone else He won 5 Masters, 9 finals He won 3 US open, 8 finals 8 GS..equalled only by Connors.. Only player to have a 90% win loss record for most no of years. He dominated perhaps the most competitive era of tennis..also character is more important than personality..though host of fans felt he had a aristocratic and regal presence on court especially post 85.. so again there are differing opinions on that..it seems like you need to get your facts right on Becker Edberg Mcnroe, Connors vs Lendl..all are behind him clearly.
@@JD-jc8gp excellent point, lendl is above all amongst his peers be it mac, Becker, Connors or edberg or wilander. This i say despite being wilander fan. His record speak for themselves and he had had better head to head record. He played real hard and I sale Ivan for this.
People often ask how peak Edberg(and Becker/Sampras) would have handled baseline huggers like Nadal and Djokovic. The answer is at @6:59. Putting aside variables like raquets,balls and court surfaces ,sluggers like Nadal and Djokovic never had to face volleying maestros like McEnroe,Sampras,Becker and Edberg. Suck the slugger into the net(like Edberg does to Lendl a@ 6:59)......then let your volleying magic do the rest.
The only guy from the current era who would have done well is Federer because he copied Edberg's attacking game. I can't discount Novak and Rafa because they're pure athletes but their net game and attacking senses have not been tested at all for the entire careers. This was a different game altogether.
Lendl.....if only........to win the slams, you have to beat the best players on that surface....sadly for Lendl, at wimbledon, he always narrowly missed out several times....most of the time either edberg or becker got him, sadly in the years that he got either of them or didnt have to face them, someone else came forward to knock him out.. the most famous of these "some one else" happened to be in 1987, when Becker lost to Doohan, and Lendl beat edberg in semis to reach the final, but lost to Pat Cash. With due respect to Cash, he was a great serve volleyer, but in hindsight youve got to feel 1987 had to be Lendls year...wasnt to be. if you can beat Wilander, Connors and Lendl all in straight sets, you must be really good. That was Cash in 1987. Cash won very few tournaments in his career, but one of them was the big one at SW19.
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The game was so much harder in this era: tiny sweet spot rackets, weaker guts, faster balls, uneven court bounces. Amazing how much control they had. Edberg was a pure athlete and is one of the game's greatest movers.
Nice handshake from Lendl. Think everyone liked Stefan.
Rarely Lendl smiles in this way to the opponent, in this case he lost but he had the intelligence to understand that Edberg was at his top
graham doyle Never liked him. But he had game. Mac was my fave and edberg Such a close 2nd. I thought conners was a goof too But again he had heart I was working my serve today. Oohf. Youth is king. Ol serve and volley is the breakaway of hockey
Loved Lendl and despised McEnroe. When I saw his pouting, arrogant, entitled New York brat face complaining about this or that, I always hoped he would lose. Connors was a complete asshole as a person, even McEnroe who respected him says so, and Edberg was nice but also the most boring man alive.
surprised at that
the best edberg of ever
Lendl was beaten in wimbeldon from 1986 to 1990 by Boris Becker( Born year 1967)Stefan Edberg (1966)and Pat cash (1965) who are 7,6 and 5 years younger respectively than Ivan Lendl(1960) and were natural serve and volley players and their game was best suited for grass Courts,hence his defeats against them were not yet all surprising.Lendl has won every conceivable tournament on the earth,except Wimbeldon.But at the end he coached Andy Murray to win Wimbeldon in 2013 which might have given him immense satisfaction.Ivan Lendl participated in 19 grand slam finals which is 4th highest in the history of Professional Tennis ( 1968 till date)behind Rafel Nadal(28),Novak Diojkovic(30) and Roger Federer (31).Ivan Lendl's place as one of the all time greats is fully deserving,no dispute, eventhouh he could not win Wimbeldon.
This was the year Ivan Lendl went all-in in an attempt to win Wimbledon! He won the Australian Open and skipped the French Open to put all the grass court training and effort to win this event. Lendl went to a heavier racket to improve his volley. It was all for naught when Stefan Edberg dismissed him in straight sets.
He was unlucky against Becker in '89. He was 2 sets to 1 up and a terrible call on his serve late in the 4th set let Boris back in...
graham doyle yeah line judging was garbage that match
@@grahamdoyle6701 You are absolutely right. I was there watching that match and everyone in that audience felt it was Lendl's day - he just had the better of Becker who was tense while Lendl was, until late in the 4th, actually just really business like. That call was awful but even more crucial I think overall was the rain break because you felt when Becker came back Tiriac had had clear words and Becker had regrouped to a degree. Nevertheless yes, awful call. This was in fact the closest Lendl came to winning Wimbledon in terms of his overall level which was higher than in the 86 & 87 finals in my view. For that reason, given he beat Edberg in 87, I would definately have had him winning against him as Becker did of course, in the 89 final.
@@jonmortimer5831 Disagree. Edberg beat McEnroe in the Semis and was only slightly better but was a masterclass nevertheless. The only man who could have beaten Edberg that year was an in form Becker, which indeed happened. Lendl, had he been to final, would have been dismissed. Edberg was in all sorts of trouble with Becker’s big serve in the final, with Lendl he wouldn’t have such a trouble.
@@jonmortimer5831 totally agree! Didn't Lendl win Queens club that year beating Becker on the way? His best form on grass for sure.
Lendl tried his all in 1990. He won Queens, and really knocked Becker in the finals. But i think he blew his two big chances, he was sloppy against Cash in -87 and he had pinned Becker in -89 but he let him go. I would say that -89 was his biggest chance because he played really well and dominated Becker, and was in the "zone" where everything worked for him, and then we got rain.
I think he would had a chance in 86 if he had stayed away from the net, his passing shots was awesome in the first set but his volley awful so he lost his initial grip of the match.
Still had to beat Edberg...
It was the rain in 89 that did him in but he would of only had a day to recover to play the final, think the semi final was played on a Saturday if I remember correctly
Cash wasnt Easy to best.
He beat Lendl again in 1988 at Australian Open.
When he had to win he knew how to do.
Edberg’s forehand not nearly as bad as some people think.
True. But it was weaker than some of the best forehands like Lendl's and Agassi's. Edberg's strength was at the net. Tough to get the ball past or over him. Truly a stud!
I used to love both their trademark t-shirts as a kid😇
would love to see footage of the other semi - boris v ivanisevic but can't find it anywhere on youtube
Edberg the best pure volleyer in history.
Not even close to McEnroe.
fundhund62 lol... wrong, very close, even Mc Enroe said so!!!
@iamtman absolutely true fact!!👍👍👍
@@fundhund62 McEnwho?
Henri Leconte
I watched this match live and it was evident after that second set tie brake that Lendl would never stand a chance to win Wimbledon in the remaining years he had left. Edberg made Lendl’s serve look like a college player serve in that second set tiebrake. Alas, Lendl’s game (even serve) was not tailored for grass.
Stefan Edberg was unbeatable on grass those days. Ledl was very unlucky, because he battled against some of best volley players of all time in Wimbledon (Cash, Becker and Edberg). And back then, only serve and volley players had chance of winning (Agassi broke that rule).
Agassi hit ball as soon it bounces and that helped him on grass. Courier, another baseliners, had short movements in his tennis strokes, which allow him to reach WB final in 1993, even defeating the same Edber in SF.
Agassi broke that rule, because Ivanisevic did make it happen.
Lendl made all the preparations to win in 1990 and he was very impressive at Queens that year. But he really should have won Wimbledon in 1987 where he beat Edberg in the semis in a great match, but lost to one hit wonderer Pat Cash in the final. Cash only won a total of 6 tournaments in his career.
Pat Cash was not a "One Hit Wonderer". He Won the Davis Cup twice for Australia in 83 and 86, when the Davis Cup counted a lot, it was a very important tournament then.
Also he reached the Australian Open final TWICE, in 1987 & 88 losing both 5 setters, to Edberg and Wilander. He also reached the US Open semifinals twice, losing to McEnroe in 84 in a very close one, he should have won it.
Pat Cash had a lot of injuries who stopped his career a lot of times, but he managed to rise to #4 in the world in 1987-88. One of the greatest volleyers ever, the finals against Lendl in 87 would forever be remembered as one the finest displays of serve & volley ever.
Cash was a great athlete and grass court player. Bad match up for Lendl.
Wow the Pat Cash comment - cringe
Lendl losing to Cash. Edberg losing to Chang in Paris. Those two came so close to the career gs ….
"Will he ever don the Wimbledon crown?"
Answer: not as a player, but as a coach. More than once
It was very difficult to NOT like Edberg even for a Becker fan like me
Edberg’s returns and passing shots were out of sight in this event.
Amazing tennis. Edberg was such a great player. Lendl a gentleman in defeat. Must have hurt badly given he knew his chances of winning Wimbledon were running out.
Edberg in 1990 is the last time a serve/volley player won Wimbledon without a big serve
Till Goran won it??
@@naaveenmahadeshwar7889 "without a big serve"
Naaveen Mahadeshwar Gorman had a huge serve!
Interesting observation.
Edberg's serve wasn't quick (110-115mph) but he got a massive kick out of it. The ball kicked up 6 to 8 feet and with the uneven surface bounce that was hard to play. Add to that he was one of the fastest players to play the game and you have a serve/volley machine.
What kind of Raquet is Lendl playing? Looks like he changed to a bigger headsize for this Tournament
He used to use a custom Adidas racket but then switched to Mizuno at some point.
I cried like any think I went for apprentices operation next day morning, I am praying for Ivan lendl s wins,then after operation I came to know lendl lost in semiz and I cried then I lost hope the father of modern tennis Ivan lendl no chance of winning of big Wimbledon,
It looks, that Lendl did not play that 90 sqi Mizuno racquet, what he played at Queens two weeks before. It looks like a smaller headsize.
Lendl had dominated Edberg in the biggest matches during the 80s, beating him fairly comfortably in the USO semi's in both '86 and '87, as well as in the Wimbledon semi's in '87 and the Australian final in January '90. But it was understood that the younger player's day to get a measure of revenge would eventually arrive. This straight-sets defeat was Lendl's last hurrah in his remarkable run at Wimbledon that saw him reach 6 semifinals and 2 finals in a 7-year span.
Edberg dominated the AO final in 1990 until he had to give up for injury.
@@nillejoslin In trying to glorify Lendl Will conveniently brushes aside Edberg's performances.
In 1985 Edberg beat Lendl in the Aus Open semis.
The 1990 Aus Open was his till injury struck.
Even in Wimbledon 1987 it was tough four set encounter, and not easy for Will's favorite by any means.
Lendl only won the 1986 US Open semis encounter comfortably.
Also, even at his peak Lendl never had a dominating head to head against the Swede.
Am not undermining Lendl here by any means. He is a great champion, and won more titles than Becker and Edberg combined.
But his workmanlike game, lack of personality and losing to his arch rivals on bigger occasions has ensured his name will always come behind the likes of Connors, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg and the likes when the discussion is about all-time greats.
@@soyouseethis Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Lendl is normally ranked ahead of Becker and Edberg and sometimes ahead of McEnroe and Connors (it's close).
@@soyouseethis ..who decides that Lendl's name will come behind all those names you have mentioned..you😀?
Lendl spent 270 weeks at No 1, more than Connors and everyone else
He won 5 Masters, 9 finals
He won 3 US open, 8 finals
8 GS..equalled only by Connors..
Only player to have a 90% win loss record for most no of years.
He dominated perhaps the most competitive era of tennis..also character is more important than personality..though host of fans felt he had a aristocratic and regal presence on court especially post 85.. so again there are differing opinions on that..it seems like you need to get your facts right on Becker Edberg Mcnroe, Connors vs Lendl..all are behind him clearly.
@@JD-jc8gp excellent point, lendl is above all amongst his peers be it mac, Becker, Connors or edberg or wilander. This i say despite being wilander fan. His record speak for themselves and he had had better head to head record. He played real hard and I sale Ivan for this.
I have a bad left elbow and want to Learn Lendl groundstrokes again. Velmi dobje
Grande edberg
People often ask how peak Edberg(and Becker/Sampras) would have handled baseline huggers like Nadal and Djokovic.
The answer is at @6:59.
Putting aside variables like raquets,balls and court surfaces ,sluggers like Nadal and Djokovic never had to face volleying maestros like McEnroe,Sampras,Becker and Edberg.
Suck the slugger into the net(like Edberg does to Lendl a@ 6:59)......then let your volleying magic do the rest.
The only guy from the current era who would have done well is Federer because he copied Edberg's attacking game. I can't discount Novak and Rafa because they're pure athletes but their net game and attacking senses have not been tested at all for the entire careers. This was a different game altogether.
On Grass; Edberg, McEnroe, Ivanisivic, Sampras, and Rafter would slaughter Nadal and Djokovic.
Le tennis que j'aimais : Edberg et son service volée , les cheveux au vent , l'élégance et l'efficacité.
Lendl.....if only........to win the slams, you have to beat the best players on that surface....sadly for Lendl, at wimbledon, he always narrowly missed out several times....most of the time either edberg or becker got him, sadly in the years that he got either of them or didnt have to face them, someone else came forward to knock him out..
the most famous of these "some one else" happened to be in 1987, when Becker lost to Doohan, and Lendl beat edberg in semis to reach the final, but lost to Pat Cash. With due respect to Cash, he was a great serve volleyer, but in hindsight youve got to feel 1987 had to be Lendls year...wasnt to be.
if you can beat Wilander, Connors and Lendl all in straight sets, you must be really good. That was Cash in 1987. Cash won very few tournaments in his career, but one of them was the big one at SW19.
I wonder what Dan Maskell would've made of Federer? Oh I say...🔥
Auf Rasen konnte es Ivan Lendl nicht. 😂
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