Ivan Lendl v Stefan Edberg - Australian Open 1985 Semifinal | AO Classics
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Edberg and Federer are my favorites players forever.
The epitome of beauty of 🎾
Edberg yes, Federer not so much.
Absolutely right. Unquestionably the two most beautiful players ever .
My favorite players of every era: McEnroe, Edberg, Rios, Kuerten, Sampras, Federer, Alcaraz.
PS: Nalbandian
it surely was a sad day when they decided they want to play AO on hardcourt, look at the grass, it looks so magnificent
ahmad I like grass court tennis but Australia would have lost a Grand Slam if they didn’t modernize. Now Aussie is the best run slam imo and I’m an American.
@@vivahernando1 Well, they MIGHT have lost a slam if they didnt come up with a newer and bigger venue to compete with the other grand slams.
They could have made Melbourne Park a grass venue, but the upkeep of 20 grass courts is obviously much more expensive than rebound ace, especially after the initial installation.
I wish they would have kept it grass. Look, Wimbledon will always be king, but tennis was popularized on grass, and theres only a few tournaments left on that surface. I think its a shame.
I had the same thought. They went from this beauty to that ugly green piece of rubber they call a hardcourt.
And now grass court doesnt even resemble the old grass court. Sad
True, they exchanged the green with the synthetic hardcourts you get also everywhere else.......let alone the rise of temperature on hardcourts under the Australian sun
Great upload!! I was 8 or 9 and never saw this match. Grew up watching Edberg and tried to emulate those kick serves.. he was the epitome of cool
Edberg was awesome, and is one of the best volleyers of all time.
Sadly in todays game, where everyone and their mother, stays back 90 percent of the time, you might not ever see a player like him.
Dude was even coming in on every second serve lol.
IKR. I miss him and Becker so much. Also Henri Leconte. Guys who would look to get into the net as quickly as possible, even on clay. Tennis is so boring now because everybody baselines with muscle groundstrokes. I think it's the only style taught at the academies so the young players just don't do serve and volley anymore.
Stefan was just flat out beating Ivan and Ivan was NOT happy and even rarely showing his menstrual cycle
I loved this rivalry. Both amazing players. LEGENDS
@@thadtuiol1717 Best example was Fritz vs Keraminovic 2 days ago. Horrible! Boring! Brainless hitting from the baseline!
I'm light years away from that kind of level of play, but my serve is way better than the rest of my game and I started playing a lot of doubles this year... In the past 4 singles matches I played, I must have S&V on 80% of my service points -- usually off a kick or slice, often on second serves. I won 3 of the 4 matches.
Thing is that I usually get a really nasty bounce on that ball. Even against better players, I feel confident I have the advantage. An okay kick serve against amateurs is really putting them in a tough spot: you have to go almost for broke on a really tough ball to return.
@@stephanesurprenant60 Pretty cool story. I think serve and volley can still be an excellent tactic against amateur players. Your average club player is going to have a difficult time having the goods all the time in terms of passing shots.
I simply dont understand why people come over and shower praise over the serve and volley match style.
They very conveniently overlook the number of unforced errors in these matches, the lack of power play, the astonishingly quick finish of points (very rarely a point goes for more than 5 shot rally) and most importantly the chang the court surfaces has undergone over the years
elegance!
Funny to see both wearing the same Polo Shirt ( Stefan didn't have his own adidas collection in that time, the famous "SE" started in 87 when he won this Open again)
The best Grand Slam RUclips channel, nice job!
Wilson ProStaff 85:)
best racquet ever!
$3k now
Federer used it.
@@masters.1000 So did Sampras.
How gorgeous Edberg was!!!
I miss Grass Courts and Serve and Volley so much
Today's Tennis is BORING! Virtually every player plays the same style on every type of surface.
@11:55 you can see Don Budge. The first player to ever win the Grand slam. Did it back in 1938!
In some ways it's surprising that Lendl didn't do better at the Australian open on grass, especially since Mats Wilander won it twice on grass and some of the other players didn't play the Australian open in those days - his path was always Becker, Connors and McEnroe free then. The pace and bounce of he court there was different to Wimbledon - slower with a higher bounce, so more like a hard court. I think it was a case of Lendl simply not believing that he could do well on grass at that point. He had some bad losses there on grass, including a 6-1, 6-4, 6-4 loss to Wilander in 1983 in which seemed to completely collapse mentally.
Lendl had very poor volleying, you can see in this match, his volleying looked so amateurish compared to the finesse of Edberg. Lendl had mental fortitude, will to win but simply didn't have the game to take on serve and volleyers consistently on grass. Poor guy, even skipped French open twice to prepare for Wimbledon even laying similar type of grass in his yard but all those efforts proved futile at the last hurdle. Also, during hos time he had to play against grasscourt stars like Becker. Edberg, Cash and so.on.
But, Lendl gave it all, probably similar in resilience to Nadal or Djokovic. Great champion whose only blot was not to conquer Wimbledon.
Ivan was Agassi early on. He lost his first four GS finals, and choked in a few of them.
such beautiful and elegant clothing. Modern tennis apparel is trash in front of this.
You can see why Lendl could never win Wimbledon - his netplay and volleying on faster courts was a major liability for him
I remembered Lendl as a great player but apparently, I missed out on the fact that he was a crybaby with very little or no sportsmanship. Blaming the Umpires after every lost point is one thing and annoying for sure but hitting the ball toward your opponent's body with all the strength you got by the net in close range is inexcusable. Yes, the intent is almost impossible to prove but sometimes all you need is the body language. Thank you, Edberg, for not letting Lendl's childish tantrums and intentional abuse to get under your skin, and more importantly, a big thumbs up for always maintaining your sportsmanship. You are the one that I will watch with my kids for their education.
Great match from Edberg!
When Edberg wins a point, the camera shows each time his girlfriend, for example: 22:27, 24:14...
She's so fine. Lucky Edberg
Only 2 years old so missed all these great matchups during the 80's, thanks for uploading
You type well for a 2 year-old :)
It was a glorious time in tennis ... the time when I learned to play (and compete in) a sport that can be played for a lifetime. I'm glad that you can recognize greatness.
ahh beaut tennis, when men were men and shorts were shorts!! edbergs backhand was a dream and lendl was the man to beat!
when did they stop playing on grass in the Australian Open?
edit: 1987 was final one
レンドルが見ていてかわいそうになってきた。でもエドバーグの動きについていけなくてなげやりになっているところがあるように思える。
Edberg,vilken elegant spelare.Sveriges bästa och ödmjukaste spelare.
Lendl's attempt to play serve-and-volley on grass is one of the worst strategic decisions in tennis history. He had a legendary baseline game but he was a bad volleyer... today's players have shown that S&V on grass is absolutely unnecessary. If Lendl had just stayed back and played his normal style, he'd probably have 2 or 3 Wimbledon trophies in his closet.
The surface was vastly different in those days. A baseline game got nowhere on the super slick low bouncing grass. Lendl gave it everything to adapt but volleying is an art form to be taught early. There were so many great serve and volley players in those days and play did not merely consist of robotic and attritional hitting as we have from most players today. The tragedy is that nobody picked up from when say Navratilova or Sampras left off. Only Federer can really serve and volley consistently. The rest use the tactic very occasionally. The women's game in particular has only Barty with any variety and volleying skills. The rest are just one paced hitters.
@@Fontsman Great post; absolutely spot on.In the 21 years before the courts were slowed after 2001, serve -and- volleyers won Wimbledon 19 times (McEnroe, Becker, Cash, Edberg, Stich, Sampras, Krajicek and Ivanisevic), baseliners just twice.I saw them all. Djokovic's baseline game wouldn't have won any Wimbledons back then; equally Lendl's baseline game may well have got him a few Wimbledons on these rubbish slowed-down apologies for grass courts with no great serve-and-volleyers coming at him.
Spot on too about women's tennis which has largely been one-dimensional for years.
No, he wouldn't. The grass in late 80s and early 90s is entirely different surface to the grass today. I actually think if they play on 80s to 90s grass Federer probably have just as many Wimbledon as he does right now but Djokovic and Nadal would have significantly less, particularly Nadal. Lendl hated the uneven bounce on the grass court he did not have the natural improvisation to return consistently. He is a good volleyer through a lot of training drilling with Tony Roche but he was never a natural volleyer like Edberg or Cash, he can deal with anything above the net but he sort of standing up on the low volleys.
Lol it's completely different grass. The big 3 wouldn't do much on those grass courts against a player like Sampras or McEnroe or even Edberg.
Federer beat Sampras on grass using a lot of serve and volley. He's always loved fast surfaces and would've adapted easily to the faster grass of the 90s.
We rejoin action with Lendl trailing, 2 sets to love... No we rejoin action with Lendl trailing, 2 sets to 1. Australian commentators in not only Tennis, but all spirts are always fucking. when it happens once or twice, you say we all make mistakes sometimes, but when it happens day after day, that’s when I have to say... DUH 🙄
That pretty much applies to the whole country. Very lazy and "she'll be right, mate" attitude leads to incredible sloppiness all round. No wonder they can't manufacture a damn thing.
Edberg had the best back hand.He was looking calm and cool.
Edberg den perfekte serv och volley spelaren mot den komplette tennis spelaren Ivan Lendl.
På gräset hade Edberg alltid ett övertag mot Lendl men på hardcourt jämnade oddsen ut sig.
14-13 till stefan Edberg mot Ivan Lendl i inbördes möten på proffstouren vittnar om att Lendl
hade svårt mot den flyfotade svensken.
I know Borg has more GS wins, but I honestly think Edberg is the most talented tennis player Sweden ever produced.
.....and Wilander
@@oskarvikstrom229 Edberg had a classic technical Tennis game. Borg and Wilander were better base line players.
In my opinion Wilander was the most talented of the three but lacked the work ethic of Edberg
@@costasierom lack of work ethic for Wilander? lol. One of the fittest guy in the 80s and had to work really hard to win a match as he really lacked weapon to hurt his opponents other than his consistent groundstroke, his tactical and strategic head and his will
@@costasierom They are completely different player, Edberg had more natural flare, natural athletic ability and played a game that was completely different to other Swedes. Wilander had better work ethic than Edberg but he was not the natural athletes that Edberg was. Edberg was an artist on court and Wilander probably a better thinker. Edberg was a better fast court player and Wilander a better slower to medium court player.
I used to like Lendl when I was a kid, but watching this match, he seems a bit of a jerk. Edberg is definitely a total gentleman. Always like watching him played.
I agree. I didn't notice such character flaws as a kid. Watching now I feel completely different about him.
We all have a bad day from time to time, and being a gentleman like Edberg is very difficult, if not impossible. Don't let this game change the way you see Lendl, who on the other hand is one of the players in tennis history who has complained least in games.
i always hated lendl, edberg so so
Wrong. Lendl was extremely correct and he had to play against the audience for most of his career.
@@Nitrate900 he just doesnt have the look: he looks like the bad guy who badly needs to win not like a champion who s in control.
I would subscribe if you would give us entire matches. As it is you put these great players in the same category than "This amazing dog that does tricks" or "This amazing 10 years old kids that made the audience cry" And you are supposed to promote the sport? Ah!
Who said Edberg had a poor forehand!!!!
Check out the winning shot!
I absolutely esteem attitude & mental power of Edberg on playing the tennis games. So l also like to learn his appearence about a sports manship.
I love Sampras' skill comosure focus..like. Also his dress used to be ...shorts a bit loose and long ...conservative he was !
Awesome GS channel!
upload all match highlights for Australian viewers
Dont know if I ever have seen a match with Lendl, where he has not complained about something.
I really hated him in the 80s. I respected his work ethic and talent, but always rooted for the other guy.
Michael stich
You probably never seen one of McEnroe too
The problem of lendl was always complaning every match..
If lendl relaxed more on grass maybe he would have won a Wimbledon or Australian open. He put so much pressure on himself.
Lendl was very fussy. He needed took out behind the old woodshed and have his trousers pulled to his knees and bent over the bench and receive his damned self a good old switchin with a hickory switch. About 40 switches seems about right to straighten him up. He probably would've lost the match for sure due to the switchin but not a peep would be heard from his sassy mouth at least.
Please post the 1991 match between Edberg and Lendl. Thanks!
24:26 "advantage Edberg"? isn't it break point/match point?
Lendl was such whining moaner. As was Navratilova.
Are those tennis balls in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
He has a huge dong
Lendl beat himself..commiting way too many unforced mistakes. His volley was not great and his psychological state was not strong. If he had those better and stuck to the baseline style play he'd have won more trophies for sure.
Lendl not a good volleyer
Really I never know that lol
Not only a poor volleyer, he simply had no idea what to do next, where to go, what to cover. Look at the 0-30 point at 3:25: he gets off a nice low crosscourt BH volley for once and then literally just stands there, over to the left where he hit it from, on the service line, not even inside the box, and on the wrong side of the court, just admiring the shot, making a gift-wrapped present to Edberg of 2/3 of the court to pass him with, which he duly does. He should have been over there closing the angle and covering the line like wallpaper. It is really unbelievable. And those attempted drop volleys are just embarrassing. I had forgotten just how useless he was at the net.
@@EJP286CRSKW I think he assumed Edberg wasn't going to get to it.
The venue is Wimbledon and not US
Lendl is just not a likable person. I feel the same thing now as I did back then when watching him
Watch some recent interviews with him. You will change your mind.
@@MrRazorblade999 Actually, I did. I changed my mind.
It should have been grass court
Kooyong club?
Pablo Tupone That is correct.
If only Novak would wear those shorts while he played.
marty dav you are just a loser hater.
🤢 with those scrawny legs?? #whateverfloatsyourboat
Both wearing absolutely classic Adidas shirts here
I said in all spirts, instead of sports 😝... man this shit is contagious 😷
3:48 So odd now to think that people used to smoke in court side.
I was a huge Lendl fan, but when I see, just in this one match, how many times he body shoots Edberg I start to understand why some link him to that nasty habit so much. A lesser side of an otherwise great athlete. Funny how perception changes: hard to admit but I find Mc Enroe a lot more interesting today than Lendl when it used to be so different back then. I guess they changed too.
Lendl‘s handicap was always the first volley on the way to the net.
The last 3 points tho.
1985 15 ANNI CHE TEMPI RAGAZZI !!!
15:54 since when did Lendl have so much CAKE?
The rumor is he has a huge dong too
what a tussle, Edberg I always felt had an awkward grip but he made it work and mentally broke through to do great things
Lendl doing his best McEnroe impersonation.
Lendl was a great grass court player he reached multiple finals at Wimbledon and Australian Open when it was played on grass. Too bad he had McEnroe, Becker, Cash, Edberg etc to contend with. Federer on the other was lucky Soderling knocked out Nadal
In 2009 so he could win the French Open.
Cash? He was a very good tennis player, but nowhere near a superstar.
Federer wasn't lucky.
He made it himself.
Naftalina
Lendl made a consistent and profound mistake when trying to clinch these grass court tournaments back then. He (and everyone else) thought that grass = serve and volley. If you watch him, you'll see that this approach lost him lots of games and matches. If he'd relied more on his baseline game (ie, not rushing to the f*cking net every second) he would have won this, and probably Wimbledon. Serve and volley was way overrated back then, which is why pros these days are far more careful with it
Pros these days play on slow--as-molasses grass courts that are rock hard and high bouncing like a slow HC. Grass events back in the 80s and 90s played like lightning, and you couldn't hope to win just by pounding from the baseline. Either you got into net first to put away the point, or your opponent would. Serve and volley wasn't overrated. It's the style that was the most effective to win on grass. Some were naturals at it, and some, like Lendl, weren't.
Yes, Wilander won 2 AOs on grass, and Agassi won Wimbledon in 92, but those were exceptions, not the rule. Wilander was a human calculator and Agassi was a great returner and liked a target at net.
I understand what you say, but I stand by what I said. The surfaces may have differed but the tactic was very common throughout tennis at the time, as it was the accepted norm. Grass may have changed (at Wimbledon anyway) but it's nothing like HC!
S Mona I would agree with you assessment of the Aussie open grasscourts which had been won by baseliners like Wilander. I can only think that the underlying ground was bouncier than Wimbledon at that time.
S Mona utter nonsense. Pros back then serve n volleyed because the grass was very fast, have unreliable bounces and skidded a lot. Staying back was damn near impossible. Lendl had a good grass court game. He just happened to be playing during the prime of 2 of the best grass court players ever. The grass today is much slower and you get a much better bounce which is mainly why players don’t serve m volley more. Plus if he’d stayed back then EdBerg and Becker would have taken the net even more and he would have had very little chance. Even Connors and Borg serve n volleyed at Wimbledon. First serve and usually second serve. Agassi was probably the first man to win Wimbledon while staying back.
MrPernell27 your spot on
real classic... stifn egbrg... best serv N volli plyr of that era.... one of my favritt too ... (btw... todays girls r plying faster N powerful than these masters of their time... !)
πολυ κακο τενις......
I believe this is official U-tube channel of Australian Open. Can anybody explain how this match is played on grass court instead hard court being Australian Open..it should ve been hard court version. It appears its a wrong upload of wimbeldon instead..pls explain..
Akshay Mulay AO was played on grass at a different venue (Kooyong) until 1988.
Thanks Jusdon for the informative..cheers..
???????
What is the case today, was not so in the past......
Three of four Grand Slams were once played in Grass courts
Until mid 70's in NYork and 1987 in Melbourne
Hi..thanks for the update & correcting my reply..aplogies for wrong reply by me..Thanks..
I didn't even know Australian open was not played on grass anymore!
13:46 I've never seen Lendl slip or spit! Well there you go he is human!
Me acabo de enterar que Australia era pasto.