Can iPad Stage Manager Finally Replace Your Mac with iPadOS 17!?
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Can iPadOS 17's Stage Manager Steal the Show or Is It a Dress Rehearsal for Future Success? We delve into its window management features and some notable drawbacks to see if it could potentially outshine the Mac.
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0:00 Intro
0:34 iPadOS 16 Stage Manager Problems
1:07 Stage Manger in iPadOS 17
2:24 Still Problems with Stage Manager
5:08 Other Great Features in iPadOS 17
6:34 Is iPad Good Enough to Replace the Mac?
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What features do you need for the iPad to replace the Mac?
Continuity camera would solve my problems with conf calls on iPad. Any idea if it’s coming?
@@Chojna69 I don't have any evidence of it arriving but I can see that as a natural extension of the future arriving in a future update!
Microsoft Remote Desktop app to support full external display resolutions….Although I do wonder why are so many people desperate to replace their Mac with their iPad? I use both and both have their strengths.
@@DanielHarrisCodes for some people, they cant afford both. Making the iPad more powerful is crucial to allow more people to be able to use it, while also increasing the performance of Macs.
Can you use a portable hard drive on a iPad Pro?
Resizable and placing them where you want is a massive upgrade imo. Two main downsides from current stage manager
I’ve been a heavy Macbook Pro user for majority of my life doing video editing and tons of heavy work. Let’s just say I use my iPad 95% of the time doing the same things I’ve done before. Stage manager actually makes me more organized. I wasn’t fully on board when they first released but now it’s on 100% of the time. There are still improvement I would like to see such as unlimited windows on the the sidebar that’s scrollable and with that should come with the ability to pin windows. Also a long press on a window in the sidebar should have options such as “lock” or “pin”
it works perfectly! Thanks buddy
This is my dream and I have a mbp. I want to use Jump to RDP into my windows VM on my network to do the stuff I do not want to do on a mac for security reasons. It is getting there, but not quite.. but certainly working in the right direction.
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iPadOS is still just iOS. You wouldn’t have to ask whether it can replace a laptop if it ran laptop software. It’s arbitrarily limited just like vision so you’ll buy more devices and I am no longer supporting that philosophy. My 2018 iPad Pro is getting replaced with the next windows tablet so I don’t have to deal with so many insulting restrictions on a device that costs more than a MacBook.
I use both Mac and pc for work. I mostly do cloud service management, 3rd line support and migration projects. The 2 tools I use that can’t run on iPad are powershell, connect wise control and TeamViewer. But now when running a Mac I can use iPad with universal control for running teams with a better camera and for email on the side of my Mac which is useful or as a second display using sidecar. I can hook up a second monitor to either iPad or Mac but it’s more useful for me to attach it to the Mac. Sometimes I need a pc. Virtual or physical for app packaging tools too that doesn’t even run on Mac. I’d love to be able to have just one platform but the convenience of continuity and other Apple ecosystem services and connecting to my personal life even at work but having everything separate is great. So maybe I’ll just virtualize a pc on my Mac or use a cloud of and Remote Desktop for the times I need it
Hi there… I use Assistive Touch on my iPad Pro 2020 12.9” and I have set up a simple shortcut to toggle Stage Manager on and off, then assighed it to the long press of the Assistive touch button. This makes it available wherever on the iPad I am working, and whatever app I am using, all with just a single long press.
Also other problems… but probably mainly app developer problems… most streaming apps will automatically use external display. Even if I open on my iPad. And one (Peacock?) oddly treats it as AirPlay. 😊
Microsoft BI and lots of analytics software can be done online. Even the full version of Excel. So I’d say yes stage manager is about 90% there for business majors and accountants.
welp, imagine not having an internet😂😂😂e
I wonder if they limit clamshell mode on iPad cause they would loose money if the iPad screen broke and people used it as a clamshell iPad instead of replacing the screen like people have been doing on the MacBook.
I use stage manager all the time, so I welcome the improvements in iPad OS 17. Even those silly iPhone apps that don't rescale in iPad OS, other than taking the whole display x1 or x2 with a black border, look normal in stage manager as they become just another window. External camera is also a great new feature. I can't get excited about widgets. Many feel like a waste of space. News. weather, calendar appointments, reminders and battery status for accessories are OK. Maybe inactively widgets may change my mind. Why is iPad OS the only OS not to have its own calculator? Re-purposing the iPhone calculator app would be fine and work well in stage manager. But my iPad Pro will never be a replacement for my laptop, because I still can't eject / format / repair external SSDs or memory cards, run virtual machines, or side load iPad OS apps without needing a Mac computer. But I can do all of this on a Windows 11 "2 in 1" / Surface Pro, and run Linux and Android (including side loading) apps alongside my Windows apps, and also interact with them using my fingers or pen. Personally, I think Apple are wasting there time on iPad OS. They should be spending more time on developing a touch display / stylus enabled version of Mac OS. The UI on my M2 MacBook Pro being limited to just keyboard and trackpad / mouse is starting feel archaic. If Apple don't hurry and do something to improve Mac OS UI, I will be jumping ecosystems to where touch is an intrinsic part of a desktop class OS.
So you use an iPad with Stage Manager “all the time” but also use a Mac and a Surface (with Windows and Linux) and those “silly” iPhone apps and the lack of a calculator is your issue? You need to get out more.
Is the 90° camera failure in MS Teams with external Monitor fixed now with stage manager in iPad OS 17? Or is the camera orientation still wrong with the internal front facing camera and apps like MS Teams or Zoom?
Can you use stagemanager and use Airplay? I dont understand why they’ve not allowed me to connect my ipad to me 4k screen and still listen to music on my pair of OG homepods!
I'm still having a hard time using stage manager in my mac.... For me it's fine for a few apps open. Still trying to adapt.
Off topic question. My Magic Keyboard when is one is not completely flat on the table. One angle is a little lifted and if hard pressed wobbles a bit. Is it normal? At the Apple Store I saw a couple of that doing that.
By the way I’m waiting os17 a lot
I use stage manger and sidecar on both my iPad Pro and my MacBook Pro
I want the ability to bulk photos from the files app and the ability to add my own music to the music app without needing a mac.
I just updated my iPad Pro M1 to IpadOS17 public beta 4, but my stage manager is still unable to move and resize apps freely. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
I'm excited! I use stage manager all the time, so looking forward to the upgrades. Don't know that I will ever replace my Mac with my iPad. Sitting here with 3 displays running with multiple windows on multiple desk tops would be hard to replace and iPadOS is a long way from there. Still love my iPad though!
That's how you use a Mac, big screens and multiply displays at once. The IPad doesn't have to replace the Mac with all that. It just needs to be improved continuously.
how do u turn on stage manager
How do you quickly navigate between windows in the same stage, especially when they're overlapped?
I really can't get used to it without a view like Mission Control.
There's A keyboard shortcut: Globe - ` and to see other shortcuts for Stage Manager hold down the globe key. Globe key is on Magic Keyboard, Logitech Combo and maybe a few other keyboards. If you don't have a globe key go to settings>general>hardware keyboard and you can set CapsLock to be the globe key. Lots of useful keyboard shortcuts there.
crazy to think apple makes devices so good that if they don't limit software standards across devices in the range they'll literally cannibalise each other. Looking foward to see if the ipad can continue carving a productive niche away from the mac
I still wonder why the iPad does not support a high refresh rate when connected to the monitor.
Do apps still view the external display as a phone? Zoom, Discord, and others turn my video orientation when I move to display. RUclips acts wonky on the display.
Also, until Microsoft apps and even online behave better, unfortunately it can’t replace a computer.
Not a true mac replacement until they add in “switch user” .
This is such a long-requested feature! I have no idea why they haven't implemented this.
I would LOVE this! I could use the iPad for work stuff during the day and then pass it on to my 7 year old in the evening with just her stuff on it.
Fussy much....its 99 percent of the way there for goodness sakes
They make less sales like this unfortunately.
@jebaker2 how about if ipad broke would u risk work setup and data loss
I have a old ipad and have not used a laptop in years
Clamshell mode 100%. If they really want an iPad to be a laptop replacement then they have to do this
Need support for Alfred and logi+ to let me map my mouse buttons
I don’t know why continuity camera is not available when using your iPad with a monitor no one seems to talk about that
In my opinion, the widget feature on the lock screen is not very useful since we can already do a lot with widgets on the home screen. I would prefer to see the macOS lock screen on iPads rather than more widgets scattered everywhere.
Xcode, vscode, shell native and a full browser that allows you to view page source without extension work arounds and I’m good but to be honest MacBook Air base model can do all this and its cheaper and probably lighter haven’t checked but iPad Pro 12.9 with Magic Keyboard isn’t light. Also battery life is way off from the laptops…
stage manager on Ipad ios 17 is not a sluggish and hangs while multi tasking, for instance if you play some content on safari and open another App from doc, safari goes hang and dint play, but its just work fantastic in Macbook os montery.
If you want all the MacBook features, why not buy a MacBook? They're cheaper anyway. 😉
Nah, I get ya... good video and we'll see where Apple goes with iPadOS.
Haha Honestly, I like using my iPad so much. It's a refreshing OS, so many apps and games, plus I love the touchscreen without needing a keyboard and the whole thing! Plus so small and light, with the potential to be powerful.
I love playing RUclips in the background while I use another app
iPadOS is getting better esp on 17th but still I need to use my MacBook. I am using my iPad Pro in 90% of my daily tasks but I still need to use my MacBook occasionally. I can’t safely eject the external hard drive. Also, I can’t format any external USB flash memory or SSDs (which is available on Samsung tablets for almost a decade). Furthermore, iPad did get better when it comes to work with pdf files but still does not have the full capacity of the Preview app on MacBook. For example, I can’t change the pdf to contact sheet view to delete a page or add any pages from other files. I think as long as Apple intentionally limits iPadOS, I can’t replace it fully.
I’m trying to move away from windows and switch to an iPad. I have two external displays I would like to use with the iPad. Do you know if stage display works with two external displays? Further to this, can we have multiple instances of safari or google chrome open to have different tabs open on each external display?
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How to copy and paste with iPad Pro into Hotmail with just mouse touch
Used with Magic Keyboard, it’s not very portable. I will keep my super light 13 inch MacBook Air.
I personally prefer 15 inch
M1 or m2 he is using
WE NEED BETTER FILE MANAGEMENT!
So… You but a display, buy an add-on keyboard, allow it to open multiple windows and use a mouse if you want to… and I want to do this instead of buying a Mac laptop? Why?
Would u rather use MacBook as an only device or ipad pro as an only device?
I just need desktop safari
I do find Stage Manager quite impressive, but I still never see it as MacBook replacement, especially when it still runs on gimped iOS for tablets. If Apple finally decides to put proper macOS on Silicon-powered iPads, then it would be a worthy laptop replacement (if you can ignore the price). At the moment, I rather stick with a MacBook Air and get the base iPad.
Not quite.
I still feel like people are trying to make this work. Nothing about it feels natural, but with some effort, you can have it suit your workflow, just enough to use it day-to-day ignoring Its flaws.
The only reason the iPad doesn’t replace a max is because Apple won’t let it. The external monitor support has been full of glitches for me. I had to go back to my laptop because of that.
i want to develop in an ipad, all of those features are unnecesary, I want to use it as a full computer
We need the feature to use external display with the iPad locked. And drag and drop files between apps like Mac allows you to.
ALMOST. Add coding capabilities/IT tools and boom it’s a replacement!!!!
How do they not have users yet when android tablets had that for awhile now
Not yet there, still need to use Mac for heavy workloads - for light workloads, m1 ipads will suffice
Samsung's Dex Mode is enough for me...
Not a true Mac replacement, not even close. For coding it’s really really aweful, multitasking in stage manager is still too limited, file system is the worst of all software file systems I know (by ux).
The real truth is Apple should take that beautiful iPad touch screen technology and slap it on to Macs, Airs, and Pros. They know how, they could do it. Afraid of being a PC Windows copycat? Maybe 15 years ago, but not today. Now its just a missing UI component. Don't want a touch screen? Easy. Don't touch the screen!
Ipad battery using stage manager + magic keyboard sucks and that's why I will always choose macbook .
that keyboard kills the battery that is already weak using stage manager
Can’t replace mac till they add Xcode for iPadOS.
I think you mean unfortunately 5:05
Apple being stubborn limiting you with their software choices…to profit from you. 😂
The switch is so worth it, new stage manager is gonna make me so insufferable and so not humble
A feature I will never use. Apple should try asking the public what they want, instead of 'here, we're giving you this....'
No.
I think there is a call for each. We are there yet to replace a computer with a tablet toally.
Stage manager for iphone!
Hear me out: stage manager for Apple Watch
I have an iPad Pro 2020 and stage manager is a joke.
I hope they gave it the full extended display support. I hate that it doesn't scale correctly like the M1 and M2 iPads do
@@markmoncera5010 it’s a slap in the face to everyone who spent $700 plus on their 2020 iPad Pro.
When the ipad pros can run Mac os, then it'll be a replacement.
2:00 WHY IN THE EVERLOVING BLAH ISN’T THIS ON STAGE MANAGER FOR MAC??
And no it’s not on the Mac. You cannot shift click a new program into the current stage on Mac.
They should add this feature to iPhone .. but Apple is Apple …
Stage Manager is optimized for Silicon chipset, so Apple needs to reoptimized it for Bionic chipset.
I didnt even watch the video and I can tell you right out front. No it is not a Mac replacement. It is a nice complement and nothing else. I can do so much more on a “real” Mac compared to an iPad. Apple controls the iOS iPadOS too much to be able to do what I want to do.
I’ve never understood why people are so eager to make iPad a replacement for the Mac. I love them both and see no rationale reason to use only one. Neither can truly take the place of the other. Mac’s, obviously, aren’t touch and aren’t tablets. iPads are first and foremost tablets and without a viable keyboard (yes I love the Magic Keyboard but it’s too small and has not function keys) it can’t replace a Mac. I laugh every time I hear these discussions as, regardless of your opinion, the words “I wish….” are always present. Use them both and stop trying to make these machines something they aren’t.
The iPad is not a laptop!!!!! While it’s a very capable device it’s not a laptop or desktop replacement!! The faster we understand this the better we will be..
It is a strong laptop alternative in many use cases.
Thanks for clarifying that we all have to agree. I was about to have my own opinion based on my own experiences and uses cases. I now see the error in my thinking. WE are all much better now. I don’t know anything about you, but at least WE agree, the better WE will be!
So.... Apple copied Samsung Dex. I fail to see how this would be any more useful than Dex. Neither of them "replaces" a desktop, still, as they just arrange apps in resizeable windows, but you still cannot run desktop applications. Thats where all these "replace desktop" ideas fail. Just gimmicks.
When you can run all macOS desktop applications natively on an iPad, thats when the iPad can replace a macbook. Not a day before that :)
The only tab that has been able to replace any desktop/laptop is the Microsoft Surface, because it runs desktop OS and not a phone OS.
Not in the slightly. Dex was originally for phones to connect up to a monitor and show a monitor-specific interface. This won't work on iPhone and is designed for iPad. On top of that, it doesn't show a desktop-specific interface, it mimics the iPad display exactly. It just extends it, allowing both to be used.
And there's a big middle ground between a gimmick and a desktop app. Just because it isn't a desktop app doesn't mean it isn't powerful. In some cases, there are ONLY tablet versions of apps and times when the tablet version is better.
You point out the Surface, yet its mobile store is extremely limited and its touch interface is middling at best. In fact, I think it has worsened the desktop experience trying to make one universal operating system for everything.
@@AppleInsider the App Store is not where I go to get applications on a surface. I download them online just as on any pc. For me, a desktop experience is full desktop apps. I run software development tools and IDE ’s etc.
I am not saying this is bad for phone-like tablets to be more versatile etc, I think it looks neat. I just cannot agree with the comparison with ”desktop replacement”. It does nothing for that if desktop applications dont work. MacOS on iPad would be only real ”desktop replacement” for iPad. Just like Dex is not a replacement for anything. Its a better interface for tabletts but can never replace a computer just by that.
So if I want any tablett to replace my PC, the ONLY option is always Surface. Still waiting for Apple to put macOS on an iPad so we have 2 tabletts that can replace a desktop.
One way is for Apple to add an Intel emulator and virtuell machine to install windows and/or linux inside it, on an iPad (vmware or virtualbox like stuff). THAT would make it replace a desktop. That or run macOS on iPad. Only two options.
If it only runs phone-like apps its not a desktop computer replacer
@@AppleInsider also yes Dex was originally for phones but now run directly on the galaxy tab without any monitor. A.k.a same result as Stage Manager, since a few years
Hell no apple completely destroyed stage manager in ios 17 🤮🤮 i used to have 4 to 5 apps open at the same time now there is a gap between and they overlap each other! What a horrible move apple is really horrible to innovation they began to remove features to add it back later years and ipados is always 1 year behind in updates because they stopped innovation 🤦♂️
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Nope cannot. Huge different; ios is design for mobile with limited features and it will never replace MAC.
Why should a Tablet replace a Laptop? Only a FanBoy Tech RUclipsr think like that! you don’t replace your Bike whit your Car right?
Still stupid! What apple needs to do is do what they do best. Copying ideas and make it better! Just copy Samsung “desktop” idea on their tablet. Connected with external monitors you get the fully macOS experience. Start with ipad Pro 12-14inch with m2-3 etcetera processors. Is so easy but Apple want money so its going to take 5years before they do this.
stage manager is horrible, it looks so messy and make no sense.
People are asking more powerful app for the M chip, not more windows on the same tiny screen.
iPads are basic tools. Good for not much other than watching vids on bigger screen. Yes I own one.
Sorry, but Stage Manager is total crap and I sold now my 2 iPads finally...no iPads anymore...overpriced garbage! No serious work you can do with iPads aside of having a FaceTime with your Grandma!
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@@pietdegeling8686 you said it but i was thinking it