This reminds of the mindset we had when synths started using samples. We would spend hours comparing sounds to see how real they were. If banging on a key was exactly the same as banging on a real instrument. Some guy bought a drum module because it used multi-samples at different velocity levels. I then realized we stopped making music. No body listening could tell one sound from another especially if it was buried in the mix. We learned that when the new thing landed, we would do this dance again. The original Ampero sounds great. Most agreed until the NEW Ampero came out. Inside the box is a DSP and computer chips. All modellers use the same method only the programing is different. Every parameter is just a 'tone' control. A new control is just a short cut or routine in a program. I just make music now and hopefully it sounds good. Ask anyone in the audience what amp is being played and is it real. No body cares. I enjoy your reviews and I am not knocking you. We are just spoiled for choice now.
Man, you nailed it with this comment. They both sound good. The people in the crowd don't care if something else is 10% better, but they do know a good song from a bad one. Let's make some great music and stop chasing tones.
Thanks for translating your videos into Spanish! Your channel is excellent. I am always attentive to your videos. The fact that it is translated gives you a greater reach to the world public. Greetings!
@@TaylorDanley Ok, it's great to be able to fully understand what your content says. I'm sure that many of us who follow you here in Latin America will greatly appreciate it, brother! Greetings from Venezuela
I actually like the stock emulation better on the old unit in the mix, but the newer one sounds better solo with built in, and the newer unit also sounds better with a cab or IR's.
I had a stomp ii for a few weeks. I didn’t see much master volume effect. Best way to test would be to fully crank it. Should flub out for sure with high gain preamp focused models and it really didn’t. Not a bad modeler at all for tone but accuracy of controls and range of tones achievable with a particular amp model was not realistic enough (ie on some modelers you could get a crunch lower gain tone from a recto modern model but here it was just classic recto roar). For the price though it rocks. Love your channel btw!
@@Zordid0 true. And helix definitely nails this nuance as do many of the other higher end modelers. On the flip side it does sound pretty good but you just need to dial it in differently and shouldn’t expect the hyperrealistic experience that you can obtain with fractal, neural, or line 6.
On the first pass, the OG sounded better to my ear. Then I adjusted my system's EQ and after making it flat, same thing! There's that tiny bit of harshness up there at the top but it can be tamed real world, I don't know, OG wins for me
Really great pedal for practice. I love the ad/da converters on the aux in. I plugged in tidal and it is great to be able to jam with really good quality music. Most aux in modellers destroy the sound. That one does not.
Bro your channel is fantastic ! Keep going with the great work, you have such a simple and nice way to explain and show the gear and test, we can feel its simple, direct and nice! I love it brother ! keep ruling ! cheers \o
What amp modeler peddel would you recommend for a beginner, I've played for a while, just new to amp modelers. I like the idea of replacing my rig "peddel board and all" with the single peddel. I was looking at the headrush prime and really liked it, but it was a little intimidating. I like what you're playing in the video, too. For reference I play in a punk/thrash band, but I've been taking jazz lessons to expand my technique. I'd like a one size fits all peddel. Thanks for your time.
The biggest difference to me is the ability to use longer irs, which to means a whole different type of feeling and clearer low end sound. Sadly right now the reverbs, many other effects and the longer ir take up tons of cpu, which will be fixed a bit in the next update. They released an unfinished product imo.
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Are you waiting for their next model? They just can't go over today's DSP and other chips manufacturers... They just have to follow progress of chipmakers.
I have the impression that the difference is mainly in the band (ampero has a cut off midrange), but I think it can be set to sound almost the same as ampero 2
Bro. I don't know if I'm crazy or something, but I heard weird frequencies or noises when you were showing both modelers "in the mix". But over all, awesome. I will continue with my Ampero OG, maybe a Headrush MX5 could be a possibility for me.
Playing with the stomp live is an absolute bitch literally I had to lower the gain on the mixer to 20% that’s how bad the high again models are with Feedback
You said you gigged with the original Ampero into a solid state amp. I do the same with Amplitube. My question is do you run it through the front end of the s.s. amp or through the effects loop?
@@alessiogagliardi4436 I ask because I use a Crate PowerBlock solid state power amp head. I always went through the effects loop because I read going through the front would color the tone. Now that I'm shopping for a multi-effects pedal I still have the same question; run it through the front or back? FWIW I see many claiming to go through the front but I'm not sure if that's attributable to being uninformed or or just plain works.
@@alessiogagliardi4436 Btw, the setup on the SD Powerstage 700 is not much different than my Crate CPB 150 Power Block. The Crate has a gain control. The SD does not.
It looks like the Seymour Duncan power stage 700 doesn't have an effects loop - which I wouldn't expect for a straight up power amp (clean amplification) anyway.
The solid state amp is only a power amp, so there's no loop to run it through, it just goes straight in to the input. But if I was using an amplifier, solid state or not, I'd use the effects return to bypass the amplifiers preamp.
Hi, nice video... I see a lot of people cranking the phisical master volume pot on most of the amp modeller, what do you suggest about that? How this master volume interacts with the sound? Thanx
The physical master volume is just the level of volume going out of the unit - no change of tone. The Master on the amp section is another thing, since it also increases the power amp tube saturation.
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 thanx, I asked that because some people say that going more than 11 o'clock of the master volume on the MOOER PREAMP LIVE do degradate the sound and the best is from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock.. I did a live show 10 days ago with the preamp live direct to PA with 50% of master volume cranked and it sounded great...so I wonder why some people continue to say that it ruins the sound. Most of the people using quad cortex, helix, ampero use the master volume at maximum
@@oris81 as far as i know, the mooer preamp live also has a volume and a master knob, which should be identical to what i said above. (i really liked the preamp live, really great sounds!)
Of course! No wonder! Because new model utilizes one powerful ADSP-21573 chip with two DSP cores plus one ARM core inside from Analog Devices circa 2018-2020.
Hey! Great video. I dont know if you already did, but could you make a video showing the Ampero 2 stomp's polyphonic pitch shifter? From what ive heard better than the OG's pitch shifter
@@gustavomazonave8536 To give an idea how it sounds, there's a factory patch that sounds like a realistic jazz synth solo by layering 3 pitch shift effects. It's something like Cory Henry's tone. You can also get polyphia's OD intro tone or Miyavi's No Sleep to Tokyo subtle octave. However, if you're looking into accurate drop tunning or nice wet octave bass, better go for HX stomp.
When reading about their mix of black and white box modelling it actually did sound like they count the IR convolution as "black box modeling" and the amp modeling as white box modeling. So not really that different to anything else
The ampero 2 cabs sound like offaxis miced by default ... not digging it at all, it should be flat for a modeler and let me choose where I want the mic. Sticking to the Ampero One, thanks man!
Does "new" mean "better"? Well, I suppose sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't...I think it's a matter of trying the "new" thing within the application or musical situation you're wanting to use it in...for sure, though, "new" will more than likely mean "different"...if you are moving from something you've used for years, and then try something "new" in it's place. Now in regard to using a "new" processor in a cover band application, and you are shooting for the songs you are playing to sound as close as possible to the original tracks you are attempting to cover, I would think that a lot of the newer products out there now, like Ampero products, or Headrush products, or others that I don't even know about, I would think what we have at our disposal will get you where you are shooting for way easier, with a whole lot less tweaking to have to do to find "that sound"...and both may work well within a particular application, but one may be a better fit than the other, depending on the situation...which makes me wish there was such a thing as "the Demo Store" where you could go in and rent a couple of prospective units you are interested in, so you could take them home and try them both in a band practice setting to see which fits your needs better...or even "The Demo Club" which would be like a guitar player membership club that gets in the latest processors to check out...pay the yearly fee, and it's like a pedal library, where you can go in and check out gear like checking out a book, hahaha!... haven't watched the video yet...on to watching, and thanks for taking the time to do the video...hope you and yours are doing great!
I definitely dig your writing/compositions overall, but with my own playing am definitely more into the obnoxiously technical riffing, like Soreption or something….BUT for real pard, you’re literally the only tuber that’s reviewing modelers, sims, VSTs, etc that doesn’t skimp on the gain. Seriously. Just about every other gear reviewer that’s playing some type of metal is heavily influenced by the absurdly dry, mid-boosted, almost choked off guitar tones popularized by Periphery….which just doesn’t help me at all in getting a feel for how these digital amps sound for death metal. It’s incredibly helpful to hear these modelers in this kind of death metal/blackened death/deathcore kind context dude….pre-emptively to all the genre police, go take care of your wife or something…it’s a way to convey information, that’s all. Anyways, it feels like No one else is really reviewing profilers/modelers/software with these type of tones. Ola is I suppose, but I don’t really like how he dials his tones in…it’s definitely not thick death metal. Your tones are way more what I’m into…saturated, thick, sometimes a tad scooped and almost out of control. No idea why I went off like this…RUclips comments are just fools shouting into the fuckin’ void…but a thanks felt necessary.
Thanks a ton for the comment! I used to try and tone down a little because I thought "this is what people want" and then at some point I realized that I just wanted to be myself and play extreme music and not tone it down for anyone 😂 I'm really glad that there is a group of people out there that appreciate my channel for doing that.
you thought so huh? Your hearingh must be a lot better than mnine, I thought they sounded very similar. I mean, I did hear a difference btu wasnt sure which was better if either. Was almost like the differnce wasnt tone
Hello! Anyone still here? I dont want to sound crazy but seems like at the end of the video, comparing different ir, sometimes that mega ir sounds the same and sometimes it sounds slightly different in ampero 2, like into an aquarium... and the mega ir in ampero one sounds really good. Can anyone help me on nowadays? Im in Brazil and things here are overtaxed... so prices are really a matter... is there something that worth with the price range of the ampero 2? From other brands too? I am looking for reviews but i really cant decide... i know nothing about computers and modelers... in sound, ampero one sounds good but some say its too slow and out of date... some says ampero 2 needs updates... like mixing other effects maybe ampero 2 deals better with its processor... is it? What would be better for the price today? Appreciate any help (honest unbias opinons please)
Wow, is it just me, or when you do the shoot out mixes, the original model is winning every time? Do you think it's just because you're more used to being able to tweak the original model because you've had it longer, and know it better? Going to check the comments to see if I'm the only one...and I'm not a metal player, either, but do like a good dose of metal...
Hey! Im the guy who asked for this vid! Thanks a lot man! \m/
This reminds of the mindset we had when synths started using samples. We would spend hours comparing sounds to see how real they were. If banging on a key was exactly the same as banging on a real instrument. Some guy bought a drum module because it used multi-samples at different velocity levels. I then realized we stopped making music. No body listening could tell one sound from another especially if it was buried in the mix. We learned that when the new thing landed, we would do this dance again. The original Ampero sounds great. Most agreed until the NEW Ampero came out.
Inside the box is a DSP and computer chips. All modellers use the same method only the programing is different. Every parameter is just a 'tone' control. A new control is just a short cut or routine in a program. I just make music now and hopefully it sounds good. Ask anyone in the audience what amp is being played and is it real. No body cares.
I enjoy your reviews and I am not knocking you. We are just spoiled for choice now.
Man, you nailed it with this comment. They both sound good. The people in the crowd don't care if something else is 10% better, but they do know a good song from a bad one. Let's make some great music and stop chasing tones.
Thanks for translating your videos into Spanish! Your channel is excellent. I am always attentive to your videos. The fact that it is translated gives you a greater reach to the world public. Greetings!
I didn't. But that's cool that RUclips must have done it for me! Muy Bien! 🥳
@@TaylorDanley Ok, it's great to be able to fully understand what your content says. I'm sure that many of us who follow you here in Latin America will greatly appreciate it, brother! Greetings from Venezuela
Lucky to pick up the Ampero || recently, I think the high gain sounds on par if not better than the Neural DSP plugins i have. Really happy with it.
Cool. In the video they sounded similar, the high gain. Thinking about going with the OG. Its pretty cheap. WHat do you think?
No wonder probably because of a newest ADSP-21573 usage in it !!!
@@TheSason666 Man you really have a hard on for that ADSP-21573
I don't think any of the Neural DSP plugins sound very good. Is the Ampero 2 not substantially better?
I prefer the Ampero 1 for stock cabinet emulation but they both sound good through the same IR in my opinion. Very interesting video overall 🤘🏾💯
I disagree stock cabs on ampero 1 sound weird nothing like a real cab or mixed up cab imo
Nah , as someone whos had both, the celestion high quality IR'S make the newer one sound much more realistic.
I actually like the stock emulation better on the old unit in the mix, but the newer one sounds better solo with built in, and the newer unit also sounds better with a cab or IR's.
The new has fresh powerful ADSP-21573 chip !!!
I went for the Ampero One simply because it has a 100 second looper and 100 drum patterns which I need to jam on my own at home.
I had a stomp ii for a few weeks. I didn’t see much master volume effect. Best way to test would be to fully crank it. Should flub out for sure with high gain preamp focused models and it really didn’t. Not a bad modeler at all for tone but accuracy of controls and range of tones achievable with a particular amp model was not realistic enough (ie on some modelers you could get a crunch lower gain tone from a recto modern model but here it was just classic recto roar). For the price though it rocks. Love your channel btw!
Thanks!
Even de POD HD kind of did this.
@@Zordid0 true. And helix definitely nails this nuance as do many of the other higher end modelers. On the flip side it does sound pretty good but you just need to dial it in differently and shouldn’t expect the hyperrealistic experience that you can obtain with fractal, neural, or line 6.
Love the video shoot out, man! Thanks! 🤘🏽
The best battle of 2021 !!!
On the first pass, the OG sounded better to my ear. Then I adjusted my system's EQ and after making it flat, same thing! There's that tiny bit of harshness up there at the top but it can be tamed real world, I don't know, OG wins for me
Really great pedal for practice. I love the ad/da converters on the aux in. I plugged in tidal and it is great to be able to jam with really good quality music. Most aux in modellers destroy the sound. That one does not.
There definitely is some sort of change in the amp voice but I think for home use my trusty Ampero One still rocks
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Only for home use? I think it would sound great on a live show too.
Still is the main word here...
Bro your channel is fantastic !
Keep going with the great work, you have such a simple and nice way to explain and show the gear and test, we can feel its simple, direct and nice!
I love it brother ! keep ruling ! cheers \o
What amp modeler peddel would you recommend for a beginner, I've played for a while, just new to amp modelers. I like the idea of replacing my rig "peddel board and all" with the single peddel.
I was looking at the headrush prime and really liked it, but it was a little intimidating. I like what you're playing in the video, too. For reference I play in a punk/thrash band, but I've been taking jazz lessons to expand my technique. I'd like a one size fits all peddel. Thanks for your time.
The biggest difference to me is the ability to use longer irs, which to means a whole different type of feeling and clearer low end sound. Sadly right now the reverbs, many other effects and the longer ir take up tons of cpu, which will be fixed a bit in the next update. They released an unfinished product imo.
That's a good point, I'll cover that more when I review it.
@@TaylorDanley they will release the next update in the end of the month, at least their staff told me so.
Still no update. Also i sold my ampero 2 stomp, because they are unreliable and slow.
Of course new powerful ADSP-21573 plus ESS Sabre chips allow that all !!!
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Are you waiting for their next model? They just can't go over today's DSP and other chips manufacturers... They just have to follow progress of chipmakers.
16 k..hell yeah..🤜🤛..sounds the same to me..killer riff bro
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I have the impression that the difference is mainly in the band (ampero has a cut off midrange), but I think it can be set to sound almost the same as ampero 2
I have a question. Is it possible to blend two IRs in the ampero 2?
I have to go with the ampero one! Sounds indepth fuller the ampero 2 sounds way more compressed & choked!
🤘🏻🎅🤘🏻
But newer model has its newer and more powerful ADSP-21573 !!! Plus ESS Sabre converters.
That's the obvious way of progressing!!!
Bro. I don't know if I'm crazy or something, but I heard weird frequencies or noises when you were showing both modelers "in the mix". But over all, awesome. I will continue with my Ampero OG, maybe a Headrush MX5 could be a possibility for me.
Playing with the stomp live is an absolute bitch literally I had to lower the gain on the mixer to 20% that’s how bad the high again models are with Feedback
You said you gigged with the original Ampero into a solid state amp. I do the same with Amplitube. My question is do you run it through the front end of the s.s. amp or through the effects loop?
He's using a power amp. A seymour duncan power stage 700 precisely.
@@alessiogagliardi4436 I ask because I use a Crate PowerBlock solid state power amp head. I always went through the effects loop because I read going through the front would color the tone. Now that I'm shopping for a multi-effects pedal I still have the same question; run it through the front or back? FWIW I see many claiming to go through the front but I'm not sure if that's attributable to being uninformed or or just plain works.
@@alessiogagliardi4436 Btw, the setup on the SD Powerstage 700 is not much different than my Crate CPB 150 Power Block. The Crate has a gain control. The SD does not.
It looks like the Seymour Duncan power stage 700 doesn't have an effects loop - which I wouldn't expect for a straight up power amp (clean amplification) anyway.
The solid state amp is only a power amp, so there's no loop to run it through, it just goes straight in to the input. But if I was using an amplifier, solid state or not, I'd use the effects return to bypass the amplifiers preamp.
this two sounds diffrence but they sounds good in a diffrence flavour.
The Ampero II really punches way above its price in my opinion. But the original is not bad either with a good IR.
I agree to both things!
Hi, nice video... I see a lot of people cranking the phisical master volume pot on most of the amp modeller, what do you suggest about that? How this master volume interacts with the sound? Thanx
The physical master volume is just the level of volume going out of the unit - no change of tone. The Master on the amp section is another thing, since it also increases the power amp tube saturation.
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 thanx, I asked that because some people say that going more than 11 o'clock of the master volume on the MOOER PREAMP LIVE do degradate the sound and the best is from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock.. I did a live show 10 days ago with the preamp live direct to PA with 50% of master volume cranked and it sounded great...so I wonder why some people continue to say that it ruins the sound. Most of the people using quad cortex, helix, ampero use the master volume at maximum
@@oris81 as far as i know, the mooer preamp live also has a volume and a master knob, which should be identical to what i said above. (i really liked the preamp live, really great sounds!)
@@BigMetalDaddy1301 Yes, I love it both for its amps and by the face that I put my Triaxis, Valvestate 8100 and Kraken on it by the tone capture
@@oris81 great amp taste!
Well, I don't know if it's more "smooth", but it is for sure way different...
6:10.... Huh, I guess I like it rough.
The new one sounds better. There's a 2D feel to the old sounds (which are still very good).
Of course! No wonder! Because new model utilizes one powerful ADSP-21573 chip with two DSP cores plus one ARM core inside from Analog Devices circa 2018-2020.
hi, do make some Impulse response from this test?
Hey! Great video. I dont know if you already did, but could you make a video showing the Ampero 2 stomp's polyphonic pitch shifter? From what ive heard better than the OG's pitch shifter
It's definitely better, just that you can't do drop tuning. It sounds bad when going full wet. At 50/50 dry wet mix it sounds perfect
@@johnong2655 Thanks!
@@gustavomazonave8536 To give an idea how it sounds, there's a factory patch that sounds like a realistic jazz synth solo by layering 3 pitch shift effects. It's something like Cory Henry's tone. You can also get polyphia's OD intro tone or Miyavi's No Sleep to Tokyo subtle octave. However, if you're looking into accurate drop tunning or nice wet octave bass, better go for HX stomp.
When reading about their mix of black and white box modelling it actually did sound like they count the IR convolution as "black box modeling" and the amp modeling as white box modeling. So not really that different to anything else
the ampero sounds a bit louder as in highs, the stomp has warmer tones (stock cabinets)
The ampero 2 cabs sound like offaxis miced by default ... not digging it at all, it should be flat for a modeler and let me choose where I want the mic. Sticking to the Ampero One, thanks man!
Does it have an on-screen editor for a PC like most multi-effect pedals? I hate using the pedal itself to edit.
Does "new" mean "better"? Well, I suppose sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't...I think it's a matter of trying the "new" thing within the application or musical situation you're wanting to use it in...for sure, though, "new" will more than likely mean "different"...if you are moving from something you've used for years, and then try something "new" in it's place. Now in regard to using a "new" processor in a cover band application, and you are shooting for the songs you are playing to sound as close as possible to the original tracks you are attempting to cover, I would think that a lot of the newer products out there now, like Ampero products, or Headrush products, or others that I don't even know about, I would think what we have at our disposal will get you where you are shooting for way easier, with a whole lot less tweaking to have to do to find "that sound"...and both may work well within a particular application, but one may be a better fit than the other, depending on the situation...which makes me wish there was such a thing as "the Demo Store" where you could go in and rent a couple of prospective units you are interested in, so you could take them home and try them both in a band practice setting to see which fits your needs better...or even "The Demo Club" which would be like a guitar player membership club that gets in the latest processors to check out...pay the yearly fee, and it's like a pedal library, where you can go in and check out gear like checking out a book, hahaha!... haven't watched the video yet...on to watching, and thanks for taking the time to do the video...hope you and yours are doing great!
I definitely dig your writing/compositions overall, but with my own playing am definitely more into the obnoxiously technical riffing, like Soreption or something….BUT for real pard, you’re literally the only tuber that’s reviewing modelers, sims, VSTs, etc that doesn’t skimp on the gain. Seriously. Just about every other gear reviewer that’s playing some type of metal is heavily influenced by the absurdly dry, mid-boosted, almost choked off guitar tones popularized by Periphery….which just doesn’t help me at all in getting a feel for how these digital amps sound for death metal. It’s incredibly helpful to hear these modelers in this kind of death metal/blackened death/deathcore kind context dude….pre-emptively to all the genre police, go take care of your wife or something…it’s a way to convey information, that’s all. Anyways, it feels like No one else is really reviewing profilers/modelers/software with these type of tones. Ola is I suppose, but I don’t really like how he dials his tones in…it’s definitely not thick death metal. Your tones are way more what I’m into…saturated, thick, sometimes a tad scooped and almost out of control. No idea why I went off like this…RUclips comments are just fools shouting into the fuckin’ void…but a thanks felt necessary.
Thanks a ton for the comment! I used to try and tone down a little because I thought "this is what people want" and then at some point I realized that I just wanted to be myself and play extreme music and not tone it down for anyone 😂 I'm really glad that there is a group of people out there that appreciate my channel for doing that.
Cześć masz zajebistą koszulkę, gdzie mógłbym taką koszulkę kupić?
AMPERO II has ADSP-21573 powerful DSP inside !!!
Tony McKenzie showed inside of it here for us!!!
Yes it is
new one sounds better for sure
you thought so huh? Your hearingh must be a lot better than mnine, I thought they sounded very similar. I mean, I did hear a difference btu wasnt sure which was better if either. Was almost like the differnce wasnt tone
can I connect the ampero stomp via 4 cables?
Hello! Anyone still here? I dont want to sound crazy but seems like at the end of the video, comparing different ir, sometimes that mega ir sounds the same and sometimes it sounds slightly different in ampero 2, like into an aquarium... and the mega ir in ampero one sounds really good. Can anyone help me on nowadays? Im in Brazil and things here are overtaxed... so prices are really a matter... is there something that worth with the price range of the ampero 2? From other brands too? I am looking for reviews but i really cant decide... i know nothing about computers and modelers... in sound, ampero one sounds good but some say its too slow and out of date... some says ampero 2 needs updates... like mixing other effects maybe ampero 2 deals better with its processor... is it? What would be better for the price today? Appreciate any help (honest unbias opinons please)
How is the guitar called
Jackson Kelly
Wow, is it just me, or when you do the shoot out mixes, the original model is winning every time? Do you think it's just because you're more used to being able to tweak the original model because you've had it longer, and know it better? Going to check the comments to see if I'm the only one...and I'm not a metal player, either, but do like a good dose of metal...
I prefer Ampero One.
OG AMOERO sounds better to my ears has more bite and clarety
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