On Malcolm X, Black Masculinity, and Gay Panic
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- After my last upload on Malcolm X potentially being bisexual and seeing so much of the reaction, I knew I had to do a deep dive into Black masculinity and gay panic. Happy Sunday! #malcolmx #lgbt
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I had lots of fun editing this one! Thanks for watching and getting me close to 10k subscribers! Such a great goal met before my birthday next week!
If you haven't already... check out Dr. Mohamed Abdou- a queer Muslim anarchist, and I believe also Palestinian.
Edit: Also, I'm curious if you touch on Kuwasi Balagoon (Black, openly queer/bi, anarchist out of Black liberation movement) in any of your videos?
Edit #2: regarding BLM (before it was coopted by the White liberal establishment) - please look to Minneapolis starting around 2015 to find contemporary examples of queer led Black liberation movement work that incorporated plenty of Black and Somali - Muslim queer folks.
What about muhammd ali, was he bisexual too??
@@sharmindecruz9757 lmaaoo
trolling at it best! you got ya subs out of it.
Happy early birthday!!! Celebrating you from afar lol ^.^
I'm not trying to be nitpicky, but it might be better to use the word speculations instead of allegations. "Allegations of him being bi-sexual" sounds like an accusation of wrongdoing.
Wasn’t it a crime back then though? So accusations would be correct when we’re talking about him in this time period.
Not only is the term “nit picky” deeply trenched in racism but the fact that you would associate queerness with “wrongdoing” is an example of your internal homophobia. As someone who is still deconstructing it themselves and can see how deep it runs I can easily assume that you didn’t mean this, however the harm is there. Please self reflect on the importance of your comment and why it was that you felt the need to leave such a thing under this individuals video when you could have simply not. Is it so important that your voiced be heard that you leave micro aggressions under oppressed minorities videos, or could you accept that what you have heard is creating a cognitive disonante that once explored will bring you closer to yourself. I love you and hope that we may both heal as we deserve
@@tea_gusta8309 allegations: a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.
@@tea_gusta8309nobody is going to cancel "nit picky", everyone uses that phrase? Google doesn't show anything relating to racism so what now? It's a phrase known world wide, it's not some niche american dogwhistle.
Shameless. Will stop at absolutely nothing to legitimize your sodomy and advance that cause in "black America", something that El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (R) was emphatically opposed to.
No honor or respect whatsoever, and certainly no real remedy.
Black Lies Shatter. - (Audhubillah!)
calling someone queer is only defamatory if you have a problem with queer people or queerness. some people telling on themselves in these comments.
Absolutely not. Calling someone queer is lying on someone when they weren’t and that’s not ok. You support lying on people? I’m confused
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There's only "injury to reputation" if you think it's bad to be queer. Nothing to be confused about, that's just the meaning of the words.
@@kaiserruhsamYou missed her point entirely. 🙄🙄🙄 ..She's saying that you're lying. And lying on someone you don't know is inherently wrong.
@@gregpresley1466 nah the lie is that everyone was 100% cis-het. It's statistically impossible.
You could say anyone was secretly bi with no evidence, people in white supremacist cultures weren't going to be very open about that more than a decade ago let alone in the 1960s because of white christian social attitudes. With Malcolm we do have evidence of some not-hetero activities taking place, so concluding he was probably bi isn't lying.
If it makes you feel better i guess you can say we mean "his behavior was indistinguishable from a bi person". But that's just cope to avoid thinking someone admirable was also queer.
Queer was originally a slur and there’s many people who are LGBT who find it offensive because of its origins and meaning, so that’s a flawed take. And speculating the dead’s sexuality and maybe even hovering over claims that might out the deceased is invasive and selfish and beyond disrespectful and dehumanizing,especially a Muslim figure. Maybe instead of coming in guns blazing try to have an open mind and don’t assume people who aren’t comfortable or have criticism for this video or topic only hold the extreme end of the totem pole
being a bisexual black man i see both sides but cant stand the homophobia youre facing in your comments. malcolm may have been a shy straight man but there is a big uncertainty to if he was a queer man.
in his autobiography its stated during his time in new york he not only made friends with seggs workers but also lesbian women (he sold a lez couple 100 reefer cigarettes).
and then there is the section where malcolm states in passing he only knew the company of five women before he was married. (if im not misremembering)
finally when malcolm married Betty X theres a paragraph where he goes on a diatribe about the true nature of women being weak. that was kinda hard to read being an intersectional feminist myself, but i only say this because i have met very misogynistic queer men (not painting all queer cis men like that) but its another thing to consider.
speaking from experience im open and honest about who and how i love but today there is still so much rampant homophobia especially in the USA it's so easy to see why so many black men are lying to themselves about who they are.
I’ve done a lot of reasearch & I don’t think he was….. his wife, brother & sister & children made it clear they think he was far from it BUT it was stories said that he did do “pay for gay” so this is great question honestly
@@keirahleesha486 i appreciate you posing your opinion in a not hateful informed manner
@@keirahleesha486 "his wife, brother & sister & children made it clear they think he was far from it" lol..lol oh yeah, famous last words.
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@@CHIEF_420 not with a grain of salt. i have had male female along with trans men and trans women partnters
I saw this video and just clicked IMMEDIATELY. I once mentioned Malcolm X's bisexuality on Facebook like 10 years ago and got ATE UP by the cis/het black people who did not wanna hear that. Ever since, I have had a hard time finding anyone else willing to talk about it or even just accept it. So thank you for talking about this topic.
Yess. So glad you found this vid. Thank you for watching
“His bisexuality “subhanallah,you’re straight up making the claim he was and the fact the creator liked and agreed too…
What funny is the detractors' Muslim reasoning. I am not saying Malcolm was bi; however, plenty of religious people have been/are part of the lgbtq+ community. Also, not all religious people/expressions of that religion are homophobic.
Even in the mainstream sunni thinking, which forbids homosexuality. This does not deny that homosexuality exists , it just claims that its practice is absolutely forbidden. Homosexuality falls into the same category as extra martial sexual activity. There is actually a presumption that the desire exists but we must suppress it.
This definitely is an interesting topic and clearly riling people up. I recalled his autobiography as feeling as if it held gaps in a muted nebulous state. It didn't feel like a lie but the truth felt definitively unsafe.
Also, i may have not commented on the last video but I did think his daughter arguing or stating that her father would have discussed his sexuality with her in particular was...such a WILD take. There's a comfortable relationship of trust between father/daughter and then there's realizing that no one person can share their entire self with any other person 360°. Your parents will always be entire selves before your existence. So, it's not a secret but just perhaps not a part of their conversation. 😅
Thank you for watching! And yeah... his daughter's comments were interesting
If complicating a person’s life, experiences, or histories makes any positive thing they’ve done that you agree with null and void then that’s ultimately a problem with your attachments. Like the discussion or thoughts don’t disrespect his legacy , they infringe on the iconography people have made of his image and his work to affirm their own constructs of morality.
I’d really love for people to stop acting like they’re just so attached to the teachings of Malcolm, and that’s why they’re “protective” of his legacy. Meanwhile how many of his actual teachings are people putting into practice, especially with regards to celebrities, the state, and authority? Like the way people treat him after his death would’ve likely turned his stomach.
Personally, I’m hesitant to engage in any posthumous speculation about a person, especially regarding gender and sexuality. Mainly because it’s often done in self serving ways, so I like to go by a person’s words. But you haven’t done that at all. You’re broaching the subject with reverence and sort of showing people where it’s coming from and all that relates to it. So the responses you’re getting are really undeserved.
Thank you ❤️
@@PrinceShakurRUclips I think you’ve made the best contribution to this topic. Although I don’t believe he was bi this angle is certainly the way to go.
He’s also used up in militant, hypermasculine activist type of imagery so him not being truly heterosexual would threaten the image of black masculinity he’s typically used to represent.
First Off His "Teachings" As You Say Are Very Much Still Being Practiced Today By MILLIONS Because They Came From His Muslim Faith & The Quran,Maybe You & This Dude Should Actually Sit Down & Learn About THE MAN Instead Of Gossiping & Speculating On Something Neither One Of You Know NOTHING About,What He Did/Didn't Do In The Privacy Of His Bedroom Or Wherever He Laid His Head At Night Shouldn't Be Neither One Of Your Concerns......Also WE'RE (strong BLACK men) Are Protective Of His Legacy Because We Know What He Tried To Do,We Understand A Man That Didn't Even Know Us Died For US To Have Freedoms He Didn't Even Get To Experience,His Leadership Through The Teachings NOI Saved & Built Millions Of Righteous Black Men,Women & Families........What I Would Like To Know Is WHY Is The Sexuality Of A Dead Man ANYBODY'S Concern????Even If He Was,What Does That Have To Do With Anything,Why Who He Had Sex Matter To Y'all???Sexual Preference Isn't A Personality,Character,Morals Or A Value System,It Wouldn't Add To Or Diminish Anything He Did For The Freedom Of Black People So WHY Is His Sexuality Even Being Discussed
@@BlackMask187NoFace I literally said I don’t like posthumous speculation of a person’s gender or sexuality.
If it wouldn’t positively or negatively affect anything, then why do people negatively react to the mere question? That’s the point of the video, and addressing where the question even comes from.
Old, news... I just don't understand why somewhat the black community in a certain sense is in denial towards sexuality???🕛🧠🪞🔄
Because many are Christian, Jewish, or Muslim, which are self-denying Abrahamic religions.
Frequent sexual abuse rampant in the community is one thing. Let's not act like this isn't a HUGE contributing factor to queerness.
The way you articulate is so tea! Keep it up. You're quickly becoming one of my favorite video essayists ❤
Thank you so much!!
@@PrinceShakurRUclips you're welcome!!
I heard this on a documentary years ago about him being unsure about his sexuality and if I am not mistaken he wasn't that nice to his wife. Doesn't negate from his achievements.
well he could not please her sexually perse her letter
Meaning like verbally abusive or just full on wife beating?
@@cjsonofdj6228 I think it was more emotional
@@gurlwhowants2dj Wouldn't surprise me if he was on some manipulative shit
@@cjsonofdj6228I think he was very unfaithful idk
first off, ur production is stunning, the coloring of this video is beautiful. second, i’m so glad i found ur page!! ur doing amazing work, and i can’t wait to see where you go
Thank you so much!!
This is a necessary conversation. Although I don’t believe Malcolm was queer or bisexual, the reaction to the idea of Malcolm being queer is most certainly blatant homophobia. Malcolm was a bit homophobic if you check out his comments about Bayard Rustin “the only thing I hate more than a black man who acts like a white man is a black man who acts like a white woman” he later said when asked about Bayard Rustin by a reporter he stated “Bayard Rustin is nothing but a homosexual”. Contrasting this to his relationship with James Baldwin is interesting as he had a great deal of respect and admiration for Baldwin. Seems like his friend Jimmy Baldwin was more accepted by the movement I wonder why that is. I can say with a degree of certainty that had he lived he would have rejected the label as queer or bisexual regardless to if he was at one point. At best he would’ve taken the idea and attitudes of his pupil Huey Newton who was much more benevolent to queerness than many of his contemporaries. I don’t think he can be labeled as a queer icon because his work was not explicitly pro LGBTQ
Why is it labeled as homophobia? Why can't it just be you're speaking on someone who cannot defend that and you're ASSUMING/IMPLYING someone is. The same way you guys tell us don't assume your sexuality, don't do that on that dead. Especially when you have no substantial evidence.
@@jmelanierenee you used the word "defend" as though it were a bad thing. Otherwise why would you need a defense?
As though him being bi some how tarnishes his legacy. That is the homophobia. It's not just a fear, it's also a disgust and most importantly, it's also irrational.
And religion is inherently irrational being based of faith and hope rather than anything you can test.
A lot of gay/bi black men that are homophobic and gay bash are the same thing they bash. I am a gay man I know what I’m talking about
@@CA-pp5nx be that as it may he does not have a positive queer legacy.
I’m sorry you had such pain in coming out. This was a wonderful video. Very reflective and nuanced. I learned a lot. I’m definitely going to watch the first video you made on Malcolm X. Happy Pride 🏳️🌈
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. Sooo insightful! New sub!
This channel is so important. The last block of this video pulled tears
Malcom X was not bi sexual brother.
How do you know that?
@@bombast718 because the evidence does not hold up to scrutiny
I wanted to rant so badly, but the Lord said "Girl, be quiet." I really appreciate you touching on this topic because I have heard a long time ago about Malcom possibly being bisexual. If people hate your takes on this, then they would hate Ti's Hot Mess History because she spilled all types of tea regarding certain heroes with sources to back them up. Keep doing you and keep challenging these folks ❤❤❤.
Aw thank you for the encouragement!!
Glad to see this kinda video out there!
Thank you
It’s also sad /a shame that within black communities, dl /bi/and just discreet sex between men is frowned upon the most by the very same men having sex with each other ….. it’s like “ doth protest to much “ ie. The girls masculine boyfriend calling out gay bits as they walk through town , to hit up and have sex with the very same boys after dark or when they can meet secretly and be alone …… it’s crazy ..!!!
❤❤❤Great Vid, sexuality isn’t talked about enough and given the thought and depth it deserves, it affects literally everyone, and can change and fluctuate, even people like Malcom X. Thanks for taking the time to share and discuss this history!
You are such an inspiring thought leader for our generation! Truly enjoying my journey through your book (whenever I can manage to find the free time 😅)
You're so kind. Thank you ♥️
People always freak out when i saw Im Muslim and Bi
I read he was a prostitute, so it probably hurt him, especially to admit. It didn't sound like he'd made peace with that.
I read the authorised biography and another book correcting it.
Yeah the authorized biography has a laundry list of problems. Poor scholarship and citations. Marble stated he had some significant changes to make and died before he could make them so who knows.
Excellent submission.
Thanks for listening
I don’t believe Minister Malcolm was bisexual. But, even if he was it doesn’t change my feelings about him.
Minister Malcolm was an articulate, intelligent Black man who devoted his life to the freedom and equality of Black people. He was one of the greatest Black men born in the USA.
That’s all I have to say.
Because he wasn’t bisexual, that has been a lie for years
Great video! I really appreciate your perspective
This is such a fantastic discussion, I'm very glad your channel was recommended to me. Pride month should be an opportunity to confront queer erasure, highlight queer history, and uplift queer people most in need of visibility and celebration (goes without saying that this is especially important for queer Muslims as pinkwashing continues to be weaponized against them.) Thank you for this. 💙
Thank you
Thanks for doing the good work!
My pleasure!
A wonderful thoughtful essay. Great discussion.
The fact so many see you debating or bringing up if he was bisexual as "character assassination" is pretty revealing how much the audience sees and deems being LGBT as a negative.
If he was, what would it matter past asking "why was this hidden from us". If not then who cares as well cause being called Bi or Gay is not a negative..... unless you a bigot 🤔
TRULY
Thank-you for another wonderful and greatly appreciated sharing. The past, the present, and the future has and will not ever be just hetero, european, or even close to being just about ego of the human animal. The whole living world that has existed and continues to endure has been a gloriously multifaceted and enormously rich bio-diverse/soul diverse landscape. Humans wouldn't be anywhere without the connection to the plant world, let alone the varied relations of the undomesticated forms of very intelligent life (the "wild" animal species). The same is true of the american nation that has thrived and persevered from its ongoing multiracial/multicultural appropriation/colonization. Plus, the fact that so many queer POC have always nurtured, sustained, cultivated, and inspired human evolution (but not just) and so much more is proof of our significance to the planet's health, joy, and evolution. WE ARE SACRED.
Thank you for this video. Keep going. ✊🏿
Thank you for watchig
It’s interesting that you mention Malcolm X’s sexuality because before he blew up on the national scale, he had a murky past that he wasn’t proud of. I have read a biography about him that has primary and secondary sources and there are accounts of him having sexual relations with men.
The book is called “Malcolm: The life of a black man who changed America” by Bruce Perry
I'll choose his autobiography over a bio. No hate but let's not try to rewrite history off of speculation
Oh well & this matters why 🤷♂️ cuz the power he still has today...
The most irritating about being queer and Black and perceived as a woman, is how queerphobic, transphobic, and misogynistic Black folks want our labor and invisibility at the same time. We’re expected to be silent obedient, but radical players on everyone’s behalf but our own. “You’re Black first.” No. I’m PERCEIVED as Black first. But I exist as a whole human all the time.
Ate no crumbs.
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Great thought-provoking video. I genuinely feel bad for the commenters who feel the need to say (yet have nothing else to offer besides) “lies” or “who cares” because they clearly never developed the willingness or capacity to engage in thoughtful social discussion.
I always wanted to know how Malcom X and his contemporaries of Nation of Islam would have felt and thought about the AIDS Pandemic in the 80s-90s. if he was still here with us.
People will say anything for some clicks. Rewrite history and everything.
Okay
White man taught us…
Oh I have SO many thoughts on the incredible content you packed into this video, but the ones I'm going with are 1. Thank you, this is so interesting
2. I would love to hear your take on how the potential queer erasure of Malcolm X and the topics you already hit on tie in with colonization and the ways and reasons behind the white washing that has occurred as a direct result of colonial violence
3. If it wasn't for women and afabs most revolutions wouldn't have happened, so like wtf?
4. the idea that it was Malcolm's violent masculinity alone that drove his activist nature and power, is misguided and asinine at best. You need the cold calculation of feminine energy to target all that masculine rage. Malcolm X was so powerful because of his balance of masculinity and femininity.. We'd be better off as a population if people realized that and worked towards balance in their own lives
Malcolm x was not bisexual. Stop lying
Many people are bisexual-why does that cause problems for you?
And you know how? You’d be surprised the kind of men hit me up and they don’t fit the “stereotypical” gay image
@@CA-pp5nx Don't sweat that. She just keyboarding. Look @ her page.
This story was spot on and coincidentally I just finished watching a Tamron Hall video about a young gay at an HBCU. Of course, his stories got him a second slot from the rave of his last showing but the way black people visually see gay as something good is when the guest was a football player, masculine, and large in size that his homosexuality was acceptable. This double standard that before this dude there were so many more gay black men attending HBCU academically smart yet his feminine swag and pink hair got him less attention, awareness from the black community, and most likely ignored in an ostracized manner is all double standard yet sad coming from a daily and continuous struggle to exist. Oh well so much for a collective struggle for advancement as a people.
Y’all missing the point. It’s not “was he gay”, it’s that his impact is the same whether he was queer or not. They are our Leaders, loved ones, friends, etc. we have to accept and understand there is genuinely no difference between us.
Also it’s hilarious when people say Islam is “hateful” or “radical” as if it’s not an abrahamic religion…it’s just Christianity w a different starting point
I had no idea this was a thing 😮
Yeah before he was in the nation of Islam ther was someone saying he would spend the night over a white guy house who was gay
Yeah it’s a rumor started by his nephew that never knew him lol
Sad how we treat each other and
This thing about Malcolm being Bisexual is not new..it has been explored before..What I've come to over the years about Malcolm & I was around when he was still alive & when he was with the nation .is Men have situational sex, in prison, hustling , & for experimentation. Just like some S.G.L/gay men do with women .But their default sexuality is what it is, be it straight, S.G.L /gay etc. But to than try & put him in a queer identity for me is a bit of a stretch & over reach in my view..The truth is we will never know & frankly I don't care.what he did sexually ,what we do know is that he loved his wife & daughters & was our Crowning Prince..So glad that I was around than as a young Black man to witness his Greatness ..!!
Everybody is not gay or bi. I went to jail for 18 months didn't have sex with any guys because I'm not into that. All this situational shit is not real imo. Ive been to one gay bar one time wit a cousin for his birthday, was I hit on sure but we're the gay guys in the bar who were predominately black gay guys weren't all in my face or throwing themselves at me. A guy can be surrounded by gay people and still not sleep with none of them. Its about who u are as a guy.
@@Joshjoshomg Well maybe not for you but that does not discount those & who do have situational sex ,depending on the circumstances. Also their are both men & women who are asexual ,not really turned on to physical sex; I had a good buddy like that. Sexuality is a complex thing meaning different things to different people..Their are those who are Sapiosexual ,those who are turned on to highly intelligent people, So I would never discount your personal experiences , I've met & known others who have did time, who did engage in situational sex, but when the got out, went right back to wives or girlfriend, in their lives..I've also known men who had wives & children for many years , but doing the second half of their lives in their 50's got divorced & lived the other half of their lives as S.G.L/gay Black men.Their are many ways to be sexual or not in this world..
👁🙏🏾👁 With all due respect. Great questions around the Queer community yet the queer community doesn't need Malcom or others to address these issues. Comes across as click baiting and sub searching. The info you seek and tons more exist without having to guess.or stab in the dark. Queer/Bi erasing has nothing to do with Malcom as I know that he didn't discriminate against Queer people and was human enough to BE OUT!!! BI or whatever his preferences were he would be transparent. He supported the queer activst of his day.
The statement that if he was Bi ("It would have made him cooler") is extremely telling...
Muslim does NOT equal homophobic. Thanks for mentioning this. I've been shouting for years that it's complicated. I was raised in a homophobic white evangelical dominated small town in America then deployed to rural Helmand province Afghanistan only to find out the region from Lashkar Gah to Kandahar was practically "The Castro" of South Asia. (Two good sources on this are the "bisexual loophole" pages from Bi by Julia Shaw and the Human Terrain Team 6 report titled: "Afghanistan Human Terrain Team Pashtun Homosexuality." You can imagine my shock having been beaten and called slurs as a teenager in my hometown only to be dropped of in Sangin to find boys wearing makeup and holding hands in the streets without being bothered. (Granted this DID come at the cost of women being basically property.)
wtf you yapping about
I hope that your comprehension skills improve someday good luck
This is the biggest lie ever told 😮😊he was not bi stop lying
You can not know that. Nor can anyone say that he definitely was. That is acceptable.
Here because of FD Signifier, but this was a great listen. I love this discussion
Just because he may have engaged in sex work ti survive doesn't mean he was bi sexual. But why does his sexuality matter in terms of the work that he did?
Because this guy wants to do what yt ppl do… dilute a radical leader. I’ve yet to see many truly radical lgbtq people. They are always integrationists wrapped in tough language. Notice they usually have a non-black partner. They are in denial about their allegiances.
He's WAS down but he got up again . Don't count him out just yet. He'll be back, back on his feet.
This is far from over. You haven't seen the last of him. They can say that he won't stay around but he's gonna stand his ground and he's not gonna fake it cause he can take it. There 'll be no bow out , this is not the end. He's down now but he'll be standing tall again, he's not buffed but he was built tuff and He's gonna show what's he's made of. This is far form over, he is far from over, we haven't seen the last of Joe.
As someone who’s in the queer community, I’m offended by your videos implying he was a part of this community. Not because being bi or queer is wrong - because it is NOT! But because you are not checking the actual source of your information. We can’t just reference sources and not research those same sources. The yt man who wrote that piece , got those stories from the NOI….The same NOI who made stories up and slandered him whilst he was alive ….NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE TRUE BUT BECAUSE HE FELL OUT WITH ELIJAH MUHAMMAD….the same people who fabricated stories- the same stories that got him unalived… And many of those people were fed these stories BY the F.B.I…..who helped orchestrate him being deleted from this earth. It’s unfair to further this narrative! He’s not here to confirm or deny…His family has been vocal AlliES and here you go! Just reckless! It’s unfair to assume who you are in community with but maybe I need to remind you that you don’t have the privilege that these yt
men have!!! Gay yt menz walk around with that type of privilege ..! And we’re seeing how they have strong armed their way into the trans community and redefined it for themselves….and now this. There’s plenty for subjects who are ALIVE who’s
sexuality you can explore but I’m sure you wont! !
Wait, Malcom X’s family supports the LGBTQ+ community?
@@mistercinderfella his daughters do. Malcolm did not.
@@ThaReck36 he wasn’t homophobic , nor was he an ally
@@truthteller0785 “Bayard Rustin is nothing but a homosexual!” Malcolm X
@ThaReck36 1st of all, what does that have to do with my initial statement?! 2nd, Whats your source? 3rd, AND? He was! Nothing wrong with being one..
I’ve grown up with Muslims and people from west Asia/Middle East, a percentage of them are gay, just like every other religion and culture. 5% of the people in this world are gay. Since the beginning of time, it’s been the same. I don’t know the percentage of people that are Bi, but my guess would be that it’s at least 30%. People are people.
I’ve ALWAYS thought Malcom X was fine! I don’t care what he said he was, had he ever been around me, he’d have had a BI experience.
I think these speculations could be due to the insecurities of the speculators. Malcolm X appeared to be very solid in both his masculinity and his identity, if either was fractured I do not think he could have taken the stand that he took.
He is the type of man that is either very rare or that just doesn't exist. He wasn't just being strong for himself, he was being strong for an entire community of people.
I would term this conversation "intelligent speculations."
if it was the truth then the whole reason he died was because he wasted his whole time dealing with the Nation or Sunni Islam and it all wasn't worth it
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My reaction is that if you’re trying to evoke some kind of emotion from Black People about Malcom X being Bisexual with facts to back it up, then that’s one thing. But if you’re doing it just to get a reaction from Black People then you got the response you deserve. Are you trying to turn Malcolm X into some kind of Gay Icon, or what? Whether if he was bisexual or not, what does it prove in the grand scheme of things? Not every Man is Bisexual, or Heterosexual. Sexuality is as fluid as water from a faucet. It really doesn’t change the fact that he was one of our Civil Rights leaders and trying to make him something other than what he was just makes you look like you’re trying to promote YOU! And that won’t help you get to where you’re trying to go.
Not down with queer people?
@@PrinceShakurRUclips Of course i’am down with Queer People, just because you’re Queer doesn’t mean everyone else is, whether they are famous or not. Malcom X was no mere celebrity, so trying to place him in the tabloid journal isn’t going to sit well with most people Gay or Straight. What facts do you have about his sexuality? And what does it matter now in 2024? Are you claiming that if he was Gay then is there any evidence of him promoting the Gay agenda, or are you still wishful thinking? Just trying to figure out what you’re trying to accomplish my making a statement that Malcolm X was Bisexual. It has nothing to do with you as a person, all i want are the facts, or it’s nothing more then rumor.
He’s sick though. That’s something we have to acknowledge as we approach individuals like this. They aren’t well in the head.
@@darrylmccants7280 I think you may not have understood the discussion. The larger issue here is not tabloid sensationalism, it is about discomfort in the black male community with homosexuality and sexual fluidity. I'm not sure why but lesbianisme does not seem to attract this same level of rage. This very virulent reaction is not limited to the black community and strangely has some very odd kinks in the white community such as visibley gay men taking postures of persecution of homosexuality. Who can ever forget the infamous Roy Cohen, so brilliantly depicted in "Angels in America".
@hollandanish5557 black men usually associate the willingness to let a man have his way with you with weakness and being that black men face the harshest racism available and second harshest patriarchy to black women who also lay twisted standards on their black men ofc theres gonna be plenty of pushback to this. It feels like people are testing you with the idea of sexual fluidity to see if you'll break frame and then persecute you for it making it your fault, listen to all our rap and reggae music, listen to black womens proclamations about "weak men" "emotional men" "mommas boys" "if i wanted a lil boy id have a son" etc. So they feel like "you might get them with that bs but not me" they wanna be strong to protect themselves, their family, and community because if all falls down or gets ugly and the black men aren't able to hold the line nobody else is poised to take the blame but straight men and moreso men in general. Imagine how that would feel knowing the history of what we've been dragged through? Thats whats in their minds, they dont take "boys" crossdressers and femboys seriously as far as the warlike nature of surviving in america is concerned, they dont respect their anger or ability to fight back like big scary men and are aware of how things could get to that point anyday where we'll (as in all the women children and queers) need those hypermasculine individuals who aren't trying to negotiate or educate and simply fight fire with fire lest be mowed down unflinchingly like the Palestinians who have all but gone the way of the natives atp, that was a clear example thats been set, no amount of logic, truth, humanity, history, negotiation or education could or will stop those colonizers from "finishing the job" and who would've thought that? Dont get me wrong homophobia is a disease and unbecoming of any prosperous group of educated loving people but i just hope folks dont lose touch of who their talking to and trying to educate because that would be a tragic chasm in awareness that i pray isnt the common standard as our country grows more fascist by the day outside the bubble of queerdom and the allies to the real encompassing struggle
Black Americans = Black
African Descent/diaspora is what I think you mean.
Using race? aka skin color ?= Black is not a real categorization. Indigenous people can have dark skin. Non African-descent people can have kinky hair.
I meant the words I used
@@PrinceShakurRUclips food for thought. Not everything is an attack. Vocabulary grows and changes. Change is the ONLY think that is constant in this life. Don't get stuck not growing because of ego. Be blessed.
Hadith is Ha Deeth
I’m glad you’re talking about this. People like to act like Black LGBTQIA Members don’t deserve support and even inclusivity as it pertains to pride, or even Black History. But, Gay Black folks are the most important people in American History. I.E, Malcolm X.
Truly . Thank you for watching
I didn’t know you were Jamaican.
Yeah my family immigrated
You can’t just assert that Malcolm X was Bi-Sexual there’s only three people who assert that Manning Marable, Peter Tatchell, Bruce Perry and it’s speculative and fictitious. I think it’s dangerous for you to queer-wash a Black icon that has never identified as such especially when James Baldwin exist smh
When did I assert anything?
@@PrinceShakurRUclips you mean other than your very thumbnail???? Like what lol
Malcolm was not homosexual or bisexual yall want to turn every upstanding man into a gay it's sick. Get some help. Even the FBI said Malcolm was closest to what a saint would be. He loved his wife and children.
I love the work of James Baldwin. This is a stretch of armstrong proportions fam. When someone is passed and can't confirm or deny rumors many decades after hes passed especially rumours that havent came from the klan just popped up outta nowhere and you speead those rumours like it was true you're just rewriting history for your benefit, and disrespecting the dead. No disrespect to you personally but this isn't classy Bro.
I disagree but I respect what you're saying
Okay the rumors came from his estranged nephew in a memoir he wrote that was full of misinformation about his own family. So again it’s not necessarily an attack on his legacy by “the man” but it’s a sensational topic! I don’t believe it’s true HOWEVER if it WAS true it wouldn’t change a THING about his legacy
This was an attempt to ruin his legacy in the black community. That book by Marable where these accusations were presented were extremely dubious. It’s also strange how he died right as that book was being released as if to silence him from disputing deceiving edits to his work.
While I agree that marables book is the worst book on Malcolm the rumors predate marable. But they all come from sources that modern researchers have to abandon for scholarly reasons
@@ThaReck36 I never heard of this nonsense before that book. What are these sources?
@@stephendye672 his nephew he never knew was the main one, I don’t recall the other sources but like I said most biographers either retract that information or altogether say the source was unreliable that’s why I don’t believe it
F.D. Signifier sent me.
Wow. Didn't know they mentioned me until I saw this comment!! Thank you
I mean how is Islam not tied inherently to homophobia, just like christianity
Alright this is misrepresenting information to point toward a false conclusion buddy. This is borderline Slander.
Spreading lies about people straight up slander🤬😡.
I wish Malcolm X's family knew about this video, so they could file a defamation lawsuit.
That’s an ignorant statement and wrong,queer erasure is not something that’s not something that has significance to muslim history,saying that means that you don’t really understand what the fundamentals of being a Muslim is and what our history is and isn’t and whats important to us in those aspects,it’s like you’re trying to be inclusive but don’t care to actually be it and just say that to say it. 1:37
*i’ll keep watching to hear what you have to say in its entirety and try to understand what makes you say this or why you feel justified in just brushing off why we this is disrespectful to us.
Pass me talcom malcom!
Our heroes die and they try to assassinate them again even in death. 🤦🏽♂️
Oh boo hoo get a grip
@@deee71194 nobody asked the rainbow coalition to speak on it, we already kno how you feel abt it.
Can you stop with the damn missinformation, MALCOM X own family came out and said he was never bisexual...
I'll think about it
I mean, certain members of my own family would confidently tell you that I’m a straight woman. They’d be wrong, but they’d definitely tell you that. 🤷
@@VannahSavage if we’re being honest his family wouldn’t know either way. I don’t believe he was bisexual cause the evidence doesn’t hold up but it doesn’t change his legacy if it were true
If he was it DEFINITELY 💯 made him cooler!!!
I would only challenge that because his words and actions were not really pro queer at all. In some cases you could say he was homophobic
@@ThaReck36 I would agree if he had lived during more modern times but the way things were back then for a black man period, let alone a bisexual or gay black man, were hostile to the point that those things were underground and people had no choice but to stay in the closet if they wanted to survive or especially thrive.
Straight up anti capitalist, leftist, revisionist history. 🚮
Not everything is lgbtq ya 🤡
I don't think he was bi and I'm wary in general of assigning our current conception of sexual and gender identities onto historical figures unless there's a lot of substantial firsthand evidence of them aligning with our current definition. It's super easy to for example erase historical figures who saw themselves as a genderfuck or transvestite into being nonbinary or binary trans folks but that's NOT what those people identified as and their own labels had nuances to them that made them feel most accurate for them in their life. Malcolm X did do sex work with men, that's an absolute fact, but that doesn't mean he felt he was bi. Being a hustler was in itself a role/identity that made same-sex sex acts permissible and separate from a mans own sexual self-identity.
WHO CARES WHO MALCOLM X KISSED ... TO ME THIS IS BLACK-ON-BLACK CRIME... THE ONE WHO CALLS IT OUT, IS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT FARTED
Brother Malcolm was not a membet of the Alphabet Community.
Facts
Disrespectful.
Okay
I gave you a thumbs down because your thumb nail shows Malcolm X and his "bisexuality" but so far all you seem to discuss in this video is the history of the LBBTQIA+ community worldwide.
That's why there's two videos about it. This is the second
There is no such thing as homophobia. No one is scared of homosexual Black men.
The Quran strictly and I MEAN strictly prohibits the practice of homosexuality. How you feel about that is up to you but the Quran is clear and is ALL Abrahamic religions. Malcolm X was a steadfast Muslim and so we keep stating that it is insulting because this is something that devout believers follow and thus Malcolm X himself would not follow it. Either you follow the word and believe in it or not. These reinterpretations by more modern/ liberal people are fundamentally opposed to the traditional values and faith of these Abrahamic religions. So while LGBT people have always existed the Muslims that depicted or participated in such acts are doing something that is haram. May brother Malcolm rest in peace and please be respectful to his family and try to see another point of view.
All religions are merely unscientific human opinions. All sexual orientations are natural and found in all species and human cultures, regardless of their faiths and politics. Every sexual orientation dates from the Stone Age, based on recent fossils of a gay caveman found in Europe. Islam was founded during the Middle Ages. Malcolm X's sexuality is unknown and probably only speculated here because certain details of his pre-Muslim life seem familiar to the host, who is of the LGBT community. He probably means no disrespect to him or your faith. Still, he merely considers his sexual orientation a further reason to admire him as a member of his ethnic group, since that is how the queer community sees itself.
Martin and Malcolm really
I find this very disrespectful this man is no longer with us. And nor is he able too defend himself concerning any of this. So sad
It was written in a book about his life …. Oh that’s right …. Most don’t read to know that ..!.!
He does not intend this as malicious gossip, since he is a gay rights activist discussing his life during Pride Month, so he considers Malcolm a hero to his group.
@@prekcop *it was written in 2 of the worst books about his life.
@@darlalathan6143 I only think that’s flawed cause Malcom never considered himself queer and was lowkey homophobic
I like that it's disrespectful to ask the question. Why is queerness an insult? It takes nothing away from him, it just exposes why you specifically think about queer people. That they're not valid. Speculation hurts no one. There's a non-zero chance that a man of his stature, someone well aware of the black community and all of America's homophobia at the time, chose to not share that part of himself. Discussing that is not disrespectful, because who he had the capacity to love takes away literally nothing from his impact and accomplishments. The only way it can is if you think queers are less than to begin with. Denying human complexity does nothing to help our community and serves only to keep us under the boot.
The profit of Islam was gay
Who
@@whome3543 Abu al Qasim the lost profit of Islam was pure GAY
Yes... he was bisexual. This is well known as he mentioned it in his biography...or at the very least he was gay for pay. Now after her joined the Nation of Islam, I'm sure he put that part of his life away and never acted on it again... but he mentioned this in his biography. There's a lot of homophobia out this...and that's why they are afraid. Because of their hate and disdain for homosexuality, they can't imagine their heroes to have engaged in it. But the fact of the matter is that none of that should change how we feel or think about him and his legacy. He wasn't perfect, he wasn't god...and being bisexual should even matter about him being perfect or imperfect.
You clearly never read his autobiography. You must be reading from Marables monstrosity of a biography
RUclips won't let me say what I want to say but you know you're playing with your life, fact.
Yawnnnnn
It is not that deep dude lmao. I love Malcolm too and you can make your point without being corny and fragile
Beyond disrespectful - and I for one do not believe it. He never said he was and there are no men out there who knew him to be that way. Absolutely ridiculous. Your fear of gay erasure does not give you permission to defame a dead man. And I am for gay rights - have no issues about gay people. I just honestly feel like you are reaching pretty low on this one
I disagree
Your jumping to the wording of "defame" outs your feelings about homosexuality. You cannot simultaneously have "no issues about gay people" and consider labelling someone as bisexual to be defamatory.
I don’t think he was reaching cause he never asserted that Malcolm was queer at all. The conversation Mr Prince Shakur is proposing is really about the conversation itself not so much the fact of the matter cause we will never know.
Queer erasure? Sexuality is erased with the death of the individual🤔 Malcolm's sexuality wasn't good claim to fame and nor should it b anyone's.
Sexuality is a private individual matter, well to include partners but NOT necessarily for public collective consumption. I have never ever discussed, let alone presented my sexuality unto others.
There's is so much more to ALL ppl, not just the sexual component. It's NOT my biznez‼️
OK cool
Actually, sexuality leaves children, descendants, surviving spouses, lovers, and groupies if you're a celebrity. Also, people date in public places such as movie theaters, restaurants, and marry in houses of worship, and courthouses, which become public records and even news, if one is royalty, in show business or history.
This is such garbage your need to stop what you r doing this slander and blasphemy may Allah, Buddha,yawah forgiveness to u
Nope
In the absence of compelling empirical evidence, you have repeatedly denigrated Malcolm X's name by alleging that he was bisexuality. He was a heterosexual man and just to suggest the contrary is calumnious. Arguing that Islam lacks diversity and inclusion is one thing, but to suggest Malcolm X was bisexual is another. Your conclusion does not logically follow from your premises. Alas, your argument lapsed into a non sequitur. In short, you have failed to make the case that Malcolm X was indeed bisexual. Lastly, simply because someone is in opposition to your badly constructed sophistic argument does not mean that the person is engaged in homohobia. This assessment is also fallacious. It means that you failed to proffer a cogent argument for acceptance.
Your bigotry is showing. It doesn't denigrate Malcolm X to talk about him and his life. You only think it's a denigration because of your own bigotry. Ask yourself why you think it's a bad thing and then ponder on that for a while. Maybe you'll learn some things about yourself.
@Caroleeena Ad hominem attacks are not evidence. I am not a bigot. You are misusing the term bigotry. You need to work that out. You seem to be stuck, Boo. Focus on establishing on whether my statements are true or false. Attacking me will not bring you closer to the truth, for I am not the subject.
How would someone make an argument for some aspect of his sexuality he may have been ashamed of or made ashamed of when he could see evidence for how he would be ounished for talking about it?
His sexuality, just as much as his politics, do not denigrate him. Your bigotry thoughhhhhhhh....
How do you know he was strictly heterosexual?
Just Admit you are homophobic
This is disrespectful.
how?
No queer erasure is disrespectful.
Not to mention the erasure of what was part of the brilliant person he became.
Does anyone know what the dislikes are? I can’t see them even if I sign out.
@@Dimi374 Regardless of the big terminology you choose to use this is misinformation and agenda based. Same trick new pony. Malcolm X was a straight man with a beautiful black wife.
@@aiyanasprose self explanatory
Amd really straight boys can't look up to a man if his power and strength involve vulnerability and tenderness. They NEED to verify that they can be Real men without vulnerability....