Ironically. In the WWE, especially after the brand split, he had some of the best matches. This guy could legit go 15 minutes without any of this cosplay ECW bs. Now he just wants to bleed in meaningless matches every week.
The issue with Moxley, for me, is that he treats EVERY MATCH like it's a Blood Feud Grudge Match. If he were more like Dean Ambrose during matches like his one with Takeshita and Yuta and bring out "Jon Moxley" in the ACTUAL BFGMs, I may be able to get into him.
That's the one thing ECW introduced to wrestling (and promotions like CZW promulgated) that I can't get into.....having not one wrestler, but *tonnes* of wrestlers whose character arch is "they want a bloody fight no matter the opponent" which in turn takes the heat off of a feud that's supposed to be the big draw. It's not so much a problem with Moxley specifically but that he doesn't stand alone in this regard. For e.g., when Brody and Abdullah would go at it, well......obviously they were monsters size-wise, which helps, but it was also the subtle message to a territory's audience "yeah, anyone in this promotion can get extra violent if they hate their opponent enough......*these* guys tho....*these* guys are crazy." When you have an abundance of "deathmatch" workers though; how do you get the super feuds across?
@@brycemcneil4404 Exactly; back in the territories, you could get away with it because these guys weren't seen every week for years on end, so when the blood thirsty monster came into town, it was an attraction. If there were even ONE other wrestler that was a mainstay in that territory that had that gimmick, no one would've cared about Abdullah or Brody, unless they were specifically brought in to face that guy.
For all of wwe's faults with the booking of Dean ambrose, the one thing that went right for him was in matches where he had time but stayed within the ring, he was actually not bad. He wasn't Seth Rollins good but he never needed to be. He had a decent baby face fire, good at selling and even in matches where he had to use weapons (because of wwe hating blood at the time) he did well within the restrictions and there in lies the problems with aew Jon moxley. What restrictions does he have other than don't die or don't kill anyone? I've always found that Dean ambrose could get the most out of a match when he's limited because he plays to those limits fairly well. When there's Noone to tell him he'll be dq'd for using that weapon, or that the count out will go on for 6 whole minutes, or that he can start the match by yeeting himself and his opponent to the outside, he just kinda goes all over the place. He can be a decently good wrestler. His moveset is simple and effective, no need for high risk offense, good at selling injured limbs and honestly he has great facial expressions when he's in pain but gosh darn is it so tedious to watch any of his current matches. It really feels like instead of bringing the absolute best of Dean ambrose with him and incorporate that into Jon moxley, he discarded Dean altogether and picked up Jon moxley from almost 2 decades ago
Yep, it is like the Russo effect-his worst excesses were allowed in WCW & we saw how bad he was. Same thing with AEW-there is nobody to filter or restrict Jericho, Hardy, Moxley etc-so they end up being totally insufferable.
I challenge anybody to watch a moxley match and pay attention to how many times realistically he should be disqualified or at least severely reprimanded by the referee. It's so obvious the guy just does whatever the hell he wants because Tony Khan is a mark for the man for some reason, (and he's making millions of dollars so he doesn't give a damn about putting on good matches... just stupid garbage hardcore nonsense).
I remember back in the 90s smart fans used to judge harshly if a wrestler immediately went to the outside. Now they think a wrestler who does so is great.
@@smellywaffels1967 yes we did. Going to the outside generally meant that you were going to have to use the steel barricade or the table as a weapon because you didn't have any in ring wrestling ability. You usually saw this with hardcore stipulations or street fights which are used to hide wrestlers. Vince McMahon versus Stone Cold Steve Austin was one such kind of match. Ric Flair versus Vince McMahon was another kind of match that utilized these rules because they weren't going to have a barn burner in the middle of the ring. If you take it back to the seventies and '80s when Ric Flair would roll outside of the Ring it was Ring psychology to avoid the baby face by going to the outside. It was a total heel move and now Moxley is sitting here on the outside grabbing weapons in a normal match on a Wednesday night without any stipulations and representing not even the AEW Championship but an INTERIM belt. Sad!!
@@planexshifter If i had to choose who to watch between Mox and Omega, I'm picking Mox every time. Omega is just awful in all respects. At least Mox doesn't come of as a whiney lil bitch in conjunction with poor performance ability.
What upsets me the most about AEW is the lack of story telling I dont understand why the world champion would wrestle random matches on a random spot on the card.
Ambrose circa 2013 had an arrogance and swagger that I really liked. I thought he was charismatic enough - with that character - to be a top solo heel in the WWE. I liked how he performed when he was in the Shield as well. But everything from the commencement of the solo face run just didn't work for me at all.
I think this might be the best video in regards to describing the problem with Bad wrestlers and the influence they have on other people. Jim lays it out perfectly with the McDonald’s analogy there at the end too
Oh no. Another blind follower of the cult of Jim Cornette. Jim Cornette and Jim Cornette's fans are delusional,stubborn,and out of touch with the trends,morals and the real understanding of today's wrestling business.
The AEW boot licking white knight response is "get better tastebuds" These childish fans come up with any idiotic reason to discredit your opinion & it’s disgusting.
“Jim lays it out perfectly with the McDonald’s analogy” Such a fun sentence and somehow made perfect sense even before I heard the context. I saw that and was like “Well if anyone were going to make an accurate analogy between wrestling and McDonald’s, it’s Jim Cornette.”
Shield-era Dean Ambrose is who got me curious about wrestling again. He was the rallying personality in those excellent three-man matches, and his continued feud with Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens showed there was still something in him. These days, ech, I’m conflicted. I still do like his promos but he needs someone strong to bounce off for them to land most effectively. Otherwise he’s just giving a soliliquy that’s starting to get diminishing returns from familiar parts. And what I love about AEW is that I sometimes get the wrestling I love to watch (FTR, Deeb, Punk, Hobbs and Starks, some of Kingston) and Mox as a single hasn’t worked something I’ve loved in a very long time. Brian really hit it with the cult of personality bit. Part of what drew me to Ambrose was that charisma and learning what he went through in life. But now so long as Mox gets pops, and what audience there is for AEW buys the product in the percentage growth the buys have had, then he’ll get by on goodwill and leftover enjoyment of his personality.
He's gotta learn to throw a working punch. Most of his stuff looks phony. And even when he does work stiff it doesn't really look good. In wwe he had punk early on to work with to slow him down and rollins later to help in out. In the 3 man matches with the shield most of these weaknesses were hidden. But since he was has been single wrestler especially in AEW we are seeing him expose his own weaknesses. If he would slow down a bit then it would be better. He should have regal picking apart his matches telling him what he needs to do better.
@@mannyrivera4119 These are great points. The bit about slowing down in particular, ‘cause if AEW top-down runners-to-talent could use one thing it’s to learn to slow the hell down and let things breathe. Also what you said about Regal. Mox’s strikes aren’t much better, but Mox had tried to have better matches in the darn ring since Regal arrived.
@@nsanelycrazy Ric Flair - A star that everybody knows and imitates and carried the NWA on his back and was the leader of the Horsemen Moxley - An alcoholic with fake tougjness
I'd say atleast Jon doesn't proclaim he can beat anyone's ass in real life like others claim they can do One thing he's not lying about was his upbringing so, glad he's also not one of those people who lie about going through the gutter to sound cool
@@FreshPrincex4 yeah but his new gimmick looks like Steve Austin and Sandman had a bby. Hes trying to be put over in the "badass" gimmick but it doesn't suit him at all.
I think all the cocaine and alcohol use ruined moxley's mind. He caused stone cold to think he messed up the podcast episode, but Jonathan Good refused to answer simple questions. Lot's of people had a bad upbringing, but it's not offenesive to ask about your hometown and early life. He could use some roids and a better gimmick.
@@nicholasroberts7891As much as I can't stand him I agree with you, I cringed at John Morrison saying he can beat Cm Punk, Reigns, etc. after winning a shitty boxing fight, it was pretty cringe considering it came from a guy that got publicly cucked by a guy like Batista, the same Batista that is another fake though guy
They think it’s boring. Audiences today are conditioned to expect either flips and tricks or blood and brutality. Matches that are evenly paced and tell a story from beginning to end without relying on any of those things gets panned by casual fans as boring.
@@paulkendrick4153 No they’re not. They are spot monkeys who don’t understand how to tell a story and sell tickets, which is partially why wrestling has no way near the audience that it once did.
Mox definitely wrestles like he WANTS people to forget he was in wwe .. and make ppl think aew scooped him right out a bingo hall to fit I'm with the rest of the crappy wrestlers
Forget all this, can someone answer me why he has a problem losing a match ? When in the hell did he become AEW's Hulk Hogan. I can see Moxley in the back now "Lose....that doesn't work for me brother"
Moxley's whole act just seems so fake. With his walk and mannerisms, trying to show people how "crazy" he is. Point is, it doesn't look like he's a legit crazy fellow who might hurt his opponent. Just seems like he's trying too hard. Oh and not to mention the unnecessary blading and bleeding 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
In WWE, it was the announcers constantly astroturfing the Ambrose craziness, like it can be done in a single episode of Raw, versus something Ambrose would build up over time. Moxkey has assumed the task of insisting that one may serve chateau briand at a drive thru. It's fake, it doesn't work, anymore than hearing the announcers say "Seth Freakin Rollins" every other breath.
I cant take him seriously currently because his promos are always goofy and i find it so hard to watch him in the ring because its the same match every week, he bites them and then goes out to the floor to hit a big move then a paradigm shift 1 2 3
I'd love to also but when you really think about it, they'll just ignore him the whole time even though they'll know he's there but Tony will specifically tell the talent not to give him any attention and that'll be that
CNN has scared the shit out of him to ever to ever leave the house again because of covid. Cornette has been a recluse for almost 3 years because of it.
Blades and Bleed in 95% of his matches. Threw an immature hissy fit just because WWE didn't allow him to do his ridiculous extreme hardcore matches. He goes to bed every night getting an orgasm from just dreaming of blood, blading and bleeding.
Ambrose was fine in WWE even if their booking of him declined and devolved over the years. But Moxley now seems to be under the impression that, to be well regarded, he needs to do everything he wasn't able to do in WWE...all the time.
Lol oh, that Jim Cornette at it again. It's interesting how the one guy who isn't involved with the business anymore is still the only person left that's entertaining in wrestling. Love Jim Cornette 😆
Moxley is the modern day Sandman: Doesn’t wrestle, only knows how to use weapons and be in garbage stipulation matches. He would’ve been a perfect fit for the old ECW but not on anything that’s recent right now. But of course the marks love him because he likes to trash WWE and that blinds them from seeing that hes a horrible wrestler.
Tony Khan will push anybody that is anti-WWE. Getting released from WWE is the biggest storyline in front of Tony's eyes instead of the actual storyline.
For real! I've only been watching AEW for a month and a half and wow there is a bunch to critize about AEW and then moment you do the fan Boys are all over you. I watch both AEW and WWE and the one thing that baffles me is when AEW fans say their promos are better then WWE. AEW has maybe like 2 guys that can cut a good promo mic skills in AEW are optional
I will say this. His matches with Seth Rollins in WWE were amazing. I remember being so let down when I heard their first match against each other was going to be a lumberjack match (this was right when the shield broke up so Dean/Mox was a white hot babyface and Seth was the biggest heel in the industry) because no one in wwe has ever had a good lumberjack match but by god they went out there and had one of the best matches I’d seen in forever PLUS it was a great lumberjack match then a month or couple months later they had THE best Hell in a Cell match since HHH vs Cactus Jack. I was convinced Mox was the second coming of Stone Cold and he even had a cool quick finisher the double arm that one of the greats had (cactus jack) and it actually fit him perfectly. But then WWE put him in horrible stories and his matches where passable at best sometimes really good when he had a good opponent. His finisher changed to something that looked kind of stupid. So I was super excited when he left WWE because I thought they were holding him back and AEW is where Mox will be able to become the next stone cold like he should’ve become in WWE if it wasn’t for Vince. But then like Jim I just kept noticing him make one horrible decision after another carrier wise and his matches while at first where awesome just became the same thing over and over with the hardcore shite.... but all AEW wrestlers do to much I can’t tell you how many AEW matches I’ve seen that could’ve been all time great matches had they just stopped 5mins earlier. Like how can you tombstone a guy off the top rope and he kick out but then hit a clothesline 2mins later and get the pin fall. It’s like they don’t know how to build a proper match just cool move after cool move for 45mins and hope the fans think it’s good. But to be fair it’s still better than the quick tv Matches of the wwe. But when WWE is on point their main event matches or still unrivaled imo.... Mox and in extension all of AEW would do so much better if they calm it down a little. Like Mox should get a little more muscle on him and basically do the matches he does but focus on strongstyle and cut 5mins off the end and only use your finisher once and have it win the match and no hardcore stuff unless it’s a serious feud against top talent then break it out occasionally (I mean Mox does hardcore matches really good probably the best at them in wrestling right now but even Mic foley didn’t do hardcore stuff in every match). Thanks for reading my rant and this is only my opinion not trying to hate.
C Walser... thanks man. I am very passionate about wrestling probably too much so lol. I just knew I was going to get a comment saying “why did you write all this garbage” lol so thank you for reading my rant and being fair in your reply.
I remember a spot in the match when Mox Hit Seth with the Closeline and it was a moment I will never forget because it was the first time mox ever did it in wwe and seth set up the spot so perfectly
Mick made it come to life. He owned it. Mox is not a good actor, he isn't 100% commited and I get the feeling he's embarrassed while doing promos. It's either that or he's really really bad at it. Taker was the same, lived it owned it, was good at it. We just have to face reality, mox isn't actually good at it.
I severely overestimated Moxley. Way back when he was about to come in to AEW, he seemed like someone who came to hate the WWE and all of their limitations and had a fire lit under his ass because of it. I expected stiff & aggressive "strong style" Moxley. With all the worked shoots and whatnot. I remember watching footage of him in CZW and some of his promos on RUclips and I thought AEW was about to get their Brian Pillman. How utterly wrong I was. Instead, AEW got their Todd Stockley - part-owner of a biker saloon in Wisconsin and one of the most dreadfully boring wrestlers of the era. Someone who isn't even fit for a midcard title run in the WWE. (and I also fucking hate his god awful theme music. Wild Thing was fine the way it was - why did they have to butcher it)
Yeah, it seems like moxley has gotten worse over time. He used to be an awesome promo and a solid in ring worker, what happend to him? maybe losing his hair has affected his confidence. Or maybe hes just not hungry anymore now that hes made some money.
@@brianhanssens7996 I like both of them actually. But I crack up when I hear X's version because after the 2nd line, Margaret Whitton's "I hate this fuckin' song" line is just hilarious!
To be fair he worked really well for me in The Shield. As the unhinged third guy. The story would always be that at some point Ambrose lost his cool and then went apeshit. After Seth or Roman tried first. Then they gave him gimmicks as a single performer. Which had shades of Stone Cold but were waaaay more random. Like showing up to an arena with some kind of contraption on wheels. Stone Cold did the quad. Ambrose showed up with a hotdog cart (which got a pop from the locals there) But what I would have always liked to see more from him was some technical wrestling. If he did that once or twice on AEW. I think people'd really be surprised
ehh, it's how a lot of people are. My GF hates rats, and every single time a rat appears in a movie or TV show, she has to mention that she hates rats. A friend of mine hates clowns, and every time a clown is seen on anything or mentioned, he has to tell everyone again, even though he's been telling us constantly for 35 years. People are around ten times more likely to tell you about something they hate, than they are to mention something they like.
So often I disagree with Cornette on modern day wrestling but he is right about this guy. Mox is the guy you should be watching smash light tubes against some juggalo in a midwest backyard. Not a top guy of a nationally televised promotion.
@@bb-ballistics1706 or when he was part of the best group of the last decade and a grand slam champ. But yeah, let’s focus on that little fraction of his wwe career
Regarding Brian saying he can't see what anyone sees in him, it's literally only because he was in The Shield. Without that he'd be working in Impact or MLW & nobody would care about him. Can't say the same for Rollins & Reigns.
@@markrichardson8793 His following was no way near as big. He wasn't a CM Punk or Danielson, he was a middling indie guy. CZW is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and always has been.
@@TheLuw1997 He was as popular as Rollins in CZW and was originally the most over member of the shield before Vince made him third fiddle to Reigns and Rollins. Saying nobody would know who he was if not for the Sheild but to not say the same for Rollins and Reigns is a 100% biased opinion. He's cleary been one of the top 3 stars in aew actually the biggest star excluding Punk and Bryan.
He was great in WWE when he said he would never let Seth Cash in the briefcase. Then Seth beat him two ppvs in a row and Dean "forgot" about his pledge.
The moment where Dean Ambrose rooked Seth Rollins with the exploding green dye from The MITB case is still hilarious nearly eight years later!🤔😂🎤💼🤼♂️B.W.
Moxley being ‘the worst wrestler in the world’ is certainly a hyperbole on Jim’s part. Let’s be real. But for being a main eventer, multiple world champion, with the amount of influence he has in this particular company. The way it affects his colleagues booking, matches, and the way they will wrestle in the future… Then that’s where the problem is. And I like Jon. But yes, the more I watch him. The more it becomes evident that Jim is mostly right about the majority of it.
This is foolish. Moxley can work a pretty technical style if he wants. Problem with him is nobody has a leash on him rn so he does whatever he wants; which is usually death match BS.
@@jcgadfly6200 How did I contradict myself lol? I said he can work a more technical style when he wants, he just usually doesn’t want to. Seems to me you’re using big words you don’t know the meaning of, scamp.
@@Gum_Cuzzler that's why William Regal was such an excellent mentor for Jon. In FCW, Regal forced Jon to slow down, concentrate, learn the basics of mat-work and grappling and keep perfecting them.
It's like watching Sandman wrestle. He only knows hardcore and not really nothing else. Moxley has some great moments once in a while but it's definitely not in the ring.
I dont enjoy him anymore. 3 different match segments of “chop for chop”, “punch for punch”. Then he’s busted open. The swagger and attitude is phony. There is just this vibe and I dont like it
Even in WWE dean ambrose was a failure. -3rd most popular member in the shield. - Brock lesnar didn’t wanna work with him. - stone cold called him out on his podcast to his face.
Not the worst, but the hype on him has definitely died down. Him joining AEW was a big deal at the time, but he had a mediocre reign as their world champion and he's just pretty meh at this point.
Ambrose on the indies had a unique promo style and a James Dean sort of look that made me think he was gonna be the future. Been downhill since him vs. Regal in FCW.
Brian hit the nail on the head he has a cult following for some bizzare, unknown reason that keeps him in the upper midcard/ main event scene. He was always my least favourite shield member. No fan of Rollins but he's a solid worker/ good hand at least ( though not a main event guy) Moxley is just a dullard
Dear Alexandru, You are delusional. You have 0 IQ because you are easily getting brainwashed by people like Brain and Jim Cornette. Only cult here is the fan base of Jim Cornette. Jon Moxley's fans are genuine civilized people with high IQ,high class,and high standards. Jim Cornette's fans are people who are delusional,stubborn and out of touch with the trends,morals,and today's TV business value. The only reason Jon Moxley is one of the biggest wrestling stars in the world today is because Jon Moxley is cool,unique,and a badass. As simple as that.
@@alexandru5369 that’s fair but Rollins is not only a good worker he’s one of the best talents in the ring today he hasn’t put on a bad match it what feels like years at this point and he’s great on the mic so “not a main event guy” idk where that came from
I remember when the shield first came on the scene, everyone was comparing them to batman villains (ambrose-joker, rollins-two face, reigns - bane) mox had so much hype behind him everyone thought he was gonna be the breakout star, I mean he did but not to the level which I think everyone thought at the time. Also the wild thing song is getting played out
The crazy thing is that back in WWE Dean Ambrose was really good. Like Idk wtf happened with Moxley that he became so sloppy. When he tries he is actually pretty good but someone needs to tell him to stop with the hardcore shit and outside the ring BS.
If Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world, outside of context that would imply that Dwarf Dongsucker and Jelly Nutella are better than a multiple time world champion who's wrestled all around the planet. There's of course the stipulation of grading according to exposure, booking, etc (sort of like how you hold a more expensive car to a higher standard than you would an old hooptie), but it's still a funny thought.
Every match has blood therefore blood is standard. It is like when Lucas made an entire movie a special effect. When it becomes baseline, it becomes less special.
True, but that also goes the other way around, because both Rollins and Reigns were very akward on the mic in the beginning, so Ambrose carried them through promos.
Tony Khan should be investing on improving Josh Woods, as I feel he could easily have Jon Moxley's spot. The WWE did a great covering Moxley's faults. In AEW he is exposed as a one trick pony and I am surprised seeing he has amateur wrestling background.
He'll never be as bad as Nia "MY HOLE!" Jax was. Moxley was decent in the ring, especially when the WWE reeled him in. He's been on a crusade to die in the ring before Ric Flair does, but he was good. Nia Jax was never good, and was still featured prominently for years, week after week, wandering through the WWE botching and injuring wrestlers left and right.
"Can you be the shits and be popular?" Brian Last, you're a wrestling historian. I know you're trying to argue Moxley isn't that bad but come on now. Sandman was popular. 911 was popular. Ultimate Warrior was popular. Happy Humphrey was popular. Akebono! Giant Singh!
I've always thought exactly the same about Jon Moxley his matches are so sloppy. I never express my opinions about him because everyone who still watches wrestling I know likes him.
Maybe not the worst, but when he shows up on AEW, I turn it off. He's a boring worker, acts like a drug addict in promos, and always has glass or tacks or blood in his matches. Keep him in GCW.
Talking about the Choking being anticlimatic when that's the only thing Roman's been doing besides the other 2 moves lol That aside I'm also kinda in the middle regarding Mox, don't know how to get super excited when he competes.
The exception to the rule is if he's up against someone who can wrestle and guide him through a match. Most recent example I can think of is his match against Lethal a few months ago
I’d argue that Joey Janela is the worst wrestler in the world, but I can’t give him the dignity of calling him a wrestler.
I'm with you. I don't know about worst but he is terrible.
Hes the worst personality to ever appear on a wrestling show and take a bump - how about that
@pete bagwell that’s acceptable my friend.
I dunno, he did set his own leg on fire.
That was good.....
@@ronniesables9686 would have been better if they hadn't put him out and just let natural selection do its thing.
Ironically. In the WWE, especially after the brand split, he had some of the best matches. This guy could legit go 15 minutes without any of this cosplay ECW bs. Now he just wants to bleed in meaningless matches every week.
15 whole minutes wow
@@chrischar9428 All you need bruh no one but you marks want to see 30+ damn minute matches.
@@johnnyboogalo4897 sorry tweekers can't follow anything past 5 minutes
And lose title matches against nobodies in minor indy companies as well.
@@MinusTheRogueMore relevant now
He's not the worst, but I definitely don't care or have any interest in him or his matches
This right here.
@@networknosedive the shoulder shrug...
@@networknosedive All while looking like a 40 year old truck driver
ya well jim told you to not like him so
He always needs blood in his matches and that's how I started to really lose interest
The issue with Moxley, for me, is that he treats EVERY MATCH like it's a Blood Feud Grudge Match. If he were more like Dean Ambrose during matches like his one with Takeshita and Yuta and bring out "Jon Moxley" in the ACTUAL BFGMs, I may be able to get into him.
That's the one thing ECW introduced to wrestling (and promotions like CZW promulgated) that I can't get into.....having not one wrestler, but *tonnes* of wrestlers whose character arch is "they want a bloody fight no matter the opponent" which in turn takes the heat off of a feud that's supposed to be the big draw. It's not so much a problem with Moxley specifically but that he doesn't stand alone in this regard.
For e.g., when Brody and Abdullah would go at it, well......obviously they were monsters size-wise, which helps, but it was also the subtle message to a territory's audience "yeah, anyone in this promotion can get extra violent if they hate their opponent enough......*these* guys tho....*these* guys are crazy." When you have an abundance of "deathmatch" workers though; how do you get the super feuds across?
Thats fair
That’s a fair observation tbh
Dean ambrose fuckijg sucked lmao
terrible boring matches at least now stuff is happening
@@brycemcneil4404 Exactly; back in the territories, you could get away with it because these guys weren't seen every week for years on end, so when the blood thirsty monster came into town, it was an attraction.
If there were even ONE other wrestler that was a mainstay in that territory that had that gimmick, no one would've cared about Abdullah or Brody, unless they were specifically brought in to face that guy.
I like moxley but cornette is 100% right about his "grading curve" for him
He actually wrestled in WWE because he wasn't allowed to do all that shit.
Exactly
The CEO of Moxley plumbing 😂😂😂
I completely LOSE IT whenever he says that or refers to Orange Cassidy as Pockets. Cracking up just typing this!
For all of wwe's faults with the booking of Dean ambrose, the one thing that went right for him was in matches where he had time but stayed within the ring, he was actually not bad. He wasn't Seth Rollins good but he never needed to be. He had a decent baby face fire, good at selling and even in matches where he had to use weapons (because of wwe hating blood at the time) he did well within the restrictions and there in lies the problems with aew Jon moxley.
What restrictions does he have other than don't die or don't kill anyone? I've always found that Dean ambrose could get the most out of a match when he's limited because he plays to those limits fairly well. When there's Noone to tell him he'll be dq'd for using that weapon, or that the count out will go on for 6 whole minutes, or that he can start the match by yeeting himself and his opponent to the outside, he just kinda goes all over the place.
He can be a decently good wrestler. His moveset is simple and effective, no need for high risk offense, good at selling injured limbs and honestly he has great facial expressions when he's in pain but gosh darn is it so tedious to watch any of his current matches. It really feels like instead of bringing the absolute best of Dean ambrose with him and incorporate that into Jon moxley, he discarded Dean altogether and picked up Jon moxley from almost 2 decades ago
Yep, it is like the Russo effect-his worst excesses were allowed in WCW & we saw how bad he was. Same thing with AEW-there is nobody to filter or restrict Jericho, Hardy, Moxley etc-so they end up being totally insufferable.
exactly
@@daveborder7751 Nailed it
I challenge anybody to watch a moxley match and pay attention to how many times realistically he should be disqualified or at least severely reprimanded by the referee. It's so obvious the guy just does whatever the hell he wants because Tony Khan is a mark for the man for some reason, (and he's making millions of dollars so he doesn't give a damn about putting on good matches... just stupid garbage hardcore nonsense).
No. He's been dogshit always. Indie wrestler at best.
I remember back in the 90s smart fans used to judge harshly if a wrestler immediately went to the outside. Now they think a wrestler who does so is great.
Exactly. People call it an old heel move , completely forgetting it was mocked at the time.
I don’t remember anyone saying that. I see people now repeating it after Jim said it.
no they didnt it use to matter in the 90s well in WWF
@@smellywaffels1967 yes we did. Going to the outside generally meant that you were going to have to use the steel barricade or the table as a weapon because you didn't have any in ring wrestling ability. You usually saw this with hardcore stipulations or street fights which are used to hide wrestlers. Vince McMahon versus Stone Cold Steve Austin was one such kind of match. Ric Flair versus Vince McMahon was another kind of match that utilized these rules because they weren't going to have a barn burner in the middle of the ring.
If you take it back to the seventies and '80s when Ric Flair would roll outside of the Ring it was Ring psychology to avoid the baby face by going to the outside. It was a total heel move and now Moxley is sitting here on the outside grabbing weapons in a normal match on a Wednesday night without any stipulations and representing not even the AEW Championship but an INTERIM belt. Sad!!
Stone cold when to the outside all the time, for almost every match lol
Come on Jim, you hurt Jon Moxley's feelings by calling him the worst wrestler. Thank God Tony is there to hug him and make him feel better.
Lol 😂 I feel so bad for Okada having to suffer through that as well
He would still cry in his arms like he did with Claudio
Lol
I bet Omega is feeling just a LIL better today :)
@@planexshifter
If i had to choose who to watch between Mox and Omega, I'm picking Mox every time. Omega is just awful in all respects. At least Mox doesn't come of as a whiney lil bitch in conjunction with poor performance ability.
What upsets me the most about AEW is the lack of story telling I dont understand why the world champion would wrestle random matches on a random spot on the card.
Wrestling much?
You must be new.
Why watch when you clearly don’t pay attention to what you’re fuggin lookin at
Only virgins watch aew
@@hippotuskman7808 I don't think you are though.
Ambrose circa 2013 had an arrogance and swagger that I really liked. I thought he was charismatic enough - with that character - to be a top solo heel in the WWE. I liked how he performed when he was in the Shield as well. But everything from the commencement of the solo face run just didn't work for me at all.
I liked him during his inital face run after the shield due to his charisma then was all down hill from there sadly :/
"Nope "
I liked Ambrose more too. If I would have been given Moxly matches in WWE, he could have been the next Mankind.
He ws my spirit animal
I think this might be the best video in regards to describing the problem with Bad wrestlers and the influence they have on other people. Jim lays it out perfectly with the McDonald’s analogy there at the end too
Oh no.
Another blind follower of the cult of Jim Cornette.
Jim Cornette and Jim Cornette's fans are delusional,stubborn,and out of touch with the trends,morals and the real understanding of today's wrestling business.
The AEW boot licking white knight response is "get better tastebuds"
These childish fans come up with any idiotic reason to discredit your opinion & it’s disgusting.
Especially when Jim enjoys his fancy McDonald’s double cheeseburger meal
“Jim lays it out perfectly with the McDonald’s analogy”
Such a fun sentence and somehow made perfect sense even before I heard the context. I saw that and was like “Well if anyone were going to make an accurate analogy between wrestling and McDonald’s, it’s Jim Cornette.”
He was always the weakest leak in The Shield. He was the worse US champion in modern day history
Shield-era Dean Ambrose is who got me curious about wrestling again. He was the rallying personality in those excellent three-man matches, and his continued feud with Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens showed there was still something in him.
These days, ech, I’m conflicted. I still do like his promos but he needs someone strong to bounce off for them to land most effectively. Otherwise he’s just giving a soliliquy that’s starting to get diminishing returns from familiar parts. And what I love about AEW is that I sometimes get the wrestling I love to watch (FTR, Deeb, Punk, Hobbs and Starks, some of Kingston) and Mox as a single hasn’t worked something I’ve loved in a very long time.
Brian really hit it with the cult of personality bit. Part of what drew me to Ambrose was that charisma and learning what he went through in life. But now so long as Mox gets pops, and what audience there is for AEW buys the product in the percentage growth the buys have had, then he’ll get by on goodwill and leftover enjoyment of his personality.
Very insightful.
It's so annoying cos his match against Takeshita this week was soooo good, but then there's a few weeks of bad stuff between the gems
He's gotta learn to throw a working punch. Most of his stuff looks phony. And even when he does work stiff it doesn't really look good. In wwe he had punk early on to work with to slow him down and rollins later to help in out. In the 3 man matches with the shield most of these weaknesses were hidden. But since he was has been single wrestler especially in AEW we are seeing him expose his own weaknesses. If he would slow down a bit then it would be better. He should have regal picking apart his matches telling him what he needs to do better.
@@mannyrivera4119 These are great points. The bit about slowing down in particular, ‘cause if AEW top-down runners-to-talent could use one thing it’s to learn to slow the hell down and let things breathe. Also what you said about Regal. Mox’s strikes aren’t much better, but Mox had tried to have better matches in the darn ring since Regal arrived.
Well said
Corny's right. Moxley does the same damn thing in every match.
So does Flair...
@@nsanelycrazy Ric Flair - A star that everybody knows and imitates and carried the NWA on his back and was the leader of the Horsemen
Moxley - An alcoholic with fake tougjness
@@nsanelycrazy exactly...and anyone that does do something different he says they are ruining the business...
you never watched a triple H match or a cena match.
And it's 🚮🚮🚮🚮
Moxley is the most phoney tough guy I've ever seen.
I'd say atleast Jon doesn't proclaim he can beat anyone's ass in real life like others claim they can do
One thing he's not lying about was his upbringing so, glad he's also not one of those people who lie about going through the gutter to sound cool
@@FreshPrincex4 yeah but his new gimmick looks like Steve Austin and Sandman had a bby. Hes trying to be put over in the "badass" gimmick but it doesn't suit him at all.
I think all the cocaine and alcohol use ruined moxley's mind. He caused stone cold to think he messed up the podcast episode, but Jonathan Good refused to answer simple questions. Lot's of people had a bad upbringing, but it's not offenesive to ask about your hometown and early life. He could use some roids and a better gimmick.
It’s between Moxley and Tazz
@@nicholasroberts7891As much as I can't stand him I agree with you, I cringed at John Morrison saying he can beat Cm Punk, Reigns, etc. after winning a shitty boxing fight, it was pretty cringe considering it came from a guy that got publicly cucked by a guy like Batista, the same Batista that is another fake though guy
Moxley is trying too hard to be this generation's Mick Foley, not realizing that Foley was smart enough to actually work in those hardcore matches.
Smart?
@@pleaseshutup7053 Do you need it explained to you? Seems abundantly obvious what they're saying, even if you disagree.
And for those of us who see Foley today and actually care about people, we don't want anyone in that sort of pain for people who dont care about them.
I think Moxley is more like a diet version of Raven who had potential, but dropped the ball and is now just "there."
@@drewspods Explain it then if you know. If not you are bluffing
I loved a previous quote of Corny's about Moxley "He's the kind of guy who would volunteer for the geek job at a carnival."
What happened to the days when wrestlers could tell a story in the ring like Hart or Steamboat?
Nah, brawl on the outside!...
They think it’s boring. Audiences today are conditioned to expect either flips and tricks or blood and brutality. Matches that are evenly paced and tell a story from beginning to end without relying on any of those things gets panned by casual fans as boring.
Stop dwelling in the past. Current wrestlers are amazing and fantastic
@@paulkendrick4153 Na.
@@paulkendrick4153 No they’re not. They are spot monkeys who don’t understand how to tell a story and sell tickets, which is partially why wrestling has no way near the audience that it once did.
Yeah truly said by Brian, the websites are swooping to create click bait content by just phrasing Jim's words out of context.
Cnn does the same to trump but we won't get into all that right now ...
I liked the wrestling business a lot more when the marks were out in the seats instead of the ring.
Mox definitely wrestles like he WANTS people to forget he was in wwe .. and make ppl think aew scooped him right out a bingo hall to fit I'm with the rest of the crappy wrestlers
What does Cornette think? I mean who do you think is not crappy wrestlers
I’m a plumber don’t put us down like this lol Moxley looks like a Hobo pan handling on the train. 😂
Moxley gets in his feelings a lot, really different from his tough guy gimmick.
Forget all this, can someone answer me why he has a problem losing a match ? When in the hell did he become AEW's Hulk Hogan. I can see Moxley in the back now "Lose....that doesn't work for me brother"
He got lazy. He ain't the worst but he slipping. In my opinion of course. Jon at his best can do the business some good but right now - eish.
Moxley's whole act just seems so fake. With his walk and mannerisms, trying to show people how "crazy" he is. Point is, it doesn't look like he's a legit crazy fellow who might hurt his opponent. Just seems like he's trying too hard. Oh and not to mention the unnecessary blading and bleeding 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
He's got ADHD
In WWE, it was the announcers constantly astroturfing the Ambrose craziness, like it can be done in a single episode of Raw, versus something Ambrose would build up over time.
Moxkey has assumed the task of insisting that one may serve chateau briand at a drive thru. It's fake, it doesn't work, anymore than hearing the announcers say "Seth Freakin Rollins" every other breath.
I think his balding is worse than his blading...
Ok try this, watch Jos Leduc promo and then watch a Moxley promo...
lol "unnecessary blading" tells me enough about what kind of wrestling fan you are
I cant take him seriously currently because his promos are always goofy and i find it so hard to watch him in the ring because its the same match every week, he bites them and then goes out to the floor to hit a big move then a paradigm shift 1 2 3
Spot on
Don't forget raking his nails across his opponent's back..
We need Jim Cornette to get a front row ticket to a dynamite episode!!
We need to make this happens
I haven’t watched wrestling in years other than a few minutes here or there, but I would buy a PPV for that, and I’ve never bought one!
Imagine the looks he would have on his face! So funny.
@@patrickdaly5068 Same, it would be the first dynamite episode I watch instead of just watching on youtube what Punk, MJF and now Christian did
I'd love to also but when you really think about it, they'll just ignore him the whole time even though they'll know he's there but Tony will specifically tell the talent not to give him any attention and that'll be that
CNN has scared the shit out of him to ever to ever leave the house again because of covid. Cornette has been a recluse for almost 3 years because of it.
My wife started watching AEW with me a few months ago. Instantly, Moxley was her guy. Been biting my tongue since March....
Moxley is not the worst but he's definitely mediocre at best. Guys like Seth rollins just outclassed him in every way.
Hes the most boring wrestler in the world for sure
He really is SUPER boring
Same match everytime no matter the opponent 🥱
His theme song is ridiculous.
Blades and Bleed in 95% of his matches. Threw an immature hissy fit just because WWE didn't allow him to do his ridiculous extreme hardcore matches. He goes to bed every night getting an orgasm from just dreaming of blood, blading and bleeding.
@@the_gmer1955 goddamn it is
Ambrose was fine in WWE even if their booking of him declined and devolved over the years. But Moxley now seems to be under the impression that, to be well regarded, he needs to do everything he wasn't able to do in WWE...all the time.
Travis needs to start doing some books of Corny artwork.
I’m glad Jim said it. I’ve been saying it since his Dean Ambrose days. His moves looked more phony than the Miz. He’s honestly the worst this gen.
@dflowers30 you don't even know what "work" is. You are a mark.
Not a very fair comment to Miz. Mike worked his tail off to learn the ropes and become a decent performer.
Lol oh, that Jim Cornette at it again.
It's interesting how the one guy who isn't involved with the business anymore is still the only person left that's entertaining in wrestling. Love Jim Cornette 😆
Moxley is the modern day Sandman: Doesn’t wrestle, only knows how to use weapons and be in garbage stipulation matches. He would’ve been a perfect fit for the old ECW but not on anything that’s recent right now. But of course the marks love him because he likes to trash WWE and that blinds them from seeing that hes a horrible wrestler.
spot on comparison
Tony Khan will push anybody that is anti-WWE.
Getting released from WWE is the biggest storyline in front of Tony's eyes instead of the actual storyline.
For real! I've only been watching AEW for a month and a half and wow there is a bunch to critize about AEW and then moment you do the fan Boys are all over you. I watch both AEW and WWE and the one thing that baffles me is when AEW fans say their promos are better then WWE. AEW has maybe like 2 guys that can cut a good promo mic skills in AEW are optional
Truth
I will say this. His matches with Seth Rollins in WWE were amazing. I remember being so let down when I heard their first match against each other was going to be a lumberjack match (this was right when the shield broke up so Dean/Mox was a white hot babyface and Seth was the biggest heel in the industry) because no one in wwe has ever had a good lumberjack match but by god they went out there and had one of the best matches I’d seen in forever PLUS it was a great lumberjack match then a month or couple months later they had THE best Hell in a Cell match since HHH vs Cactus Jack. I was convinced Mox was the second coming of Stone Cold and he even had a cool quick finisher the double arm that one of the greats had (cactus jack) and it actually fit him perfectly. But then WWE put him in horrible stories and his matches where passable at best sometimes really good when he had a good opponent. His finisher changed to something that looked kind of stupid. So I was super excited when he left WWE because I thought they were holding him back and AEW is where Mox will be able to become the next stone cold like he should’ve become in WWE if it wasn’t for Vince. But then like Jim I just kept noticing him make one horrible decision after another carrier wise and his matches while at first where awesome just became the same thing over and over with the hardcore shite.... but all AEW wrestlers do to much I can’t tell you how many AEW matches I’ve seen that could’ve been all time great matches had they just stopped 5mins earlier. Like how can you tombstone a guy off the top rope and he kick out but then hit a clothesline 2mins later and get the pin fall. It’s like they don’t know how to build a proper match just cool move after cool move for 45mins and hope the fans think it’s good. But to be fair it’s still better than the quick tv Matches of the wwe. But when WWE is on point their main event matches or still unrivaled imo.... Mox and in extension all of AEW would do so much better if they calm it down a little. Like Mox should get a little more muscle on him and basically do the matches he does but focus on strongstyle and cut 5mins off the end and only use your finisher once and have it win the match and no hardcore stuff unless it’s a serious feud against top talent then break it out occasionally (I mean Mox does hardcore matches really good probably the best at them in wrestling right now but even Mic foley didn’t do hardcore stuff in every match). Thanks for reading my rant and this is only my opinion not trying to hate.
A lot of thoughts 💭💭💭 and most of them are true. Gg
C Walser... thanks man. I am very passionate about wrestling probably too much so lol. I just knew I was going to get a comment saying “why did you write all this garbage” lol so thank you for reading my rant and being fair in your reply.
I remember a spot in the match when Mox Hit Seth with the Closeline and it was a moment I will never forget because it was the first time mox ever did it in wwe and seth set up the spot so perfectly
Oh shit, the AEW smart mark fans have invaded the Jim Cornette Podcast comments section. Or they are just Tony Khan bots.
One of the best parts of RUclips corny videos is figuring out the thumbnail
It's bad when a gimmick like Mankind can seem like a real person while Moxley, a real person, seems 110% phony and a cartoon.
Mick made it come to life. He owned it. Mox is not a good actor, he isn't 100% commited and I get the feeling he's embarrassed while doing promos. It's either that or he's really really bad at it. Taker was the same, lived it owned it, was good at it. We just have to face reality, mox isn't actually good at it.
lol ikr
@@christopherhughes497 there has to be another underlying reason. I don't remember him being this bad when he led promos in the Shield, back in 2012/3
@@retrokoh watch them again maybe. They might actually be crap or the writing was ok. Anyway, he's definitely gone to pot either way
@@christopherhughes497 it very well could be the nostalgia talking. I'll watch it tonight. I know for sure I don't enjoy him talking in 2022
I severely overestimated Moxley. Way back when he was about to come in to AEW, he seemed like someone who came to hate the WWE and all of their limitations and had a fire lit under his ass because of it. I expected stiff & aggressive "strong style" Moxley. With all the worked shoots and whatnot. I remember watching footage of him in CZW and some of his promos on RUclips and I thought AEW was about to get their Brian Pillman. How utterly wrong I was. Instead, AEW got their Todd Stockley - part-owner of a biker saloon in Wisconsin and one of the most dreadfully boring wrestlers of the era. Someone who isn't even fit for a midcard title run in the WWE.
(and I also fucking hate his god awful theme music. Wild Thing was fine the way it was - why did they have to butcher it)
Yeah, it seems like moxley has gotten worse over time. He used to be an awesome promo and a solid in ring worker, what happend to him? maybe losing his hair has affected his confidence. Or maybe hes just not hungry anymore now that hes made some money.
Moxley's Wild Thing theme is from the movie Major League performed by X. I like the song.
I think the X cover is superior to the original honestly.
@@brianhanssens7996 I like both of them actually. But I crack up when I hear X's version because after the 2nd line, Margaret Whitton's "I hate this fuckin' song" line is just hilarious!
I agree with literally everything you said, except for the song. I love that version of the song.
Danhausen as well. He’s crazy over NOT from anything he’s ever done in a wrestling ring.
I refuse to watch one second of Hook being burdened with that Goofball.
Hes been awful for years!! Guy is so over-rated!
He was definitely the weak link when it was The Shield.
Nah
Jon Moxley is trying hard to be badass
Hard to believe Renee married him!
Moxley Septic Service. You take a shit and we will empty it.
After Moxley praised Nick Gage on Dark Side of the Ring, I went off him
And who is Nick gage again??
@@HBKStyles bank addicted drug robber
@@HBKStyles exactly
@@HBKStyles He’s a bank addicted drug robber!!!!!!
To be fair he worked really well for me in The Shield. As the unhinged third guy. The story would always be that at some point Ambrose lost his cool and then went apeshit. After Seth or Roman tried first.
Then they gave him gimmicks as a single performer. Which had shades of Stone Cold but were waaaay more random. Like showing up to an arena with some kind of contraption on wheels. Stone Cold did the quad. Ambrose showed up with a hotdog cart (which got a pop from the locals there)
But what I would have always liked to see more from him was some technical wrestling. If he did that once or twice on AEW. I think people'd really be surprised
Morning Corny content to wake and bake to? Yes please 😃
Bro no way you wake and bake to this man lol
I'm with you there sir xD
same except i watch after the smoke session🤣🤣🤣
😭😭😭😂🤣😱
Listening to this high is lit lol
We need a "Trending now.....Jim Cornette ." tshirt. I would buy it & wear it proudly!
“I’m not a big Moxley fan”. Brian every time they talk about Moxley. 😂😂😂
ehh, it's how a lot of people are. My GF hates rats, and every single time a rat appears in a movie or TV show, she has to mention that she hates rats. A friend of mine hates clowns, and every time a clown is seen on anything or mentioned, he has to tell everyone again, even though he's been telling us constantly for 35 years. People are around ten times more likely to tell you about something they hate, than they are to mention something they like.
So often I disagree with Cornette on modern day wrestling but he is right about this guy. Mox is the guy you should be watching smash light tubes against some juggalo in a midwest backyard. Not a top guy of a nationally televised promotion.
Oh please. We’re you saying the same thing when he was wwe champ?
@@wozthescott2804 no he was not lol he loved dean ambrose but guess what jonathan good didnt like dean ambrose lol
@@jeffamell3501 you mean when WWE had him wearing a gas mask and pretending to be a germaphobe 😑
@@bb-ballistics1706 or when he was part of the best group of the last decade and a grand slam champ. But yeah, let’s focus on that little fraction of his wwe career
Regarding Brian saying he can't see what anyone sees in him, it's literally only because he was in The Shield.
Without that he'd be working in Impact or MLW & nobody would care about him.
Can't say the same for Rollins & Reigns.
Truth. Thing is, he was legit good early on in the Shield. Ever since they split, he just fucking lost it
He had a following years before the Shield, he and Rollins were known on the indy scene, nobody knew Reigns.
@@markrichardson8793 His following was no way near as big. He wasn't a CM Punk or Danielson, he was a middling indie guy. CZW is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and always has been.
@@TheLuw1997 Yeah, being known for CZW doesn't have the same ring as Ring of Honor (no pun intended) or TNA.
@@TheLuw1997 He was as popular as Rollins in CZW and was originally the most over member of the shield before Vince made him third fiddle to Reigns and Rollins. Saying nobody would know who he was if not for the Sheild but to not say the same for Rollins and Reigns is a 100% biased opinion. He's cleary been one of the top 3 stars in aew actually the biggest star excluding Punk and Bryan.
He was great in WWE when he said he would never let Seth Cash in the briefcase. Then Seth beat him two ppvs in a row and Dean "forgot" about his pledge.
The moment where Dean Ambrose rooked Seth Rollins with the exploding green dye from The MITB case is still hilarious nearly eight years later!🤔😂🎤💼🤼♂️B.W.
While I may not agree with jim here I do like the fact that he still says something nice about his promo ability.
Moxley being ‘the worst wrestler in the world’ is certainly a hyperbole on Jim’s part.
Let’s be real.
But for being a main eventer, multiple world champion, with the amount of influence he has in this particular company.
The way it affects his colleagues booking, matches, and the way they will wrestle in the future…
Then that’s where the problem is.
And I like Jon.
But yes, the more I watch him.
The more it becomes evident that Jim is mostly right about the majority of it.
Moxley sucks simple
It’s definitely hyperbole
Jim says it himself that he is grading on a curve. If he wasn't on TV pretty much every week he wouldn't consider him the worst wrestler in the world.
Indeed.
I started typing my comment early in the video, then realized he pretty much elaborated on it at the end anyway 😅🤷🏻♂️
Moxley definitely does kinda suck
His punches are the worst.
This is what I said in response - Moxley isn't a wrestler. He's a deathmatch worker who knows a few moves.
This is foolish. Moxley can work a pretty technical style if he wants. Problem with him is nobody has a leash on him rn so he does whatever he wants; which is usually death match BS.
the only way to settle this is a death match in two weeks on dynamite!
Jon moxley vs Matt cardona
- booker of the year folks
@@Gum_Cuzzler I'm impressed. It only took you a couple of sentences to completely contradict yourself
@@jcgadfly6200 How did I contradict myself lol? I said he can work a more technical style when he wants, he just usually doesn’t want to. Seems to me you’re using big words you don’t know the meaning of, scamp.
@@Gum_Cuzzler that's why William Regal was such an excellent mentor for Jon. In FCW, Regal forced Jon to slow down, concentrate, learn the basics of mat-work and grappling and keep perfecting them.
It's like watching Sandman wrestle. He only knows hardcore and not really nothing else. Moxley has some great moments once in a while but it's definitely not in the ring.
I dont enjoy him anymore. 3 different match segments of “chop for chop”, “punch for punch”. Then he’s busted open. The swagger and attitude is phony. There is just this vibe and I dont like it
Beyond overrated. Bleeds damn near every match as a crutch to hide his shortcomings in the ring .
Mox is overrated, same with Will Ospreay and the Bucks.
Even in WWE dean ambrose was a failure.
-3rd most popular member in the shield.
- Brock lesnar didn’t wanna work with him.
- stone cold called him out on his podcast to his face.
Not worst but most overrated
The artwork for Mox is always hilarious and brilliant 😂
Maybe not “Worst wrestler” but perhaps “worst most pushed performer”
The end got me😂
Can you be the shits and people still like you? - THATS THE QUESTIONS WE NEED ANSWERED
Not the worst, but the hype on him has definitely died down. Him joining AEW was a big deal at the time, but he had a mediocre reign as their world champion and he's just pretty meh at this point.
Ambrose on the indies had a unique promo style and a James Dean sort of look that made me think he was gonna be the future.
Been downhill since him vs. Regal in FCW.
Brian hit the nail on the head he has a cult following for some bizzare, unknown reason that keeps him in the upper midcard/ main event scene. He was always my least favourite shield member. No fan of Rollins but he's a solid worker/ good hand at least ( though not a main event guy) Moxley is just a dullard
Dear Alexandru,
You are delusional.
You have 0 IQ because you are easily getting brainwashed by people like Brain and Jim Cornette.
Only cult here is the fan base of Jim Cornette.
Jon Moxley's fans are genuine civilized people with high IQ,high class,and high standards.
Jim Cornette's fans are people who are delusional,stubborn and out of touch with the trends,morals,and today's TV business value.
The only reason Jon Moxley is one of the biggest wrestling stars in the world today is because Jon Moxley is cool,unique,and a badass.
As simple as that.
Then reigns is your number one shield member?
@@JohnSmith-wh2ob Yes
@@alexandru5369 that’s fair but Rollins is not only a good worker he’s one of the best talents in the ring today he hasn’t put on a bad match it what feels like years at this point and he’s great on the mic so “not a main event guy” idk where that came from
@@JohnSmith-wh2ob I agree I just don't see him as "The Guy" he's been way over pushed for years
I remember when the shield first came on the scene, everyone was comparing them to batman villains (ambrose-joker, rollins-two face, reigns - bane) mox had so much hype behind him everyone thought he was gonna be the breakout star, I mean he did but not to the level which I think everyone thought at the time. Also the wild thing song is getting played out
No one thought he was the star!!!WWE exposed him cause other than talking he bring nothing to the table
Who’s everyone I don’t remember that
If moxley would just go back to his brawler style from wwe, he would be bearable to watch.
This whole strong style doesn’t work for him
The crazy thing is that back in WWE Dean Ambrose was really good. Like Idk wtf happened with Moxley that he became so sloppy. When he tries he is actually pretty good but someone needs to tell him to stop with the hardcore shit and outside the ring BS.
Brian screaming "fuck off!" killed me.
JC trending again for…
*checks notes*
Being correct!!!
If Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world, outside of context that would imply that Dwarf Dongsucker and Jelly Nutella are better than a multiple time world champion who's wrestled all around the planet. There's of course the stipulation of grading according to exposure, booking, etc (sort of like how you hold a more expensive car to a higher standard than you would an old hooptie), but it's still a funny thought.
Moxley wrestles like he's drunk.
Like a drunk wrestling style.
To me, that looks ridiculous.
King of Drunken Style.
And looks like he's high on meth
Every match has blood therefore blood is standard. It is like when Lucas made an entire movie a special effect. When it becomes baseline, it becomes less special.
With hindsight it’s clear that Rollin’s and Reigns clearly made Ambrose took better than he was when he was with the shield.
True, but that also goes the other way around, because both Rollins and Reigns were very akward on the mic in the beginning, so Ambrose carried them through promos.
None of those guys were ever anywhere near main event talent
@@danielburger1775 pls, Reigns is a star, Rollins is one the of the best in the world
@@Frank-ui3gh Both guys sure get pushed a lot.
But neither has ever appealed to anyone except the "This is awesome"/"You deserve it" forest folk.
@@danielburger1775 false
He's the worst wrestler with the most push behind him from the promoter
Maybe not the worst in general, but probably the worst wrestler in a high profile position
Nailed it 💯
Tony Khan should be investing on improving Josh Woods, as I feel he could easily have Jon Moxley's spot.
The WWE did a great covering Moxley's faults. In AEW he is exposed as a one trick pony and I am surprised seeing he has amateur wrestling background.
Last time I was entertained by the guy was the AJ Styles/James Ellsworth stuff.
The Smackdown team days were pretty cute and funny tbf. Got a kick out of seeing Shane O and his little gaggle of SD boys.
He fits in perfectly for the ECW/Worst of WCW parody that AEW is (aside from Punk & MJF).
The phone rang 😂 Brian Last should have been like "Moxley Plumbing, how can I help you today?" 🤣
4:09- 4:40 This is why I love Jim. The way he describes it is just hilarious. Wrestling is just so stupid and that's why I love it.
He'll never be as bad as Nia "MY HOLE!" Jax was.
Moxley was decent in the ring, especially when the WWE reeled him in. He's been on a crusade to die in the ring before Ric Flair does, but he was good. Nia Jax was never good, and was still featured prominently for years, week after week, wandering through the WWE botching and injuring wrestlers left and right.
Have never watched AEW so I have no idea there. But as Dean Abrose a lot of his stuff looked way to cartoonish and not realistic.
Mox has talent. He just refuses to use it
No sir, the Clown makes some good fries.
Brian yelling at the call has made my day!!! hahahaha
You are easily ammused.
"Can you be the shits and be popular?" Brian Last, you're a wrestling historian. I know you're trying to argue Moxley isn't that bad but come on now. Sandman was popular. 911 was popular. Ultimate Warrior was popular. Happy Humphrey was popular. Akebono! Giant Singh!
I've always thought exactly the same about Jon Moxley his matches are so sloppy. I never express my opinions about him because everyone who still watches wrestling I know likes him.
We live him
We love him
There are way, way worse wrestlers than Moxley. Jelly Nutella, the Cucamonga Kids and Botchasaurus are just a few.
Maybe not the worst, but when he shows up on AEW, I turn it off. He's a boring worker, acts like a drug addict in promos, and always has glass or tacks or blood in his matches. Keep him in GCW.
I hope Danielson takes the belt of him.
@@TheMrAlgoh sounds good to me
Talking about the Choking being anticlimatic when that's the only thing Roman's been doing besides the other 2 moves lol That aside I'm also kinda in the middle regarding Mox, don't know how to get super excited when he competes.
The exception to the rule is if he's up against someone who can wrestle and guide him through a match. Most recent example I can think of is his match against Lethal a few months ago
Jim out here talking Jon Moxley is the McDonalds of wrestling.
We eat inside a McDonalds as much as Moxley wrestles inside the ring HAHAHAHAHA