Jim Cornette on Jon Moxley Being Piledriven By Rey Fenix on AEW Dynamite
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- From Episode 310 of the Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
Artwork by Travis Heckel!
Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com
Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast
Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! / cornette
Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more!
You can listen to Brian each week on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com.
I think we've all been waiting for this one lmao
i couldn’t wait. instant👍
Yes! In Stewie Griffins voice
1000000% once I saw it on Twitter, I knew this would be a good segment
Hell YEAH
Hee hee
I was there live. It made me really realize how stupid some of these wrestlers and refs really are lol
This what's happens when you don't listen to vets
@@tonyruby4467they don't need advice
Not as stupid as people paying over $100 to go to an arena and see it in person.
I mean ... you knew it was stupid before....and yet you still paid money.
I saw someone on Instagram comment that they were there too & it took Mox like 5-6mins to get up off the mat & walk back to the locker room... is that true?? Is that how you remember it??
Moxley got his bell rung three times. The first was when Felix flew from the ramp and landed on Moxley's head. Moxley wanted the second piledriver before the ref counted three.
Stevie Richards pointed this out in his video before Mrs. Ed took it down. And he had every right to call out every bone-headed decision made that night.
Oh Stevie did a video on this and I missed it? Damn, I really wanna see it now. Of course AEW uses a lame tactic to claim Stevie isn't within fair use, because he 100% is.
exactly all this - surprised Jim and Brian both missed this? Perhaps didn't see the beginning of the match or just watched the end before their review? Concussion likely happened with the ramp botch, & Mox called for that 2nd piledriver, blatantly. Ref is a disgrace.
I added 3 stars to my review of this match for each time Botchley got concussed 😭😭😭
@@KayDiddle Don't know, but because AEW is AEW, we're going to find out eventually.
It's like the licks and Tootsie Pop, that program is gonna take a bit to get there.
That foot stomp from the top rope onto the floor while Moxley was on the barricade probably did not help either.
Stevie Richards did a review of this showing everything that went wrong, without insulting anyone and only driving the point home of how bad this was for everything/one involved. He did a fair analysis, for free, that could've only helped AEW.
AEW struck it down off RUclips within an hour or so. Really shows that they really don't care if their guys get retired in ring from unnecessary stunts or not, and all they wanna do is play till one of the figures break.
Now more than ever, Tony has proved he cannot run this company, either due to his lack of experience or him actually wanting half this bullshit because he's not right in the head, and that AEW, bar Jesus returning, is beyond saving, because management is full of balloons who are worse then the goofy talent.
they also got aew botches suspended but he's back lol
Couldn't have said it any better.
The legal team of Don Stevens did not approve
It's too bad AEW doesn't put the same energy into putting out a decent product as they do in trying to censor every criticism about them and getting RUclips videos taken down.
Nice to know that they're still gatekeeping all their footage and listen to constructive criticism...
This reminds me of the rant Corny did many years ago about that time when Low Ki did a front flip cartwheel kick and knocked a guy out in the opening seconds of a match. But instead of just pinning the guy, Low Ki dragged that guy's prone body and proceeded to do more moves.
Gotta get his shit in, pal!
Well Mox can add having the neck of Christopher Reeves to having arthritis at the level of a 70 year old to his medical history.
Jesus Christ
It's Christopher Reeve.
No s.
Lol Dead 😂
@@ValiantWrestlingThat would be George.
All I could think of was Owen and Austin. Those piledrivers were hideous. I managed to catch Stevie Richards' analysis before AEW took it down. He was on the money. AEW is becoming one big Nia Jax to its entire roster.
And if Nia Jax injures the entire women’s division of wwe then the women’s division will become one big Nia Jax.
Austin hurt Masahiro Chono in New Japan with a piledriver.
@@juicyfruit6311 Ironically the exact same type of Piledriver too.
Owen's was completely accidental thoug, Felix should've known better not to try that on a guy much bigger than him and certainly not do it twice.
well moxley always wanted to be austin
It's crazy to think Mox was concussed at the stage dive when the match starts, it just shows how weird Mox usually acts that no one noticed he was working 11 minutes with a concussion
Look I know Mox isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but everyone needs to know this should have been handled better by Fenix and that dumb fucking ref. Mox isn’t perfect but he didn’t deserve this tho
Even Tazz and Excalibur pointed it out that Mox was out at the beginning of the match with the ramp jump.
Not gonna lie when I heard Moxley was concussed from the splash I found a clip and just said this is really bad. The camera was on Moxley long enough for me to start getting sick watching him. Words really can't describe seeing him and I get it's a title match, but man for Tony at Gorilla to see that and not go ok something's wrong and tell the ref to get Phoenix in the ring and just count Moxley out of the match so title doesn't change hands but get him help, because the man looked like he nearly swallowed his tongue it looked so bad. At this point sadly for the talent to there to not realize you guys are already getting hurt probably more often then you should but these incidents are screaming it's going to get worse we will probably have someone paralyzed if not get hurt get so hurt they nearly die.
@@donovanbradford8231Both Vikingo and Dante Martin have likely career altering injuries. The list is going to grow too
@@donovanbradford8231it was a clip on Twitter showing he was out of it
AEW blocking Stevie Richards video is a bunch of crap. I watched it, it pointed out the obvious, and told fans what should happen is such a dangerous situation.
I imagine Mox said, "do it again" in reference to the count but Rey heard it and went, "OK!" and Knox went along with it.
Between this and Vikingo likely suffering a career altering hip injury (feared to be a broken hip due to him being wheel-chair bound after the spot) during the ROH tapings this past Saturday, things are taking a drastically bad turn for talent in AEW.
You misspelled "good turn" because both the people you are mentioning are talentless.
@RandalfElVikingo The irony of you hating Vikingo is hilarious.
@@RandalfElVikingo nah that's pretty gutless, since we're talking about human beings...
But think about all those coveted Dave Meltzer stars they got because those definitely pay the bills and healthcare and rehab! Lol
@@RandalfElVikingoi don’t like them either but I don’t want them to get seriously hurt tf bro
Moxley: "I'm laying there thinking 'Im the next Christopher Reeve, that's so dope.'"
“I’m like Superman yeah!”
"Emergency neck fusion surgery, so badass!"
AEW blocking Stevie Richard's video was crazy
Especially since he gave many examples on how they could have made this situation better. It was a great video that could have been very useful to young wrestlers
It was absolutely fair use too
I really think he had it took down because Stevie showed Tony dancing on stage with Garcia when he should have made mox go to the hospital and go with him
Moxley is taking this Stone Cold Steve Austin cosplay to a whole other level.
🤣
Moxley 3:16 says I just bled your ass!
Moxley legitimately might've been concussed 3 (THREE) times in this monster truck crash of a match. FirstFenix dived off the stage pre-match and Moxley looked legitimately glossy eyed the announce team even mentionedit. Then end of match this sit down piledriver by Fenix who is wayyy too small to perform it correctly on the bigger Moxley that made him immobile. Then Rick Knox let them DO IT AGAIN. Just pure madness. It's no wonder someone hasn't been killed yet live on AEW TV but it's sadly coming.
To be fair Fenix protected the hell out of Moxley in the second piledriver.. the first one tho lol hell nah Mox got dropped right on his head.
In order to have a concussion, you need a brain
-John Cena 2003
Fenix is too short to give a taller Moxley that move. He dumped him on his head 2x. Apparently, these guys don't give an F about protecting your opponent. Disgusting, IMO.
BuT hE gOt OvEr!!!!
I'm worried that someone's gonna end up paralyzed or dead one of these days.
@SamsarasArt
Exactly. Someone, at the least, will definitely get paralyzed if they continue down this route. I hope on everything that no one dies.
Fenix did the move completely wrong. It has nothing to do with height. He was suppose to use his thighs to protect Mox's neck, but all he did was use his crossed arms.
Doesn't help when the opponent says "do it again". Plenty of blame for all 3 of them in the ring and the producers, Tony etc ... He was concussed before they even started the match in the ring.
Glad to see Jim give props to RVD's selling of the piledriver. It always looked incredible, & while it was overselling, it never looked comical & made the person (usually Dreamer) look like a millions bucks.
RVD will probably diss JC again after the last time he praised RVD lol
The most hilarious thing is that Steve Richards did an analysis pointing out how stupid this was and AEW got the video taken down 😂
At this point, Maffew from Botchamania should have to devote whole episodes to AEW.
Tony Khan takes down every botchamania with GayEW videos.
#JusticeForBotchamania
They took down Stevie Richard's video on this and the AEW botches account, if only they put that same effort into training their referees and wrestlers. That's all friends wrestling for ya
@@RandalfElVikingo in the words of the late iron sheik: “Fucking bullshit!”
you mean he doesn't already? I haven't watched for a while
Matt hardy bashed his head off concrete, Alex Reynolds literally got dragged to the side of the ring, moxley got piledriven twice, and the only time they stopped a match for a concussion was when hangman got KO'D by a lariat
"Don't do shit you don't know how to do! DON'T DO SHIT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO!!!"
Everybody in AEW should have to be required to get that tattooed on the inside of their eyelids and the backs of both hands. Especially the owner and his favourite pets! It applies to every single aspect of this clown car of a "wrestling promotion".
For the umpteenth time: I'm absolutely astounded they haven't had a fatality during a show yet. It's not for a lack of trying!
It's surprising that no one in AEW has died yet.
It's all a matter of time
Someone has because he was forced to work a match seriously ill.
Didn't one of the ring of honor guys just break his hip you don't come back to wrestling after that
@redred222 is that what happened to Vikingo ? I've been hearing he is in a wheelchair now
@@redred222I think he was talking about someone dying not hurt wrestler get hurt all the time
Is nobody gonna bring up the fact Moxley didn’t bleed when he was knocked silly? How ironic
He's out. He needs to stop at the bank
😂😂I never thought of that.The only match were Mox really does get messed up for real he doesn't bleed.
Yes, he was so out of it through the match, he couldn’t even think straight enough to do his favourite thing in the world, slice his own head open, on camera….
I'm glad Jim mentioned RVD taking a piledriver, sometimes overdid it, but the BOUNCE he gets every time is impressive
At what point are people gonna finally just say how unsafe the Lucha Bros. are? They have injured numerous people, including themselves
They never will, because nobody in the company has the level of professionalism or discipline to see to that. It's just marks enabling other marks at this point.
@@vspecmaster100%. Right from the very beginning AEW has been amateur hour, full of people that simply aren't ready for prime time. Nothing has changed in that time. It's a glorified indy with indy level workers.
They always sucked
Long as they're injurying the marks who live in the Rocky V/Sissy Boy Slap Fight/Wrestling Observer dollhouse I'm all for it 😂😂😂
They the Nia Jax of aew?
"Is there a language barrier?"
Probably, even if Fenix speaks perfect English he'd have trouble translating Moxley's droning mumbling ramblings.
The story is Moxley got concussed on a dive by Fenix. After the piledriver, Mox told the ref Rick Knox to count the pin. Knox did not. Moxley yelled "Fuck you!" at Knox and then told Fenix to piledrive & pin him again
Even if the dive did the initial damage, the piledriver finished him off. Otherwise they could have just gone to a quick finish of the original finish, which was surely Moxley winning. For him to decide in that instant to lose, it can only mean the piledriver damaged him.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715Exactly if he was already injured from the dive and wasn't going to drop the belt then its a quick school boy or choke then out of dodge but it happened after the driver why go through more unnecessary moves if youre already injured.
Knox should be fired. Vince would have told him to pack his shit and leave now.
The E in AEW must stand for Emergency Room
Accidents and Emergency Wrestling.
@@frostfoxen Ambulances Every Week
This is why Jim has always been right about Rey Fenix being the drizzling shi*s.
If you do everything AMAZING half the time, but the other half is a botch, or is dangerous, then you're terrible and cannot perform
AEW freakazoids we’re defending this to the death. & Dave downplaying it, calling it a “minor” concussion. & Tony doing the Garcia dance after this happened lollll
“It’s just a flesh wound!”
Just read their comments, they are either written by bots or by people who got brain washed.
Or no brains at all!
I saw that. These people are barely conscious.
Or deleting any videos critical of them 😂
Someone needs to start a letter writing campaign to the companies that pay for advertising during these shows, letting them know one day someone is going to die in picture-in-picture during an ad for State Farm.
Honestly, the fact that Moxley was supposedly concussed before the piledrivers makes this even worse. So you have a guy that seems slightly out of it and dazed, and not only did Fenix nor the ref notice, but they then proceed to spike Moxley on his head...TWICE!
Everything about this whole situation just screams incompetence from AEW as a whole; Moxley and Fenix deciding to use this highly dangerous move in the first place (keep in mind the reason Rikshi did it well was because he was bigger than most of his opponents and had a f*cking dump truck of an buttocks to keep his opponents head off the ring), none of the "agents" or experienced wrestlers in the back warning them against using it, Fenix being the one to give the driver despite being shorter and much weaker than Moxley, the referee destroying kayfabe by holding the count, Moxley asking for them to "Do it again" despite being mentally gone, Fenix and the ref for actually RE-DOING the move and spiking Moxleys head again, and finally...TK's STUPID F*CKING DANCING (seriously, what kind of b*tch *ss boss is this guy?)!
THIS is the reason why soo many people believe AEW won't make it out the decade. They are literally killing their talent by letting them run wild with whatever they want to do; first Dante, now Vikingo (who might not even wrestler anymore) and Moxley (who really cant afford to lose anything else up there if he hopes to be bodily functional in 5 years). And this isn't even considering the dwindling attendance numbers in the shows (some pictures showed that Arthur Ashe still had TONS of empty seats) and stagnant ratings numbers. AEW is going to kill itself very slowly, and I don't even think TK's infinite checkbook can save this sh*tshow from imploding.
Don't blame the agents, maybe some of them warned the wrestlers from using some moves. But even if they did, the problem is that some wrestlers are just NOT willing to listen, we saw that with Hangman the guy is so full of himself he thinks he knows everything about wrestling so he just doesn't care and won't listen. AEW has some amazing guys backstage and agents who were tremendous wrestlers back then, I don't think they are the cause of what happened to Mox.
Hey they did almost a million for this show 😂 I think Tony may have paid for 100k Neilson boxes so he can fix his ratings
Then an exodus incoming - Punk, Pillman Jr and Jadeberg have gone from the circus. MJF, Hobbs, Starks, Wardlow… it’ll just be all fwends wrasslin with the Eleeeet and off a national television slot like Impact and NWA.
Such good shit pal 😂😂😂
I thought the first rule of a piledriver was the guy giving it had to be taller than the guy receiving, hence why there's clear daylight in the majority of Taker's tombstones, he can hold the guys on his thighs so when his knees hit the guy's head is in the air so he can drop him forward into a gentle flat back bump.
All these injuries seem to come from guys who are too short to do it safely.
It isn't. I've seen a wrestler eight inches shorter give a taller wrestler multiple piledrivers in a row just to demonstrate to some students in Howard Brody's promotion how to do the move safely. The number one rule is don't actually let their head hit the ground. If you're not strong enough, they tell him to base better and if you're still not strong enough with him basing then let him "slip out" and do something else. And if you botch, and he's hurt, end the match as quickly as safely as possible.
Orndorff gave Hogan lots of piledrivers. The difference in Orndorff was very strong and muscular. Felix does not fit that description.
@@insupportofjunhadoI know I'm way late with this question but I have to ask: what do you mean when you say "base"?
@@BiggieTrismegistus Base is how the "defender" positions himself during a move, either to make it easier on the attacker, to protect himself, or both. Some people can safely body slam their opponent and make it look good. Others can't, either do it safely or make it look good, so they need someone to base off of them.
Are you implying I got it wrong? That's how I was taught. I never pursued an in ring career, but I did do some training.
These moments remind you it's not competition that's most important. People's health and safety is.
The incident is so bad. AEW didn't even post the match on RUclips.
And yet, ppl expect the newly released wwe wrestlers to go to this f'n promotion.. if they value their life, they need to stay away from AEW.
I'm hoping Ziggler goes to Hollywood and opens a wrestling school somewhere, he has done enough with his body in the business
Imagine 50 year old Edge just falling over himself to join this circus to get dropped on his head….
@@DavidOwen-yv8wzbeth better put her foot down, hard.
Bryan Alvarez thinks Theory works the boring 90s style. Mox works a great concussion style though. Greatest concussion match ever!
And what's funny about that is theory will most likely be able to work well into his 40's. Meanwhile moxley will be in a wheelchair in his mid 40's
I found it funny how AEW didn’t upload this match from grand slam and are doing everything to cover it up
@@gangsterSoup "You are not my son! You are a bastard from a basket!" - Shad
They did but as soon as I selected it, it was gone. Thankfully I got Stevie Richards take and seen wtf happened
@@gangsterSoupTK's dad prob has no idea what's going on in aew
Looks like they made Stevie Richards remove his breakdown if the botch.
@@gangsterSoupI doubt dixie carters dad knew anything about TNA.
I’ve seen WWE refs over the last 20 years not count the 3 even though the guy didn’t kick out. It’s very rare, but it happens and it drives me crazy. Just count the 3!
The worst part of all this is that TK most likely didn't scold any of these three men when they returned through the curtain.
He would have been scared for his life if he did...
TK should has at least fined Rick for "breaking the illusion" where everybody literally saw it
My friend was lucky (or unlucky) enough to get a bunch of free tickets to this, and that whole match was a car wreck. That finisher was like a Fire Thunder Driver that Bigelow used as Greeting From Asbury Park, and I think Rikishi used it for a while. The fact that Moxley got hurt on the initial dive and nobody could pinpoint where the injury happened illustrated how redundant and meaningless the spots in these matches are. Steven Richards did a great breakdown on this that was taken down, and the thing that even left out was that they did a whole bunch of other dangerous stuff while Moxley was knocked silly. Did everyone miss that top rope stomp Fenix tried to do (it looked horrible) on Moxley while he was hung over the barricade? AEW likes to name their PPVs using gambling terms, and matches like this are Russian Roulette waiting for something to go wrong.
Stevie Richards break down of this was also awesome
And to think they said CM Punk was the problem. Now they are showing who the real problem is.
Listening to Corny talk about Wrestling is better than watching ANY of the shows nowadays Imo💯🍿🤣
I was wanting to see Jim's take on Mox getting spiked
I mean it is the type of wrestling he wanted to do
@@mriddley And the type that's dumber than hell at the same time.
Wrestling fans and wrestlers take concussions very lightly. It's a massive risk carrying health event. Kind of like a heart attack. A single concussion already puts you at the risk of developing brain bleeds in the future. More than one and you're looking at a seriously reduced lifespan. Bret Hart got a couple of concussions during his career and a really bad one when wrestling Goldberg. He was fine at the time but years later he ended up with one half of his body paralysed because of a stroke (the risk of which is significantly increased if you've ever been concussed).
And that's the 'less scary' part if you can call it that. We're not even going to talk about CTE and actual brain disorders that concussions put you at risk at.
But ofcourse the AEW wrestlers are made of titanium and don't care about concussions. 'real glass' amirite?
Yes! I grew up playing rugby, and back then it was described as “just a concussion”, no big deal, just a knock with only temporary minor effects. Now we all know different and you cannot plat fast and loose WITH YOUR BRAIN.
@@DavidOwen-yv8wz How about we scrap wrestling and close everything down then?
The only way to guarantee no wrestlers to have concussions is to not have it at all.
Wrestlers know what they sign up to. If you watch wrestling, you enjoy it, knowing concussion to wrestlers is always a risk.
It’s like aew wrestlers think they’re Hollywood movie stars. They think they’re Virtually indestructible.
@@dhenderson1810there's an obvious difference between Bob Backlund accidentally bumping Jesse Ventura in a backdrop he's done 10,000 times without incident and Jon Moxley barely managing to avoid getting his spine fractured during a Shooting Star Orange 450 Driverbomb that some 135lb luchador managed to do twice on a trampoline. Don't be obtuse. The AEW 'style' is insanely dangerous- can you see any of these guys being able to continue wrestling into their 60s like Jerry Lawler?
As someone with a disabled now-deceased sibling who had brain damage, it's so offensive to me that people would take needless purposeful risks like this with their health. Plenty of people end up with life-altering or life-ending CTE or CP from unforeseen accidents. Meanwhile, these dickheads think gambling with concussions is just a working day.
Don't do things you don't know how to do
As someone who watched this for the sake of seeing how much blood there'd be from plumber, I can say for certain, Mox got hurt in the opening floor play when Rey did a diving flip onto mox onto the floor. The camera angle was bad but he had to of gotten his bell rung either from Felix hitting him or his head bounced off the floor or guard rail. He noticeably couldn't get on his feet outside then for seconds and throughout the match waaaaay before the finish
Comical how they thought a combo of Mox, Knox, and Fenix was gonna well
It’s like mixing fuel oil, fertilizer and a spark.
XXX usually gets eyeballs.
Yeah, when you've got three names that sound like the lead in to a punchline...
The flip by Rey before the match knocked him silly , that ref should be fire , I'm fully convinced somebody is going to die live on dynamite
And somebody is going to die live with Rich Knox as the referee because Knox is a complete idiot.
Lol I thought you said the ref should be on fire at first lol
Ref wont be fired becuz the buckeroos love him
That's why I watch
Remember everyone. AEW had a list of banned moves. And they're taken as suggestions that goes through Tony first before signing it off. In conclusion banned moves rules means nothing
did anyone really believe they were gonna enforce any of it?
@@megsley not a soul
AEW stands for Accident and Emergency Wrestling at this point.
I hope Jim reacts to Bryan Alvarez downplaying the situation and making excuses like "how can the ref know something went wrong".
Brian Alvarez puts the BA in teaBAgged...
Even Dave has become critical of AEW on their podcast and Bryan just spend the whole time defending the company😂
its literally the ref's job, bryan!!
How Fenix or Knox keep their jobs after this shite is beyond me
I think we can all agree that CM Punk directly caused each separate aspect of this fiasco. When will the problems end?!
Yes it’s a good job TONY CURED CANCER isn’t it! Now nobody needs to FEAR FOR THER LIVES, and everybody’s free! To give themselves multiple head traumas doing things they aren’t physically and mentally capable of doing, and Tony can DANCE BABY!
it's old man punk!
Lmao at thumbnail! Is that zordon on the tree?
The pile driver is a about as effective as a shoulder barge in aew apparently. Go back and watch ftr vs bucks at All In where they kick out of multiple spike piledrivers
AEW singlehandedly keeping Botchamania in business. That little dance goes to prove what we already knew, Tony couldn't give the square root of a single fuck about his wrestlers health. Then again the wrestlers feel the same way about Tony's bank ballance so fuck em all, they're welcome to each other.
Oh, that's Rick Knox in the thumbnail art. I swear to God, I thought it was Zordon, from Power Rangers, stuck in a tree.
😆
Khan neglects these guys so much once the cheque is wrote. Whether physical or mental health, most of their roster is struggling.
I mean "we can do a squash if youre not cleared" to punk and matt hardys concrete bump and trying to carry the match on. Mox dropped on his head twice. Saraya wrestling after Dr nick cleared her
WE’RE TOTALLY FREE AND NONCORPORATE MAN! FREEDOM!
Stevie Richards made a video trying to explain what happened. AEW immediatly had it taken down. That Don Stevens is a real workhorse, huh? 🐴
I thought Rick Knox in the tree was Zordon from Power Rangers 😂
I don't think I would drop some one directly on their head in a real fight
Let alone let someone drop me on my head in a fake fight
I guess they haven't heard that Mox actually got the concussion from the first kick off the ropes that Fenix gave him.
The piledriver obviously made it worse. Because otherwise there wouldn’t have been confusion about the finish. They would have just rushed the original finish.
For Moxley to choose in that moment to lose, something must have happened in that moment.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715 No question about that. This was just horrible decision after horrible decision the whole way.
Yes this wasn’t a whole match review, it was a quick reaction to seeing and hearing about just the end, that went 20 minutes because it was so disgusting, and Jim had so much relevant information to impart about it to make it so inexcusable. The whole “match” just makes it even worse.
You would think that today's wrestlers would have learned from Owen Hart dropping Steve Austin on his head (and later doing the same thing to Dan Severn) the obvious fact that it's generally not safe to attempt pile driver type moves on taller, heavier opponents. On the other hand, Felix is a wrestler in only the loosest possible sense. Clearly the plumber and the corpse referee are just as unprofessional and unintelligent as Felix. The entire trio should be blacklisted from professional wrestling.
As someone in the arena, you could feel the tension after the first 2 count. We all were yelling about it being bullshit and then when he won, we were thinking "oh this isn't right" and then he laid in the ring for about 4 minutes with the ref and doctor and then hopped over the barricade and walked to the back. It was a very very weird moment. It changed the whole show for me. I was sitting there the whole time googling to see if he's alright
I feel like alot of us can say "I told you SO"
This happened because there is no Rocky movie that develops a situation similar to this one #CurseYouStalone
It's a tough spot for an announcer to be in, but Excalibur's call... "I believe Moxley twitched" was appropriately awful.
Also, I saw some post on twitter that said Moxley apparently injured himself earlier in the match during some dive. I don't know the validity of that, and the piledriver sure did look botched by Ray and like Moxley's head hit the mat hard.
Alvarez saying the piledriver did no damage is such total bullshit. So the dude just randomly decided to lose his title and not tell the ref or his opponent beforehand? Obviously something happened in that moment to make him not kick out.
If it was just the dive, Moxley would have told the ref they need to go right to a quick finish.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715 Yeah you're probably right, but who knows with Moxley... I could see him getting concussed very early on and wanting to keep going, but then that botched piledriver fucking him up even more so to the point where he had to stop wrestling... either way one thing is certain, fuck Bryan Alvarez. He lost his credibility years ago.
When knox didnt count the first fall Moxley said "Fuck you!" You can hear it clearly enough if you wear some headphones while watching.
Hopefully Mox doesn't become Chris Benoit 2.0. CTE is no joke.
The dogs are in the enclosed pool area - Jon Moxley
The very BEST piledriver in wrestling is & always will be Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff!...Harley Race & Terry Funk (Brett Hart had a nice one too) honorable mention.
What about the Undertaker's "Tombstone"?
Somewhere, Christian Cage lays a hand sadly on the tiny shoulder of Nora Paquette-Good.
Rocky 3 with a little bit of the Rambo
This looked terrible Stevie Richards explained this perfectly when he did a breakdown on his wrestling analysis RUclips channel AEW Needs to ban the Piledriver unless if your names aren't undertaker and kane you shouldn't be doing the Piledriver this all could've been avoided.
That video got taken down, Tk and his evps got to him.
@@adrianocollinzo5712I saw the video before it got taken down I didn't see anything wrong with it maybe some people don't like the truth.
did richards note the concussion was from the dive?
@@KC-vx5woI don't think so.
God the Moxley imitations are hilarious
No one's talking how he walked out & literally headbutts the camera walking to the ring! Like wtf dude. Botchmania had a wet dream, tell JIM when he's telling lies" - Chick Magnet Cornette 😮
If you watch the video Jon Moxley mouths the words "Do it again" to the ref before the second piledriver
Come on now, this is indie, carny rubbish, and again proves why everyone calls AEW - All Embarrassing Wrestling, and the fact on LIVE TV, they did this rubbish. Three times during this indie rubbish jobber Jon took the head shots, and if I'm the Athletic commission, as well as WBD I'd be cutting all ties, and shutting this poor excuse claiming to be wrestling gone.
They've said that Taker vs Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania almost ended in countout after Taker muffed a dive. He was told, by Taker, count me out if I don't get up.
Lol I was so confused when the ref stopped counting and the crowd were booing. Also Mox said F you to the ref.
Mate was like ' you see Phenix try kill Mox?"
Of course I said no, because why would I watch AEW.
Got around to watching and both the drivers looked awkward (Mox is too big, physics), dangerous, just visually shit looking coming from a five nothing guy...
and like they hurt.
Cool, good work guys. Eh.
You know corny is getting going when he pulls out his shaggy from Scooby Doo voice
This was so unreal I don't know how Turner doesn't kick them off their television. The ref stopping a count. Multiple shots on Moxleys head. Then Tony Khan comes out celebrating on the ramp like it was the best thing he'd ever seen. Unreal.
I remember arguing with some 🤡 on youtube once who claimed Fenix was 'the best wrestler in the world'. His lack of awareness in the ring during this debacle would suggest otherwise.
As well as spread his legs, Felix also leans forward and to the side. He has no business giving that move to Anyone. Mox is like 6' 4" apparently .
You maybe lean forward to stop the shock going all the way up the spine? If you are properly vertical, it may cause more damage to the person giving it, but you don't notice the lean forward when it's a bigger guy as they lean to make it look like they are driving the head in to the mat
I know Moxley is not held in the highest esteem here in the cult but man felix and his lucha-bro are dangerous wrasslers and I hope Moxley is okay. We as wrestling fans have seen lots of stuff go sideways and oh yea "F**K AEW for doing that copywriter deal on Stevie Richards channel. Stevie was just sharing his professional opinion on this botch.
felix and penthouse are the shits
@@kurtisbased183they legit wrestler like power house highflyer with a mask on lmao
If your list starts with or includes Dante Martin of guys injured by them then your opinion is dreck.
List them.
I like Stevie Richard's reaction to Rick Knox: WTF!!!
This is Jon Moxley we're talking about. I'm 100% sure he said hit me with another one. He's the same guy that took skewers to his head. What's with getting knocked out twice? Congratulations to Fenix 😂
I remember Juventud Guerrera used to do a variation on this piledriver. It looked insanely dangerous when he did it, too.
This is what happens in an unprofessional organization. First off, a stupid move like that would be less likely to happen in the WWE. And if it did, the ref would’ve stopped the match or done the three count the first time no questions asked bc they’re trained supposedly to count as a shoot (doesn’t always look that way). It’s dangerous and it’s a shame that this stuff is consistent
WWE has safety protocols post benoit, undertaker and triple h were fined for hitting chair on head, that tells they take concussions seriously
Earl Hebner held up the count at No Way Out 2001 when Rock was supposed to pin Angle. It actually was the planned finish and Hebner inexplicably stopped and said Angle kicked out when he hadn’t. Rock was livid and they had to basically do the finish over.
Can aew go a single week without something noteworthingly stupid happening
The ref should have counted to 3, the 1st time.
Moxley got concussion at the begininng off the match after fenix did a front flip off the ramp on his head, he didnt say 'do it again' he said 'f u' for not counting to 3.😅
Dude… stop listening to Alvarez. That story makes no sense. He’s doing damage control. Why would Moxley choose to lose his belt and not kick out at that exact moment without telling the ref beforehand? If it were just the dive, why wouldn’t he just tell Knox they need to go to a quick finish when he was obviously booked to win?
For a dude to choose to lose his belt when he was going to originally win means something happened at that exact moment to hurt him. And that was the piledriver.
@@mariosargiropoulos1715 yeah i thought that at 1st to but u could see it for urself
I had a concussion before, you don't know anything when that happens. You arent aware of anything when that happens. Even if Mox said "Yes I want you to drop me on my head again," I still wouldn't trust that he knows what he's saying
Here we go been waiting on this one
More Cruiserweights should work like 1997 Eddie,not 1997 Konnan. Why he is even doing a piledriver for a planned kickout??
I could not believe that Fenix just wrenched moxleys neck like that to get him up and then gave him the EXACT SAME MOVE. What the fuck dude? That could’ve been so so bad