Can the Lumenier AXII HD stack up against the king of antennas?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The king of the antenna world (in my opinion) is the TrueRC patch antennas, but I want to know if these compact antennas can stack up against what is already my personal favorite. In this video, we explore penetration and long range antenna vs antenna to find out who the true king really is.
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This guy is doing signal testing over a lake!!! Balls of steel!! Smh. Lol
Yup- NURK THE NERD BOY HAS GOT SOME “NARDS” THATS FIR SURE LMAO !
Explains why he talk about "penetration" so much
FYI: if footage corrupts due to unexpected power loss (from the machines' POV), most DJI Products will un-corrupt it when you re-boot the device with the SD Card in it. Saved me from *_probably_* getting fired a couple of times.
I know that sounds nerdy, but I would have liked to see the Bitrate in an excel chart ;)
I can send you a little script I wrote to convert srt files to csv, that is - if you have a valid recording ;)
Great test tho, nice to see you are also not to keen about diving down into the woods. I always wanna do this, but never have the balls ;)
Greets, Mario
I have had these for over a week and in my static penetration tests at 25mw, patches on top or bottom 2 ports had exact same results 39.6mbps ....but having onmis on top did better turned 90 n 180 from kwad.....sold all my VAS ions stubbys n crosshair xtremes already
Mario, that script sounds sweet. Would you mind sharing it? I’d like to use it for some antenna testing on the channel.
@@Quadcopterguide hey, I can send you the link tomorrow or you just check
my last test videos description. Let me know if you have troubles using it.
And send me mail if you want, I also wrote an excel script to import csv and create chart for all files in one directory. Schim@gmx.at
RCSchim will check it out. Danke! Then realized I’m on Mac so will have to see if i can get it to work. Thanks again.
@@Quadcopterguide you can just send me your SRT files (without video) and I would convert them for you - it's really quick and easy. Do you have excel? just send em via mail, I gave you my mailadress above...
I wanted to see the stock antenna test as well nurk. Whyyyyyyyyy lol
So do I 😊
Yeah... Had no issues with stock doing long range so far....
Wtf? 25m/bits? Update that shit and test the stock antenna at 50mbs, please? :-)
Sometimes I get disappointed with reviewers these days. They get things for free and never talk about cost vs effectiveness. If I got it all for free I would also be jumping for joy and all would be great.
Cuz he said ...stock antennas SUCK, dji specifically made them shit to lower output to meet FCC regulations, if ya want cheap get lollipops they work great
Tru rc x air is so good long range and penetration compare to stock antenna
I'm going for the minimalist approach. Keeping everything small and compact. Oddly enough that means the AXII over the stock antennas.
Over 2 miles nice. That got hairier than your beard. Nice test your killing it Nurk
Oh man. You seemed so relaxed when the video dropped. I would have 💩 my pants.
great video nurk. personally I've found the goggle 1000-1200mw setting to be night and day more powerful than the '700mw'. like over 4 times more transmission range. as though 700mw is only 200.
what watts were you on the crossfire module? great vids man!
Talk about trust in your gear. "New antennas? Let's fly over water" o.O!
wth u did with your goggles? there scratched and bumped soo bad... wow...im using mine very heavy, but it doesnt seem like yours...
Hi will these work flying the stock dji fpv that comes with the combo.
Out the box that comes from dji .
Many thanks.
@NURK FPV - It's 3 tx/rx and 1 rx-only ports according to the FCC documents. However, actual power testing has shown that only the top two connectors ever transmit anything.
When using the AXII HDs you've got them on the rx-only connectors. That will somewhat hamper the retry mechanism which DJI relies on very heavily.
FWIW, I run em plugged into the top two ports, and have some long AXII 2 "long range" omnis with right angle connectors in the bottom ports which stick up over the top of the goggles.
Yes I have to remove and reinstall the omnis to fit in my bag, but they're a lot easier than removing/reinstalling the TrueRC antennas. If I want all directional, I use 2 Triple Feed patches on bottom connectors instead of the omnis.
Insane in the membrane... totally awesome run man ..I love the trail run...I would be in trouble. So Turk did I win the t shirt....lmao. Be Safe and RC Crazy. Thank You for your time I really appreciate it.
the middle of the lake is right below us: it is the time to test failsafe, RTH, how it survives goggles switching off and TX switching off.
Hey - Do you have a comparison between the Axii / TrueRC patch antennas and the stock Dji antennas? Just curious what boost you get.
Please redo the test with the patches on top. just ordered mine from getfpv, hope they are better than stock😄
Dude you gonna luv em...I have had these for over a week and in my static penetration tests at 25mw, top or bottom 2 ports had exact same results 39.6mbps ....but having onmis on top did better turned 180 from kwad, so mine stay on top
I saw another reviewer saying that the top antennas both send and receive data whereas the bottoms only receive. Wouldn’t this affect the results?
@@etops.flight 3 ports send recieve per fcc filing by dji m.imgur.com/R8TEFGW
Now do it all again with the axii patches on top
Dont matter dude only 1 port is rx only per dji fcc filing m.imgur.com/R8TEFGW
@@flo-ridafpv5713 wrong. better with patches on top
@@stewpidazole I have had these since 8/24 and in my static penetration tests thru block house at 25mw, top or bottom 2 ports had exact same results pointed direct 39.6mbps ....but having onmis on top did better turned 90 and 180 from kwad, so mine stay on top ;)....ur welcome
Doesn't really explain that Chinese guys video showing better penetration with patch up top though does it.....
@@Clynikal didnt see that vid, but i hear at super long range directionals on top is best
And now my question! Is this still a Good Choice with the v2 Version?
Nurk getting all professional with his production quality. Looking good
Pretty nice flying, Paul! Great testing!!! 😃
Honestly, the difference seems pretty small!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Surprised to see only 3km maximum with patch antennas. Isn't DJI advertising up to 4km line of sight reception with the stock stubby antennas ?
Is it just me, or is the Lumenier AXII HD quite a bit cheaper? Seeing as you need to purchase 2x TRUE RC MX at 80$ each whilst the Lumenier is only 70$ for two?
I need to get those stock antenna's off my DJI FPV Goggles. I'm all about the form factor and being able to put my googles in a bag (convenience). Are the Lumenier AXII HD still the way to go or should I be looking at something newer already (I know this video was posted in Sept. 2020) ...I'll check the rest of your videos too...just to see if you tested anything else. Thanks for the review...I'm right there with you. Don't like the stock DJI antenna's...pain to pack up in a bag (and I know their not the best - FCC regulations and all).
They're worse than stock ! At least the ones I have are. Not impressed and Getfpv tried to charge me 15% to retun them and they don't work as advertized.
Common to have the sma pigtai l break off inside goggles from overtightening sma, its all over the facbook group
Yes worst than stock if fly behind the building or areas with strong wifi interference. But open Air or long-range distance is a bit better than stock, but the goggles need facing the kwad, quite scary when minor failed safe.
Hello,
I have a problem with my DJI FPV Goggles V2. One of the antennas got broken and I can't find a single replacement for it, only bundles. I am unsure if I can mix and match antennas, so I need some advice.
Would it be possible to use a 5.8Hz antenna with my remaining stock antennas? Or would it be better to just buy two new antennas and replace them both? I don't have much knowledge about antennas, so any suggestions or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Awesome videos. I know this is an older one so i hope you are still commented on it. Have you done any comparisons of the dji transmitter vs crossfire? I've got the V1 goggles and have had a couple of drop outs with the crossfire even with it showing 92%LQ
Every man likes good penetration in tough situations . I do have to say, much rather have the Lumineer set up. Clean look and looks like it is much easier to pack.
Now it's time to try with stock anntenas? :)
oh but its not "cool" to use stock ! someone should make a 3D cover to put over stock.
hi
, quick question , for max range on dji air unit v1 with googles v1 , do you think 25mb/s and low latency got more range than 50mb/s low latency ?
have you tried the DragonWing FPV Drone antennas, just wondering what you thoughts are
please wood you do a fatshark VS DJI in the same spot i am interested in that test not sure if i want a DJI yet trying to figure that out thanks
You definitely want DJI, it crushes everything on the market outside of special long range gear.
Let me help.....digi is 300 trillion times better than analog.. proof?...watch any of my vids, all dji goggle dvr superviewed w beats of course ;)
Patch antennas not very reliable while flying in forests, hills and places full of obstacles, only good in flat straight forward flying. I taken my patch off and replaced it with tru rc stubby
When you switch the bottom 2 antennas to the patch antennas do you lose any omni directional capability? Reworded... if I use the patch antennas for long range and I switch to a short range flight where I want the best onmi capability should I unplug the patches and put in 4 omni antennas or does it not matter?
Mom always says, read instructions first.
This video needs a good rename. I had so much trouble finding it. Thanks for making it though. I really appreciate it
First 10 seconds. "big fan of the dji digital fpv system" clearly not a big fan of sharp knives.
hahaha
Why do you connect the long range Antennas to the bottom why not the top? I have another aftermarket ones similar but I saw in the picture they were on top. Just wondering if im hooking it up wrong
Haha, I recognize that park. I lived in Indianapolis for a year and that one of the first parks I flew FPV at.
Does anyone know if these will work with the stock DJI air unit antennas? Do i need any special antennas on the drone itslelf?
Thanks all - new here so apprecaite the help!
They will
@@NURKFPV thanks Nurk! Your the reason I got into this. Documenting the journey been a blast! Thanks for your tutorials etc!
Funfact for you evrytime youre file corrupts on the v2 googles repower the googles and the file get repaired seeyq
It would be even better to compare to stock antennas.
I bet the stock antennas would of been the same through the woods.
But at distance over the lake not so good...
They almost definitely wouldn't have
@@NURKFPV the form factor is excellent.
@@NURKFPV I've run tests through dense woodland with the menace RC digipack
Tried top and bottom left side and right side.
The stock antennas beat them every time. (Just) at 1200mw.
Long distance I got to around 600m before the bit rate and signal bars began to fluctuate massively with stock antennas on.
Once I added menace patches to bottom two (stock antennas on top) I got to around 600m and bitrate stayed at 50.8mbps but signal bar was red with just one bar showing.
So I added to foxxer lollipop 3's to the top two with patches below.
I flew 1.8km with solid 50.8mbps and full signal bars.
So this tells me the top antennas are used to give osd signal bars.
Whilst bottom two give the bitrate info for the osd.
So when upgrading antennas I firmly believe that the DJI antennas all work together for best results.
Doing a mismatch of Omni and patch doesn't work correctly.
Iv found either 4 patches for straight in front long range or 4 Omni's (I followed rcshims advice and used 4x foxeer lollipop 3) for general flying to get best results. Namely an accurate bit rate and an accurate signal indicator in the osd.
All that said the form factor of these is very good indeed.
Great Vid Nurk, whilst I don't have DJI at the moment I'm close to making my next quad HD so this is great information. Thanks mate.
Its totally worth it, its a transformative experience after flying with garbage all this time.
can you maybe do a follow up with the dji google v2? also did you use the stock antennas on the air unit?
my analog drone wouldn't survive any of this (no crossfire obviously)
Try these Menace DJI HD Antenna Pack .loving em so far.
Almost pulled the plug on these...but I'm now seeing 'iFlight' just put out the iFlight Crystal Patch Antennas.....I'm guessing they'll perform similarly but not much information out there on them yet. Hopefully, you'll have a chance to review those as well.
I definitely recommend supporting more usa companies!
@@NURKFPV Didn't even notice that...still getting the FPV 'basics' under my belt but certainly a consideration. Gotta keep it local when we can!
Hmmm I wonder how these will compare to the true rc 4 stubby
Directionally these should definitely win over any stubby. I’ve flown the truerc stubbies for probably 300 packs now and they are no better than stock. I’m definitely keeping the stubbies though, if I stuck with stock I’d either have to remove them every time or I’d end up breaking the connector. And sma connectors are rated to like 1000 mating cycles or something. A lot can be said about form factor.
@@JavisHD see I want all around good I'm not good at pointing my head towards the quad
DJIJOFPV I’d really like to try these out since they are so low profile AND cheaper than X-Air. But if you’re not the type to use directional I’d stick with those stubbies. You can really improve performance a ton with better antenna placement on the quad and upping your wattage with the 1200mw hack
Extra long omnis on the goggles would also be beneficial, but then you’re having to connect / disconnect 2-4 antennas every time you go out.
Running the antenna sideways like that means the radiation pattern goes up and down, rather than side to side. Great for tall building but limits the angle side to side and isn't the optimal choice for the antenna design.
Have you tried using two crosshair extreme? Smaller than your current antenna and as good punch with a better radiation pattern.
It is bust for storage, not flying! Try to listen for once mate
@@MoppelMat it is bust for storage? Where did he say it was bust for storage? Try to proof read your own comments for once mate!
Also, if you watch he runs one of the antenna at a 45 rather than vertical, that's not correct position either.
Try using your eyes for once mate!
N0FPV yeah. Troll on mr
@@MoppelMat riiiiiigh. Giving advice on how to run directional antennas correctly is trolling. Lol 😂 you sure are salty, I bet your mother was a sailor.
This antwnnas work With That Fpv drone (black one , dji )
The way you dropped the drone at 8:30 lol 4 foot drop for landing
The x-acto throw in the table was so smooth lol
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Looks like you got some cosmetic antennas...and 2.3kms isn't long range either....Just sayin.
All those leaves and foliage are 5.8g signal killers...lol.
I’m still learning but I have a DJI FPV and I want to use your recommended set up. Have all stock stuff. Can I just add great antenna to the goggles to improve plus that 1200W hack? Please send help!
Yep. I don't even use 1200
Im new, one is antenna, the other is called patch? Do they work together?
after your test i ordered them, because of size and handling. i really hope they are working well on the V2 googles the same good way. even with only 10% behind the others, it is still a good result.
I’m in the same boat as you. Lol still headhunting the best antennas for my first upgrade on these
I’m so late to the HD party.
@@creationlabsinc.189 Late? They just managed to get the first system running ok. There is more coming. We are still first adopters or what you call this craziness
How do truerc stubbys compare to just the lumenier stubbys?
I have two DJI FPV goggles. also the big whites and the big Red/black Occusinc. one FPV has stock antenna one FPV has true rc on top and stubbie lower I love the stubbies so convenient ! the difference in performance for everyday flying is negligible. I have been flying DJI EVERYDAY for 16 months. EVERYDAY ! If I want long distance the solution is simple. MAVIC PRO ! I keep it with me in the car just in case. Mavic Pro (6 yrs old) with those big white DJI Goggles... enjoy the scenery ........
LOVED the way the bystanders clapped...here in England they'll get Agressive and walk up to you to confront you.Happened to me yet again today,posh snobby lady with dog...told her to shut up,go away,and read the Drone Code on the internet BEFORE walking up to strangers flying drones,quoting laws which she just made up.
Would there be any benefit of running one True RC Patch, AND one Lumenier AXII HD (like a combo)? Asking, because curious.
Thank you.
Never mind, it was addressed down below by a " Victor Galvez".
Would you happen to have said footage of the combination of each patch, maybe in future works?
Again, thanks.
I've tried different antennas, no extra performance. don't bother
Andy rc did a video on why you should not change the dji antennas. Not sure if its a good idea to use third party antennas because dji antennas meet the safety requirments and shielding. But we will see in time if people start to get lumps on there heads
I use a simonk 30A ESC, and it catches fire every time i crash... Any suggestions please??
I am using KK 2 flight controller, 2200mah lipo battery and 1000kv bldc motors
@NURKFPV Joshua Bardwell posted a video on mounting the AXII on the top vs the bottom. It was pretty interesting. (I'm commenting at 9mins so sorry if you discussed this!)
I'm surprised the X-Air's didn't go farther. You might try flying from the end of the boat dock. Might have been getting interference flying from behind it.
Nah my vas xhair extremes did same as these in my static penetration tests at 25mw...almost same gain just wider beam....sold em and my 4x ion stubbys
@@flo-ridafpv5713 Should be able to get much farther though. I've gone 10Km with the DJI system.
@@twinturbostang oh in open air ya mean yea, i dont fly LR, just urban stuffs....i think the vista dont do as well as AU....i do however share ur affinty for spoolin up those ball bearings...have a grey 91 300zx twin turbo, has it all done minus crank n pistons, she makes 460ish to wheels on pump gas ;)
Hope nobody goes for a walk on that walking track 🤣
Flying LR over the lakes on the TrueRC held much stronger than the Lumeniers, like 15% better in range and 25% in performance. And 5-10% in penetration through the bush-course. We'll try to custom form factor the TrueRC antennas we sell a little better soon.
awesome … will it work as good if i use it to fly the DJI FPV???
thanks
This might be a stupid question but is there a reason to run the DJI system in 25mbps when it's capable of 50? Surely that means better range and penetration?
Which antenna upgrade is compatible with that bid analog adapter? Or just get upgraded antennas? (No patch for the eye piece?)
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Noob question: Why does Blue.FPV have so much longer range than this?
Hey Nurk - did you lower your camera angle when you went through the trees? Also, I have an all-white German Shepherd 8 week old arriving Saturday. I was inspired by your beautiful black beauty.
I left it the same place I always leave it
what the total cost for all the controller's goggles and drone and batteries? Can you send a link to where I can buy a badass drone like your.
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@@NURKFPV Thankyou I can't wait to start flying instead of destroying my #krakenrc
Quick question Nurk. What is the compatibility of the fpv goggles with phantom 4 and mavic 2 pro? Also, can I have someone watching the live feed in the goggles while I use the feed in the tablet? Thanks for all the great content.
Witch are the best and What is the price
Very nice test but one thing just curious why you didn't end up using only one x-air antenna and the two Stubby's and just switched to the axii 2s? That seems to be more of a fair test but still nice to see how they perform against one another.
A great pilot and UAV guru. A frustrating video for me. I need a critical comparison not HD with voice over.
Very good review. Just got the dji goggles and vista. The form factor and how compact the antennas are impressive going to have to order one myself! These stock antennas suck!!Thanks 🙏🏻
Thanks a lot for the awesome video...is it possible to use two cameras and switch between there views for live stream ?
yoo you live in clearlake brother??? Ca?
Super long range, and there's me trying to get my Emax freestyle to work at 3 meters with out loosing picture lol
What if you swap out the stubbies for something more advance? The axll on bottom and larger antennas on top? That should really outperform true rc, right?
Damn, just bought an x-air last week!
Something to note is they’re a bit fussy to get on and off.. those 3D printed grips don’t work very well (on mine anyway).
A fair test for day to day would really be having one of the x-airs on only, and leave two omnis - Lumeniers would probably hold up in that test
I bought one X Air first, then this comes out. I order the AXII HD and this will be my daily. I just remove the stubbis and put the X Air on Top without removing the HD patches. Think it will work nearly the same like two X Airs.
Guys. I really like these videos, trying to find out, what is the best equippement for us. Even if this isent a scientic approach, like rcschimm's attrmps. You guy just missed a critical point. The goggles (Antennas) must be in a lock, fixed position. A slight move with the head makes huge differents in such a high gain antennas. ❤
Iff the x air's design is a little better I would keep it. The x air is so weird shape and they are bulky and hard to stay in one place, screw come loose all the time.
The signal is going down and then pops up, it's probably due to signal bouncing off of clouds.
Would this antenna work well with the stock antenna that comes with the Caddx vista
Yes
Are the True RC stubby's worth getting over the stock dji antennas?
Great comparitives! Practical Paul
How do you record or get the GPS map overlay? I have GPS on one quad, but I find no way to record the GPS data..
3 way test next please o bearded one. What was the product quality like ? There’s been some bad sets sent out with glue all over them.
I only get 300 meters D on my avata 2
DJI Digital FPV System
Many thanks again Nurk. I own both sets but don’t feel like taking the time to compare them. The convenience factor is a big one. Putting the X2’s on and taking them off is not convenient I don’t touch the antennas on any of my other sets of goggles because I’m a little bit lazy, and fortunately I don’t have to unless I want to try something new. So, I am grateful that you tested them for us. Also, I didn’t know that the DJI DVR stopped if it lost signal; thanks for that bit of knowledge too.👍👍
I've been looking into getting the DJI FPV Goggles but so far haven't seen many videos of a Radio Transmitter other than DJI's and I'm not a fan of DJI's radio so is it just a matter of using a different flight controller? I'm fairly new to the hobby just have used a few different Video Drones and GPS drones but I've been learning Acro with a simulator any differences you had to make or just any flight controller with the DJI Video controller?
most people are just using the caddex Vista air unit. I just bought an iflight nazgul 5 HD and all I had to do to run my radiomaster zorro was to solder on my elrs reciever onto the board.
Really digging the studio set up, looking forward to educational fpv stuff and shenanigans 🤘. Can’t wait for these to be back in stock, Dan dibble stubbies on the FatSharks just so I can fit them in my bag as is
You’re supposed to plug the in on top ports for the best results
That's what everyone's saying.. whoops I'm an idiot..
@@NURKFPV Thats actually not true. The bottom two ports receive and the top two ports transmit. You were right Nurk. AndyRC and RCShim have done videos on this
@@mysteryedits nope, the official Documentation from DJI for FCC or whatever state that only one bottom antenna is receive only, the three others are send and receive
Berats Builds can you link that
@@mysteryedits it's somewhere in the official DJI group on Facebook. But the search engine on Facebook is crap, you might try to find it
Ok so every antenna test I saw says DJI antenna is pretty much as good as any upgrades you might get a tad farther but not enough to waste the money
Dude stock suck, dji made them on purpose to limit output power to meet fcc regulations, test literally any other lhcp antenna n it will do better, easy to test static at 25mw thru say ur house, just note mbps