What broke my heart the most about this is how little time it took for Odin to kill him. No hesitation whatsoever. If Broks death didn't hammer it home for me enough, Thor's death certainly did.
Hammer it home huh? See what you did there 😏 But definitely- the way he just does it without any remorse or emotions shows how Odin truly sees knowledge as the only valuable thing in his eyes. Even his offsprings are nothing but means to an end
@@asafakiva1619 it's terrifying when you consider that for years even decades, Thor has killed hundreds of thousands of people under his Odin's orders and has only been met with insults and belittlement no matter how well he does that he views kindness as a threat when Atreus tries reaching out to him, and then the one and only time Thor stands up and denies him and not even in any large capacity just a simple 'no' was all it took for a father to end his own son's life without any hesitation.
He, didn't care if Magni and Modi were killed, he had no problem replacing Baldur the moment Atreus proved useful and had no problem quickly killing Thor in a instance.
Yup. Thors lived for longer than any human, slaughtered in Odins name, but the moment he puts down mjolnir and says he won’t fight (not even fighting against Odin directly) it takes him less than 30 seconds to go from appearing to actually killing his own son. Odin saw Thor as a living weapon, the moment he wasn’t pointed at his enemy’s he’d kill him just to avoid the possibility he’d be aimed at him. He never respected or lived him and he made no effort to hide that. He wanted him strong, stupid and to talk as little as possible so he wouldn’t question him. How Odin uses him isn’t unique to Thor, he’s just more honest about it compared to others who require more subtlety
Yeah that’s how I thought about it too, a Kratos that was content with being a weapon. That said Odin didn’t pull any mook shit and make Thor kill Sif and his kids whiiiich is a factor for rebellion if I’ve ever seen one
I imagined Thor is what Kratos would become if Lysandra and Calliope were still alive. He'd still be the devoted lapdog of Zeus and Ares despite his wife constantly warning him.
@@CCD2938 Actually it was Ares that pulled the little trick on Kratos and made him kill his own family. Zeus was ok with Kratos killing Ares for revenge (also Ares was becoming a threat to Olympus too). The reason why Kratos killed Zeus and the rest of the Olympians was something completely different and pretty much was caused by Kratos himself.
@Dimitris4110 Zeus was okay with it because he wanted his son Kratos to be the God of War, making said God of War easier to control as Ares was a crazy beast who didn't listen to reason. Ares used to travel to the Egyptian world and terrorize cities there to make Zeus angry (it was also believed Ares was looking for the Norse giants there to build an army to overthrow Olympus) so you can imagine that Zeus wanted Ares off of the throne.
Best part of this whole exchange “Don’t you know, what I’ve done?” “YES! But what will you do now?” Coming from Kratos himself, a guy who’s ran down an entire pantheon and killed his family, he understands influence from a narcissistic father, grief and rage better than anyone. It wouldn’t have hit Thor if it came out of anyone else’s mouth. If Kratos could change for the best, there was hope for Thor too. Wish we could’ve seen more of it
"What is this?! Are you broken?!" Just goes to show that Odin looked at his own son as nothing more than a toy he could throw at whoever he hated. The lack of hesitation he has when killing Thor is pure psychopathic; Thor's refusal was a direct insult to Odin's obsessive aspect of control, and with that insult, Odin instantly chose death. Odin may have looked and sounded dumb as all hell lmfao, but he could really flip the switch and turn sadistic in a heartbeat. At least Thor actually did, while buried, have care for his children!
I actually liked the way Odin was portrayed, because this is what he was like in the mythology. He wasn’t an enforcer like Thor, he was manipulative, cunning, and someone of high authority. Don’t let Marvel blind you, Santa Monica did their research.
I think that was the point. Every character he's wronged has said that he canturn on the charm. The Atreus section is proof that the Affable nature is life times of psychosis and every action he's engaged in proof the guy has DPD. He legit thinks his family is is not screwed up because of him. Thor is the way he is because Thor is just a screw up. People compare Odin to a mafia boss ala the godfather and I think that was the inspiration here. The Godfather and even other mafia style movies shows how the family is meaningless when it comes to business or personal goals. Family is just a collection of tools that is defended out of spite of others but killed out of spite for one's self.
The worst part is how there is absolutely no hesitation. Thor says "No", Odin instantly stabs him. He didn't care if he was his son or not, the moment he disobeyed him was the moment he had to be put down. Odin might not have been as powerful or imposing as Zeus, but he was absolutely terrifying if you look at him from this point of view. He was master and everyone else was his puppet.
I also feel like Odin feared Thor being his enemy as well. Even Though Odin was smarter and more manipulative, Thor was one of the few that knew enough about Odin’s secrets and weaknesses to take him down if he wanted to. Thor may would’ve even gotten wiser if he was given a chance to follow a path he chooses to and not what someone chooses for him.
@@childishe60 Odin literally casually one-shots him in the video mate; the difference in power between them is such that it doesn't matter if Thor was twice as powerful and twice as smart. He'd still be little more than a salvaged tool to Odin. There is nothing to fear from Thor, the reason Odin continuously insists on him "not thinking" isn't because he's afraid of Thor "wising up" (I mean, we see in the video exactly what happens the moment he does "wise up" LMAO), but rather because Thor is genuinely just stupid lol; and when stupid people try to solve problems they usually just end up causing more of them.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no And also remember, It took three people ( four if you cont mimir) to take down odin. People seem to underastimate the guy, but if the lack of raw power that odin has is compesated by his cheer knowledge with spells. My man wasn't a bigger threat than zeus, he was on the same level
Honestly fingers crossed and have hope friend, even zeuss didnt stay conpletly dead in the series and kratos came back twice, Thor could come back like it was nobodies business
I am sadden that Thor died. It just felt like he really some what regretted doing all those terrible things and tried to seek a better life just like Kratos.
Regret doesn’t feel like the right word. He’s sees himself irredeemable. He does bad things and that’s who he is. Until Kratos, someone who by all accounts is just as destructive as Thor, forces him to realize he can be better.
Odin is fucking evil in this game in so many aspects. He seems like this down to earth guy who is charming, caring and chill. But this facade drops every now and then. He sees everyone purely as his toys he can use whenever he wants to get what he wants and sees no use for them afterwards. He kills his own son the second he decides to deny his orders and immediately starts trying to manipulate Thrüd in a hurry but upon realizing he doesn't have enough time to do so, he just smacks her with her father's hammer to get her out of his way. I love how seemingly harmless but actually evil he is
I also thought he was actually such a chill, charming character. He's very well written, I found myself actually really liking Odin at points but like you said, he's actually just playing a big game with everyone, very evil.
@@aidenralston4328 the earlier parts with Atreus and Odin actually made him feel convincing to an extent, sure you know he’s the big bad guy but he’s compelling. Then as the story goes on you find out just how twisted he is and how deep his deceit runs. People who hate on Odins character don’t understand that even from the Norse mythology he is a God of deceit and manipulation. His character is perfect imo.
I know Odin killing his own son is bad enough but it’s so fucked how he did it with basically no hesitation at all, the second he realised Thor wasn’t going to just blindly act as his weapon anymore he saw no use in him at all.
He might be worse than Zeus. Zeus at least have Kratos a final chance to submit. Not to mention Kratos had already shown his utter contempt for Zeus’ rule. But Odin. The second Thor said no, that was it.
I’d say he was worse than Zeus. At least Zeus gave Kratos several chances to back down and was infected by Pandora’s box. I’m pretty sure he even let Kratos kill him in the end.
@@loganbaxter4685 Yep-Pandora's Box after it was opened toward the end of the very first God of War game in the original trilogy, released the dozens of powers and secrets that should never have been revealed to the world. Zeus, unfortunately, was corrupted by the force of Paranoia-which is a devouring illness in that Greek Mythos. Before that, Zeus actually wasn't a bad person. I can guarantee had he not been infected by the Paranoia in Pandora's Box, he'd have never have killed Kratos in GoW2 with his own blade out of a paranoid fear of him and begin the spiral of Vengeance that led to the Pantheon's destruction. It's why we see Paranoia leave Zeus as a blackened mist as Kratos is killing him. But Kratos was too driven and blinded to see it.
I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
The thing that fucks me up the most is Odin immediately jumping into the “I didn’t want this, why did you make me hurt you” act after literally impaling his own son. Peak abusive behavior, that instant switch to an unearned “I hurt you, but now you need to forgive me”
"You don't talk. You don't think. I think. You kill. It's a simple f*cking concept!" This line stood out to me because Odin tried to remind Thor he can never be anything more than the ruthless, lumbering muscle that enjoyed killing and destroying all this time. As soon as Thor tried to change for the better, Odin couldn't accept that so he killed him. That's what makes this such a great scene. Nearly everyone was capable of letting go and changing, but Odin couldn't. Just like Heimdall. Just like Zeus and most of the Pantheon.
He does this multiple times to Thor. "Jeez I liked you better when you were a drunk" while Thor was actively in recovery and all he had to do was walk to the bar to across the way to relapse. It took great restraint to not just walk in and get free alcohol but Odin continuously reminds him he was better as a drunk killing machine
@@Beserker69 Not necessarily, Neither had to die but just did it for the "sad moment", I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
As much as that is an awesome idea, the LAST thing Kratos would want is another son killing his father. Thor may have had a good reason, but he isn't another Bauldr.
The fact that Thor realized his mistakes and teamed up with Kratos only to die by his own Father’s hands seconds later in front of his own Daughter is seriously one of the saddest moments in the entire God of War Franchise. R.I.P. team Kratos & Thor. Odin got what he deserved. 😭💔😡
I know Thor had a horrible attitude and done some bad things in the past, but he realized what he had done wrong within those 30 seconds without ever being able to change his ways. Thor didn’t deserve to die.
I agree, but I don't think he realized everything "in 30 seconds". He had caring family and caring wife. If you listen to his dialoges in Asgard you would hear that he is willing to change but as Kratos he is somewhat stuck with the "i only destroy things" narrative (or in his own words "god of thunder is only good for 2 things: killing giants and pissing mead"). Kratos didn't had that many encounters with people whi believed that there was good in him and it took him A LOT of years to finally realize that his ways are not the ultimate ways and that he can forgive himself. Thor had a caring family, therefore his "transition" from "destroyer" to someone who understands that he ca change was faster. I mean if we never had all those info on Thor and scenes with him, than yeah it would've looked like a cheap move from the devs. But knowing everything we know about him and Odin that was something like a final realization that enough is enough. Anyway yeah, it was sad seing him die... I was hoping that he would live after all...
This is where the prophecy was subverted. Had Kratos killed Thor, Thor’s wife and daughter would have attempted to take revenge and Odin would have popped in and speared Kratos when he was distracted. Loki would then have donned the mask to see if he could learn how to bring his father back but he would have instead been driven mad (or turned into Jim Carrey)
@@prismaticstetsons6601 maybe he changed it, the norns said there is no grand design its just that everyone's actions are so predictable they don't change so it's easy to predict what will happen, so because of kratos choices in the past the predictable choice would've been kratos killing thor like he did with so many gods, but instead he spares him and changes fate?
I think the turning point was when kratos told artreus to open his heart and then went to try and save the people from midgard. This led to sif finding that other kid and convincing thrud not to kill artreus (I imagine kratos would have killed thrud if she continued) with thrud alive Thor has a reason to be better and not to be a destroyer
I think this scene is a masterclass in how to write a complex villain. And it's best shown when Thrud arrives. Odin didn't just kill Thor because he refused an order. Odin is a strategist. He will sacrifice his pawns when he knows he has more pieces to play. Before Thrud got there, Odin was in control. He killed Thor without thought or question, because Thor was just a tool to him. Odin just needs someone strong to execute his whims on the realms. And at the end of the day, Thrud is Thor's successor. She's strong, capable, young and much more trusting of Odin. That's why Odin killed Thor, because he thought he could just replace him with Thrud. But when Thrud arrives, you can hear the panic in Odin's voice. He was banking on Thrud being his new destroyer, but now she's just witnessed him kill her father and has shattered any sense of faith or loyalty she had. He tries to haphazardly gaslight her, shift the blame and twist the narrative, and you can hear him struggling; "This was all their fault." But the damage is done. Odin doesn't have a destroyer to fight his battles for him. He's lost a powerful player in Thrud, and now he's overplayed his hand. It kinda reminds of that scene in the Lion King where Scar badmouths the Hyenas to save his ass, only to be thrown to those Hyenas, and desperately tries to talk and connive his way out of the situation before being torn apart. It's difficult to do, but it's great when what you think is a villain's greatest strength becomes the seed to their own downfall.
1000%, nice analysis. If Odin had won Ragnarok he would totally have told all of the Aesir that Thor died fighting Kratos and pin a lot of other heinous shit on him too. Always a step ahead, just let his obsession over knowledge get the better of him.
You've just made Odin seem that much more grotesque and horrific than he already was, that he may really have been ready to turn his own granddaughter down the path of her father as an unthinking, abused weapon.
2:38 What fucking cold stare he gives. No hatred, no disgust, or even disappointment. Just... indifference. The second Thor said no Odin was like "Fine" and then proceeds to stab Thor his only regret being that Thor defied him.
As well-written as Thor's arc and character is, part of me wishes he had a redemption arc in the next Loki story. Loki going to find the Giants, with Thor tagging along and confronting the horrors of his past would have made for a wonderful story.
That'd be such a wonderful parallel to Kratos's story as well. Where Atreus would help Thor the same way Kratos helped him and Freya, passing on many of the same lessons.
@@AimForMyHead81 I would have preferred Thor lived. But say they bring him back, they could think of a reason. They brought Kratos back from the dead before. He also destroyed Greece.
Thor didn't... he didn't die the same way Heimdall or Baldur went out. Visually, I mean, he faded into blue light instead of leaving behind a gory corpse. Something tells me that's important.
Good catch another thing I would of also loved is if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
He turned selfless in the last moments just like Athena sacrificing herself to save Olympus. Thor went to higher existence. They said Norse saga was done they did not said Thor is done. Just like how Athena makes a cameo
man, this portrayal of odin is just very scary. he doesn't seem grandiose, he just seems like an absolute lunatic, it feels like such a person could exist.
People like that do exist, and he wouldn't be categorized as a lunatic but rather megalomania and some sort of antisocial personality disorder that makes him lacking in empathy like NPD.
@@Thrillkilled same it’s usually the ones that preach unconditional love, you learn pretty quickly that the moment you question them that unconditional love comes with a few conditions
"dont you know what i have done" Thor know the monster he is but Odin blinds his path and make him think he cant change. Until now RE: Until he meet his equal, Kratos the ghost of sparta, the slayer, a monsters just like him but with the difference that Kratos change, is no more a peon of other gods.
"I did not want this, I did *not* WANT this!" He's not talking about killing Thor. He's talking about Thor's refusal. He did not want Thor to disobey him. Killing Thor is something he doesn't care about the slightest, Odin only cares about himself
Nah, he’s talking about killing Thor, but only because he didn’t want Thor to stop being useful and this bring about death, I also think he’s still manipulating Thor because of how much of a narcissist Odin is
@@connor4435 Kratos is attacking Asgard, they are there to kill Odin????? What??? He's is the king, Thor is basically kings guard. Not defending the king isn't treason? Then what is it? Even if it's not treason, disobeying the king is punishable by death.
"what is this? Are you broken?" Idk why but this one line pisses me off and makes me hate Odin so much. The sheer ignorance and carelessness towards his own child. No, not a child, a weapon, a tool, a toy. And if it breaks, trash it and move on to the next (Atreus was probably his new favorite "toy"). It's disgusting and infuriating and he deserved so much worse than what he got. Great villain 😂.
Exactly, even though some people don’t like Odin, I think the portrayal is very good. Odin isn’t supposed to be a big enforcer like Thor or Zeus, he’s supposed to be cunning and manipulative, someone of high authority, which this game captures perfectly.
@@Howlingburd19 agreed. I was honestly expecting Zeus 2.0. maybe with more magic and less lightning but still the same. I'm pleasantly surprised by what we got. And now I'm itching to see what they do with the Egyptian pantheon if they go there.
I've been re-watching this over and over and I cant get enough of it. The way Richard Schiff says: "I didnt want this. I did not want this" is just amazing. At first one would think that its Odin telling Thor that he didnt want to kill him but, the more I listen to it, the more Im convinced that Odin is actually telling Thor: "This is punishment. You should've done what Ive told you to do"
No one else but Kratos could have convinced Thor it was possible to move beyond being a killing machine. He knows what Kratos did and just thought men like them were hopeless and doomed to a life of destruction. When he saw that Kratos had managed to overcome this, he realized he could too. Then Odin offed him…
@@benginaldclocker2891 well they made loki kratos’s son so he couldn’t really die even if it’s accurate to the mythology not everything in this game is accurate
Lol not even close. Prime Kratos pulled out the head of sun God because he wanted a flashlight. Prime Kratos killed literally an entire pantheon by himself just to get revenge
I think the words "I have never seen a man so broken" could also be used to describe Thor here...just a man beyond abused and just used like a tool...there is like shred of a person left and trying to regain control
*The lore behind what happened prior to Kratos arriving in Midgard* is worth a prequel TV series.. it was literally GOT but instead of Sword Fights it was world shattering, super powered gods fighting
@@marioss2167 A guy called Mimir comes to the Norse Lands... he tries to get the attention of Odin, the King of The Aesir (The King of the gods of the land) by capturing a giant whale and it works and he is promoted to his advisor.. A guy called Tyr, the God of War, travels to other lands like Egypt and Greece to learn from other gods.. he tries to lead by peace. Tyr, tries to help The Giants before it's too late and is tbh the Ned Stark of the story and is killed by Odin in a fit of paranoia that he was scheming against him. Cocky and arrogant, Mimir, thinks he can have it all in money, fame and wives until he realizes, Odin, is insane and in a mad scramble for knowledge - he commits genocide - murdering Giants and enslaving kingdoms (basically The Mad King from GOT) Mimir is horrified but it's too late to get out and he is imprisoned on a tree tortured daily for the rest of his life. Kratos, the guy who murdered like 25 Gods arrives years later - after the bad guys have won.. The Aesir press him - asking what he's doing on their land - and it's the first time Odin realizes he may have made a mistake.. because a GOD KILLER just landed in his garden.
It's nothing short of insanity how Odin still saw himself as a 'good person' after having just put a spear through his own son's heart because he didn't want to be a tool of violence anymore. In the diseased mind of a narcissistic psychopath, it's always someone else's fault even when they are holding the murder weapon in their very hand.
I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
The "are you broken?" question somehow feels even colder than the actual kill to me... We already knew that Odin didn't care for his son, but this really and truly drives it home. Like Thor is just a toy for him, to be used and disposed of the second it's no longer functional...
It's carzy how quickly Odin killed his son. I know he mostly just used him as a tool, but he didn't hesitate for even a second. Even worse because you could tell Thor was slowly changing his ways, standing up against Odin, caring about his family and even getting close to Atreus in the short time they spent.
Thor mirrored Kratos in many ways both being violent monsters both regretting past acts both killed by their own father it seems the cycle didn't end after all
if you pay attention your realize that Odin was planning for this. He stabs Thor and he instantly evaporates meaning Odin had a spell ready for this scenario. Thats why Odin is such a a-hole to him because really, hes just afraid of him. Kind like how Zeus was afraid of Kratos and also stabbed and killed him.
Both are completely different things. Zeus was afraid of kratos because of the prophecy. But when the great war evils released and consumed all gods. Only then Zeus fear started to show. In oden's case. It looks like a rush thing. Who is in their right mind kills their strongest weapon. Even if Thor refused to kill kratos. That doesn't mean he completely turned against Odin. By the end game developers must have decided to put all the blame on Odin and gave Thor a tragic death.
Sad that we don't get to see Thor develop more after this, but I gotta say...hearing Thor tell Odin "no" was extremely cathartic for me. At last, a soft yet all too stern word of defiance. He had finally had enough. I love that moment, and I keep watching it.
@WESLEY TAULE na, Zeus was crap before too. He gave Ares the go-ahead to kidnap and torture deimos (a kid, and kratos' brother) for decades, driving him insane, all over a prophecy fulfilled by Kratos That and he cursed Kratos' mom to never reveal his father 's name, basically turning her into a trigger weapon
Yes we all did brother I miss him to I WOULD OF LOVED TO SEE THOR COUNTER ODIN AND FIGHT WITH KRATOS IMAGINE THE GOD OF WAR AND THE GOD OF THUNDER TEAMING UP AGAINST ODIN THATS THE ROUTE I WISHED SANTA MONICA WOULD TAKE but a man can still dream can’t he
It's interesting how Thor saying "don't you know what I've done" breaks a lot of preconceptions about his character. The sadism and love for destroying things was always a facade he told himself to disguise the guilt he felt for the people he hurt. He convinced himself he was a weapon and that was what he was made to do to hide his shame and his wish for death because he feels death is the only way to bring justice to his crimes.
There are many different stories depicted of the Allfather. This one is damn impressive. From the start, he had this Godfather-like vibe to him. In the end… He’s a control freak, a psychopath, a coward… And a monster.
@@viloetmarsh3467 The thing is Thor had a good amount of time to react, We saw how he was dodging Kratos in their first fight with Kratos going easy on Thor, He should've easily been able to dodge Odin as slow as he was moving with that Spear, But it is what it is I suppose he'll most likely come back the next game anyway, Considering how particles left instead of showing his body.
Because he was standing in front of THOR; The very same guy that politely offered him a drink and conversation about being "calm and reasonable"..... but still swiftly fucking uppercutted Kratos' fucking ass through his own fucking roof high into the fucking skies with none other than motherfucking Mjölnir⚒️
What makes this scene so sad is that when Thor stood up to his father their was no hesitation to stab him and as he dies his last thoughts were about his daughter
The thing that really gets me. Odin is not ignorant of how evil he is, he's not blinded by arrogance, he's cunning, intelligent and has massive experience of all walks of life. It's how he's managed to manipulate the Norse realm so thoroughly that it's almost a meat grinder slowly churning everything down to mulch while he sieves through the bottom for whatever nugget pops out. He knows who he is, what his path is and most importantly he _chose_ to walk that path, maybe not gleefully, but completely willingly using whatever extremes he deemed necessary. So killing Thor? That shit happened a loooooooong time ago, before Thor was even a twinkle in his eye.
Thor was right. He fought his life believing he couldn't change, afraid of what Odin would do. He knew his father was a monster, and that no matter what he did, Odin wouldnt let him be more than what he was designated for. In his last moments he was convinced that he could break those chains and be free, only to be proven right, to be shown that he was far beyond freedom. However, even in death, he had autonomy. Odin may have controlled his life, but he could never truly control Thor. Atleast he realized that in the end.
My brother pointed out that Odin killed Thor like how Zeus killed Kratos in God of War 2 both were impaled and Odin says "I did not want this" and Zeus said "It did not have to be this way my son"
Really loved this depiction of Thor, had alot of similarities with Kratos and in the end didn't want to lose anymore of his children due to his actions and rage , wish we could of got to use Mjolnir though!
The fact Thor didnt look Odin in the eye when he got stabbed just shows how much regret and sorrow he felt at the time... Rip Thor, I hope they find a way to bring him back 😭
Thor had it so bad. He was abused by Odin and used as no more than a tool He never received any praise from his father despite his incredible achievements He was put aside like nothing when atreus arrived He made promises he couldn’t keep He argued with her daughter badly while drunk His two kids were killed His brother was killed He wasn’t allowed to kill the man behind their slaughter Once he finally broke free from odin he was killed in cold blood by his own father
That’s the same way Zeus talked to Kratos. Imagine if Kratos was under Zeus control he’d be just like Thor.. if Thor lives He goes on to be a good friend of Kratos
Notice the cinematography. The decision to change the camera angle from behind Kratos to behind Thor once Kratos grounds him. Which, to those of you who don’t understand, dissipates electricity effectively cutting off Thors lightning powers. Ending the fight because in that moment Thor could not defend himself. The perspective to change to behind Thors back was done deliberately. In that moment Kratos relates exactly to everything he’s feeling and saying. And Thor attains total clarity when Kratos tells him that they must grow past their own monstrosity in order to be the best possible fathers to their children. For one moment, Thor begins to seek his own redemption the same way Kratos sought his. This game is nothing shy of a cinematic masterpiece.
What broke my heart the most about this is how little time it took for Odin to kill him. No hesitation whatsoever. If Broks death didn't hammer it home for me enough, Thor's death certainly did.
Thor did commit treason, the king's life is in danger and he's not defending him, he deserved to die.
Hammer it home huh?
See what you did there 😏
But definitely- the way he just does it without any remorse or emotions shows how Odin truly sees knowledge as the only valuable thing in his eyes. Even his offsprings are nothing but means to an end
@@asafakiva1619 it's terrifying when you consider that for years even decades, Thor has killed hundreds of thousands of people under his Odin's orders and has only been met with insults and belittlement no matter how well he does that he views kindness as a threat when Atreus tries reaching out to him, and then the one and only time Thor stands up and denies him and not even in any large capacity just a simple 'no' was all it took for a father to end his own son's life without any hesitation.
He, didn't care if Magni and Modi were killed, he had no problem replacing Baldur the moment Atreus proved useful and had no problem quickly killing Thor in a instance.
Yup. Thors lived for longer than any human, slaughtered in Odins name, but the moment he puts down mjolnir and says he won’t fight (not even fighting against Odin directly) it takes him less than 30 seconds to go from appearing to actually killing his own son. Odin saw Thor as a living weapon, the moment he wasn’t pointed at his enemy’s he’d kill him just to avoid the possibility he’d be aimed at him. He never respected or lived him and he made no effort to hide that. He wanted him strong, stupid and to talk as little as possible so he wouldn’t question him. How Odin uses him isn’t unique to Thor, he’s just more honest about it compared to others who require more subtlety
So Thor is basically Kratos that never stood up against Zeus and his abuse.
Yeah that’s how I thought about it too, a Kratos that was content with being a weapon. That said Odin didn’t pull any mook shit and make Thor kill Sif and his kids whiiiich is a factor for rebellion if I’ve ever seen one
I imagined Thor is what Kratos would become if Lysandra and Calliope were still alive. He'd still be the devoted lapdog of Zeus and Ares despite his wife constantly warning him.
@@CCD2938 Actually it was Ares that pulled the little trick on Kratos and made him kill his own family. Zeus was ok with Kratos killing Ares for revenge (also Ares was becoming a threat to Olympus too). The reason why Kratos killed Zeus and the rest of the Olympians was something completely different and pretty much was caused by Kratos himself.
@@VexenDmitri This +
@Dimitris4110 Zeus was okay with it because he wanted his son Kratos to be the God of War, making said God of War easier to control as Ares was a crazy beast who didn't listen to reason. Ares used to travel to the Egyptian world and terrorize cities there to make Zeus angry (it was also believed Ares was looking for the Norse giants there to build an army to overthrow Olympus) so you can imagine that Zeus wanted Ares off of the throne.
Best part of this whole exchange
“Don’t you know, what I’ve done?”
“YES! But what will you do now?”
Coming from Kratos himself, a guy who’s ran down an entire pantheon and killed his family, he understands influence from a narcissistic father, grief and rage better than anyone. It wouldn’t have hit Thor if it came out of anyone else’s mouth. If Kratos could change for the best, there was hope for Thor too. Wish we could’ve seen more of it
"What is this?! Are you broken?!"
Just goes to show that Odin looked at his own son as nothing more than a toy he could throw at whoever he hated. The lack of hesitation he has when killing Thor is pure psychopathic; Thor's refusal was a direct insult to Odin's obsessive aspect of control, and with that insult, Odin instantly chose death.
Odin may have looked and sounded dumb as all hell lmfao, but he could really flip the switch and turn sadistic in a heartbeat. At least Thor actually did, while buried, have care for his children!
Yup at the beginning Odin called his sons useless ]:
I actually liked the way Odin was portrayed, because this is what he was like in the mythology. He wasn’t an enforcer like Thor, he was manipulative, cunning, and someone of high authority.
Don’t let Marvel blind you, Santa Monica did their research.
@@Howlingburd19 well tbf guy did almost kill himself to become a primordial NSA
That's what made Odin such a great villain. At times, he makes you forget that he's a psychotic tyrant. Hes ridiculously good at manipulating people.
I think that was the point. Every character he's wronged has said that he canturn on the charm. The Atreus section is proof that the Affable nature is life times of psychosis and every action he's engaged in proof the guy has DPD. He legit thinks his family is is not screwed up because of him. Thor is the way he is because Thor is just a screw up. People compare Odin to a mafia boss ala the godfather and I think that was the inspiration here. The Godfather and even other mafia style movies shows how the family is meaningless when it comes to business or personal goals. Family is just a collection of tools that is defended out of spite of others but killed out of spite for one's self.
*Odin stabs Thor to death*
Odin: "Why would Kratos do this?"
lol Eric Andre meme
@@Zzzquil_Lord_v2 bruh eric is hilarious "who shot Hannibal "
The worst part is how there is absolutely no hesitation.
Thor says "No", Odin instantly stabs him.
He didn't care if he was his son or not, the moment he disobeyed him was the moment he had to be put down.
Odin might not have been as powerful or imposing as Zeus, but he was absolutely terrifying if you look at him from this point of view.
He was master and everyone else was his puppet.
Yeah it's called being King
I also feel like Odin feared Thor being his enemy as well. Even Though Odin was smarter and more manipulative, Thor was one of the few that knew enough about Odin’s secrets and weaknesses to take him down if he wanted to. Thor may would’ve even gotten wiser if he was given a chance to follow a path he chooses to and not what someone chooses for him.
@@childishe60 Odin literally casually one-shots him in the video mate; the difference in power between them is such that it doesn't matter if Thor was twice as powerful and twice as smart. He'd still be little more than a salvaged tool to Odin. There is nothing to fear from Thor, the reason Odin continuously insists on him "not thinking" isn't because he's afraid of Thor "wising up" (I mean, we see in the video exactly what happens the moment he does "wise up" LMAO), but rather because Thor is genuinely just stupid lol; and when stupid people try to solve problems they usually just end up causing more of them.
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no And also remember, It took three people ( four if you cont mimir) to take down odin. People seem to underastimate the guy, but if the lack of raw power that odin has is compesated by his cheer knowledge with spells. My man wasn't a bigger threat than zeus, he was on the same level
@@psmgames5861 eh, gow 3 kratos wouldve made short work of odin by himself. But yeah you are still right absolutely
if only they didn't kill thor, kratos will have a drinking buddy for life man
Yea
💀💀💀
Honestly fingers crossed and have hope friend, even zeuss didnt stay conpletly dead in the series and kratos came back twice,
Thor could come back like it was nobodies business
@@xxxzachyd960 uhh no I don't think so
Unlike Greek gods, Norse (Aesir) gods are mortal....
Didn't you get the point that Thor is a recovering alcoholic?
the end caught me off guard, Odin launched that kid and it cut off so quick
Literally sent our homegirl in a yeet-
Same, i was starting to get emotional but then the hammer yeet, her scream, and the abrupt af cut just had me burst out laughing
@@Monochrome2004legit 😂😂😂
There’s a reason why he’s the top god in the 9 realms…
Funny
I am sadden that Thor died. It just felt like he really some what regretted doing all those terrible things and tried to seek a better life just like Kratos.
I feel the same. And I thought the death was stupid. Too easy.
Game felt not the same after brok and Thor died. :(
@@angelgjr1999 freyr was cool too no lie
he would be friends with kratos if odin didnt you know...
Regret doesn’t feel like the right word. He’s sees himself irredeemable. He does bad things and that’s who he is.
Until Kratos, someone who by all accounts is just as destructive as Thor, forces him to realize he can be better.
Odin is fucking evil in this game in so many aspects.
He seems like this down to earth guy who is charming, caring and chill. But this facade drops every now and then. He sees everyone purely as his toys he can use whenever he wants to get what he wants and sees no use for them afterwards. He kills his own son the second he decides to deny his orders and immediately starts trying to manipulate Thrüd in a hurry but upon realizing he doesn't have enough time to do so, he just smacks her with her father's hammer to get her out of his way. I love how seemingly harmless but actually evil he is
Sindri taking him and smashing his ball was what he deserved.
@@daan2090 Let's be honest he deserved far worse than getting his soul trapped and smashed painlessly
@@StormtrooperFN-2199 True.
I also thought he was actually such a chill, charming character. He's very well written, I found myself actually really liking Odin at points but like you said, he's actually just playing a big game with everyone, very evil.
@@aidenralston4328 the earlier parts with Atreus and Odin actually made him feel convincing to an extent, sure you know he’s the big bad guy but he’s compelling. Then as the story goes on you find out just how twisted he is and how deep his deceit runs. People who hate on Odins character don’t understand that even from the Norse mythology he is a God of deceit and manipulation. His character is perfect imo.
2:04 Man, no one would say that to someone else like this. Least of all, your father. Odin cared for no one, just himself.
It’s a really raw line cause it’s EXACTLY how an abusive person talks in real life
I know Odin killing his own son is bad enough but it’s so fucked how he did it with basically no hesitation at all, the second he realised Thor wasn’t going to just blindly act as his weapon anymore he saw no use in him at all.
I mean, Zeus did the same thing to Kratos.
@@enterthekyuubi atleast with zeus he was corrupted by pandora's box and kratos at the time was a real threat
He might be worse than Zeus. Zeus at least have Kratos a final chance to submit. Not to mention Kratos had already shown his utter contempt for Zeus’ rule.
But Odin. The second Thor said no, that was it.
I’d say he was worse than Zeus.
At least Zeus gave Kratos several chances to back down and was infected by Pandora’s box. I’m pretty sure he even let Kratos kill him in the end.
@@loganbaxter4685 Yep-Pandora's Box after it was opened toward the end of the very first God of War game in the original trilogy, released the dozens of powers and secrets that should never have been revealed to the world.
Zeus, unfortunately, was corrupted by the force of Paranoia-which is a devouring illness in that Greek Mythos.
Before that, Zeus actually wasn't a bad person. I can guarantee had he not been infected by the Paranoia in Pandora's Box, he'd have never have killed Kratos in GoW2 with his own blade out of a paranoid fear of him and begin the spiral of Vengeance that led to the Pantheon's destruction.
It's why we see Paranoia leave Zeus as a blackened mist as Kratos is killing him. But Kratos was too driven and blinded to see it.
Odin: They did this!
Also Odin: *Stabs Thor in the chest*
Odin: “This is their Fault”
Also Odin: *Yeets* Thrud with Mjolnir
It's literally that Eric Andre meme where he shoots the guy.
Odin is a pathological liar. He's so used to lying that on some level he believes his own crap.
I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
Afterwards he flips the table and says it's Thrúd's and Sif's fault that Thor died. He's a psychopathic, ego-centered mythomaniac.
The thing that fucks me up the most is Odin immediately jumping into the “I didn’t want this, why did you make me hurt you” act after literally impaling his own son. Peak abusive behavior, that instant switch to an unearned “I hurt you, but now you need to forgive me”
"You don't talk. You don't think. I think. You kill. It's a simple f*cking concept!"
This line stood out to me because Odin tried to remind Thor he can never be anything more than the ruthless, lumbering muscle that enjoyed killing and destroying all this time. As soon as Thor tried to change for the better, Odin couldn't accept that so he killed him. That's what makes this such a great scene. Nearly everyone was capable of letting go and changing, but Odin couldn't. Just like Heimdall. Just like Zeus and most of the Pantheon.
Richard Schiff was really great as Odin!
It was a really good example two of narcissistic abuse. I was recovering from that at the time and that really struck a chord with me.
He does this multiple times to Thor.
"Jeez I liked you better when you were a drunk" while Thor was actively in recovery and all he had to do was walk to the bar to across the way to relapse. It took great restraint to not just walk in and get free alcohol but Odin continuously reminds him he was better as a drunk killing machine
I would have so loved to see Kratos and Thor tag team against Odin.
And then Thor sacrifice himself instead of Freyas brother
@@Beserker69 Not necessarily, Neither had to die but just did it for the "sad moment", I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
Now Imagine that paired with the Doom eternal-the only thing they fear is you, song, and them just bodying odin together to it.
As much as that is an awesome idea, the LAST thing Kratos would want is another son killing his father. Thor may have had a good reason, but he isn't another Bauldr.
Gonna have to agree with the other guy.. Thor should’ve sacrificed himself to destroy Odin instead Freyr.. Fryer’s death felt so unnecessary
The fact that Thor realized his mistakes and teamed up with Kratos only to die by his own Father’s hands seconds later in front of his own Daughter is seriously one of the saddest moments in the entire God of War Franchise. R.I.P. team Kratos & Thor. Odin got what he deserved. 😭💔😡
"Dont you know what ive done!"
Kratos sitting there, having slaughtered an entire pantheon singlehandedly
Well thor basically genocided an entire race ie the jotunar so hes just as bad.
If anyone could break through to Thor, it’s Kratos. He knows how it feels to be irredeemable.
@@bigbry1994 dont forget Ares tricked kratos into cleaning entire cities and thats when he accidentally killed his family
@@rikidutta8378 but Kratos would’ve still happily have destroyed many cities if he didn’t kill his family, he was in the wrong either way
@@rikidutta8378 he tricked Kratos into killing his family, not into destroying cities Kratos agreed to that the moment he summoned him for help
Faye said Thor was the worst of the Aesir. But no. It was Odin. It was always Odin.
its was odin all along
heimdall was the worst in a power sense cus holy shit it could piss on him and he would die
I know Thor had a horrible attitude and done some bad things in the past, but he realized what he had done wrong within those 30 seconds without ever being able to change his ways. Thor didn’t deserve to die.
He was also a product of his father's abuse and constant belittling. Thor was just a puppet and we was about to cut the strings before being stabbed.
I agree, but I don't think he realized everything "in 30 seconds". He had caring family and caring wife. If you listen to his dialoges in Asgard you would hear that he is willing to change but as Kratos he is somewhat stuck with the "i only destroy things" narrative (or in his own words "god of thunder is only good for 2 things: killing giants and pissing mead"). Kratos didn't had that many encounters with people whi believed that there was good in him and it took him A LOT of years to finally realize that his ways are not the ultimate ways and that he can forgive himself. Thor had a caring family, therefore his "transition" from "destroyer" to someone who understands that he ca change was faster.
I mean if we never had all those info on Thor and scenes with him, than yeah it would've looked like a cheap move from the devs. But knowing everything we know about him and Odin that was something like a final realization that enough is enough.
Anyway yeah, it was sad seing him die... I was hoping that he would live after all...
Oh trust me he deserved to die
Uh he murdered giants after giants soooo. No. It is the natural karma of life
@@Pauli-dg2yv I mean... didn't Kratos kill innocent people left and right?. The point was that they have to be better.
This is where the prophecy was subverted. Had Kratos killed Thor, Thor’s wife and daughter would have attempted to take revenge and Odin would have popped in and speared Kratos when he was distracted. Loki would then have donned the mask to see if he could learn how to bring his father back but he would have instead been driven mad (or turned into Jim Carrey)
Jim Carrey. A fate worse than death, depending on how you feel.
I thought Thor was standing over Kratos in the mural?
@@prismaticstetsons6601 maybe he changed it, the norns said there is no grand design its just that everyone's actions are so predictable they don't change so it's easy to predict what will happen, so because of kratos choices in the past the predictable choice would've been kratos killing thor like he did with so many gods, but instead he spares him and changes fate?
Driven mad or turned into Jim Carey - aren’t those the same things?
I think the turning point was when kratos told artreus to open his heart and then went to try and save the people from midgard. This led to sif finding that other kid and convincing thrud not to kill artreus (I imagine kratos would have killed thrud if she continued) with thrud alive Thor has a reason to be better and not to be a destroyer
Makes sense when we realize baldur was 100% right about how messed up his family is.
Lol yeah this could be used as a psychology study for narcissistic and abusive households, really well written characters.
Even godly folks with unlimited powers cannot choose their family members!
yeah i always thought he was talking about freya... this makes alot more sense
@@mrcherryhasgonemadyt9413 he was right on both, about freya and the rest of their family, they were all kinds of messed up thanks to Odin.
I think this scene is a masterclass in how to write a complex villain. And it's best shown when Thrud arrives.
Odin didn't just kill Thor because he refused an order. Odin is a strategist. He will sacrifice his pawns when he knows he has more pieces to play. Before Thrud got there, Odin was in control. He killed Thor without thought or question, because Thor was just a tool to him. Odin just needs someone strong to execute his whims on the realms. And at the end of the day, Thrud is Thor's successor. She's strong, capable, young and much more trusting of Odin. That's why Odin killed Thor, because he thought he could just replace him with Thrud.
But when Thrud arrives, you can hear the panic in Odin's voice. He was banking on Thrud being his new destroyer, but now she's just witnessed him kill her father and has shattered any sense of faith or loyalty she had. He tries to haphazardly gaslight her, shift the blame and twist the narrative, and you can hear him struggling; "This was all their fault." But the damage is done. Odin doesn't have a destroyer to fight his battles for him. He's lost a powerful player in Thrud, and now he's overplayed his hand.
It kinda reminds of that scene in the Lion King where Scar badmouths the Hyenas to save his ass, only to be thrown to those Hyenas, and desperately tries to talk and connive his way out of the situation before being torn apart. It's difficult to do, but it's great when what you think is a villain's greatest strength becomes the seed to their own downfall.
1000%, nice analysis. If Odin had won Ragnarok he would totally have told all of the Aesir that Thor died fighting Kratos and pin a lot of other heinous shit on him too. Always a step ahead, just let his obsession over knowledge get the better of him.
You've just made Odin seem that much more grotesque and horrific than he already was, that he may really have been ready to turn his own granddaughter down the path of her father as an unthinking, abused weapon.
2:38
What fucking cold stare he gives. No hatred, no disgust, or even disappointment. Just... indifference. The second Thor said no Odin was like "Fine" and then proceeds to stab Thor his only regret being that Thor defied him.
As well-written as Thor's arc and character is, part of me wishes he had a redemption arc in the next Loki story. Loki going to find the Giants, with Thor tagging along and confronting the horrors of his past would have made for a wonderful story.
That'd be such a wonderful parallel to Kratos's story as well. Where Atreus would help Thor the same way Kratos helped him and Freya, passing on many of the same lessons.
That would of been awesome and a good nod to Marvel.
How exactly would Thor return? The magic which held Asgard and its people together is gone completely so I don't see how Thor would return.
@@AimForMyHead81 I would have preferred Thor lived. But say they bring him back, they could think of a reason. They brought Kratos back from the dead before. He also destroyed Greece.
Imagine playing as Thor in a side story
Thor didn't... he didn't die the same way Heimdall or Baldur went out. Visually, I mean, he faded into blue light instead of leaving behind a gory corpse. Something tells me that's important.
Good catch
Good catch another thing I would of also loved is if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
Yeah he kinda went out like Athena
He turned selfless in the last moments just like Athena sacrificing herself to save Olympus. Thor went to higher existence. They said Norse saga was done they did not said Thor is done. Just like how Athena makes a cameo
Or like Magni and Modi lol
I love how Odin just yeeted Thrúd away when she got angry. Like "Nah, you're not gonna be a problem, lass"
man, this portrayal of odin is just very scary. he doesn't seem grandiose, he just seems like an absolute lunatic, it feels like such a person could exist.
People like that do exist, and he wouldn't be categorized as a lunatic but rather megalomania and some sort of antisocial personality disorder that makes him lacking in empathy like NPD.
People like that do exist, they're called politicians.
dude i know plenty of parents like this lmfaooo
His obsession with knowledge is almost like a curse. He tells Atreus he can't change and that he has to know what happens next.
@@Thrillkilled same it’s usually the ones that preach unconditional love, you learn pretty quickly that the moment you question them that unconditional love comes with a few conditions
"dont you know what i have done" Thor know the monster he is but Odin blinds his path and make him think he cant change. Until now
RE: Until he meet his equal, Kratos the ghost of sparta, the slayer, a monsters just like him but with the difference that Kratos change, is no more a peon of other gods.
"I did not want this, I did *not* WANT this!"
He's not talking about killing Thor. He's talking about Thor's refusal. He did not want Thor to disobey him. Killing Thor is something he doesn't care about the slightest, Odin only cares about himself
Nah, he’s talking about killing Thor, but only because he didn’t want Thor to stop being useful and this bring about death, I also think he’s still manipulating Thor because of how much of a narcissist Odin is
Who cares he is the king, he is the most important person in Asgard. Thor not obeying him is treason. The punishment is death.
@@androidwerewolf4541 disobedience is not treason, a person like Odin with is control issues would see it as treason but it’s not
@@connor4435 Kratos is attacking Asgard, they are there to kill Odin????? What??? He's is the king, Thor is basically kings guard. Not defending the king isn't treason? Then what is it?
Even if it's not treason, disobeying the king is punishable by death.
@@connor4435 if Odin decided to kill everyone in Asgard he would be justified in doing because he's the King
"what is this? Are you broken?" Idk why but this one line pisses me off and makes me hate Odin so much. The sheer ignorance and carelessness towards his own child. No, not a child, a weapon, a tool, a toy. And if it breaks, trash it and move on to the next (Atreus was probably his new favorite "toy"). It's disgusting and infuriating and he deserved so much worse than what he got. Great villain 😂.
Exactly, even though some people don’t like Odin, I think the portrayal is very good. Odin isn’t supposed to be a big enforcer like Thor or Zeus, he’s supposed to be cunning and manipulative, someone of high authority, which this game captures perfectly.
@@Howlingburd19 agreed. I was honestly expecting Zeus 2.0. maybe with more magic and less lightning but still the same. I'm pleasantly surprised by what we got. And now I'm itching to see what they do with the Egyptian pantheon if they go there.
It seems like your know exactly why the line pisses you off
@@Small_child_punter huh. Self owned. 😂😂.
Thor is a retard, he chose to live under monarchy, these are the consequences.
I've been re-watching this over and over and I cant get enough of it. The way Richard Schiff says: "I didnt want this. I did not want this" is just amazing. At first one would think that its Odin telling Thor that he didnt want to kill him but, the more I listen to it, the more Im convinced that Odin is actually telling Thor: "This is punishment. You should've done what Ive told you to do"
No one else but Kratos could have convinced Thor it was possible to move beyond being a killing machine.
He knows what Kratos did and just thought men like them were hopeless and doomed to a life of destruction. When he saw that Kratos had managed to overcome this, he realized he could too.
Then Odin offed him…
Indeed. Kratos is the only person who could have gotten through to him.
Kratos is telling Thor he is redeemable.
Unfortunately Thor isn't Kratos so he had to go.
@@MrZahsome also because accurate to the mythology thor dies at Ragnarok
@@gabrielacosta9470 but Loki, and others didn't get to die in the game?
@@benginaldclocker2891 well they made loki kratos’s son so he couldn’t really die even if it’s accurate to the mythology not everything in this game is accurate
Says a lot about Odin's power that they needed to triple team him all together to beat him.
Prime kratos beats him mid diff
@@brixaabrixaa3390 This is prime kratos
Lol not even close. Prime Kratos pulled out the head of sun God because he wanted a flashlight. Prime Kratos killed literally an entire pantheon by himself just to get revenge
@@Dimitris4110 Kratos definitely did not do it by himself and the sun god was a pathetic weakling compared to any of the Aesir we've seen fight.
@@rightguy200000 yeah fucking right
They made odin sound like a venture capitalist from Silicon Valley
Epitome of pure evil
He sounded like a nuerologist who had a brain cancer and has an austistic doctor friend/son
@@elysium76 no
@@koonehkun6404 I knew the voice sounded familiar, but I had to look it up to confirm it actually was Glassman (Richard Schiff)
@@elysium76 true
I think the words "I have never seen a man so broken" could also be used to describe Thor here...just a man beyond abused and just used like a tool...there is like shred of a person left and trying to regain control
*The lore behind what happened prior to Kratos arriving in Midgard* is worth a prequel TV series.. it was literally GOT but instead of Sword Fights it was world shattering, super powered gods fighting
Care to share a bit about it?
@@marioss2167 A guy called Mimir comes to the Norse Lands... he tries to get the attention of Odin, the King of The Aesir (The King of the gods of the land) by capturing a giant whale and it works and he is promoted to his advisor..
A guy called Tyr, the God of War, travels to other lands like Egypt and Greece to learn from other gods.. he tries to lead by peace. Tyr, tries to help The Giants before it's too late and is tbh the Ned Stark of the story and is killed by Odin in a fit of paranoia that he was scheming against him.
Cocky and arrogant, Mimir, thinks he can have it all in money, fame and wives until he realizes, Odin, is insane and in a mad scramble for knowledge - he commits genocide - murdering Giants and enslaving kingdoms (basically The Mad King from GOT) Mimir is horrified but it's too late to get out and he is imprisoned on a tree tortured daily for the rest of his life.
Kratos, the guy who murdered like 25 Gods arrives years later - after the bad guys have won.. The Aesir press him - asking what he's doing on their land - and it's the first time Odin realizes he may have made a mistake.. because a GOD KILLER just landed in his garden.
It's nothing short of insanity how Odin still saw himself as a 'good person' after having just put a spear through his own son's heart because he didn't want to be a tool of violence anymore. In the diseased mind of a narcissistic psychopath, it's always someone else's fault even when they are holding the murder weapon in their very hand.
abusers always think there the good guys its how they dillude themselves to do horrible things
The way Odin kills him with zero hesitation, not even a blink, makes me really sad. Thor, his flesh and blood, was just a tool all along.
He didn't want it 😂
@@onyxmiller6954 he said as he plunges the spear into thors chest
He say ispringaaaaa 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I would've loved if Kratos came in quick and grabbed the spear like weapon, And looked at Odin And they both look at each other, Kratos then says *"no."* And hits Odin with a mean hit and then Thor hits him with his hammer afterwards, Then the fight goes on from there.
Yeah he's the king 😂
Basically Odin to Thor;
"It did not have to be this way, my son. This path was of your choosing."
The "are you broken?" question somehow feels even colder than the actual kill to me... We already knew that Odin didn't care for his son, but this really and truly drives it home. Like Thor is just a toy for him, to be used and disposed of the second it's no longer functional...
All of the voice performances in this game are… god-tier :D
Pun intended
It's carzy how quickly Odin killed his son. I know he mostly just used him as a tool, but he didn't hesitate for even a second.
Even worse because you could tell Thor was slowly changing his ways, standing up against Odin, caring about his family and even getting close to Atreus in the short time they spent.
@unwaifu69 Oh no, minor spelling mistake from 9 months ago.
Well because he really doesn't care for anyone other than himself. He is a sh*tty person right from the start.
Zeus: "It did not have to be this way my son. This path... is of your choosing."
Odin: "I didn't want this. I did not want this."
Thor mirrored Kratos in many ways both being violent monsters both regretting past acts both killed by their own father it seems the cycle didn't end after all
Exactly well it ended for Kratos not so much for Thor because of fucking Odin
Vengeance is like an avalanche. Once it gets going and reaches critical mass it's damn near impossible to stop.
Dude , Odin is a child abuser wtf💀
Zeus 2.0
Man the voice actor for Odin is pure brilliance.
if you pay attention your realize that Odin was planning for this. He stabs Thor and he instantly evaporates meaning Odin had a spell ready for this scenario. Thats why Odin is such a a-hole to him because really, hes just afraid of him. Kind like how Zeus was afraid of Kratos and also stabbed and killed him.
Both are completely different things.
Zeus was afraid of kratos because of the prophecy.
But when the great war evils released and consumed all gods. Only then Zeus fear started to show.
In oden's case. It looks like a rush thing. Who is in their right mind kills their strongest weapon. Even if Thor refused to kill kratos. That doesn't mean he completely turned against Odin.
By the end game developers must have decided to put all the blame on Odin and gave Thor a tragic death.
0:02 no one talking about that being young Kratos voice/yell
I thought i was the only one who noticed. I wonder if that was actually him. Nd i wonder if that was on purpose to convey his riding fighting spirit.
Idk it triggers the nostalgia tho
You can see after Kratos gives his speech that he’s ready to fight him again and is surprised to see that Thor actually sees that he can be better
Sad that we don't get to see Thor develop more after this, but I gotta say...hearing Thor tell Odin "no" was extremely cathartic for me.
At last, a soft yet all too stern word of defiance. He had finally had enough. I love that moment, and I keep watching it.
Hard to imagine a worse father than Odin.
Zeus
Laughing from nowhere
"Don't fail like you failed your family"
Mine
@WESLEY TAULE oh no no no... I'm not talking about his relationship with KRATOS... I'm talking about his relationship with his >100 other children
@WESLEY TAULE na, Zeus was crap before too. He gave Ares the go-ahead to kidnap and torture deimos (a kid, and kratos' brother) for decades, driving him insane, all over a prophecy fulfilled by Kratos
That and he cursed Kratos' mom to never reveal his father 's name, basically turning her into a trigger weapon
I hoped Thor would live to be honest
Yes we all did brother I miss him to I WOULD OF LOVED TO SEE THOR COUNTER ODIN AND FIGHT WITH KRATOS IMAGINE THE GOD OF WAR AND THE GOD OF THUNDER TEAMING UP AGAINST ODIN THATS THE ROUTE I WISHED SANTA MONICA WOULD TAKE but a man can still dream can’t he
@@AbyssScythe i was thinking the same thing sad it didnt happen
It's interesting how Thor saying "don't you know what I've done" breaks a lot of preconceptions about his character. The sadism and love for destroying things was always a facade he told himself to disguise the guilt he felt for the people he hurt. He convinced himself he was a weapon and that was what he was made to do to hide his shame and his wish for death because he feels death is the only way to bring justice to his crimes.
I love how they actually had Thor regret killing the giants. He’s a sadistic warrior, but deep down, he’s just a child broken by his father.
He so heartless he smacked his granddaughter 😂
He's the king, bro, he is Asgard
@@androidwerewolf4541 a you think him and shinnok could be cool together since they're both gods but odin dope to
@@onyxmiller6954 they'd try to kill each other.
YEET the child
@@androidwerewolf4541 was
The very last part 😱🤣
YEEEEET
Odin, the all father of gaslighting
Behold, the All-Fucker
Or more accurately, the AllFucker.
I love how he doesn’t stop to think for even a second before he stabs his own son through the heart
There are many different stories depicted of the Allfather.
This one is damn impressive. From the start, he had this Godfather-like vibe to him. In the end… He’s a control freak, a psychopath, a coward… And a monster.
Big man turns to our side and then immediately gets killed! Kratos and Thor could've been best buds!
Bro odin smacked ts outta his grand daughter lol
She survived cuz there’s a post credit scene with her finding Thor’s hammer
1:53 you can see they both slightly nod with each other in agreement... until Odin comes & ruining the moment...
thor was about to change sides that very moment but odin couldnt have that
@@adad87821 2:40
@@viloetmarsh3467 The thing is Thor had a good amount of time to react, We saw how he was dodging Kratos in their first fight with Kratos going easy on Thor, He should've easily been able to dodge Odin as slow as he was moving with that Spear, But it is what it is I suppose he'll most likely come back the next game anyway, Considering how particles left instead of showing his body.
“Are you broken?”
Kratos is still hulked up like he's still ready for a brawl as he says: "Lets not fight anymore"
Because he was standing in front of THOR; The very same guy that politely offered him a drink and conversation about being "calm and reasonable"..... but still swiftly fucking uppercutted Kratos' fucking ass through his own fucking roof high into the fucking skies with none other than motherfucking Mjölnir⚒️
to be fair he was onguard as you say
Watching this again, I noticed that Thor’s death scene is a callback to when Zeus killed Kratos.
I would agree u but zeus was possessed by the spirit of fear and not his full self
@@papawhelp uhh…and?
I was talking about the moment itself.
The same thing Zeus said when he killed Kratos
i mean zeus was being taken over by the dark spirits from Pandora.
@@glennquagmire9900 He was not a good man even before Pandora was opened. Remember he put a curse on Kratos mother
@@avim4896 i mean he made some evil decisions, ofc. never said he was the best, but odin definitely seemed a lot worse.
2:54 mr.stark I don’t feel so good
Odin: *I* THINK! *YOU* KILL! It's a simple fucking concept!
Thor: you are a sad, strange little man. You have my pity.
What makes this scene so sad is that when Thor stood up to his father their was no hesitation to stab him and as he dies his last thoughts were about his daughter
The thing that really gets me. Odin is not ignorant of how evil he is, he's not blinded by arrogance, he's cunning, intelligent and has massive experience of all walks of life. It's how he's managed to manipulate the Norse realm so thoroughly that it's almost a meat grinder slowly churning everything down to mulch while he sieves through the bottom for whatever nugget pops out.
He knows who he is, what his path is and most importantly he _chose_ to walk that path, maybe not gleefully, but completely willingly using whatever extremes he deemed necessary.
So killing Thor? That shit happened a loooooooong time ago, before Thor was even a twinkle in his eye.
Thor: Don't you know what I've done?
Kratos: Don't you know what I've done?
The decision to cast Richard Schiff as Odin was pure genius!
That moment you realize Odin pulled a Zeus from God of War II.
The last thing Thor saw was his last remaining child. 😭
Nahhh ☹️
Kratos standing there while odin kills thor:
😐
It was family drama none of his business😂
Thor was right. He fought his life believing he couldn't change, afraid of what Odin would do. He knew his father was a monster, and that no matter what he did, Odin wouldnt let him be more than what he was designated for.
In his last moments he was convinced that he could break those chains and be free, only to be proven right, to be shown that he was far beyond freedom.
However, even in death, he had autonomy. Odin may have controlled his life, but he could never truly control Thor. Atleast he realized that in the end.
My brother pointed out that Odin killed Thor like how Zeus killed Kratos in God of War 2 both were impaled and Odin says "I did not want this" and Zeus said "It did not have to be this way my son"
Really loved this depiction of Thor, had alot of similarities with Kratos and in the end didn't want to lose anymore of his children due to his actions and rage , wish we could of got to use Mjolnir though!
I’m laughing at how emotional the moment is and GAMECLIPS shows up
Thor's death actually saddens me, specially looking at Thrud while fading away😢
"Every potential pocket of resistance, he seeks to eliminate."
The fact Thor didnt look Odin in the eye when he got stabbed just shows how much regret and sorrow he felt at the time... Rip Thor, I hope they find a way to bring him back 😭
Thor's a legend 👌
I thought it showed how scared he was of Odin that even when dying he couldn’t look his abuser in the eye
@@PeachesandCream225 maybe, or it could have been shame... Maybe even guilt
They won't. It's the final Norse game.
That thousand yard stare is relatable as fuck
There was so much emotion in that single "No" Ryan Hurst was fuckin amazing as Thor.
This is the most emotionally intense moment in the game for me
This was too emotional, but the end had me 😂
i wish thor didn’t die. thor and kratos could’ve became friends tbh
Absolutely I didn’t want him to die either I wished Kratos and Thor teamed up on Odin that would of broken the Internet
2:23
Odin : Go grab your hammer and you go fly and you talk to him
Odin is one sick daddy..
“What will you do now?”
One destroyer to another. Kratos became better.
I didnt want this
"Immediately kills his son on the first sight of refusal"
-Odin, father of the year
That cutoff though😅😂 thrúd just goes flying😂
Thor had it so bad.
He was abused by Odin and used as no more than a tool
He never received any praise from his father despite his incredible achievements
He was put aside like nothing when atreus arrived
He made promises he couldn’t keep
He argued with her daughter badly while drunk
His two kids were killed
His brother was killed
He wasn’t allowed to kill the man behind their slaughter
Once he finally broke free from odin he was killed in cold blood by his own father
Kratos to odin: no
Odin: understandable have a good day.
Thor to odin: no
Odin: and i took that personally.
That’s the same way Zeus talked to Kratos. Imagine if Kratos was under Zeus control he’d be just like Thor.. if Thor lives
He goes on to be a good friend of Kratos
Notice the cinematography. The decision to change the camera angle from behind Kratos to behind Thor once Kratos grounds him. Which, to those of you who don’t understand, dissipates electricity effectively cutting off Thors lightning powers. Ending the fight because in that moment Thor could not defend himself.
The perspective to change to behind Thors back was done deliberately. In that moment Kratos relates exactly to everything he’s feeling and saying. And Thor attains total clarity when Kratos tells him that they must grow past their own monstrosity in order to be the best possible fathers to their children. For one moment, Thor begins to seek his own redemption the same way Kratos sought his.
This game is nothing shy of a cinematic masterpiece.
2:39
Odin: "I pardon you, from lives."
Im not sure who is worse Zeus or Odin.
Zeus i think.
Why not both? They are both child abusers.
come on odin more worse than zeus, zeus is good guy, but pandora made him like that
@@mozes88 Zues got corrupted by Pandora, but Odin has always been like this
@@humblev7604 Well Odin was corrupted by Truth if you think of it that way.
3:06 “We’ll be right back!”
This game was better than I thought it would be.