Emotional and psychological attacks from a parent can traumatize a child for life. Even if that child grows up; that trauma can revert that child back when confronting the abuser.
@@snowimayko659 He did after he had stopped drinking but when he gotten throat cancer back in 2005 & started doing some DUMB shit during his recovery like back to drinking & all of a sudden smoking weed which was mixed with something else, he was back to his old self
the sad scene for me was when atreus collected all part of the mask with the help of thor high of ice mountain odin arrived and thor was excited to hear nice from odin so he reached to him. but odin just casually talking with atreus.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 You probably already know this, but during Odin’s fight, he talks about how everything that he himself did is completely Kratos’s fault, and in a certain part of dialogue, Kratos says that Odin started the fight. Odin replied by saying “this started long before you showed up, you are a plague, God-Killer!” Even though Odin had actually started it by killing Thor
@@quinnfletcher3906that’s most likely true. He’d most likely only ever use those words to manipulate Thor even more. I don’t think he was even capable of feeling pride in someone other than himself being a whole Machiavellian narcissist and all
Kratos wasn’t at all an exemplary dad in the first game. He was cold, distant, harsh, and emotionally stunted but he never ever belittled Atreus or try to make him feel that he was useless or stupid. Thor is so accustomed to this that it’s just normal for him and he doesn’t even talk back.
There were a few times, but Kratos quickly caught himself and tried to redirect his frustration. That was the biggest difference, that and he never hit his son or abused him like Odin to Thor.
@@MechWarrior894 He feels like someone who's recognised how a bunch of toxic masculinity traits (rage, pushing down sentimentality for duty etc) more or less ruined him and everything he cared for and now he's TRYING to be better, teaching his son to be better and treating him better. Ie Agoge training might make great fighters but also those who don't care for life or others that much on top of it's brutal treatment of children, so he raised his son without putting him through it.
I had originally thought that Thor would kill Odin with how hot headed & violent he is, but through this game he just looks tired & doesn't know who to slap.
It's because Odin tells him what to think and who to kill so Thor is just like a robot. Plus it speaks to Heart that bad parents can just manipulate their kids into being whatever they want them to be with just the right amount of abuse
@@tinyrick4969 I mean I wouldn't say if was necessary for all 3. I think thor and kratos could both solo odin. But I feel it was more so 3 people that hated odin the most and all 3 wanted a part in his death
I do like how in the previous game, we were ready to take Thor out, but playing this game, our emotions quickly switched. Santa Monica Studios did an awesome job of making him an ally.
hearing Mimir describing Thor as a murderous asshole and describing Odin like basically Zeus, made us really prepared to face him. But man, they flipped the tables on our expectations turns out Thor is just a lovable big guy and Odin is a manipulative douche.
@@primecoconut4204 I wouldn't say lovable Thor in the end was responsible for killing giants through no part of his irresponsible behavior, I would instead say he's the most pitiful out of all the characters the God of War IP has ever given us, well maybe tied with Hephestos.
@@thegladve I feel had for him. It's very clear the poor guy doesn't get a chance to think for himself ever. Between Odin and Sif it's clear he's used to just following orders. And he hates himself so much it reminds me of Kratos
As someone who suffered from parental abuse it was really damn hard for me to watch many of the Thor scenes. He is clearly depressed and confused, and it's all Odin's fault
Santa Monica portrayed their iterations of Thor and Odin perfectly. Their strained relationship paints that Odin never gave an ounce of love to Thor, and is more a master than an actual father to the God of Thunder. You could easily mistake them their relationship with a soldier blindly following his leader rather than being father and son. It mimics Kratos and Atreus earlier relationship in the first game, sort-of.
Oof Odin is soo evil and he is one of the most insidious kinds of evil. The kind of guy who pretends to be nice and almost makes you believe he has your best interest but relentlessly manipulates and abuses those he loves with guilt and shame and makes sure they feel useless.
Even with how hard Kratos was in the beginning of the last game on Artreus you can tell that throughout the game he was really trying his best to be a good father. Especially with everything he went through from his past life in Greece
Seems to me that Odin also in a way fears thor (notice his reaction when thor speaks from behind him). This may be another reason as to why Odin seeks to make thor feel like he is less. To keep him docile and easier to control.
freya said odin doesnt like surprises. i guess he is kind of a control freak. in the end he repeats that you took his family away from him and turned people against him. i think in some way odin really cares about people. they are disposable tools, yes. and most of the, barely worth his notice. but he also needs to feel in control.
Well maybe Odin was also fearing the Cycle mentioned in the GoW 4. You know, children killing their parents. He is a control freak, so it is very likely that he felt that he could counteract that aspect of destiny, by keeping Thor at a close leash and beating him down until he stops resisting.
@@frankwest5388 Odin says it himself - he cannot see the future for himself. No Valhalla, no Ragnarok, no shit. Thor was supposed to die in glorious fight against the World Serpent. His sons were supposed to survive, Baldur had also some role, Heimdall, etc. It's exactly as Mimir said in the first game - Odin desires knowledge for himself and he will do anything to obtain it. He probably was terrified of the idea that he will just perish and will be forgotten. That's why he also was so bend on making sure that Ragnarok will not start - no Ragnarok means he will live.
You know the sad and funny thing? Atreus does indeed starts to be nice to Thor and wouldn't you know, they start bonding, but Odin, seeing this, reminds Thor that "btw this boy is the one that killed your son, Modi"
I don't think they found out Atreus personally killed Modi. He mentions this in the game, and there were no witnesses around. They just think he helped Kratos kill them, which isn't much better but takes most of the blame away from him
@@the_infinexos Odin sees things that he’s not there to witness with his ravens. It’s pretty clear that all of the Aesir (and Thrud) knows Atreus killed Modi.
That "What could he possibly learn from me?" Was too real. I don't have the game, but that is good writing. You can see the entire story between Odin and Thor in just that answer coming from that monster of man. Like, I can imagine Thor putting might over mind just out of Odin's attitude. He was too dumb to be smart so he decided to focus on strength. Since it was the only thing he was good at, he pushed it even more, while considering both intelligence and empathy to be useless, or be more specific he saw himself too stupid to be smart or kind.
take the hammer and kill those i tell you to kill, thats it you dont have to think, i am the one who thinks and you are the one that destroys, you follow me? thor: yes all-father....
Seeing thor being the mature one out of the aesir gods I'm amazed that he saved artreus from being bullied from heimdall and is also a softie when you don't piss him off lol
Thor despite having a lot of problems cares about family and others I don't think Thor really hates giants but I think he was forced into hating them by Odin
@yeet king61 even so he was like the kid that always wanted to impress hos family but instead his brother baldur got all the credit from his brothers and sisters that thor was made out to be the bad one of the lot so that's why he resorted to killing giants that odin wanted to get rid of but it wasn't enough until kratos stepped into midgard knowing that thor wanted to see what he truly was like but odin insisted baldur to take the mission to seek out and kill kratos after knowing his past and also capturing his son loki ( atreus) due to a prophecy that odin soo wanted to desire on that's when thor wanted to get himself wasted at the asgard tavern to realise how messed up his family is and he knows when and how to start a test up warm up fight to anyone that wants to challenge him and that made him want to see what kratos was really like in a bloodthirsty fight because he killed thors sons magni and modi but never cared too much for baldur just because he's gone odin turned his focus to thor to seek out and destroy kratos and that's when his wife sif said that odins using thor for his fake prophecy that immensely backfired when atreus snapped the mask in half and sucked into oblivion.
@@Themountain6197 Thrud is more mature than Thor who for a fact literally killed giants bay anything for sport. He killed many a giant of his own accord.. He was not mature he was terrorizing the 9 realms like a fucking spoiled brat who’d rather kill n drink than learn to rule..
Loki and Thor are often together in their many adventures in Norse mythology. I love the moment in this game Atreus tricked Thor into doing the Surtr combat challenge to sneak off and do his thing. That is a very Loki-Thor dynamic.
@@ExtremeMan10 bruh. You don’t say that about someone’s dead kids. No matter how true it is. Especially if that person is your son’s own children. Lmao. It perfectly characterized Odin in that moment. Family? Who gives a damn. How useful were they?
@@ExtremeMan10 Did… you actually think I was saying you, specifically, Mattriones, couldn’t say that? Or, maybe, if you use your brain - I know, new territory for you but hear me out - do you think I was referring to Odin saying it to Thor? Yeah, those idiots couldn’t even kill Kratos, the slayer of an entire pantheon in his prime and god-killer. How useless! You might be missing a few brain cells. Be sure to inform your caretaker you’ve been on the computer for too long, sweetheart.
0:52 this is why i believe Atreus really downplayed his strength, as a way to decieve Thor, Odin etc. In this scene he actually pushes AND MOVES Mjolnir away, Atreus was truly the Trickster God
I did this while playing too, I refused to use Spartan Rage when they would goad you in the fights saying things like, "THIS is the God of War?" or "Show me the real you." Just felt right not to give in.
Because thor is Odin's attack dog, and I have a theory why. I feel like Odin stop Thor for going to get revenge on his family and just sent, his children to carry out the order, when Modi failed twice odin order thor to beat him to a bloody pulp. Which would lead Thor to be broken mentally and physically drinking away his problems his anger is frustration, because he has lost so much that all he has is his daughter and wife
Thor isn't Odin's son to him, he is just a means to achieve what Odin wants. Thor knew this and just didn't want to believe it, Odin is just a selfish jerk who only cares about defying his death to the point that he is self destructive and the cause for his own prophecy's end.
@@StinkyPoopyMcFartFace Odin comes across as something like a high-functioning sociopath. He's only barely aware of other people having their own desires or emotions, and he cares even less. Everyone and everything is just a tool for Odin to get what HE wants, and thoughts about how that impacts other people don't even begin to form. He lies as easily as he breathes, and gaslights and manipulates his family into serving his interests. He's probably been shaping Thor into his attack dog from the moment the poor bastard could walk, and any ability to resist or defy Odin has long since been driven out of him.
What struck me as well was that Odin's the worst kind of Villain, the kind who uses twisted logic to show himself as the good guy. At 2:55 where he talks about being nice to Thor doesn't get you anywhere is probably true from Odin's perspective.
I think this is the most badass interpretation of Thor I've ever seen, I love how the actors for games like this give it their all not just with lines but motion capture now. I think without Odin's malignant influence on him he could possibly have been quite a noble god since despite Thor's words he seemed the opposite to proud of his (mis)deeds.
when i started playing with my dad, his first reaction was a shocked “but he’s so small, Kratos would just need to whack him once and that’s it” and mine an excited “yeah, that’s exactly what he wants you to think”. i love this portrayal so much, because as the game goes on you start to understand exactly why Odin is the one who runs things in asgard. even the small things like the surveillance birds and manipulation towards Thor feel exactly like things myth Odin would do.
Man, did I really really love this portrayal of Thor and Odin. Especially Thor. This toxic abusive father-son relationship was both heartbreaking and fascinating to watch. Don’t get me wrong, I love both Kratos and Atreus. But Thor, Heimdall, Odin and the rest of the Aesir where the major highlights for me in this game. I would love a DLC, whole game or something with them. Thei jus so compelling.
i like how this game made thor look vulnerable but at the same time terrifying as you knew what he was capable of. wish we got to see thor at full power though.
@@tylerkeeler4269na he clearly was poisoned by Jormungander coz their 2nd fight is shorter than their first when they were both holding back. 2018 gow even said the axe was imbued with the poison so clearly not a throwaway moment, just like how they foreshadowed tyr being odin, they setup thor being poisoned.
Odin is a great character, but not as Odin, or a Norse God anyways. He looks and talks like a mafia boss or a corrupt but powerful politician. He is very well-spoken and smart, but his portrayal makes me think of an evil wizard from a fantasy story instead of a Viking God. It's alright, it's a different take and it works so, all is well. Thor is absolutely perfect though, best version of Thor I have ever seen, without contest.
@@KroVey Yeah there's a real dialogue problem in this game. I have mentioned before, I feel it's ironic Thor is played by Ryan Hurst, cause the dialogue sounds like it was written by Kurt Sutter, the Sons of Anarchy guy lol. Ryan Hurst and Odin's actor could still churn out a great performance with some slightly more believable dialogue.
@@KroVeygood to know that yknow what they were going for here. After he slew the first giant, he kinda wanted to be more of an intellectual rather than the brutish kind, in the myths he did don more of hermit like magician figure. He wanted knowledge so much he hanged and stabbed himself with gungnir and the noose that IS seen in game. He never was a viking warmongerer, after his youth, unless he has too.
The dynamic between Thor and Odin is what Kratos and Atreus would have become if Kratos remained cold and commanding, and didn't learn to accept his son's true nature.
not true. kratos holds true love for his son, odin uses his children as tools. in his time in Greece, kratos literally goes to hell and back to see his daughter again, only leaving to stop persephone and atlas from ending existence. his coldness is a result of being partly responsible for the death of his previous family, and is terrified of having to do that with atreus again.
The clips only have explained /how/ cruel Odin was. I definitely love how Odin's evil was portrayed here- psychological warfare outshining his tangible, brute power.
that something that did bother me, odin feel soo much out of place compared to other character of the game... like he belong to our world more than this world.
@@beldhan7247 I think its great because it cements him as unique. He's unfamiliar and unsettling, making him feel that much more dangerous, especially since he's got that weak old man look.
"It's the only language he understands, go ahead and be nice to him, see what that gets you." Ohhh, another clever manipulation. Odin knows that being nice to Thor, to show mercy and understanding is the only thing that can break Thor out of his chains because those are all things Odin kept from him as he raised him. Now instead of opening up, he makes up something about having tried.
Society always talks about narcissism. Thor and Odin relationship is the definition of that. Odin can faine love and care. But he cannot feel it. He only responds positively to people who can benefit him. Once that use is over. Odin discards whoever he was dealing with. For example he knows thor responds best to him when he is in doubt or crisis. Thor doesn't have the will to push back so to Odin a man that won't push back is not a threat. So he keeps Thor in a state of constant depression and self doubt because that state benefits Odin. If Odin was to find his grounding. He would eventually outright refuse to do Odin bidding. And what good is a lapdog that doesn't heed commands? So Odin made a decision to kill Thor on the spot. Because Thor getting a back bone. Was just the start of Thor exercising his own will. And only one gods will be served and that was the the all fathers.
Odin lost any capability of loving anyone else beyond himself the day his first wife Fjorgyn died. Yes, he is a narcissist but I think he had some good in him before that fateful death. I guess that made him aware of how everything can end, so he became the heartless manipulative machinator and mass murderer we know. A man who has no family nor friends, only subjects and marionettes. And I guess that's why Odin's brothers (Vili and Ve) do not show up, they didn't want to be his marionettes anymore.
When you realize why he start drinking again because he see how his own father act more like a father to a complete stranger than to his own son Literally peak depression
@@aenarioncourts9516 kratos knew Zeus had no favorites, I doubt Odin was any better. Freya mentions when baldur was younger he tried to get his dads attention with little success. I’m doubtful he was any better by the time he got cursed.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 The thing that made Odin and Zeus different is in a way we can understand Odin a bit better. An asshole odin might be he also shows a little characteristics of the infallibility of humans. I think zeus has no favorites since he isnt someone who really want kids since he just wants to fuck people when he wants and needs to. Odin might have a favorite clearly He is fascinated or interested in people who have thirst for knowledge. and that is why he places respect for Atreus even a little.
I really liked how they (Santa monica studios) just took one norse mythology and just totally ran with it with regards to Thor and Odin relationship.... I really give props to them (developers) in sticking with the end results (it doesnt matter about the position of the characters change in the storyline) but the end goal is still the same.. even atreus and Odin feels liked a father and son relationship in this game even though we dont acknowledge it..
In the original mythology depending on which version Loki was the bloodbrother of Odin. The whole dynamic they made really breathes a fresh dose of life into the poetic edda. I can’t argue with the end results and I do like to think old Snorri who wrote about the old sagas would be shedding a tear over this interpretation.
@@the_infinexos That, and also because gods can take a ton of punishment. What would incapacitate or even kill a regular human can simply be shrugged off.
@@MCSPARTAN501 That wound isn't healing because the axe was imbued by Eitr by the world serpent in the game before this, which in norse mythology is the same poison that kills him when fighting Jormugandr. It is directly harmful to him and thus won't heal properly. Not sure why I'm correcting you, your take was insanely generic, but not at the level at which you responeded to. Ugh, why am I even in the comments..
The way every god was casted and portrayed was once again right on the money. Odin being a conniving, slimy banker type, Thor the broken weapon of his all powerful father, Heimdall was my personal favorite - I love that his powers of foresight made him into a completely insufferable ego head - cuz he was literally untouchable in a fight, he reminded me of Floyd mayweather 😂 - could go on but this game is GOTY and it’s not even close.
I honestly need a DLC to see the Aesir Vanir war, Giant-God relations, and Thor doing what he did. It honestly still kinda boggles my mind how Thor is half giant & still became a Giant-killer. It’s even more ironic when you remember Magni, Thor’s beloved warrior son, was even more Giant than he was, because Magni’s mom/Thor’s first love was a giant herself.
I don't think he would fit. Going by an irl personality description, he Is exactly the robot that Odin wanted to turn Thor into, he would be like a social outcast, the perfect description of a Sociopath benefitting from other people's Gain, a machine Who only knows the meaning of survival, had he not been cursed or sent by Odin to kill the last Giant, he still wouldn't like Atreus and Kratos Shanigans and would likely betray the family Just to kill them, as he probably finds values like love, peace and respect boring. Baldur was seriously a real Brawler, he turned brawling into a passion fr.
Well probably he was calmed and acted differente when Odin was present. And Baldur was powerful but not that much to make Odin uncomfortable... Or maybe it's just that Baldur was more assertive than Thor...
@@net945-x5g baldur was still useful to odin and baldur shared the same madness like odin, because under working under him for so long he eventually came under the influence of the all father, but honestly baldur didnt fear odin, but respected him. Baldur doesnt fear death, he wanted to feel something, that should give us a hint about his persoanlity, he probably had more authority than thor. Baldur was useful, because he didnt hesitate to do the dirty work, he became odins fist, his wrath, an unstoppable, unkillable opponent you couldnt beat
Seen men like Thor. Constantly belittled and diminished by their dads and even when they grew into big strong adults, they didn't fight back and just took it. It's like they were still kids whenever confronted with the abusive father.
It definitely wouldn't make sense in this game, but I would've loved to see these characters in a scene with Baldur. I wonder how he fits in with them, because you can totally see that they're part of the same crowd.
I’d like to see when all the archers in Asgard fired upon him to see how many arrows he could take. Even he had a good time, laughing. And of course probably the only one who could beat Thor in drinking contests.
It's sad to imagine Thor as a kid, just wanting his father to love him, to at least care. You can tell he still feels so small, even though he's bigger than almost everyone.
This game is amazing, but it's truly amazing in one way I never expected. It presents its characters with very tangible, realistic, and complex emotions. Thor in particular this game was so realistic that it made me step back. He is horribly depressed, and the only time he feels any sense of joy at all is when he's brawling. He is struggling to deal with the emotions he has from loss of his sons; and he escapes from those emotions by drinking. The post bar brawl scene with Thrud really got to me. She's dealing with the reality of her family being broken, and the reality of having an alcoholic parent who is and was abused by their parent. Thor loves his wife and daughter, but his depression and his coping mechanisms prevent him from being the best dad he can be.
And also while his sons are dead, he can't kill Kratos because Odin needs Atreus' trust. So all he can do for his kids is to just throw Kratos a couple of times, and call the blood dept paid. This is sad
@@gerhardwasowski Agree, but his anger is (partially) misplaced. Even his wife Sif blames Odin for what happened to Magni and Modi. Odin basically gave them a task he knew they wouldn't be able to complete; and they ended up paying the price for it. Thor as a father is valid in being angry at Kratos and Atreus, but his lack of anger toward his own father Odin is where he falls short.
One thing that I found extremely ironic is that, after hearing all about the horrible acts of violence and tyranny these two caused from the stories in the first game, when Thor and Odin are first introduced in the start of this game there is a brief moment where we think to ourselves that maybe everything we heard about them was exaggerated or misconstrued (or maybe even completely false) and perhaps they're not as bad as we were led to believe. And as it turns out we WERE right, but not about Odin (who we thought might actually be the best of the Aesir), Thor (the one who we were led to believe was a merciless killer like former Kratos but worse) actually turned out to be super relatable and just as tragic as Kratos where-as Odin turned out to be the most evil villain in the whole GOW series
I like how Odin is grandiose "Mwahaha" evil and more will manipulate everyone around him Evil, he is kinda like Palpatine from Star Wars lol although I suppose Palps is also "Mwahaha" evil
I think they are just creating parallels between Kratos and Odin. Both have lost the love of their lifes (Kratos, twice), both have sons who are half giant and both are hard on their respective sons because they are emotionally stunted by loss.
The diffefence between Kratos and Thor (apart from Kratos is the protagonist of course) is their rebellious spirit. Kratos fights against his fate. Thor doesn't.
well thor was starting to go against his father, little did he know odin doesnt play games and killed him right on spot, because he knew that thor would start rival against him in some time, once he started to talk back it was all over
People in the comment section are giving a lot of undue sympathy to Thor as an abuse victim. Not realising that it is a cautionary tale. And that being a victim is no excuse whatsoever.
Indeed he himself admitted that he did horrible things and didn’t deny it. Because their was no point in doing so, admittedly they did this perfectly in my opinion.
Odin rn is like your average internship boss in your first days, all encouraging and PR smiles that make him seem like your surrogate father... Until he revealed himself as any cutthroat executive of the Capitalist World.
Thor is a recovering alchoholic and instead of supporting him in this Odin says "you're no fun anymore" while encouraging him to drink. I think Odin liked when Thor was drunk, made him even easier to control.
@@corneliusfarrell8673 This voice is perfect, it makes him sound as a calm, innocent old man, which is exactly the facade he likes to have, Thrud, his granddaughter can't believe that Odin is evil. Same as Heimdall, they both believe Odin's lies and fake persona, that's why they blindly obey him.
I think Santa Monica got it wrong by giving Thor short scenes. Even if is a tragic character he's still a epic god who could gave us great moments and scenes. Like baldur (I mean in Ragnarok)
Watching the trailers I expected Thor to be formidable, strong and strong-willex villain. But in reality he was the most pathetic of all. Never stood up for himself. Never stood up for his family unless berated by Odin or yelled at by Sif. Cautionary tale if there was ever one.
In hindsight, Odin's first meeting with Kratos might've been his cruelest moment of all to Thor. He calls his dead sons useless, and mocks his attempts at sobriety as Thor being "no fun anymore" pretty much the worst dad on the planet.
I saw some comments of people being surprised by his speed and stealth, people forget, even in real life the more physically strong, the more powerful and fast you are, they are usually equal. Thor has shown to be above hades (he states thor hit him stronger than anything ever has, and in lore hades is the strongest god to actually land a hit on him, if I recall Zues never did) so of course he would have speed on that level. Even Helios has infinite speed, as he could light the underworld (infinite) and universe (infinite) instantly. And even Kratos could dodge and block that.
1. Zeus definitely hit Kratos multiple times in their fights. In the first QTE on the 2d section Kratos and Zeus smack each other and send each other flying. 2. Kratos never stated that Thor hit harder than any of his prior opponents, rather that his blows were AS HARD. 3. Being physically stronger doesn't necessarily mean you'll be faster, especially if it's achieved through weight being gained in which case that can be a detriment to your speed.
The amount of work that went into making every character's personality convincing enough to make us believe they'd actually do the things we see them do...
I imagine Thor was like a crazy muscled up dude back in his giant killing days, the severe mental issues hunt him as he get older. His father doesnt really care for him and has one single mind track in finding the truth. its kinda sad character.
Does anyone think Thor's mother died while giving birth to him, and Odin blames Thor for her death which is why he is such an asshole to him and treats him like shit? Giving Odin the worst father of the year award would greatly insult the prize.
I've always loved the Kratos/Thor parallels. Abusive fathers, violent pasts, feared by all, loved by few and often unable to see when it comes. Each using their strength to intimidate others and validate themselves. The only difference is Zeus didn't break Kratos, but Odin broke Thor. Zeus was a bully and a narcissist, Odin is a true blue sociopath and manipulator. Put simply, I think you can argue Zeus felt some degree of loyalty toward the other gods and to Olympus, even if none of it mattered more than himself. But Odin, its hard to imagine he genuinely cared about anybody, or if he was even capable. Fascinating, fascinating character writing
when he screams "you turned my family against me!" during his boss fight, it mad me think of Anakin. lol. "you turned her against me!" ",,,you have done that yourself!"
In my opinion, Odin as a character in this game is one of the most interesting I’ve ever seen he’s evil but at face value he’s a great dude but once and while you see behind his facade Brilliant !
Odin calling Thor down reminds me of the 2003 Texas chainsaw massacre movie when the father screamed for leather face, while he was in the basement to get up there and handle killing somebody.
Emotional and psychological attacks from a parent can traumatize a child for life. Even if that child grows up; that trauma can revert that child back when confronting the abuser.
Yep. My late Pops was good at it until the tables were turned on him
@@CraigSmithII did he managed to experience a better life despite that?
@@snowimayko659
He did after he had stopped drinking but when he gotten throat cancer back in 2005 & started doing some DUMB shit during his recovery like back to drinking & all of a sudden smoking weed which was mixed with something else, he was back to his old self
@@CraigSmithII Mine, too.
That's a very sad truth. 😕
Thor is a broken child who wanted to hear just once a sincere "You did great son, I'm proud of you!" from Odin but tragically never gets it.
Odin: Are you broken?
Us: Yep, and you did it eons ago.
Even if he got it, it would never be REAL, Odin would say that but he would not mean it.
the sad scene for me was when atreus collected all part of the mask with the help of thor high of ice mountain odin arrived and thor was excited to hear nice from odin so he reached to him. but odin just casually talking with atreus.
@@LegendaryDarkKnight602 You probably already know this, but during Odin’s fight, he talks about how everything that he himself did is completely Kratos’s fault, and in a certain part of dialogue, Kratos says that Odin started the fight. Odin replied by saying “this started long before you showed up, you are a plague, God-Killer!” Even though Odin had actually started it by killing Thor
@@quinnfletcher3906that’s most likely true. He’d most likely only ever use those words to manipulate Thor even more. I don’t think he was even capable of feeling pride in someone other than himself being a whole Machiavellian narcissist and all
“Go ahead and try to be nice to him, see where that gets you.”
He just did, and Thor kinda appreciated it.
Kratos wasn’t at all an exemplary dad in the first game. He was cold, distant, harsh, and emotionally stunted but he never ever belittled Atreus or try to make him feel that he was useless or stupid.
Thor is so accustomed to this that it’s just normal for him and he doesn’t even talk back.
There were a few times, but Kratos quickly caught himself and tried to redirect his frustration. That was the biggest difference, that and he never hit his son or abused him like Odin to Thor.
@@MechWarrior894 He feels like someone who's recognised how a bunch of toxic masculinity traits (rage, pushing down sentimentality for duty etc) more or less ruined him and everything he cared for and now he's TRYING to be better, teaching his son to be better and treating him better. Ie Agoge training might make great fighters but also those who don't care for life or others that much on top of it's brutal treatment of children, so he raised his son without putting him through it.
@@abigailcollins8443 he raised his son without the Agoge because his son is not a Spartan
WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!! NOW IT'S GUARD IS UP!!!
ONLY FIRE... Only fire when I tell you to fire.
To be fair Kratos' dad was a literal deadbeat.
I'm surprised Thor, of all people, is one of the stealthiest characters in the game.
Stealth 100
Despite that massive beer belly lol
I mean he is a God and also likely a very fast runner
He is Batman
And the fastest. I still chuckle seeing him fly away!
I had originally thought that Thor would kill Odin with how hot headed & violent he is, but through this game he just looks tired & doesn't know who to slap.
It's because Odin tells him what to think and who to kill so Thor is just like a robot. Plus it speaks to Heart that bad parents can just manipulate their kids into being whatever they want them to be with just the right amount of abuse
@@shadow-gr4iw nice sentence of psychology.
I mean it took kratos freya atreus to take on the Odin i don't think thor could kill odin even if he wanted to
I think Kratos could solo odin if he got angry enough
@@tinyrick4969 I mean I wouldn't say if was necessary for all 3. I think thor and kratos could both solo odin. But I feel it was more so 3 people that hated odin the most and all 3 wanted a part in his death
I do like how in the previous game, we were ready to take Thor out, but playing this game, our emotions quickly switched. Santa Monica Studios did an awesome job of making him an ally.
i loved thor in this game
hearing Mimir describing Thor as a murderous asshole and describing Odin like basically Zeus, made us really prepared to face him. But man, they flipped the tables on our expectations turns out Thor is just a lovable big guy and Odin is a manipulative douche.
@@primecoconut4204 I wouldn't say lovable Thor in the end was responsible for killing giants through no part of his irresponsible behavior, I would instead say he's the most pitiful out of all the characters the God of War IP has ever given us, well maybe tied with Hephestos.
@@thegladve I feel had for him. It's very clear the poor guy doesn't get a chance to think for himself ever. Between Odin and Sif it's clear he's used to just following orders.
And he hates himself so much it reminds me of Kratos
Santa Monica bitched out big time. It's like death doesn't matter or have weight in this game.
As someone who suffered from parental abuse it was really damn hard for me to watch many of the Thor scenes. He is clearly depressed and confused, and it's all Odin's fault
Same.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but you are right, thor wasn't really a bad guy, just trying to impress his dad
As someone who doesn’t care cry about it
@@Athenasblaze 💀
@@Athenasblazeyou don’t need to be an asshole about it, not everyone has a stable childhood
Santa Monica portrayed their iterations of Thor and Odin perfectly. Their strained relationship paints that Odin never gave an ounce of love to Thor, and is more a master than an actual father to the God of Thunder. You could easily mistake them their relationship with a soldier blindly following his leader rather than being father and son. It mimics Kratos and Atreus earlier relationship in the first game, sort-of.
Yeah since they twisted Baldur so much it makes sense that they twist Odin and Thor like this as well
@@noamias4897 twisted? You do know this is more accurate to mythology right?
@@Mikerille I would say that Thor as described in the eddas is more similar to Marvel than this, for example
@@Mikerille it really is not.
@@Mikerille for baldur not really. They really changed the whole deal about Baldur
Oof Odin is soo evil and he is one of the most insidious kinds of evil. The kind of guy who pretends to be nice and almost makes you believe he has your best interest but relentlessly manipulates and abuses those he loves with guilt and shame and makes sure they feel useless.
This interpretation of Odin reminds me of my ex-roommate. No. Seriously.
@@TheSignOfZeta Oof I am sorry dude that's awful
@@TheSignOfZeta I, too, had an ex roommate just like that. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
"those he loves" I think you meant "those who love him". Odin hasn’t loved anyone in decades, possibly centuries.
@@oktusprime3637 millennia, or ever. He’s a sociopath, only looking out for himself
Everyone. "Kratos is so hard on Atreus. What can't he be nicer?" Two minutes with Odin. "Someone please hug Thor. He has the worst dad ever."
Even with how hard Kratos was in the beginning of the last game on Artreus you can tell that throughout the game he was really trying his best to be a good father. Especially with everything he went through from his past life in Greece
Seems to me that Odin also in a way fears thor (notice his reaction when thor speaks from behind him). This may be another reason as to why Odin seeks to make thor feel like he is less. To keep him docile and easier to control.
Thor replaced Fenrir from the mythology for the most part. Fenrir got treated like shit up until he turned on Odin.
freya said odin doesnt like surprises.
i guess he is kind of a control freak.
in the end he repeats that you took his family away from him and turned people against him. i think in some way odin really cares about people. they are disposable tools, yes. and most of the, barely worth his notice. but he also needs to feel in control.
@@lastone032085 Fenrir didn't betray Odin, it was Odin who betrayed him.
Well maybe Odin was also fearing the Cycle mentioned in the GoW 4.
You know, children killing their parents.
He is a control freak, so it is very likely that he felt that he could counteract that aspect of destiny, by keeping Thor at a close leash and beating him down until he stops resisting.
@@frankwest5388 Odin says it himself - he cannot see the future for himself. No Valhalla, no Ragnarok, no shit. Thor was supposed to die in glorious fight against the World Serpent. His sons were supposed to survive, Baldur had also some role, Heimdall, etc.
It's exactly as Mimir said in the first game - Odin desires knowledge for himself and he will do anything to obtain it.
He probably was terrified of the idea that he will just perish and will be forgotten.
That's why he also was so bend on making sure that Ragnarok will not start - no Ragnarok means he will live.
You know the sad and funny thing? Atreus does indeed starts to be nice to Thor and wouldn't you know, they start bonding, but Odin, seeing this, reminds Thor that "btw this boy is the one that killed your son, Modi"
Odin is the kind that really gets on one's nerves.
Amazing writing!
"There are consequences to killing a god"
I don't think they found out Atreus personally killed Modi. He mentions this in the game, and there were no witnesses around. They just think he helped Kratos kill them, which isn't much better but takes most of the blame away from him
@@the_infinexos Odin sees things that he’s not there to witness with his ravens. It’s pretty clear that all of the Aesir (and Thrud) knows Atreus killed Modi.
"Is the only lenguage i care to teach him. I wont change it so he better get use to it"
-Odin's real toughts
Textbook abusive parent logic.
Damn that honestly sounds exactly like something odin would say to himself in can even read it in his voice and it matches perfect.
That "What could he possibly learn from me?" Was too real. I don't have the game, but that is good writing. You can see the entire story between Odin and Thor in just that answer coming from that monster of man. Like, I can imagine Thor putting might over mind just out of Odin's attitude. He was too dumb to be smart so he decided to focus on strength. Since it was the only thing he was good at, he pushed it even more, while considering both intelligence and empathy to be useless, or be more specific he saw himself too stupid to be smart or kind.
when you are constantly told not to think, you in a time stop thinking and follow orders.
take the hammer and kill those i tell you to kill, thats it you dont have to think, i am the one who thinks and you are the one that destroys, you follow me?
thor: yes all-father....
Thor doesn't even seem to be dumb, just told he's dumb
@@percyvile he really isn't, he was just molded into this role, he can't see himself outside it, that's abuse.
@@visionofsolace8961Damn this hurts my soul😢
Seeing thor being the mature one out of the aesir gods I'm amazed that he saved artreus from being bullied from heimdall and is also a softie when you don't piss him off lol
Thor despite having a lot of problems cares about family and others I don't think Thor really hates giants but I think he was forced into hating them by Odin
@yeet king61 even so he was like the kid that always wanted to impress hos family but instead his brother baldur got all the credit from his brothers and sisters that thor was made out to be the bad one of the lot so that's why he resorted to killing giants that odin wanted to get rid of but it wasn't enough until kratos stepped into midgard knowing that thor wanted to see what he truly was like but odin insisted baldur to take the mission to seek out and kill kratos after knowing his past and also capturing his son loki ( atreus) due to a prophecy that odin soo wanted to desire on that's when thor wanted to get himself wasted at the asgard tavern to realise how messed up his family is and he knows when and how to start a test up warm up fight to anyone that wants to challenge him and that made him want to see what kratos was really like in a bloodthirsty fight because he killed thors sons magni and modi but never cared too much for baldur just because he's gone odin turned his focus to thor to seek out and destroy kratos and that's when his wife sif said that odins using thor for his fake prophecy that immensely backfired when atreus snapped the mask in half and sucked into oblivion.
@@Themountain6197 Thrud is more mature than Thor who for a fact literally killed giants bay anything for sport. He killed many a giant of his own accord.. He was not mature he was terrorizing the 9 realms like a fucking spoiled brat who’d rather kill n drink than learn to rule..
Loki and Thor are often together in their many adventures in Norse mythology. I love the moment in this game Atreus tricked Thor into doing the Surtr combat challenge to sneak off and do his thing. That is a very Loki-Thor dynamic.
@@nickson_2024 How tf do you make a post that long and refuse to use a period until the very end?
"You have a debt"
"You're no fun anymore"
Odin
I was slightly stunned when I saw that moment, you can the ashamed look in Thor's face. I kinda felt bad for him.
Odin said Thor's sons were useless which kinda slaps to Thor's face...
@@ares123olive They kinda were? They messed up everything.
@@ExtremeMan10 bruh. You don’t say that about someone’s dead kids. No matter how true it is. Especially if that person is your son’s own children. Lmao.
It perfectly characterized Odin in that moment. Family? Who gives a damn. How useful were they?
@@ExtremeMan10 Did… you actually think I was saying you, specifically, Mattriones, couldn’t say that? Or, maybe, if you use your brain - I know, new territory for you but hear me out - do you think I was referring to Odin saying it to Thor?
Yeah, those idiots couldn’t even kill Kratos, the slayer of an entire pantheon in his prime and god-killer. How useless!
You might be missing a few brain cells. Be sure to inform your caretaker you’ve been on the computer for too long, sweetheart.
The writing and acting in this game is top notch. Thor is so bloody damaged :(
And not just that whack from Leviathan
@@K-11609 that whack from the Leviathan is probably nothing compared to all the psychological damage he has
0:52 this is why i believe Atreus really downplayed his strength, as a way to decieve Thor, Odin etc. In this scene he actually pushes AND MOVES Mjolnir away, Atreus was truly the Trickster God
I did this while playing too, I refused to use Spartan Rage when they would goad you in the fights saying things like, "THIS is the God of War?" or "Show me the real you." Just felt right not to give in.
Odin pretty much treats Thor more like his personal attack dog moreso than his own son.
Because thor is Odin's attack dog, and I have a theory why. I feel like Odin stop Thor for going to get revenge on his family and just sent, his children to carry out the order, when Modi failed twice odin order thor to beat him to a bloody pulp. Which would lead Thor to be broken mentally and physically drinking away his problems his anger is frustration, because he has lost so much that all he has is his daughter and wife
Thor isn't Odin's son to him, he is just a means to achieve what Odin wants. Thor knew this and just didn't want to believe it, Odin is just a selfish jerk who only cares about defying his death to the point that he is self destructive and the cause for his own prophecy's end.
very true
@@StinkyPoopyMcFartFace Odin comes across as something like a high-functioning sociopath. He's only barely aware of other people having their own desires or emotions, and he cares even less. Everyone and everything is just a tool for Odin to get what HE wants, and thoughts about how that impacts other people don't even begin to form. He lies as easily as he breathes, and gaslights and manipulates his family into serving his interests. He's probably been shaping Thor into his attack dog from the moment the poor bastard could walk, and any ability to resist or defy Odin has long since been driven out of him.
What struck me as well was that Odin's the worst kind of Villain, the kind who uses twisted logic to show himself as the good guy.
At 2:55 where he talks about being nice to Thor doesn't get you anywhere is probably true from Odin's perspective.
I think this is the most badass interpretation of Thor I've ever seen, I love how the actors for games like this give it their all not just with lines but motion capture now. I think without Odin's malignant influence on him he could possibly have been quite a noble god since despite Thor's words he seemed the opposite to proud of his (mis)deeds.
It would have been nice to see a redemption arc in which he gets better. Becomes a better Thor…
Ryan Hurst being cast as Thor is perfect in every way
Holy shit, Odin in this game is like the living personification of 'weasel words'.
I like how they made him , Odin and thor got charisma kudos to santa monica
when i started playing with my dad, his first reaction was a shocked “but he’s so small, Kratos would just need to whack him once and that’s it” and mine an excited “yeah, that’s exactly what he wants you to think”.
i love this portrayal so much, because as the game goes on you start to understand exactly why Odin is the one who runs things in asgard. even the small things like the surveillance birds and manipulation towards Thor feel exactly like things myth Odin would do.
Man, did I really really love this portrayal of Thor and Odin. Especially Thor. This toxic abusive father-son relationship was both heartbreaking and fascinating to watch. Don’t get me wrong, I love both Kratos and Atreus. But Thor, Heimdall, Odin and the rest of the Aesir where the major highlights for me in this game. I would love a DLC, whole game or something with them. Thei jus so compelling.
i like how this game made thor look vulnerable but at the same time terrifying as you knew what he was capable of. wish we got to see thor at full power though.
It’s by far the best Thor design I’ve ever seen. An absolute grizzly bear of a man.
I love how the writers made him an complex human character and not a simple evil for evil's sake character
we did see full power thor. his second fight with kratos. kratos is just more powerful.
@@tylerkeeler4269na he clearly was poisoned by Jormungander coz their 2nd fight is shorter than their first when they were both holding back. 2018 gow even said the axe was imbued with the poison so clearly not a throwaway moment, just like how they foreshadowed tyr being odin, they setup thor being poisoned.
He treated his kid like a tool. No wonder they got daddy issues
i love how comedic Odin is
we already had a super serious Zeus. this take was fun
Odin is a great character, but not as Odin, or a Norse God anyways. He looks and talks like a mafia boss or a corrupt but powerful politician. He is very well-spoken and smart, but his portrayal makes me think of an evil wizard from a fantasy story instead of a Viking God. It's alright, it's a different take and it works so, all is well. Thor is absolutely perfect though, best version of Thor I have ever seen, without contest.
@@KroVey Yeah there's a real dialogue problem in this game. I have mentioned before, I feel it's ironic Thor is played by Ryan Hurst, cause the dialogue sounds like it was written by Kurt Sutter, the Sons of Anarchy guy lol. Ryan Hurst and Odin's actor could still churn out a great performance with some slightly more believable dialogue.
@@KroVeygood to know that yknow what they were going for here. After he slew the first giant, he kinda wanted to be more of an intellectual rather than the brutish kind, in the myths he did don more of hermit like magician figure. He wanted knowledge so much he hanged and stabbed himself with gungnir and the noose that IS seen in game. He never was a viking warmongerer, after his youth, unless he has too.
The dynamic between Thor and Odin is what Kratos and Atreus would have become if Kratos remained cold and commanding, and didn't learn to accept his son's true nature.
nope, i doubt that kraots would use atreos as a weapon, it was all to protect him
not true. kratos holds true love for his son, odin uses his children as tools. in his time in Greece, kratos literally goes to hell and back to see his daughter again, only leaving to stop persephone and atlas from ending existence. his coldness is a result of being partly responsible for the death of his previous family, and is terrified of having to do that with atreus again.
The clips only have explained /how/ cruel Odin was. I definitely love how Odin's evil was portrayed here- psychological warfare outshining his tangible, brute power.
Considering that he isn’t even that physically impressive. Unlike many of the warriors.
You know they made Odin sound like a used car salesman.
that something that did bother me, odin feel soo much out of place compared to other character of the game... like he belong to our world more than this world.
Shady tell halves truths and whole lies sounds right
@@beldhan7247 I think its great because it cements him as unique. He's unfamiliar and unsettling, making him feel that much more dangerous, especially since he's got that weak old man look.
and his used car is thor :(
"It's the only language he understands, go ahead and be nice to him, see what that gets you."
Ohhh, another clever manipulation. Odin knows that being nice to Thor, to show mercy and understanding is the only thing that can break Thor out of his chains because those are all things Odin kept from him as he raised him. Now instead of opening up, he makes up something about having tried.
Society always talks about narcissism. Thor and Odin relationship is the definition of that. Odin can faine love and care. But he cannot feel it. He only responds positively to people who can benefit him. Once that use is over. Odin discards whoever he was dealing with. For example he knows thor responds best to him when he is in doubt or crisis. Thor doesn't have the will to push back so to Odin a man that won't push back is not a threat. So he keeps Thor in a state of constant depression and self doubt because that state benefits Odin. If Odin was to find his grounding. He would eventually outright refuse to do Odin bidding. And what good is a lapdog that doesn't heed commands? So Odin made a decision to kill Thor on the spot. Because Thor getting a back bone. Was just the start of Thor exercising his own will. And only one gods will be served and that was the the all fathers.
Odin lost any capability of loving anyone else beyond himself the day his first wife Fjorgyn died. Yes, he is a narcissist but I think he had some good in him before that fateful death. I guess that made him aware of how everything can end, so he became the heartless manipulative machinator and mass murderer we know. A man who has no family nor friends, only subjects and marionettes. And I guess that's why Odin's brothers (Vili and Ve) do not show up, they didn't want to be his marionettes anymore.
In many ways, Odin reminds me of Palpatine, a businessman, and a shady/sketchy con-man all in one.
If Odin is Palpatine, Thor is clearly Darth Vader.
All of those things are the same hhehe
@@jorgebersabe293Damn straight
When you realize why he start drinking again because he see how his own father act more like a father to a complete stranger than to his own son
Literally peak depression
becasue atreos was more useful to him at this moment, odin does only care about value
That and Heimdall biting the dust, bet Odin took it out on him for that too.
Odin is like what if Zeus didn’t need the curse to be a complete irredeemable asshole
He is just naturally an asshole to his Kids, i wonder if he treats Baldur this way as well. Or he is his favorite Son.
@@aenarioncourts9516 kratos knew Zeus had no favorites, I doubt Odin was any better. Freya mentions when baldur was younger he tried to get his dads attention with little success. I’m doubtful he was any better by the time he got cursed.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 The thing that made Odin and Zeus different is in a way we can understand Odin a bit better. An asshole odin might be he also shows a little characteristics of the infallibility of humans. I think zeus has no favorites since he isnt someone who really want kids since he just wants to fuck people when he wants and needs to.
Odin might have a favorite clearly He is fascinated or interested in people who have thirst for knowledge. and that is why he places respect for Atreus even a little.
Odin says trying nice to Thor and see where it gets you. Kratos did try it and he showed he understood Thor better than his old man did.
I really liked how they (Santa monica studios) just took one norse mythology and just totally ran with it with regards to Thor and Odin relationship.... I really give props to them (developers) in sticking with the end results (it doesnt matter about the position of the characters change in the storyline) but the end goal is still the same.. even atreus and Odin feels liked a father and son relationship in this game even though we dont acknowledge it..
Which myth?
Really ? Cause Odin is clearly just using Atreus.
What are you even talking about
In the original mythology depending on which version Loki was the bloodbrother of Odin. The whole dynamic they made really breathes a fresh dose of life into the poetic edda. I can’t argue with the end results and I do like to think old Snorri who wrote about the old sagas would be shedding a tear over this interpretation.
I love how no one is talking about on how thor is just walking around bruised like everything's fine lol
They're vikings
@@the_infinexos That, and also because gods can take a ton of punishment. What would incapacitate or even kill a regular human can simply be shrugged off.
@@MCSPARTAN501 That wound isn't healing because the axe was imbued by Eitr by the world serpent in the game before this, which in norse mythology is the same poison that kills him when fighting Jormugandr. It is directly harmful to him and thus won't heal properly.
Not sure why I'm correcting you, your take was insanely generic, but not at the level at which you responeded to. Ugh, why am I even in the comments..
"Take this and this stealthy side of beef" still the best line haha
The way every god was casted and portrayed was once again right on the money. Odin being a conniving, slimy banker type, Thor the broken weapon of his all powerful father, Heimdall was my personal favorite - I love that his powers of foresight made him into a completely insufferable ego head - cuz he was literally untouchable in a fight, he reminded me of Floyd mayweather 😂 - could go on but this game is GOTY and it’s not even close.
_Odin being a conniving, slimy banker type,_
Hey hey hey chill with the anti-Semitism
@@ivorymantis1026 "Cool it with the anit-Semetic remarks"
I honestly need a DLC to see the Aesir Vanir war, Giant-God relations, and Thor doing what he did. It honestly still kinda boggles my mind how Thor is half giant & still became a Giant-killer. It’s even more ironic when you remember Magni, Thor’s beloved warrior son, was even more Giant than he was, because Magni’s mom/Thor’s first love was a giant herself.
It's so weird to imagine Baldur fitting into this whole dynamic
I don't think he would fit.
Going by an irl personality description, he Is exactly the robot that Odin wanted to turn Thor into, he would be like a social outcast, the perfect description of a Sociopath benefitting from other people's Gain, a machine Who only knows the meaning of survival, had he not been cursed or sent by Odin to kill the last Giant, he still wouldn't like Atreus and Kratos Shanigans and would likely betray the family Just to kill them, as he probably finds values like love, peace and respect boring.
Baldur was seriously a real Brawler, he turned brawling into a passion fr.
lol just emo af and ready to start trouble just cause idk how odin could actually get baldur to stay still
Well probably he was calmed and acted differente when Odin was present. And Baldur was powerful but not that much to make Odin uncomfortable... Or maybe it's just that Baldur was more assertive than Thor...
@@net945-x5g baldur was still useful to odin and baldur shared the same madness like odin, because under working under him for so long he eventually came under the influence of the all father, but honestly baldur didnt fear odin, but respected him.
Baldur doesnt fear death, he wanted to feel something, that should give us a hint about his persoanlity, he probably had more authority than thor.
Baldur was useful, because he didnt hesitate to do the dirty work, he became odins fist, his wrath, an unstoppable, unkillable opponent you couldnt beat
Seen men like Thor. Constantly belittled and diminished by their dads and even when they grew into big strong adults, they didn't fight back and just took it. It's like they were still kids whenever confronted with the abusive father.
It definitely wouldn't make sense in this game, but I would've loved to see these characters in a scene with Baldur. I wonder how he fits in with them, because you can totally see that they're part of the same crowd.
I’d like to see when all the archers in Asgard fired upon him to see how many arrows he could take. Even he had a good time, laughing. And of course probably the only one who could beat Thor in drinking contests.
It's sad to imagine Thor as a kid, just wanting his father to love him, to at least care. You can tell he still feels so small, even though he's bigger than almost everyone.
Odin doesnt see Thor as his son. He sees Thor as an attack dog.
This game is amazing, but it's truly amazing in one way I never expected. It presents its characters with very tangible, realistic, and complex emotions.
Thor in particular this game was so realistic that it made me step back. He is horribly depressed, and the only time he feels any sense of joy at all is when he's brawling. He is struggling to deal with the emotions he has from loss of his sons; and he escapes from those emotions by drinking. The post bar brawl scene with Thrud really got to me. She's dealing with the reality of her family being broken, and the reality of having an alcoholic parent who is and was abused by their parent. Thor loves his wife and daughter, but his depression and his coping mechanisms prevent him from being the best dad he can be.
And also while his sons are dead, he can't kill Kratos because Odin needs Atreus' trust. So all he can do for his kids is to just throw Kratos a couple of times, and call the blood dept paid. This is sad
@@gerhardwasowski
Agree, but his anger is (partially) misplaced. Even his wife Sif blames Odin for what happened to Magni and Modi. Odin basically gave them a task he knew they wouldn't be able to complete; and they ended up paying the price for it.
Thor as a father is valid in being angry at Kratos and Atreus, but his lack of anger toward his own father Odin is where he falls short.
One thing that I found extremely ironic is that, after hearing all about the horrible acts of violence and tyranny these two caused from the stories in the first game, when Thor and Odin are first introduced in the start of this game there is a brief moment where we think to ourselves that maybe everything we heard about them was exaggerated or misconstrued (or maybe even completely false) and perhaps they're not as bad as we were led to believe. And as it turns out we WERE right, but not about Odin (who we thought might actually be the best of the Aesir), Thor (the one who we were led to believe was a merciless killer like former Kratos but worse) actually turned out to be super relatable and just as tragic as Kratos where-as Odin turned out to be the most evil villain in the whole GOW series
I like how Odin is grandiose "Mwahaha" evil and more will manipulate everyone around him Evil, he is kinda like Palpatine from Star Wars lol although I suppose Palps is also "Mwahaha" evil
I think they are just creating parallels between Kratos and Odin. Both have lost the love of their lifes (Kratos, twice), both have sons who are half giant and both are hard on their respective sons because they are emotionally stunted by loss.
0:13 when Thor just shows up immediately when summoned. This going gag in the game among otherz get me every time 😂
He's like Lurch in the Adams Family lol
0:14 I love how, if you look closely, you can see thor sliding in before he announces himself.
0:14 Dude calls man mountain as if he is calling his puppy.
Don’t do that
The diffefence between Kratos and Thor (apart from Kratos is the protagonist of course) is their rebellious spirit. Kratos fights against his fate. Thor doesn't.
well thor was starting to go against his father, little did he know odin doesnt play games and killed him right on spot, because he knew that thor would start rival against him in some time, once he started to talk back it was all over
Kind of ironic that they give Odin the personality and qualities of Loki from the myth, and now people are sympathetic to Loki while hating Odin.
I find it hilarious GOW portrays Odin more like a snarky office supervisor than a monarch like Zeus.
He was Odin weapon of destruction he wanted Thor to just do what he said remember Odin wants control over everything
People in the comment section are giving a lot of undue sympathy to Thor as an abuse victim.
Not realising that it is a cautionary tale. And that being a victim is no excuse whatsoever.
Good point.
Indeed he himself admitted that he did horrible things and didn’t deny it. Because their was no point in doing so, admittedly they did this perfectly in my opinion.
Can't trust anything Odin says- " If he says snow is white, he's lying"
I kind of hoped there would be a moment where kratos was hit by thors lightning and laugh it off by talking about who his father is
That would be cool! I kinda wish that they did allow Kratos to tell them who his father is just so they can be like “oh damn…. I’m fucked”
i fucking feel bad for Thor.
Sins of the fathers. THere really is no wonder why Thor was such a shitty father to Modi and Magni. It's easy to see where he got it from.
Odin rn is like your average internship boss in your first days, all encouraging and PR smiles that make him seem like your surrogate father... Until he revealed himself as any cutthroat executive of the Capitalist World.
Thor is a recovering alchoholic and instead of supporting him in this Odin says "you're no fun anymore" while encouraging him to drink.
I think Odin liked when Thor was drunk, made him even easier to control.
Ngl, I kinda like the voice acting if Odin….it’s low-key soothing
@@corneliusfarrell8673 This voice is perfect, it makes him sound as a calm, innocent old man, which is exactly the facade he likes to have, Thrud, his granddaughter can't believe that Odin is evil. Same as Heimdall, they both believe Odin's lies and fake persona, that's why they blindly obey him.
@@corneliusfarrell8673 He is called the All-Father, the all-knowing, the king of Asgard, the ruler of the 9 realms and you say low key?
@@corneliusfarrell8673 Again, read the names, how is that slightly or secretly? He is the embodiment of narcissism.
@@corneliusfarrell8673 Dude, I have a hard time fully understanding what you say because your writing is horrible, don't blame me.
good placement of that last scene, retrospection, wise; I wouldn't have thought to look at Odin's words at the very beginning.
I love how Odin plays this disoriented carefree guy. Always jumping and acting surprised, like he is not only in the loop, he made it.
I think Santa Monica got it wrong by giving Thor short scenes. Even if is a tragic character he's still a epic god who could gave us great moments and scenes. Like baldur (I mean in Ragnarok)
I have a feeling that what is on the other side of the rift is what Kratos and Atreus will eventually be facing in the next game.
I think this is the last game.
@@Silencer796 I don't think it is. The ending of this game hints at a much greater destiny for Kratos.
Watching the trailers I expected Thor to be formidable, strong and strong-willex villain.
But in reality he was the most pathetic of all. Never stood up for himself. Never stood up for his family unless berated by Odin or yelled at by Sif.
Cautionary tale if there was ever one.
In hindsight, Odin's first meeting with Kratos might've been his cruelest moment of all to Thor. He calls his dead sons useless, and mocks his attempts at sobriety as Thor being "no fun anymore" pretty much the worst dad on the planet.
I saw some comments of people being surprised by his speed and stealth, people forget, even in real life the more physically strong, the more powerful and fast you are, they are usually equal. Thor has shown to be above hades (he states thor hit him stronger than anything ever has, and in lore hades is the strongest god to actually land a hit on him, if I recall Zues never did) so of course he would have speed on that level.
Even Helios has infinite speed, as he could light the underworld (infinite) and universe (infinite) instantly. And even Kratos could dodge and block that.
Where is this all stated?
Wait you're saying that Zeus never hit Kratos?
@@Joao-jx1lo the game lore that’s collected as you play
@@voldy2189 in GoW3 final confrontation no
1. Zeus definitely hit Kratos multiple times in their fights. In the first QTE on the 2d section Kratos and Zeus smack each other and send each other flying.
2. Kratos never stated that Thor hit harder than any of his prior opponents, rather that his blows were AS HARD.
3. Being physically stronger doesn't necessarily mean you'll be faster, especially if it's achieved through weight being gained in which case that can be a detriment to your speed.
"THOR! get down here" 0:14 this got me good bro xd
The amount of work that went into making every character's personality convincing enough to make us believe they'd actually do the things we see them do...
Odin: Emotional Damage!
"It's the only language he understands"
He says, knowing damn well that he's the reason Thor works that way.
I imagine Thor was like a crazy muscled up dude back in his giant killing days, the severe mental issues hunt him as he get older. His father doesnt really care for him and has one single mind track in finding the truth. its kinda sad character.
Odin: what did you teach him?
Me: how not to lose an eye for example.
Oooh that would actually have been a good singer.
Still never got over Thor’s death ):
Odin is like a Mafia boss.
exactly, it’s lowkey fire
Odin talking BS throughout the whole game I felt bad for Thor just wish he stood up for himself. I'm sure Baldur was Odin favorite
0:13 now imagine Odin saying "Jesus Christ! Don't do that!"
We're in for God of War: The Messiah
Now we need a Thor game with this Thor please
Would be dope to see a younger thor in his hay day lol
2:57 Odin looks like an evil Santa with that hat. 😁
If you think about it, Thors mother was a giant, and he was taught to hate and kill giants.
Its pretty messed up.
0:13
How my parents expect me on how fast I come when they call me
I remember reading, it's implied Thor killed his own mother. If that was true, it could explain why Odin treats Thor the way he does.
wasn’t it during child birth though?
I just feel sry for Thor. He dont deserve it... Odin Im coming for you
Does anyone think Thor's mother died while giving birth to him, and Odin blames Thor for her death which is why he is such an asshole to him and treats him like shit? Giving Odin the worst father of the year award would greatly insult the prize.
I've always loved the Kratos/Thor parallels. Abusive fathers, violent pasts, feared by all, loved by few and often unable to see when it comes. Each using their strength to intimidate others and validate themselves. The only difference is Zeus didn't break Kratos, but Odin broke Thor. Zeus was a bully and a narcissist, Odin is a true blue sociopath and manipulator.
Put simply, I think you can argue Zeus felt some degree of loyalty toward the other gods and to Olympus, even if none of it mattered more than himself. But Odin, its hard to imagine he genuinely cared about anybody, or if he was even capable. Fascinating, fascinating character writing
when he screams "you turned my family against me!" during his boss fight, it mad me think of Anakin. lol.
"you turned her against me!"
",,,you have done that yourself!"
The game is full of a little too much meta humor, there's also clearly a part where Thor goes "Keep my wife's name out of your mouth" 👀
Thor is the Darth Vader to Odin's Palpatine.
In my opinion, Odin as a character in this game is one of the most interesting I’ve ever seen he’s evil but at face value he’s a great dude but once and while you see behind his facade
Brilliant !
Odin calling Thor down reminds me of the 2003 Texas chainsaw massacre movie when the father screamed for leather face, while he was in the basement to get up there and handle killing somebody.
"Oooh, getting nosey. Getting personal."
Lmao Odin is too likeable tbh.
0:13 If you look at Odin's head when he calls for Thor, you can see Thor's shadow appear
Kratos proved showing a little kindness would've gone a long way with thor.
Did everyone forget about Mangi or is it just me that remember Modi had a brother?0:49
If he adopted Atreus ...he'd do the same
"Stealthy side of beef"
-Odin
It's implied that when Thor was born his birth caused his mother (Odin's favorite wife) to die. So Odin takes it out on him. What an a-hole.