2 YEAR FOLLOW-UP to Toilet Flange Fix / Also, Compare Different Toilet Seals
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Previously, I made a video showing my toilet flange fix. It was a rusty, off-level and unsupported toilet flange. I went far and above what anyone would normally do to fix it, but in the comments I was told by professional plumbers that I didn't repair it correctly. Maybe they were right. In this video, I pull up my toilet two years later to see if my flange repairs held up. Who was right - the DIY guy or the professionals? I also compare various rubber toilet seals to find one that's right for my project. Besides plain wax rings, the brands include Danco HydroCap, HydroSeat, Perfect Seal, as well as Fluidmaster Better Than Wax and Sani Seal.
Skip ahead with time stamps, if preferred:
00:01 - Intro / setup for video.
01:41 - Disassemble the toilet.
02:18 - Pull toilet / reveal results from two years ago.
03:22 - Preparation for a redo.
04:10 - Compare various toilet seal products.
10:44 - Prepare toilet seal product of my choice and set toilet.
12:28 - Commentary about plumber's advice.
13:02 - Pull up toilet (again) and inspect the performance of the new rubber toilet ring product.
13:38 - Adapt the product for final use.
14:44 - Final commentary - What's the deal with toilet engineers? New toilet ideas.
16:07 - Mention of upcoming videos / sign off. 
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One thing my Dad taught me that he was truly right about is that just because you're not a professional at doing diy projects doesn't mean you can't do a better job than professionals . I've seen some so called professionals do pretty sloppy work.
I agree, with tons of how to videos on youtube and personal experience by the old timers I manage to find a solution. My mom always encouraged me to learn from the older heads and pick their brain. Good thing is youtube has some of those mentors like Essential Craftsman etc. I do a combo of learning from my elders + youtube videos.. i personally believe if there is somethinf that needs a repair youtube has a video for it.. im not that old (38) but im used to passed along knowledge but youtube specfic videos have saved my butt..
No kidding. I'm an amateur but even I have done better plumbing work than the "professional" plumbers in my area. Granted there are only 2 of them in my area and both of them suck. One of them busted holes in an elderly man's brick wall to run a vent pipe for a washing machine & didn't even seal or patch around the hole on the exterior. He also only ran the pipe up a few couple feet and slapped an AAV on it. AAVs aren't even allowed by my state's plumbing code. And this is an exterior vent! When he did the other drain pipes he had the customer's grandson dig the trenches but then charged for digging even though he never touched a shovel and he just slapped the pipes into the trenches without any slope and left them sticking out of the ground (he didn't set them all the way down into the trench). I almost hired that guy but after that I would never let him touch a project at my house. The other guy won't sweat copper (which I admit I won't do either) and rushes jobs & doesn't care if he leaves a mess in a customer's yard or house. He didn't even bring the right equipment to do the job & had to use our wire hangers (got mad last time he came out bc he used up the last of our hangers & we don't have anymore and they don't sell them in the area). Doublecharged for literally 2 minutes of cleaning a drain because he was mad that he showed up a day early without calling first & my disabled mother had trouble getting to the door-- the kicker is, he saw her come out but because it took her so long to answer he left anyway and charged us for that visit. After that I learned to snake drains myself.
You should move to an area that has more plumbers
He's lucky he has 2! We only have 1 where I live. Granted he is awesome and does great work. We also don't have any handymen who aren't strung out so I'm looking at having to do everything myself if I want it done halfway decently. I sit here watching videos about the product I already bought to fix my toilet which started leaking lol. Glad the product I chose is the one people seem to like and use.
Kevin Sorenson. Back in '03 I was building a small work shop. I did the framing, insulation and all the sheet rock work but before the insulation and rock, I asked the electrical inspector if a DIYer could do the wiring and save a ton of money. He said yes as long as it was code. So I bought a bunch of romex, switches and recepticals and spent a week mapping out where I wanted stuff. When I was nearing the end of the project, I called for an early inspection as the dept suggusted. He pointed out a minor few things that needed to be corrected. About 3 weeks later after I was sure everything was up to code, he came back and told me for an amateur, I had done a first class job, better than some pros, in fact. He signed the job off and I had power the next day to where I could work nights putting in insulation and rock. The days were just to damn hot to work in. Plumbing isn't usually my thing but the wife needs a new more modern toilet, so I guess I will try it. If Joe the Plumber can do it, I guess I can too. Cheers, my friend. Bob
I'm a plumber,and your 100% right in the fact of there's more then one way to skin a cat. But I say you did an excellent job. I'd shake your hand and say well done mate.
Dude, you're a plumber, skip the handshake bro. lol
@@garybonz Also, there's a pandemic. Do elbow bump instead.
@@garybonz That's some funny shit right there.
ditto
😂@@JasonEMoustakas
Professionals are trained to do the most cost effective installations that are up to CODE. DIYers have more investment into their projects and benefit from overkill because they are already saving money from not hiring a pro. Just because it is above an beyond CODE, doesnt mean it is wrong. Remember that installation CODE is the bare minimum that must be followed by law. You did a great job that will last as long or longer than any pro. Dont listen to internet trolls. A+ for taking the time to do a rock solid install.
Thanks for the comment. That is the perfect analysis of the situation.
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I second motion this comment!..
Some so called professionals are nothing more than cash grabbing hacks. There is cutting corners responsibly and then there is doing substandard work to cram in more calls.
Stumbled onto your video; I rarely comment. As a professional plumber I enjoyed your video and would agree, social media is full of Monday morning quarterbacks and "experts" there to tell you how you did it wrong. As a homeowner who cares, and is willing to put in the work/effort, you can sometimes do a better job than someone you might pay. Now to your repair; I noticed you are very concerned about the level of the flange. I've never put a level on the flange and know that the odds of finding a perfect one are nil. What's more important is where the flange is in relation to the top of the floor(I know it's not level). Only reason that's important is it determines how thick a gasket/ring you will need to make a good seal. Since I started my business doing service and repair, I've never stocked wax rings on my truck. I've always used different types of foam gaskets like the ones you show in the video. Sani Seal is a great one. For a while I've been using a product called Tight Seal gasket made of elastomer. Gaskets always more $$ than wax, but so worth it. BTW, I hold no ill will to those who want to do their own work. Of course I don't make money as a pro that way; but I also don't have to do the work! Keep up the good work.
"...but I also don't have to do the work." Haha. Thanks for commenting. Sorry for the delay. Sometimes I live in a time warp.
Yes this is a good comment, and a good video. Essentially the end product is to get a good long lasting seal. As it your own toilet, you have the time and attention to research and do the best possible job you can. Plumbers will never go out of business, because who wants to do a job like this in a well used high traffic commercial restaurant😊 But good job 👏
Thumbs up for having the nerve to wear those socks on camera! LOL.
Solid review! I like it !! :-)
Contractors will ALWAYS tell you the guy before them did it all wrong, it’s in their handbook! 😂
If that aint the truth!!
yip!
Programmers and Mechanics are the same breed of cat.
It's usually the truth unfortunately.
The guy before him did it wrong, he’ll do it wrong, and the next guy will do it wrong…
Friggin Hilarious. Marty you're the funniest home improvement hack I've ever seen. With regard to your extended bolt idea I couldn't stop laughing. The stackable seals were probably the least desirable option but you made them work, and by doing so you have earned the respect of all the home improvement hacks everywhere. Keep on hacking (with videos) because the world needs as much humor as possible.
Your attention to detail is oddly soothing.
Your NOT stupid. You are very thorough. Nothing wrong with that. You obviously hit a nerve with plumbers. That tends to happen when people get jealous. Great job.
"Do what we can with what we got" Brilliant!
Thank you so much for doing a follow up. Greatly appreciated!
I think you did a remarkable job! Thank you for sharing. You are very motivated to take on these big projects.
Excellent video! One of the most articulately explaned videos i've seen!
The sweetest spirit. Revealing your honest thoughts. Cleanest underside of a toilet I have ever seen.
I loved the video, your humor and your thoroughness! You did a really great job! I feel more confident about tackling my toilet repair tomorrow. I also have a 3 3/4 inch cast iron pipe I’m working with. Your toilet seal review was great. I actually had looked at the exact same ones wondering which would be best. Thank you for your knowledge and personal opinion.
Marty, you are a funny guy and a pleasure to watch. Your solutions are logical and effective. As a high school art teacher, many years retired, solutions were always in the back of my mind. Name it, I taught it. That's 35 years of fun. I own a house built in 1904 and with 4 johns I always looked for a solution or two in my 50 years of ownership
Oh, how smart, Marty, putting wax where glue is not holding, going to do EXACTLY as you did...getting 2 of them! Tiling my bathroom but never did a toilet area. Thanks for your wonderful “meticulousism”. You are soooo funny, so glad I found you!
This man speaks truth! Love his comments. Seriously, toilets haven’t changed in my lifetime
The uh change every day almost including the toliet seats bra
Toilets have changed for the better. Our new 1.6gpf Kohler one-piece has yet to be clogged by our olympic dumper 15 yr old son. He was clogging our old 1984 Am.Std Plebe 4gpf on a weekly basis. The Kohler has 2 flush modes: quick press/release of the handle to flush .75g for pee, or depress the handle for 4 seconds to release the full 1.6g for a dump flush. My wife loves the one piece design for teenage-boy-spray cleanup. Also, one-piece design avoids the possibility of the water tank leaking through those bolts and seals that attach to the bowl. And we all love the soft-close seats.
Marty you need to make more videos like this-had me laughing. I really enjoyed this and it also helped me with my leaky toilet repair!! I was just complaining about the exact thing how old some of this tech is for toilets. Its unbelievable.
Thanks so much for the funny but true remarks about the way toilets are made! And I love your suggestions on how to make a better toilet!
Love the humor, intellect, and information. Thank you sir.
Wonderful video! Watching this as I rest up for round two with attaching a Toto washlet to a Kohler skirted toilet....
WOW! You uploaded a follow up? Well, I asked for it and I got it!
Great video. I agree so much with how ridiculous the modern toilet is and the fact that no one has come up with a fail safe version.
I’ve used the Danco products a couple of times to compensate for height issues and have had good luck. Thank you for the video!
Great job on the flange, I used the fludmaster seal and had to use both pieces from the kit because my flange is below floor level due to the way they tiled my floor. Our issue is that with wax every winter we would develop a leak. The rubber and the foam seals have held up for two years so far.
You are very thorough and explain very well. Good review!
I have got to give you props for doing it yourself. People have directed the same kind of comments to me over the years but I've saved a lot of money and, knock on wood, have never "learned the hard way" by having one of my repairs fail.
Sadly there is too many unscrupulous and/or hurried "pros" out there for anyone not to try a repair themselves... especially with all of the resources now available to the public
Working in building for over 30 years what I learned is most of the people that do it have no formal training on how to do it and you’re absolutely right I can afford to do things myself wrong three times more than paying somebody to do it wrong for me once I love your comment
Man, you are hoot! And where did you get those socks?! I had to turn down the brightness on my monitor. Seriously, your video is 100% worth watching. I am about to replace a toilet in my house and I never would have known about all those seal options and pros and cons of each. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this quality video. And with your personality, you could have your own show on HGTV.
I think they are Gatorade socks, but couldn't tell for sure!
Hey, Marty! Loved your videos, and I hope that you do more! The fake window, and counter tops look awesome! Hope that you are doing well, and that you add to your Channel. 👍😊
Great video, thanks for your time and effort. I think you forgot the word "savant" when you called yourself an idiot, those are some great ideas. I'm pretty sure there are some high end toilets out there that have what you're asking for. Keep up the good work.
From one toilet ingineer to another: I approve of your work.
I like Marty because he talks to me on the same level, don't make us wait long time for the next video 🚽
Engineer but thanks for desging toilets, we need more like you
@@turtlesmo9603 ungineer
I like the way you make videos and your meticulous nature! Great job, subbed!
You are funny (in a good way), love the background music. This is a solid video.
Hey Marty I Like a guy that speaks the truth and you also went out to show everyone the differences of these items! Wow I think that's special, I agree with you and thank you for a nice waking up video on how to repair these issues!
Thanks man, glad you liked it.
AWESOME VIDEO! I WATCHED 6 OTHERS AND YOURS WAS THE MOST UNDERSTANDING. NOT TO FAST AND NOT TO SLOW! FANTASTIC JOB! THANK YOU
Thanks for the great compliment on my video. Appreciate you watching.
I feel you man! Cheer up! I did a similar thing for my dad and he gave me heat cause it took me long but I didn't care. I was trying to learn, study, experience and experiment with my skills. Especially, when running into hiccups such as uneven floor surfaces.
Hey guy you're really too hard on yourself. You've been a big help to me. Thanks a lot.
Thanks Sir! It is unfortunate some haters have the need to disparage your efforts.
Great job! We find that when we do projects around the home ourselves, we also take more time yet we also take a lot more care and put more thought into the finer touches. We have had some pretty shoddy work done when we have let the 'pro's do the work for us. Generally, because they are in a rush to move on to the next job.
Some jobs though I really don't enjoy and struggle through, watching countless videos until I feel I can tackle it, and sometimes struggling through, yet in the end, I have a better result. We tend to overdo things too, especially now as we are tiling the bathroom my hubby had to remind me we are not making a swimming pool as I was taking the waterproofing the outside corners of the shower pan too far.
The toilet was an issue as to save having to tear out more ceiling below and redo the drainpipe I opted for a 'twist and set' flange to work with the existing pipe. It seems to be a good seal and once our shower drain is also installed we can test it as they share the same line.
It looks like you did an meticulous outstanding job
You are so smart!! And adorable. Thanks for sharing.
You are the man, Marty! Good Job. Do what works for you! Excellent video!
Thank you.
This video was perfect! I'm gonna look for the previous install vid now. I subbed as well.
Love the video. Informative and hilarious! The tongue and cheek humor kept making me laugh.
Love the socks man! great review thanks for the info!
Thanks for watching. Nike basketball socks.
Love your videos, keep doing what you do. 💖
Thanks for your time. I was going with the sani seal. But not now. And I like the idea of a side window on the bottom. Why not? Makes sense to me.
Again thanks.
Nice video
I really enjoy how laid back you are about everything. We could all learn something from you!
You don't need me, you've got those spliffs :)
This was the best video I've seen! Great work 👏
Thank u sir. I appreciate ur time and effort.
i really like how he filled in the space between the flange and tile to prevent water from going under the tiling and creating a bigger problem. This helps to know if their is a leak from the wax ring, The caulking around the base should have some hole to let the water out.
I like this guy he's not afraid to reinvent or try something different. He questions an established mentioned looking for a better way. There's always a better way if you are willing to try and question things most of the time.👏👍
Good video, really enjoyed it, keep up the good work.
Bravo, you hit the nail on the head here. I installed a new toilet two days ago and -after doing a little research- decided to give the Fluidmaster non-wax ring a try. However, my comfort level about having achieved an actual seal immediately after the installation was next to zero, so I went straight back to using the wax ring that was fortunately included with the toilet. Back to the stone ages…
I guess this is a common experience. I did exactly this 2 years ago. When I set the toilet down on the rubber gasket I wasnt feeling good at all about how it was seated and just used the wax ring that came with it instead as well. I just really perfer that nice seal you get with a wax ring, and with how cheap they are it isnt the end of the world that it cannot be reused.
Really exciting music! Thanks for posting, subscribed!
Marty, the Fluidmaster comes with a height spacer for flanges that are too low. You didn’t need a second gasket.
I was wondering the same thing. Why not use the height spacer? I mean, if you want to buy two then go for it. But what do you gain by using two versus the added spacer?
Good info💥👍💥
Thanks for the video. I used the green foam seal back in 2010. It is still intact and no issues (2021). It was my first ever toilet job and it was a success. I am about to do another job on a different toilet and plan to use the green foam seals again! F- wax!
Entertaining video. Decisions are made with the bottom line in mind. Just replaced a rusted out flange myself. I've set a few toilets over the years. Double wax rings always seems to work.
Marty, I love your video. Great ideas about toilet improvements, and right about taking your time. I wish you were my neighbour , i think we would be great friends... hi from Canada
Loved your video. Keep on keeping on man.
Thanks for posting, you answered some good questions and improvised with a plumbers tactics... get the job done don't call the shop.
Kudos to you for your honest comments. Haters will always hate.
Job well done, I enjoyed how you addressed, then dismissed, the 20 min bonehead. Those people are out there no matter what you do. Great information. I've used wax rings for 20 years, and will continue to do so for 20 more.
A properly installed wax ring can last almost forever if no plunging is required. However most toilet removal photos show a lot of creepy crud around the flange and even on the floor. In my case I have Kohler Rochelle toilets installed in a tight location where I can't peek around the rim to see the flange bolts. It's also a bit tight to try to use a spotter. I have been able to do it with some difficulty by using stacks of shims and removing them one at a time but Have often damaged the wax ring and had to reform or replace it. This time I am going to try either the Sani Seal or the Fluidmaster and the shims hoping for a more forgiving placement.
Great video, you are very informative. Keep up the great work. loved the video.
Thank you.
I love the straw idea! I will use that. Thanks.
Thanks for your insight. I’m about to replace ours. Hilarious comment about the lack of advancements in toilet technology also😃
Great video. The plumbers make way too much for what they do. Thanks for a detailed video.
Man, I just had to drop a comment. The way you operate is far too similar to my own idiosyncratic ways. Awesome video, awesome humor. Keep doing your thing.
not sure how I found you Marty but I'm so glad I did. You sire are the Larry David of home improvement.
Love the bumper behind the tank!!!
Thanks, Woody!
You sir are a genius..
As a certified master toilet technician (plumber) I approve of this message.
YES!!! An update!! You've made my day!!!
Yep Make some more videos man. I enjoy watching and hearing what you have to say
This great video made me subscribe! 👍🏻 I hate half assed don't care "good enough for this part of town" plumbing work.
Excellent works, thanks.
You did a great job, I did my three toilets my self and change two vanity, it cost a lot of money to pay, it's good to help your self, I'm Jack of all trade
You have humor as dry as a tumbleweed and I genuinely enjoyed it haha that’s for multiple good ideas sir!
I loved the bumper idea!
I'm here for all of it Marty keep um coming.
Your comment about the "20 minute man" was spot on. You call a plumber today, he's on the clock so it's "Blow and Go". They are pigs, almost never cleaning up behind themselves. Yeah, this was a little overkill, but your toilet didn't leak a drop. Can't tell you how many times I reseat a recently installed toilet that is leaking. Other than not using the 3 1/2" closet bolts (and hacksawing them down so the bolt caps fit) don't apologize to anyone here. It's the "Pigs" reputation that you can't equate to his value. I encourage all my home owning customers to take a swing at doing this kind of home repairs. It ain't rocket science. If not, there are guys like me out there who do make love to making sure these jobs are done right and left cleaner than when I showed up.
Forget the people who want you to pay them. What you did worked great and you didn't have to pay a know it all! Keep doing and learning and you'll be self-sufficient! Remember there is no one way!!!! If your way works keep going! Learn as much as you can and never stop!
Super good video! Thank you for sharing. 👍
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
Great job friend. Nothing wrong with being OCD.
Love the vibe...I do just about everything myself and no one will work with me because im....too detail obsessed...yeah whatever
Nice work!
I used the Hydrocap along with the wax seal and shims, worked pretty well.
Perfect Seal worked great for me. Just buy one and you're set. Great video!
I like your straw trick dropping the bowl on the flange. I use the straw trick on the flapper chains to keep the chain from getting to trapped in the flapper seat. I use an extra washer and nut to hold the johnny bolt rigid so dropping the bowl onto the flange is easier.
I use the green foamy seal (managing rental multi units) all the time . Installed a few dozen so far for a least 6 years. None failed yet . No leaks and being reused every time if toilet needs to be reinstalled .
The green ring is the best . No problems with it at all .
I used one a few years ago and so far so good
I have too say you did a fine job. I've been a plumber for 25 years. Trust me you did a better job then most plumbers that I know!
Even if you don't care about this topic.. I love the dead panned humor at the end....
Applause for thinking outside the box
Very nicely done! 👍👍👍
I used a combination of the blue flange repair setup on the lower right, and the better than wax ring and horn many years ago to fix a rotted copper or brass flange in a 120 year old house, worked really well. It was not an ideal situation and a plumber would have probably insisted on placing part of the drain to do it “right” but for $25 and some elbow grease i never had an issue from it again.
Marty...I grew up with a great Dad that always said.."If you want it do right ..do it yourself."
Like your idea of using the straws for the bolts. You are not stupid ..Marty.
Thanks for the education...always learning. GOOD VEDIO.
Just remember...Thermometers have degrees...and you know where they stick them!
THATS....DONE RIGHT ...my bad.
Nice job, can't wait to see your next video! If time is not an issue you can do just about anything yourself if you are handy.
Proper video man. I do everything myself. Electrics, Plumbing, carpentry, masonry etc.
I may take longer than the "Professionals" to do the jobs, but it will be done right, unlike the so-called "professionals" who may show up late or never. It's not so much about saving money, but more about a sense of satisfaction that one can do their own maintenance and also saving yourself a lot of aggravation by not having to deal with the so-called professionals. Keep up the good work.
I'm a nurse who loves doing things by MYSELF! I've had previous upstairs disasters with leaking plumbing so I like to be able to know how I sealed it and check it periodically. Your creative methods are awesome - I wish there was a leak indicator that we could mount on the subfloor to be able to know if water is soaking into that if leaking under the tile floor that would save lots - thanks.
How about using spacers to raise the flange above the floor and seal the gap between the flange and the tile floor using silicone? If there is leak, water is on the tile floor, not under.
The ideal scenario is to have the piece of pipe that the flange attaches to at the same height as the flange so that way you can avoid having difficulties like the one that you describe in your video.When I replaced my soil stack I used DWV PVC with a cast iron no-hub flange that I bolted to the floor.I could have used a PVC flange but past experiences with PVC flanges do not inspire me with confidence because PVC flanges have been known to break off where the johnny bolts go due to the fact that PVC though strong becomes brittle with age and/or cold weather.What I did was that I installed the DWV PVC in the basement,made all of the necessary connections then came upstairs,slipped the cast iron no-hub flange over the piece of DWV PVC that was protruding from the floor,fastened the cast iron no-hub flange to the PVC pipe and to the floor then with my dremel multi-tool I trimmed the excess PVC pipe to be at the same height as the cast iron no-hub flange thus giving the Fluidmaster gasket plenty of solid area on which to rest on to prevent any leaks.I hope you don't mind my advice but in your situation I would have used acrylic caulking on the inside edge of the flange's mouth and allowed the caulking to cure before resetting the toilet or you could have gotten a piece of 4" PVC pipe,cut a piece of the 4" PVC pipe at the same height as your flange to take up the extra space inside the mouth of your flange,caulked the 4" PVC nipple in place and done.Wax is good but if you ever need to remove your toilet you will have to go through the same thing again using wax as a filler because the wax is not going to stay in place once you remove your toilet where as the acrylic caulking will stay in place if allowed to cure before the toilet is set.Slowly but surely we are seeing and will hopefully continue to see improvements concerning toilets.When I removed the old toilet that we had to replace it with our new TOTO toilet I was astounded at how small the flush valves on old toilets actually are.You did a very good job Mr.Pollio,forget the nay-sayers.With the economy in such dire straits causing such financial difficulties now a days there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else wanting to save a few hundred dollars here and there when ever it's possible.The few hundred dollars that you can save here and there help to pay for other home repairs that you cannot or might not want to do yourself.I'm certain that the plumber that you consulted with was asking at a minimum upwards of $700.00 at the very least in which case you did the right thing,jerry-rigging is nothing to be ashamed of,getting taken for upwards of at least $700.00 is nothing to brag about either so you did well Mr.Pollio,God bless you and yours.P.S.,The one mistake that you made was that you didn't properly align the flange before you set the flange in place which is why the johnny bolts are stretching the eyelets on the gasket.The top and bottom notches on your flange are supposed to be in the 12 and 6 o'clock positions but instead the top and bottom notches on your flange are in the 11 and 5 o'clock positions which is why your johnny bolts are sitting so far apart from each other and stretching eyelets on the gasket and also results in your toilet not being properly held in place by the johnny bolts.The johnny bolts are supposed to sit midway in their respective slots and centered on the flange which would be the case if the top and bottom notches on your flange were in the 12 and 6 o'clock positions.I have worked with licensed NYC contractors and licensed NYC plumbers since I was 16 years old and I am now 59 years old.While I do not know everything there is to know about plumbing what I learned I learned well.The last part of my post is not to mock or ridicule you,the last part of my post is meant to help you and others.
great socks! Thanks for the humor.