I tried this set-up earlier this week. I was a little skeptical about catching fish on the perfection loop tag and how sensitive this set-up would be. Well... this will be my set-up moving forward. I had an epic day, catching 15"-19" browns and cutties on both flies. The ease of being able to adjust the tag to fish at different depths was a huge bonus. THANK YOU, CORY!!
Cory, I like this. NW Flyfishing uses this with triple surgeon knots tied off at interval. Either works but I like your way to slide it up to your point of choice and let the fish pull it down to the stopper. Thanks for the pointers
@@OldDominionTroutBum I have been averaging at least 1/week for over a year now! Was just up in State College PA with Domenick from Troutbitten and I told him about how much your videos and messages have helped me.
New to fly fishing, been having some success but this is going to be a game changer! It's been getting annoying clipping and retying knots on my dry droppers while I'm wading especially when it's windy, this is going to help tremendously! Thanks for the tips Cory, tight lines!
Thanks a lot for sharing your system with us Cory...been looking for a reliable solution for adjustable dry-dropper river fishing for wild fish, specifically with smaller flies and tippet diameters...appreciate the simplicity and flexibility your system offers...and I know I can trust its effectiveness with hook-ups etc based on your own experience...very helpful as always.
I struggle at first but them I got a system going and now I've tied a dozen of them and I'll do like you and store them in my vest. Thanx for the tutorial .tight lines.
Hey Cory, I am very interested in watching and seeing how this work. Keep up the great content. You have done a wonderful job with your channel over the years and are building something special, I hope you can see that. Tight lines my friend and hope to share a stream with you sometime.
Really appreciate the kind words, Mike. Thanks for watching from the beginning. This will work great for you, especially when you are brookie fishing and a using a ton of dry-dropper. Hope this season has been good to you, my friend. And I’ll sure our paths will cross out on the stream. Tight lines to you, as well!
Thanks for this video ( and all your others). It's amazing how fly fishers get to the same place using different methods. I tie a tippet ring on the end of my dry- dropper hoppers and then it's easy to adjust the depth. Just clip off the old and tie in a new length of tippet and your ready. Starting in a couple of weeks I'll use this almost exclusively on small Western rivers and streams.
I was literally fishing yesterday wishing for a simple and reliable adjustable dry/dropper rig. I rarely fish dry/droppers because of the depth variability issues you describe, and when I do I struggle with dialing in a fixed depth for my nymph. I'm gonna give this shot next time.
@@OldDominionTroutBum thanks. The mechanics of the knot I get but with fine tippet on-stream somehow another game. Guess I need plunge style hackle pliers…
Hey Cory! Cool idea! Lack of adjustability is the main reason why I will fish an indicator instead of a dry fly in some of these situations. This obviously solves that which is super cool. I'm wondering if you have tried doing a similar thing as this using a uni knot, similar to what you would do when adding a backing barrel? They are adjustable and you could leave a tag for the dry fly. I'm guessing it would be kind of hard to get the tension right with fine tippet compared to your method. I might give it a try and see what happens. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Eric. I don't like using the uni because it is a little too tight for lighter tippet. When you slide it up and down, it will kink up your tippet. The perfection loop is easier on it. This will definitely work for you. Just make sure you keep your dry fly nice and dry. If it gets a little wet and sinks, the surface will "grab" it and want to pull it down. Good luck to you and I appreciate you watching!
First, I am a big fan, thank you for the great content. With making fishing easier, Dr. Paul Gaskell teaches a ladder leader, which is a series of figure 8 knots that you tie in several places in the point or main line. So you can move your tags wherever you need. I have been using this and moving tags around is fast from a foot of water to four. The plus is that the perfection loop spins on the main line also making for less unwanted knots
Appreciate you being a fan, Rob. That sounds like a fantastic way. That’s the great thing about this sport, we can learn so much from one another. Thanks so much for watching and tight lines to you.
Getting ready to try a hopper dropper. Awesome info as always. Can’t wait to give this a go and see how it works. Keep posting I’ll keep watching. Tight lines friend.
Made it up to Pine Creek Wednesday. Didn’t have a fire day but didn’t do bad either. We need rain in the worst way. Finished the day out on Penns on my local stretch on top. Did fantastic.
Question for ya , have you ever had any issues with hook ups on the dry . Does the perfection loop ever loosen on the line and lead to a softer hook set because of the loop sliding down the line until it hits that stopper knot or has that not been a problem ? Great video ! And I can’t wait to give this system a go . Cheers
Chris, I have no problem with hook ups. The tension created from the surface and the rod hook set are all you need. On a side note, every now and then the dropper will slide if it partially submerged and the water "grabs" it and pulls it down when you lift it out of the water. Make sure your dry is riding high and you will be fine. Good luck and thanks for watching. Tight lines.
I use this system for steelhead with weight on the bottom and fly on the tag and the loop lands all of them. I also keep my tags in a used plastic extra gum containers keeps them neat. Thanks for expanding my knowledge, great idea.
Cool, nice to see someone else is doing this besides me. I pre-tie them and place them in medicine pill pouches just like when you pull out a new leader making very small loops to keep the single dropper together placing about 10 in a pill pouch. 😉
I have always used a stopper knots to for building tag rigs. But I have always relied on multiple stopper knots for the different depths. I think having a SINGLE stopper knot as you showed is genius, because the ones above 1 foot are really not necessary andt he line is so much "cleaner". Cory, a big thanks for your tips. By the way, I just use a figure 8 knot instead of building it with 2 separate lines and cutting the tags off. What do you think? I also use a Double Davy above the knot as it is smaller, gathers less moss, and seconds to tie. For the tag, I use the DD because it requires less length than the 16/20 knot (as little as 3") which is a plus when the tag gets shorter and shorter.
Glad you like the video. I am a big fan of the figure 8. I use it often. I am also a fan of the Davy knot. It is what I use to tie my tippet to my fly. Appreciate you watching and Tight lines!
I just recently switched to that c&f pack also, loving it so far. I replaced the neck strap with Paracord and foam from another old lanyard for better comfort
I’ve been using it a lot this spring and loving it, as well. So nice to go so light on the stream. Sound like a nice idea with the neck strap. Appreciate you watching.
@@OldDominionTroutBum i've seen a few spanish and french comp guys who use this chest box too, and they've found interesting ways to rig it with the back panel from umpqua, W&J, and one even made a back pocket out of the new patagonia stealth work station. i'm gonna give the chest box & lumbar pack a try this summer for wet wading, when i don't need to carry extra layers,
Wow I just learned a lot watching this, so much I'll need to watch it a couple times to digest. Just a Philly native hack here who fishes upstate Pocono & Allegheny mountain areas since a teenager with both spin & fly. I basically work pools upstream stripping wooly buggers/worms, streamers & muddlers on 3 ft. of 4 lb. test that I cut tied to a metal loop connector. I'm only targeting aggressive fish, then I move on to the next pool. I have no patience for the match-the-hatch technique which is probably my ultimate downfall. Shame on me. LOL.
Joey, everyone has their way that makes them happy. That's all that matters! You fish in some great area. Appreciate you watching and good luck to you!
Hey Cory - I tried doing this the other day and I found when I raised the dropper perfection loop above the slip knot to change the depth of my point nymph, the dry dropper tag it would only stay for a few casts before eventually slipping back onto the slip know. Any idea what's going wrong on why the adjustable dry tag won't stay where I put it? Or, is this expected and you just have to settle on the fact that you have to readjust during a dry dropper session?
Hey JH. Every now and then you will have to check it and re-adjust. But if it keeps slipping, it is caused by a couple of things. 1. Your fly may be too wind-resistant. Just simply casting will pull it down. The force of the cast will do it. 2. Your fly starts "sticking" in the surface because it starts to become waterlogged. As you pull it out, the surface grabs it and pulls it down. Make sure your fly is always riding high and dry on top. This is the biggest problem I see. Hope this helps.
Great video and explanation! Two questions: are you suggesting that you start with 24" below the stopper knot and then shorten it to 12" if needed? Why did you cut below the stopper knot? Second, what length leader do you start with?
Thank you, Mike! It all depends on the depth of the water, but I would start longer than shorten if you have to. 18-24" is a good starting point. I cut below, to show that you can do it if the trout are just under the surface or it is really shallow. You can use this with any leader length. A long-euro leader or a traditional leader.
Hi. Great video. I have used this solution as well but the issue I’ve been having is the dry fly moves when I cast. What kind of tippet material are you using?
It may move every now and then-mostly due to the cast being “forced” or if your fly is super wind resistant. I use a lot of CDC flies and they are more aerodynamic. Just try to keep your cast nice and smooth/easy. Also, when your fly starts to submerge, the water will grab it and pull it down. The tippet I use is Cortland Ultra Premium. Hope this helps and good luck to you.
The length of my dropper doesn't seem to matter. Snarls haunt me. Love the moveable tags. After giving a lot of thought to the dry dropper issue, I've drawn from a few sources, you included, and worked out a simple fly that I think may do the trick. Thinly dubbed abdomen, deer hair wing, a second wing of several preened cul de canard feather tips, and a splash of hot pink filament in front. Thin wire long #14. Have you fished any of the spring-fed streams in the Missouri Ozarks? Enormous springs, some of them
Hey man! Is there a video at all on your channel explaining your leader and line setup (length, strength, etc.) Really interested to see what you like to use.
Love this...the best ideas are the simplest and this is genius, Cory. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Question fro you: What's your recommendation for tippet when making a bunch of these perfection loop dry fly lines to take with me? Would using my 2lb or 4lb trout mono line work? Or, should I make them with a 3, 4, or 5X tippet? Thanks again...gonna put this in play this weekend up on the Upper Owens River.
Thanks so much, Chris! I always match it to the same size tippet I am using. You can certainly use 2lb or 4lb test. Good luck to you and just make sure you keep your dry fly high and dry. Once they get waterlogged, the surface wants to "grab" it and pull it down when you take it out. Tight lines to you!
@@OldDominionTroutBum Thanks for the info. I'll have to try you setup on my next trip. The wild trout rivers where I fish here in California, it's mostly artificial and barbless which I only tie anyway.
I Love the adjustable dry dropper concept, it's a great idea, and thank you for sharing it. My main fear and concern using it would be misssed hook sets on the dry due to the ability of the perfection loop to slide down the line. Has that happened to you, what is your experience?
David, I haven’t noticed missed takes. When you set the hook, there will still be enough tension created to drive your hook home, especially if you are using barbless. Hope this helps and appreciate you watching.
Rock climbers use a similar knot for sliding/gripping knots for ascending ropes called "prusik" knots. It's basically like this except with an extra wrap around the standing line. When the lateral tension is applied, the knot clenches the loops around the standing line and it holds in place. If this concept is reliable enough for climbers to ascend ropes, it'll hold a trout all the same.
Great tip! If you are using a dry dropper in a medium sized stream that you are fishing for the first time, what is your go-to leader/tippet system? 9’ 4x with 12” of 5x so total of 10’? Thx
Thanks, William! I use my long euro leader when fishing dry-dropper. I find it more effective when fishing small to medium-sized streams. If you watch some of my dry-dropper videos, I talk about my leader. I have also done a Micro leader video. Hope this helps. ruclips.net/video/_LsHADwel28/видео.htmlsi=mAWspefjokc-92OH
Thanks. Great idea. Just one question. After you slide up your dropper when moving into deeper water why don't you slide your surgeons know stub up with it ?
Late to the party here, haha. I have what I think is an obvious question but here goes anyway. The dry is now just a dry and not an indicator, correct? Put another way, you’re still fishing a tight line? Thanks for the video, very informative and well done.
Haha, no one is ever late! The dry is definitely the dry. I am expecting to catch fish on both flies. The beauty about using a long, light leader is you can stay tight to it and keep a lot of line off the water. Really a stealthy way to do it. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Cory for your videos, been binge watching your content just subscribed! Two questions 1. On a traditional fly like does the dry fly on a tag reduce strike detection? 2. Any tips on preventing tangles when casting on traditional fly line when using dry off the tag?
Appreciate you binge watching, Sam! The tag doesn’t reduce strike detection at all. You will see plenty. To reduce tangles, you have to slow the cast down and keep it in control. I will add, casting a traditional line with this system can cause your fly to slip back down because of the force of the cast, especially when lifting it out of the water because the surface will “grab” it. So keep it nice and easy. Hope this helps. Thanks for the sub!
Wendy, I use a micro leader most of the time. You can see it here: ruclips.net/video/_LsHADwel28/видео.html And yes-you can use a tippet ring for the stopper. Thanks so much for watching. Tight lines!
Hi, could you please create a video about your fly line? If you have a special nymph line, could you also demonstrate the length of the leader and sighter you use?
I typically fish spring creeks with minimal depth change so I'm not sure on my home streams how much I'd use this system there. But I can see it's use on a few western streams I like to hit. Are there situations where in you find the adjustable system to be a hindrance vs a help and do you find yourself adjusting depth often in some situations vs others?
Andrew, it won’t work if you are throwing large, wind resistant bugs like chubbies or stimulators, etc….they need to aerodynamic. The only time I don’t use it are situations like you described. Other than that, it is a huge help. Just have your dry floating nice and dry. Good luck to you.
It was for demonstration in the video. But you want to start out with 6 inches or so because it is easier to work with. You can always trim to size. Appreciate you watching.
Corey like this and especially the last advice three to four inches max.. question .. what about in example the tandems ( in example Sott from Pa @woods uses) like what's actually better and for which situations besides depth ,, what about fast and slow water situations for tandems tia hope all is well going to west branch eb delaware upper branches this week
Jon, I have never been a fan of tying off the hook bend or hook eye. Your hook up/catch ratio drops. I’ve always like a dropper tag for any type of water. Thanks for watching.
Hey Cory, great video! I understood the whole thing except how you ‘looped in’ the perfection loop to the straight piece of tippet. Can you clarify how you did that? Thanks!
Scott-take the perfection loop piece and lay it behind your main leader (like a cross). Now take then end of the tag and cross it in front of your main leader and put it through the loop. Now pull tight. Hope this helps.
Cory, great suggestion ! I've used the double surgeon stopper for quite a while, but I didn't realize that a perfection loop used directly on tippet would actually keep the dry fly in position. Any problem with this plan using 5x flouro ?
RJF, you can use whatever size tippet you prefer. You just have to make sure your dry stays nice and dry and riding high. Every now and then you will have to slide it back into place because once your dry gets waterlogged, the surface will want to "grab" it and pull it down.
Abraam, it will slide occasionally and you will have to readjust. But it’s due to 2 things. When you are casting “hard” or when your dry becomes partially submerged and the surface grabs it. Just make nice and easy casts and make sure your dry is riding high and dry. Appreciate you watching.
Ryan, I like it on the tag for multiple reasons. 1. To have it adjustable it needs to be on a tag. 2. Your fly moves more freely by itself. 3. There isn't any line in the way that can cause a missed fish. 4. When you change your dry, you don't have to tie two knots. 5. If you don't use an adjustable system, you can change really quick from a double nymph rig. Hope this helps.
What's the advantage over just tying a clinch knot around the tippet? Does the loop method hold the dry's position better? Is it stronger? Or something else?
Martin, I’m not a fan of the clinch for a couple of reasons. 1. When you slide it up and down, it kinks up your main line pretty bad because it is too tight too it. And 2. When you have to cut it off to put a new one on, it’s hard because the knot is tight to the main line. Hope this helps.
Jason, the reason I don't like the clinch is the knot cinches down too tight and it's harder to move. It ends up "kinking" up the line when you move it. The perfection loop is much easier on your tippet and easier to move. You have to re-adjust it every now and then when the water grabs your dry-but it really works great. Hope this helps.
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I tried this set-up earlier this week. I was a little skeptical about catching fish on the perfection loop tag and how sensitive this set-up would be. Well... this will be my set-up moving forward. I had an epic day, catching 15"-19" browns and cutties on both flies. The ease of being able to adjust the tag to fish at different depths was a huge bonus. THANK YOU, CORY!!
Glad it worked for you, Brandon. Having the ability to adjust depths is key. Congrats on an awesome day. Continued success to you!
I've been fly fishing for over 50 years. Still learning... Thanks for a great tip!
Me too, Dan. We can never stop! Thanks for watching and tight lines to you!
Cory, I like this. NW Flyfishing uses this with triple surgeon knots tied off at interval. Either works but I like your way to slide it up to your point of choice and let the fish pull it down to the stopper. Thanks for the pointers
Glad you like it, William. Good luck with it and thanks so much for watching!
When Cory talks people listen! Thanks Cory!!
Haha-Appreciate it, Joe! Thanks so much for watching!
This is genius! I'll be utilizing this system from now on.Thanks for all the other tidbits of information about dropper length, etc.
Thank you, Mr. Blue Sky. Glad it was helpful. Appreciate you watching and tight lines to you!
That’s versatile-thanks for the video.
Good luck with it, Edge. Thanks for watching.
So awesome. Love all your videos. They've helped me so much
Glad they are helpful. Really appreciate you watching.
Excellent! For your next instructional video, the lit cigar would be a nice touch. Lol.
Haha-I just might do that, Roland! Appreciate you watching.
Cory, you did it again! Your stuff is always on point and super helpful
Glad it’s helpful, Mike. Hope you have been getting out. Tight lines to you!
@@OldDominionTroutBum I have been averaging at least 1/week for over a year now! Was just up in State College PA with Domenick from Troutbitten and I told him about how much your videos and messages have helped me.
Valuable information for both the new,and the old angler! Fine video! Cheers.
Glad it is helpful, Raymond! Appreciate you watching. Cheers and tight lines to you!
This might just be the game changer I was looking for, I’m definitely going to give this a shot. Thank you!
Glad you like it! Good luck to you and thanks for watching.
Another pearl. Thanks for sharing
Appreciate it, Brad! Thanks for watching.
New to fly fishing, been having some success but this is going to be a game changer! It's been getting annoying clipping and retying knots on my dry droppers while I'm wading especially when it's windy, this is going to help tremendously! Thanks for the tips Cory, tight lines!
Glad you have been having success, Jacob! And glad this is helpful. Continued success with your fly fishing journey. Tight lines to you!
Thanks a lot for sharing your system with us Cory...been looking for a reliable solution for adjustable dry-dropper river fishing for wild fish, specifically with smaller flies and tippet diameters...appreciate the simplicity and flexibility your system offers...and I know I can trust its effectiveness with hook-ups etc based on your own experience...very helpful as always.
Happy to share, TK. Hope the season has been good to you. Thanks so much for watching and tight lines, my friend!
Another great tip from the master! Thanks Cory!
Haha-appreciate it!
Genius, going to try this ASAP . Thanks for the great content
Appreciate you watching, Neil. Good luck to you!
I struggle at first but them I got a system going and now I've tied a dozen of them and I'll do like you and store them in my vest. Thanx for the tutorial .tight lines.
Glad it was helpful, Kenneth. Good luck to you and tight lines!
Awesome tip. I'm going to use it for my double nymph rigs as well. Will save me a ton of time on the water.
It will definitely work on your double nymph rigs. Good luck to you and thanks for watching!
Looks plenty simple. Will give it a go! Thanks much!
Good luck to you and thanks for watching!
Love this idea. Tied one up tonight and will fish it tomorrow.
Good luck with it, Paul!
This is a fantastic video. Thanks so much for posting it. Incredibly useful. Can't wait to prep some of these set-ups and watch more of your videos.
Thank you, Ray. Glad it is useful. Appreciate you watching the channel and good luck to you!
This is a great tip, thanks!!
Thanks, Jeffrey! Good luck to you.
Great tip/ trick for the varying depth dropper system. Thanks!
Appreciate you watching, Alan. Tight lines!
I am definitely gonna start doing this . Thanks for the great info . 👍🏻
Good luck to you, John. Appreciate you watching!
Thanks Cory! As always, your gold nuggets of information are always on point 👏🏼😎
You are welcome, Steve. Glad it’s helpful!
Thanks Bruh. Solid.
Appreciate it, Ken. Thanks for watching.
That’s a good 1, Cory. Like those easy in stream adjustments. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Anthony. Appreciate you watching!
Excellent advice and much appreciated down under in NZ.
Glad it is helpful, John. Tight lines to you, Mate!
Corey, it's time for these on the Kings River here in Ca and I tied up a bunch for clients. Great video. Tight lines.
Love it, Scott! Appreciate you watching. Good luck and tight lines for you and your clients!
This is a solid rigging tip! Thanks man!
Appreciate it, Michael. Thanks for watching!
Hey Cory,
I am very interested in watching and seeing how this work. Keep up the great content. You have done a wonderful job with your channel over the years and are building something special, I hope you can see that. Tight lines my friend and hope to share a stream with you sometime.
Really appreciate the kind words, Mike. Thanks for watching from the beginning.
This will work great for you, especially when you are brookie fishing and a using a ton of dry-dropper.
Hope this season has been good to you, my friend. And I’ll sure our paths will cross out on the stream. Tight lines to you, as well!
Awesome. That's my set up for euro nymph.
Appreciate you watching, G!
Great tutorial. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks so much. Appreciate you watching, Old Smuggler.
Nice job Cory. I've used the loop but never thought of sliding it up as an adjustable dropper. Dang...we need rain! Tightlines!
Thank you, Craig. Appreciate you watching. And YES-we need some rain bad! Tight lines, my friend!
Absolute game changer. Thank you!
Glad it is helpful, Brack. Appreciate you watching.
Thanks for this video ( and all your others). It's amazing how fly fishers get to the same place using different methods. I tie a tippet ring on the end of my dry- dropper hoppers and then it's easy to adjust the depth. Just clip off the old and tie in a new length of tippet and your ready. Starting in a couple of weeks I'll use this almost exclusively on small Western rivers and streams.
you use a tippet ring in the fly? Or do I misunderstand? (at that point, why not tie off the bend?)
Sounds like a good one, William. We can all learn from one another. It’s what makes this sport so great. Good luck to you!
Great idea 😊 thanks for some great content
Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate you watching!
New Sub here. Loved this! Very helpful idea! Thank you!
Appreciate the sub, Noel! Good luck to you and thanks for watching!
Great video Cory a lots of good information like how you put that out for us to learn those technics for sure, helpful no doubt thanks
Happy to help, Kim. Appreciate you watching!
Nice one, been looking for an easy way to do this, for long time!
Glad it was helpful, Grant. Tight lines to you!
Thats genius! Thank you.
Glad it is helpful, Frederick. Tight lines to you.
Great tip Cory!!!! I have never tried that, though about it .. I like that system I’d use that all the time!!!!
Thanks, Scott! Appreciate it. Hope you have been getting out!
I was literally fishing yesterday wishing for a simple and reliable adjustable dry/dropper rig. I rarely fish dry/droppers because of the depth variability issues you describe, and when I do I struggle with dialing in a fixed depth for my nymph. I'm gonna give this shot next time.
Glad you found this. Good luck with this and let me know how you do. Tight lines to you!
Great stuff...maybe for a "short" but I would love to see how your do a Davy on stream. Thanks as always!!
Thanks so much! Here is a great video on the Davy:
ruclips.net/video/-NTVZAZ0xQA/видео.html
Appreciate you watching!
@@OldDominionTroutBum thanks. The mechanics of the knot I get but with fine tippet on-stream somehow another game. Guess I need plunge style hackle pliers…
I’ve never even seen 7x. Good stuff thanks
Oh yes. Every top manufacture of tippet has 7x. Appreciate you watching.
Great idea I will definitely be trying this thanks
Let me know how you do, James. Good luck to you!
excellent video, thanks for sharing your experience. Great channel
Thank you, Randall. Happy to help and appreciate you watching!
Great insight 👍what size tippet do you premake your perfection loops with. Thank you for sharing your talents 🪰
Appreciate it! I tied them in whatever size tippet I’ll be using that day. Normally 6x. Thanks for watching!
Hey Cory! Cool idea! Lack of adjustability is the main reason why I will fish an indicator instead of a dry fly in some of these situations. This obviously solves that which is super cool. I'm wondering if you have tried doing a similar thing as this using a uni knot, similar to what you would do when adding a backing barrel? They are adjustable and you could leave a tag for the dry fly. I'm guessing it would be kind of hard to get the tension right with fine tippet compared to your method. I might give it a try and see what happens. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Eric. I don't like using the uni because it is a little too tight for lighter tippet. When you slide it up and down, it will kink up your tippet. The perfection loop is easier on it. This will definitely work for you. Just make sure you keep your dry fly nice and dry. If it gets a little wet and sinks, the surface will "grab" it and want to pull it down. Good luck to you and I appreciate you watching!
First, I am a big fan, thank you for the great content. With making fishing easier, Dr. Paul Gaskell teaches a ladder leader, which is a series of figure 8 knots that you tie in several places in the point or main line. So you can move your tags wherever you need. I have been using this and moving tags around is fast from a foot of water to four. The plus is that the perfection loop spins on the main line also making for less unwanted knots
Appreciate you being a fan, Rob. That sounds like a fantastic way. That’s the great thing about this sport, we can learn so much from one another. Thanks so much for watching and tight lines to you.
Hi Rob. Can you kindly post the ladder video? I could not locate it. Thanks in advance.
very clever. will try it next time🤙
Thanks for watching, Kristian!
Getting ready to try a hopper dropper. Awesome info as always. Can’t wait to give this a go and see how it works. Keep posting I’ll keep watching. Tight lines friend.
Let me know how you do. Good luck to you and thanks for watching! Tight Lines to you as well!
Made it up to Pine Creek Wednesday. Didn’t have a fire day but didn’t do bad either. We need rain in the worst way. Finished the day out on Penns on my local stretch on top. Did fantastic.
Thanks Cory as always great information
Sure thing, Mike. Thanks so much for watching. Tight lines to you.
Question for ya , have you ever had any issues with hook ups on the dry . Does the perfection loop ever loosen on the line and lead to a softer hook set because of the loop sliding down the line until it hits that stopper knot or has that not been a problem ?
Great video ! And I can’t wait to give this system a go . Cheers
Chris, I have no problem with hook ups. The tension created from the surface and the rod hook set are all you need.
On a side note, every now and then the dropper will slide if it partially submerged and the water "grabs" it and pulls it down when you lift it out of the water. Make sure your dry is riding high and you will be fine.
Good luck and thanks for watching. Tight lines.
Great advice cory thanks👍🛋
Appreciate you watching, Daryl. Tight lines to you.
I use this system for steelhead with weight on the bottom and fly on the tag and the loop lands all of them. I also keep my tags in a used plastic extra gum containers keeps them neat. Thanks for expanding my knowledge, great idea.
Perfect testimony on how they hold, Kyle. And the gum containers are a great idea. Thanks for watching!
You have helped me understand hopper dropper rigs and especially the adjustable hopper. Thankyou Mike USAF Ret
Glad it is helpful, Mike. Thank you for your service!!
Great tip
Thanks so much, Ken!
I am 70 years old. I have fished the exact, usually, places you record. I fish with you, I tie with you and I thank you. (Forcepts)
Happy to help, Johnny! I hope to see you out on the stream someday. Tight lines to you!
Really cool idea and easy to follow Cory thank's for sharing big like from me bud tight line's and catch you on the next video 🎣🤝👍
Thanks, David. Glad it’s helpful. Appreciate your comment and tight lines to you!
Great video!
Thanks so much!
Cool, nice to see someone else is doing this besides me. I pre-tie them and place them in medicine pill pouches just like when you pull out a new leader making very small loops to keep the single dropper together placing about 10 in a pill pouch. 😉
Excellent idea, Douglas! Appreciate you watching and tight lines to you!
Nice , I also use this as a drop shot rig weight on bottom flies above easy to change tags when they get to short . Thanks for sharing.
It’s does work great like that as well, Mike. Appreciate you watching!
I have always used a stopper knots to for building tag rigs. But I have always relied on multiple stopper knots for the different depths. I think having a SINGLE stopper knot as you showed is genius, because the ones above 1 foot are really not necessary andt he line is so much "cleaner". Cory, a big thanks for your tips. By the way, I just use a figure 8 knot instead of building it with 2 separate lines and cutting the tags off. What do you think? I also use a Double Davy above the knot as it is smaller, gathers less moss, and seconds to tie. For the tag, I use the DD because it requires less length than the 16/20 knot (as little as 3") which is a plus when the tag gets shorter and shorter.
Glad you like the video. I am a big fan of the figure 8. I use it often. I am also a fan of the Davy knot. It is what I use to tie my tippet to my fly.
Appreciate you watching and Tight lines!
I just recently switched to that c&f pack also, loving it so far. I replaced the neck strap with Paracord and foam from another old lanyard for better comfort
I’ve been using it a lot this spring and loving it, as well. So nice to go so light on the stream. Sound like a nice idea with the neck strap. Appreciate you watching.
@@OldDominionTroutBum i've seen a few spanish and french comp guys who use this chest box too, and they've found interesting ways to rig it with the back panel from umpqua, W&J, and one even made a back pocket out of the new patagonia stealth work station.
i'm gonna give the chest box & lumbar pack a try this summer for wet wading, when i don't need to carry extra layers,
Wow I just learned a lot watching this, so much I'll need to watch it a couple times to digest. Just a Philly native hack here who fishes upstate Pocono & Allegheny mountain areas since a teenager with both spin & fly. I basically work pools upstream stripping wooly buggers/worms, streamers & muddlers on 3 ft. of 4 lb. test that I cut tied to a metal loop connector. I'm only targeting aggressive fish, then I move on to the next pool. I have no patience for the match-the-hatch technique which is probably my ultimate downfall. Shame on me. LOL.
Joey, everyone has their way that makes them happy. That's all that matters! You fish in some great area. Appreciate you watching and good luck to you!
Very handy -- thanks!
Thanks for watching, Robert!
Very informative video. Thank you but I would like to see you more on the streams. God bless great job.
Thank you, Rich! Perhaps one day, we will see one another. Tight lines to you!
Hey Cory - I tried doing this the other day and I found when I raised the dropper perfection loop above the slip knot to change the depth of my point nymph, the dry dropper tag it would only stay for a few casts before eventually slipping back onto the slip know. Any idea what's going wrong on why the adjustable dry tag won't stay where I put it? Or, is this expected and you just have to settle on the fact that you have to readjust during a dry dropper session?
Hey JH. Every now and then you will have to check it and re-adjust. But if it keeps slipping, it is caused by a couple of things.
1. Your fly may be too wind-resistant. Just simply casting will pull it down. The force of the cast will do it.
2. Your fly starts "sticking" in the surface because it starts to become waterlogged. As you pull it out, the surface grabs it and pulls it down. Make sure your fly is always riding high and dry on top. This is the biggest problem I see.
Hope this helps.
Great video and explanation! Two questions: are you suggesting that you start with 24" below the stopper knot and then shorten it to 12" if needed? Why did you cut below the stopper knot?
Second, what length leader do you start with?
Thank you, Mike! It all depends on the depth of the water, but I would start longer than shorten if you have to. 18-24" is a good starting point. I cut below, to show that you can do it if the trout are just under the surface or it is really shallow.
You can use this with any leader length. A long-euro leader or a traditional leader.
Hi. Great video. I have used this solution as well but the issue I’ve been having is the dry fly moves when I cast. What kind of tippet material are you using?
It may move every now and then-mostly due to the cast being “forced” or if your fly is super wind resistant. I use a lot of CDC flies and they are more aerodynamic. Just try to keep your cast nice and smooth/easy. Also, when your fly starts to submerge, the water will grab it and pull it down.
The tippet I use is Cortland Ultra Premium. Hope this helps and good luck to you.
The length of my dropper doesn't seem to matter. Snarls haunt me. Love the moveable tags.
After giving a lot of thought to the dry dropper issue, I've drawn from a few sources, you included, and worked out a simple fly that I think may do the trick. Thinly dubbed abdomen, deer hair wing, a second wing of several preened cul de canard feather tips, and a splash of hot pink filament in front. Thin wire long #14.
Have you fished any of the spring-fed streams in the Missouri Ozarks? Enormous springs, some of them
Sounds like a winner to me, Larry. I have not fished the Ozarks. So many places to go, so little time!
Hey man! Is there a video at all on your channel explaining your leader and line setup (length, strength, etc.) Really interested to see what you like to use.
Liam, you can see it here:
ruclips.net/video/_LsHADwel28/видео.htmlsi=TwNHma1mXC0f0Kbi
Appreciate you watching.
Love learning from you1
Glad the videos are helpful, John. Thanks for watching!
Going to try the crap out of this next time I go! I am in love with a dry dropper for the summer.
Haha-Good luck to you, Joshua! It is a fun way to fish. Appreciate you watching!
@@OldDominionTroutBum what about a prusik knot and some leader tied to it? Do you think that might work?
@@joshuawilliams1893 it certainly could work-but I do prefer the small perfection.
Fantastic vid.....
Thanks so much! Appreciate you watching!
Love this...the best ideas are the simplest and this is genius, Cory. Thanks for sharing your expertise. Question fro you: What's your recommendation for tippet when making a bunch of these perfection loop dry fly lines to take with me? Would using my 2lb or 4lb trout mono line work? Or, should I make them with a 3, 4, or 5X tippet? Thanks again...gonna put this in play this weekend up on the Upper Owens River.
Thanks so much, Chris! I always match it to the same size tippet I am using. You can certainly use 2lb or 4lb test. Good luck to you and just make sure you keep your dry fly high and dry. Once they get waterlogged, the surface wants to "grab" it and pull it down when you take it out. Tight lines to you!
Thanks for the idea Cory. Will the sliding dropper for the dry fly affect a hook set?
It doesn’t affect it at all, BP. You will still have enough tension when you set the hook and drive it home, especially if you use barbless hooks.
@@OldDominionTroutBum Thanks for the info. I'll have to try you setup on my next trip. The wild trout rivers where I fish here in California, it's mostly artificial and barbless which I only tie anyway.
I Love the adjustable dry dropper concept, it's a great idea, and thank you for sharing it. My main fear and concern using it would be misssed hook sets on the dry due to the ability of the perfection loop to slide down the line. Has that happened to you, what is your experience?
David, I haven’t noticed missed takes. When you set the hook, there will still be enough tension created to drive your hook home, especially if you are using barbless. Hope this helps and appreciate you watching.
Rock climbers use a similar knot for sliding/gripping knots for ascending ropes called "prusik" knots. It's basically like this except with an extra wrap around the standing line. When the lateral tension is applied, the knot clenches the loops around the standing line and it holds in place. If this concept is reliable enough for climbers to ascend ropes, it'll hold a trout all the same.
Excellent example. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
Great tip! If you are using a dry dropper in a medium sized stream that you are fishing for the first time, what is your go-to leader/tippet system? 9’ 4x with 12” of 5x so total of 10’? Thx
Thanks, William! I use my long euro leader when fishing dry-dropper. I find it more effective when fishing small to medium-sized streams. If you watch some of my dry-dropper videos, I talk about my leader. I have also done a Micro leader video.
Hope this helps.
ruclips.net/video/_LsHADwel28/видео.htmlsi=mAWspefjokc-92OH
Thanks. Great idea. Just one question. After you slide up your dropper when moving into deeper water why don't you slide your surgeons know stub up with it ?
The surgeons knot is a permanent knot, it connects 2 lines together like when adding tippet to your leader.
@@jameshill8548 Doh ! Of course.
Haha. Appreciate y’all watching!
Great video. Could this also be used for a double nymph rig?
Thanks, Michael. Absolutely you can do it for a double nymph rig.
No issues setting the hook on the dry with that extra slack?
Zero issues. The tension created by the fish and the water as you set the hook, easily drives it home.
Late to the party here, haha. I have what I think is an obvious question but here goes anyway. The dry is now just a dry and not an indicator, correct? Put another way, you’re still fishing a tight line? Thanks for the video, very informative and well done.
Haha, no one is ever late! The dry is definitely the dry. I am expecting to catch fish on both flies. The beauty about using a long, light leader is you can stay tight to it and keep a lot of line off the water. Really a stealthy way to do it. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Cory for your videos, been binge watching your content just subscribed! Two questions
1. On a traditional fly like does the dry fly on a tag reduce strike detection?
2. Any tips on preventing tangles when casting on traditional fly line when using dry off the tag?
Appreciate you binge watching, Sam!
The tag doesn’t reduce strike detection at all. You will see plenty.
To reduce tangles, you have to slow the cast down and keep it in control.
I will add, casting a traditional line with this system can cause your fly to slip back down because of the force of the cast, especially when lifting it out of the water because the surface will “grab” it. So keep it nice and easy.
Hope this helps. Thanks for the sub!
@@OldDominionTroutBum appreciate the response Cory!
What leader formula do you like for this rig? And can a tippet ring act as a stopper for the sliding loop instead of a knot? Thanks. Great idea!
Wendy, I use a micro leader most of the time. You can see it here:
ruclips.net/video/_LsHADwel28/видео.html
And yes-you can use a tippet ring for the stopper.
Thanks so much for watching. Tight lines!
Hi, could you please create a video about your fly line? If you have a special nymph line, could you also demonstrate the length of the leader and sighter you use?
Here is a video on my setup:
ruclips.net/video/MQU6YlWw8yY/видео.html
It's also in the description. Hope this helps and thanks for watching.
I typically fish spring creeks with minimal depth change so I'm not sure on my home streams how much I'd use this system there. But I can see it's use on a few western streams I like to hit. Are there situations where in you find the adjustable system to be a hindrance vs a help and do you find yourself adjusting depth often in some situations vs others?
Andrew, it won’t work if you are throwing large, wind resistant bugs like chubbies or stimulators, etc….they need to aerodynamic.
The only time I don’t use it are situations like you described. Other than that, it is a huge help. Just have your dry floating nice and dry. Good luck to you.
Very good idea, but the tag your doung looks larger then 5 or 6 x, was it for demonstration purpose for video?
It was for demonstration in the video. But you want to start out with 6 inches or so because it is easier to work with. You can always trim to size. Appreciate you watching.
Corey like this and especially the last advice three to four inches max.. question .. what about in example the tandems ( in example Sott from Pa @woods uses) like what's actually better and for which situations besides depth ,, what about fast and slow water situations for tandems tia hope all is well going to west branch eb delaware upper branches this week
Jon, I have never been a fan of tying off the hook bend or hook eye. Your hook up/catch ratio drops. I’ve always like a dropper tag for any type of water. Thanks for watching.
@@OldDominionTroutBum makes sense.. I'm going to try this versatile adjustment method .. understand it's easy too
Hey Cory, great video! I understood the whole thing except how you ‘looped in’ the perfection loop to the straight piece of tippet. Can you clarify how you did that? Thanks!
Same here. I hope he answers this question.
Scott-take the perfection loop piece and lay it behind your main leader (like a cross). Now take then end of the tag and cross it in front of your main leader and put it through the loop. Now pull tight.
Hope this helps.
Dave-see below....
I can't believe no one said 'that's what she said'..... so there, I've said it.
Also, this is a fantastic idea! Thank you sir
HAHA! Love a good Michael Scott reference! Appreciate you watching, Rob. Tight lines to you.
@@OldDominionTroutBum I'm glad you got the reference Corey! Funny stuff right there 👍
Cory, great suggestion ! I've used the double surgeon stopper for quite a while, but I didn't realize that a perfection loop used directly on tippet would actually keep the dry fly in position. Any problem with this plan using 5x flouro ?
RJF, you can use whatever size tippet you prefer. You just have to make sure your dry stays nice and dry and riding high. Every now and then you will have to slide it back into place because once your dry gets waterlogged, the surface will want to "grab" it and pull it down.
Nice video bud! Which model c&f pack is that you’re using?
Thanks Rick. It’s the Large C&F chest pack. Appreciate you watching!
I like the way think 🤔👌🏼
Appreciate it, Robert!
Thanks for the video. Do you find that the dryfly/tag will slide down to the knot below when false casting?
Abraam, it will slide occasionally and you will have to readjust. But it’s due to 2 things. When you are casting “hard” or when your dry becomes partially submerged and the surface grabs it. Just make nice and easy casts and make sure your dry is riding high and dry.
Appreciate you watching.
@@OldDominionTroutBum - Makes sense. Thanks for the tip. Will try it out this weekend. 👍
Hi Cory why do you prefer the dry on a tag as opposed to the nymph being attached to the hook bend in a dry dropper rig?
Ryan, I like it on the tag for multiple reasons. 1. To have it adjustable it needs to be on a tag. 2. Your fly moves more freely by itself. 3. There isn't any line in the way that can cause a missed fish. 4. When you change your dry, you don't have to tie two knots. 5. If you don't use an adjustable system, you can change really quick from a double nymph rig. Hope this helps.
What's the advantage over just tying a clinch knot around the tippet? Does the loop method hold the dry's position better? Is it stronger? Or something else?
Martin, I’m not a fan of the clinch for a couple of reasons. 1. When you slide it up and down, it kinks up your main line pretty bad because it is too tight too it. And 2. When you have to cut it off to put a new one on, it’s hard because the knot is tight to the main line. Hope this helps.
Do you think tying the tag on with a clinch knot would be much different that the loop?
Jason, the reason I don't like the clinch is the knot cinches down too tight and it's harder to move. It ends up "kinking" up the line when you move it. The perfection loop is much easier on your tippet and easier to move. You have to re-adjust it every now and then when the water grabs your dry-but it really works great. Hope this helps.
Do you ever have issues with friction cutting your flouro line when the perfection loop slips down to the triple surgeons knot?
I don’t, Shawn. Make sure you wet it before you slide it. When a fish hits it-it’s already wet, so it is good as well.
we used to bait rig our spinning rods like that when we were kids.
Very cool, Rhonda. Appreciate you watching.