Interesting to see. I am absolutely still loving the wheel module as a disabled gamer, who loves racing games. Hopefully sometime someday, one of the manufacturers will simply create a wheel itself with gas and brake being extra paddles, in addition to the paddles for shift up and down. Thus negating the use for traditional foot pedals Very interesting indeed to see the results.
Hey Matt. If you're willing to get a bit deep, this is totally doable. I made my own DIY 20nm direct drive wheel, my own load cell based pedals, hand brake ect. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a wheel with two extra analog axis as paddles for gas/brake. Either big stationary paddles like an old WRC shifter, or even regular type disability hand controls.
Additionally to the 3DRap kit someone else mentioned, using a flight sim stick is another great budget option. Its the route one of my friends went with.
I found your channel while looking for codes for custom maps when I came across your “Building Tsukuba in FH5” video, Awesome track! I love being able to drift Tsukuba, brings me back to my ps3 days playing GT5. That being said I’ve found a lot of Ebisu Minami recreations but haven’t found any Ebisu Matsuri recreations. In addition I loved your Tsukuba recreations so much I believe you could made a spot on Ebisu Matsuri recreation thanks for your time!
For me, my sim rig can be faster FH5 but it is very car dependent. High grip pointy cars and those that can balance really well with just a tiny bit of slip angle I can set faster times on a wheel because of the more direct control and being able to balance on a knifes edge better. When getting into more power builds or cars that are more prone to snapping however I cannot push to the fullest as I find it hard to catch their oversteer on a wheel compared to controller. I would imagine some of this has to do with my tendency to tap steer instead of roll so could see this wheel module bridging that gap that I have when it gets into those more pointy cars.
Thank you for the detailed review! Been debating getting controller for a month or so and have been hesitant as I does feel like I will have to "relearn" the game but you know, maybe that isn't a bad thing. Kind of make the game feel fresh again.
Took me a bit to get used to the shorter triggers but for forza I think its made me better on the brakes. Weirdly enough I have a better feel with less pull. I did not think I would like them but am surprised.
I just had my controller come in a few days ago. I'm still messing with the thrustmaster mapping to dial it in for drifting on FH5. Would love some tips if you have started playing around with it more.
this gamepad (eswap S) is the best controller ive ever had, and i had them all.... BUT the sticks after about 30 hours get those weird digital stick drift or whatever it is... very frustrating because i bought 4 additional sticks from thrustmaster and all of them are broken, even the colored ones. warranty is 90 days i think, correct me if im wrong but thats without stick drift issues. i hope this wheel add on is more reliable than those sticks 👍🏻
I was surprised to see you driving with automatic shifting. I use a more sequential shifter with the right stick. Up is down shift and down is up shift. Way better than paddle shifting, at least for me.
Could you try using gyro controls in a future video to see if it compares? It would be really interesting to see a totally different approach used to play FH5 & AC
I've tried myself and dear god is it tough to get right I legitimately had to go into my PS controller settings and tune the gyro *just right* to make it even work, and even then, it's not detected as a wheel
It might be a nice option, but after playing with this device for a while, any further rotation, you'd have to keep changing your thumb position on the wheel.
20 years ago manufacturers made hand held mini wheels designed for racing. I had two for original playstation. Worded better than sticks and fit perfectly like rc controllers .
Thanks for this video. Have you tried this controller with the new Forza Motorsport? I'm curious to know your thoughts on it with that game. Also, I don't know if you've used it enough to run into this, but I've seen a number of people mention that the sticks begin to drift after a few months of use. Thanks for any feedback you may be able to provide.
Have you tried the wheel module in the upper left slot with thumb and forefinger grip? I would think this would give much more precise control than rolling with the thumb only. Function would be more like an RC car. I'm still trying to decide on whether to get this controller or just get a wheel set. I don't see why a wheel set would be slower than a stick controller on Forza? Any theories on this?
Looks awesome could you test it out with some motorcycle sims? Ride 4, MotoGP, Isle of Man TT, SBK 22? I'm curious how it would work in those sorts of games. Thanks.
Shouldn't wheel be theoretically the fastest since you've got direct control of the wheels or am I once again high on copium. Drifting is very smooth once you get the right settings, but rolling sticks can get you just as smooth on controller
In racing sims wheels will always be fastest, but in arcade/simcade games like Horizon controllers have the advantage for a couple of reasons - largely because of the built in "assists" that the game uses to translate joystick movement to steering input, and also because a joystick can steer faster than a real wheel (for example on a real wheel it takes a second or two to go from full left to full right lock, on joysticks its a fraction of a second) so it effectively improves steering reaction time
It's definitely a controller for bigger hands IMO. The grips that come with it are hard plastic, not rubberized like they kinda look but I honestly like that - for example I really don't like the rubber grips on the Elite Series 2
Thats the shortest road rivals track in the rally expansion, so my friends and I played it for the first couple of weeks or so. Was top 3, but at the time of writing this, dropped to top 10 😅
Yes, the original AC works fine with a controller when using Content Manager and custom controller settings, but HokiHoshi was playing ACC in this, and it's less forgiving with controllers.
It's kinda sad that the full steering wheel is almost always going to be slower on any forza game, same on the motorsport ones as well. I Love what assetto corsa and ACC have done with the steering wheel, my times are much more consistent and driving is truly challenging and engaging.
You need retting for standard Controller! I use Joystick same as you do with that wheel module (basically press it forward and just roll left and right to simulate wheel) it is not as easy since this module you can actually steer and not roll but is 85% similar experience. Shame that eSwap controller is not Wireless otherwise would get it immediately!
Not something I'd personally buy due to the sheer price of it but it's a very strong contender if it was on Discount and I wanted an Elite alternative. Even if the Swapping and Wheel module doesn't justify the full price it's something I do very much like and having it be wired is more convenient for me. Also I just love how it looks and the chunky nature of it.
@@Jack-ht2gr just like Scuf Gaming lol Their Special Pro Controller is $220 for base and even just repainting the Faceplate is $10-20 with $5-10 for colour changes of other items. They even charge you $10 to remove the Rumble Motors for Vibration O_o
This wheel module does have a slower response time to the movement than a knob. This is a somewhat Forza related issue. On AC this problem does not exist. Because of that lag cars in Forza respond in a sluggish way. Movement around the centre of the wheel is dead in Forza and it can't be dialled out with any calibration. It just shows that the game was made for the regular controller, not the wheel module. AC is with proper in-game configuration and thrustmaster calibration to give more movement resolution around the centre of a wheel makes game playable but it is still not a replacement for a proper wheel. In summary, this wheel module is a gimmick. The rest of the controller is surely an improvement over standard Xbox controller. Brake, throttle and knobs have far more precission and give extra controllability in the game. But does this give a Thrustmaster an edge over Elite series? 🤔
I kept breaking my xbox controllers because it seems like their quality has gone down - was looking at this controller but went with the Logitech F310. The Logitech is an extremely solid controller for $20
Tp for driving with with analog stick - use UP for centered position. It is SO MUCH EASIER to get micro adjustments when you hold UP and move ever so slightly to the side than leaving it centered and having to move it to the side a little, then pulling it off to the center then moving it to the side a little then pulling it off to the center then pul....you get the idea, just don't do that. Use UP position instead of leaving it centered (default)
good concept, terribly executed. I got stick drift in the first week. Big minus for being wired aswell. Went back to a semi-broken S2, ordered another one and keep sending them in before the warranty of one year instead of three months on the xr pro.
Interesting to see. I am absolutely still loving the wheel module as a disabled gamer, who loves racing games.
Hopefully sometime someday, one of the manufacturers will simply create a wheel itself with gas and brake being extra paddles, in addition to the paddles for shift up and down. Thus negating the use for traditional foot pedals
Very interesting indeed to see the results.
The Fanatec McLaren GT3 wheel has clutch pedals on the wheel, with a setting on the wheel itself to re-map them to gas and brake.
Hey Matt. If you're willing to get a bit deep, this is totally doable. I made my own DIY 20nm direct drive wheel, my own load cell based pedals, hand brake ect. It wouldn't be difficult at all to make a wheel with two extra analog axis as paddles for gas/brake. Either big stationary paddles like an old WRC shifter, or even regular type disability hand controls.
@@bennyb.1742 hey, sorry to bother but do you have a discord or something? i'm also disabled and very curious about this
There's a throttle and brake hand controller made by 3DRap, maybe that helps?
Additionally to the 3DRap kit someone else mentioned, using a flight sim stick is another great budget option. Its the route one of my friends went with.
Thank you for making this comparison . You are the only one on RUclips to do this . Convinced me to get the wheel module controller . Thanks again !
(he says as he aggressively oversteers)
I found your channel while looking for codes for custom maps when I came across your “Building Tsukuba in FH5” video, Awesome track! I love being able to drift Tsukuba, brings me back to my ps3 days playing GT5.
That being said I’ve found a lot of Ebisu Minami recreations but haven’t found any Ebisu Matsuri recreations. In addition I loved your Tsukuba recreations so much I believe you could made a spot on Ebisu Matsuri recreation thanks for your time!
Ebisu Matsuri is an event not a track, at Matsuri people drift on all the different Ebisu courses.
For me, my sim rig can be faster FH5 but it is very car dependent. High grip pointy cars and those that can balance really well with just a tiny bit of slip angle I can set faster times on a wheel because of the more direct control and being able to balance on a knifes edge better. When getting into more power builds or cars that are more prone to snapping however I cannot push to the fullest as I find it hard to catch their oversteer on a wheel compared to controller. I would imagine some of this has to do with my tendency to tap steer instead of roll so could see this wheel module bridging that gap that I have when it gets into those more pointy cars.
I think it'd be interesting to give something like this a shot in a very arcade setting like Trackmania maybe.
Thank you for the detailed review! Been debating getting controller for a month or so and have been hesitant as I does feel like I will have to "relearn" the game but you know, maybe that isn't a bad thing. Kind of make the game feel fresh again.
Took me a bit to get used to the shorter triggers but for forza I think its made me better on the brakes. Weirdly enough I have a better feel with less pull. I did not think I would like them but am surprised.
I just had my controller come in a few days ago. I'm still messing with the thrustmaster mapping to dial it in for drifting on FH5. Would love some tips if you have started playing around with it more.
The first game I would try this on is art of rally
this gamepad (eswap S) is the best controller ive ever had, and i had them all.... BUT the sticks after about 30 hours get those weird digital stick drift or whatever it is... very frustrating because i bought 4 additional sticks from thrustmaster and all of them are broken, even the colored ones. warranty is 90 days i think, correct me if im wrong but thats without stick drift issues. i hope this wheel add on is more reliable than those sticks 👍🏻
Can you get aftermarket hall effect sticks?
@@neblolthecarnerd i dont think, cause they are magnetic connected to the controller
@@marcofolie90 could you replace it inside the module itself?
@@neblolthecarnerd really dont know, sorry
I was surprised to see you driving with automatic shifting. I use a more sequential shifter with the right stick. Up is down shift and down is up shift. Way better than paddle shifting, at least for me.
Could you try using gyro controls in a future video to see if it compares? It would be really interesting to see a totally different approach used to play FH5 & AC
I've tried myself and dear god is it tough to get right
I legitimately had to go into my PS controller settings and tune the gyro *just right* to make it even work, and even then, it's not detected as a wheel
@@aurastrike I think CM in AC now has a script for gyrosteer specifically for PS controllers
The module just looks more FUN.
how about an update? have you gotten quicker after 3 months or are you not using it at all?
love the tiny wheel, but wouldn't it hurt if it had more rotation?
It might be a nice option, but after playing with this device for a while, any further rotation, you'd have to keep changing your thumb position on the wheel.
@@kijekuyo9494 could have been resolved with a slightly larger rim.. not as big as the RRDC2 controller or the Jogcon
20 years ago manufacturers made hand held mini wheels designed for racing.
I had two for original playstation.
Worded better than sticks and fit perfectly like rc controllers .
Thanks for this video. Have you tried this controller with the new Forza Motorsport? I'm curious to know your thoughts on it with that game. Also, I don't know if you've used it enough to run into this, but I've seen a number of people mention that the sticks begin to drift after a few months of use. Thanks for any feedback you may be able to provide.
Have you tried the wheel module in the upper left slot with thumb and forefinger grip? I would think this would give much more precise control than rolling with the thumb only. Function would be more like an RC car. I'm still trying to decide on whether to get this controller or just get a wheel set. I don't see why a wheel set would be slower than a stick controller on Forza? Any theories on this?
I hope this eSwap XR Pro can have a wireless version
What’s the name of the car ure driving?
I bought the thrust master controller it is legit to me. IMO the cornering feels a lot smoother with the thrust master vs a standard controller
How do the triggers feel?
Looks awesome could you test it out with some motorcycle sims? Ride 4, MotoGP, Isle of Man TT, SBK 22? I'm curious how it would work in those sorts of games. Thanks.
Where do you guys put your finger on that module? Just bought it today and I don't know if my thumb should he on the sides, the top or the bottom! 😅
Shouldn't wheel be theoretically the fastest since you've got direct control of the wheels or am I once again high on copium. Drifting is very smooth once you get the right settings, but rolling sticks can get you just as smooth on controller
In racing sims wheels will always be fastest, but in arcade/simcade games like Horizon controllers have the advantage for a couple of reasons - largely because of the built in "assists" that the game uses to translate joystick movement to steering input, and also because a joystick can steer faster than a real wheel (for example on a real wheel it takes a second or two to go from full left to full right lock, on joysticks its a fraction of a second) so it effectively improves steering reaction time
How do the grips feel? Anything too small will cramp my hands. I wish I could just go to a store and see how it feels
It's definitely a controller for bigger hands IMO. The grips that come with it are hard plastic, not rubberized like they kinda look but I honestly like that - for example I really don't like the rubber grips on the Elite Series 2
How is your xbox logo pink on the elite controller??!!!
You can change it to whatever color you want in the controller settings. For each profile.
@@harven7573 thanks that is frucking dope
Thats the shortest road rivals track in the rally expansion, so my friends and I played it for the first couple of weeks or so. Was top 3, but at the time of writing this, dropped to top 10 😅
AC works perfectly fine with a controller, you just need Content Manager and a preset. Works like a charm, even on a PS5-controller
Geraint and Akey7's fixed are amazing
Yes, the original AC works fine with a controller when using Content Manager and custom controller settings, but HokiHoshi was playing ACC in this, and it's less forgiving with controllers.
It's kinda sad that the full steering wheel is almost always going to be slower on any forza game, same on the motorsport ones as well.
I Love what assetto corsa and ACC have done with the steering wheel, my times are much more consistent and driving is truly challenging and engaging.
You need retting for standard Controller! I use Joystick same as you do with that wheel module (basically press it forward and just roll left and right to simulate wheel) it is not as easy since this module you can actually steer and not roll but is 85% similar experience. Shame that eSwap controller is not Wireless otherwise would get it immediately!
Does it work with BeamNG?
I don't think this is for me personally since ive always not really liked this stuff on things like RC car remotes
they really need to let us turn off that damn tail light
Not something I'd personally buy due to the sheer price of it but it's a very strong contender if it was on Discount and I wanted an Elite alternative.
Even if the Swapping and Wheel module doesn't justify the full price it's something I do very much like and having it be wired is more convenient for me.
Also I just love how it looks and the chunky nature of it.
If u want to see an expensive controller have a look at clinchgaming and their controllers if u have everything it runs up to $300 lol
@@Jack-ht2gr just like Scuf Gaming lol
Their Special Pro Controller is $220 for base and even just repainting the Faceplate is $10-20 with $5-10 for colour changes of other items.
They even charge you $10 to remove the Rumble Motors for Vibration O_o
@@kspectre21 oof
Interesting... looks very awkward to me though.
This wheel module does have a slower response time to the movement than a knob. This is a somewhat Forza related issue. On AC this problem does not exist. Because of that lag cars in Forza respond in a sluggish way. Movement around the centre of the wheel is dead in Forza and it can't be dialled out with any calibration. It just shows that the game was made for the regular controller, not the wheel module.
AC is with proper in-game configuration and thrustmaster calibration to give more movement resolution around the centre of a wheel makes game playable but it is still not a replacement for a proper wheel.
In summary, this wheel module is a gimmick. The rest of the controller is surely an improvement over standard Xbox controller. Brake, throttle and knobs have far more precission and give extra controllability in the game. But does this give a Thrustmaster an edge over Elite series? 🤔
Gracias
I kept breaking my xbox controllers because it seems like their quality has gone down - was looking at this controller but went with the Logitech F310. The Logitech is an extremely solid controller for $20
Okay, so in a casual game its worse than a controller and im sim games worse than a wheel
But in the end, only the fun counts^^
I wish it was cordless
Tp for driving with with analog stick - use UP for centered position. It is SO MUCH EASIER to get micro adjustments when you hold UP and move ever so slightly to the side than leaving it centered and having to move it to the side a little, then pulling it off to the center then moving it to the side a little then pulling it off to the center then pul....you get the idea, just don't do that. Use UP position instead of leaving it centered (default)
👍👍👍👍👍
I love the controller but found it awful on sim racers.
good concept, terribly executed. I got stick drift in the first week. Big minus for being wired aswell. Went back to a semi-broken S2, ordered another one and keep sending them in before the warranty of one year instead of three months on the xr pro.
Is no so good controller l test it
this controller is very expensive
not worth it tbh
180 degree?