My low back is my weak point and so are the muscles surrounding it so I focus on conventional to strengthen everything out. I might switch to sumo once I start my powerlifting phase. Let’s see.
true but realistically speaking I think they communicate wrong that conventional is harder and sumo is in fact easier. which is why they make jokes when they can simply say that not sure why not 😅
You can in fact lift 10-15% more with a sumo lift. This could be due to many reasons. Back injuries, range of motion, or other factors. As long as you're progressing, building gains, and having fun. It doesn't matter. Some ppl get butt hurt when they say you rip their working set off ground with ease as your warm up. #stay hard...not the cock..I met mental mind strange ppl I just like to reiterate because some guy reported me on here. Probably because I said packing your shoulders back and down would tremendously increase their lift for bench press and was a possibility as to why they were experiencing shoulder pain. He felt attacked He tried to set me up for a trap by asking me my max bench. I said 275. I showed him a set andqhospeiķķ
The problem with conventional tho is that some people don't have the right leverage for it, if you have long legs and average or long arms it's a great exercise... if you are built like a squatter than in a conventional you end up just fighting to not brake your back in half basically... ironically everyone can pull sumo with no problem, but conventional can be hell for people with a long torso.
I have a long torso, I can DL 130 kg without straps nor Belt in a year and a half of training. I don't experience the same pain that some people have with conventional and I have proportionately normal arm length to slightly long. It's all about just keeping the hip flexors strong and core tight.
Due to past lumber injuries I mainly do sumo. If I go to heavy on conventional I pay for it in my lower back for a week. I’ve been doing the mobility exercises for 10 years, and it has improved, but still a problem.
Sumo isn’t cheating, it’s just a different lift. Different muscles activated, different mechanics. That’s why you see lifters that weight 160lbs sumo/deadlifting 800+ pounds whereas their conventional lift is 495, still really solid but it’s a massive discrepancy.
Exactly, people just need to say "sumo deadlift PR" instead of using their sumo deadlift PR as their deadlift PR due to them being different type of lifts and just the word deadlift alone would mean the conventional one by default. There, problem solved, no need for war between conventional and sumo.
I prefer sumo. Sumo feels much better for my knees and recovery doesn’t take as long. I play a lot of badminton so can’t risk struggling to move for 2 days.
The conventional deadlift and sumo deadlift are two common variations of the deadlift exercise. While both exercises target the posterior chain muscles (hamstrings, glutes, and lower back), there are some differences in muscle activation between the two. The conventional deadlift places more emphasis on the lower back, while the sumo deadlift places more emphasis on the quads and inner thighs. This is because the sumo deadlift involves a wider stance and a more upright torso, which allows for a greater recruitment of the quadriceps muscles. Additionally, the sumo deadlift involves less hip flexion and more knee flexion compared to the conventional deadlift. Research has shown that the sumo deadlift results in greater activation of the vastus lateralis (one of the quadriceps muscles) and the adductor magnus (an inner thigh muscle) compared to the conventional deadlift. On the other hand, the conventional deadlift results in greater activation of the erector spinae (lower back muscles) compared to the sumo deadlift. Meaning that in a way, One is more of a back exercise and one is more of a Leg-Glute exercise, and sumo has a shorter ROM and the legs can lift more in total than your spine can, which is why most can lift more in sumo then in conventional. Sumo is cheating in the same way as arching extreme arching in bench press reduced Rom to lift more. That or the two exercises should not be compared since it's not the same lift, you don't compare the weight of your squat to your deadlift but you could properly then compare Sumo deadlift to squat.
Conventional does not place emphasis on lower back if you have proper form. It targets the entire posterior chain. You think people could lift 600+lb with their lower back? Conventional also trains you for real world loads better than sumo. There’s a few times life will call on you to lift a heavy load the you can’t stand over…conventional trains you for that.
You do not take into account segment lengths and natural variations in athlete builds. Torso-femur-tibia ratios can vary a lot between lifters. This is why you see some lifters with strong conventional and weaker sumo, and other lifters with strong sumo and weaker conventional. There is a guy at my gym with 350kg conventional deadlift PR but cannot pull 250kg sumo.
It’s just a different lift, You shouldn’t compare sumo numbers to conventional numbers. Sumo is easier to lift more weight, it’s less range of motion. A lot like a super arched bench.
I want to do conventional deadlifts. But everytime I try to set up I feel a pinching pain in my hip. I think it's my hip structure but how do I know for sure it's not a hip impingement and just my structure
You could have FAI. A fairly sizable portion of the population has FAI where the bones in their femur/acetabula are misshapen and can cause bone on bone grinding. I have FAI and it took years for me to figure out why I couldn't do a split, couldn't round house kick, couldn't do sumo squats, and couldn't do conventional deadlifts.
I’m def stronger conventional but I feel very good and natural with sumo. And sumo over time adds to my conv so I use sumo for hypertrophic reasons and conv for strength training.
This is why you need to know how long your spine is in proportion to your femurs. If you're in the short femur/long spine club, you're going to get more spine dumped into your spine. You may have mitigating factors with your hip structure that make conventional adaptive, but the sumo is probably going to be more mechanically correct, all things being equal. Long story short, find a smart person that can do an appropriate assessment of your levers and structural make-up. NONE of this is cookie cutter, and we're asking for trouble is we assume it is.
My lower back was hurting so I’ve been doing trap bar deadlifts and lighter conventional for a reps and sets. After a couple weeks I tried heavier conventional deadlift and hit a new pr. That sessions was just singles but it seems to be working for me to save my back and still gain strength.
Sumo puts less tension on my back hence why I do it, not doing it for competing tho, just for my own gains. I always scared of doing conventional because of risking my lower back.
I do sumo because i have one leg that is longer and having my feet closer exaggerates the problem and i get severe hip/ lower back pain. If i space my feet out the distances smoothes out the imbalance in my leg lengths, and i get no pain. The weight is still the same weight its just as hard as conventional just with less injury chance for me. My feet aren’t next to the plates they are just right outside my hands. Conventional/ sumo is the same as high bar/ low bar squat. One is not easier than the other it just depends on your anatomy to which one works better for you.
Look at the records in categories. Most weight is done in conventional deadlift not sumo. Contrary to what people believe. Shorter people are stronger sumo and taller are better conventional. Jeff nippard has a video on it if you need to see more
One certainly isn’t better over the other. They are different lifts though. I’ll never say one should be left out of competition or that one is better than the other. But, I do often wonder if maybe they should be considered separate lifts in competition.
That sounds very strange. You should take that up with a PT (make sure it's a good one first though) to see if you're hinging correctly. There shouldn't be any pain there if you hinge properly
Sumo is comfortable for people with anatomy like mine (long legs/short torso), not going to lie.. I trying and keep my feet closer in, just outside of my arms to get more range of motion but, every now and then I do conventional. The working weight is no different.
I redact and apologise for my comments on sumo. Although i still i cant take this seriously, its basically just no experience vs causal vs gym vs professional power lifters in a power lifting competition.
I don’t know what the term cheating means in this context. From a strength and mobility standpoint, sumo deadlifts are not very efficient. You significantly limit your range of motion. I never call an exercise as useless, sumo deadlifts are an exercise too. But it’s not as good as the deadlift. I’m fact, I will go a little further in offending people who think sumo is cheating by saying that anything less than a ATG squat is also cheating. Anything that limits the range of motion is an incomplete exercise. Also a fair warning to sumo deadlifters, your hip mobility gets worse with time because of how you lock into place your femur bone.
There is no enough experience that any can give for me to go trying deadlift ever again. I dodged misfortune shot deadlift gave. I will not stick around to finally hit my back permanently.
I have long ass legs, if i put my hips in the correct position my back is literally horizontal to ground i am legit doing a sldl off the ground. Because of that i do sumo however To complete the hip hinge strength i also do split stance rdl with a lot of weight and controlled eccentric
Yeah, two completely different lifts. Trad is definitely harder and uses more muscle. Sumo is mostly legs. One reason tiny people and women can sumo like 2x more than they can trad. If you want to work more legs, do sumo. If you want more upper body strength and overall strength, trad.
"Verse" is a line or stanza from a poem, song, or scripture. It has nothing to do with a contest or struggle. The word you were looking for is "versus". "Verse" is in no way related to "versus".
When are you coming to Europe!I really need your help. I don’t know what else to do. Everyday I have so much pain on my low back and hip, going to dry needling, fysiotheraphy sessions since May of 2022 and The pain coming back all the time. I watch your videos everyone are making their own goals without pain and suffer as I do!😢😢 I am so frustrated, stressful, mad, sad 😭😭😭😭that I cannot be the same person as I had been like 5 years ago. Making my core, deep core, doing the exercises you are recommended to this guys here and it helps. Can we be in touch via email or something to do specific program, please? Thank you
I feel like it entirely depends on your goals if your goal is to pull as much weight as possible sumo might be best. If your goal is growth and increasing strength without potentially creating muscle imbalances then definitely conventional. Youll be able to lift more on sumo with less load on back= less development and stability of that back. Tldr wanna lift heavy do sumo wanna become resilient to injury and have muscle balance lift conventional
The best is to do deadlifts with the traps bar or hex bar. It changed my life. I have three herniated disc and I lift real heavy with zero back pain with it and getting great results
Generally, a lower back pump means you're not driving enough with your glutes, or the weight is too heavy for you to stay stiffened. Either way it can cause a pull or slip pretty easy.
Just because something is more difficult doesn't make it superior. Written Chinese is a million times harder than the Roman alphabet, is it superior? Is knowing 923847923759827395 Chinese characters automatically superior to 26 letters simply because it's "harder?"
Lmao sumo people jacking off to this. There are plenty of stone lifters and strongmen who lift with a flexed spine. They use core stability to make sure there's not a lot of spinal movement. They don't settle for sumo because it's safer lol
It is. Once he puts heavier weight on the bar he'll just default to a higher hip position which is fine. Idk why this guy coaches everyone to squat the weight up, not everyone has the anatomy for that.
@@cmdrfunk Yes, instead of creating tightness by pulling the slack out of the bar while the spine is extended, this guy cues his clients to lower their hips. This may flatten the back, but it does not solve the problem of the back not being held in rigid extension. Even in this video, I can see that the client's back is a little bit loose at the start. I think teaching people how to use their posterior chain effectively should be the top priority.
I think sumo shouldn’t be allowed in powerlifting meets. Unless it’s sumo only competition. The sumo is less range of motion, so you could move more weight.
Sumo and Con is so different I don't even know why it's accepted as the same when competing. With sumo you're activating like a whole other set of dominant muscles.
It’s honestly amazing everyone else watched this video and said “oh yeah I’ll go for the lift that’s easier and I can lift more on”, tacitly acknowledging that it’s an easier lift (but then getting mad at others that say it’s cheating). If you compete with this against people using conventional, and there’s a medal or honor bestowed, you’re cheating. I don’t know how tf that’s controversial but I have no more hope for our species at this point.
If you think doing a task in a way that favors your biomechanics is cheating then all winners of all competitions that used conventional are also cheating. You really should start with yourself when critizing others and losing faith in humanity if you can't even use simple logic to evaluate the outcome of your own statements. Roughly speaking smaller lifters will pull more sumo, bigger will pull more conventional, there are studies about this, and the bigger ones don't pull more conventional because they refuse to use sumo, they do so because they can't lift more using sumo.
Im actually thinking right now and every girl i know pulls sumo. I actually dont think ive ever seen a girl pull conventional in person. Ive never noticed till now
@@danielprochazka6188 Says literally who? Eddie Hall has said that you shouldn't feel your low back at all after deadlifting. Are you just making that up because they use a rounded spine?
@@popularopiniondispenser6076 no? You’re going to put strain in your lower back from deadlifting whether you feel it or not, it is a test of the posterior chain, and for many people core rigidity is the limiting factor. Also when I said "it is in strongman" I meant that sumo is cheating in strongman
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I sometimes do conventional as a variation to strengthen the back even more
My low back is my weak point and so are the muscles surrounding it so I focus on conventional to strengthen everything out. I might switch to sumo once I start my powerlifting phase. Let’s see.
Been doing conventional for years.
Tried sumo just recently and it seems easier overall.
Sumo feels much better for my knees and recovery doesn’t take as long.
I play a lot of badminton so can’t risk struggling to move for 2 days.
people who joke about sumo are the real inexperienced lifters
true but realistically speaking I think they communicate wrong that conventional is harder and sumo is in fact easier. which is why they make jokes when they can simply say that not sure why not 😅
Ever saw any strongman or world record who uses sumo? That’s right, cause they’re not GAY
@@danraymundmagcalas2525 gay? Bro are you still in middle school?
@@danraymundmagcalas2525 no because it’s not allowed in strongman dumbass and Eddie hall doesn’t think sumo is Cheating
You can in fact lift 10-15% more with a sumo lift. This could be due to many reasons. Back injuries, range of motion, or other factors. As long as you're progressing, building gains, and having fun. It doesn't matter. Some ppl get butt hurt when they say you rip their working set off ground with ease as your warm up. #stay hard...not the cock..I met mental mind strange ppl I just like to reiterate because some guy reported me on here. Probably because I said packing your shoulders back and down would tremendously increase their lift for bench press and was a possibility as to why they were experiencing shoulder pain. He felt attacked He tried to set me up for a trap by asking me my max bench. I said 275. I showed him a set andqhospeiķķ
The problem with conventional tho is that some people don't have the right leverage for it, if you have long legs and average or long arms it's a great exercise... if you are built like a squatter than in a conventional you end up just fighting to not brake your back in half basically... ironically everyone can pull sumo with no problem, but conventional can be hell for people with a long torso.
Hafthor be like: Really bitches!?
@@abhishekde500 low IQ answez
@@abhishekde500 harder not impossible
I have a long torso, I can DL 130 kg without straps nor Belt in a year and a half of training.
I don't experience the same pain that some people have with conventional and I have proportionately normal arm length to slightly long. It's all about just keeping the hip flexors strong and core tight.
What you on about. Long legs are a hindrance, short legs long arms are better for deadlifts
Sumo doesn't hurt my back. I still pull both ways
Due to past lumber injuries I mainly do sumo. If I go to heavy on conventional I pay for it in my lower back for a week. I’ve been doing the mobility exercises for 10 years, and it has improved, but still a problem.
Sumo isn’t cheating, it’s just a different lift. Different muscles activated, different mechanics. That’s why you see lifters that weight 160lbs sumo/deadlifting 800+ pounds whereas their conventional lift is 495, still really solid but it’s a massive discrepancy.
Exactly, people just need to say "sumo deadlift PR" instead of using their sumo deadlift PR as their deadlift PR due to them being different type of lifts and just the word deadlift alone would mean the conventional one by default. There, problem solved, no need for war between conventional and sumo.
@@stanleyextra2812in competition you can use whatever form you want. So just assume the person is using whatever form is best for thier anatomy.
it is cheating
@@xsindolorfragile ego
@@animality102 your daddy left you
I'd like to see a trap bar analysis.
Literally the same as sumo, but even less of a moment arm.
I prefer sumo.
Sumo feels much better for my knees and recovery doesn’t take as long.
I play a lot of badminton so can’t risk struggling to move for 2 days.
The conventional deadlift and sumo deadlift are two common variations of the deadlift exercise. While both exercises target the posterior chain muscles (hamstrings, glutes, and lower back), there are some differences in muscle activation between the two.
The conventional deadlift places more emphasis on the lower back, while the sumo deadlift places more emphasis on the quads and inner thighs. This is because the sumo deadlift involves a wider stance and a more upright torso, which allows for a greater recruitment of the quadriceps muscles. Additionally, the sumo deadlift involves less hip flexion and more knee flexion compared to the conventional deadlift.
Research has shown that the sumo deadlift results in greater activation of the vastus lateralis (one of the quadriceps muscles) and the adductor magnus (an inner thigh muscle) compared to the conventional deadlift. On the other hand, the conventional deadlift results in greater activation of the erector spinae (lower back muscles) compared to the sumo deadlift.
Meaning that in a way, One is more of a back exercise and one is more of a Leg-Glute exercise, and sumo has a shorter ROM and the legs can lift more in total than your spine can, which is why most can lift more in sumo then in conventional. Sumo is cheating in the same way as arching extreme arching in bench press reduced Rom to lift more. That or the two exercises should not be compared since it's not the same lift, you don't compare the weight of your squat to your deadlift but you could properly then compare Sumo deadlift to squat.
Conventional does not place emphasis on lower back if you have proper form. It targets the entire posterior chain. You think people could lift 600+lb with their lower back?
Conventional also trains you for real world loads better than sumo. There’s a few times life will call on you to lift a heavy load the you can’t stand over…conventional trains you for that.
@@AnthonyBolognese710 if that is what you belive.
@@1Atzek it’s what basic logic dictates
@@AnthonyBolognese710 maybe your logic but not science
You do not take into account segment lengths and natural variations in athlete builds. Torso-femur-tibia ratios can vary a lot between lifters. This is why you see some lifters with strong conventional and weaker sumo, and other lifters with strong sumo and weaker conventional.
There is a guy at my gym with 350kg conventional deadlift PR but cannot pull 250kg sumo.
Sumo is cheating has to be one of the stupidest things conceived by Insecure people ever😂
100% 😂
No. But high back arch benching BS.
@@giovannisoave9634 100% ofc😂
It’s cheating if you’re claiming it for impressive Dead Lift PR’s
It’s just a different lift, You shouldn’t compare sumo numbers to conventional numbers. Sumo is easier to lift more weight, it’s less range of motion. A lot like a super arched bench.
Sumo needs more leg drive. Conventional needs more back drive. That's the main difference
I feel like I comment on every vid but these are so educational and awesome information!!! I love it I wish I could subscribe and like 100x lol
I love the warming up, we also use it before a deadlift but with a resistance band 😄
I want to do conventional deadlifts. But everytime I try to set up I feel a pinching pain in my hip. I think it's my hip structure but how do I know for sure it's not a hip impingement and just my structure
You could have FAI. A fairly sizable portion of the population has FAI where the bones in their femur/acetabula are misshapen and can cause bone on bone grinding.
I have FAI and it took years for me to figure out why I couldn't do a split, couldn't round house kick, couldn't do sumo squats, and couldn't do conventional deadlifts.
I’m def stronger conventional but I feel very good and natural with sumo. And sumo over time adds to my conv so I use sumo for hypertrophic reasons and conv for strength training.
I am honestly thinking of switching to sumo. Backpaijän comes and goes. Stiff glutes and hamstrings is the reason i think.
This is why you need to know how long your spine is in proportion to your femurs. If you're in the short femur/long spine club, you're going to get more spine dumped into your spine. You may have mitigating factors with your hip structure that make conventional adaptive, but the sumo is probably going to be more mechanically correct, all things being equal.
Long story short, find a smart person that can do an appropriate assessment of your levers and structural make-up. NONE of this is cookie cutter, and we're asking for trouble is we assume it is.
My lower back was hurting so I’ve been doing trap bar deadlifts and lighter conventional for a reps and sets. After a couple weeks I tried heavier conventional deadlift and hit a new pr. That sessions was just singles but it seems to be working for me to save my back and still gain strength.
Sumo puts less tension on my back hence why I do it, not doing it for competing tho, just for my own gains. I always scared of doing conventional because of risking my lower back.
I do sumo because i have one leg that is longer and having my feet closer exaggerates the problem and i get severe hip/ lower back pain. If i space my feet out the distances smoothes out the imbalance in my leg lengths, and i get no pain. The weight is still the same weight its just as hard as conventional just with less injury chance for me. My feet aren’t next to the plates they are just right outside my hands. Conventional/ sumo is the same as high bar/ low bar squat. One is not easier than the other it just depends on your anatomy to which one works better for you.
Just recently started doing sumo deads due to lower back pain on my left side I found I have a better recovery time after deadlift days using sumo
Yooo bridges as warmup for squats, never thought of that
Look at the records in categories. Most weight is done in conventional deadlift not sumo. Contrary to what people believe. Shorter people are stronger sumo and taller are better conventional. Jeff nippard has a video on it if you need to see more
sUmO iS ChEaTiNg
Sumo if you prefer man, convenienal if you prefer hernia
One certainly isn’t better over the other. They are different lifts though. I’ll never say one should be left out of competition or that one is better than the other. But, I do often wonder if maybe they should be considered separate lifts in competition.
Round lower back is pretty good for back pain
hey have you ever looked in to the QL muscle or have a video on it
i have pain when hinging
It means your glute is inactive. When the glute doesn’t fire your low back will. ruclips.net/video/rffVhQ9JnpI/видео.html
That sounds very strange. You should take that up with a PT (make sure it's a good one first though) to see if you're hinging correctly. There shouldn't be any pain there if you hinge properly
i like to do sumo & traps bar deadlifts , my spine thanks me (i had an injury from a job a few years ago)!💪🏼
Sumo is what i use in day to day life tbh
Sumo is comfortable for people with anatomy like mine (long legs/short torso), not going to lie.. I trying and keep my feet closer in, just outside of my arms to get more range of motion but, every now and then I do conventional. The working weight is no different.
Any comments on snatch grip dead lift? When compared to these other two.
Snatch grip is underrated in terms of strength training. Really good accessory lift to assist your conventional or sumo.
I train for functional strength so a snatch grip gives me those gorilla forearms.
Sumo feels much better for my knees and recovery doesn’t take as long.
I play a lot of badminton so can’t risk struggling to move for 2 days.
Sumo dont hurt my back
Ideally you wanna be able to do both. But sumo does feel safer
I redact and apologise for my comments on sumo. Although i still i cant take this seriously, its basically just no experience vs causal vs gym vs professional power lifters in a power lifting competition.
I don’t know what the term cheating means in this context. From a strength and mobility standpoint, sumo deadlifts are not very efficient. You significantly limit your range of motion. I never call an exercise as useless, sumo deadlifts are an exercise too. But it’s not as good as the deadlift.
I’m fact, I will go a little further in offending people who think sumo is cheating by saying that anything less than a ATG squat is also cheating. Anything that limits the range of motion is an incomplete exercise.
Also a fair warning to sumo deadlifters, your hip mobility gets worse with time because of how you lock into place your femur bone.
Sumo is working the legs more than conventional, it’s basically a leg exercise just as well.
I literally can't do conventional because I have deep hip sockets, I can only sumo.
There is no enough experience that any can give for me to go trying deadlift ever again. I dodged misfortune shot deadlift gave. I will not stick around to finally hit my back permanently.
Is there more Hip joint damage from sumo
I have long ass legs, if i put my hips in the correct position my back is literally horizontal to ground i am legit doing a sldl off the ground. Because of that i do sumo however
To complete the hip hinge strength i also do split stance rdl with a lot of weight and controlled eccentric
Nice!
Yeah, two completely different lifts. Trad is definitely harder and uses more muscle. Sumo is mostly legs. One reason tiny people and women can sumo like 2x more than they can trad. If you want to work more legs, do sumo. If you want more upper body strength and overall strength, trad.
That would be calculating spinal shear not load. Either way good video
But sumo can more easily cause si joint paint
Not locking out like that is better for back pain.
"Verse" is a line or stanza from a poem, song, or scripture. It has nothing to do with a contest or struggle. The word you were looking for is "versus". "Verse" is in no way related to "versus".
When are you coming to Europe!I really need your help. I don’t know what else to do. Everyday I have so much pain on my low back and hip, going to dry needling, fysiotheraphy sessions since May of 2022 and The pain coming back all the time. I watch your videos everyone are making their own goals without pain and suffer as I do!😢😢 I am so frustrated, stressful, mad, sad 😭😭😭😭that I cannot be the same person as I had been like 5 years ago.
Making my core, deep core, doing the exercises you are recommended to this guys here and it helps. Can we be in touch via email or something to do specific program, please? Thank you
He has a way to get ahold of him for consult. Look at his website.
Dude, that bulge hip thrust combo
I don’t see sumo as cheating, I just see it as easier. But still a good lift nonetheless.
I think the sumo one looks a lot cooler than the regular one too.
Too bad its not
I feel like it entirely depends on your goals if your goal is to pull as much weight as possible sumo might be best. If your goal is growth and increasing strength without potentially creating muscle imbalances then definitely conventional. Youll be able to lift more on sumo with less load on back= less development and stability of that back. Tldr wanna lift heavy do sumo wanna become resilient to injury and have muscle balance lift conventional
So u recomend switching to sumo if i had disk protution and L1-3-5?
The best is to do deadlifts with the traps bar or hex bar. It changed my life. I have three herniated disc and I lift real heavy with zero back pain with it and getting great results
Finally some appreciation for sumo deadlift
Sumo may be the smarter and more technical way to lift the bar. Something insecure and dumber people call cheating
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Lol Jeremy using switch grip for 185 😂
Isn’t sumo more leg focused as well?
yep, mainly glutes and quads
Wow what a point ❤ amazing knowledge bro 🐼
Its not cheating. Its just manipulating the mechanics is all. Like Belichick never cheated, it was just a different interpretation of the rules 🤡
Having pain in conventional means you aren’t bracing right and have a weak lower core and flutes/hammies
They both suck but at least one isn’t cheating.
Same reason why I prefer to use Sumo over Conventional
CBum needs to watch this.
You do.
Is feeling a pump in your lower back muscles the same as having back pain? Is the cause the same? Is feeling a back pump even bad?
It can mean that you use lower back too much and can lead to lower back pain in the future
Generally, a lower back pump means you're not driving enough with your glutes, or the weight is too heavy for you to stay stiffened. Either way it can cause a pull or slip pretty easy.
@@kowalikus7581 no
Not at all if it’s just a pump it’s fine, if it’s pain it’s not.
Is feeling a pumped chest after bench the same as tendon pain? Obv not
It's not cheating if everyone doing it
It’s not cheating…
It’s only cheating when someone tries to use sumo-deadlift numbers as their deadlift numbers.
Sumo is cheating
It’s okay we know you’re insecure
@@animality102 and we know u pull sumo lmao
Sumo definitely cheating if the objective is to lift heavy... the only question is, what are your goals?
Just because something is more difficult doesn't make it superior. Written Chinese is a million times harder than the Roman alphabet, is it superior? Is knowing 923847923759827395 Chinese characters automatically superior to 26 letters simply because it's "harder?"
never seen this good sumo deadlift when a see the ego lifters they just pull like 10cm from floor and that is call a good lift
Heeee look..... Ragnar Lothbrok😂
Sumo isn't cheating until you imply it's your deadlift PR, intentionally manipulating people into believing it's conventional
Lmao sumo people jacking off to this. There are plenty of stone lifters and strongmen who lift with a flexed spine. They use core stability to make sure there's not a lot of spinal movement. They don't settle for sumo because it's safer lol
Aren't his hips too low? That pull seems inefficient.
It is. Once he puts heavier weight on the bar he'll just default to a higher hip position which is fine. Idk why this guy coaches everyone to squat the weight up, not everyone has the anatomy for that.
Yeah every video on this channel always shows the person dipping their hips when they flatten their back but the hips should remain stationary.
@@cmdrfunk Yes, instead of creating tightness by pulling the slack out of the bar while the spine is extended, this guy cues his clients to lower their hips. This may flatten the back, but it does not solve the problem of the back not being held in rigid extension. Even in this video, I can see that the client's back is a little bit loose at the start. I think teaching people how to use their posterior chain effectively should be the top priority.
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I think sumo shouldn’t be allowed in powerlifting meets. Unless it’s sumo only competition. The sumo is less range of motion, so you could move more weight.
Sumo it is…
Easier lifts don’t train you as well.
Less forces applied to certain parts of the back = Sumo is cheating, be a MAN
As a long term conventional Deadlifter
I’ve gotta say
Finding stability during liftoff seems troublesome for me in sumo
Sumo is not deadlift is leg workout. Deadlift is leg plus lower back and abs 3 in 1 muscles working out to go up and down.
it still is a deadlift. Only you use different muscles. With sumo you use more glutes and quads, while con uses more back.
sumo is cheating 😂
Conversation more damage on Lower back
Thats why i change to Sumo....
sumo is cheating and it's easier
Sumo is different then convention, different mucles are used
Sumo and Con is so different I don't even know why it's accepted as the same when competing. With sumo you're activating like a whole other set of dominant muscles.
Sumo is for people who can't lift
sumo is a completely different lift. Different muscles, form, mechanics, etc.
Look forward. Dead lift like a weightlifter not a powerlifter. All you need
Let me explain how sumo is not cheating by explaining how sumo is cheating
it's allowed in competition. I proved you wrong there.
Yes bc sumo is way easier. That’s why weak people do it to feel good about themselves
Fax
Bro my hamstrings are extremely small, which curves my back. And it gives me an erectile disfucntion. Because those musles in my hip get overloaded.
"Sumo is for weak ppl"
- Guy who deadlifts 405 and thinks he's elite
It’s honestly amazing everyone else watched this video and said “oh yeah I’ll go for the lift that’s easier and I can lift more on”, tacitly acknowledging that it’s an easier lift (but then getting mad at others that say it’s cheating). If you compete with this against people using conventional, and there’s a medal or honor bestowed, you’re cheating. I don’t know how tf that’s controversial but I have no more hope for our species at this point.
cringe lol
If you think doing a task in a way that favors your biomechanics is cheating then all winners of all competitions that used conventional are also cheating. You really should start with yourself when critizing others and losing faith in humanity if you can't even use simple logic to evaluate the outcome of your own statements. Roughly speaking smaller lifters will pull more sumo, bigger will pull more conventional, there are studies about this, and the bigger ones don't pull more conventional because they refuse to use sumo, they do so because they can't lift more using sumo.
You can make yourself self feel better all you want but Sumo is cheating
“This didn’t about how one is cheating”
But it’s also showing how one is easier…
how is easier for this person, not all people.
Sumo is cheating, simple is that, look at Evan singleton and pa o dwyer about sumo
it's a completely different exercise lmao
Lots of females do sumo! End of story 😆
Im actually thinking right now and every girl i know pulls sumo. I actually dont think ive ever seen a girl pull conventional in person. Ive never noticed till now
If we assume the deadlift is supposed to be a test of lower back strength, sumo would be cheating.
the deadlift is a full body movement hints compound exercise it doesnt only gage lower back strength
Except it’s not a lower back movement, so no, sumo is not cheating. 🙂
@@calebminger1791 it is for strongman
@@danielprochazka6188 Says literally who? Eddie Hall has said that you shouldn't feel your low back at all after deadlifting. Are you just making that up because they use a rounded spine?
@@popularopiniondispenser6076 no? You’re going to put strain in your lower back from deadlifting whether you feel it or not, it is a test of the posterior chain, and for many people core rigidity is the limiting factor. Also when I said "it is in strongman" I meant that sumo is cheating in strongman
sumo is cheating
Still sumo is cheating!
okay but do a video on why sumo IS cheating. we all know it is
Sumo is cheating
sumo is a completely different lift. Different muscles, form, mechanics, etc.