The " kid " is a great asset to your bottom line brother, straight up gotta be proud of him ( Kyle ) !!! KUDO'S! He's waaaaay comfortable and extremely effective in front of the camera also, I for one really appreciate his take on things... ( another good job you've done ) Love this shop! Seth
I like how the old man had to come check on the son when the big boost started kicking in. “I heard ya hit the rev limiter”! Lol. Awesome videos. Keep up the good work. Hopefully one day i can afford one of your setups.
It would be really cool if you could give a roundabout figure of what a motor like this would cost to build. It would give your viewer an idea if they would want to pursue something to that degree or not. If you could do that with each engine you put on the dyno it would be even better.
@@michaelkennedy2528 Right? I thought My Lingenfelter 383 in My 1990 Corvette L98 was a lot at $16,000 in 1997. That was installed including a 700r4 rebuild and 3000 stall converter(which lasted 5000 miles lol! A 700 is not a strong transmission)
I'm surprised that Kyle isn't more familiar with tuning pid values, as I know that he tunes a lot of high HP cars. It's not a a huge deal, it's just swinging too far and as a result recovering too far trying to keep the boost regulated. Your wastegate manufacturer won't even be able to tell you exactly what pid value will be best, you will just have to perfect it based on a lot of factors per application. The best resource for learning this is RUclips and make sure you're not searching for automotive pid tuning in your search, the best videos are people explaining how to tune pid values in a generic sense. Computer geeks that control things through a circuit board use pid values for everything and will explain ensuring that your "P" value isn't too aggressive, thus won't require such an aggressive "I" value in order to bring it back within range and the significance of the "D" value. I like this setup in the video!! That setup is going to get it done with some dome pressure and timing!! Great video!!
Thanks for the input! Yeah particularly on the holley stuff ive never had to change it before its just always been right. I will definitely be experimenting and looking into it more!
@@Motorsportkyle this is why you guys are the greatest. Not yelling at someone for some constructive criticism and simply explaining and just being chill! Shows so much about your character. Also you guys build the BADDEST engines on the planet. Good on you Kyle!!!
Great video guys mine is a similar setup they will make some steam that’s forsure. If you put aluminum rods in it I’ve seen 3.000 out of them of here I think Borowsky race engines made almost three grand on the dyno on RUclips. I’m gonna have to have mine put on the dyno.
Boost tells you nothing. It's just a measure of resistance. Cylinder pressure is what kills things. You can hurt things with 15 psi and make things live with 30.
Hey Kyle Great to see ya Man Been a real pleasure getting to know you Folks You n your dad have a real nuts n bolts kind of way of explaining such a high degree of knowledge and understanding of what's going on with your engines and cars Makes it super enjoyable watching and listening To know those drive trains like you do Just listening to them even and instinctively knowing what's with them I'm so about that I have great respect for all the Stress Outlaws n NPK Folks too but sometimes the show scripts etc get to much for me It's always telling me a different story than what most see n hear For instance Shawn n the Murder Nova Amazing people n ride but it has that black rifle pointed right @me Telling me something different than what the rest see Gets exhausting sometimes Would never used to miss an episode but being on the road all the time makes it tough to stay up with it too I know how plugged into I am as well as them Figure I should just not watch for awhile Give them a break Like Dale Earnhardt Sr His crash n passing Last time I watched NASCAR Just pisses me off when it does that Enjoy your guys videos a whole bunch 🏁Lakes👍
Kyle, it's great to see you getting more screen time, and it's really cool to see that you're not pretending to be an outright expert in everything. You'll be putting your old man out of a job in no time :)
Yes Kyle, Good Job and don't take your Old Man For Granted bc I grew up both parents having successful businesses and it could Go So Wrong if We Didn't Count Our Blessings And just tell the old guy that you ❤️ Him and appreciate All His Teachings bc these are most valuable,Kyle? Won't live forever so tell him whilst the getting is good...?!!! ❤️🚨
WAY TO KYLE whos gonna run shop in 10 yrs you best learn everything possible from pops/ you learn all you cn and you can write your own paycheck // by the way you sound just like dad .if dont watch vid you cant tell if its you or dad // love you guys
AMAZING!!! These engines create so much power effortlessly!!! But... With all the push for the conversion to electric, are you concerned our "wonderful" government may put an end to America's obsession with horsepower and fast cars??? Boy I hope not!!! You fellas are INCREDIBLE!!! 🙂
Awesome video. I don’t tune cars but do have a lot of experience in PID tuning normally we done play with D as you get a lot of oscillation from the output while trying to control to a setpoint if the process can’t correct as fast as your trying to tell it to go. Play around with “I” as a fine tune to get it to creep up on your setpoint. Look at P as the first big push to getting to a setpoint. You may know this already but hope it helps if you didn’t.
26:10 Interesting anomaly on the dome pressure. Wonding if there is a way to add a standalone sensor to verify the surge or investigate turbulence from the union flange where the turbos join. The bend in the tubing on the passenger side turbo might generate just enough vacuum to vortice. A high velosity leak also appears behind the drivers side turbo during the last pull. Lastly, the turbo union could be causing the issue due to its divergent shape which slows air flow and causes pressures to lower. My money is on if you were able to check pressure before and after that union I'd bet you'll see a difference. I'm just a retired jet engine mechanic so take it for what it's worth.
I also thought that the merge point looks a little questionable. The way it steps up in size right after could cause a low pressure pocket to form and cause the air to swirl back creating turbulence.
Great Content! Love the father / son time. Somebody has to run the shop when Steve is sipping a Mai Tai on some secluded beach!... WAIT... at Cleeters shop in Florida! LOL! :-)
Good job Kyle?? I mean yes he tuned it like a pro but a bigger tip of the hat has to go to the engine builder, that combo is fierce. If Kyle built that engine and tuned it then holy hell. Question I have is what does Kyle have as a daily driver? A tuning master must have a kick ass ride.
Hey bud this is Charlie from Western PA I was just wondering could you put an engine plate on the front to tie the turbos in to keep everything calm especially the vibrations through the manifold cuz you guys are pumping out some good horsepower and there's a lot of shaking and I thought you know either not don't have to be a whole plate but just maybe something that ties it into the motor so it feels like it's one when it's cranking out some horsepower just an idea bud you build a hell of a motor brother hell yeah brother Charlie Western PA
I wouldn't have come out of the 90s that direction with the dump pipes. Looks like some squirrely turbulence possibilities. Just a old pipe fitter opinion.
Damn Steve my car has a 430ci ls based motor with twin 80s from forced induction and it made 2106hp on 34lbs of boost and 12deg of timing. I built the motor it's a dart block. Frankenstein heads 11.5 comp on methanol. It's in my small tire grudge fox mustang still finishing up the car hoping to have a legit 7 sec street car
I think you guys are the best in the business hands down. I just have one question about some of these twin turbo setups I see (not just yours)… why not use mirror image turbos? From a plumbing/aesthetics standpoint it just looks odd. Is there a technical reason for not using RH/LH housing? Keep up the great work! I hope your channel and business in general continue to grow. You deserve it!
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. With mirror image, you have to carry a left and right turbo in the event of a failure. I do love the look of a mirror image setup!
@Jordan, you're correct. So with mirror image you have to have 4 turbos total to have a spare on hand. With standard turbos, you only have to have 3, because they're all interchangeable. However, I'm guessing this motor to be @ $70k you'd think another $4k for an extra turbo would be more an investment than a financial burden.
Pondering on Cletus issues with the mandrel on Mullet led me to wonder if there is good reason to put a pickup on the fuel pump pulley. If a setup has enough inputs monitoring that rotation could be an engine saver ?? Maybe same on the oil pump pulley ?? Shutting the engine off after we fail to see something like 5 pulley rotations on either one would be better than the lean condition shutting it off at peak HP and 1000' typical engine RPM ?
Curious what the head gasket set up on this combo is? At this power level in an LS I sure hope it has top fuel hoops. Otherwise the buyer will need to keep a supply of head gaskets ready.
Prob a stupid question but why do you have 2 4in pipes from the turbos compressed down into a 4in then to a6 inch. Wouldn't that hurt the turbos. It's just the way your collector is made makes me think it would hurt it. Don't want to be one of "those people" just wanted to know. I certainly enjoy your videos. Thanks for the content.
@@AB-80X well a cooler will reduce the intake temps and that increases the density and that yields more efficient power . They mentioned running this thing on pump gas too. Doing a high end build and leaving obvious power on the table just seems bizarre to me.
apologies still working my way through steve tech, my question is, what is the reason the two turbos have different distances in pipe routing(tubes from turbo to engine sorry not sure the correct phrasing) ? is there a benefit if those two lengths could be equal, or is it not an issue?
On these drag and drive cars it would be a disadvantage if a turbo went down that had a mirrored housing. This engine has the same standard clocking housing so it will be easier to replace in a bind if needed.
Am I the only one that saw that liquid spewing out of the passenger rear of the engine? Just curious if it was something not tightened up or what. I love getting any and all info from these builds even if there is an issue. Thanks for the videos!
I love the "how dare you" sticker on the dyno room glass 😭😂
Greta giving Kyle the evil look. 😂
Yea that cracks me up every time I see it lol
It's Mint Bud👌🏻
were can i get one lol
gretta
How dare you!!!!
Nice to see Kyle doing a video. I thought the video turned out well. That's a stout piece for sure for Sick Week 👌🏻🤘🏻🇺🇸
The " kid " is a great asset to your bottom line brother, straight up gotta be proud of him ( Kyle ) !!! KUDO'S!
He's waaaaay comfortable and extremely effective in front of the camera also, I for one really appreciate his take on things... ( another good job you've done ) Love this shop! Seth
10 minutes in and I just noticed the “how dare you!” Sticker on the window 🤣
Love you guys, keep up the awesome work and the videos!
Love your videos, you have to be a incrediblely proud dad to have such a great kid taking the reigns 👍
It's great to see your son involved and progressing
Love that you guys have been going into more of the tuning you have been doing. Please keep it coming 👍
Great video . Kyle is really stepping up to the plate, very knowledgeable . Lots of information here . Thanks so much.
8:01 those are some slick turbos!! They spin forever, I bet they have incredible response.
check out there site there like 5k a piece
Yeah but check out Jose at forced inductions if you wanna go fast.
These are some of the most drop dead gorgeous pieces of metal known to man kind, :)…
I'm digging the longer format videos. I'm not complaining about the ones under 10 minutes though. Great job!
I like how the old man had to come check on the son when the big boost started kicking in. “I heard ya hit the rev limiter”! Lol. Awesome videos. Keep up the good work. Hopefully one day i can afford one of your setups.
Kyle should make videos as well! Father son duo on the same page would kill the views!
It would be really cool if you could give a roundabout figure of what a motor like this would cost to build. It would give your viewer an idea if they would want to pursue something to that degree or not. If you could do that with each engine you put on the dyno it would be even better.
My guess is its one of those, if you have to ask you can't afford it kinda deals 😂
If you budget $50k you'll be in the ballpark.
@@skullhart id say 50-60k. I think the LMR starts at 87k.
@@Matty.Hill_87 back in the day i thought 22k in my motor was the sh!t, that buys the rotating assembly in one of these lol
@@michaelkennedy2528 Right? I thought My Lingenfelter 383 in My 1990 Corvette L98 was a lot at $16,000 in 1997. That was installed including a 700r4 rebuild and 3000 stall converter(which lasted 5000 miles lol! A 700 is not a strong transmission)
Money buys happiness! 😬 Great video as always, Guys.
I don't think I'll own a Steve Morris engine in this lifetime... I have to get a t shirt!
Steve your son looks just like you.
Only a years wages can u own one lol
I saw the title and was thinking CLICK BAIT an LS cant do that with head gaskets! Then I saw it was Steve Morris, and all doubts went away.
Dig your videos Kyle. Be blessed my friend's.
Damn Right.
Good job Kyle…!!
Thats a lot of power from an LS with that little boost. One hell of a combo
I'm surprised that Kyle isn't more familiar with tuning pid values, as I know that he tunes a lot of high HP cars. It's not a a huge deal, it's just swinging too far and as a result recovering too far trying to keep the boost regulated. Your wastegate manufacturer won't even be able to tell you exactly what pid value will be best, you will just have to perfect it based on a lot of factors per application. The best resource for learning this is RUclips and make sure you're not searching for automotive pid tuning in your search, the best videos are people explaining how to tune pid values in a generic sense. Computer geeks that control things through a circuit board use pid values for everything and will explain ensuring that your "P" value isn't too aggressive, thus won't require such an aggressive "I" value in order to bring it back within range and the significance of the "D" value.
I like this setup in the video!! That setup is going to get it done with some dome pressure and timing!! Great video!!
Thanks for the input! Yeah particularly on the holley stuff ive never had to change it before its just always been right. I will definitely be experimenting and looking into it more!
I didn’t see his numbers but assuming his proportional isn’t too aggressive he should be able to smooth it out with a little more integration time.
@@Motorsportkyle this is why you guys are the greatest. Not yelling at someone for some constructive criticism and simply explaining and just being chill! Shows so much about your character. Also you guys build the BADDEST engines on the planet. Good on you Kyle!!!
The Kyle Morris smallblock is very nice!
Attention to detail definitely pays off! That level of power is insane for that engine.
good you are getting Kyle onto the Vids, always good to see the next generation.
Steve you have to be extremely proud of your son he is awesome
Man, some day when Steve retires to Florida to go fishing, the business will be in good hands with Kyle.
That’s some healthy oil pressure on there
Bad ass LS
Harts turbos ..
Hot dam.
Thanks again into your insight of engine's, great video, all the best to yous and your loved ones
Love the sticker on the dyno window!
Nasty LS.Wow.great job
Kyle you have come along way before Long the apprentice will be a teacher himself GODSPEED
You guys are the best. Thank you for the great work.
Great video guys mine is a similar setup they will make some steam that’s forsure. If you put aluminum rods in it I’ve seen 3.000 out of them of here I think Borowsky race engines made almost three grand on the dyno on RUclips. I’m gonna have to have mine put on the dyno.
Great job Kyle. At 26lbs of boost this LS should zero problems with head gaskets. I can't wait to see a SML on a dyno with about 35 - 40 lbs of boost.
I suspect you would just see a cracked block....
Boost tells you nothing. It's just a measure of resistance. Cylinder pressure is what kills things. You can hurt things with 15 psi and make things live with 30.
Hey Kyle
Great to see ya Man
Been a real pleasure getting to know you Folks
You n your dad have a real nuts n bolts kind of way of explaining such a high degree of knowledge and understanding of what's going on with your engines and cars
Makes it super enjoyable watching and listening
To know those drive trains like you do
Just listening to them even and instinctively knowing what's with them
I'm so about that
I have great respect for all the Stress Outlaws n NPK Folks too but sometimes the show scripts etc get to much for me
It's always telling me a different story than what most see n hear
For instance Shawn n the Murder Nova
Amazing people n ride but it has that black rifle pointed right @me
Telling me something different than what the rest see
Gets exhausting sometimes
Would never used to miss an episode but being on the road all the time makes it tough to stay up with it too
I know how plugged into I am as well as them
Figure I should just not watch for awhile
Give them a break
Like Dale Earnhardt Sr
His crash n passing
Last time I watched NASCAR
Just pisses me off when it does that
Enjoy your guys videos a whole bunch
🏁Lakes👍
Your helper dude is going to be amazing leading from you and doing all that work heck yeah opportunity of a life time
It's his son.
Damn how did I miss that
Kyle, it's great to see you getting more screen time, and it's really cool to see that you're not pretending to be an outright expert in everything. You'll be putting your old man out of a job in no time :)
Great videos Steve
Yes Kyle, Good Job and don't take your Old Man For Granted bc I grew up both parents having successful businesses and it could Go So Wrong if We Didn't Count Our Blessings And just tell the old guy that you ❤️ Him and appreciate All His Teachings bc these are most valuable,Kyle? Won't live forever so tell him whilst the getting is good...?!!! ❤️🚨
Need those mirrored turbos like NRE. Know it doesnt change performance, but it looks so much better.
Boy the apple doesn't fall far from the tree!
WAY TO KYLE whos gonna run shop in 10 yrs you best learn everything possible from pops/ you learn all you cn and you can write your own paycheck // by the way you sound just like dad .if dont watch vid you cant tell if its you or dad // love you guys
AMAZING!!! These engines create so much power effortlessly!!!
But... With all the push for the conversion to electric, are you concerned our "wonderful" government may put an end to America's obsession with horsepower and fast cars??? Boy I hope not!!! You fellas are INCREDIBLE!!! 🙂
Awesome video. I don’t tune cars but do have a lot of experience in PID tuning normally we done play with D as you get a lot of oscillation from the output while trying to control to a setpoint if the process can’t correct as fast as your trying to tell it to go. Play around with “I” as a fine tune to get it to creep up on your setpoint. Look at P as the first big push to getting to a setpoint.
You may know this already but hope it helps if you didn’t.
26:10 Interesting anomaly on the dome pressure. Wonding if there is a way to add a standalone sensor to verify the surge or investigate turbulence from the union flange where the turbos join. The bend in the tubing on the passenger side turbo might generate just enough vacuum to vortice. A high velosity leak also appears behind the drivers side turbo during the last pull. Lastly, the turbo union could be causing the issue due to its divergent shape which slows air flow and causes pressures to lower. My money is on if you were able to check pressure before and after that union I'd bet you'll see a difference.
I'm just a retired jet engine mechanic so take it for what it's worth.
I also thought that the merge point looks a little questionable. The way it steps up in size right after could cause a low pressure pocket to form and cause the air to swirl back creating turbulence.
Building art that makes power 💪
Killing it with content. Fantastic
Cute little LS. Cool video
Great Content! Love the father / son time. Somebody has to run the shop when Steve is sipping a Mai Tai on some secluded beach!... WAIT... at Cleeters shop in Florida! LOL! :-)
The old saying “ a chip off the old block” applies here
love following SME. can you explain Dome Pressure in future video? thanks 👍🏻
Good job Kyle?? I mean yes he tuned it like a pro but a bigger tip of the hat has to go to the engine builder, that combo is fierce. If Kyle built that engine and tuned it then holy hell. Question I have is what does Kyle have as a daily driver? A tuning master must have a kick ass ride.
Love these videos thank you for sharing 🇦🇺
I love the window sticker! lol
Kyle Morris is the man!
That’s really really good power for the boost!!! Very nice!
Good video as allways thanks for sharing
Hey bud this is Charlie from Western PA I was just wondering could you put an engine plate on the front to tie the turbos in to keep everything calm especially the vibrations through the manifold cuz you guys are pumping out some good horsepower and there's a lot of shaking and I thought you know either not don't have to be a whole plate but just maybe something that ties it into the motor so it feels like it's one when it's cranking out some horsepower just an idea bud you build a hell of a motor brother hell yeah brother Charlie Western PA
I bet you are a proud father of that one 👍👍👍👍👍👍
damn that's a big throttle body
Uninformed question incoming. How come the turbo outlet tubes going into the throttle body, are irregularly shaped, and are they equal length?
Crazy the cost of some of this stuff, 😢yet well worth every penny
I wouldn't have come out of the 90s that direction with the dump pipes. Looks like some squirrely turbulence possibilities. Just a old pipe fitter opinion.
Damn Steve my car has a 430ci ls based motor with twin 80s from forced induction and it made 2106hp on 34lbs of boost and 12deg of timing. I built the motor it's a dart block. Frankenstein heads 11.5 comp on methanol. It's in my small tire grudge fox mustang still finishing up the car hoping to have a legit 7 sec street car
Looks like the Holley/Flowtech turbo headers are good for 2000+hp. All for $250. Nice.!
what acceleration rate are you using on most of your pulls. runs are really quick.
I think you guys are the best in the business hands down. I just have one question about some of these twin turbo setups I see (not just yours)… why not use mirror image turbos? From a plumbing/aesthetics standpoint it just looks odd. Is there a technical reason for not using RH/LH housing?
Keep up the great work! I hope your channel and business in general continue to grow. You deserve it!
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. With mirror image, you have to carry a left and right turbo in the event of a failure.
I do love the look of a mirror image setup!
@Jordan, you're correct. So with mirror image you have to have 4 turbos total to have a spare on hand. With standard turbos, you only have to have 3, because they're all interchangeable.
However, I'm guessing this motor to be @ $70k you'd think another $4k for an extra turbo would be more an investment than a financial burden.
I’m guessing Kyle made this thumbnail for Alex Taylor. Any chance you can explain dome pressure?
Really good content, love all the information
When you retork the heads how much do they usually move ?
Pondering on Cletus issues with the mandrel on Mullet led me to wonder if there is good reason to put a pickup on the fuel pump pulley. If a setup has enough inputs monitoring that rotation could be an engine saver ?? Maybe same on the oil pump pulley ?? Shutting the engine off after we fail to see something like 5 pulley rotations on either one would be better than the lean condition shutting it off at peak HP and 1000' typical engine RPM ?
If the customer don't mind and if you would.. PLEASE ! film the building of the Streamliner engine..
Cool to see the channel growing so fast recently
I’m ready to see the SML run on the dyno!
Cool finesse race
Steve/Kyle, What is the reason not to use egt measuring? Do you now the combination so well that you don't need it?
No reason, other than this is a easy combo that we do know a lot about
Harmonize everything together that's what I was thinking
Nice job bud nice motor
More LS babies plz!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪💪
I love the Gretta thunberg stucker......how dare you
Curious what the head gasket set up on this combo is? At this power level in an LS I sure hope it has top fuel hoops. Otherwise the buyer will need to keep a supply of head gaskets ready.
This has probably been answered but can one turbo put boost back in the other turbo I know little about turbo systems
Prob a stupid question but why do you have 2 4in pipes from the turbos compressed down into a 4in then to a6 inch. Wouldn't that hurt the turbos. It's just the way your collector is made makes me think it would hurt it. Don't want to be one of "those people" just wanted to know. I certainly enjoy your videos. Thanks for the content.
Sweet piece 👍✨️
Really surprised no intercooler, I guess either class rule won't allow or packaging problems?
It's on methanol. What do you need a cooler for?
@@AB-80X well a cooler will reduce the intake temps and that increases the density and that yields more efficient power . They mentioned running this thing on pump gas too. Doing a high end build and leaving obvious power on the table just seems bizarre to me.
Man Steves son has my dream job. So envious. 🤎
History - First water cooled 4 cyl motorbike HOLDEN had 1.5HP
i like them valve covers how much are they
2300hp WTF???? Nice!
apologies still working my way through steve tech, my question is, what is the reason the two turbos have different distances in pipe routing(tubes from turbo to engine sorry not sure the correct phrasing) ? is there a benefit if those two lengths could be equal, or is it not an issue?
That only happens with mirror image turbos, which aren't necessarily built for ultimate performance in mind.
@@lunkydog interesting, ive still got a lot to digest to wrap my head around these engines, appreciate the response!
On these drag and drive cars it would be a disadvantage if a turbo went down that had a mirrored housing. This engine has the same standard clocking housing so it will be easier to replace in a bind if needed.
Am I the only one that saw that liquid spewing out of the passenger rear of the engine? Just curious if it was something not tightened up or what. I love getting any and all info from these builds even if there is an issue. Thanks for the videos!
I saw that too and was hoping he'd talk about it. Oh well...
@@snirtman7223 i do hope he elaborates on it after seeing this comment. Im just curious what it was. Lol like i said, i love info..
Nice work!
Squirting out coolant passenger side rear @7:25 ???
love the how dare you greta in the corner
Would love to know more about the air circulation system and exhaust system of the dyno cells.
I did one room air change and exhaust went underground to a cell keep the noise down and enough air for the motors in the room
great video Kyle just one thing did the shop dog approve of the numbers
Great content thanks for sharing
What are you using to turn the engine as you reassembled the valve train?
Love the Greta sticker
Looks like it should drop in my riding mower pretty easy🤣
What’s the price range for something like this? Are we talking $50k or $100k plus?
Yes