I just shared my own personal copy of Land of Hope & Glory on my Facebook page, i think EVERYONE needs to watch it at least once, as there is no greater motivation to go vegan and stay vegan than to actually "see" what these animals are forced to endure.
Hon, some people raise animals themselves. Quite a few homesteaders are made in part because of our disagreements on issues involved with industrial agriculture as a whole, including animal welfare problems.
Yeah except this dude is ignoring that there’s something else called PASTURE-RAISED. Yes “free range” and “cage free” are meaningless, but pasture-raised is objectively different and it’s a real difference where the animals are happy in healthy.
when i was 8, there was a girl in my class who found out that the beef we ate at school was the cows that lived down the road from her that she had meat and had an attachment to. people in our class teased her, including me, about it and she got angry and slapped me. she wasnt vegetarian. however i regretted it so much and apologised to her, and 4 months later i was vegetarian (i am now vegan) and she teased me by eating meat and rubbing it in my face at lunch. idk just thought that was an interesting story as it made a big difference to her perspective on animal welfare when she found out. she still eats meat and is horrible about veganism.
Almost all the people I talk to disagree with current farming practices but their minds directly goes to needing to have more "free-range, grass-fed, humanely slaughtered, etc ..." as if this helps fixing the root cause.
@@Ganpignanus smh people act like eating animals is unhealthy. Eating the right amount of plants and animals will give you the best possible health not just sticking to one and abandoning the other
Yes there is. Name the Trait is not hard at all to debunk. Let me preface this by saying whether you’re a carnist or vegan that there is some hypothetical you must accept to justify your diet/lifestyle, for carnist it’s whatever trait they named and for vegans it’s accepting a hypothetical where they are reduced to the level of that of bugs and small animals since combines kill both of those in plant production. Ok so the trait is higher sentience and yes I would be willing to be killed if you lowered my sentience and it’s a yes to any question down the line. If you’re vegan and think I’m a psycho you’re a hypocrite because you are accepting a hypothetical where humans are gettting killed regardless. I would love to hear all possible rebuttals but I know there aren’t any. Good Luck!
Veganism is all about reducing your harm the most possible and practicable. It's impossible to be absolute 0 harm. That is still not a justification for slaugthering 56 billions land animals intentionnaly. Your paragraph was a whole non sense.
It is not a valid justification to support the mass slaughter of 56 billions land animal per year just because we cannot be harm free. By your logic, we should'nt arrest murderers and let them do what they want just because there will always be murder cases, no matter what. A simple double standard fallacy pointed out. Good try tho.
Erizon Macani It largely depends on how you define your ethics. If the definition is "happiness is preferred to the absence of happiness which in turn is preferred to suffering", then yes, you can argue. P.S. having said that, I agree that true "free range" and "humane slaughter" does not exist on a market.
i decided to go vegan last month but i having trouble sticking to it because i wasn't really feeling like i was doing the right thing. however, your videos were the boost that i needed, i cried watching this and i'm feeling so bad and so sick thinking about how much suffering is involved in the meat, dairy and eggs industry. i'll never consume animal products ever again.
Humane/cage free/free range/organic/natural/hormone free/grass fed/etc don't mean jack diddly shit to the animals whose lives are taken no matter what label your packaging has.
Thanks for mentioning how you too used to be taken in by "humane" labels. I was too, in the past. I had this notion that hens were allowed to wander uncrowded over acres of grass like the pet hens I grew up with (who incidentally all were allowed to die of old age). The thing is, even those hens hated it and would bite when they were trying to sit on their precious egg and the person they trusted to feed and pet them (me) came with the basket and stole their unborn child. Even the kindest exploitation is still exploitation!
Yes their is happiness in animals who live freely on a farm. All my milk I get comes from farms where they are pasture raised 12 months of the year. They are well taken care of. Same with my eggs chickens, they are outside. I only buy my meat and dairy from local farms who care for their animals...
I suggest taking the time to look up Temple Grandin, and listen to what she has to say. She is an incredible woman that has done everything she can do to make sure processing livestock and animals is humane. She has a way of empathizing with animals, she can really understand what they are feeling. I have raised livestock all my life, and when slaughtering the animals are euthanized. There are many signs to look for if the animal is still alive and feeling, if this is the case, everything is shut down and major investigations occur. We do care about our animals, but they are also a great source of protein. I would rather see animal products than have starving people due to lack of protein and the overuse and deforestation for farmland.
Well shit. I just had a mental breakdown because I've been buying free range eggs thinking that it was that simple, but of course it isn't. Thank you for making these videos, it's turned me and I'm sure it will turn others to see whats truly going on.
Could the exploitation of animals be justified if we improved their welfare to a point where their lives were net pleasure? Maybe the current suffering of animals could even be justified since the pleasure of the animals with net pleasure might outweigh the suffering of the animals with net suffering when thinking long-term?
Can we open a city where people are living such great lifes that they are having even a better life then us and after a few years kill them of? Humanly of course
I really thought I was the best meat eater bought free range, British and organic and then I found out the truth and felt so lied to, so angry and so upset. Now Iam becoming vegan to know the truth! 🌱
Hi Earthling Ed, thank you so much for all of your efforts and awesome content and videos. Can you please do a video on the folly of Allan Savory and his theories people follow on desertification and “land management” for using animals please? It would be great to hear your analysis and viewpoint. Cheers!
I’m just going to cut and past Ed’s videos in the near future when “arguing” with farmers and meat eaters. We’ve heard it all soooo many times it gets tiring, and Ed explains it way better than I can. Hopefully it will get him more revenue from RUclips too🤘
Louis Gedo I know this comment is a bit of a meme but I'm starting to think when we talk about animal abuse I think that talking about facts and logic is counter productive. Just my opinion
There are some people who are completely un-empathetic. They simply don't care about animals in the slightest. Explaining how animal agriculture harms the earth which ultimately hurts us, and hurts other humans will be more effective for those people. We have to tackle it from all sides. Some people respond better to something like Ask Yourself who tries to use logical reasoning and does NOT use emotional arguments. It's sad that there are people who are so cruel but we have to win them over somehow.
Solarpunk Artist I agree fully with your position. My comment is merely one of my default memes....it's not meant to be taken as an argument. As to your point directly, yes, I call that understanding and then targeting the audience. I've done various forms of educational outreach over the 26 years I've been active and I've used different angles based on the audience (or even individual) I encounter. I'm sure you'd agree that if you establish an ongoing communication with someone (more than just a 1 line response or 30 second verbal dialogue, it can be very effective to try to make it clear to the receiver of your info, that you do understand where they are coming from (if you do) being that at one time you thought of animals in the same ways as they or most people do. As you know, most people think that vegans are people that grew up completely different than everyone else....when in reality, 99.99999% of vegans grew up just like everyone else....believing the same things about animals.
Gotpain Mate, It's not meant to be taken as an argument...really, it's just a simple meme (meant to be a bit edgy and provocative, admittedly). With it's use, I've had a number of conversations over the past few months that have ended up productive I believe. Others have used my use of the meme to just be defensive....we can't inspire every mind to come around.
Whether an animal lives in nature, or a very good farm (which are rare), there are pro's and con's. The animal isn't happy when its sick with no veterinary care, not getting enough food thanks to overpopulation or drought, or being eaten alive by predators. Saying life isn't worth some pain leads to the conclusion that the universe would be a better place if no life existed. Humans aren't gods, life will continue to evolve regardless of how little we like it. We can help by keeping populations and the ecosystem in balance, something we're currently shit at doing.
The difference is we put them in farms TO exploit not to be free. Of course truly living in nature will have its share of pain and suffering. But that is the case for all beings. We as humans, in many countries, are ultimately free, that doesn't mean we don't suffer. But, when other humans enslave other humans, that sort of suffering is not equivalent to suffering in the wild. One is forced, one isn't. Also, humans aren't here to keep the ecosystem in balance. That is mother nature's job. Humans were born yesterday in terms of how long humans haven't populated the earth. Let's not pretend humans are some sort of God to watch over life on earth. We are animals ourselves, not an almighty God. The other reason we have to "watch over things" is because we have screwed it up in the first place with our own practices. The reason animals are exploited is because of us, the reason we have trash in our oceans and dying fish is because of us. We are the last beings that you'd want "regulating" nature anyways.
Ben Ward Having morals is apart of being human, it’s not moral to rape, murder, abuse or scare anyone is it? So why should it be okay to take the life of a being who wants nothing to do with us other to live it’s life, this act we do is disgusting and will never be acceptable. Test your brain, learn something new... I know it’s difficult to see the truth when you’re brainwashed into thinking eating this way is okay, we all ate meat or dairy before but we made the connection, and if we have the ability to not cause harm upon these beings, then why don’t we ?
Ed, you are an angel, sent to help these helpless beings, but there needs to be a better more effective way of getting this message out. Right now it seems more like, you're preaching to the choir!
Ok you lost me with the damer thing. I live on a family farm. Our cattle live better lives then if they were on a factor farm. And to be honest, if the world went instantly vegan what would you do with all the cattle? They are domesticated. Yeah, they can be pets, but the cost for them and the land they use is a lot more than a dog or other animal. I literally have grown up on a humane farm. They have a pond to swim in, fresh water, social interaction with other animals and humans, fresh pesticide and hormone free food that is grown right on the farm. You can’t lump all farming together as if they don’t care about the animals. I spent about 3 days camped in our field when one of our cattle got sick and nursed him back to health. Small and humane farmers love and care for their cattle.
Have you even watched the video? Besides, to ask 'what would we do with all the cattle' is the same as asking 'what would we do with all the guns if we suddenly achieved world peace'.
This seems contradictory to the suffering argument. If it is all about minimising suffering (and this being the reason why killing plants is just fine), then surely if you can reduce the suffering to just the act of killing , it becomes justifiable by your moral code. I agree - the animal wants to live. Plants and trees are also driven towards life hence seeking out water and sun, creating poisons on their leaves in case they’re bitten etc etc. I’m not sure you can have it both ways
The problem seems more to be the fact the animals are being bred to be born into this world on a human's behalf. To be bred just to be killed and considered nothing but a product is a horrible thing.
When you used the example of the murderer who drugged his victims to compare to stunning animals before processing them, there is a difference. Humans are the only animals capable of reasoning, and deep, critical thought. Killing a human could very well make a massive difference. They could have cured cancer, or invented a revolutionary invention. But a chicken, on the other hand, does not make much of a difference at all. It’s simply one more chicken. Of course, we know animals still feel pain, and still feel emotions, which is the exact reason we make sure they feel no pain whatsoever. We say humane slaughter because they aren’t suffering in the end. It’s quick and painless. Of course, chickens in tight cramped spaces do suffer, and I’m very much against those farms that subject chickens to this sort of thing. If all our farms were truly free range, and animals were truly happy and comfortable before death, that would be the best solution. No pain while growing up, and no pain before being processed. Not only would that make sure they don’t suffer, it would increase the quality of the meat and byproducts!
Isn’t it better to support more welfare-driven places when getting meat for an animal that needs to eat it, such as cats and dogs? I am vegan, my pets are not. My dogs get meat from places that raise their animals as best as possible up until their death. I wish there was a better way, but I don’t want my dogs to suffer the health issues and have the nutritional imbalances that come with being on a Plant-Based diet.
Honestly death is just as beautiful as life is. I slaughter and sometimes hunt my own animals and it makes my family respect the meal on the table even more because we saw the meat alive and often took care of it for years. They've had a great life and I don't regret their death at all, it's a wonderful cycle
Thank you Ed for summarising the truth behind dairy. I was unaware of this only a few years ago. The power of societal habits and brainwashing I guess...
Out of pure curiosity, are you against people putting down a pet because of maybe incurable cancer or another painful ailment that they will not survive of? You said “the only humanely way to slaughter an animal is to not slaughter them” but at a certain point isn’t it more cruel to keep a pet alive than to peacefully let it rest? Not being a contrarian, just a genuine question.
we can improve the living conditions, but does that mean it is moral to kill an animal to eat it, when we have other options to eat that don't involve killing animals and the sentient animal doesn't want to die.
Thanas Stefanis V depends what you view as moral. I see no issue with killing an animal and it depends on what you view as their purpose. I understand its a sensitive topic but people view the world differently.
technically the best we can do for these human modified version of animals is send them to sanctuaries (as their current versions cannot hope to thrive in the wild).
Sorry but these tactics you have used throughout this video are very dishonest, and you havent really addressed the point in hand. You basically said its not being done properly.
You know the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...”? I suggest you look the other way and technically nothing has suffered.
Name the Trait is not hard at all to debunk. Let me preface this by saying whether you’re a carnist or vegan that there is some hypothetical you must accept to justify your diet/lifestyle, for carnist it’s whatever trait they named and for vegans it’s accepting a hypothetical where they are reduced to the level of that of bugs and small animals since combines kill both of those in plant production. Ok so the trait is higher sentience and yes I would be willing to be killed if you lowered my sentience and it’s a yes to any question down the line. If you’re vegan and think I’m a psycho you’re a hypocrite because you are accepting a hypothetical where humans are gettting killed regardless. I would love to hear all possible rebuttals but I know there aren’t any. Good Luck!
Plenty of facts on why veganism is the only logical and sustainable solution to a lot of our current problems were seeing on the planet today such as climate change, ocean dead zones, 91% loss of the Amazon, species extinctions, etc. There's also the ethical reason of unnecessary cruelty to sentient beings humans don't need to eat to survive and thrive. Here are some links if you wish to research more on your own: www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
lol i gave one ethical reason. the rest are facts. you don't have to believe science if you don't want i suppose. animal agriculture will still be the main cause of climate change at the end of the day.
Angel Tirado "the trait is higher sentience" In modern Western philosophy, sentience is defined as the ability to experience sensations, and the most relevant sensation in this context is pain. There is no reason to think that animals feel pain less than us, in fact Richard Dawkins argues that they might feel it more. We humans, as more intelligent beings, might not need to feel so much pain to understand we shouldn't do again something that can harm us, while a less intelligent being might need to experience more pain to understand the same thing quickly, before it's too late.
I think the argument that he uses is really flawed! If you claim that the humane ways of farming animals when they have enough and comfortable space to live and killing animals when they don't suffer any pain is still wrong then what you value is just 'life'! In this case it can be argued that plants are living species and they have the right to live! Besides while farming plants you need to use pesticides which results in killing of lots of other animals which have the right to live as well and you can go on using this argument in any case like cutting forest to have farm lands or constructing roads, factories or cities which all cause lots of disruption in other animals' lives. What I believe is that for him not that much veganism is important (despite what he might think of himself) as it is to have a cause, this activism gives him goal in life and makes his life meaningful, to me he got all the criteria of a very religious person just his religion is veganism which perhaps is even a less developed religion/philosophy than the existing ones.
I think I what what you mean an ya to me life is not precious alone it is quality of life that matters and if they suffer or not to me is the thing that really matters,, although I dont think plants can suffer I read they know when they are being cut but they dont have an ability to care about it ,,,
I'll try and make it as clear as possible. Animals are sentient beings, meaning they experience life with emotions, pain, happiness, sadness, joy, depression, they have families and create bonds. Animals, all animals, including human animals, have a central nervous system. Plants, do not. Plants can't feel pain, they react to stimuli. If you don't believe me, go outside and kick or beat a dog, cat, pig, cow, or chicken, let me know if they cry out in pain. Then do the same to a plant.
"There is no right way to do the wrong thing"
love that quote
I just shared my own personal copy of Land of Hope & Glory on my Facebook page, i think EVERYONE needs to watch it at least once, as there is no greater motivation to go vegan and stay vegan than to actually "see" what these animals are forced to endure.
thank you for sharing the film!
Hon, some people raise animals themselves. Quite a few homesteaders are made in part because of our disagreements on issues involved with industrial agriculture as a whole, including animal welfare problems.
Very important that people know the truth about "free range". Great video.
@@tommaginnis9948 the fact you spent so long to write this for THIS?
Yeah except this dude is ignoring that there’s something else called PASTURE-RAISED. Yes “free range” and “cage free” are meaningless, but pasture-raised is objectively different and it’s a real difference where the animals are happy in healthy.
when i was 8, there was a girl in my class who found out that the beef we ate at school was the cows that lived down the road from her that she had meat and had an attachment to. people in our class teased her, including me, about it and she got angry and slapped me. she wasnt vegetarian. however i regretted it so much and apologised to her, and 4 months later i was vegetarian (i am now vegan) and she teased me by eating meat and rubbing it in my face at lunch. idk just thought that was an interesting story as it made a big difference to her perspective on animal welfare when she found out. she still eats meat and is horrible about veganism.
Veganism=life of compassion, is the only answer
tom maginnis, anti human! what a load of bs!
TheFettuck, do you have compassion for plants, fungi and bacteria?
TheFettuck, you didn't answer my question
tom maginnis I can't stop laughing your such a joke
TheFettuck what do u eat
Seeing vegan ads on RUclips is amazing. What you're doing for the movement is incredibly commendable and inspirational.
purpleturtles#9 what vegan ads?
purpleturtles#9 thank Sandra Higgins for that.
Animal liberation 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
@Malorie Grubbs HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!
Almost all the people I talk to disagree with current farming practices but their minds directly goes to needing to have more "free-range, grass-fed, humanely slaughtered, etc ..." as if this helps fixing the root cause.
they are addicted to eating corpses... it will eventually kill them sooner or later. i'm glad i'm vegan. happy healthy life.
@@Ganpignanus Veganism won't give you immortality.
@@Ganpignanus smh people act like eating animals is unhealthy.
Eating the right amount of plants and animals will give you the best possible health not just sticking to one and abandoning the other
*On the internet* - Yay! Vegans everywhere!
*In real life* - ... I'm the only vegan on the planet.
My dad and some of my friends are vegan
Strange thing is people are happy to eat medical drugs everyday but hate the thought of eating plants based. Sad but funny truth.
So true
There are no arguments against veganism, only excuses.
Yes there is. Name the Trait is not hard at all to debunk. Let me preface this by saying whether you’re a carnist or vegan that there is some hypothetical you must accept to justify your diet/lifestyle, for carnist it’s whatever trait they named and for vegans it’s accepting a hypothetical where they are reduced to the level of that of bugs and small animals since combines kill both of those in plant production. Ok so the trait is higher sentience and yes I would be willing to be killed if you lowered my sentience and it’s a yes to any question down the line. If you’re vegan and think I’m a psycho you’re a hypocrite because you are accepting a hypothetical where humans are gettting killed regardless. I would love to hear all possible rebuttals but I know there aren’t any. Good Luck!
Robert Bruce lol, nice joke, plenty of arguments against it
Veganism is all about reducing your harm the most possible and practicable. It's impossible to be absolute 0 harm. That is still not a justification for slaugthering 56 billions land animals intentionnaly. Your paragraph was a whole non sense.
Tony De Sousa It’s not a justification cause you said so? I think it is a justification.
It is not a valid justification to support the mass slaughter of 56 billions land animal per year just because we cannot be harm free.
By your logic, we should'nt arrest murderers and let them do what they want just because there will always be murder cases, no matter what.
A simple double standard fallacy pointed out.
Good try tho.
No excuse for animal USE !
I don't need excuse to use them.
You simply cannot argue against this. If you try you become ethically inconsistent and hypocritical.
Erizon Macani It largely depends on how you define your ethics. If the definition is "happiness is preferred to the absence of happiness which in turn is preferred to suffering", then yes, you can argue.
P.S. having said that, I agree that true "free range" and "humane slaughter" does not exist on a market.
thank u for inspiring me ! i decided to go 100 % vegan now. Been a vegetarian for 6 years
i decided to go vegan last month but i having trouble sticking to it because i wasn't really feeling like i was doing the right thing. however, your videos were the boost that i needed, i cried watching this and i'm feeling so bad and so sick thinking about how much suffering is involved in the meat, dairy and eggs industry. i'll never consume animal products ever again.
@Laura Lima I forgive you!
Humane/cage free/free range/organic/natural/hormone free/grass fed/etc don't mean jack diddly shit to the animals whose lives are taken no matter what label your packaging has.
was waiting for this.. thanks so much Ed!
tom marginnis omg
There's actually so much delusion in so many places in your comment that I have no energy to adress it all lol
Gotta give you credit for being one of the biggest trolls I've seen so far. That's an accomplishment.
Why do less evil when you can do the right thing?
They should show all of your videos in school!!
Wow! When you thought the content of these videos couldn't get any better, you hit the nail on the head with this one.. Powerful x
Thanks for mentioning how you too used to be taken in by "humane" labels. I was too, in the past. I had this notion that hens were allowed to wander uncrowded over acres of grass like the pet hens I grew up with (who incidentally all were allowed to die of old age). The thing is, even those hens hated it and would bite when they were trying to sit on their precious egg and the person they trusted to feed and pet them (me) came with the basket and stole their unborn child. Even the kindest exploitation is still exploitation!
Yes their is happiness in animals who live freely on a farm. All my milk I get comes from farms where they are pasture raised 12 months of the year. They are well taken care of. Same with my eggs chickens, they are outside. I only buy my meat and dairy from local farms who care for their animals...
I suggest taking the time to look up Temple Grandin, and listen to what she has to say. She is an incredible woman that has done everything she can do to make sure processing livestock and animals is humane. She has a way of empathizing with animals, she can really understand what they are feeling. I have raised livestock all my life, and when slaughtering the animals are euthanized. There are many signs to look for if the animal is still alive and feeling, if this is the case, everything is shut down and major investigations occur. We do care about our animals, but they are also a great source of protein. I would rather see animal products than have starving people due to lack of protein and the overuse and deforestation for farmland.
This "free range"/"grass fed"/etc excuse is such nonsense when you break it down logically.
Well shit. I just had a mental breakdown because I've been buying free range eggs thinking that it was that simple, but of course it isn't. Thank you for making these videos, it's turned me and I'm sure it will turn others to see whats truly going on.
Could the exploitation of animals be justified if we improved their welfare to a point where their lives were net pleasure? Maybe the current suffering of animals could even be justified since the pleasure of the animals with net pleasure might outweigh the suffering of the animals with net suffering when thinking long-term?
Can we open a city where people are living such great lifes that they are having even a better life then us and after a few years kill them of? Humanly of course
I want to get educated on Veganism but where do I start? I have some knowledge, and I am currently vegan. I just need to get smarter.
Hakeem Isaacs There are some multiple RUclips channels that could help.
The documentary Cowspiracy is great if you want to know more about the environmental impacts!
Thanks for all of your help guys! 🌏💚✌
Andrea Colletti Thanks
Max Grassfed I am already vegan lol. I just need knowledge. I have the passion but lack knowledge.
EXCELLENT, Ed.! Your reasoning, clarification and arguments make sound sense. Thanks, once again.
I really thought I was the best meat eater bought free range, British and organic and then I found out the truth and felt so lied to, so angry and so upset. Now Iam becoming vegan to know the truth! 🌱
Hi Earthling Ed, thank you so much for all of your efforts and awesome content and videos. Can you please do a video on the folly of Allan Savory and his theories people follow on desertification and “land management” for using animals please? It would be great to hear your analysis and viewpoint. Cheers!
check out mic the vegans video on this topic, I think it will tell you what you want to know.
Thanas Stefanis V Thank you! Yes, I’ve seen his videos on the topic, but would like another perspective and I enjoy Earthling Ed’s approach. Cheers!
I think he’s addressed it now
This might be my favourite video in this series so far, but they are all excellent rebuttals.
I went vegan. Thanks! ♥️
I’m just going to cut and past Ed’s videos in the near future when “arguing” with farmers and meat eaters. We’ve heard it all soooo many times it gets tiring, and Ed explains it way better than I can. Hopefully it will get him more revenue from RUclips too🤘
What do you think about hunting ? (I'm vegan, that's not an attack, but some of my family members use this argument)
Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time
Louis Gedo I know this comment is a bit of a meme but I'm starting to think when we talk about animal abuse I think that talking about facts and logic is counter productive. Just my opinion
There are some people who are completely un-empathetic. They simply don't care about animals in the slightest. Explaining how animal agriculture harms the earth which ultimately hurts us, and hurts other humans will be more effective for those people. We have to tackle it from all sides. Some people respond better to something like Ask Yourself who tries to use logical reasoning and does NOT use emotional arguments. It's sad that there are people who are so cruel but we have to win them over somehow.
Solarpunk Artist
I agree fully with your position. My comment is merely one of my default memes....it's not meant to be taken as an argument.
As to your point directly, yes, I call that understanding and then targeting the audience. I've done various forms of educational outreach over the 26 years I've been active and I've used different angles based on the audience (or even individual) I encounter.
I'm sure you'd agree that if you establish an ongoing communication with someone (more than just a 1 line response or 30 second verbal dialogue, it can be very effective to try to make it clear to the receiver of your info, that you do understand where they are coming from (if you do) being that at one time you thought of animals in the same ways as they or most people do. As you know, most people think that vegans are people that grew up completely different than everyone else....when in reality, 99.99999% of vegans grew up just like everyone else....believing the same things about animals.
Gotpain Mate,
It's not meant to be taken as an argument...really, it's just a simple meme (meant to be a bit edgy and provocative, admittedly).
With it's use, I've had a number of conversations over the past few months that have ended up productive I believe. Others have used my use of the meme to just be defensive....we can't inspire every mind to come around.
haha I was responding to Gotpain Mate, not you. I know it's a meme.
Whether an animal lives in nature, or a very good farm (which are rare), there are pro's and con's. The animal isn't happy when its sick with no veterinary care, not getting enough food thanks to overpopulation or drought, or being eaten alive by predators. Saying life isn't worth some pain leads to the conclusion that the universe would be a better place if no life existed. Humans aren't gods, life will continue to evolve regardless of how little we like it. We can help by keeping populations and the ecosystem in balance, something we're currently shit at doing.
The difference is we put them in farms TO exploit not to be free. Of course truly living in nature will have its share of pain and suffering. But that is the case for all beings. We as humans, in many countries, are ultimately free, that doesn't mean we don't suffer. But, when other humans enslave other humans, that sort of suffering is not equivalent to suffering in the wild. One is forced, one isn't. Also, humans aren't here to keep the ecosystem in balance. That is mother nature's job. Humans were born yesterday in terms of how long humans haven't populated the earth. Let's not pretend humans are some sort of God to watch over life on earth. We are animals ourselves, not an almighty God. The other reason we have to "watch over things" is because we have screwed it up in the first place with our own practices. The reason animals are exploited is because of us, the reason we have trash in our oceans and dying fish is because of us. We are the last beings that you'd want "regulating" nature anyways.
Keep spreading the awareness!!
You are so smart.
Nothing moral about eating animals when we have alternative cruelty free healthy food ...
Morality is subjective and open for debate so I don't agree with you
Ben Ward Having morals is apart of being human, it’s not moral to rape, murder, abuse or scare anyone is it? So why should it be okay to take the life of a being who wants nothing to do with us other to live it’s life, this act we do is disgusting and will never be acceptable. Test your brain, learn something new... I know it’s difficult to see the truth when you’re brainwashed into thinking eating this way is okay, we all ate meat or dairy before but we made the connection, and if we have the ability to not cause harm upon these beings, then why don’t we ?
Ed, you are an angel, sent to help these helpless beings, but there needs to be a better more effective way of getting this message out. Right now it seems more like, you're preaching to the choir!
Ok you lost me with the damer thing. I live on a family farm. Our cattle live better lives then if they were on a factor farm. And to be honest, if the world went instantly vegan what would you do with all the cattle? They are domesticated. Yeah, they can be pets, but the cost for them and the land they use is a lot more than a dog or other animal. I literally have grown up on a humane farm. They have a pond to swim in, fresh water, social interaction with other animals and humans, fresh pesticide and hormone free food that is grown right on the farm. You can’t lump all farming together as if they don’t care about the animals. I spent about 3 days camped in our field when one of our cattle got sick and nursed him back to health. Small and humane farmers love and care for their cattle.
Have you even watched the video? Besides, to ask 'what would we do with all the cattle' is the same as asking 'what would we do with all the guns if we suddenly achieved world peace'.
yes you can improve animal welfare by becoming vegan. no more torture or killing or eating flesh.
This seems contradictory to the suffering argument. If it is all about minimising suffering (and this being the reason why killing plants is just fine), then surely if you can reduce the suffering to just the act of killing , it becomes justifiable by your moral code.
I agree - the animal wants to live. Plants and trees are also driven towards life hence seeking out water and sun, creating poisons on their leaves in case they’re bitten etc etc.
I’m not sure you can have it both ways
I love these videos so much!
Great video, looking forward to the rest of them
2024 - still actual and accurate, thank you Ed!
AMAZING! THANK YOU!
The problem seems more to be the fact the animals are being bred to be born into this world on a human's behalf. To be bred just to be killed and considered nothing but a product is a horrible thing.
Can you make a video about why wool isn't vegan?
There is never a right way, to do the wrong thing.
thank you Ed
Hopefully, the people who claim that will soon realise their own stupidity.
What do you think about animals killed through pesticides? Is there anyway to reduce their death?
Bloody brilliant! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Can I add subtitles to your videos? :)
yes :) thank you!
What does it say on minute 1.58? Caged counterparts are also from BBD? No ides
Idea*!!
When you used the example of the murderer who drugged his victims to compare to stunning animals before processing them, there is a difference. Humans are the only animals capable of reasoning, and deep, critical thought. Killing a human could very well make a massive difference. They could have cured cancer, or invented a revolutionary invention. But a chicken, on the other hand, does not make much of a difference at all. It’s simply one more chicken. Of course, we know animals still feel pain, and still feel emotions, which is the exact reason we make sure they feel no pain whatsoever. We say humane slaughter because they aren’t suffering in the end. It’s quick and painless. Of course, chickens in tight cramped spaces do suffer, and I’m very much against those farms that subject chickens to this sort of thing. If all our farms were truly free range, and animals were truly happy and comfortable before death, that would be the best solution. No pain while growing up, and no pain before being processed. Not only would that make sure they don’t suffer, it would increase the quality of the meat and byproducts!
So, are you telling me that if there is a human too disabled to make a difference in this world, I have a moral right to drug him and then kill him?
Is this a joke? Honestly im left speechless on how many issues i had with this video. Its very misleading.
You're the only one misled here, buddy.
Fellow vegan here. I just want to see if there's any non vegans watching?
Mako Yuhara for someone reason this is in my recommended
Isn’t it better to support more welfare-driven places when getting meat for an animal that needs to eat it, such as cats and dogs?
I am vegan, my pets are not. My dogs get meat from places that raise their animals as best as possible up until their death. I wish there was a better way, but I don’t want my dogs to suffer the health issues and have the nutritional imbalances that come with being on a Plant-Based diet.
Honestly death is just as beautiful as life is. I slaughter and sometimes hunt my own animals and it makes my family respect the meal on the table even more because we saw the meat alive and often took care of it for years. They've had a great life and I don't regret their death at all, it's a wonderful cycle
Love u, man!
Shure. Keep up ur bad habbiTS cuz of ur own unsecurities..
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This one made me cry
Thank you that’s great!!
Thank you Ed for summarising the truth behind dairy. I was unaware of this only a few years ago. The power of societal habits and brainwashing I guess...
Out of pure curiosity, are you against people putting down a pet because of maybe incurable cancer or another painful ailment that they will not survive of?
You said “the only humanely way to slaughter an animal is to not slaughter them” but at a certain point isn’t it more cruel to keep a pet alive than to peacefully let it rest?
Not being a contrarian, just a genuine question.
That's just euthanasia under sickness.
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Minced poodle, oh god...
You should ve edited more pictures and short video's man, but keep it up
This excuse is silly
Just because the meat processing industry is Doing It Wrong doesn't mean its wrong to eat meat.
@@magicpigeon_ no it doesn't not
Mustafa Quadri yes it does
@@magicpigeon_ no it does not
Yes we can. Thats the answer.
we can improve the living conditions, but does that mean it is moral to kill an animal to eat it, when we have other options to eat that don't involve killing animals and the sentient animal doesn't want to die.
Thanas Stefanis V depends what you view as moral. I see no issue with killing an animal and it depends on what you view as their purpose. I understand its a sensitive topic but people view the world differently.
why did GOD allow something
immoral
but says FEAR GOD
technically the best we can do for these human modified version of animals is send them to sanctuaries (as their current versions cannot hope to thrive in the wild).
Sorry but these tactics you have used throughout this video are very dishonest, and you havent really addressed the point in hand. You basically said its not being done properly.
How the argument that the welfare of animal farms should be improved but not abolished is what he directly refuted here
You know the saying, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...”? I suggest you look the other way and technically nothing has suffered.
Imagine if people had that attitude with slavery and then Jim Crow laws. Not a good way to be.
Name the Trait is not hard at all to debunk. Let me preface this by saying whether you’re a carnist or vegan that there is some hypothetical you must accept to justify your diet/lifestyle, for carnist it’s whatever trait they named and for vegans it’s accepting a hypothetical where they are reduced to the level of that of bugs and small animals since combines kill both of those in plant production. Ok so the trait is higher sentience and yes I would be willing to be killed if you lowered my sentience and it’s a yes to any question down the line. If you’re vegan and think I’m a psycho you’re a hypocrite because you are accepting a hypothetical where humans are gettting killed regardless. I would love to hear all possible rebuttals but I know there aren’t any. Good Luck!
Plenty of facts on why veganism is the only logical and sustainable solution to a lot of our current problems were seeing on the planet today such as climate change, ocean dead zones, 91% loss of the Amazon, species extinctions, etc.
There's also the ethical reason of unnecessary cruelty to sentient beings humans don't need to eat to survive and thrive.
Here are some links if you wish to research more on your own:
www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan
www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
Leilani Puerto Those aren’t ethical arguments, I can pretty much discard everything you just said.
lol i gave one ethical reason. the rest are facts. you don't have to believe science if you don't want i suppose. animal agriculture will still be the main cause of climate change at the end of the day.
Leilani Puerto You call it unethical, which is subjective, and you can call it unnecessary, still you’re opinion.
Angel Tirado "the trait is higher sentience"
In modern Western philosophy, sentience is defined as the ability to experience sensations, and the most relevant sensation in this context is pain.
There is no reason to think that animals feel pain less than us, in fact Richard Dawkins argues that they might feel it more.
We humans, as more intelligent beings, might not need to feel so much pain to understand we shouldn't do again something that can harm us, while a less intelligent being might need to experience more pain to understand the same thing quickly, before it's too late.
I think the argument that he uses is really flawed! If you claim that the humane ways of farming animals when they have enough and comfortable space to live and killing animals when they don't suffer any pain is still wrong then what you value is just 'life'! In this case it can be argued that plants are living species and they have the right to live! Besides while farming plants you need to use pesticides which results in killing of lots of other animals which have the right to live as well and you can go on using this argument in any case like cutting forest to have farm lands or constructing roads, factories or cities which all cause lots of disruption in other animals' lives.
What I believe is that for him not that much veganism is important (despite what he might think of himself) as it is to have a cause, this activism gives him goal in life and makes his life meaningful, to me he got all the criteria of a very religious person just his religion is veganism which perhaps is even a less developed religion/philosophy than the existing ones.
I think I what what you mean an ya to me life is not precious alone it is quality of life that matters and if they suffer or not to me is the thing that really matters,, although I dont think plants can suffer I read they know when they are being cut but they dont have an ability to care about it ,,,
I'll try and make it as clear as possible. Animals are sentient beings, meaning they experience life with emotions, pain, happiness, sadness, joy, depression, they have families and create bonds. Animals, all animals, including human animals, have a central nervous system. Plants, do not. Plants can't feel pain, they react to stimuli. If you don't believe me, go outside and kick or beat a dog, cat, pig, cow, or chicken, let me know if they cry out in pain. Then do the same to a plant.