I couldn't believe he said this, I've had enough | Vegan Calls Out Farmer for Lying on TV
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TODAY'S VIDEO:
I couldn’t quite believe what I was hearing when Martin Kennedy, the Director of the National Farmers’ Union of Scotland, blatantly lied on television, stating that the standard practices I had just described didn’t happen in the UK. It’s hardly surprising that he would feel the need to lie, considering that what we do to animals is so horrific, a point made by the presenter. Interestingly, after I called Martin out for lying, he then backtracked on his statement, claiming that he didn’t actually say what he had said and that instead he had said that what happens to animals is not brutal and is done in their best interest. A slight 180 from him agreeing that what happens to animals is horrific.
Unfortunately, lying is something that animal farmers are used to doing. In fact, Martin made many outlandish claims that were simply untrue throughout the whole segment. The problem animal farmers find themselves in is that the truth is not what they want it to be, and if they were to accept the truth they would then need to acknowledge the harm and damage their industries cause and then change as a result. So instead, it’s easier for them to ignore the reality of what they do and then lie in the hope that they can spread enough disinformation to confuse and gaslight consumers.
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Ed Winters is a vegan educator, best-selling author, public speaker and content creator. Ed has spoken at over 1/3 of UK universities and at 6 Ivy league colleges, including as a guest lecturer at Harvard University in both 2019 and 2020. He has given speeches across the world, including at the University of Cambridge, EPFL, Google NYC and Google Zürich. In early 2019 he gave 2 TEDx talks, surpassing a total of 2 million views online. His speech “You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again” has 35 million accumulative views online and has been given to thousands of students across UK universities.
Let me know down below about what you think of what Martin said, and how he quickly tried to backtrack.
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Are you VEGAN, Eddie? 🌱
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(Go to the 8:15 mark).
everyone has their bad day, Ed. unfortunately, your bad day coincided with the date of the interview. I wish you more luck next time.
Ed, you are saying that you are a compassionate vegan but why are you slaughtering these anti-vegans so brutally? Is this even humane? 😂
@@v.a.n.e. Hi mate, we know you from my channel that you are a kind troll, why do you troll like that? :)
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 someone with a different opinion is a troll, what does that make you to meateaters a massive troll
Animal welfare and best slaughterhouses are absolutely illogical in the same sentence.
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so, this means that your comment is meaningless because it consists of an illogical sentence.
it is not illogical. you are just brainwashed
Doublethink
Next time they will tell us each pig gets a 100€ gift basked just before getting slaughtered. The gift baskets are 100% recycled from gift baskets...
"tremendous biodiversity behind me". Shows 80% of a forest cut down behind him with patches of grass. Lol.
I know right! They butchered the landscape of UK doing that
Well it’s green so it must be healthy? Nature isn’t meant to look like that
Looks like he's using a green screen, idk if that grass is even real
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Yep. The UK is officially one of the most nature depleted countries on Earth. Like in the top 10% of nature depleted countries.
“Every possible thing is done for the benefit of the animals welfare in the slaughter house”
It’s amazing and horrifying how someone can seriously utter that sentence
lmao scary!!!!
Selective ignorance. He's just as deluded as the people he reassures, who so desperately want to believe the supposed 'humane"and "environmental" lies he's selling. Cognitive dissonance (and confirmation bias) are powerful effects!
@@blacksquid270 incorrect
@@blacksquid270 Not true. Omnivore = able to eat meat / plants, not NEEDS TO. Most Nutritional bodies, USDA, Harvard...now recognize you can be perfectly healthy (and even thrive) without meat (especially red meat).
But just Try it! I've been amazed how good I feel on a vegan diet!
“We have the best slaughterhouses…” huh!???
This man just said on national television that he's PROUD of us GASSING PIGS TO DEATH. Future generations will look back on us with absolute disgust and bewilderment.
No they won't
@@rondarkman. they already do.
@@lynns7262
Lol
@@rondarkman. Yeah, they are already doomed... unless they go vegan.
@Cancellator5000
Meh I'm not
wasting the rest of my life to go vegan for nothing, I'll enjoy the a animals
Ed: "it's horrible"
Farmer :" yeah, it's horrible but we don't do it here, maybe somewhere else"
Ed : (shows they do by naming the sources of the statistics he's presenting)
Farmer:" yeah, we do it here but it ain't horrible at all."
I mean.. come on
Nice work as always, Ed!
Bonkers, isn't it?
@@catrionagarde4410 totally!
She should have called him out on that. Blatantly lying and then being exposed on television. He should be ashamed. I don't know how Ed can keep it together. 🤔
@@catrionagarde4410 Yes! I had the same annoyance with the presenter's inaction. completely ridiculous
@@catrionagarde4410 Host definitely seemed on Martin's side ...
What a dishonest man. Unbelievably brass to acknowledge that the way we treat animals is horrific, and then flat out refuse that it’s happening.
And then, when Ed confirms the data he admits that is happening. He us just a liar.
@@funcionalidadvegana3637 Yeah, just be honest with vegans. Tell them you don't care about the animals.
Can’t believe how well you managed to calmly articulate these points in the face of such infuriating BS coming from Martin. Thank you for fighting for those that can’t. The support is definitely growing!
@Felip E Wow really? Thanks for looking that up. Eating whole-food plant-based definitely helps reduce aging!
Infuriating is right. I can't even watch this without taking a few breaks to recover from all that nonesense. And how he said that everything that can be done for the animals' welfare, is being done. And yet they're still being killed, so, apparently, not everything is being done.
@@caliskaterboy626 Very true. The farmer talked about the idyllic picture behind him. The picture was devoid of animal life. That is because the animals are in huge factory sheds living ghastly lives.
@@berniv7375 I agree Berni. I hadn’t thought about the irony of that until you mentioned it! The fact that the vast majority of animals are factory farmed is something I have to emphasize when I’m talking to people during outreach. Most people don’t know the extent of the suffering until we inform them. Even non-factory farm style animal agriculture involves mutilation, exploitation, and death so it’s best to eat plant-based to reduce the suffering and death.
@Felip E Thanks for sharing! I do wonder if the primary reason women are living longer than men is due to dietary factors, among others. More often than not, men do consume more animal flesh than women, partially due to societal norms and an obsession with protein. This is something I’m interested to know more about now that you bring it up.
My grandpa was not intentionally vegan (in fact he was a rancher at one point) but as he got into his 80s, he was known to live on bananas and peanut butter. Grandma made lots of red meat but died in her 80s of cancer. According to my dad and his siblings, when she died, grandpa didn’t cook and would just eat bananas and peanut butter for days until one of the family members would make something else. I can’t be certain, but I believe this was a factor in why he lived well into his 90s. Generally centenarians primarily consume whole-food plant-based, but with around 5% of calories coming from primarily fish. It varied on the region but we do see the trend that more plant-based leads to lower all-cause mortality rates. The science is clear. Unfortunately there are so many bogus studies coming out which are statistically manipulated and/or paid for by agriculture industries to confuse people. Most people don’t actually look at the original research study, look at the sources cited, look who funded the study, etc. There’s so many ridiculous videos here on RUclips spreading lies about veganism. It’s sad people are believing those.
I wish one day there's a guy who just comes out and says: "yeah, we don't care about animals and money is our main driving factor." There's nothing worse than a painful hypocrisy of people who kill animals in millions and try to attach a label of 'humane' aspects to it.
It's highly unlikely they would do that though - seeing as they care so much about money, this action would likely cause them to lose a lot.
Hi project nightfall
Yo u vegan bro?
Plain honesty is the way
It’s just an absolute pleasure watching Ed tear down utter nonsense.
Yes! Udder nonsense too!!! Pun intended!
As usual a totally biased presenter. She was really annoying.
She said last word to Ed after the fharmer had been spewing the usual lies. Then she let him have the last word 🤔
Aannd the animal consumers will continue...whine all you want...you know it's true
@@Trolloftruth still the truth wins
@@claustrophobic0015 aaannnddd the truth is....GET READY FOR IT...consumption of animal products are up!! Ta da...
Literally, everything the farmer said is a lie. He wasn't even in that landscape, come on.
lol
Right ? First image, first second, I thought : is that a green screen ? Fake, anyway. The insertion was so loosy even I noticed it. And he still mentioned it as if he were standing outside, in the green fakeness (so no bird or any animal, no wind to play with the mic, no people passing by ? A dead obedient nature that must match his dreams...)
yeah I thought that whole picture edited in the background was just weird as fuck. Like they really need to go that far to have a picture from a supposed farm they have, so we can believe what he's saying is true? it's very sus
@@MLacryma ooo la la “a dead obedient nature” very well described. 👍
that picture is a discrace anyway it should all be forrest land sadly all that deforestation goes as far as the eye can see in all directions . grass is no good for native species
It´s sickening to watch how all these farmers lie blatantly without any shame. Keep up the good work Ed, you´ve done so much for the animals!
i don't actually think that they are lying, i think they believe what they are saying. maybe not all of them... this guy definitely seems like he is just towing the line, but i do think some farmers actually care about their animals and they are just completely desensitized to the fact that they have to slaughter them in the end. the human mind works in odd ways and it's very easy to believe something but behave in a way that is contrary to that belief.
💯 Declan, just sickening!
@@nicholaswalker3200 I believe andrew more than a guy with floppy hair looking beautifull but 'concerned'.... Total nonsense about 'rewilding'.... Exaclty what Andrew said about wildfires... What would have happened in this recent drought is all this biodiversity wasn't managed and just let loose to be all over-grown...
well the majority of methane gas that comes naturally from the environment is from wetlands, not forests. rewilding those areas wouldn't increase methane a substantial amount... i think he was bending the truth a bit to fit his narrative. plus you would reduce all the methane that comes from animal agriculture which is the leading cause of manmade (anthropogenic) methane. also, by reducing all that methane there would be fewer droughts because there would be fewer greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. i'm not a scientist so all i know is what i read but everything that i read (that isn't sponsored by the animal agriculture industry) points to animal agriculture as the leading cause of climate change right behind industrial/manufacturing emissions. i just can't imagine a situation where more plants would be worse for the environment.
I’m still going to eat meat and so will millions of others. Ed is accomplishing nothing
"Best slaughterhouse"? Are we actually being serious? If this is not cognitive dissonance, I don't know what is.
How Ed keeps his cool with these conversations is truly astounding. I get angry just watching these.
Agree, but it's about reaching the public. Most regular people hold similar views to the farmer whether we like it or not.
There’s no reason to be angry
@@Nickdeaugustine forget my comment lol im just high and feeling real peaceful
@@conororourke42 🤣😂
Imagine your room is getting messy, and you dont want to clean it. Then, giving into anger, you thrash and throw around all the stuff you see around your room. By the time you stop and now look around, all that you see is an even bigger mess.
Dealing with this scenario with people again and again, you begin to recognize that by giving into "dis-ease" (by leaning into that anger) it makes the situation itself worse, and you are left with this mess. Rather than plaguing circumstance in this way, staying centered by seeing things for what they are, and coming at things objectively is more beneficial. Even if the other person maintains a delusional state, YOU conduct the awareness to know within your Self what is true.
Trust, frustration arises lol... but giving into that frustration is giving power to the delusion. By that, it now is having its pull on you, even if we arent deceived by it's original premise. Simply observe it, and pick up on things regarding from doing so, the same way we do while watching cinema. No need for us to be involved
"Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimze blindly and without a thought." - Isaac Bashevis Singer
Trope lord
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Ed: The way most animals are slaughtered is through gassing.
Farmer: That's not what happens in the UK (because I know it's inhumane and that's why I deny it).
Ed: Yes, it actually is what happens in the UK.
Farmer: Well, ok, it is, but we do it because it's humane.
Um...
“Some of the best slaughter-houses in the world”- amazing how we human beings justify cruelty so easily
A bit like saying 'here in Britain we have some of the best serial-killers in the world"!
@@thehotyounggrandpas8207 yeah, the most efficient killers. They are so fast than the victims don’t realise when they die. And this is all about animal welfare - speed killing
How the hack is possible to create a such a syntagm: “welfare in the slaughterhouse”? It’s like “welfare in Auschwitz”
@Supersonic Right? How does one compute that oxymoronic statement in one's head???
@@maureen669 True- tough to understand that statement. All that I have understood is that we human beings are very good at showing our power on those weaker than us. It’s a defining trait of ours whether against animals or against other human beings, even in normal life situations. It takes an amazing level of self-awareness to rise above this tendency
This farmer underestimated his opponent, he must not be familiar with Ed to come out with his standard bs.
Its not that they underestimate Ed, they just don't have anything to defend their side. Like the lawyers of Amber Heard :D
None of them are. They are farmers. They don't have the internet. They kill animals around the clock thinking they're saving the world from starvation.
@@lukacspolgar5988 lol good comparison hahaha.
He actually did quite well compared to most pro-meat debaters.
Ed you are so well prepared to debate and did the best anyone could do in debating in sound bytes. You crammed a lot in, in the limited time you were given. Youre doing a great service, thank you
true + only reply?
"Ed, what evidence have you got to suggest that animal farming is violent?"
Seriously? Animal farming kills animals in billions and she asks for evidence of violence? Is this a joke?
Seriously..mad world.
Cognitive dissonance displayed at best!!
Brain dead from birth.
This is INCREDIBLE. Ed destroyed him so eloquently, so calmly, and so logically, even when you could feel how furious he was. We are BLESSED to have him fighting for us, for animals, and for the planet. I also love that the presenter recognised it as horrific - hopefully if the people listening weren't swayed, hearing her say that made them stop and reconsider. Amazing work.
Torturously gassing an animal is NOT "doing everything for the animals' welfare". What an absolutely ridiculous thing for Martin to say.
Particularly after he opened with the idiocy that we should treat humans the same we treat animals….we gassed humans before, it’s called the Holocaust. So if that’s one of the most humane techniques they have to slaughter animals, I don’t wanna imagine what else they do.
Every point he made was Bizarro World upside-down jibberish, and I would expect nothing more or less from the President of a livestock association. He clearly had a lot of experience rehearsing and repeating standard industry propaganda. "We need meat for the environment, for sustainability, for biodiversity, for health", etc. He even managed to name-drop Ukraine in there for "we treat animals better than humans", an indication of how he kowtows at the altar of political correctness.
Ed has zerooo muscle mass
That’s kind of irrelevant and rude to comment on someone’s body, But if the argument your making is that you can’t get strong as a vegan, that’s not true. Game changers is a doc on Netflix about some vegan bodybuilders :)
Gassing is an improvement on what they did before, so from the farmer's point of view, it is done for the animal's welfare because stunning is not always effective.
they were trying not to let you speak and you still managed to win the debate. never stop what you are doing you are amazing
I think that actually did both of them fairly. I didn't count the screen time but I'd be surprised if there was a big difference.
I don't think you are right. She interrupted Martin multiple times when he was going on for too long.
@@lukacspolgar5988 the difference is that he just kept talking. Found this a little bit rude. Let them finish their sentences. If this or normal I am just not used to it, I’ve never seen a debate with 2.5 second of talk/screen time per argument
Wherever you stand on this argument one thing is clear: Ed was well informed and truthful. Martin was using lies to try and defend the tradition of farming at all costs. Lying old man unashamedly lying on TV wtf 😳
Well done Ed for being such a beacon for change and progress. Please keep doing what you do. What a hero 🦸♂️!!!
This guy isn't mostly a farmer, he is the President of National Farmers Union Scotland, which is a lobby group. Hence, he is a farm lobbiest for all intents and purposes. Just using the farmer monicker probably gives him more credance than he deserves - this despite the misplaced views and practices of many farmers.
Imagine boasting about “having the best slaughter houses in the world”, you really put the LAUGHTER into sLAUGHTER. Utter liar
Yeah, it's very odd how (when debating veganism) a lot of people say they have great slaughterhouses and they try to back that up by pointing to other slaughterhouses. They completely miss the crux of the debate that veganism doesn't support any slaughterhouses.
I wonder how much time he's actually spent in slaughterhouses
I love your comment. Well said. It’s painfully true.
In fact they are so good, it's just like club med. 😂 What a clown!
The fact that the animal farmer was given the last word in this debate tells us everything we need to know about mainstream media's stance on veganism. We have an uphill battle ahead of us.
So true! 👍
Totally agree
It’s surprising they even invited Ed to debate the issue being that he’s so good collapsing pro meat arguments.
I don't feel the same about this, Ed got the first words out to start the debate. And Martin was allowed to end the debate. It feels like Martin was allowed to speak for longer, but that's because his phrases were very incoherent in comparison. This seems like a fair interview where the host allowed both sides to speak plainly, it was too short for a serious debate and Ed did a great job at challenging Martin's claims.
This guy is unbelievable, the blatant lies (I cannot imagine he's ignorant) he's willing to believe. I salute you Ed, you truly are a saint for keeping your wits and your cool!!
After being vegan for only 2 years, I can’t imagine any other way of being. It’s really difficult for me to relate to the omnivore perspective, and I feel like this has hampered my ability to see their perspective, meet them at their level and help inform them better. I wonder how I can be a better advocate like Ed.
Ed, we're just so lucky and blessed to have you in this world.
You truly are a gift, you're changing the world.
We truly are!
No your not, long live the chicken burger.
@@keiztrat 😂😂😂
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@@utube1818 imagine hanging around a vegan channel and not once listening to the arguments ed makes or even disproving him
the delusion from the farmer is palpable. He's clearly got profits to achieve.
What delusion? It's just good ol' lying
@@davisantos3431 Haha 😂 yes, good old fashioned bull shit! Surrounded by smoke and mirrors. Evil in a tank top!
In fairness, the man just wants to keep his job
@@monkeyx17 he doesn’t realize he can still be paid to just do something else (as Ed described). Fear is a strong but often inaccurate motivator 🙄
@@lou__ley but hes not agreeing with ed because if he does then he could loose buisness or even his job like
What a despicable liar he is. Thank you, Ed, for calling him out.
This was so frustrating to watch. They gave the farmer an insane amount of time to speak but Ed is barely getting into his response before he's cut off. That being said he an amazing job getting his points across in the short amount of time.
Just the way she frames the questions would be hilarious if they weren't sickening. The broader public lives in such ignorance.
It's actually scary how ignorant and, excuse me, cowardly the general public is. People I know who are kind, intelligent, knowledgable suddenly turn into children as soon as animal rights come up. Ignorant of the most basic stuff, failing the most basic logic and very very very emotionally invested in "normality".
@@fromeveryting29 I agree totally.
OMG TO BE KNOW AS HAVING THE BEST SLAUGHTER HOUSES IN THE WORLD THIS IS SICK POOR ANIMALS
@@fromeveryting29 As long as society allows people to eat meat and it is popular to do, they will do it. If torturing babies was a tradition that was popular and legal, I guarantee 90% of people would be doing it too. From some angles, humans look like little more than programmed machines, no consciousness or autonomy.
Say the person not eating meat as a carnivore …. Insanity - I would bet you have a slew of other problèmes.
Disgusting, absolutely astounding how they can lie so blatantly. Animals are tortured in slaughter houses .
Oh my , I'm ashamed of my Scottish heritage right now. Ed you are so compassionate so kind I just wish the rest of the world was too, but we are a growing community thanks to beautiful people like you ❤
Good grief, that one statement says it all: "Everything that can possibly be done for the animals' welfare in being done in the SLAUGHTERHOUSE " I mean, come on! That's the absolutely most revolting statement ever made about animal welfare, hands diwn, you lose Martin.
Exactly what I was thinking when he said that.
Society mistreats people so let's mistreat animals, I'm sorry but this guy should've stayed on the farm
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Don't let it fool you he's basically a CEO whose slapped on a gilet for show.
His dad should have pulled out
You get him bulbasaur
You did a very good job in this 👊
hey john did not realize u were vegan. Thats so cool❤
Ed, your frustration here is palpable. Thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason and compassion for victims that do not have one and an advocate for a more sustainable future. I know just how draining these conversations can be, I do hope you are able to take time and care for your own mental health.
Well done for calling him out for lying. He was completely outclassed.
I was going to say the same thing.
Congratulations for knowing when to call a spade a spade, and when to be diplomatic.
Exactly that soy boy needs vitamin B12
Truth
Yes, Ed is such a liar 🤥
@@earw1g1 I don't have a problem homosexuals but what's up with the Willy Wonka feminine vibes... Why not be a man get a wife have some children
Imagine arguing that gas chambers and throat cutting isn’t brutal! Absolutely bewildering!
Funny how he also tried shifting the debate away from the killing and onto climate change - only for Ed to put him in his place about that too 😂
I know replace the pigs with humans and tell us it's not brutal and you care about their welfare.
Well done, Ed. Always so impressed with how you hold yourself against such ignorant people. Your patience is a super power. Keep going my friend, we're all behind you.
I am a scientist who spends large portions of my life fighting with people who are willing to lie to manipulate the perception of others. I doubt many people can fully understand how truly taxing what you do is. Scientific discourse is one thing, but lies are another. Keep up the good work. You are a major hero of mine.
Ed, you are saying that you are a compassionate vegan but why are you slaughtering these anti-vegans so brutally? Is this even humane? 😂
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Well you see, they’ve lived a good life up until today and they showed up for the interview so they clearly wanted to be humiliated…
@@AB-ft7ng 🤣
I think it is a personal choice after all and you should respect Ed's decision to slaughter them in discussions.
go harder. Guy on right needs to stfu
what I see here is a 20-something-year-old, well-spoken, informed, educated, intelligent man and a dude trying to save his job, hanging off a thin thread, by defending the unnecessary killing of a living being. Amazing job Ed
He’s not trying to save his job. His job is perfectly safe lol
@@llamatreeeif more people listen to Ed then, it won’t be.
@@jessicawatson7360 Not everyone is a follower, some people have their own agency. What obligation does the world have to listen to Ed and just eat veg?
It's such a shame these interviews are so short. Ed could say so much more on this topic that could really help those watching to realise what is happening. Thank you for being so well informed Ed x
they are so short because the tv stations know that if ed was given enough air time, the public would realise there is no excuse for not being vegan
You know you’re a desensitized .. person.. when you say that you have the “best slaughterhouse” and say that gas chambers are not brutal. Benefit for the animal’s welfare? Thank you Ed for standing up against this.
He's holding on to his belief system by a thread. Ed, you articulate beautifully. Thank you for everything you do.
He doesn't have a belief, other than $$$
Farmer is Trying hard to justify injustice to animals and a dying industry.
Wow Gaslighting at it’s finest, this farmer either has NO IDEA how farming works, or is just a compulsive liar
He's just stuck in his conditioning. He's not just lying to the public, he's lying to himself!
Your activism is just perfect, thank you for all you do ❤
"We've got some of the best slaughterhouses in the world". That's literally something a lunatic would say.
Ed has all the answers as always. Vey annoying the woman wouldn't let him respond sometimes and brought up another issue. The farmer is a joke and reels off the usual claptrap.
He doesn't. I was unhealthy on vegan diet doing it "properly". I did it twice, second time doing my absolute best.
That farmer is just a silver spoon fool, owner of a heck lot of land and that exploits animals. He's not there because he's smart or have anything smart to say
@@kubasniak if you're unhealthy as Vegan then you've definitely done it wrong. Vegan diet is affordable and healthy in so many ways if you do it correctly. I think you were never a Vegan and just here for the argument sake.
@@kubasniak Looks like your absolute best wasn't good enough. I have been on a plant based diet for 36 years and am very healthy. Oh and I am vegan too.
@@kubasniak Pretty sure you're lying. But if it's actually true, you fucked up your diet and did it wrong. There are even +100 year old vegans in incredibly good health.
I cringed when the farmer talked about how we need red meat and the benefits for health..... Pretty sure it's carcinogenic
There's nothing healthy at all about meat we aren't designed to digest it.
@rambunctiousvegetable Exactly and WHO deffo ain't a vegan org so no bias there.
Ah its a stretch to claim that
@@DublinDapper its not a claim its a literal fact. i thought everybody knew that?
It's classified as "Probably carinogenic to humans" You can see the key word there being probably so no it's LITERALLY NOT a FACT.
Excellent Ed! You wiped the floor of his literal B.S. I love that you stood up for Rewinding, as well!
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Well done Ed. As people have said we are so fortunate to have you and Joey. The hypocrisy which comes from the Animal Agricultural Industry is becoming more and more apparent. You were in a different league to the meat industry representative and made him look stupid several times during the interview. I have your latest book I know reading it will make me into a much more effective activist. Many thanks. William James
So sad that the host didn't let Ed respond to the statements regarding the "best animal welfare slaughter houses", "most vegan food comes from imports" and "meat is healthy and prevent climate change".
Excellent job Ed!!
Go vegan! Save the animals and the planet!
Thank you!
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Right! I would love to have heard him respond to that BS. But as always, they make those discussions one-sided.
@@suicune2001 Yes, I think they make this just so the average person think the industry is still there, that they might have an answer ... Planting the seed of doubt in respect to veganism.
Just how they have done with coke and tobacco.
He was able to sneak in a quick "Gas chambers are not a pleasant way to be killed." Obviously he couldn't help but rebuttal that to some extent.
What is the best argument against the "most vegan food comes from imports" statement?
@@joehardisty7414 His argument wasn't about food being imported. His argument was "food being imported makes it expensive and most people can't afford it." When we all should know rice, beans, oats, potatoes, and pastas are some of the cheapest foods in the store, at least where I live. Frozen vegetables are also very cheap. I got a giant bag of frozen mixed vegetables for $5. Bananas are cheap AF. It was $ 0.60 for a bunch of bananas.
Keep in mind, whole plant foods get little to no subsidies from the government and they are still this affordable. Animal products are given billions of dollars every year just to make them cheaper. If all those subsidies went away, one pound of beef would cost like $30 and that's probably the low quality stuff.
The backdrop behind him isn't a natural native landscape, it's a landscape that has been wrecked for industrial farming not the benefit of the environment.
That’s exactly what I thought! So funny how he’s so proud of that landscape; the most clinical landscape without a lick of biodiversity, and he’s talking about environmental issues in his debate. Ummm…
This lol
"Wow, look, there's like 20% trees!"
@@OatmealTheCrazy and they’re mostly non native!
Less animals suffer on agricultural land than on wild land
@@remotefaith what an absurd point to make.
“What evidence do you have to suggest it is violent and outdated” is she joking? Go to the supermarket and look at the rows and rows and rows of dead animals stacked up on shelves does she think they just magically end up there?
“Everything in the slaughterhouse is done for the benefit of the animals” - How on Earth can anyone say that with a straight face!?
My god how many lies, that guy is shameless
Lies are all they've got, and unfortunately most people just want to hear what they wanna hear :( Just so depressing :(
Didn’t matter what he said Ed! What matters is what you said and once again you did brilliant!
You destroyed this liar, very well done.
You are so well prepared and articulate. Thank you for continuously calling these people out on their blatant lies for all the world to see.
"We treat the animals the best we possibly can." I didn't realize killing someone was the best possible treatment they could have. Looks like we have it all wrong about the death penalty.
i sleep a little more soundly at night knowing that Ed is the advocate these programs call on to represent the vegan movement--articulate, knowledgeable, and passionate
Times are changing Ed. The truth will be seen and heard! #meatismurder #GoVegan
Well done, Ed, including calling out Martin on his clear lies. You speak for the animals so beautifully.
I wouldn’t want anyone else speaking on behalf of veganism, thank you Ed, for everything you’re doing. Really proud.
I want anyone who will speak and educate on veganism!
@@cheezheadz3928 of course, i believe ed articulates himself so well though when speaking to people and he has so much knowledge 👍
@@cheezheadz3928 on a live tv debate, you want someone like ed who is indeed educated but also polite. the way veganism has been portrayed in the media is hostile, angry and pushy but ed really counters that.
Host: Ed, What evidence do you have of such cruelty?
Ed: How much time do you have?
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it is a rhetorical tactic known as dodging. sometimes I use it myself when it is obvious that I have no answer.
@@v.a.n.e. It's good that you admit that, since you are speaking for yourself, but I think Ed have many videos that answers that question.
there is a significant difference. it’s one thing to talk in your videos about animal cruelty in farming; quite another when you need to back it up with concrete evidence during a public broadcast with the National Farmers Union Scotland's president. Ed simply lacked the evidence. @@DarkDeepGreen
Good on you Ed, call him out on his delusional and blatant lies, and stick it right up him! Love your work!
Ed was truthful and factual and Martin was a liar. It's so sad when you cannot get your Farmers to tell the truth. Gas Chambers are horrific and it looks like Martin's putting his taste buds over a precious innocent sentient life.
Is it just me, or was that farmer answering a totally different question to the one that was asked everytime? He should have been a politician, he waffles better than Boris Johnson. 🙄 Ed wasn’t having none of it! Good man. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yes. He probably have answers already typed up and just chose the best one that related to the question. Not qualified to debate Ed.
The way he was responding is a classic example of how meat-eaters engage with vegans - at least that’s been my experience in 99% of the cases for the past 10 years. An anomaly to me would be if he actually engaged truthfully and sincerely.
I'm not a vegan but I find Ed's arguments compelling, many of the debates I have seen with Ed, as here, offer up straw men, inaccurate information, misdirection, or totally false statements. Ed has convinced me to at least consider becoming vegan, so I am now trying oat milk and other vegan alternatives for my diet.
Good stuff. When you realise how fucking stupid the anti vegan arguments are it becomes hard to morally justify your own purchasing of animal products.
That’s brilliant John… you’re on the right path 💚🤗
Thank you, John, for thinking critically about this issue. Cheers!
Legend!
Awesome! Remember
a. Give it time (can be a big adjustment)
b. Compensate with calories (you might need to eat more)
c. Try eating more nuts, legumes, seeds, tofu, beans and other protein rich plant foods (the gas goes away)
d. Supplement B12. Nutritional yeast ISA great source and so delicious, and protein rich (complete source).
* I'm not a Dr./ Nutritionist, so take everything I say with a pinch of nutritional yeast haha.
The host of the show sucked. Kind of hard to explain how animal farming is cruel when she kept cutting you off but let Martin go on and on. Great job for what you were given to work with
Shocking the way the debate is set up as if it's giving equal opportunity to both speakers, when in fact Ed is prevented several times from countering the statements.. But as ever, an amazing job from Ed in exposing the animal industry lies.
“We’ve got some of the best slaughter houses in the world” - Yeah, like C J Byford and Son.
Sounds like something Nazi Germany would have boasted about back in 30s-40s 🥴
Ed has way more patience than me. I can't stand these people and their 'sustainable' bs. As if that makes the abuse and suffering OK. Bastards make me sick...
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"What evidence do you have that what we do is violent?"
Um, stats? Killing 80 billion land animals is by definition violent. 🤦🏼♂️
Plus it’s not even sustainable in the first place 🙄
I have seen so many meat eaters talk about how animal ag is "sustainable" and actually reduces emissions and kills less animals than veganism, it's unbelievable.
Meh animals are here for us to eat just enjoy it
Wow Ed, you’re incredible! Please stay safe because the world needs you. Thank you for everything
Thank you so much for telling the truth, ED. You are the voice the world needs nowadays.
Thank you for everything you do Ed. It was an honor meeting you
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33 Connections is dated and sleep inducing 😫
@@VeganSemihCyprus33 I enjoyed watching that! Very well put together. Very sad but enlightening. Music was great.
It’s absolutely disgusting how the News program let the farmer talk for so much longer and support someone who is so blatantly lying. How does one justify the intense forms of cruelty you described by simply saying “it’s better than how we treat humans”. Cognitive dissonance at it’s absolute finest.
Edit: please be polite to each other. I understand many of us feel very strongly on the subject, however the only way to convince anyone of anything is to be patient and respectful.
I noticed that too, farmer seemed to get almost double speaking time
She does try shutting him up a couple of times. Problem is he just keeps waffling whereas Ed makes his point concisely and then passes the mic
Ed goes straight to the point, facts clear as sky, the farmer just makes endless word salads that mean absolutely nothing and are backed up by lies, just to confuse people.
i rather listen to a farmer, than an unemployed vegan hippie
@@GarudaLegends why?
what I think is really impressive is how you have to make a choice what to reply ro. There's so much you could say to every single one of that guys statements I mean he's literally gish gallopping. I'm really impressed how you managed to pick out the most relevant stuff, dismantle it and not get carried away trying to address everything.
It's satisfying how Ed calmly put this ignorant man in his place, you can hear how defensive his response is and nearly lose it. He thought he could win the convo over with Ed, but little did he know.
"We have some of the best slaughterhouses in the world" absolutely blew me away spoken as a positive sentence. You can't make that make sense.
I feel you won that debate. He just spoke utter nonesense and you corrected it well. Job well done 👍
MY GOD IF WE TREAT ANIMALS WITH RESPECT WE MIGHT GET TO A STAGE WHERE WE CAN RESPECT EACH OTHER LOVE LIFE ANY LIFE ALL LIFE
I am SO glad they are having thes important discussions on live tv, well done england!! You are such a great representative for the movement Ed, thank you for debunking his attempt to further lie about the industry, I know people watching must have put more thought into this after that
All his responses were so egregious, it actually made me smile - they're getting so desperate they have to outright lie to sound reasonable
Martin didn't properly respond to most question. I'm happy that for once... It's the non-vegan that seemed agitated and the vegan that was composed. Good work Ed!
Absolutely infuriating to watch, these TV interviews drive me insane, never give you chance to rebut the terrible points made by these desperate farmers
Yeah they try to cover for f different topics in less than ten minutes. I think they assume their boomer audience has the attention span of two minutes.
thank you ed. your always right and everyone always knows it.
Listening to that farmer try to defend slaughter is so cringey
That farmer was straight up lying
Thank you for everything you do, Ed
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The audacity of these people amazes me. People are waking up and no longer believe the blatent lies and deception pushed by the meat industry. Great work Ed on keeping your composure and not laughing at some of the absolute bs that came out of his mouth. I'll be donating to your Patreon from now on.
Meat consumption is still outpacing veganism though, especially in younger generations.
You're amazing Ed, it's a shame you didn't get to have time for more in-depth responses to the utter nonsense he was going on about. Keep up there brilliant work
That farmer saying that decomposing plants in wilded areas is comparable to the methane produced by animal waste is mind boggling. So, before humans were around, and the entire world was wilded, global warmimg must have been at its absolute worst, right? Jfc, give me a break. The excuses of some omnis, i tell ya.
He may have meant due the process of growing crops needed to replace animal produce, but it is still BS. The sequestration of original forest from cropland is approx 3x more than temperate grazing land conversion from cropland, and that needs way more space per calorie (carbon opportunity loss)
Ed: *spitting facts*
The Lady: "let Martin respond to these aCcUsAtiOns 🤔🤔"
"The benefit of the animal wellfair at the SLAUGHTERHOUSE." People need to think more about the words they say.
Ed is so amazing. I managed to keep calm as I can only understand half of what the scotsman is saying.