hannes torstensson its protocols you idio t. Even in a busy airport traffic is stopped after an incident it doesn’t mean they should turn off their sirens/lights.
Instructor: You see those big white marks? Student: Yeah Instructor: It’s best to land where those are. Student: Ok *flies to other end of the runway, touches down* Instructor: No, I meant the ones at the OTHER end *Crash*
My info says that this Piper PA 23 Aztec, after touchdown, needs at least 850 feet to 1,000 feet of runway , or more, depending on many factors, to land and stop safely. This runway is only 2,123 feet long, at best, not including the sand beach. But the first 400 feet, on that approach, is unuseable, leaving just 1,723 feet of runway. If the pilot neared the critical runway midpoint ( 861.5 feet ) without touching down, he would have known he was almost certain to overrun. Why didn't he rev up and go around ? The runway midpoint markers, I think, are the two yellow/orange small circles at bottom right at 0:23. He actually touched down firmly with, at best, about 700 feet of runway left.
@@louishunter5135 - Of course, yes. It was at least theoretically not possible, with that aircraft, to make a safe controlled landing in only about 700 feet.
I've only flown a real airplane once, a C-172, back in 1978. But I have thousands of hours in sims, and I could see that he wasn't going to make it. Too much speed, and he spent too much time trying to slow down in the ground effect. Should have executed a missed approach and tried again. Expensive mistake, but at least it looked like no one got seriously injured.
Floated in ground effect carrying a little too much speed, should have elected to go around when he was about halfway down the runway and have another try.
@@tomasmoreira858 no one lands from yhe other end on this runway. Its a very difficult airport to land in as it has a steep approach and a very short runway
Jake, "he can't out climb the hills"? The hills are more than a kilometre away on the other side of the bay besides which way do you think ALL of the takeoffs are done at St. Barths?
@@Flyingspaghettisaucer for sure, looks like a seneca, and they'll land at 60 knots, that thing was very fast on approach , looked like 40 knots or so faster other twins on video, i don't know how the instructor didn't order a go around or even let things get this far..either the student just ignored him, or froze up for lack of confidence..it's almost an ifr airport in the fact that you should be maybe just north of stall on final, and trust the aircraft at low power settings dancing the line, I've been told good pilots there use the ground as a glide slope guide on approach rather than an intimidation factor, but hey..tough place to land i guess.. and everyone got out safe, new props gear and underware, life goes on..
+djdestroyer Yup. You want to be down well before that. Ideally you want to land right on the numbers, but if you pass that marker you go around. That's pretty much what they're there for. Some small single-engine planes can make a very short landing, but that twin cannot, and either way it's not worth the risk.
+Vale Okay captain pedantic, you're right. But what significance are 1000ft markers if not to give you a reference point when landing (and taking off for that matter)? That's what they're there for; so you know how much runway you're dealing with.
I love how certain people suddenly become an expert, and think that they know what their talking about after watching a youtube video. TJP77, I suggest you (at least) watch more videos of planes successfully landing at this airport; many do not touch down before the aimpoint marks. Another suggestion would be to not get salty with your keyboard, and revert to name calling ("captain pedantic") when someone who actually knows what they're talking about corrects you.
+Giuseppe William Giamundo You don't know what you're talking about. If you can't land the plane safely, you go around. If go arounds weren't permitted as you say, then what is the procedure in this situation?
+Giuseppe William Giamundo It's exactly the opposite: It's the pilot's prerogative to call a go-around and it's up to ATC to deal with it. A pilot does not need anyone's permission to perform a go-around.
St. Barts is considered by some pilots to be the 3rd most difficult approach, and dangerous airport in the world. But despite being used by dozens of small planes per day, crashes or overruns are rare. There have been at least 7 or more accidents there in the last 20 years, though. Mostly minor, but a major crash in 2001 killed 20 people.
0:22, 5 or 6 ft above runway at touchdown markers, looked a little fast on the approach. 0:26, halfway along runway floating in ground effect, 2 ft, (at this point it should be power on, gear up, go 'round). 0:28, touchdown 3/4 along runway about 150 metres to go until he is on the beach, no reverse thrust on this thing, wheel brakes only. 0:37, two Banana Daquiris thanks.
people need to know that a go around is OK! that is something my CFI tells me a lot. in my opinion this pilot came in with to much airspeed and then did not react properly to the floating down the runway. when he went past the 1/3 part of the runway he should have aborted the landing but once he passed the halfway mark he should have not even tried to land, once he did touch down though it was to late to try to stop....
Actually this happens quite often at St. Barts. The 'ditch' at the start of the runway excels the plane and therefor generates more lift. The runway itself is on a 8% slope and it's also a very short one. The biggest problem is that the moment you touch the runway, so don't have enough speed to perform a go-around. Unlike other airports the rescuers are already in the truck _before_ the plane lands. That's why the firetruck in on camera in under 20 seconds!
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Unstabilised approach, floats three quarters of the way down the runway, and still tries to land..the guy’s commentary is hilarious. Well that kind of.....blows..understatement of the century 😂😂😂
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Private pilot's license isn't the same as commercial certification, if he did this in a jumbo jet yeah they might not let him fly those anymore but in his a personal aircraft it's no big deal
@@HolbrookStark Obviously he was not the first, judging by skid marks. Also looked like he was coming in too fast and couldn't slow down in time. Thank goodness for what looks like deep sand at the end.
He was coming a bit fast but it could have been saved if he would have thought about the wing in ground effect. The moment he realized the runway was too hot to allow him a normal touchdown he should have done a go around. High wing aircraft land easily even beyond the spot where he touched the runway, but he simply floated on hot air for a split second too long. The Aztec is a nice aircraft but the pilot should have known about the wing-in-ground-effect if attempting to land on a very hot summer day in a valley without wind. The aircraft losing direction could also indicate a too firm braking action and losing one tire during the attempt to stop. Good video though, shows the importance of rational decision making.
My Flight Simulator skills tell me this pilot exceeded the approach speed and once he was midway on the runway without a touch down, should have put that plane up again, you can always blame it on the wind and not your skills...jeje
It would appear, from the video, that this airport requires a steep approach from this direction meaning you will likely have some degree of excessive speed. This guy might have had a bit much even then, but really his mistake was a. not put the plane down sooner (even if that means a harder than desired landing) and b. not going around when it was clear he was too far down the runway.
I used to fly a tow plane from a short field with wires at the end across the road and a 250 foot tow rope. You come in at a steep angle in a slip. that is what should be done here. The other option is to land downwind if not too strong. The problem here if landing into the wind, the air blows up the hill reducing the plane's decent. Depends if slips are allowed with flaps.
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It still gives him views, if you clicked on the video you would have seen that its this exact video with the same exact URL. The video being posted on liveleaks like this is the same thing as posting the video on twitter.
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Exactly. Letting the wheels touch just bleeds off airspeed and then makes for a possible water ditch instead of putting it in the sand trap, but this was a no brainer to go-around before he ever settled.
haha the vastly different reactions between the male and the female make me giggle. and suddenly pissed off cause i hate it when chicks react that way.
Yeah, cuz God forbid she become frightened at the sight of the potential death of someone. She should just suck it up like the big, strong man that you are.
Just in case you're interested, assume that the pilot attempted to land at 80knots(41 m/s) and decreased his speed at a constant rate to 0m/s (I know he didn't but it's the best I can do right now). That would mean his average speed was 40knots (20.56metres/sec).It took the pilot 16 sec to travel across the runway. 16s x 20.56m/s =328.96 metres. If you think about how much time is wasted by trying to land smoothly before decelerating, then Toukout44 is correct to say that he gets 200m to stop.
Life Hack: If you cant put the bird down and for whatever reason you cant go around, raise the flaps above runway, it will stall down, it may be a hard landing but it is safer than gliding past the entire runway and stopping in the beach...
"and for whatever reason you cant go around", What?????? As for raising the flaps, that might have worked IF he had thought of it BEFORE he passed halfway. He had power, he can go round, he made a real bad decision to try and put it down after he passed the runway midpoint at this airport in that aircraft, bad airmanship, he was "behind the aircraft" all through the approach and it bit him, plain and simple.
There are certain strips that are one way in and one way out, i.e. there is no go around option. I've been into a handful of them. This airport is NOT one of those airports. However, I have done what Slave stated a number of times when I've carried a touch too much speed, and I still want to hit my touchdown point. It's easier to do with manual flaps - which I have on my airplane - than electric flaps. It's not the best technique, but it is a trick to have in your bag if need be, though generally only works when you're in the flare/float from the excess airspeed. Doing it on approach, I wouldn't recommend, there are better options than dumping flaps. All that said, the pilot in the video screwed the pooch on this one before he was at the top of the hill.
"Well that kinda ... blows?": The universal sound of a boyfriend or husband realising he's enjoying someone else's misfortune, hearing his girlfriend or wife's shock at the incident, then worrying she might think he's a jerk for it and backpedaling unconvincingly :D
It was the only place on the island long and flat enough to accommodate a grassy field. When doing your specific formation here, it's traditionally taught to abort your landing if you still don't have touch at "Charlie", TWY C is only 349m from THR 28.
For a chap who has over 800hrs, you should know that flaring too high is not going to make you float that far down the runway. The float is excessive airspeed. The guy probably nosed over coming down the hill to lose the altitude and left his approach power on. Picked up airspeed and then when pulling into the flare, floated a long way down the runway. Looks like the engines are still running right up until impact too btw.
Flown there many times. what is funny is the people of St. Barths go and park along the runway on the weekends just to watch planes fly in. I have seen planes in the water before too, this guy luckily didn't go all the way into the water as many before him have. You can hear people scream too as pilots normally make a steep downward point after coming over the mountain to hit the runway at the beginning and not have this type accident happen.
Someone there asked: "What's the pickup car(not a truck, these are 1000cc Suzuki/Mitsubishi/Daihatsu thing) for??" Pickup Driver: "To.....tow?" Firetruck Driver: "Am I a joke to you???"
Wow, this is like the best cameraman in the world, he didn't shake the camera, didn't stop recording when the plane crashed, didn't move the came when it crashed, and didn't start fucking screaming "OHHH MAI GAAAAWWWWD, CALL AN AMBULANCEEEE".
Instructor: You see those skid marks on the runway? That's where you need to touch down. Pilot: Okay! Instructor: I didn't mean the one pair of skid marks you donut.
A pc-12 video discussed the second taxiway as their go around/no go point. I imagine the beta thrust from the turboprops at this field have a lot of extra confidence.
I lived on this island for four years in the mid 80's. You need a special license to land here. You need special training no matter how many hours flight time u have., Pilots that nail this landing make it look so easy!! When you are driving on that hill it seems like you can TOUCH the plane TIRES!! They really do come very close...scary.
yes it is downhill. so the flare is a bit different from a normal runway. and there's that steep descent right before the touchdown which makes it really tough to get it right. it's one of the most difficult places to land yes, but also you know right away when you got it wrong and have to go around, which was obviously the case here. st barts doesn't have PAPI. and it wouldn't be of much use anyway since there's a rather tall hill right before the runway threshold which requires a steep descent
the reason he was able to constantly "fly level" was because he was in ground effect and in the case of st barths, with the type of approach, unless completely under control, means you will gain speed before touchdown, meaning greater ground effect. Pilot error, simply because his work load was too much for him to handle and he made the wrong call to try and put down. Unfortunately these things happen, not that you'd wish them to happen to anyone. A great lesson to be learned.
The altitude, descent rate, and approach speed, caused him to develop ground effect or ballooning after flaring, touching down late well above the touch down zone. GO AROUND!!! Full power , flaps one notch, gear up when there is no more usable runway and fly the closed circuit traffic.
The most difficult aerodrom in the world (short Runway +oil due to sea splash, Relief , no ILS or IFR equipment )so if you can't go-around (maybe short fuel. Or other thecnical problem) you will have that one chance ! Al Hamdoulillah the Pilot seems to be ALIVE !!👏
That's a great point, and honestly it's a policy that should be understood when operating any motor vehicle (unless you are racing) : If it's not 100% safe, don't do it.
He didn't waste any time to get to the beach
He couldn't stand the kids in the back chanting "are we at the beach yet?" any longer!!
wasnt it a she?
He must ha ve eaten taco bell
I’m guessing it was a she...😂😂😂😂
yeah it was a trainee pilot and yes it was a female
bet the fire fighters were like: finaly something happends
NTB yeah all two of them.
Kek as a firefighter I know what you mean
i like how the firetruck used the blue light on the rwy, like if there was gonna be a plane crossing on the taxiway
hahahahahahaha
hannes torstensson its protocols you idio t. Even in a busy airport traffic is stopped after an incident it doesn’t mean they should turn off their sirens/lights.
Take a go around....it's free.
*****
Still cheaper than a new airplane I guess...
Mikosch2 LOL, so true!
Mikosch2 True, but I doubt it was damaged beyond repair.
Naw, Ima just put it down right here 3/4 of the way down the runway.
380PPK Why Go around when there is no other plane on the runway?
Pilots of the Caribbean...
Noice!
@@Hammett175 Noice!
Noice!
Flying dutchman
@@ytwos1 pushed it to limit and beyond
I love the noncommittal reaction. "That kind of....blows?"
Instructor: You see those big white marks?
Student: Yeah
Instructor: It’s best to land where those are.
Student: Ok
*flies to other end of the runway, touches down*
Instructor: No, I meant the ones at the OTHER end
*Crash*
Nice comment I’ll read the rest of it tomorrow
@@JohnFelosFKKS not that long mate
😂😂 nice one
This style of comment is played out
That female student was thinking a different 'big' than what the male instructor meant by 'big'.
Always a women behind like : Ohhhhh Ahhhhhhhh! And the persons that films: Haha crap man
Moaning doesn't happen for no reason.
My info says that this Piper PA 23 Aztec, after touchdown, needs at least 850 feet to 1,000 feet of runway , or more, depending on many factors, to land and stop safely.
This runway is only 2,123 feet long, at best, not including the sand beach.
But the first 400 feet, on that approach, is unuseable, leaving just 1,723 feet of runway.
If the pilot neared the critical runway midpoint ( 861.5 feet ) without touching down, he would have known he was almost certain to overrun. Why didn't he rev up and go around ?
The runway midpoint markers, I think, are the two yellow/orange small circles at bottom right at 0:23.
He actually touched down firmly with, at best, about 700 feet of runway left.
Indeed. Who actually expects to make a succesful landing after touching midpoint on any runway anyway? That's the ego talking instead of common sense.
@@ADAPTATION7 depends on the runway and plane, I'm sure a Cessna could land fine from mid point on the runway the shuttle used.
Judging by your math that left him with a balance of 150ft or more to immediately be paid in full.
@@louishunter5135 - Of course, yes.
It was at least theoretically not possible, with that aircraft, to make a safe controlled landing in only about 700 feet.
That’s less than 700 feet
I've never flown a plane in my life and kept yelling "Go around!!!!"
lol me too
I've only flown a real airplane once, a C-172, back in 1978. But I have thousands of hours in sims, and I could see that he wasn't going to make it. Too much speed, and he spent too much time trying to slow down in the ground effect. Should have executed a missed approach and tried again. Expensive mistake, but at least it looked like no one got seriously injured.
He landed on 3/4 of the runway... was he high?
Fernando Ferraz a little bit too high ;)
What was said before that crash “Hold My Beer, Watch This”
Probably check out the “braking action on this puppy”
Floated in ground effect carrying a little too much speed, should have elected to go around when he was about halfway down the runway and have another try.
He was fast
judging by the skid marks (on the runway), not the first guy to make that mistake
Probably the same guy.
The marks are probably because people can land on the opposit side of the runway
@@tomasmoreira858 no one lands from yhe other end on this runway. Its a very difficult airport to land in as it has a steep approach and a very short runway
@@YN-io6kj I understood, thx for explaining, have a good day
@@gregedwards1087 lol😂
It's cheaper to go around.
steep approach, not keeping Vapp and Vref, ground effect, seems that the guy had no flipping idea what he was doing
Jake, "he can't out climb the hills"?
The hills are more than a kilometre away on the other side of the bay besides which way do you think ALL of the takeoffs are done at St. Barths?
@@Flyingspaghettisaucer for sure, looks like a seneca, and they'll land at 60 knots, that thing was very fast on approach , looked like 40 knots or so faster other twins on video, i don't know how the instructor didn't order a go around or even let things get this far..either the student just ignored him, or froze up for lack of confidence..it's almost an ifr airport in the fact that you should be maybe just north of stall on final, and trust the aircraft at low power settings dancing the line, I've been told good pilots there use the ground as a glide slope guide on approach rather than an intimidation factor, but hey..tough place to land i guess.. and everyone got out safe, new props gear and underware, life goes on..
Ikr
@@matthewswinden689 yep sorry my mistake! Got mixed up with another airport
When you're in the plane on your way to a caribbean paradise and can't wait to go to the beach.
Ahhahahaha
Underrated comment
Yeah, if you don't have your wheels on the ground after that first aimpoint marker, you go around. Especially in a twin.
Pure pilot error.
+TJP77 I was gonna ask what the aimpoint marker is but I'm gonna assume it's the massive white blocks?
+djdestroyer Yup. You want to be down well before that. Ideally you want to land right on the numbers, but if you pass that marker you go around. That's pretty much what they're there for.
Some small single-engine planes can make a very short landing, but that twin cannot, and either way it's not worth the risk.
+Vale Okay captain pedantic, you're right. But what significance are 1000ft markers if not to give you a reference point when landing (and taking off for that matter)? That's what they're there for; so you know how much runway you're dealing with.
I love how certain people suddenly become an expert, and think that they know what their talking about after watching a youtube video. TJP77, I suggest you (at least) watch more videos of planes successfully landing at this airport; many do not touch down before the aimpoint marks. Another suggestion would be to not get salty with your keyboard, and revert to name calling ("captain pedantic") when someone who actually knows what they're talking about corrects you.
I've been a private pilot for sixteen years. I know what I'm talking about.
You know it's a small airport when you only get 1 fire truck and 1 small emergency vehicle when you crash.
Its not like Airbus A380 crashed there
When anybody else was watching this did ‘You can always go around’ start playing on a loop in their head. 😂
Doesn't know what a 'go around' means
+Catherine Halliwell I did that in the flight sim too lol
+Catherine Halliwell go around is not permitted
Go around means if you overshoot the runway, traffic on the runway, bad weather with crosswinds or missed approach, you go around
+Giuseppe William Giamundo You don't know what you're talking about. If you can't land the plane safely, you go around. If go arounds weren't permitted as you say, then what is the procedure in this situation?
+Giuseppe William Giamundo It's exactly the opposite: It's the pilot's prerogative to call a go-around and it's up to ATC to deal with it. A pilot does not need anyone's permission to perform a go-around.
I had the "You can always go around" music in my head while watching this
Incredibly difficult approach looking at that terrain! I can't imagine the stresses guys who operate out of there actually feel!
Yeah
St. Barts is considered by some pilots to be the 3rd most difficult approach, and dangerous airport in the world.
But despite being used by dozens of small planes per day, crashes or overruns are rare.
There have been at least 7 or more accidents there in the last 20 years, though.
Mostly minor, but a major crash in 2001 killed 20 people.
That’s copied straight outta Wikipedia
I’m always amazed at the contrast in reactions of men and women.
Woman: squeals or otherwise gasps
Man: “whoooaaaa! Crap! That kinda...blows...”
Lol I know
Thank goodness they put the siren on so all the planes on the runway would pull over.
That kind of... blows
Blow+job.
0:22, 5 or 6 ft above runway at touchdown markers, looked a little fast on the approach.
0:26, halfway along runway floating in ground effect, 2 ft, (at this point it should be power on, gear up, go 'round).
0:28, touchdown 3/4 along runway about 150 metres to go until he is on the beach, no reverse thrust on this thing, wheel brakes only.
0:37, two Banana Daquiris thanks.
Things to work on:
1: Short field landings
2: Go-arounds
3: ADM
people need to know that a go around is OK! that is something my CFI tells me a lot. in my opinion this pilot came in with to much airspeed and then did not react properly to the floating down the runway. when he went past the 1/3 part of the runway he should have aborted the landing but once he passed the halfway mark he should have not even tried to land, once he did touch down though it was to late to try to stop....
"That kind of........ blows???" Yes, it certainly does, especially if you are that pilot.
Actually this happens quite often at St. Barts. The 'ditch' at the start of the runway excels the plane and therefor generates more lift. The runway itself is on a 8% slope and it's also a very short one. The biggest problem is that the moment you touch the runway, so don't have enough speed to perform a go-around. Unlike other airports the rescuers are already in the truck _before_ the plane lands. That's why the firetruck in on camera in under 20 seconds!
They weren’t harmed, they had swimming trunks.
And a spare change of pants
There's always the 'save face' factor & commercial pressure to get in. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, we have all learned from it!
Couldn't wait to hit the beach with a cocktail in hand!
"That kinda ... blows."
Sums it up nicely...
Thanks friend, there is nothing more beautiful than being in & around a shiny piece of metal with wings that can take us to that eternal freedom only the open skies can provide. I do have a friend with a beautiful little RV-6A that we go for spins in, literally ;) 20,000 ft ceiling, O2 equipped, much fun.
"for my next trick imma try to land on the last 10 feet of the runway"
someones looking for a job stocking supermarket shelves lol
Unstabilised approach, floats three quarters of the way down the runway, and still tries to land..the guy’s commentary is hilarious. Well that kind of.....blows..understatement of the century 😂😂😂
I think the pilot lost the licence.
.:AirbusFan:.
In this area you can met
exotic company : sponsor with some money , buy a cheap airplane ( PA23.. ) and use a just rated commercial pilot ...
water around 80*F ...just have a snorkling gear with you ...
Probably
Nah you don't for crashing like that.
Private pilot's license isn't the same as commercial certification, if he did this in a jumbo jet yeah they might not let him fly those anymore but in his a personal aircraft it's no big deal
@@HolbrookStark Obviously he was not the first, judging by skid marks. Also looked like he was coming in too fast and couldn't slow down in time. Thank goodness for what looks like deep sand at the end.
He was coming a bit fast but it could have been saved if he would have thought about the wing in ground effect. The moment he realized the runway was too hot to allow him a normal touchdown he should have done a go around. High wing aircraft land easily even beyond the spot where he touched the runway, but he simply floated on hot air for a split second too long. The Aztec is a nice aircraft but the pilot should have known about the wing-in-ground-effect if attempting to land on a very hot summer day in a valley without wind. The aircraft losing direction could also indicate a too firm braking action and losing one tire during the attempt to stop. Good video though, shows the importance of rational decision making.
thats an aztec i though it was a baron im a plane noob
"That kind of blows"as the wind picks up lol!
"you could always go around" ~Swiss001 2018
For a second there i was expecting the fire truck to crash in the same way as well.
Expensive little landing there. Welcome to St. Barts!!!
nobody:
This dood: lands on the touchdown mark on the other side of the runway.
Andrew Cuber underrated
@@Luke-kv6xh idk
🤣
My Flight Simulator skills tell me this pilot exceeded the approach speed and once he was midway on the runway without a touch down, should have put that plane up again, you can always blame it on the wind and not your skills...jeje
and his GTA skills told him to land anyway,it won't really matter
I’m a real life armchair flight simulator captain and I approve this message. 😂
It would appear, from the video, that this airport requires a steep approach from this direction meaning you will likely have some degree of excessive speed. This guy might have had a bit much even then, but really his mistake was a. not put the plane down sooner (even if that means a harder than desired landing) and b. not going around when it was clear he was too far down the runway.
God I love this island. I've been there so many times.
if you can't land, don't try it, just go around. How the hell did he try to land when he was almost at the end of such a short runway
When you touch down 1900 ft. down a 2133ft runway....
Enjoyed the fire service response....lights and sirens on an empty runway with no traffic...niceee😁
It was an obvious go around...
Mike D No no, he clearly made it. The only miscalculation was he expected pullbacks on this small airfield.
trouble in paradise.
I used to fly a tow plane from a short field with wires at the end across the road and a 250 foot tow rope. You come in at a steep angle in a slip. that is what should be done here. The other option is to land downwind if not too strong. The problem here if landing into the wind, the air blows up the hill reducing the plane's decent. Depends if slips are allowed with flaps.
you guys said u wanted to go to the beach...here we are!!!
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It still gives him views, if you clicked on the video you would have seen that its this exact video with the same exact URL. The video being posted on liveleaks like this is the same thing as posting the video on twitter.
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"well, that....blows" lmao, good commentary
"Oh crap. That kinda blows…" Americans!!
Humans!
What? Expect him to say "Bollocks, That was unfortunate"? People live in different cultures. Deal with it.
TheKonfuzedMan I think he was referring to the totally underplayed reaction, which was fucking hilarious. Chill.
RAAS: LONG LANDING LONG LANDING
Only some people will get this
Exactly. Letting the wheels touch just bleeds off airspeed and then makes for a possible water ditch instead of putting it in the sand trap, but this was a no brainer to go-around before he ever settled.
Even I without any flying licence would have made a go around. What a wanker
Way too high, way too hot
I kept thinking, "He's gotta touch down any time now, right?!" Then he didn't until it was wayyy too late 😂
haha the vastly different reactions between the male and the female make me giggle. and suddenly pissed off cause i hate it when chicks react that way.
Even the slightest thing, some women just... "Oh my GOD! Everybody inside must be dead! They were probably oprhans!"
***** more like they can smell our privilege
+CornWallace If only Powdered Toast Man could have saved them . . .
Yeah, cuz God forbid she become frightened at the sight of the potential death of someone. She should just suck it up like the big, strong man that you are.
He came in too hot.....
Just in case you're interested, assume that the pilot attempted to land at 80knots(41 m/s) and decreased his speed at a constant rate to 0m/s (I know he didn't but it's the best I can do right now). That would mean his average speed was 40knots (20.56metres/sec).It took the pilot 16 sec to travel across the runway. 16s x 20.56m/s =328.96 metres.
If you think about how much time is wasted by trying to land smoothly before decelerating, then Toukout44 is correct to say that he gets 200m to stop.
I live in saint barth
Good for you
Go around!!!
"Listen Kramer, I'm coming in now....I may bend your precious airplane a little, but I'll get it down..."
Do you even go around bro?
Life Hack: If you cant put the bird down and for whatever reason you cant go around, raise the flaps above runway, it will stall down, it may be a hard landing but it is safer than gliding past the entire runway and stopping in the beach...
Slave Of The Most Merciful are you a real pilot
"and for whatever reason you cant go around", What??????
As for raising the flaps, that might have worked IF he had thought of it BEFORE he passed halfway.
He had power, he can go round, he made a real bad decision to try and put it down after he passed the runway midpoint at this airport in that aircraft, bad airmanship, he was "behind the aircraft" all through the approach and it bit him, plain and simple.
There are certain strips that are one way in and one way out, i.e. there is no go around option. I've been into a handful of them. This airport is NOT one of those airports. However, I have done what Slave stated a number of times when I've carried a touch too much speed, and I still want to hit my touchdown point. It's easier to do with manual flaps - which I have on my airplane - than electric flaps. It's not the best technique, but it is a trick to have in your bag if need be, though generally only works when you're in the flare/float from the excess airspeed. Doing it on approach, I wouldn't recommend, there are better options than dumping flaps. All that said, the pilot in the video screwed the pooch on this one before he was at the top of the hill.
"Can you land a Seneca in 650 feet?"
"Nope."
Terrible flying. Every pilot knows not to touch down that late. He should've nosed up and had his airspeed down before he reached the road.
"Well that kinda ... blows?": The universal sound of a boyfriend or husband realising he's enjoying someone else's misfortune, hearing his girlfriend or wife's shock at the incident, then worrying she might think he's a jerk for it and backpedaling unconvincingly :D
"Put her down at the numbers"
"Which number?"
"Yes"
to all the pilots out there, never forget the go around procedure !
It was the only place on the island long and flat enough to accommodate a grassy field. When doing your specific formation here, it's traditionally taught to abort your landing if you still don't have touch at "Charlie", TWY C is only 349m from THR 28.
The guy filming summing up the whole incident with a very justifiable ‘Crap’.. floored..
Welcome to Saint Barthelemy. Thank you for choosing Winair for today's flight. Have a nice day!
quick convenient way to camp at the beach . drinks on the house.what a hospitable pilot !
"That... kinda blows?" LOL best part
For a chap who has over 800hrs, you should know that flaring too high is not going to make you float that far down the runway. The float is excessive airspeed.
The guy probably nosed over coming down the hill to lose the altitude and left his approach power on. Picked up airspeed and then when pulling into the flare, floated a long way down the runway.
Looks like the engines are still running right up until impact too btw.
Flown there many times. what is funny is the people of St. Barths go and park along the runway on the weekends just to watch planes fly in. I have seen planes in the water before too, this guy luckily didn't go all the way into the water as many before him have. You can hear people scream too as pilots normally make a steep downward point after coming over the mountain to hit the runway at the beginning and not have this type accident happen.
Someone there asked: "What's the pickup car(not a truck, these are 1000cc Suzuki/Mitsubishi/Daihatsu thing) for??"
Pickup Driver: "To.....tow?"
Firetruck Driver: "Am I a joke to you???"
Fire engine puts the two tones on to make sure all the traffic moves out of the way
It notifies the pilot and passengers that help is on the way.
Wow, this is like the best cameraman in the world, he didn't shake the camera, didn't stop recording when the plane crashed, didn't move the came when it crashed, and didn't start fucking screaming "OHHH MAI GAAAAWWWWD, CALL AN AMBULANCEEEE".
😂 Let's touch down at the end of the runaway and get this whole landing business done asap.
Instructor: You see those skid marks on the runway? That's where you need to touch down.
Pilot: Okay!
Instructor: I didn't mean the one pair of skid marks you donut.
Saw this clip on World's Dumbest. One comedian commented, "Now don't you just love those flights that can take you right to the beach?"
A pc-12 video discussed the second taxiway as their go around/no go point. I imagine the beta thrust from the turboprops at this field have a lot of extra confidence.
As soon as he floated the roundout...GO AROUND GO AROUND!
"Well that kinda... Blows!" ROFLMAO That is fantastic. Glad everyone is ok though.
I lived on this island for four years in the mid 80's. You need a special license to land here. You need special training no matter how many hours flight time u have., Pilots that nail this landing make it look so easy!! When you are driving on that hill it seems like you can TOUCH the plane TIRES!! They really do come very close...scary.
When I read the title I thought it was clickbait who would of thought you would really be able to capture this amazingness
yes it is downhill. so the flare is a bit different from a normal runway. and there's that steep descent right before the touchdown which makes it really tough to get it right. it's one of the most difficult places to land yes, but also you know right away when you got it wrong and have to go around, which was obviously the case here. st barts doesn't have PAPI. and it wouldn't be of much use anyway since there's a rather tall hill right before the runway threshold which requires a steep descent
the reason he was able to constantly "fly level" was because he was in ground effect and in the case of st barths, with the type of approach, unless completely under control, means you will gain speed before touchdown, meaning greater ground effect. Pilot error, simply because his work load was too much for him to handle and he made the wrong call to try and put down. Unfortunately these things happen, not that you'd wish them to happen to anyone. A great lesson to be learned.
The altitude, descent rate, and approach speed, caused him to develop ground effect or ballooning after flaring, touching down late well above the touch down zone. GO AROUND!!! Full power , flaps one notch, gear up when there is no more usable runway and fly the closed circuit traffic.
Black Box recording: "It's cool, I got this... I got this... I got this.... SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT... I don't got this".
My man’s touched down on the aiming point marking(of the opposite side), 10/10 precision
He floated forever. This is like a Public Service Announcement for go arounds.
This Video is already famous... I saw it a hundred Times on TV ...now i See the full Video the first time :)
The most difficult aerodrom in the world (short Runway +oil due to sea splash, Relief , no ILS or IFR equipment )so if you can't go-around (maybe short fuel. Or other thecnical problem) you will have that one chance ! Al Hamdoulillah the Pilot seems to be ALIVE !!👏
That's a great point, and honestly it's a policy that should be understood when operating any motor vehicle (unless you are racing) :
If it's not 100% safe, don't do it.