Why Traditional Martial Arts Are Not Fake
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2019
- Many people call traditional martial arts fake, yet after studying both traditional martial arts and combat sports and having been on both sides of the argument, I came to an understanding that there is a better term to define the problem. That term is Fantasy Based Martial Arts or FBMA. Thus in this Martial Arts Explore episode we will take a look at why we should stop calling Traditional Martial Arts fake and instead switch to calling the martial arts which lack effectiveness - Fantasy Based Martial Arts.
Part of the knowledge shared in this video is inspired by coach Matt Thornton, founder of Straight Blast Gym (SBG) a global BJJ and MMA organization.
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Here is the list of items for FBMA (Fantasy Based Martial Arts):
• The lack of sparring or pressure testing
• Sparring or pressure testing under very specific, limites set of rules, with very low levels of resistance or pressure
• Heavy reliance on a cooperative partner
• Strong investment in constant repetition of choreographed movements
• The use of the term self defense without the ability to define what are the essential aspects of self defense such as detection, avoidance and deterrence.
• Instead heavy reliance on “what ifs scenarios” and endless, not pressure tested response techniques
• The claim that the martial art would beat a striker or grappler, without ever willing to actually prove it
• Reliance on various excuses and justifications why this martial art is not pressure tested
• Lack of evidence of the effectiveness of the martial art on any level, including recorded footage of its success in fighting or self defense scenarios
• The claim that this martial art is designed to work against untrained attackers, without ever pressure testing it against untrained opponents, even with safety measures such as full contact armor
• Mystification of certain aspects of the martial art, using such terms as Ki, Chi or prana
• Refusal to test the martial art against martial artists of other schools or styles
• Claims that there are secret or special techniques, known only to the school
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In the end, if you look at the Fantasy Based Martial Arts list, while some aspects of them do apply in some Traditional Martial Arts, yet again it shows that a Traditional Martial Art is not necessarily an FBMA. Yet again, I want to admit that I was guilty of making that claim or being vague enough when using the term Traditional Martial Arts myself, yet I hope this episode of Martial Arts Explored will bring clarity not only in my own further explorations, but also in various discussions and the explorations of each individual martial artist.
Let me know in the comments if you feel I’ve missed valuable points to the definition of Fantasy Based Martial Arts. Also, do you personally think the FBMA term may be beneficial in discussions relating to this subject?
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Until then, I wish you to question the hell out of yourself.
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Gonna translate to portuguese, this message needs to reach a lot of people who thinks a kung fu master can harness the ki, chakra or whoppididoo (whatever they calling this day) and kill a man. hope this sparkle the debate between students.
Golem Hameryka dyd nαt kome tu jour ajd yn 1940 vvven dhe 5oviet khâganate invejded.
>Stαp Kalling Ťradišional Maršial Aяts Fejke
Stαp weariŋg appaяel glamoriziŋg dollaя-supremasist ikonz, oя Aj wyll peяsonally tяavel tu Liþhuania tu kyck jour æsshole.
Can I ask you something do you have private email
Harry Alba Any video proof of your abilities? If not, SHUT UP
Hi, there. I'm translating it into Spanish. It will take me a couple of days because it does take time to type everything and I can't devote that much these days. However, it will be finished in the near future.
Look. I'm just going to say it. No martial art is effective without a seriously good hairstyle.
Are you by chance joking about the late Count Dante? Great martial artist who by trade was a hair stylist, but one day he just came unglued. Attacking a rival dojo and it became a literal warzone. I wish I was there to watch the mêlée.
@ I think he's talking about anime.
Lol
Is that why Naruto sucks?
@@feralcyborggaming1531 Saske's?
I judge the effectiveness of a martial art based purely on how well it inflates my ego.
If all that was left of the current average ego here on earth was 1%. People would do just fine.
Lmfaoo dude that was too funny.
@@mr.toadstool3704 unfortunately without ego, people would be dead boring. But yes i agree, it would be much better.
genius!
@@mr28086 I challenge that. I prupose that you would be more yourself than ever if you became one with the universe. Just look at Mike Tyson.
So sad to see what JKD has become. Imagine what Bruce Lee would think.
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Look into JKD concepts. They embrace BJJ and many other martial arts that have been tested like boxing. As for Aikido, I've been trained in Aikido when I worked in mental health. We used it only to get away when a client was trying to beat the crap out of us. It worked well for that.
He would not want to see them fight like he did, he would want them to think like he did
My dad taught me what he said was JKD when I was a child as an adult I see what JKD is now and I don't recognize it what I learned as a kid was more or less boxing mixed with shotokan karate. The issue with JKD is that it's a philosophy not a set style and is ultimately just MMA
@@DimitriLeeBX you described it perfectly. It's sad so many people don't get that. In the Tao of Jeet Kune Do, one of the first things you read is a statement that in the following years lots of schools would probably open claiming to teach JKD, to ride on Bruces name, but that they did not get what it is. It's a philosophy, a mindset, not a martial art.
FYI Wrestling is a traditional martial art. Like the most traditional.
So right. And a regularly training wrestler will destroy majority of all other regularly training martial artists
It all came from the west.. they all went to the Greek Olympics and people of all countries came to compete it was HUGE!!
if you look into what sort of fighting was done in the Olympics you soon get a real idea of why there are so many martial arts...
@@lesliegrayson1722 I think this is called fantasy-based history. No personal offence, I just found the hypothesis humorous (unless of course you are being facetious) :-)
@@nrusimha11 well you sir are a festizio.
The Casual Longsword, you are 100% correct. I have an immense amount of respect for wrestlers. I trained Jui-Jitsu instead of doing wrestling but wrestlers are beasts and are more legit than most. It has been around for a loooooooooong time.
"It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance" Thomas Sowell.
agreed
they call that wisdom, knowing what you dont know
Socrates: He was the wisest man in Athens because he alone was prepared to admit his own ignorance rather than pretend to know something he did not.
I'm a simple man. I see any quote by Dr. Thomas Sowell, and I press "like".
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Thank you, brother , for speaking up for the rest of us practitioners of traditional martial arts.
A problem I constantly see is that many martial arts are functional in some settings, and fantasy in others.
BJJ is a functional martial art at many times, but it loses functionality in large group fighting (because going to the ground is more dangerous when there are more people around). Thinking that you could use BJJ as effectively as it works in a cave in a gang streetfight setting is fantasy. To quote many MMA folks, you fight like you train. If you train 1v1, no weapons, cage fights, then you may be functional in those settings. The further you move from that (5v5, weapons, open air/ability to flee), the less sure you can be that your martial arts will work.
Thus, it is fantasy to think that you will be effective in those circumstances.
Edit: as a side note, I don't think that means those arts are "bad." They're just limited to certain circumstances, which is fine so long as you recognize that/are okay with that.
For example, I study HEMA and Kendo. I know my swordsmanship is not useful if I don't have a sword, and I accept that it won't keep me safe if I'm unarmed. I'm totally fine with that, but it'd be fantasy to think otherwise.
So give up HEMA, and study Filipino Escrima/Kali instead. Most of the 12 strike patterns taught with various weapons can be translated over to empty hand techniques...we don't use separate techniques for weapons and empty hand...my opponent's angles of attack are more of a concern to me than what style of fighting he has, or what type of weapon.
Also, we train "weapons of opportunity", or "improvised weapons"...if you can lift it, and it ain't bolted down to the floor, it's a weapon. ANYTHING goes when it comes to surviving a life and death encounter.
If you were to ask a Special Forces Operator what hos most important weapon or tool is, he would say "my mind"...YOU have to BE the weapon. In Escrima there is something referred to as "the bladed hand".
You have to visualize your hand slashing like a machete, or smashing like a hammer.
You dont fight someone with a weapon, or when you're outnumbered
Is stupid no matter what martial art you practice, just run...
Your thinking is spot-on and aligns with my basic assertion that each martial art is nothing but a separate set of tools and strategies. Which set of tools and strategies is 'better'? Well, that really depends on what you want to accomplish, the situation at hand, and the practitioner wielding those tools.
You perfectly put into words my thoughts on the subject. I have given similar answers to this question.
@@viniciuskcc That's best but not always practical or available. Sometimes you have to fight your way out so you can run.
I like how non biased you are. So many people are way too biased
Thanks! I'm really doing my best
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I agree
Learn all the Martial arts and appreciate it
Lies lol
Been watching and doing martial arts for awhile, about 7 years and one thing I’ve always noticed and say to people, “if it looks like a movie, it probably doesn’t work”
Good point 🙏
i've seen boxing movies, muay thai movies, MMA movies.... lol
My Hapkido master told me "never underestimate a swift kick in the nuts" and I feel like that's something everyone in martial arts tend to forget
I love you. You honestly evaluated and removed your ego. Aikido gave you more important skills than being able to fight.
Aikido didn't do that. He himself did that. That's not something teachable. Comes from a lifetime of evaluation and learning leading to understanding and wisdom.
• Strong investment in constant repetition of choreographed movements
This is basically learning the fundamentals...learning the framework. It's basically you the same thing as when you are learning the numbering tables ( adding, subtracting, multiplication, division) You built off of learning the tables in order to use them in higher math (algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, etc). When you move to higher levels of the martial arts, your movements are more natural and you don't have to think about them. You don't have to think about placement of your arms or legs, how far to lift or pivot your foot and knee.
So repetition is important for understanding the basics.
Everything you said applies to boxing, wrestling, BJJ, Mui Thai and all the various styles of MMA. Repetition of choreographed movements without sparring is useless, if your martials is not tested in unchoreographed situations you're just getting scammed.
That's true, Edgar. The problem is that when you read comments and hear comments about the fundamental techniques that the techniques in MMA come from, they get no respect. It's like jumping in a fast water rapid and being expected to know how to swim in one when you don't know the basics of swimming. Don't get me wrong, I agree 100% that the application of techniques (sparring) is the only way to know if they will work against another person. But, if you don't even know how to throw a punch and throw it correctly against the air...than well, isn't that a problem?
@Dee Bee And if you don't have a teacher, bags, pads and a partner to train with, then what do you do? Even teachers know that you have to practice on your own. One type of practice isn't the end all-be all to learning. They are all parts of the whole.
@Dee Bee Ok, so what is shadow boxing? Shadow boxing is the other side of the coin of forms practice. Forms practice is pre-arranged set of moves. Shadow boxing is the freestyle/putting moves together at random, mixing up, whatever you want to call it. It's like what Master Sean said in one of the videos about American Kenpo. When you are learning how to read, you learn the ABCs and then you learn the grammar and simple sentences; that is how you are able to make more and understand complex sentences. This isn't exactly what Master Sean said, but do you get the point of it. Not all martial arts have forms and that's ok. But, in any kind of learning, you need to know how to walk before you can run. I'm not saying that you are wrong for your opinion, Dee bee, all I'm saying is that shadow boxing isn't the end all-bee all of training.
At the end of the day, it comes down to understanding that Martial Arts, Fighting and Self Defense are NOT the same thing.
They are all magical and beautiful (except the ones that are CLEARLY McDojos) and they all serve their own separate purpose.
Find which one works for you. Figure out what it is you want to achieve from your training.
Is it a "Sense of Self" and Maximizing the Mechanics of your body? - Martial Arts
or you wanna know that you can kick ass in a fight? - Fighting
or you wanna know that you can protect yourself and your family from any physical threats? - Self Defense
There's NO reason at all to be bashing other systems (except the ones that are CLEARLY McDojos) because the bottom line is "Self Improvement"
and if you get that from a "Traditional" Martial Art then go forth and be happy.
Its all one love guys!
Best answer here.
generally, if the gym offers full contact sparring, than, it's likely legit enough for a "sport" situation. but as in everything in life, every situation is different and requires different training.
It is grateful to read the comment of someone who uses his head!
@@jaimediaz1790 the brain is the most important tool any of us can use.
I joined martial arts when I was 14. As the years went by, I fell out of love with tournaments. Because to me, your happiness lies in knowing you can defend yourself in a real life situation. Having been in a few, unfortunately and nearly having my mother killed, I realised something. If it was not for kyokushin I would not withstand body blows and even two face punches. My experience in boxing saved my throat being slit!. Jiu-jitsu only helped in knowing how to take a fall on hard ground.,its incomparable and extremely painful. You see the human body can't be fooled, as a doctor I know that much adrenaline secretion gets violently ejected into your blood circulation when confronted with a real live or die case. Until you have been in a fight that you know is either do or die, u have nil clue. Carrying a weapon is your best bet, trust me, hands down!. Nothing comes closer to real life application than boxing and kyokushin - the hardest training in both I experienced in my life. But damn it's worth every penny. Many mma fighters respect both box n kyokushin, but few will enter into grueling gruesome professional fights in kyokushin because it's not payable. My advice to wannabe martial artists, learn anything anywhere but do train in kyokushin boxing and jiu-jitsu - but no matter what carry something in your pocket or even use car keys to stab. I would love to develop a style like jeet kune do and teach people that which I advised for real scenarios. That's the only way you can handle pure adrenaline, because that nerves u feel before a tournament is a butterfly anxiety syndrome its not adrenaline perse. I hope my advice will save your life and the ones that you love. Be safe.
In Tang Soo Do I had some tough instructors (who I thought were mean) they would never let me out of a wrist grab. They would make sure to have lots of resistance. I would get black and blue marks and even got a sprained wrist, I had some friends who couldn't take this type of training and left the dojo.(not to throw shade, but they joined Tae Kwon Do, which was more sports like) Our dojo got a reputation of being "barbaric" Other karate dojos had many more students and would win tons of trophies at tournaments. (in point sparring) My instructors said that at least their students would be able to defend themselves. So it's not necessarily whether a martial art is "fake" but what they hold most important. Do you want a dojo that leans towards the sport/hobby aspect? Do you want a dojo with lots of students who makes a lot of money and win tournament trophies? Or you want to make sure your dojo students can defend themselves in real life situations?
I've found tang soo do to be pretty effective in a stand up fight even though I've found some techniques to be questionable as to its usage but saying that I agree that it all depends on your sbn and how your taught. The training I undertake is pretty intensive as well and thank god most if not all dojangs allow sparring.
Beautifully said myself been training in various Martial Art Forms since I was 5 years old for the past 17 years studying Combat-Hapkido and Fu Jow Pai combative forms
What you've said is "The Truth". As you train so you shall perform.
@Forza è onuri whatever works for you and something you'll stay with is best imho. (Even though I don't think one style (any style) can deal with all scenarios.) Curious as to why you think that savate (with its high kicks) would be easier on the joints?
@Forza è onuri most combative martial arts don't use high kicks mid and low kicks are used
As a practitioner of traditional Shaolin and Neijiaquan for almost 10 years now I appreciate this channel. My dad always taught me that in solo training we train to combat ourselves and with a partner we train to combat a real opponent. No matter how long you train without resistance and sparing your only dancing. I started Jujitsu 2 years ago and got in my first fight this year. In my first fight I was able to apply my shaolin training because I trained against real resistance and am blessed to have my dad who has much real world fighting experience to guide me.
Talking about Aikido specifically, I don't think the problem is with the art but the training. I don't advocate trying to apply sparring rules to it because that gets... weird, however, Gozo Shioda says in Aikido Shugyo (paraphrased) "practicing prearranged forms is a method of study to learn the posture required to break someones balance. It's important to understand from the beginning that we are not saying that this is precisely the movement one must follow in an actual combat situation", and talks about, if you can't get to that point of understanding that the strict movements are a teaching tool, not an actual fighting technique (I.e. you haven't understood the riai of it) then it won't work in a real fight. Then again, they used to wander the streets and get into fights at night so they had the experience of real resisting opponents and how their Aikido fit together with that. On top of that, I think a lot of Aikidoka forget to use their strikes. When you're just scrambling to grab a wrist of course it won't work. The often quoted "atemi is 70% of a real fight" goes out the window and people just put their hands up, walk backwards til theyre on the ropes or in a corner and then get pounded; instead of moving forwards, taking space, striking and then going for a throw when the opportunity presents or is created.
Cool story bro. It doesn't work
Practicing prearranged forms is what they do in karate and then they are able to apply them in a kumite. Specially because they train live resistance, of course the technique during a fight and in kata don't look the same, but the principles ARE the same.
I am a BJJ practitioner and aikido instructor, and I can tell you that the main problem with aikido is not necessarily the way in which it is trained, but the lack of a training ADDITIONALLY in a realistic scenario.
As Shioda said, form is necessary, but indeed... we also need to add some sparring. It has been a year since I added sparring after each traditional aikido class, and you can't imagine the improvement!
@@AikidoScholar Exactly, and while Shioda and his peers solution (if its believed) of prowling the streets at night looking for fights is not the best solution for a modern world, I wonder if its still better than pressure testing in a dojo. I mean, if you're live sparring against another aikidoka, you're going to have a rough estimation of what to expect.
I'm curious, what rules do you use for your sparring/testing? I've spoken to Tomiki guys who swear they can take out groups of armed attackers because they do group knife disarm drills and I worry that it just falsely inflates confidence.
@@Justifiedlue you can always have a look at my channel (I don't need subscriptions, likes and these things, I upload videos first of all for my students and local community to help them with their doubts if they are not in the dojo in certain moments).
About rules... depends on the day and the technique/principle we are focused. For instance our last video on youtube was working with a knife attack... but the technical study in the regular class that day was tai sabaki (movement), in order to stay out of the lines of attack.
We also work "aiki-grappling" trying to apply an aikido technique with resistance (those which don't need atemi waza... which are just a few in all aikido curriculum, to be honest) or sometimes we grab protection helmets and work with the striking previous of a throw or technique.
Normally it depends, because we are a traditional aikido school, our main goal is to develope and teach the aikikai aikido curriculum... but in my "other" goals as instructor and bjj practitioner, I want my students to be able to apply at least the aikido principles in real situations too... after all, aikido IS a martial art and it has been proven to me more and more everytime I spar using its principles during my bjj trainings.
EDIT: And about that people from tomiki aikido... knife attacks and trainings can be tricky sometimes. Knife attacks in a high percent of cases exist in ambush-like assaults. Nobody approaches in the street wielding a knife and clearly stating that he/she is going to attack you... and if that happens... better, you are now being informed that you MUST run.
Aikido doesn't even prepare you for combat sports let alone a fight let alone a war. It's a fake ""martial" "art"". Anyone who's ever looked up the words "martial" and "art" in context of each other in Webster's Dictionary and he knows anything about Aikido knows that.
Are we currently watching bjj transition into a "Traditional MA" seems there's currently a divide between Self Defense Gracie style and Sport based Bjj. It will be interesting to see if it survives or suffers the same fate as JKD. What do you think?
It's a great subject. I'm still looking into it and considering to make a video about it
@@MartialArtsJourney that would make a great video. When you take into account the claims by some that bjj has caused them to experience mini strokes I wonder if in 30 years the choke is not drilled as much and the style becomes more about arm and leg locks.
Both are effective, the sports one is less, but you'll still get outclassed in a real fight by one. A Gracie, no GI bjj is custom built for a fight though against one person. Which is better. The thing about tma is they are utterly ineffective when being "street ready". And only foster certain traits that are useless outside of their specific competition, like point spar karate or Olympic tkd.
??? Bjj competition still allows the lethal submissions. During winter people walk around with jackets and clothing similar to a gi while during summer no gi training is more applicable. Most people I know who train bjj also dabble in a stand up art.
@@MohseenLala Remember Karate wasn't made as a sport based art originally. But they did focus a lot on conditioning.. I think modern traditional arts have lost that to appeal to a greater audience. They either focus on competition, or focus on traditions without adding the other hard training that made it so dangerous.
I think the same has happened to a lot of traditional Japanese jujutsu systems/schools too.
*Lesson:*
Always pressure test what you learned from any form of Martial Arts
Best martial art is experience. Knowing what works is better than any specific art or technique.
@@sebastienroux1790 you can figth even without training in any martial art, just learn how to fight. But ... it's like going on a battlefield without firearm. Martial art gives you tools to make your fight learning process a lot more easier. Even aikido or tai chi gives value to ppl who are smart enough to understand it.
@@tavtav3526 Think about how natural fighting can be. If you didn't know about martial art moves you wouldn't think about fancy moves. Someone swings your way, you move your head out of the way and swing back. Look at some of Mike Tyson's moves. One of the best boxers if not the best boxer. Martial art can actually drag you down if you have a traditional teacher and not a practical mma/kickboxing teacher.
I can't practice my traditional martial art with hard realistic pressures and techniques. It's also banned in mma and UFC.
Mostly because stabbing somebody with a arming sword and dagger is often seen as cheating or unfair.
That's the key!
I took aikido for 18 months or so. It wasnt my thing but I felt it made my other martial arts better just due to how much you pay attention to hip and core movements in Aikido.
That's what it originally was made for. It's not a base m.a.
Though it's Aikido's own fault for not advertising what it is
I've been an aikido practitioner for over 25 years now, and aikido practitioners talking about fighting with aikido arts is a very strange thing. We were taught aikido as a passive art of self-improvement and discipline in our individual lives, and that fighting is the ultimate failure of our discipline. Someone who goes their entire life without throwing a single punch is a master.
MMA taunting us into the ring is a level of aggression and elitism that should be rightly ignored, if our own masters taught us well. Rise above your violence, and all.
@@JS-kr8fs So what you're saying is, you paid thousands of dollars over 25 years to learn how to be a pacifist? Great job, Einstein.
@@diddlypoop You're assuming my master ran a dojo out of a storefront beside Save-a-Lot.
Good on you for realizing the flaws and fixing them with an open mind. That is a true martial artist 🤙🏼
My favorite part was guy with lemon juice on face.
Rokas, I propose "Demonstration- based martial arts. " These arts are 100% effective within their own microcosm, and designed for performances before an audience, on the stage or screen.
I can go with your name, msdungan, or something similar. When you have "fantasy based" as a name, it automatically discounts and puts a bad, unfair description of a martial art. The martial arts all have an historical foundation that one martial art is based its ancient predecessor. The history of the ancient and/or old martial arts come from word-of-mouth and/or written & drawings. Many of our current/modern/traditional martial arts come from warring/fighting/etc. What arts did the Samurai arts spaw for example? Are they fantasy based? They were battle tested in ancient times. So, I just think that we really aren't giving traditional martial arts their due, because many of the people discounting them don't know and understand history.
@@ghost7524 welcome to the convo, though you're quite late...
I'll respond to your statements and questions in respective order.
What does your first statement mean? Is English your first language? Nevermind.
I don't know of any activity promoting itself as both fantasy based and martial art. Much of almost every martial arts curriculum is...fluff. Filler. Something for students to do to challenge their creativity, fitness components, etc. For instructors, it's something to keep students... well... to keep students. Beyond some basic boxing, blocking, evasion, low- middle level kicking, and grappling defense - which should soundly be taught early in color- belt ranks - much of the m.a. curriculum is impractical.
Dancing, too, has historical foundation. Newer dances have more ancient predecessors. I can site other activities which fit the description you've supplied. Like... gymnastics. Stage- performance. Ball games. Etc.
I think I've covered your statements/ questions. Most martial arts will be completely or almost completely non- existent in 30-40 years. If that. If many do survive, they will promote themselves more accurately as performance physical training exercises, much like group exercise classes at your local fitness club, only with a predominance of male attendees.
@@msdungan Hello and thanks. I just came across this video late Saturday night. English is most definitely my first language.
My first statement was is in basic agreement that the term "fantasy based" that Rokas should be changed to something else as the perception it gives for traditional martial arts is not good.
Wow...you really have no hope for martial arts to survive as an art/combat form vs a performance form? I get what you're saying...the martial arts have evolved from pure combat into pretty techniques to do. But, that is just the natural order of time, as we living in the modern times don't have to carry a sword and have duels or one clan challenges another. I'm not so doubtful as you that the martial arts will go away. Adapting to what the world is is how we survive...the martial arts is no different. While how martial arts techniques look fluffy and many techniques are taught as fillers, the basics will still be here and not go anywhere. You have to know the basics one way or another to change/adapt them for what we see.
Does people not know MMA means Mix 'Martial Arts'
Yes they do, but the martial arts they are referring to are ones belonging to a very specific subset that are considered to be more effective than other subsets. Effective meaning, being able to apply or execute techniques against an opponent who is resisting and completely non-cooperative.
But have you ever taken martial arts at all? I don't know how MMA fighters train. But how they seems to be a bit different from a regular tournament. I've watched both when I was younger.
@@kennethwood88 Yes I do train, BJJ with some minor experience in Judo. MMA fighters train the same way most people do who practice styles that have competitive elements and focus more on athleticism/sport rather than on the artistic aspect. :)
@D core The focus might ofc differ, but every singel mma fighter knows Atleast The basics. A striker would know doubleleg take downs, armbars, guillotine chokes etc.
Will a bjj focused fighter throw a perfect spinning back kick? Probably not often. But for sure they can, after a while, throw a decent low kick, and have a (relatively) competent jab.
@@Thinkingman69 "mixed martial arts" is buy and large a sport like boxing. even a bunch of its techniques would be ineffective in real combat
I've been really questioning myself and the martial art I study. I've noticed we don't do a lot of what I feel we need. We haven't sparred in so long and only on occasion do we practice self defense. Thankfully, we've all noticed this and are changing our approach, but I also decided to branch out and try other styles as well, to learn from them. I'm glad we're making the change and moving towards the future. I want us to pressure test even more and emphasize techniques and practicality more. I noticed us doing this more often recently and I'm gonna push for us to do this all of the time.
This is why I love martial arts, when we can really look at what we do, openly and honestly and make the changes to keep up, especially with us TMAs. So glad I found this channel!.
This video couldn't have come sooner.
Hopefully it chills out some toxic mentalities
Exactly! Hopefully it will stop all the McDojo videos. When people go to traditional martial arts schools, record them and say it's all fake. Just because you see one demo doesn't mean you see the entire scope of the martial art. If you're trying to get more people to join a dojo, you don't want people street brawling and beating each other up. Especially if you're trying to get kids to join.
You know it won't. Some people are set in their ignorance
They are not doing this to make fun of them. But to help people to expose the ineffectiveness and encourage people to train in arts that will help them per each person's goals. Usually self defense.
@@youngrevival9715 let's not even act like even most of these bros do this to be constructive. Read what's being said. There is a difference between constructive criticism and effectively being contentious behind the veil of "aid"
One can shoot straight without conflating and then falling into a hug box mentality.
Forget it, those toxic mentalists feel butt hurt now and that make them even worse.
Very good video. This is a distinction that has been very needed. I've often found myself caught in between the two camps who think I'm picking sides when I'm on neither. Not all TMAs are bad, not all modern MAs are good, and vice versa. It comes down to the practitioner and how well they understand whatever martial art(s) they practice.
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I train Shotokan a traditional martial art yet I spar all the time and adapt what I have learn to make it effective. I also do point competition which is totally different. I know I am lacking on the ground and need to study BJJ and maybe judo as well. My style is not fake but not complete either. In the end it was why Bruce discredited his own system. Because it conformed up to that point and he still wanted to evolve. As for fake I guess that depends on your definition and how you really want to test it. In a real fight, in MMA, so many variables. Any I avoid calling any martial art fake unless I know why you are studying it.
Unless you plan to compete in MMA or BJJ there is no need for you to study either. Our ancestors did not know any martial arts and they bred and survived in a far more violent world and that was before guns made all men equal.
@空手家 Yeah a few people did develop them but you're most likely not descended from them anymore than I am a descendant of medieval British royalty. Obviously my point was that micromanaging every aspect of your existence by worrying about acquiring every skill known to man is a self-made prison that you alone have the keys to.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Boxing has existed for thousands of years that we know of, and people have been fighting since forever. Martial arts as the practice of combat has always existed, whether as a combat sport such as boxing wrestling, pankration, etc or as training methods to teach soldiers how to use weapons. Even hunter gatherer societies would need to teach their hunters/warriors how to use their weapons, and would do so through training that could be considered a martial art.
@@linuswesson5955 I don't disagree with you. However, people except for a small minority of hobbyists and professionals have not obsessed about fighting. Even modern society needs soldiers, cops, guards etc. but that's still a small segment of the population and even those vocations do not emphasize martial arts heavily. It's true that conscripts have always been taught fighting skills and in many countries it's still mandatory for men but it's not a life long obsession; once the military training is over, it's never returned to it again. I personally know of only one case in my distant social circle where a person was killed by unarmed violence on the street and in that case the guy was struck from behind so he never had a chance. I hope you can see why I said that people do not "need" BJJ, boxing and especially not both at the same time as the time and energy investment is very big.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 Training with guns and modern weapons are still martial arts, though. Shooting properly takes technique that is trained into soldiers through what can be considered the modern martial art of marksmanship.
As for combat sports such as BJJ and boxing, you're right that the time and energy investment seems too large for some people. Thus, it isnt for people who dont want to put the time and effort into learning how to fight. In the same way that figure skating isnt for people who dont want to put the time and effort into learning how to skate.
I remembered when your first videos showed up pressure testing aikido was around the same time I finally got the opportunity to train in martial arts. Following your journey has been similar to mine, from trying out different styles i found in college and travelling, I have been slowly defining what martial arts means and how I want it to define me. Seeing your new videos now has really been inspiring. I love watching how much you have grown and the added benefit of bringing a perspective of traditional martial arts to the modern martial arts. Right now im focusing on BJJ since I finally graduated and can afford a good gym. I look forward to seeing and learning from the rest of your journey.
Fact is, these days folk aren't interested in facts - just easier to write off as fake than actually stop and learn something.
true. people just want to be the tough guy and learning forms and real techniques take to long and hitting pads and heavy bags will boost their ego faster
yeah this guy is obsessed with just inflating is eagle he doesn't even realize two of the most important things in MMA are traditional martial arts
Ah master
Teach pride parade dance moves
Then go get into fight
@@OnyxXThePunch the other important thing is
Spelling or winning?
@@asmodeusasteroth7137 sounds like you salty about something I don't know why when it's a literal fact boxing and wrestling are traditional arts
"Judo is condsidered a traditional martial art that's effective"
Judo gave birth to modern combat sports which in turn lead to BJJ. In fact Judo is completely modern in practice and functionality when compared to other Traditional Japanese martial arts. The etiquette and the spirit or Budo has been preserved and re-packaged but beyond that its Judo fits more comfortably with other grappling based arts like BJJ and Wrestling.
If I'm not mistaken BJJ is basically a reskinned slightly added to form of Judo. I could be wrong but wasn't Gracie taught by a Judo master then he went and founded his school. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are right, a Ne Waza expert infact. Both arts have evolved in different directions but the core is the same.
Yes, judo is a combat sport created by Kano Jigoro based on Jiu Jitsu in 1880.
@@shastasir9715 Ι believe that Judo as taught by Kano has Jiu Jitsu period. The rules were changed when it was introduced as an olympic sport
@@antonarap older jiu jitsu had some striking, although it wasn't the focus of the art. To my knowledge, Kano Jigoro's version removed the striking to make it purely grappling, both standing and floor.
Well, "fighting under a very limited set of rules" - sadly, this applies to the current top notch...
I stay with my own credo: it´s the fighter not the art/sport.
Thorsten Frank Agreed. It’s the fighter.
I disagree. The "best" tai chi practitioner in the world has no chance against someone with 2 yrs of solid MMA or BJJ training. It can definitely be the style.
@@jsmall10671 You don´t get what "it´s the fighter really means".
A fighter analyses everything he encounters and looks for ways to utilise them. Regardless of style. He strifes to learn everything he could. He learns the strategy and tactics of combat. And he tries to get the right mindset. Knowing that he could lose every fight he enters. That he get´s hurt. Maybe even dies in the process. That the opponent will do everything to hurt him and that he wants to win too. And he knows when to be aggressive and when not. And that there differences between sport and fighting.
A solid training is great - but it´s only the point of beginning. Nothing more.
jsmall10671 tai chi is an internal martial form of exercise based on the former combative and external art of Tai Chi Chuan or Tai Ji Quan which I am sure likely no longer exists.
@@ronin47-ThorstenFrank what if that person has earned the credentials to teach in his style but comes across multiple situations that his style doesn't cover is it his fault or his style. Many styles have limits
Thank you for this heart felt video. I feel quite a few of us have been on both sides of the argument, maybe many times on our own personal journeys.
Thank you for making this video! You really adressed beautifully many questions I have been struggling with myself for years now!
_(I have myself trained many years in ITF Taekwon-Do, judo and also tried out several other more or less traditional martial art styles including aikido.)_
I think another classification that could be used would be Performance-Based Martial Arts, specifically for styles like Wushu, Tai Chi, Haidong Gumdo, and Iaido, which are trained for the purpose of performance and demonstration. Like you've stated, as long as an instructor or school is honest about what they teach, then those arts have a place in the world.
Pretty insightful and defying video! Hope ppl who really love martial arts are up to the challenge of questioning their practices and themselves!
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What a breath of fresh air your channel is, thank you for your time and sound logic. (hitting the sub button)
You bring up many great points!! Thanks for putting together this insightful video.
Respect to you for pressure-testing your Aikido techniques and having the integrity to acknowledge it was not as effective as you believed. All the best to you.
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Hello Rokas, as always, awesome video. Calling all traditional martial ineffective is a form of close mindedness as well. I wish you could feature Geoff Thompson from England. One of the worlds leading self defense experts. Peter Consterdine Knows him. I believe he would be able to contribute a lot in your Journey. I was on a journey like you years ago and I never stopped. I teach at southmetro MMA Philippines. We teach Karate, Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ and Kali. My specialty is on Muay Thai and Karate yet recently if focused more on BJJ. More power brother. Wish Incould have a conversation with you so I can share my journey as well.
Thank you! 🙏 Geoff Thompson is on my list for sure!
Geoff Thompson is the man. #TheBouncer
good job bro. I'm following your journey for some time now, and I am glad someone is bringing this topics up in the way you do it. Nice work. Myself, since decades I could probably say now, triying to set up a training environment for really applying nad/or experimenting with aikido techniques, but greatly failed over and over again what concerns aikido (there are other ma involved too). One o f the main problems I face when trying to apply aikido techniques, is this (I think the example works quite well here) : even if you would get a grab on an attackers arm (which is difficult enough), how would you perform for example kote gaeshi in a way it might work, on someone not knowing how it works (how to fall, etc), without most probably breaking the attackers handwrist? Allthough I, like it seems the case with you, also woke up someday from that dream, still, I find there is a lot to learn from aikido principles in the sense of "profound studies in mechanics and dynamics" (but not to be confused with a martial art that would work in the streets or even in a ring). If you look at "military martial arts" you would find the same principles (ikkyo, nikkyo, kote gaeshi, etc), just that they are trained and applied in a "hard" way. So, I don't really think aikido is "dead" even as a martial art (although it seems the founders intention never really was to use it as a "real" martial art, but more as a spiritual way), but I know there still is quite a way to go before getting there. So therefore I totally appreciate the work you are doing. Thanks bro!
Big respect to you from a former Aikido practitioner, myself. Bummed I missed you when you were in Portland! I enjoy your videos. Cheers!
I consider Portland to be one of my homes now, I'm planning to come back for a bit next year :)
I'm planning to move to California soon, but if I'm still around I'll definitely come visit you! We're both young. Perhaps our paths will cross somewhere down the road.
All the best!
I enjoy your vídeos and breakdown. Would like to know your thoughts on MMA's transition into a sport rather than a combat style and how it affects practioners perspectives on handling real life situations. Case in point, while training I would notice individuals believing they could handle any real life situation while ignoring that street conflicts don't have a rule set. My experience comes from my years in military law enforcement and how we would have to subdue individuals. Background of myself, I transitioned from boxing into grappling and eventually MMA for a few years in my earlier to late 20s. I understand my limitations due to my lack of training to the last couple of years; hence, my inquiry.
Thanks. That is actually exactly what my next video will be about! 😊🙏
@@MartialArtsJourney thats great to hear looking forward to it. :)
in a few decades there will be schools of fantasy based MMA xD
Traditional martial arts are not fake - they are very dogmatic.
Depends on the school, but certain tendencies to exist for sure
But Mixed Martial arts exists because of traditional martial arts, mma is after all a combination of any 2 or more traditional styles of martial arts, taking the best aspects of those styles after pressure testing them and rolling them into one
We have a disclosure of Wing Chun here which debunks the mainstream Wing Chun and it also explains why are there so many mainstream Wing Chun practitioners failing on RUclips. Check it out ruclips.net/video/N8ViFgGPA2k/видео.html
Another problem that I have run into is that combat sports are actually more sport than combat. It seems more realistic because there is so much more to adjust for on the fly, and so much more stress. Unfortunately, whenever something is watered down to a sport, most of the realism is lost to things like safety gear, and/or rules/restrictions, equal weights, and/or weapons, and always training and competing against the exact copy of oneself. Part of the problem is that if these systems were effective, then they would not be able to stand there and land attacks back and forth for twenty minutes in order to keep it interesting for the crowd. When you see an old bouncer humiliate a professional "fighter", and show him the door, it can be a bit eye opening.
Ever since I started following your channel and looked at my own experiences with Aikido, I was a bit lost and devastated about what direction it was taking me. At the end, I just stopped thinking of it as a martial art and just thought of it more as a sport. It's what kept me in practice and it's probably the best approach I could come up with regarding Aikido. If I want an effective combative system, that's where I go out and practice kickboxing and jujitsu. You could say that I'm quite thankful for all the videos you've posted up to this point. It's helped me to grow as a martial artist as well.
"a man boxing and wrestling for a year could beat a life time martial artists" -- Bruce Lee
I don't think he ever said that
I like this term it’s more accurate
Aikido is mainly about wrist locks. If you sparred against someone with boxing gloves on, how would you apply your Aikido techniques? I'm not saying, as you have experienced it yourself, that Aikido is ineffective against someone who resists but try to be a little more fair to it. Small bone breaks and wrist locks are disallowed in MMA matches. Aikido might not work in sport combat, where the two face each other and circle around, but might work in a quick self-defense fight where you apply a technique on an attacker.
maybe this??:
ruclips.net/video/f5u4zyZDVw0/видео.html
traditional myauthai chaiya have similar concept as counter atack...
It was always taught at my dojo that every style wins under their own rules agains someone comming from a different style. I believe two high level practicioner is visioned in these scenarios. The notion made sense so it was wildly accepted.
What eye opening was for me that even a beginner at a contact sport can beat a high level martial artist, and I doubt that would be a case across different syles of contact sports (give it's both standing or grapling based).
Thank you for the video, keep up!
I have studied martial arts since I was 12 years old. I am totally tired of these idiotic comments about 'fake' martial arts, or how MMA and BJJ are 'real', while Kung Fu is B.S., etc. It's all blather and ignorance from people that have very little experience with either traditional martial arts or street fighting. Here are the facts, plain and simple: Every 'martial art' is nothing but a separate set of tools and strategies. What determines the effectiveness of those tools and strategies is the level of expertise of the person applying them. What determines that person's level of expertise is the amount, and type, of practice that person has had in applying those tools and strategies in a variety of situations that are close as humanly possible to real life and death combat. Aikido moves, for example, might seem very unrealistic, or even useless, when executed by someone with little, or no, actual fighting experience. They could, however, rise to a high level of potency when carried out by someone who has learned to flexibly apply them under the rigors of real-world combat.
I totally agree. There are so many people judging a martial art “ineffective” because they weren’t able to apply their techniques in their first fights. It seems they never question themselves, instead they say things like “karate has turned out to be useless, I was beaten by a kickboxer so I’ll start practicing kickboxing now!”
I chose this example because my dad was a karate practitioner with a lot of street fight experience. Boxers and kickboxers were giving him a hard time in the beginning, but he never ended up saying “oh, I guess karate is not as useful after all, I’ll give it up and try something else “. Instead he kept working on his skills, tried to figure out how to fend off their attacks and finally succeeded. He was persistent and became a very skilled fighter. He didn’t shy away from learning the hard way, i.e. getting knocked out multiple times for the sake of gaining the experience he needed to improve himself. He always told me that there’s no other way to become a skilled fighter than to actually fight, and there are no failures, just learning experiences.
Love this comment
I see all martial arts as serving a purpose of some kind: self defense, fitness, camaraderie, etc... As long as we're all honest about what each can do, no problems. However, not many aikido or tai chi instructors are going to be honest. Tai chi and aikido might possibly help you in a fight against an untrained opponent. Against someone with even minimal training in a combat/sport style, they are useless.
You nailed it! What makes your training effective is YOU!! End of story!🥋🎯
@@jsmall10671 You get Aikido and Taichi and then you get "Mystical Aikido" and "Magical Taichi", the martial arts are actually usable, but how many people have the correct body, reactions, movements, speed. Lots of people match their speeds in demonstrations, but in a real fight having faster reaction time even if you are countered, by reacting faster you can counter what would normally work. If i punch really fast and your counter is to land a hyper punch in advance to take me out with my own force while stepping in, if my reaction is faster and i am trained well enough i could redirect my initial attack and get you in the temple unless you got longer arms. Then you still factor in if his reactions keep your arm in his sights and ducks in for a punch to the gut instead, but being faster he uses a rising knee to break your nose, but you being fast jump away before it hits and you both reset positions.
In most of those cases if you were maybe just slightly lagging behind on reaction time, speed not to mention if you lack power they could simply take the counter hit in exchange for landing their more powerful hit to win the fight. This is why defensive fighting is not always good, counter punching is strong, but the first attack means you have the initial momentum and redirecting someone's force is very dangerous if you do not match the timing. What good is an arm toss counter to a punch if the guy uses their other free hand for a massive blow to the ribs or back, also surprise attacks. Some traditional martial arts moves are so stupid that simply using them could delay an opponent's reaction time if it is their first time seeing it. Since the time your brain spends thinking "WTF is he doing" is all the time needed for a foot to be hitting you flat in the face. Also split kicks are sometimes underrated if you launch a high attack with fists there is always a chance of an attack from below, that is why some aikido fails, you counter the high strike, get hit by a low strike something Boxers actually get used to from conditioning and training.
All martial arts are real, but to use them for fighting requires training, experience, practice and a body good enough to use it. Du Mak or how ever it is spelled is a real martial arts, striking anatomy pressure points to disable or kill opponents. It does have a few weaknesses being that the martial art does not train you for extended fighting since most of the moves are one or two hits to win, but if you do not do some endurance and mass stamina training if you miss those one or two hits and the fight draws out you will either be too tired to use its full effect anymore, or you will be too slow to use it in time or too weak for the blow to wait i am repeating myself but you get the idea.
Du Mak can not be safely tested since most of the moves are designed to kill people, with strikes to the temple, various pressure points that target your internal vitals. There are a few things you need to also take into account, anatomy. People with deformed areas might not have the same general pressure points, some martial artists have numbed nerves from hitting too much wood in certain areas making some areas unresponsive and some people are so hyped on steroids with muscles that you can not even reach their pressure points normally, not counting in actual wars where people have guns and body armor.
Krav Maga is strong because it deals with Hand vs Gun fighting and practical applications as well, you do not dodge the bullets, you dodge their aim and the timing of the trigger pull if your hearing or sight is good enough to pick it up in time.
So long long really really long story short
"Do not rely on the martial art alone, you need to work on yourself as well. A black belt in Karate with the reaction time of a Sloth will not be winning any fights. Reaction is King, then Strength and after that Speed at least in my eyes."
wasn't expecting the "QUESTION THE HELL OUT OF YOURSELF"
I love it. hahaha
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Great vid keep up the good work what a humble and thoughtfully laid out series of points 👏 bravo
Great video. I am too busy to watch all your videos, but I do watch them when I have time. I found your perspective interesting since you have seen things from both the traditional perspective and now a more modern one, even training to fight. Your training and testing looked respectable but the derision for the 'fantasy' of traditional martial arts simply because you had not found much application for yours made me cautious of trusting your word. But, in this video, you clarified your viewpoint very well. In my opinion, one's ability to defuse and avoid fights altogether or properly test and then apply in real life situations real world ready techniques (or not even techniques but just what works then) is what matters, not the style or how old the martial art is. I've learned that being aware and/or observant is key. And, if/when confronted, firmly but kindly talking to the other person like they're another worthwhile human being goes a long way, a lot less mess than guns, knives, striking or wrestling etc.
Got to say, I really love it when you utilize research data from other fields of studies to explain what happens in the field of martial arts :)
Could you please make a video on taekwondo since most people call it a "fake" martial art. I personally have been training taekwondo for 6 years and i know that it is not useful in real life situation and i mostly just considrer a sport (sorry for my bad english)
Respects on ur deep n honest analysis! Keep it up!
I like it. I used your list at the end to check out our dojo. So, while not everybody has genuinely pressure tested our traditional Okinawan karate , I have to say that many have. In the ring against other schools/styles, on the door of clubs/pubs and also in law enforcement. All with acceptable outcomes (in general). No fantasy terms used in class. All grade levels have to be fought for. Sparring can be light or full contact. Full contact means mouthguagds and MMA gloves. Minimal rules. Standing and ground grappling as well as striking, throws etc. I think we stacked up pretty well. Thank you for your list which was a great way to check out the school. I will keep training.
"And until then..."
Me: "I wish you to own your journey"
Rokas: "I WISH YOU TO QUESTION THE HELL OUT OF YOURSELF"
Haha :D You caught me... I'm trying out a new catch phrase/slogan ;) What do you think?
I'm used to the old one, so the new one surprised me, too. Made me laugh. It's good.
or maybe the reason combat sports look better than traditional martial arts is so dana white makes shit loads of money from UFC. videos of combat sports losing to traditional styles are removed or blocked from the internet often but videos of combat sports humiliating traditional styles are shown to the world. I'm not saying that traditional martial arts losing is fake I'm saying there is an equal amount of wins/loses but we only get to see the loses. I've seen Wing Chun dominate a fight against an MMA fighter but you can be sure any video footage of that fight won't see the light of day thanks to the budget of the big industries like UFC making sure the general public only see what they want them to see
You're so fuking stupid lol
*flat earther joke*
you make an excellent point
Andy Hug's vs a Muay Thai guy video is one of the few popular ones but fanboys still trash talk him in that video because, for one he is wearing the typical black belt and white gi everyone hates.
@BIGFOOOOOT modern mma is just muay Thai and jiu-jitsu mixed together. no karate or kung fu or anything. there are some mma fighters that train in several traditional styles but usually its only mixed sport-based styles
I find it amazing how these video are basically epistemology as you are a former believer of the effectiveness of a martial art that was not and willing to question those beliefs.
I'm amazed that you are willing to expose your former self by showing videos of you demonstrating or sparring with an mma fighter.
You Sir, earned my respect for the courage of saying you were mistaken.
Thank you :)
Hi rokkas and thank you for sharing your journey on you tube i have been watching your videos for time. i was like you started out with aikido and find that aikido was missing something , so ended doing free Style kickboxing, jujitsu, kenpo, and mma but one thing which struggle which i found aikido was best was dealing with multiple assailants, after your jounery from aikido to mma 1) how easy would be able to incorporate your new mma skills to aikido and 2) appart from aikido because all other marital are mainly 1vs1 (bjj, mma, karate, kickboxing) is best for 5 againt 1 like you said it how matrial art is train aikido is train for multiple attackers, on personal this has help when being on a street fight when out number but one on one i had change style to kickboxing/mma please advise me on your view off how effective aikido vs mma/bjjj on multiple attacks 3-5 vs 1 but i can think of any fbma or real martail that under pressure testing can handle this??????
Wow amazing video m8, the only difference between traditional martial arts and new ones are effectiveness, most traditional ones use more weapons and we're developed around it since at that time they're used at Waring states, but in effectiveness I still would say for modern world the new ones are better.
But throwing them away is wrong rather we could just save it as a tradition to condition the body!( The example I'm taking is the karipayuthey or something is actually done to condition body and has more weapon based techniques than physical combat and to those who say it'll defeat easily other martial arts.... I don't wanna argue on that because my luv for boxing and a friend of mine has learned it and said it's more like a ritual to condition body and to give flexibility and to train ppl more on weapon based combat like sword and stick fighting.)
Thanks for not being biased man again I can't thank u enough because the last and few other video,the chats were on 🔥😂😂 😂
Thank you! 🙏
Martial Arts are based on the concept of the duel, and in that realm they work great. Outside of that place.....well.... you do the research.
depends on the martial art and its training habits though, some do work well in reality based situations.
Love your videos! -What are your thoughts on yoga? You showed footage in a previous video and it was mentioned briefly in one of your interviews. Please consider a video on the subject.
Really a well-made video, I share the same path in traditional martial arts, it would be interesting in the next video to see if and how the practice of your Aikido has been modified based on these rules. The big dilemma is "I can save my traditional style, I should abandon it or resign myself to practice it as an end in itself".
Traditional karatists are bad arses. Would never disrespect them. I like my teeth where they are. Thanks
or your knees, fingers, ribs. well anything pokable, punchable and grabable actually
Meh. I dont like the stance. Looks like bullshido to me. With he hands were they hold them they wont be as fast as a boxer at the very least. And that's just talking about upper body.
P12ooF when ur bones are broken and twisted you'd wonder why you said this
P12ooF there’s more than one stance in Karate. And theres more than one style in Karate
@@P12ooF you see,martial art are running around to look cool or end the fight in the least movement possible
Idk I wouldn't really call judo traditional martial art because it doesn't have a lot of strict traditions. There's some but it's nothing compared to other arts. Judo in my opinion is more of a combat sport because a lot of schools focus on competition and the Olympics.
That's true, especially in a country like China. I heard from reliable sources that in China, Kung Fu is not what some people make it out to be. True, China is famous for having Kung Fu. But actually the main martial art there is TKD. This is because TKD is an official Olympic sport, & the Chinese want to win as many gold medals as possible, so TKD heavily outweighs Kung Fu for participation. Besides, Kung Fu as well as something like Karate will never become an Olympic sport because there's too many styles & too diverse. There's no way Olympic judges would spend days on end judging who's best with multiple styles.
stan broniszewski karate will make its Olympic debut in 2020.
@@J.r.iscool that if Olympic isn't cancelled because of the virus.
@ but karate is in olympic what are you talking about
Rokas my friend thank you so much for this video 👍
It was very insightful and i saw a lot of meaning in it.
My martial arts background is predominantly with striking but im also a little familiar with grappling (20% only through a friend who did BJJ)
I had to stop due to shoulder/elbow injuries i sustained at a previous job.
However as i would have sparring sessions with my friend (his boxing was better than mine) he commented that overall my striking was 80% better than his.
Over time however i had to stop training as it was flaring up my old injuries. And unfortunately if im saddled with injuries i can't do my job so i had to give up training altogether.
Fast forward to now and im slowly regaining what i lost.
My current theory is that if you choose a traditional martial art i suggest you also pick a contact sport along with it.
Eg. Pick traditional Karate and boxing or wing chun and judo etc.
The idea is to give yourself a window of opportunity within what you are learning so that you'll be less prone to make fatal mistakes in actual situations.
Like being able to take a punch to the face or to lose your balance and find yourself slammed on the ground.
I also admit that because i was first inducted with Muay Thai i found point sparring of little to no use later when i started learning Karate.
I strongly believe that traditional martial arts schools can strive to the point where they can cope with what's out there.
But only if they allow themselves to have an open mind to the level of new challenges that are plaguing them now.
Please bear in mind that i do not disrespect people's views or martial arts background.
I'm just a guy who used to train really hard and now trying his best to get back in shape...not for fighting but for staying fit.
Rokas my friend i subscribed to your channel and hope to see more in the future.
Many blessings and excellent health to you always dear sir 👊👊
I don't do Martial Arts but i like how you view things in a non-biased way! Very insightful vid!
Thank you! 🙏 It means a lot to me when someone who is not practicing martial arts actively is interesting in my videos
@@MartialArtsJourney Yup! I've been following your videos because I like how you view things. You try to see both sides of the coin and not just follow things blindly. That takes a lot of courage to pull off! If I remember it right, You are like somewhere Aikido Master but that doesn't stop you from questioning things. The insights you share are significant in almost every aspect of life be it Martial Arts or not. More people need to see your videos!
I like documentaries about traditional Asian martial arts, but I've noticed that 8/10 videos have a comment about how MMA would defeat those practitioners. I agree, but why are the haters wasting their time watching the video and writing comments ?
daniel280456 it’s mainly because enough people still swear by it and get others to buy into it. It’s like watching someone go on a 300 dollar diet you personally know doesn’t work. It’s painful to watch
@@radchad992 that's an atrocious analogy
The MMA fights I see on youtube looks like kick boxing. I'm always perplexed why the traditional martial artist also end up boxing instead of using the cloud hands and inside/outside kicks they practice.
juan do no it’s really not. You spend years paying for lessons being told you’ll be able to defend yourself and it’s an absolute lie. If anything it’s not a big enough analogy. If they just said it’s for Health,social linking, etc. it’s completely different
First, let me say that this series does a good job of covering martial arts instruction in general. However, there are some issues that should be discussed.
Let’s start with the likely opponent in a physical attack that most martial arts schools train people to fight against. The likelihood that an attacker has any real formal training or has any significant MA practice is remote. An attacker is rarely going to be an expert in some self defense or sport martial arts system. So at least on the novice level, the attacker being trained against is going to typically be big and strong but do typically stereotypical things (because untrained fighters operate in this fashion). I’m confident of this from my own research.
My sparring partner from a few years back was a musician that played in local bars, who witnessed over 100 bar fights. In addition, our school had a number of students who in their youth had been in a few street fights (including the head instructor), not to mention that the national head instructor for the system was a Marine boxing champion as well as a noted combat veteran. That was quite a collection of data sources for what might happen in ordinary physical assaults.
Our school taught traditional Okinawan karate, but borrowed liberally from other schools, particularly in grappling, inviting instructors from other schools and styles to put on seminars.
Having said this, I’ve seen some questionable or unrealistic instruction on RUclips. For example, I’m interested in cane self defense (I’m 77). The most idiotic technique shown is some complicated defense using a cane against, of all things, a punch! Few attackers would be stupid enough to do this. And a simple counterattack that even a rank beginner could do would end the attack.
You do need to practice at the beginning with some set drills. Having said that, the attacks have to be with “full force” and realistic. Some of the author’s videos seem to involve techniques used on questionable attacks.
Anyway, best of luck for the series. Unfortunately there are troll posts here that should be ignored.
Hey really been enjoying your channel!
So, my first martial art was Kenjutsu and also Muay Thai. Loved both! I then started to incorporate strength and condition and BJJ into my workouts. Really loved BJJ. Unfortunately, I got into a big accident and pretty much almost broke my neck. I have an artificial disk and everything neck down is weak. I recovered to about 70-80%, but sparring and rolling is out of the question for now, unless I want more surgeries in my neck (i have like 10 degenerated disks throughout my body because I am a bit reckless and tend to move explosively).
I missed martial arts so I been taking some Okinawan Karate and some Taekwondo for just forms and exercise. And you know what? My flexibility, accuracy, core strength and strike precision and control went waaaaaaaayyy up. There is always something to take from traditional martial arts and apply it. For example, I never used side kicks or wide stance lateral movements. I only stood super traditional, back leg heavy thai stance. I wont be going back to being able to train MMA maybe ever due to my condition, but this gave me a whole new respect toward traditional martial arts. Also, alot of karate senseis I know are also black belts in Judo and BJJ as well. Their number one love is Karate though!
WOw! Mind Blown. This video made so many puzzle pieces fall into place
9:26 - Is it just me or are those two black belts very stiff in sparring?
They are from a mcdojo I've seen this clip before
traditional martial arts were initially designed for hand to hand combat with weapons. the reason they're not as applicable in things like MMA is because the styles used here are focused around bare hand fighting.
Chinese martial arts which tbh is what I'm mostly referring to, because it's my area. I'm a preying mantis student (northern style, 5 star)were all designed to kill with weapons. The unarmed styles were more of a formality, and were never used in a serious capacity. They're fighting styles from medieval china, it's like comparing a broadsword to a 9mm. Completely different fighting styles that are separated by hundreds of years.
That being said, the weapons forms are still just as applicable today. if we suddenly enter some kind of post apocalyptic scenario, and guns weren't wide spread, these fighting styles would again prove to be on top. A bunch of hyper-strong china men with Guandao, no thank you. You wouldn't stand a chance VS. a Guandao wielder bare handed, doesn't matter how many styles you knew, he has the reach and the speed. I mean this weapon was for defending against horse backed attackers initially, sort of a like a cross between a sword and spear, love them so much.
EDIT: or was the Guandao for using on horse back originally, given it's length and the name "horse sword" it could have just have easily be used from the back of a horse. I always imagined t being used to take the legs on a horse though, much like how spears and pikes and such could be used in the west against cavalry .
Post-apocalyptic scenario. You mean like Fist of North Star ? One of my favorites.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y ha ha, yeah. it's a great film. I've not seen the series though.
there was a good game came out on ps4 a little while back as well.
Thank you for making this video. It is very enlightening insight on the difference between Modern, Traditional, and fantasy based martial arts.
Thank you for this much needed announcement.
I like what the term FBMA covers, but I think FBMA makes it sound very derogatory, which I think will make more people reject the term as an "attack" on what they are doing. I absolutely agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but I think a different name is needed if it is to catch on and become a generally used term. Maybe Show-based martial arts? In that their main advantage as I see it, is the fact that they look really cool - I personally did Taekwondo for a long time and while we did train some actual self defence (which btw had nothing to do with tkd, they just did it in the club), I primarily just thought that kicking stuff in fancy ways was fun. Kinda like someone might enjoy dancing or ice skating or any other hobby, which is fun, but doesn't really apply in self defense situations.
Go to china, try some of their traditional kung fu, most dabble on the border of reality and fantasy, and a few i.e. Tai Chi go into straight out hookus pokus magical Qi/Chi
Adding the word fantasy may seem like an attack to a closed minded fool. But it lays out exactly what it is.
Though adding another category to show based would be great for Wushu or the current modern Taekwondo with their poomsae + music lmao
I agree that the term fantasy unnecessarily excites resistance. It's a fair term, but it gets in the way of rational discussion because it makes people angry. A more neutral term would be untested. Art such as Aikido are not tested in sparring or similar ways which leads to the problem that Rokas talks about
@@RandyWinn42 when you bring chi into the discussion there was never a rational discussion in the first place.
@@vincentlee7359 Performance-based?
I just want to know if the techniques I learn in Ninjutsu will work on a real mean and tough 10 year old .... for reasons.
great analisis, and adding starlight mocking you makes it even better
Interesting video as always. The clip from around 3:31, where is it from?
It's from a video called: "Russian Martial Art Systema"
@@MartialArtsJourney thank you for the quick reply! It's a pleasure following your journey.
I had a few street fights outside school and later on the streets when I left school and it was simple ,blow to the face for the stun the grab their hair pull down kick to the face numerous times and then throw them to one side straddle then hard punches to the face it usually worked but not everytime,1980,s north of Ireland it could get vicious
Wow. You sound like a very sociable person. Bravo.
@@migueldeclercq3883 I am very sociable , I am talking about having to defend yourself when you are being attacked and I had to learn that type of fighting the hard way what should I have done just stood there and got badly hurt and I lost some of these fights , martial arts are totally different from street fighting and street fighting is very similar to MMA.
@@danny100ization Sure, but your description of how to deal with a violent person sounds more like a recipe to kill someone. I find that most fights in life can be avoided by simply running away. I don't see why I should use my fists instead of my feet.
I owe an apology to tai chi master and everyone who work hard martial arts. Hope I could be forgiven.
Hi, I've just watched your movie and despite the main subject, wich I totally agree by the way, I got myself in a Jyu Kumite Karate after watching. This kind of practice is kind a freestyle sparring, despite the competitive sportive karate shiai kumite. Somehow, I got myself thinking about put myself to test during that sparring session. The fear of being knocked out during the fighting show me how irelevant and empty is trying to prove through words if some martial arts is functional ou better than others. In the end, I have to be honest with myself the reason why I'm training and not just convincing the others about what I want them to think. Keep up the good work!!!
Hey I've only just come across your channel and this is the 4th video I've watched in a row, I just wanted to say that your open-mindedness and also your honesty about your own journey is extremely refreshing. It seems like a very rare thing, especially when dealing with this subject matter and to be fair I'm talking about both sides of the argument there lol.
New sub, keep up the great content 👍👊
Thank you! It's really awesome for me to read this
I am a practitioner of Chinese Kenpo, a traditional martial art, and in my specific club we do regular sparring, as well as sparing multiple attackers and competitive point-based sparring when competitions are coming up. And while modern martial artists and practitioners of MMA/kickboxing etc. may say it’s an inefficient martial art, have used a variety of self defence techniques that I have been taught in street fights, but I do sometimes question certain techniques that I’m taught since we don’t really practice the specific scenarios in sparring.
What you call “fantasy based martial arts” I would define as “spiritual martial arts”. I agree that they should be clearly identified and distinguished from combat martial arts to avoid misunderstandings and frustration of prospective students. But calling them fantasy arts would also be misleading. In many cases spiritual arts were developed as an evolution of combat arts, as a result of spiritual enlightenment of their creators. Their purpose is different than combat arts, but it doesn’t make them less important in our lives. Many people chose to pursue spiritual development as their life-time goals, not combat development, and spiritual arts offer a healthy alternative to traditional religions. Aikido, for example, in its latest form, is a purely spiritual art, based on a very specific Japanese religion. And it should be presented that way by its instructors. But just because spiritual arts chose to focus on spiritual aspects of out existence, calling them fantasies comes across as arrogant and disrespectful IMO. In the long term, they might prove to be more real and important for humanity than combat arts.
During the Meiji Restoration in Japan, starting in 1868, brutal combat arts were purposefully shifted and adapted into systems that would train the mind, body, and spirit and/or allow for safe competitions. Judo, for example, was derived from Jujutsu by removing the most brutal techniques, and it's founder believed that it was a method to achieve peace and universal harmony. The story is the same with Aikido, which derived from Aiki-jujutsu, and went down the same path. Similarly, Kenjutsu became Kendo. I find your comment, "In the long term, they (spiritual arts) might prove to be more real and important for humanity than combat arts," very interesting because I see great personal value from my Aikido: health, community, the fascinating mental/spiritual aspects, and very low risk of injury to the brain.
I also don't fall into the Dunning-Kruger effect camp, because I realize that I would be absolutely decimated by someone trained in combat arts, MMA, boxing, BJJ, etc. At the same time, anyone who trains those combat arts will find very little use for them in our modern society. It's simply much much smarter to deescalate, disengage, or run away than to engage in a fight that will leave you vulnerable to criminal and civil legal action, disease through bodily fluid exposure, the very dangerous unknowns of street fighting, etc. It's rare to never really have a choice of leaving or avoiding a potential fight, and for as poor as Aikido would do in an MMA ring it is really good for evading and escaping. I will never be in the special forces, and I will never likely be attacked by someone who has the discipline to train in the combat arts, so really there's no personal value in training combat arts other than dabbling in them to round out my skill set and attitude. Plus, I can train Aikido until I'm 80 years old, and the skills of folks who really get good at it in their old age is something beyond words that I don't see anywhere else. To me, what I've just explained makes just as much sense as the very valid reasons folks give as to why Aikido has no place in an MMA ring. Would love for Martial Arts Journey to do a video on the Dunning-Kruger effect for folks who train MMA and combat arts and who believe that they would achieve a better outcome in standing their ground in a street fight rather than avoiding, deescalating, and running away.
Aikido is my base as a martial art and I've started practicing because I wanted self-defense. And for a while, the boost in self-confidence was enough to actually got me through some situations - never fighting ones, though. More recently, I've trained a bit more of Aikido not as a fighting art but as a way to express physically the promise of nonviolence. But that being said, although very beautiful to see, if I can't actually choose to be nonviolent - because choosing to be violent with such training would be a poor choice - then I don't see a point in training Aikido again. Unless, of course, I use it as a means to exercise and connect with people. But not to fight. Your videos have been a huge assistance for me to get to this point in my reflections. Thank you very much!
This is my Dad's philosophy. He always derided sports martial arts and he's always encouraged me to train in styles more suited for self-defense. He was a 1st dan in an Aiki-Jujitsu dojo when he used to work in Japan and told me his training was brutal and practical. No flowing and graceful movements, just pure and utter pain when it comes to dealing punishment to an opponent. His training helped me out because my hybrid mix of Kyokushin, Aiki-Jujitsu and Kickboxing is a great help for me in fending off attackers.
What about martial arts that literally used in wars?
There is no solid historic evidence of that. It is used in ancient military, but probably only cardio and discipline training. The only exception is sword fighting and archery, but some dont count that as martial arts. Than again, they do count in Kendo which is basically sword fighting but for safety reasons the katana is replaced by the shinai.
@@jpsholland - Like olympic fencing, kendo is more of a sport kind of martial arts and is based on a point system, but then again a lot of traditional martial arts came from actual combat techiques used on the real world. Jujutsu are used by unarmed Samurai and town guards to defend themselve or subdue armed attackers. Later it was unified and codified into Judo and Kenpo. From Judo sprung Aikido, sport Judo and Bjj and so forth.
It's like a game of telephone. A lot of arts evolve too much that some are so far away from it's basic roots, though some of them still retain a lot of the same technique, it's actual use or purpose became lost to most modern practioner.
You actually have to use what you've been taught in actual sparing session if you want to see results. I think akido can work, you just need to spar more and see what works under real pressure
Are you going to keep trying to perfect your techniques through sparing?
VIII Vendetta the thing is sparring in Akido will nullify everything about it. It sucks at handling pressure. You’d quickly see akido practitioners forget everything about akido under pressure.
You’d have to change akido into something completely different in order to spar (which is probably for the best).
You can't wait fore them you have to set them up and get creative.
@@druzo5198 not true if you were having a strong base of effective martial art. Biggest problem with aikidoka, in my own experience is unable to judge timing, scared of punches n unable to threat the oponent with superior striking..
In my dojo many years ago, those that can use it, are those with many2 years of other martial art training.
Enemy had to fear your striking, until they were focuses heavily into your strike n open up for your technique to works.
The same way with taekwondo, if they completely disregard your punch, the fancy kick wont work.
My fancy kungfu n taekwondo works because they dont expect me to kick in such a way. I had to lead them to believe i was primarily a boxer. Let them focuses on my punch.
You can see how wonderboy kick has become less n less effective over time.. cus people know it n prepare for it. So now he had to developed more superior punch. Let them felt threaten by the punch. Until the forget their is those fancy kick
Thats why, in my opinion.. aikido should be the martial art to train, after one were sufficient enough in striking n grapling martial art.. at least a few years in karate/judo/boxing/etc.. and make aikido as a compliment, a martial art use for much2 weaker oponent without harming them.
Aikido was the most gentle form of martial art. It had its own function. But it cant be the first, but rather the last.
Hi Rokas! I like your videos and the spirit you have - it's a great martial approach to test the things you are told and the shortest way to real self :). Also, I have mentioned you have practiced Aikido for 13 years and felt it doesn't work with MMA fighter. It’s not the art but the man who practices (same in each field in life).
I would like to add some points to your 13 attributes of so-called fantasy Based Martial Arts due to some experience in this field (5 years of hand-to-hand fighting, 20+ years in Aikido Yoshinkan with Sandan Level) to give a reflection and maybe another point of view to people that feel that “Aikido is not working :-)”.
1) lack of sparring and pressure testing
The form is needed to shape up the body and the spirit (same in school, in learning music, engineering, or everything else). When the form is OK it comes the time for pressure testing with endless hard training to get speed and power - after the practitioner could and should add sparrings. Aikido has sparrings but it’s not taught at school: it’s not obligatory, it’s up to you to craft your way when you finish school (at least after Shodan level)
2) sparring and pressure testing under very specific, limited set of rules, with very low levels of resistance or pressure
In Aikido at a higher level, I have very intense pressure during seminars and regular training. If not, the person stops and does not progress. Again it’s not the art but the person who practices.
3) Heavy reliance on a cooperative partner
For the beginning it’s ok, after 2 dan you expect heavy pressure from your opponent
4) Strong investment in constant repetition of choreographed movements
To create a strong form and spirit you need to invest a lot in physical training. And repeat the things you do not believe to work until they become your nature. You are in love with them, then you hate them, then you become friends and apply when needed.
5) The use of term self defense without the ability to define what are the essential aspects of self defense such as detection, avoidance and deterrence
In Aikido Yoshinkan we have the principles of Ma-ai, Irimi (Ichi techniques) and Ura (2nd techniques) which educate to the things related above
6) Instead heavy reliance on what if scenarios and endless, not pressure tested response techniques
For beginners it’s fine, for elder people - no (not the art but the person)
7) The claim that the martial art would beat a striker or grappler without ever willing to actually prove it
Absolutely agree. Unless it's been proved on striker or grappler no one should claim it works (same as everywhere)
8) Reliance on various excuses and justifications why this martial art is not pressure tested
There is a way to study and the way to apply, one helps another to become effective but should not be messed up
9) Lack of evidences of the effectiveness of the martial art on any level, including recorded footage of it's success in fighting of self-defense scenario
In Aikido there lot’s of RUclips searches like Aikido in the street.
10) The claim that martial art is designed to work against untrained attackers without ever pressure testing it against untrained opponents , even with safety measures such as full contact armor
Well, it’s useless to practice like that all the time, sometimes it’s needed to put protection on and find more weak points to work on
11) Mystification of certain aspects of the martial art, using such terms as Ki, Chi or Prana
Well, Eastern people tend to explain things like that, Western people prefer to rely on material and physical explanations. It’s just a learning method nobody should obsessd with, for sure
12) Refusal to test the martial art against martial artists of other schools or styles
Yes, it’s true, and many soft styles practitioners should fix it. Sometimes boxers and wrestlers come to our Dojo, we have a great pleasure to train and test together.
13) Claims that there are secrets or special techniques known only to the school
It’s more for marketing nowadays, you can watch all the secret techniques on the internet
So, thanks to Rokas for putting this theme on the table, for those who practice soft styles it’s a good practice to add more pressure testing and training with other styles. If it's not working - it’s the man, not the art
I’m glad you made this video because now it hopefully helps gives people a better insight on traditional martial arts, mixed martial arts and fantasy based martial arts.
One think I’d like to add is people also need to understand that even arts (whether traditional or not ) that have pressure testing and have been shown to be effective can and do have their fair share of flaws as well. BJJ is a prime example of this. In a street fight situation where you don’t know if there’s going to be multiple attackers or people who are armed or not, knowing BJJ may not be as helpful as knowing boxing. However this doesn’t mean people shouldn’t learn BJJ for it’s a great style that has useful aspects to it.
The point being is that even the arts whether tma or not that have been shown to be effective or have effective implications have their flaws and as an individual it’s important to understand the flaws of the art or arts you practice and to help cover your weaknesses by training in other styles.
To simply put it as chuck liddell once said the best martial arts is the combination of all of them.
It's great, that you came to this conclusion because before this video you mutated into just another: "train mma, all tma are bulls**t." Guy.
Now it seems, that you have your mind and eyes open again.
I train Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu, 4 Years now, trained Chin Woo Kung Fu as a Kid and as a Teenager one year of Krav Maga.
We now train our stuff in the traditional movesets and convert them, after the basics of timing, distance and angle and some specific Bujinkan based things are set, into "fighting patterns".
Means we try to apply the technique while the oponents resist.
Problem with this is: when your oponent knows whats gonna happen he counters it intentional.
So we do a short "sparring" part in the end, where we are staying in a circle and attack the Person in the middle one by one, with different attaks, keeping the stress up to force the defender to act proper.
In Bujinkan there is a saying:
"You don't choose the action which will happen, your oponent chooses, you just apply what you learned."
Agreed! There are clearly fake and goofy videos on the Internet that claim to be martial artist and then there’s martial arts that get labeled as fake. This reminds me of years of training when someone knows what you’re going to do and they have an ego problem and they resist. Well of course your technique is not going to work because the other person has an ego and just like the Three Stooges one goes to poke the other in the eyes and the other one puts their hand up by their nose to block it.They know what’s coming (i’m being facetious)but that’s also how these people think an attacker thinks. If someone should attack you in a real situation they’re not thinking I’m gonna punch this guy in the face but at the same time I’m going to be ready in case he does 12,000 different techniques in the martial arts.....No, he’s all hopped up and focused on harming you!! That’s why martial arts works by people who train for years with the knowledge that the mat is for learning and the street is for real! Someone who’s really fast and experienced can end a fight very quickly with out a lot of fancy technique or rolling around on the ground!
Jeff Walters Interesting way to look at it
Heyoo, bujinkan blackbelt here. Keep up the good work and don't forget to train in modern styles as well :)
the thing is.. most traditional martial arts, at its core has been "pressure" tested. Most of these arts were tested in the battlefield hundreds of years ago if not more. Aikido and like many other "FBMA" are not meant for sparring.. they are meant to take down ur opponent in the streets as fast as possible when given the opportunity. There are how ever traditional martial arts that are tweaked towards sport.. most silat, karate, Judo and TKD are some of the arts's which modern variations and mainly focused on scoring points.
anyways my point is. most traditional martial arts were never made for sparing. they were made for killing and warfare where the ultimate goal is to kill ur opponent ASAP and move on to the next. Aikido if you dig a lil bit into its history , has its roots and many older styles of combat. which were battle tested. Aikido it self how ever is fairly new and young. but i still hold my point that aikido is not meant for sparring. if you are keen on sparring , then try martial arts that has been tweaked and evolved to accommodate sparring/fighting in the ring etc.
At no point in their history where any of the arts you listed made to be used on the battlefield. At no point in the entire history of humanity has a person been killed by Akido. At no point has Akido been tested in the battle field, stop making up bullshit to justify the fact that your dad got ripped off by a dojo and signed your dumbass up for some worthless bullshit. You wasted that time of your life, you got scammed, it happens, grow up like this guy and move on. Akido is not new or young, it has a long history, unfortunately it is also completely useless. No art is made for sparring, the martial artist spar to make sure they are not practicing bullshit, because if it does not work in an uncontrolled environment.... its probably Akido
Knowing a few japanese jujutsu throws or aikido wristlocks or armlocks greatly impeoves your chances against untrained fighter or a random joe on the street, because anything is better than nothing..
This general philosophy actually applies much more broadly. I’ve seen many of the things on your FBMA list in areas as diverse as art schools (as in styles of teaching) or music or even math education (my field). Pressure testing can mean anything where you must demonstrate the effectiveness of your craft. Teaching books that claim certain practices are best without hard research comparing them to other methods in real classrooms. I’m currently reading parenting books about how to get your baby to sleep and encountering the same thing. Claims about how to deal with specific situations that feel like contrived fantasies with no reference to the real world. Such a great video!
Hello there!
The art of fighting without fighting!
Run or walk away from a fight.
Om Mani Pad Me Hum!!
Amen and Allah knows Yahweh!
ETN...
I hate people that only look at Martial Art only for the "Martial" part but not for the "Art"
I've been watching a lot of your videos lately because I started getting worried about my Martial Arts because it's traditional. After watching a lot of your videos I realize that my Kung Fu is taught in a way to be practical rather than fantasy. I'm also pretty sure my Shifu has taken notes from the street fights he has participated in when he was younger and realizes the limits of traditional practice so he has us spar hard and teaches us techniques that I would see in Sanshou (Chinese Kickboxing). Your videos have helped me ease my worries about being a black belt in this martial arts. The only thing missing is ground combat we are only taught takedowns.
You gotta spar, bro. YOU got to.