Does BJJ Work in the Street • Martial Arts Journey
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- BJJ is a brilliant combat sport, yet often times the question is raised whether it works on the street. I sought out to find the answer while consulting with major BJJ and self defense experts, including Matt Thornton, Bruno Orozco and Paul Sharp. What answer I found in asking if BJJ works in the street, you will find in this video.
Sources quoted in the video:
Bruno Orozco - • Aikido Exposed | Lack ...
Matt Thornton - • Questioning Your Marti...
Paul Sharp - • Combat Sports vs Self ...
Second interview with Bruno Orozco - • Truth About Self Defen...
I personally fell in love with BJJ very quickly. I can easily see why the hype exists up to this day, of people loving it so much, that quite a few announce it as the best martial art in the world. After all, Royce Gracie won the first UFC championship mainly relying on his Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and BJJ is a key component in UFC and MMA up to this day. I personally experienced as well, how powerful BJJ is when rolling with a more experienced practitioner. Martial artists who trained without pressure testing and sparring, even for years, can only compare their techniques mainly on a theoretical level, in a never ending debate. In BJJ, if you are not as good as your rolling partner - you will see that as bright as day very quickly, by being submitted multiple times. The effectiveness of its techniques and training methods are undeniable in its own realm. Yet the question is, is it as good for self defense as it is in combat sports?
Having personally practiced one of the least effective martial arts for more than a decade without questioning it enough, believing that it is effective for self defense, when I woke up to the truth, I decided I will not want to fall into the same hole twice, and that before I devote myself to another practice, I will first thoroughly question it. And what better way is to do that, than to find answer by relying on the best experts of their fields.
Hi, my name is Rokas and in this Martial Arts Journey video, I will share what I discovered with the help of self defense and BJJ experts on whether BJJ works in the street.
The question first came to me when I started realizing that martial arts and self defense are two separate worlds. I still had a lurking question on where combat sports are found in between this scale, yet first of all I decided to find the gap between the former two. To find this answer, I interviewed Bruno Orozco, a self defense expert with years of experience based in Mexico, who also has foundation in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. During our talk Jiu Jitsu naturally came into our conversation. Bruno said: “A lot of brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners say it’s the best martial art in the world. Let’s say it’s the best martial art in the world. Well, self defense and the best martial art is not the same. For example, if I grab a knife and I know how to use it and I attack a brazilian jiu jitsu guy, I kill him.”.
To me that sounded like a fair point. The Brazilian Jiu Jitsu that I’ve been exposed to did not teach knife defense. Personally, during my BJJ training I even haven’t been introduced to defending against strikes. At that moment, having a desire to become adapt in self defense, BJJ was my first pick. The talk with Bruno made me question my decision. Yet relying only on one source for information will rarely reveal the whole truth about a subject. Luckily, my next talk was with a martial arts and BJJ legend Matt Thornton. For those who do not know Matt, he is one of the first american born BJJ practitioners to receive a black belt in this practice.
When I eventually asked the question of whether BJJ is enough for self defense, Matt replied: “The street vs sports debate is something I consider to be a fallacy. The same delivery system transcend over. It’s the same material and the same training method. [If someone focuses on competition] they are always working on jiu jitsu vs jiu jitsu. Let’s just say for the sake of argument, if while they are doing that, they never put the strikes in and all of a sudden they wind up in a fight and they might potentially put their body and their head in a position where they can take punches because they’re thinking more about tournament situation as opposed to an MMA situation. Having said all that, because of what we do in SBG is we focus more on the fundamentals, what we teach tends to transcend these different environments, because there’s very little change that has to be made.”
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Sources quoted in the video:
Bruno Orozco - ruclips.net/video/4W2VGMbKx9E/видео.html
Matt Thornton - ruclips.net/video/MPfDhzZ6_gs/видео.html
Paul Sharp - ruclips.net/video/9nDV-OGLTpA/видео.html
Second interview with Bruno Orozco - ruclips.net/video/rlnkBrEGOSs/видео.html
Love your videos and your journey. You are going about this in the best way. A lot of the stuff they said and your take is very similar to my feelings on it.
Bjj is a good place to start when it comes to combat effectiveness. If you can find a school that stresses the street combat self defense mindset and dealing with multiple attackers that would be great.
Have you started looking into a striking martial art yet? How about wrestling? It is a plus when it comes to take down defense and ground work. I am excited to see your next steps.
BJJ has its pros and cons like every Art. Ex: Pro-you can learn to move your body on the ground which can help in the streets. Con- In this day in time fights are not 1 on 1. Therefore BJJ does not work well with multiple attackers. BJJ is a good skill to have, along with other Arts. Also don't give up on Akido, I seen your videos (I'm a fan) , but in the Art of Akido there are some huge gaps in the way it's being taught today. Think of Akido as a pie, I only seen 25% of what truly makes the art. There is 75% of the art that is not being passed down which leaves the art useless. Overall, BJJ locks (Arm, shoulder, legs etc..) are the same/ similar to Akido in my opinion. One is standing and the other is on the ground. Both are valuable
I agree with John112John. I don’t think aikido failed you, I think your training was incomplete.
I learned “hard style” aikido in the 70’s and early 80’s which included kicks, strikes, and ground control.
One of our instructors was an undercover cop who used it in the streets.
Incorporate both.
Adding a few things to bjj and only training them once doesn't seem smart, look at what a guy like kahbib has done to all the bjj black belts. I think, wrestling + muythai with bjj added is a better recipe for the streets, blast doubles, singles, sprawls clinch work, elbows. Are all more aplicable than a gogoplata or Armbar. My 2 c. Nothing beats sprawling thousands of times and grinding on a mat in a good old school wrestling practice.
You HAVE to look up Firas Ahabi the man is a genius.
I have a problem with martials arts teaching knife defense. It gives people a false sense of confidence. If you see a knife coming your way, you better run or do whatever the hell you can to keep them out of stabbing/slicing range. If they do get close, there is no best thing to do. They are probably going to be stabbing or slicing like a maniac, and you're probably going to get injured before you even have a chance to react. If I see a knife, it's either time to run or grab my own weapon(preferably something with more range).
i train systema and for a long time my instructor told us he did knife practice only as a game to warm up because if you get attacked by a knife, it's either someone who want something for you and not to kill you, or someone who want to kill you and wont show you the knife before he stabs you, thus knife defense is pointless. though he went back on it with the occurrences of terrorist knife attacks here in france, and now he do drill knife defenses from time to time, but he always tell us to do the first move as if both scared to death and shocked by the surprise, since we will be when we have to pull out such techniques.
Must be nice not to have dependents you must protect. Hiw does that self defense against a bear go again? Make sure you run faster then your friend?
even if the relative that's with you is not in shape he has a better chance trying to run away than counting on your knife disarm skills...
Ari Bargolani Well I didn't think about that, but in any case it's probably best to try to carry around a can of pepper spray in public.
Even a master of Kali escrima said " The most safe thing to do is to run... If The situation allow you to do it"
The real question is does BJJ work in the sheets?
no it doesn't. I tap out every time
@Garry Mcgrath r/woosh
if your partner is into it too, everything works go wild
@Garry Mcgrath it's a tough call. I do aikido and judo. It's a mind thing because first of all I will not let anyone touch me using aikido. And if they somehow get close to me ... its lights out with Judo. It's like P&J both goes well together
Garry Mcgrath It's a joke, dumbass.
As someone once told me:
"If you never walk into a bar,
I personally assure you that you
will never end up in a bar room brawl."
Let logic dictate your actions.
Blessings. Be well, be Whole.
Hans Hamon But you want to walk into a bar. You don’t want to just not have fun your whole life because you might get into sticky situations. It’s gonna happen.
@@bacon8353
There is truth, in your words, friend.
Absolutely, I agree; we, the protectors,
or sheepdogs of society, have to make
our presence known, and sometimes felt,
to those who may bring harm to others, for
the sake of our own society, and the people
who will inherit the future from us.
Furthermore, we have to live; one cannot dwell
long, in the shadows; if we walk in the light, we
shed our irrational fears, and instead, we foster
and create positive solutions to problems we find
ourselves facing daily. Still, there is wisdom, in all
Ways. I see their connection. Be well, and be Whole.
Hans Hamon super anime
@@Kessekom facts
Don’t go to stupid places, with stupid people, at stupid times. When you put all three of those together something is bound to happen.
I thought I was fighting one guy. The moment I took him down with a double leg take down, a second guy landed a hook on my temple
Spital Helles 😂😂😂😂
@@playboid7788 funny I know, but you now learned through my mistake. you're welcome
@Modern Western your response is naive. If I'm fighting it's not for honor it's for survival.
@Modern Western jump a friend/family member/stranger minding his own business and yes it's on. An animal attacking without provocation gets put down.
If it's a duel that is different.
Previous comment said fight not duel.
That's the streets....
There is nobody in the world who can stop himself from getting stabbed reliably. Especially not with his bare hands. Stabbing somebody is incredibly easy and fast. You can literally gut somebody before they even realize you have ill intent and are holding a weapon.
If somebody threatens you with a knife, run. The fact that they show you the knife means they don't feel like stabbing you, but no reason to take risks.
If you ever get into a situation where you are forced to fight somebody armed with a knife, make sure you have a weapon as well. A bar stool, a bottle, a stick, your jacket, your T-shirt, anything. Your top priority is getting out alive. Disarming criminals is not your job.
If anybody tries to tell you they are knife defense experts: grab a permanent marker, hold it like a knife and use them as a canvas until they learn they aren't.
Semper Ludens thats the problem. Lots of motherfuckers took a few drills with a compliant opponent, and think they can disarm anyone, just like steven seagal in his movies
As my sensei says, there's two types of knife users, those who just want to intimidate and not stab, and those who do. Most of the time, those who show or wave a knife at you, tend not to want use it (I know this from personal life experience, in cash and transit). Those that keep if hidden out of site, tend to want to use it. Before you realise they have a knife, you're bleeding. (Note: I did say most and not all types of user)
@PixelProfessor Exactly. Same in the animal kingdom. Dogs that bark don't bite.
Self defense doesn't help you in either case though. Maybe you could disarm somebody who threatens you with a knife, but it's completely unnecessary risk. He won't use it. He just wants your money or wants you to run away. And good luck using self defense routines when you are caught off guard by a blade slipping in and out of your gut a couple of times.
Great advice and very true. Don't listen to Jimbo here, you'll end up bloodied haha
JimboParadox I understand what you are trying to say and I agree. But if we are talking about skill it becomes a different discussion. Stabbing somebody is not easy in the same way that punching or kicking somebody is not easy. I have experience in pugilism and wrestling but it would never be my plan to use those when confronted with somebody with a knife, even if that guy looks like a complete amateur. An awkward wrist movement could easily do permanent harm to me. Maybe calling stabbing somebody easy was the wrong way to put it. What I meant was it's easier than people give it credit for. Most guns are not that easy to use either by the way.
Back in the 60's I watched an episode of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. One of the guests that night was a highly ranked Aikido practitioner. I don’t recall who it was. Johnny asked the Aikidoka who would win if there was a match between the Aikidoka and Mohammed Ali who was at his height. The Aikidoka brightened and quickly said, "I would." Carson blinked his eyes in surprise. "How can you say that?" The Aikidoka said, "I wouldn’t show up for the fight." That spoke volumes to me then as it does now.
yes, but his answer is in some way correct, not to fight is the only way to truly win.
i'll clarify , if me and you fight, and you win, i get a fat lip, but you get an infecction in your knuckles when hits my tooth, you end up in hospital, and loose your hand (this has happened before, did you win. Or with one punch, or an over zealous choke, i die, did you win when you get sent to prison for 10 years
Which is why is posted this. Not fighting is winning.
Glen Bledsoe , sorry , miss understood your comment, bearing in mind this has kinda turned into the 'i hate aikido', or 'aikido a waste of 10years' channel, there is so much negative comments towards aikido, something i strongly disagree with.
Yeah, lets start a new channel "We all hate aikido" and post memes were we all make fun of aikido. ;-)
Or better still "We alll love BJJ" and we can post photos of cauliflower ears ;-)
BJJ started as a self defense martial art. Royce Gracie proved its effectiveness in the beginning of UFC. When I started BJJ there was what is called the Gracie Curriculum. This focused on blocking and countering with Judo style hip tosses, Take downs, keeping distance, reading your potential attacker and obviously chokes and arm bars to disable your opponent. This was all about street fighting. However, what you see now is what I hear some people call sport BJJ. Which isn’t the same in my humble opinion. It’s purpose is to win a fight. It’s aggressive style vs defensive style. I’m surprised none of the guys you talked to brought this up. The Gracie Curriculum was a linear process that was repeated over and over. There was no de la heva or spider guards. Just regular guard. Unfortunately I can’t find any where around me that still teaches this type of BJJ. What you have now is very effective but I wouldn’t call it self defense. It’s been transformed for the Octagon.
Found this: www.scribd.com/document/48125450/Gracie-Jiu-Jitsu-Combative-Handbook
I am lucky enough to train in the original Gracie self defense system here in Houston. Cantus Brazilian Jiu Jitsu stays dedicated to Master Helios original system. We get our belts from the Valente brothers out of Miami.
UFC was rigged In his favor..it’s obvious. The Gracie’s were the ones in charge of the whole thing.
@@kangtheconqueror8359 that is the same thing that i was thinking, the gracies didnt prove the effectiveness
I wish it was transformed for the octagon. But it's not itstransfirmed for bjj competition ibjff
BJJ started in Japan with judo and jujitsu which was created by samurai. The Gracie family wouldn't be alive if they always went to the ground in street fights in Brazil. Stop believing all the lies told by the Gracie family. About 95% of fights end standing up.
In my opinion ground fighting in the dark street, when the attacker may have an accomplice is just stupid.
Sure is. BJJ schools create thugs who provoke fights to show off. if you checkout the atmosphere of a BJJ store front school you will find it is usually kind of thuggish. Wannabe street criminals are learning stuff to do to victims. I believe most BBJ guys area scum bags.
Sure but sometimes you just can not chose whether you would like to get in ground fighting or not. Assaulter may just rush and topple you down so you need to deal whit it
@@finnthunder6542 this. Bjj also teaches you clenching, mount and escapes from the ground. It doesn't make sense to not learn it against multiple attackers because there's a higher chance you'll be on the ground.
Just get the quick takedown and run!
@@davidp.7620 I prefer learning bit of everything. Punches and kicks for case of upright fighting. Takedowns may be tricky in real self defense situation and require soften by strikes. Ground fighting for case of ending in ground fighting, whether you get there willingly or not. That why I like Ju-Jutsu
The most important thing that I learned from martial arts is how to NOT get in a fight. I have been training martial arts (boxing, wrestling, judo, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Muay Thai, Krav Maga, etc.) for over 20 years and I have never once gotten into a fight. Although there were many situations where I could have, I was able to deescalate the situation or remove myself from the situation.
mysticookiebear you sir are a true martial artist
More people need to train martial arts to understand it's about NOT fighting. You learn discipline and respect, not how to start street fights. Most martial arts instructors will have words with you (if not kick you out completely) if you're street fighting and then showing up to learn martial arts techniques.
Is it the assertiveness that the sport teaches you? To take a bad situation into a calm one
Christopher Serratos
I can't speak for the OP but I would say it has a lot to do with self confidence, along with the respect and discipline that is learned through martial arts.
Most people that I know who have gotten into street fights end up there because they are trying to prove how macho they are or they are afraid and want to get the jump on the other person. If you have confidence in your abilities from years of training then you have no reason to prove how tough you are, you already know. And if you are confident in your ability to defend yourself should the other person attack, you don't feel the need to attack preemptively.
These factors allow you to remain calm and level headed in a confrontation. That calmness is the number one factor in deescalating a conflict.
@mysticcookiebear in your opinion out of all the disciplines you've trained in, which in your opinion is the most encompassing/effective for Street/bar fights.
Sport fighting : my opponent wants a point.
Real life : my opponent wants me dead.
There is no tapouts, no off limit hits and grabs, no referee. The only trophy is another day to live. Dont be fooled by your art. Any art can be foiled when an opponent has intent to kill.
@M B : I think your arguing against yourself. Im making it cear that your chances of dying in a fight is higher in the streets.
Not all street fighters want you dead but all street fights can lead to your death. "Oops I only gave him a left hook like I do in the dojo but he hit the concrete insteadof a matt"
Most likely your opponent does not want you dead. He might want your money, your girl, or want to kick your ass to boost his ego. The main point still holds true though, there are no rules ...
@@Wolfenkuni wanting something from you, especially one's loved ones. That's why people who say running is the best defence are wrong. It is the best SELF defence. But what of wife defence and kid defence and parent defence and friend defence?
points? Thats only Karate and Taekwondo tournaments. Hell even in those tournaments there are still people who want to put you to sleep even if it's just points. Combat sport rules are mostly meant to protect the looser from further damage that's why knockdown count and tapping out is a thing
@@Wolfenkuni not all street fights are life or death. If other guy just wants to boost his ego, he'll most likely just be using his fists
I’m 5’8 and 175lbs and I worked as a “bouncer” for 2 years. I’ve been into 2 fights while on the job and one where I used my BJJ and I end up putting the guy in a Kimura lock and held him till the cops came. I’ve been training BJJ for 7 years and I’m a purple belt and I’m telling you it works on the street. But the real goal is to never use it on the street
Thank you.
A bar is not the streets, did some of those guys suddenly pull a knife (blades are to be felt, not shown) Or some of those guys buddies (or even their girlfriend) came to help and kicked you in the face or hit you with a wrench while they are submitted? In the streets conditions change fast.
luiskp the video is actually on my Chanel. We were fighting in the street and I shut the guy down. It works on the street
@@wayne47able I dont think anyone is really arguing in a 1v1 situation with no weapons BJJ is effective.
Just about everyone carries a knife nowadays. You can try your Jackie Chan skills all you want until he or his partners stab you to death and leave you for the vultures. Or worse, they shoot you and/or your girlfriend as she watches you die.
When I practiced Akido I had a ponytail.(Like my hero Steven Segal). When I practiced Brazilian jiujitsu I cut off the pony tail and put away childish things.
And laid down and died. For all the brains left your head through your ears.
@@genewest7271 in 1 vs 1 it can be very very effective. Not all of us fight 5 guys at the same time
@@mellamankill BJJ is WAY down on the list of 1 on 1 fighting because ALL fights start standing! Nobody ever started a fight by saying let's get on the ground first.
I practice BJJ, myself. You obviously never heard of take downs, Bro. It doesn't even matter, because I practice the most effective stand up martial art there is anyway, too: Muay Thai.
@@mellamankill And the people that do 99% of the time get the ass kicking of a lifetime.
I keep coming up with - 1/ Situational Awareness 2/ Avoid conflict ( use " verbal judo") 3/ Have at least some kind of combat training 4/ Walk tall, be ready at all times ( but relaxed) assume your attackers are armed.
5/ Leave ego out of it.
And we all need a bit of luck too 😁
"Luck" doesn't exist, buddy.
Luck is a fallacy.
How many hours have you trained on bitumen and concrete?
_"If you learn "indoor" techniques, you will think narrowly and forget the true Way. Thus you will have difficulty in actual encounters. "_ - Miyamoto Musashi
@Zachary Jordan Lol I researched about the greatest swordsman in history after watching an anime called One Piece and falling in love with a swordsman character. Then I read a manga called baki and met Musashi again.
damn that is a good quote.
"Suspicious? What do you mean?" Dampachi asked nervously, suddenly caught off guard.
"Suspicious. You know, like that look on your face."
Musashi swept his finger up to Dampachi's face in accusatory fashion
Having been distracted by the finger, he did not notice Musashi had put his left hand on his sword.
There was a sound like the popping of a cork and a shriek as blood sprayed the ground.
Dampachi rose up, sailed ten feet through the air and landed hard.
Dampachi would not rise again.
-Musashi, Eiji Yoshikawa
It's not verbatim, BTW. Go read it!
@@vumazwesiziba4103 dude read vagabond
@@emersonmacintosh7673 There's nothing like the Go Rin No Sho in the Original Latin.
Oh Wait.
Idk if BJJ work but I know BJ's work in the streets
@Avenging Demon What if u pull out ur glock.
BJs (blowjobs) do work on the street I agree with you !
LOL
@Avenging Demon practising BJJ alot of people make that stupid ass joke
@Avenging Demon if youre gonna have that mentality in everything than why dont u just lay in your coffin and close it since at the end all of us would be dead anyway?
This guy is a breath of fresh air
There is no single complete art for everything. Learn BJJ, but also learn something striking (eg. Muay Thai), on top of everything else (environment awareness, etc).
GuitarsRockForever Agreed. Would boxing be a be a good pick for striking defense? I like that the most out of all the other striking based martial arts.
Team3Gaming boxing is a good starting point. For self defense I would recommend to combine a striking art (boxing, muay thai) with a grappling art (BJJ, wrestling) and on top of that Krav Maga. Because a martial art itself will not teach good knife defenses, defense against gun threats, multiple attackers, etc., that's where Krav Maga will give the edge.
@@barrygroeneveld6901 good advice. I don't do krav maga though cos if I see a weapon I'm getting the fuck outta there
Irony Krav Maga has
Never seen Meme Maga practice headbutts in sparring. What they show and what they pressure train are often entirely different things.
BJJ does NOT work in the streets. I have explained this on many occasions.
Hey Jesse! Just checked your channel, love your content. Especially the Mexican Aikido video, now I understand why my Aikido did not work :/ Keep up spreading the Mexican Martial Arts! ;)
😂 I appreciate that! I've been watching your videos for a while now so that means a lot! You keep putting out the goods too!! 👊
Voto Studios
MEXICAN BJJ is number one. All others are number two, or lower.
Voto Studios Your vids were my first thought when I saw this video XD
It’s also cool to see that two of my favorite RUclipsrs are fans of each other too. Keep up the great work guys :D
"THAT'S WHAT YOU TAUGHT ME!" ~Flaco
Best techniques "on the street": suckerpunching and running.
Also, there is no bare hand defense against knives or guns.
Running is the best form of self defence!
There is. But it is far from a sure thing. It can, however, be done.
No. There is bare hand defense against knives.
How are the soldiers, especially those of special forces trained?
@@slaffkas With guns and teamwork.
If I'm at a bar and bump into someone, I immediately apologize, whether it was my fault or not. If someone is drinking, having a shitty night or just has a massive ego, apologizing goes a long way. If they spilled their drink, I buy them one, whether it was my fault or not. I do my best to check my ego at the door. *Great video and advice.*
*Avoid. Deescalate. Drop the ego.*
The best knife defense is understanding knife offense and running the hell away. Not being in a fight is the best option, of you can always just avoid it. If someone isn't in your way or holding you, run away. If someone is holding you, you are going to have to know how to grapple. If someone is in your way what is stopping you from running is them holding you there, so you are going to need to grapple. If there is multiple people, run away. Use your grappling to avoid being taken down, use kickboxing (k1, dutch, muay thai) to keep your distance. If someone has a gun you will be shot, so comply and give them what they want. If someone has a knife, run away, the more distance the better
The best defenses against a knife are avoidance and having a better weapon then they have. Unarmed against a knife, even an untrained can be very dangerous stuff. Much better to use something as a shield or weapon of your own.
@@iansinclair6256 much better to run. If they aren't grabbing you the ability to run should always be there. The one exception to that is when to have you cornered, and they will kill you before you can do anything about it. Real life isn't a movie
It depends on your health and environment you are in when such a thing happens. If they can outrun you, it wont change the outcome, you will just more tired. Running is great in principle. Just don't assume it's always the best answer. It depends on the situation at the time.
KaîÇee Crane nick drossos did a video experiment with random people on the street and most did not run or at at least they were not able too in time they got stabbed alot so yeah in your head you can say that but you'll only know when your actually getting attacked my dude and I wouldn't bet on running away at all learn to fight and run at the same time cause unless your a soldier under constant pressure or a track start your chance of getting away is not super high and more often than not your probably have someone with you really it depends dude on you but you get my point most people freeze up when shtf
I agree running is always the best option. Unfortunately there are several instances where running is not an option, for example anytime you are in a confined space (car, elevator, bus, bathroom) or if you are already in too close of proximity of the weapon. Running is also not an option if your child or loved one is with you, I'm sure you wouldn't run and leave them. These are the instances you prepare for.
There are a lot of times bjj is a nogo in self defense scenarios, most importantly when engaging multiple opponents or a single opponent with possible jumpers.
The reason i say this is because its best to engage one opponent at a time and if you go to the ground all opponents can now engage you simultaneously and even if you disable your first opponent the others are there kicking.
The best example of this is 5v5 mma.
BJJ is so widespread though and so many fights end up on the ground that it is negligent not to learn jiu jitsu, at the very least so you know how to escape.
But the ground is dangerous in a jumper scenario, this is why I usually prescribed Muay Thai and Judo with jujitsu because the My Thai clinch is so common and it's good to know what to do from there for strikes and takedowns and wrestling clinches and Judo clenches are extremely common also and if you know how to pull up throws from these positions you can take down your opponent and still have his arm in a position for an armbar but you don't have to go to the ground with them.
Going to the ground isn't always the best bet, and no matter how good you get at gauging fights it is impossible to tell how good somebody is at Jiu-Jitsu by looking at them.
And furthermore there are a lot of catch wrestlers out here who are really good at grabbing things and twisting them and breaking them outside of standard Jiu-Jitsu procedure and if you end up on the ground with a catch wrestler something probably going to get tweaked even if you are really good at jiu-jitsu...
Not trying to discourage anyone from Jiu-Jitsu because I love it and I believe it is supremely useful and everybody needs to know it but my art teacher back in school always told me that variety is the spice of life and I have found but even though he was annoying when I was in school that guy was right.
I wish i would have listened better.
There are most certainly techniques in bjj that will work against multiple opponents. A standing guillotine and put his body in between to other(s), is one possible solution. Judo throws are actually deadly. A winning throw in judo is one in which the opponent would be completely incapacitated if notbforn the mats, id est a throw where the opponent lands flat on there back.
The best defenses for multiple attackers is protecting all angles by keeping them in a line, and incapacitating each one as quickly as possible.
When you know the way broadly you will see it in everything - mousashi, book of 5 rings
i have exactly the same thoughts on street fight. muay thai give you a strong basis where you learn to strike and defend, to clinch, and to be intimidating (even when it hurts like a bitch). then the judo habits give you amazing skills in throwing as well as countering throws. lastly, bjj comes to cover the last remaining hole as your last hope when you do get on the ground and you better finish whatever is going on quickly to get back up.
i especially consider that mma is a no go for self defense since you get used both to only striking with your hands when on the ground, and taking down your opponent and following him to the ground to finish.
i personally intend to learn aikido, but only after i get enough experience with pressure thanks to more aggressive styles.
Variety is more important than people think, I remember when I started off with Greco-Roman in school and quickly realized it was a great help with some of my fights on the school bus and altercations on the playground but each art has holes in it and in Greco-Roman you are taught never to fall to your back because you are fighting for a pin and falling to your back is called fishing out so anytime somebody threw a takedown you would try to swing to your side real quick to land on your belly to avoid the PIN but in Jiu-Jitsu I quickly learned to fall to your back to go into guard because if you fall into your belly in Greco-Roman you're throwing yourself into a rear naked choke for a Jitsu practitioner...
So variety can definitely fill those holes in our skills, and right now multiple Arts are really popular for these specific reasons especially because of cage fighting and its various forms, one thing I would definitely like to see more of would be hand gun and knife retention and takeaway practices, even though handguns and knives have been really uncommon in altercations in my experience I think it is definitely something people need to practice more especially if they are living in bigger cities because when one of these situations involving these weapons occurs I am pretty sure that you are either ready or that you are dead.
Not all encounters are sporting matches.
Approach with intent to kill, I'm sure they'll leave you alone after
Well BJJ also includes takedowns, some throws and perhaps most importantly in this context, it offers you ways to get up fast when you do end up on the ground. You practice standing up quickly while protecting your front, you practice countering leg sweeps and takedowns, etc.
In the context of street defense, I would say though that judo is often overlooked, especially when we consider a good judoka versus a person with no real fighting experience aside of a few street fights. Throws are pretty mean thing on concrete.
You're not asking the right question. BJJ, like anything else, is just a tool. Whether or not that tool is effective depends on the situation as well as the skill and experience of the practitioner. Factors such as space, obstacles, footing, lighting, number of opponents, presence of weapons (improvised or not), etc will affect what tool you can use and how. Some styles might prove very effective against a single opponent while being at a considerable disadvantage when dealing with multiple opponents.
In any case, martial arts should always be the last option when it comes to dealing with conflict because it guarantees that people are going to get hurt (usually on both sides). The most useful aspect of practicing martial arts in terms of self-defense is that it keeps the practitioner in good enough shape to get away from aggressors.
This is probably the most complete answer to the 'dilemma'.
Is it better to do two years in five different martial arts, or 10 years in one?
My guess is that the former has most 'real world' application.
@@Relaxatihon Sounds legit. Keep training!
This, is good stuff, I like that you've been able to find some answers from seemingly opposing yet still respectable sources. There's a lot to digest in this one piece of work. Maybe the best one in the series so far. Sorry you had to choose to close your dojo, it is unfortunate to the students.
Thank you!
@@MartialArtsJourney Self Defense in Mexico and Ukraine are vastly different than Self Defense in Sweden and Canada. In the US it can be different in each neighborhood. BJJ is also like vaccines. A vaccine may not end a pandemic, but you are better off taking the vaccine.
I've seen more examples of straight up Boxers taking down multiple attackers in CCTV footage than I've ever seen a BJJ practitioner do ... in fact, I've never ever seen a single bit of CCTV footage that shows a BJJ artist dealing with multiple attackers in a street fight ... go learn Boxing to a high level and call it done. In this day and age, the ground is the last place you want to go in a street fight ... not with multiple attackers kicking your head in. Footnote - An instructor of mine (RIP) was a bouncer in London for many years and his attitude towards knife defense was that there was no defense for knife attack - his arms bore witness to various knife attacks as a bouncer. He didn't bother teaching knife defence ... see a knife, just get the hell out of there.
A knife is a weapon and probably the most effective one at close range. However, it can be defended against by a combination of situational awareness, good sprinting and a handgun. It is surprisingly ineffective when the target is in shape, can run bursts and is proficient with guns. Once the knife attacker has lost the initiative and the element of surprise against a gun, its over, sine you can outrun a knife but not a bullet. Since knife attacks are meant to be felt and not seen, simply presume everyone who enters your attack range has a knife and keep your distance above several meters, which is enough to bolt out and draw the gun from a safe distance. Whoever attacks you after you have the drop on him, would have had it coming.
The Velo In The Vale agree with you, but then again most street fights end up on the ground so I’d say BJJ is important too.
But for me either Muay Thai or Boxing is the best for the street.
Lancer "Most street fights"
Your source? The only place I saw that was a statistic touted by the Gracies, which turned out to be from police officers restraining people and wrestling them onto the ground.
Lancer - Go look at CCTV of fights ... the only people who end up on the ground are those people getting knocked out by good strikers ... no BJJ to be seen
Alatus, Hear! Hear!
What transcends sport and street curricula is a methodology that includes aliveness. That is what I heard Matt saying - if you want to learn something, the functional way to do it is with the i-Method: Introduce-Isolate-Integrate. That's why it's easier to adapt sport guys to self-defense. AND if you want get better at dealing with weapons defense, or street attack scenarios, the curriculum is different - that's what I hear Bruno saying. You need to use the i-Method with those particular attacks and techniques. Even the Gracie self-defense scenarios seem to go backwards into repeating rote forms vs. true aliveness drills / positional sparring as they do when they roll sport. I don't think it's about BJJ per se - guard pulling is not a good self defense strategy! Train to be well-rounded in standup, clinch, ground, self-defense, weapons. You'll find the 80/20 rule applies if Budo is still your underlying motivation for training vs. winning in any particular sport.
Very well put
Lots of Martial arts (I've done a few but I'm a long way from an expert in anything, really) work in the street *to a degree* but I really loved what Bruno Orozco had to say about strategics and what martial arts have to offer you as a lifestyle - personal discipline, humility, emotion and impulse control, not attracting problems. What really works "in the street" is often crossing the damn street.
I really like that phrase, "open conclusion". That's a wonderful way to think about things.
IMHO, the critical shortcoming of BJJ is the competition rules. You can be high level but never forced to assert the standing->ground transition, or even closing range. If you look at BJJ dominant MMA fighters, they often lack good footwork to position themselves for their takedown(which is often sloppy, but that's well known). Nate Diaz is a good example. He essentially waits for the opponent to attempt to close range and assert position, then uses his superior jiu-jitsu to make sure he ends up with a stronger position in the scrap. It can be effective, but it also leaves him short on options to assert where the fight goes.
"Having practiced one of the least effective martial arts for more then a decade" lol. Would you ever have considered saying this two years ago?
I want to compliment you as this video was very well researched and put together. It was exactly what I was looking for on my martial arts journey. Thank you
I'm a black belt in Okinawa, BBJ a State champion wrestler and am a golden gloves boxer. I faught MMA for years and a street fight is so different. In a street fight you never know whitch self defense you will use but I'm a bad cheeter.
The answer to the question is way too complex for a simple yes or no answer, but thugs on the street typically attack when they are with friends and/or are armed with a weapon. Highly trained violent attacking and defending reflexes will be more valuable than one-on-one rolling practice. BJJ is good for play fighting and some street altercations, but the idea of it being the best art for the street is just BJJ nerd propaganda. They point to one-on-one play fights as "proof," but that just shows how little they know about real violence.
Marty S. Thank you for posting this intelligent comment. Attacking as a predator is far more efficient than thinking as a victim (martial artist). Only a idiot fights 1 on 1 and if ya smart you jump the target with at least a 3-4 person advantage
a black belt in BJJ is not the same as a black belt in other martial arts. you don't need to be anywhere near that level to be decent at it. I come from a boxing background and i got into a fight at a bar, floor was wet and we both slipped over and i ended up using BJJ which i had only been training for 3 or 4 months.
@@mmageekbkk Your story demonstrates why you should have some grappling/groundfighting skills. Locking up with one guy is dangerous though (especially on the ground), so being mobile on your feet is favorable in most situations.
Years ago a friend of mine got in a confrontation outside of a bar with a huge guy that grabbed him and put him on the ground with ease. That was crazy to see because my friend was a big, strong guy himself. Just as the guy was about to smash my friend, I took him out with a knee strike and then kick to the face. He didn't even know what hit him! My friend didn't even know what happened until I told him later. He was covered in this guy's blood, as was the knee of my pants from busting the guy's face open with the strike. I felt bad about it, but I didn't want this guy to smash my friend's face in either, so I stopped him. That's how shit goes down when it's a real dangerous situation. You end it quickly and leave.
@James Carmichael You don't know any of that for sure. It sounds like the BJJ propaganda that I mentioned earlier.
Thousands of street fights on youtube prove james carmichael right, most street fights are 1 on one between retards, not fending off serial killers
Well, no space whatsoever for ppl to complain. Easy to catch haters now!
Great video, Rokas! Thanks!
Wagner Zoccoli 😂 so if someone is not agree with you is because is a hater or is , maybe, you say only bullshits? And because your comment refers to this that means you are one of them...a little snowflake
I can find complaint with the video. It really isn't that hard.
Yes, BJJ does work. Have a mate that's been training BJJ and got into an issue with a guy trying to hit him with a bottle. Got him into a hold on the ground and told someone to call the police and held him there for 30mins until the police arrived. Priceless.
Really, most martial arts work, just need to be used in the right circumstances.
I love your story and your journey realizing martial arts aren't effective for self-defense. I too started with Akido and Karate and now do BJJ and boxing. BJJ is sooo fun too....
The Gracie jiu jitsu I do covers street application self defence weapons defence escapes all sorts really good stuff
The best two martial arts to learn imo are Filipino martial arts and silat with good ground work. Silat has comprehensive ground work and it is brutal. It also incorporates kerambit knife work. FMA is most weapons, the rattan represents a sword bolo or Kris. The sparring of FMA definitely keeps you sharp so to speak and skilled at actually fencing.
Filipino martial arts are amazing and are a cultural heritage of The Philippines as well. And like the Japanese koryu, there are various styles of FMA depending on province that the art came from. I would had continued my FMA Kali Majapahit style if it wasn't for the fact that I was already deeply immersed in the Japanese fighting arts. The two were just too conflicting for me to continue both without driving me insane. Literally. But for anyone who hasn't done FMA yet, I definitely recommend it
In a self defence situation you never, ever, go to the ground. You do everything in your power to stay on your feet.
And if you can, run.
Dirk Bruere if it’s 1v1 no weapons and no friends and if you actually train Jiu Jitsu you 100% go to the ground.
I respect BJJ as I respect all forms of Jiu-Jitsu, I personally myself prefer traditional Japanese jiu-jitsu I find it very effective. I feel as though most of the martial arts that were formed if you practice them well enough, and know what you're doing you can make it out of a street situation probably bruised, and maybe a little damaged, but still alive.
I also love traditional jujutsu, though I don't think it's the most effective style, it's like aikido it has a lot of traditional outdated stuff that you have to sift through before getting to the good stuff.
Great answer dude!
Great video. I have over 25 years experience in combat and real street encounters so I thought I would give my input. Most sports and even self focused protection martial arts rarely talk about fear control, aftermath or even prefight psychology. The physical is only a small part, but most of the time is spent on this. Another point is most street fights (from where I'm from) start around establishments that sell alcohol, most people who go to these places don't go on there own. Fighting multiple opponents reduces chances of success massively (not like the movies). BJJ is great but (IMO) only kind when 1 on 1. Striking is also flawed due to our hands are not great weapons to strike with..
Would you be so kind to elaborate? On your thoughts on this post? Thx
Hey Rokas nice video bro, but here is a piece of info I feel like might answer your question. So having seen both bjj fighters and wrestlers on the street and having seen different self defense occasions I can tell you that the effectiveness of jujitsu relies more on what you are defending your self from for example if its a one on one fight with some person from school work etc or some drunk dude at the bar or even some guy just trying to mug you bjj is very very effective on these kind of situations however the problem often starts when weapons or other people are involved here's an example: lets say you get into an altercation with some guy on the streets you go ahead and put all your chokes on him and his friends see him in trouble and boom out of nowhere you are getting you're head stomped or lets say they pull a weapon out, and bjj having to get into close combat areas you are gonna get stabbed, an example of this was a guy who did an experiment he used his bjj and wrestling skills agaisnt someone with a fake knife, he got stabbed about 22 times before being able to put a lock on him, so is bjj good for self defence? On a one on one scenario sure, is it still important to learn? Absolutely, what I recommend is adding some form of striking like boxing or muay thai or even mma where they teach you the small basics of both of these combat sports. Anyways that is my piece of info for you. Have a good day everyone and please let me now what you guy's thoughts are :)
You hit the point my friend. BJJ is effective in one on one combat but you have to add another skill to defend multiple opponents.
Nope striking isnt that good on the street, you need to learn how to defend from it but beside that is usually not that effective, judo (even the watered down sport version) and wrestling are the core, a takedown is a game ender most of the time, if not soccer kick over and over and over, learning how to takedown without losing balance is the main offensive tool in a street fight
bjj really looks like some kind of cops things when you need to immobilize target without doing too much damage
Btw the most important things is conditioning, wrestling and boxe are godlike in this
My brother-in-law was a deputy in Nowhere, Idaho. He got into a fracas with a guy in a traffic stop (dashcam footage), and says the BJJ training he got from the police academy saved his life that night. Guy went for his sidearm, and the melee ensued. That's how a lot of law enforcement die. They're out alone in their cruiser on a deserted stretch of highway, and somebody with an attitude tries to do them in. You've gotta respect that when you get pulled over, and be very respectful and calm towards them.
I’m so sick of this discussion because the last time I was in a fight was high school, a bloody fight, 6th grade. Who the heck still gets in fights? I’m a grown ass man, and I’m smart enough to know that NOTHING good comes on the other end of a fight. Multiple attackers and weapons means run!
I enjoy BJJ because the friendships, the trust between partners, the exercise, and the fact that I’ll never be done learning. I can do this for the rest of my life and the probability of me ever getting in a fight are SUPER SLIM.
Its about be prepared, shit happens bro. Car jackings, kidnappings,assaults,home invasions are real..... only bah bah bad sheep talk like u. Dont worry u can call police after u are victimized
Does it work in the street? Almost assuredly if there's no guns, knives, and it's only one attacker.
Multiple Attackers? You're going to have to convince me a little harder that it works in those cases... Anymore than one attacker and you may end up with your head smashed into the pavement while grappling the other guy, regardless of whatever stand-up techniques you use. Because they may take some time, and they don't maintain the distance to stay safe as the striking arts tend to do.
I think BJJ is great. It gets a little too much hype for its own good, IMO. Might end up with harsh backlash someday. But it's situationally great in a street fight from what I understand about it.
RPGgrenade parkour I think would be something good to learn, at least you could run away very effectively.
Do you know who Bas Rutten is?
ruclips.net/video/UyXERDeMbKI/видео.html
RPGgrenade in those cases your should be smart enough to know that running is a much better option
RPGgrenade agreed, but you don’t know when another guy will jump in which is a bit scary especially for me as I do jiu jitsu
If there are multiple attackers, run.
The problem in my opinion with BJJ and less controlled combat scenarios is two fold, BJJ is less compatible than striking arts at dealing with multiple opponents, and most of its techniques require you to put yourself in a weaker position toward everyone but your chosen target. So while BJJ is better than theoretical arts or no training for the street, I still consider it worse than other martial arts.
It is top tier for dueling, it is near bottom tier for brawls and skirmishes.
Lol striking against multiple opponents may have a slight edge over BJJ but the best defence against multiple opponents is running away if you actually want to be safe. You should never engage multiple opponents and having some sort of false confidence because you practiced kickboxing is going to get you seriously hurt.
If you reach the point to be in a street brawl, you won't need to worry if your fighting skills are solid, you just need to get away as soon as possible before someone brings a gun or a knife.
Everyone loves ju jitsu until the second attacker stomps on your face...
- personal experience
That's why learn both grappling and striking
@@Raul-vs6ff yup. Too bad BJJ doesn't practice striking or multiple opponents.
There are actual videos on the internet of people using BJJ in street fights. One that comes to mind is a fight where a guy tries to head butt and eye gouge a BJJ guy and still gets caught in a triangle. Says a lot about using "dirty tactics" to defeat BJJ or other grappling arts, which is often a counter argument.
It's a shame that you're not being taught the more combative aspects of BJJ like distance management against strikes. We don't do it nearly enough at my club. But we at least do it. The effects of focusing too much on sport Jiu-Jitsu, I guess.
BJJ is a great base art for self defense because it teaches you how to effectively use leverage to overcome size and strength disparities and enforces these principles/concepts with constant pressure testing.
BJJ doesn't have all the answers, but it has a lot of them.
It's a great method, there's no qualms about it, and I would recommend that everyone learn that or a similar grappling art, but at the same time, just like any other martial arts, there are going to downsides, especially against multiple assailants.
Hey that video sounds interesting do you have a link? I've heard a lot of counter arguments against bjj and such a video would be great to dispel its ineffectiveness.
@@joeking6972 There are thousands of videos of smaller bjj practitioners destroying much bigger guys in street fights, just search them.
@@celebrity6781 That wasn't what I was asking for; I was asking for the video where a guy is able to resist getting his eyes gouged out.
You want to know if bjj is effective in the street, so you ask bjj experts.... Um... have you ever heard of confirmation bias?
Mate, I know I'm late, but are you seriously going to ask a person who isn't trained in a martial art if said martial art is effective or not? Of course not.
"I want to know how to change the oil in my car, but I'll ask a 3 year old instead of a mechanic! Because if I ask a mechanic, that would be confirmation bias UwU"
Stop using that phrase when y'all don't know how to properly apply it, lmao. It isn't bias to consult a reliable source
@@VicereineKillbride exactly lmao
An acquaintance I had was an instructor in Filipino knife fighting. He said in a real threatening situation, it’s more common than not that one guy would be in the hospital and another would be in the grave. He said it’s best to surrender ur belonging or run.
One of the best commentaries on the subject that I’ve heard to date. Something you can investigate as well is the field of combatives that is now using bjj as a foundation for practical civilian and military application.
The only thing I disagree with is that real BJJ (Gracie Jiu Jitsu) does train knife and gun defense. As well as defense against strikes. It’s the watered down, sport-only focused BJJ training schools that only wanted to focus on the grappling aspect. Jiu Jitsu still doesn’t cover 100%, and I believe one should learn some striking style in addition to BJJ. But tradition Gracie Jiu Jitsu does in fact train defense against striking and guns/knives
That was probably when he was starting his brazilian jiujitsu school and got those teachings from traditional jiujitsu schools. Still, if you are crazy enough to fight someone with a knife, the best course of action is to kick the shit out of him. You try to take him down, you are done. No matter how good you are.
As bjj for a street fight, its probably not the best since you are not going to be rolling on a mat, you will fucking roll in concrete, you can even fucking roll over pieces glass. Im not doubting that it will be effective, im just saying is not really something you want to rely on an actual street fight since you will be prone to injure for fucking wrestle someone in an actual street.
@@bryanfong1023 exactly the reality is no matter how good of a fighter you are, you won't come out unscathed. Yet somehow so many people think their the shit. Then when they actually get attacked they realize how wrong they were, but it's already too late
Thank you for this video. I suggest that you check out Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I think it would be just what you are looking for. They teach jiu jitsu with self-defense in mind. In addition to practicing the techniques while avoiding punches, they teach how to avoid fights, de-escalate conflicts, knife/gun defenses (in case you can't run), etc.
Gracie Barra?
You're rolling around on the street on glass and other junk your wrapping up one guy his friends are free to attack you that style shouldn't be your first option
gee I wonder if he said that its good to tweak and add more options to the BJJ practitioner....... oh wait.
@M B if not glass gravel don't need to pull guard a simple arm bar will compromise you
@M B true
I've been a serious guitarist for 40 yrs. Self defense is like improvising on the guitar. When I started playing, I kept trying to find the one style or approach that would enable me to improvise over many different type of chord changes. The Pentatonic/Blues scale is like the BJJ of improvising. It's combines yet trims away the inessentials of many other scales and therefore it works well in many situations in the real word. But there's also areas that it doesn't fit. After many years I realized.... To be a truly well rounded improviser/musician takes a well rounded knowledge of music. However, you will never know it all . Self defense truly is a wide area but I think studying BJJ(the Blues scale) combined with real word self defense techniques iincl how to defuse altercations(Major & Minor Scales) will make you very effective and confident in real word self defense. (Unless your opponent is a Jazz virtuoso)
Well put! I’m a jazz musician/BJJ white belt and understand exactly what you mean
Well put together video, really appreciate your questions and conclusions on this. I have been telling my kids for years that the best self defense is to not be in questionable situations to begin with. Your video captured this succinctly.
My opinion has always been that in a street fight you seek to survive. So it doesn't "work" on the street (no unarmed combat is effective against weapons or multiple opponents), but it will sure as shit help, even if it is just your fitness level so you can out-run them.
But this means if your goal is self-defense there is no reason to start learning BJJ. Sprinting will help you much more, or honestly any MA that teaches you a simple punch.
I like and appreciate how articulate you are when presenting the issues you're addressing as well as the humility you approach them with. You're doing a great job sir.
The most honest martial arts channel around
If you start rolling around on the ground trying to snap somebody’s arm in an actual street fight, somebody will stomp your head guaranteed.
Amen. That is the reason why you dont see too many people rolling on the ground outside clubs trying to pull arm bars
When you say snap the arm you make it sound like their bone breaks. It doesn't, this is a misconception. It's the connective tissue at the elbow that tears but NEVER the bone breaking
Not the guy on the ground
Dude. Much respect to you. You are an inspiration. Please keep making these videos, because I, as well as many others I am sure, am learning with you.
Thank you! I appreciate reading this
I am by no means an authority but BJJ is incorporated into almost every law enforcement and military fighting regime. It's usually combined with striking obviously but the fact that its used so widely in LE and military circles speaks volumes about its effectiveness.
And the debate continues... I did some training with a maha guru from Indonesia who was a Gurkha soldier and a general badass who had seen combat. We was once talking about going to Alaska and somehow got talking about self defense. He said he was taking a .44 magnum with him when he went. When asked why, he said, "Well, if I run into the bear, he don't know Silat. I'll use the gun." There are so many variables in fighting - not one style can address all situations. I've trained a variety of martial arts including handgun, rifle, shotgun, knife arts and on and on. I train BJJ now because it's fun, it's hard, I'm old, the training and learning never ends. The people I train with are awesome human beings, and I think when you find that place, you become confident in yourself. That confidence spills over into other areas in your life, and it's far easier to walk away or avoid situations all together. Ego plays a huge role in confrontations, and BJJ has a way of making ego less of an issue. One of my teachers said your martial arts is the last option. It's for after the treads fall off your tank, your rifle and handgun are empty, and your knife blade is broken. THEN use your martial arts. I think mental prep plays a huge role too. Are you really prepared to shoot someone, stab someone, break someone's arm? Those are questions we must ask ourselves to prepare mentally for the fight. You have to answer them honestly, too. It's not an easy thing to take a life or maim someone - even in self defense. It's not even the art - it's the artist.
You are VERY honest and well-spoken. I too studied Aikido, and liked it … but not realistic at all. BJJ became my favorite and I still love it. Cool video!
Thank you
But you had better learn some striking as well.
Great video
I always wondered why people who learn martial srts for self defense dont train thode aspects... Like, being aware of your surroundings
gingercore69 🤪🤪 paranoia ...you must be vigilant...btw, did you take your medication today?
Yeah lve witnessed dozens of fights in restaurants
Lots of people in the comments who have not done even a year of BJJ, downplaying it. You need to know how to get up from the ground because if someone takes you there and you don't know what you are doing you are in big doo doo. A one year bjj guy can take down and kill a 15 year striker. BJJ is a MUST for anyone serious about training.
That was a fucking heroic pronounciation of the word "thoroughly". Best laugh I've had in weeks, thanks.
This is exactly what I been researching
Y'all heard the story of Rufino Dos Santos? He was a catch wrestler that challenged the Gracies back in the day and was beaten brutally in the streets for beating them in the ring... Check out the video on DIDOS channel. Very eye opening. In some ways it seems that early UFC was set up to dishonestly advertise BJJ as "the best martial art"...
Yes, they excluded Judokas and catch wrestlers who could beat them.
Hi ! Thanks for the story , I don't know if it's true , if it was a case ok so what , Gracie are a huge family, Hélio the creator never Say Gracie's are the best hé says that Jiu-jitsu is thé best against an other style . Hélio Beat the student of Kimura and Kimura broke his arm. Hélio was just a good Bjj praticionner and Kimura a judo légend, Hélio says he was no chance.
About the wrestler , The skinny Royce Gracie Beats the famous Dan Severn and Ken Shamrock.
For me JJB is one the most efficient martial art, it's not just a personnal opinion , many of the best fighters in the world continue to practice it and if you want to compète in MMA you have to inox how Bjj work.
@@mysty0 Yes of course ! But in the other hand we can make an other interprétation, when the gun appears in the west, fighting with you body become " useless" so it's become a sport and on rare case an art like Mohammed Ali did with boxing.
@James Roper yes, he quit because , the moment they study and know Jiu jitsu, jiu jitsu loose a part of his edge. Watch Kimo After his fight with Royce, he submit Sakuraba ! And After Sakuraba watch Gracie fight, study it ans Beat four Gracie's.
@@mysty0 sure it's steal sometimes necessary , but tell me in rich country , if you stay in
relative safety place, don't walk on thé night on dark street, most of the Times you does not have problem and the few other Times when There were relative violence a basic boxing or judo throw is enough. Most of the Times when their is violence on safety place like bar , restaurant or supermarket the agressor is not train, a simple uppercut or judo throw is enough.
I somehow love that a self defense expert looks like the Cinema Snob.
Full circle: Traditional martial arts include all 3. Awareness, discipline, control of emotions. Masters thus gave life advice. I say nowadays, fantasy martial arts is not becoming redundant. Their way of life becomes redundant, in a world where effectiveness is measured by the MA's "street" potential.
I think a lot of martial arts are effective, but some lack personal development at that might be a fatal mistake on the streets.
Bjj can work in the streets if you combine it with striking
Sure it can but it is not the most effective. It is only good at a certain point. Better yet practice more of punching kicking knee and elbow and other grabbing techniques than fight on the ground. That is the last place you want to be in a street fight.
If you’re not training with strikes or learning weapon defense techniques and theory, you’re likely only learning the sport variance. Hate to hear you have trouble finding the complete art.
Thanks. It is one of my main motivations to want to go to SBG Portland, rather than to train at my local place
Martial Arts Journey SBG is an amazing group of guys! I’m a HUGE fan of them. Intellectuals as well as from a pedigreed lineage.
I'm glad to hear that. Really looking forward to train there
Weapons are completely different, although a person should be familiar with basic gun handling and safety.
Martial Arts Journey Be sure to ask them at SBG for gun, knife, and club defense techniques. Someone there will know them for sure
No one fighting style can guarantee success in a no holds bar fight. Fighting is too complex and has too many variables to be boiled down to simple stuff like style vs style. Besides skills, it depends a lot on your physical conditioning, pain tolerance, your state of mind, your instincts and reflexes and your willingness to fight.
i knew someone when growing up that trained in muay thai, wrestling, bjj and was also an asshole trouble maker that got into a lot of fights, always won and people were afraid of. he wasn't seen for about 3 years and it turned out he went to prison for multiple assault and battery charges. when speaking with him he was completely different and very humble. he did say that he only got into a few fights in prison and didn't get his ass beat but did say that nothing prepares you for the types of fights that you see there and it was scary to realize how brutal it can be when it is in environment where it is truly no holds barrred. he seen someone get their eye ripped out, one guy got fishhooked to where it tore part of his cheek apart, one fight a guy got part of his nose bitten off and still kept fighting, broken finger, weapons. he said after seeing things like that he never wants to take the chance of getting into another fight considering you don´t know what the guy or group have been through in their past. when he went in he thought no one could beat him and he said there were many guys in there he would back down from in a second.
Forget martial arts.
Just carry a gun.
Daniel Woulfe:In the large scheme of things that's probably the best way to go.
Not everyone lives in the US. Guns are heavily regulated here which is a good thing overall.
we are talking about individual
Not everyone is American !
Not an option for a lot of people.
"90% of street fights ends on the floor"
-Bruno Orozco
joseluisnewyork “Because you put them there” -My instructor
Mad respect for consulting more than one source and not giving an absolut answer
Hi, I have had training in a traditional sport karate, ryu te ren mei kempo karate and fiore armizare and swordsmanship. I did not understand true self defense until I met the man who taught me ryu te ren mei kempo karate as brought to the usa by taika oyata. He is a second gen student of oyata and was in his personal elite group of black belts called the shin shu ho. He has a background in the US army and navy, served in Vietnam, has been a police officer for many years and had to use his training for defense on numerous occasions. Several times I have personally witnessed him stop every attack that came at him randomly by attackers, at times even 2 or more but he does not advise fighting so many. The reason I mention all this is to speak to his creditials. He explained to me that true defensive arts work when used correctly but this takes thousands of reps and drills to make it pure muscle memory, a practice that 99% of students do not have the dicipline to maintain. Another key he told me is the technique must be sound mechanically. practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. Practice doing something wrong over and over and all we learn is how to do it wrong which fails us. The trick is to recognize the arts that can give us these mechanics as there are many. Some arts have me than others hence bruce lee's philosophy of throwing out what does not work and keeping what does. I can promise you one thing: Find a high level person in Ryu te ren mei kempo karate and I guarantee it works as a defense art. No bs here. Taika Oyata has passed but you can locate his best students around the kansas city area. It takes dedication and a LOT of practice but it's a pure and damn good art. I just wish I had taken it more serious while my teacher still taught but that ship has sailed. unfortunately, there is nobody close enough to me that I can afford to learn from to keep training. The youtuber, ramsey dewey speaks to many of my same points and more in his video on tai chi. Hear him out, he really gets it. I truly hope I have helped you find a path to the answers you seek.
I think, as usual, you’re spot on. Talking with a SEAL, an expert in hand to hand, he stated similar sentiments. His take was, kickboxing (Muay Thai), BJJ then others. Sorry but Aikido didn’t come up.
Fake seal, therefore, not expert! War fighting is about killing (no rules), not about sport (many books of rules you MUST follow).
@@genewest7271 Dafuck? We're talking self defense here, not war. Surviving the war is pretty simple nowadays: Have the longer range tanks.
@@ZenoDovahkiin dumbass, fighting for your life is what war is. Self defense bjj is a joke. How often are one on one fights? Very few if any.
All martial Arts have something to offer. And it depends more the individual skill than the art itself.
I've seen Karate work on the street.
I've alot of different styles work. When you get to a high level of skill you learn how to adapt to any situation. So once again there is no best martial art.
Well said, I COMPLETELY Agree!!
Royce Gracie won the first UFC, which remember, it had no rules whatsoever, and his wins were against much larger opponents, trained in various martial arts. I'd say that counts for a hell of a lot. BJJ would never let you down in a Aikido kind of way.
Rolled on the ground for ages. Not suitable for the streets.
+Martial Arts Journey I think asking "does *insert martial art* work in the street" is like asking does *insert construction tool* work in building stuff. If in the latter case I said "does a hammer work in building stuff", then the answer will be "it depends on the situation". The goal of a street fight is survival, techniques for unarmed combat are a very niche and small part of achieving that goal just like hammer and nails are a very niche and small (sometimes absent) part of construction. The best strategy for survival is having control of a situation, which always means foresight and planning. Foresight, the ability to understand the likelihood of a confrontation and its outcome, will inform which techniques/tactics should be used to leave the situation having survived. However, foresight is not something that can be universally trained. A Taekwondo fighter has a great deal of foresight (trained intuition) for dealing with unarmed foot strikes, a boxer has a great deal of foresight for dealing with unarmed hand strikes, BJJ fighters have a great deal of foresight into dealing with unarmed grappling, Police training offers a good deal of foresight into dealing with civilian armed conflict, and military training offers a good deal of foresight into dealing with foreign armed conflict. Even if you had years of training in all these disciplines, nothing can allow you to predict the future and thus be unbeatable in any situation. There is always a situation in which your discipline is weak, and in a life or death situation that is the weakness any attacker will immediately go for to ensure his own survival. Saying "Taekwondo is better than boxing, or BJJ is better than Taekwondo, or saying MMA is better than them all" is like saying respectively "a maul is better than a hammer, a rope is better than a maul, or a Sheffield 14 in 1 Hammer Multi Tool is better than them all".
Mr. Stanley is a great equaliser.
Please, I beg you. Go watch some videos of people applying jiu jitsu in street fights against more than 1 person or against an armed aggressor...... BJJ has no use other than 1v1 fighting (and yes, it is really good at 1v1), but many times you don't know if the person attacking you has some friends around. Going to the ground with someone is the most vulnerable thing you can do, potentially lethal....
This question comes up in a form similar to this. "What do I do in a road rage incident when I'm boxed in by the guy at a stop light. That is you allowed yourself to get into a high chaos kill zone and now want an 'answer'. The answer is it's TOO LATE. You must anticipate and solve the problem before high chaos for no martial art has a technical answer to high chaos. Anticipate, solve it early. Similarly with a RNC. How do I get out of a totally sunk in RNC? It's TOO LATE. You should have solved it before that. Same thing with a 'guy with a knife at my throat'; 'multiple guys in an alley'. All are the same paradigm. Get in good shape, solve it early, don't be self-deluded, and don't look for an 'ultimate answer'. You drive your car off a cliff and ALL of the super-advanced FBI-driving courses in the world won't help you.
Truth is you wasted about 10 years of your life. You carry around an expensive iPhone then wonder how not to get robbed. You're asking the wrong questions. Keep with the BJJ. Keep in shape. Work with a partner. Think about your specific vulnerabilities in your area. Solve some with a layered approach. Have a partner to back you up like cops used to have (partner approach). Hope this helps. You're now overthinking this thing.
This^^
Good video and that was me at 2:20 in the video. Now as for does BJJ work in the street? Yes but it all depends on the situation and the persons skill level. But one also has to keep in mind that those that practice more judo throws and wrestling takedowns will have better success in a street situation. Guns and knives are a different story. That’s training that isn’t very commonly taught in BJJ gyms.
In the Army self defence courses they teach you the "classic" knife and weapon defence tecniques, but they also tell you that if you have to fight with just a knife its all about minimising damage, you will never walk away from a knife fight uninjured, they also jokingly say that if you have to fight with knives you would first have to be alone and loose your weapon.. not the ideal soldier
/Armydude
Look up combat Jiujitsu rules with eddie bravo. Keeps grappling more realistic
true that,he wants to test jiu jitsu!
Just an example. Marcelo Garcia one of the greatest BJJ practicioner of all time . Fought couple times in MMA he hasnt done MMA as soon as he lost. That would give you an idea that bjj without striking and wrestling is not as effective,. UFC one, was promoted by Rorion Gracie and the opponents cherry picked and we don't know if Royce was doping already since he was suspended for 2 years dor PEDs . Do your research 1st and dont believe the hype . Check the Rufino Do Santos story so you can have am idea amd make your own conclusions. Also check. Catch, sambo and Sakuraba.
Don't forget Shamrock and Sudo.
Carlos Alfonso
Yeah bjj still be running shit fuck boy
In the discussion of what work on street, I think we confusing "work" with "invincible." A lot of things can work on street depending on the situation, but no one can save you always.
BJJ is an excellent art to use on the streets, if your primary fighting style is getting kicked in the head. It's perfect for that technique. I was the new tall skinny white kid in too many times in life. I had 18 school changes before I graduated. Usually I ended up in a bad neighborhood. This lead to a lot of being jumped. 3-5 cowards at a time hitting me. Lying down on the ground would have been a bad idea. Learning that collar bones and throats are fine targets did me well. Gouging eyes, moving with blows, constant movement, low kicks, and using cowards to block other cowards works well. You do these things on your feet. Where your head is high and moving. To stop getting jumped I would catch a coward alone and beat him without mercy. Had I known BJJ for those encounters, that would have been nice. Not in any of the other situations. In those real world situations it is useless.
No rules in a street fight, anything goes.
@Peter Kazavis i prefer brass knuckles. easy to conceal
you brought fists to a gun fight
Jiu Jitsu is amazing for self defense. I have a few go to moves and they have worked every time like magic. If you rear naked choke or standing guillotine someone in a street fight they’re out within seconds and are terrified when they come to. I’ve been in situation with multiple attackers where I was able to choke one while using his body to shield myself from another. Tournament tendencies do water down the self defense aspect though. Look up Rickson gracies thoughts on the subject
My brother...I've been watching you for a while...I've watched you progress in your journey of martial enlightenment...
You truly have the mindset and methodology of a seeker f knowledge
I enjoy your videos. Thank you. But I wanted to add something about your question.
All MMA fighting styles work within a set of rules. No groin kicks, no elbows to the back or top of the head, no eye gouging, no biting, etc. Street fitting has none of these rules. So any fighting style that does not consider these possible attacks is lacking.
Street fighting is more like watching the lion and water buffalo. It's survival and anything goes to survive.
You forgot to mention multiple opponents, weapons, cover of darkness etc. Going to the ground is the biggest mistake you can make in real life. Take someone down while he's stabbing your neck , eyes, and throat with a knife that's hidden. Or his buddies come at you from behind while you are on the ground in a dark parking lot no one around to help. BBJ is a sport that works in the ring. If it works otherwise, put two MMA guys in a ring. Remove the ref, throw two knives into the ring and then turn off the lights and let whoever comes out alive the winner. That's real martial arts. No MMA bull crap. The excuse about full contact no being trained in other arts is no sense. That's what training apparatus is for. If you truly hit someone full power you will kill them. If you're train well at all.
Theres not one single martial art with more videos or news reports of people using it in real life fights. Women have used brazilian jiujitsu to defeat rapists and to restrain robbers until the pooice arrived. Theres probably fifty videos right here on youtube of people using bjj to win real fights on "the streets" including fights where smaller people beat larger attackers.
I by no mean mean to belittle bjj, but in my personal opinion bjj is just a nother style of judo. No hate and i agree that bjj/judo is very useful and practical.
Aljoša P. Lampe - And I don’t mean to belittle Judo, but Judo came from the original Japanese Ju Jitsu. No hate and I agree that both Judo/BJJ are practical and useful.
BJJ is basically Kosen Judo.
In a way yes, but Maeda came to brazil and such after he was expelled from Kodokan,tho he did also study some Kosen judo. What he tought the Gracies was a mixture of both styles, but Helio then made the transition to concentrate on groundwork, if the sources were correct.
Awesome video Rokas! You are getting closer to the truth. So I will give you a hint as to why most tma fail in real life situations. And it isn't the effectiveness of the technique. It is Trained Stimulus Response. The brain has to be programmed and trained to respond to a stimulus. Watch the training sessions from We were soldiers movie, glory, and man on fire. It is the reason most traditional martial arts have a limited number of techniques. When the person is provided with an unknown stimulus the brain goes into panic mode and has to look for a way to deal with the unknown. The problem is you have seconds to respond and an untrained brain takes hours to wire new solutions.
This is the reason why I focus on Hema (which is more than just swords or weapons or boxing) The fighting styles developed in Europe was more built on responding to an attack from ambush. Which is where most street fight come from. While knowing a sport fighting art is a good base to go from but it lacks, but not always, in training to respond to ambush. Hema works for me very well. I have been attacked on the street and I can tell you that not having a rigid formula is what allowed me to win. To be able to respond to my environment quickly. Hema teaches to break contact and gain distance to not close until you can defeat your enemy with as little effort as possible and if need be retreat. To only fight when you have the advantage and that the only fair fight is a fight you when. It works for me and has worked in the past so I will keep at it. I'm not dissing the video just my opinion.
What I learned in martial arts or combat sports and street fighting is you take as much knowledge and wisdom from all forms, training, sparing and put it in your own form understanding, just stay healthy, humble. Teach whoever want to learn be in peace.