Exposing BJJ
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I confronted Ryron Gracie from @GracieBreakdown to learn Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for self-defense vs. sport.
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Japan sent the world karate champion to fight Royce Gracie. Royce beat him in one minute.
@@AbdulGhani-vm6oq What took him so long
@@KARATEbyJesseCan you come to malaysia
Would karate work
@@KARATEbyJesse Royce was taking it easy on him. 😉
"Do what you can, not what you want" is big and clever advice
It's an interesting piece of advice in many ways!
I'm 50 yrs old, and I'm just now hearing this?!?!? Wish someone had told me when I was 8!
I loved that saying. I wish I heard this long ago.
@liamdurr that's what a natural born loser would say.
You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em...
The real self-defence was the friends we made along the way.
Not in a street fight .
In a street fight having a greater numbers of friends with you is one of the best self defenses. So yeah in a lot of cases the real self defense is the friends we made along the way.
@@luisbonatto8520
Look at @gokulhemanthkumar4556 man so inspirational
OK but literally true. Building bridges with people keeps everyone safer.
I Actually just blasted a massive load to your profile pic actual ropes all over my screen
I started BJJ a year ago originally for self defense purposes. I almost forgot that. These days I’m training for tournaments, I’m exercising and lifting weights for my stamina and strength - for tournaments. Thanks for the reminder as to why I even started this journey.
I recommend you to check a nice book by a grappler, Mikinosuke Kawaishi, "My method of self defense". It adds a dimension or mindset that can benefit any BJJ or Judo practitioner.
The self defense in this video is very familiar to me and I've never trained BJJ. I guess we all come from the same tree.
@@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158 I’ll check it out!! Thank you 🙏
Our head instructor says that competition is a good way to be prepared for self defense. The intensity is higher and you have to remain composed under more stress.
Don't let yourself forget why you're doing it. Strength and stamina are still important in and out of martial arts.
It doesn't matter you would still smoke most untrained and unarmed people in self defence situation. There is no point in going beyond blue belt for self defence. If self defence in your only goal make it to blue belt than learn some basic boxing and you are golden.
They don’t necessarily have to be exclusive. “Think street, train sport, practice art.” - Chris Haueter
and be strapped if you get in a fight
in the end you do what you train for is what you do, so it doesn't matter what you think, and training is practicing.
Haueter just came out with a podCast on youtube. He talks about this constantly, and it sings so much truth.
@@xBoaBoaI have a CCW, and always carry. But how will that help me if I’m in a fight and it’s not a lethal threat?
@@RabbiSteve1 its either a threat or its not. The only issue is a bias you have on whether you are safe or not. The threat is either there or not.
"you do what you CAN, not what you WANT" wow. That's beautiful
This is actually the classic approach. While you can do what you want, it will cost you way more energy, so you can't do it all the time.
@@johnsmith1926 absolutely true. Thank you for sharing that.
Good for strategizing and enacting, bad for leading and training. You can’t lead an army or make it to the top 1 percent of your discipline without a dream.
What you actually need is a healthy balance of both, high expectations but also the patience to reach them.
@@yoface938 Point, missed.
It's like in chess
All Martial arts schools should look into this mentality for the non competitive martial artists.
Jesse made a great video about training psychology, how having fun and training as if it was play may be the most effective way to internalize real skills.
Used to be like that back in the days.
This was most schools back in the 70s through the 90s. I don't train in schools anymore, so I don't know the more recent decades. But none of this was new to me, it's carry over from the basics their grandfather was teaching and he learned from the masters before him.
Martial arts should not need to be separated with weight classes..
They care more about money
This was refreshing to watch. As someone who has trained Bjj for almost 8 years, I’ve always loved this side of jiujitsu more than the sport side. Also Ryron’s gym philosophy is spot on. Most people just want to learn self defense, not compete with each other constantly. It’s exhausting and injuries are high when it’s comp focused.
Half of my editing time was spent cutting people who complained about injuries
@@KARATEbyJesse I was reading some texts by Jigoro Kano and I remember reading that one of the criteria of techniques selection for Judo was to avoid injuries as much as possible.
@@KARATEbyJessehot off the press: “sensei Jesse CUTS students who complain about injury”
Agreed. Self-preservation first. Sport 2nd. As a side note, the scissor choke at 8:14 is one of my go to's lol. Probably my favorite choke.
Facts brother I agree with you
Im the exact opposite. I spent the firsr four months of my journey at a jiu-jitsu academy that is competition focused. I was miserable. I didnt quit jiu-jitsu. I quit that school. I found an academy that has a nice blend of self defense, takedowns, and ground fighting. The people are friendly and the higher belts sincerely go out of there way to help me - a white belt
I train with veterans and first responders. Im a marine corps veteran. I am so happy where i train jiu-jitsu. Im 54. I plan to train for as long as my mind and body will allow. God bless and great video.
props
I got back to judo at age 49 and now I´m 51 and enjoying practicing solely to have fun and keep fit instead of thinking about competition and get injured, which isn't acceptable since I´m also training aikido (aikikai and tomiki) and gojuryu karate.
Thanks for your service, and keep at it brother!
Thanks for the informative video
I am 53 and because of pain in my joints, I cannot fight anymore.
This is why i love this guy, he is humble. and is honest. I love it.
I have to admit. I had the wrong idea about the guy and his family. I think it's some of the fans that talk ridiculous and have nothing to do really with the guy or how the family views things.
It's always nice to see people that are humble and down to earth. This guy seems genuinely pleasant and insightful.
Gracie family arent humble or honest. Only casuals believe this nonsense. Kazushi Sakuraba destroyed their whole family and kept asking for rematches and kept putting up lame excuses after another. Same goes for multiple fighters. They are lame.
@@minebabble True. Unfortunately Ryron is an outlier in the family.
@@minebabble What does Sakuraba, an MMA guy, beating up pure BJJ guys have to do with If Ryon is honest or not?
Damn, you're such an overly biased Gracie hater, you cant even stay on topic to try and make your point actually seem valid
I’m elderly,taking a self defense that blends Kenpo , BJJ and judo.This made me realize how soundly based my class is! Thank you both!
American K 5.0? It looks like solid skills.
Thats a deadly combination
TAE-BO?
Wow be careful! Sounds like a nice combo. Hope you enjoy. 😁👍
I love that Jesse isn't afraid to get his hair or ego messed up! LOL... Amazing work man!
Just doing what I love!
Jesse with messy hair is like the realization moment in anime XD
Yessir! I think that's why we love you man!
🤣
This is legit why is my favourite MMA RUclipsr and the best overall in my opinion, I don't even do karate yet very few are humble enough to showcase flaws etc in their own style, which all MMA arts have to some degree
The most sensible person in the entire Gracie family.
And a HIGHLY underrated grappler also.
Renzo has just as much respect from me. He credited John Danaher for a change he had made to a guard pass in one of Renzo’s own videos in his own channel. Loved seeing that
@@Adultz94 Renzo, while he gets a lot of respect, it still may not be enough. When Renzo came tot he US to teach BJJ, he did it pretty much on his own without any help from anyone else after his business partner bailed on him.
Renzo taught complete white belts with literally zero experience and pushed BJJ to extremely high levels all by himself and the tiny home-grown ecosystem he built from nothing in NYC.
Yes. Even if you despise Rener, you have to pretty much respect Ryron no matter how you feel.
Ryron, among all the grandchildren, best exemplifies his grandfather's philosophy.
I’ve never trained at a Gracie club, but I’ve always had a lot of respect for Ryron. He’s a wise and gifted instructor. Great video.
Mad props to Ryron GRACIE for setting the record STRAIGHT! As usual! 😎
“Could you help me understand” - I feel that’s the way you approach a lot of your videos and it makes it genuinely interesting. 👍👍👍🎉
I loved your course on Karate Ground fighting years ago. To quote you, "For a Karate practitioner to be ignorant of geound fighting is Insane". Its cool to see you do this type of stuff, I really enjoy your ground fighting work as well.
Thanks for supporting my work! 🌟
Same can be said for BJJ, being ignorant of standup is insane, especially considering that is where all fights start lol.
Hey @KARATEbyJesse you should do a video on American Kenpo or Jeff Speakman Kenpo that would be awesome to see!
@@KARATEbyJesse hopefully it's still available & people are aware!
Very good intro and storytelling. As a fighter, martial-artist and a content creator you are top Tier! Much love from Finland! ❤
Thanks a lot! Or should I say "kiitos" :)
This seems to be a common pattern with sports versions of many martial arts.
Very restrictive rules and a point system in the competitions completely obscure the true depth of the art!
That's the way it goes! We must walk a fine line and never forget our roots
Which means Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu are way better form of self defense than Karate, @KARATEbyJesse
@@Anti-McDojoI dont think you get the point ... maybe u want to trash talk karate
@@Anti-McDojo bait used to be believable :/
@@Anti-McDojo Have you looked at any of Jesse's other work? Especially the idea that "self defence" is not the same as a stand-up "fair" fight? There are plenty of accounts of kickboxers being beaten or sucker-punched in a mugging situation where the attack was not announced and came out of nowhere. Distance sparring skills aren't so useful in that scenario. According to Patrick McCarthy - who was a fairly effective fighter in the ring - most styles of Karate were developed, not to deal with fighting another trained fighter but, to defend against attacks by "ruffians". That is to say, muggers and opportunists, who might grab one or both arms, go for a bear hug or a takedown, etc. Patrick McCarthy (and Jesse) have demonstrated how Karate Kata make sense when understood as defences against those sorts of attack. The very same sort of attacks as appear in the conversation between Jesse and Mr Gracie.
This was the kind of instruction I was looking for when I did GB BJJ. Instead, it was "show you one move" practice it, then just do a free-roll for the rest of the class.
That’s why I shy away from big name sports gyms like GB. I’ve known some cool guys from them but the atmosphere is different. I prefer small, local gyms. Where you have everyday people training for different reasons like self defense, community etc.
Wait the title of this video is clickbait??......and still has a duration of 18:45 mins, youtube is f*ck*d
I figured the title was clickbait-ish but as I’ve watched the channel a fair bit I knew what to expect. He actually did “expose” elements of BJJ but the title and thumbnail implies he is exposing the Gracies, which of course he isn’t and you can see from the start that he isn’t doing that - aside from his play acting that keeps suggesting that is what he is doing for the first could of minutes.
Your assessment of RUclips is on the money but this is not the example of the RUclips cesspit you’re suggesting it is. I wish he could use a more direct and honest approach but this title will probably get a lot more views… if I wasn’t familiar with the channel I wouldn’t have clicked at all. You don’t seem to be familiar with it but you have left a comment, even though you don’t seem to have watched the whole video. Your comment is more effective engagement for the video, if you really hated it, just stopping the video and clicking don’t show this channel anymore is the only effective way to punish the RUclipsr (although I don’t think Jesse deserves to be punished)
That's the problem with competition sports and martial arts. You have to control the sportist and competitive spirit to preserve the martial spirit and techniques system, otherwise it will be reduced to a specialized system of a few techniques and not studied in its entirety.
It's a fine line!
This has been said many times. And sports always overshadow the self defence side. To win in a sport there is always going to be someone better than you so then you have to train harder, better and for that specific set of rules. At this point who has time to train self defence?
@@lambosnicko Yea, but the other side of that is all that training will allow you to smoke most untrained people in aself defense situation
I say make a decision to your approach to martial arts and stick with it. The only reason I care about is self-defense. I've never wavered from that. I get a great work out when I practice, and I have a good community that cares about the martial art and physical and mental well-being. It feels great to know your survival rate is high when ANY situation comes your way, even if you have to square off with some sport motherfucker. Sport guys have to conform to a protocol that deliberately hobbles their system, and are always on the verge of getting seriously hurt if they fuck with the wrong guy or are thrown into situations they can't handle. They just don't know what to do and won't do what's needed to destroy someone quickly. I've seen it happen, and it's the hesitation that ends them.
Possibly one of the major premises of bjj is that you don't always get to pick where the fight will happen. "Don't go to the ground, the attacker might have friends!" What if you don't get to choose and they put you on the ground? Wouldn't you want to know how to defend yourself there?
That’s what most people fail to understand
Yes, the point is that you shouldn't immediately go for the most dangerous option. It's like saying you should avoid fighting at all if possible. A real fight is a bad thing and we don't want to do it, but we're learning to defend ourselves in case it happens. Going to the ground is a worst case scenario, but we learn how to deal with that if we need to. They might have friends, they might also have a knife. You might have them in your guard but there could also be broken glass on the ground. Ryron is doing a great thing by showing people to try to disengage with words beforehand.
I'm often saying this to people. Most martial arts If you are put on your back you are helpless
Your training would allow you to avoid getting taken down
@@bobross7473 That's if you trained takedown defense or get-ups from bottom. And for that Wrestling training is way more effective than BJJ.
Ryron is such a great teacher. So calm, reserved, and cerebral.
Ryron gave such a great explanation of how I've come to understand BJJ personally from my instructors
This fella is a hell of a teacher, awesome video ❤
This is the art of Jiu Jitsu self-defense mixed with verbal jiu jitsu. It embodies the mindset of someone who is learning how to win and someone who is learning how to survive. Legitimate self-defense schools or classes teach these types of mindsets and skill sets. Thank you, Jesse, for always bringing new things and helping us learn new concepts.
Those Gracies are incredible salespeople.
The Art sells itself, the Gracie's just make you aware of it
Most of them are down to line it up and scrap too.
People are only concerned with the gracie's name and suspect stories now, and not all the work and proven effectiveness they had to show to get bjj where it is today.
@@eddienash5986 in 2003 here in Brazil me and my brother in law were in a nightclub when we just heard people screaming and running like a demon arrived the place, the bodyguards were running against the crowrd to check what was happening, they were deperated. Then we looked at the place where ppl were running from and we saw like 6 guys with shaved hairs and cauliflower ears BJJ gym shirts beating all the poor bodyguards, then the bodyguards began to run for their lifes after some seconds others trying to scape armlocks and headlocks on the ground already, they only stopped when the police arrived and shot to the air a couple times, that was insane cuz there were so many bodyguards and they were not small guys but they got beaten like children by adults. I'm not even a jiu jitsu fighter or anything, but don't doubt what those guys did back in the early 00's here in Brazil these stories are real.
Its clear Ryron is passionateband that afición is contagious
No weight classes in self defense. Pick the right one folks
Before learning BJJ I was bullied and didn't knew what to do , but since I began BJJ I was surprised to see me submit someone.
As a young man, I trained everywhere. I studied karate for a long time but got injured, which led me to explore Miyama Ryu Jujutsu. This opened my eyes to new possibilities, so I started mat hopping and trained in Aikido, Karate, and many other styles. Whenever I traveled, I trained in whatever art was available in the area. I continued searching for the truth in the same way. I commend you for connecting all martial arts And making thing’s relevant. Very Great video.
Aikido more like "bye" kido am I right
Keep learning many arts, I have done the same thing. Having options for various situations is the best martial art…
@@DarkMuj Typical Internet rubbish for people who don't know. Look at real Japanese Aikido and not the phony Western interpretation and you'll see the Japanese don't play that shit and are quite effective in their expression of it.
From my experience, BJJ is absolutely suitable for self-defense. If you just pull guard and concentrate on cool leg locks, of course not. But if you train some wrestling in addition to BJJ, and regularly fight against beginners who fight at 100% and do a lot of random stuff, you can absolutely train it as self-defense.
9 years in and I agree 100% , but Professor Ryron is saying that it IS self defence training, just that most people wont stay long enough to get there
This 100% as a competitor I always use the Spazzy huge new guys because that’s the intensity of self defense and competition, then I try to teach them to slow down and we have more relaxed rolls in off season, until a new Spazzy guy needs to be tamed and the cycle continues 😂
@@stefanforsgren9023this is a common problem I see with strong athletic guys, most of them try it out and even if you literally tell them that they should stop going all in and relax, it’s all technique, you just have to learn for a while, etc they sometimes go with the narrative of “I’m not as strong as I thought” and quit when their expectation of “being strong and watching ufc means I’ll beat everyone” wasn’t met
Normally the shy nice small guys don’t have such a big ego to be crushed and they tend to stick longer cause they have an open mind and expect to suck at the beginning
buullllshit
I think Judo and Boxing are better.
I came up in this system under Ryron
He is a phenomenal professor 🥋🙏🏻
Most definitely
He's been my teacher for the last 18 years.
Martial Arts has limits because we all want to keep practicing. Hand-to-hand combat should take only a few seconds and result in serious injury or death leading to maybe arrest and prison. Anybody who says, "oh, that's fake!" is a fool risking jail or worse.
Even at a few seconds, SOCOM vets will tell you you're taking too long. They expect that deed done in less than a second. I think chains of moves are good to deal with changes and develop coordination, but you have to switch gears in the field mentally to understanding that even if a counter or two goes down and the exchange starts taking too long, the situation will probably change and you will probably switch to something else midstream anyway. Not relying on those chains for your mental inspiration is important. Adrenaline and the fear of death should help. If not, you can just pull up the thermal vid of that operator that got left in Afghanistan who got fragged multiple times, fought hand to hand, and changed fighting holes several times. You could watch his motions slow down as he lost blood pressure and only due to pressure loss. The dude was 100% mentally committed. Anyone who wasn't would have seen even worse technique decay.
It's always best to go to the real sources to check data like that--too bad a lot of pansies have tried to make such videos hard to find.
As someone trained in aikido, it feels like you "exposed" (positive) both the practical core and the empathetic, jūjutsu/aikido-adjacent philosophical parts of bjj, and it's really nice to see this side. Nowadays, it always feels like I see people and commenters concentrating so much on competitive effectiveness and with nearly no emphasis on what most people will want or need from martial arts in life, and it's good to see this side of bjj. It really feels like bjj still has jūjutsu at its core ❤
Good work, Jesse! Growing up in Rio de Janeiro in the 80s and 90s, the young Gracies had a terrible reputation for picking street fights. Nice to see Ryron as a wiser BJJ master.
Eles comiam a playboyzada do surf na porrada e estavam certos por isso.
They still have a terrible reputation, till this day they still lie about Kimura and his match with Helio.
They surely look like mobsters.
The Gracie Academy or the Valente bros academy pure self defense Jiu Jitsu. A lot of other places have gone more towards sport/competition that’s why you got those responses at the tournament.
You made a claim, then tested the claim, and found some flaws and learned from your mistakes. I also learned theres more to how bjj is actually taught from this video. Looks like some growth came out of this journey 👍
Always more to learn!
@@KARATEbyJesse Why don't you do a video where you actually roll with good bjj people and remove your white belt tournament video.
Best self-defense strategies:
1st: Awareness and situational alertness.
2nd: Avoid putting yourself in places or situations where you might need to defend yourself.
3rd: Verbal de-escalation techniques.
4th: Running away or escaping.
5th: Pepper spray.
6th: Boxing.
Boxing is great against someone without any martial arts training. It is probably the worst martial art to use against someone with any martial art training. No defense against kickboxing, muai thai, or any grappling and you have to depend on your boxing being better than their striking. Like this video tries to demonstrate between competition and self-defense BJJ, boxing is also very different than bare knuckle fighting. Watch or listen to fighters in Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship about how certain boxing techniques just don't translate over to a real street fight.
most fights end in the ground, thats BJJ helm, not boxing, and a person with Bjj training will not easily let the boxer knock him out
much respect for boxing, but the average boxing Joe stands absolutely no chance against the average Bjj Joe.
OF COURSE theres always ""that punch"" that conected, but thats the 1 out of 10 cases, the other 9 time will end with to people on the ground..
its not opinion or my preference for Bjj. again, much respect for boxing, but its just a fact: things end with people on the ground
@@thz123 in my experience bouncing (scotland, australia and nz) I would advise against voluntarily going to the ground.
A few reasons:
- numbers, if the numbers are against you being on the ground puts you in a no win scenario. If they are in your favour then being on the ground is a waste of your time and only increases risk of injury.
- boxers (in my experience) tend to train positioning and cardio more and have a better track record of creating distance so someone can reposition and escape if possible. Inexperienced fighters also tend to be looking for ways to get out of a fight even if they started one and a solid hit will tend to shake people, where grappling tend to lead to all their mates hopping in.
- weight and size differences are extremely common and almost always in favour of the aggressor.
- the ground is not your friend, hard, broken glass and often uneven.
- weapons and makeshift weapons exist, I have been stabbed, I have been clubbed, and I have seen people be glassed. It is not something you get used to other than becoming way more aware of what risks you will or won't take. Stuff you don't expect like the girlfriend of the guy you are restraining taking out a can of deodorant and jamming it into you face / mouth.
I say this as someone who was on the average to smaller side depending on staff (6'3" 110-120kg average) and did have to rely on takedowns and restrains at times. But if it isn't your job and you had to choose just one, boxing will train you better for quick movement, eyesight acuity and endurance to outrun people if necessary)
3:01 you are my special
Ah naw 💀 😂
“Sport jiu jitsu” schools are where the best athletes/MMA fighters train, the whole “self-defense” take is for the day to day person who doesn’t want the intensity of competition classes, but still wants to learn the basics of bjj.
Exactly as someone who trains “sport” BJJ so much of what he says in this video is just outright bs to sell his self defense classes.
That's the whole goal though. The goal is for an average guy to survive a self defense encounter. BTW...MMA fighters train more self defense BJJ than any of the sport guys.
Yet we see less bjj and more wrestling + striking. Almost like less bjj is needed for mma!.
@@safdarkh786 exactly how I feel. BJJ is actually more simplified if you allow for strikes.
@@safdarkh786 except nearly every single person in every major MMA promotion is at least a BJJ blue belt and a significant percentage don’t have any official wrestling experience so it’s almost like BJJ proficiency is a prerequisite to be a professional mixed martial artist but wrestling isn’t.
I trained in Goju Ryu in my 20s. Partly for fitness, partly for interest, partly for self-defence. It was a great school, female Sensei, nice atmosphere and students. But ... there were two things I felt were missing - one was a lack of focus on the attack a technique was really supposed to achieve. You would learn a kick or punch - but not really the target that should be directed against and the physical effect you were trying to achieve. Break a bone, shock the liver etc. And the second was the tactics, the mental game, that is so evident here - that bit was missing from the "self defence" portion of the classes.
You visited my academy, learned from my teacher, and I missed you!? Big fan of the Karate Nerd. Come back and visit us!
Jackie Chan stated in his autobio book: "the best defense in a fight is a good pair of running shoes."
When he said 'you do what you can and not what you want' it reminded me of something my brother who was in the military told me. In his training for a certain section he was given this piece of advice by his teacher "You dont rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training and experience"
You are a very respectful man and a true karateka. Much respect
Disclaimer: I"m not a sport-BJJ hater, it's a great sport. But I ADORE this video, Jesse, because for me it really highlights why I enjoy this martial art so much in the first place (I started training with instructors of U.S. Army Combatives, which was based on Gracie Jiujitsu through Matt Larson); strikes are real and should be dealt with, fights start standing more than not, distance management is critical, mindset and tactical patience is key, etc. It even got me through the door into karate and other martial arts and explore them as a lifestyle.
From this humble student, thank you so much for looking at the martial art (as you always do) with an open mind and great follow-through!
We can always have criticisms of things we love. That doesn't mean we love them less.
@@carlcouture1023The way I like to think of it is if I didn't criticize it that means I don't care enough to hold it to a higher standard. My dad was an engineer and German immigrant in the US army for 20 years he didn't tell me he was in the first Army class to be taught by the Gracies until I was already a teenager and I thought I could take on my old man he made me look like how Renzo is making Jesse look rn, after I turned 20 I joined a gym that happened to offer multiple martial arts classes for free I've been in love ever since. Now I have a family of my own and I'm still always itching to roll but no one in my area has as much enthusiasm about it... Great stress relief though.
*I share my story with everyone that rages about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.* In the early and mid 1980's, I was training in Korean military style Tae Kwon Do; *it's the form of TKD that actually works and is brutality.*
Long before anyone had ever heard of BJJ, my Sensai was teaching it to us. He taught it to us so much, I sometimes took a month or two off because a 90-120 minute class would be 70-80% BJJ.
Anyway, what I did learn is most real fights for self defense turn into grappling. All the brutal kicks, elbows, knees and punches I learned were highly effective and necessary, *but ultimately we were being taught self defense with life saving techniques.*
As your video points out, sport fight training is pretty much useless in a real fight for your life. *Relative to that though, some fight training rather than none even if it's just punching a bag with no instruction will give you an advantage over most criminals that seek to do you harm.*
Pretty ignorant statement to think that "sport" BJJ practitioners can't absolutely wreck people in an actual fight. This is a completely and utterly ignorant take.
@@DanlovestriviumYou missed the entire point of the comment and video. How? I don't know 🤦🏾♂️
@@DanielDangana And somehow you missed this comment that I replied to. "As your video points out, sport fight training is pretty much useless in a real fight for your life.". How? I don't know 🤦♂
Some fight training rather than none even if it's just punching a bag with no instruction will give you an advantage over most criminals that seek to do you harm.
@@QED_ I've been saying exactly that for over 20 years.
He sits with a good meditative posture. He seems like a sensible teacher.
🤣wtf
Thanks @KARATEbyJesse for such an insightful look at jiu jitsu for self defence, as opposed to BJJ for competition
This is the jiu jitsu i wanted, but never got. Thats why i box and do judo now
never too late to start finding Gracie Jiu Jitsu!
Judo is the original BJJ, which is what I started practicing as a child and got back to recently. You can´t go wrong with judo!!
Facts@@gengotaku
@@gengotakujudo will be the same cus you need grips
@@gengotakuand the original Jujutsu from the Sengoku period is Judo & Brazilian Jiu-jitsu's predecessor and an excellent Koryu art.
Original purpose was used for hand to hand /disarming when wearing Japanese armour etc.
I really like that Gracie University keeps jiu-jitsu accessible to those who need it most. Smaller, weaker, older individuals CAN learn to effectively defend themselves.
By learning jiu-jitsu with the objective of understanding the most common street fight attack behaviors you can develop appropriate self defense reflexes to keep yourself safe in a physical altercation.
What danaher teaches is effective on competitive context, but also is brutal for mma or self defense. Just see how he polished the mount .
Nobody is knocking Danaher here.
Even Rener has acknowledged (in an interview with Paddy Pimblett) that Danaher is the best sport BJJ coach of all time.
Danaher also coaches MMA fighters and so does Renzo as do members of the B-Team and DDS.
Beautiful, That’s how I like to see the martial arts, like a journey and style of life, no a competition. Maybe a competition with myself
I respect his grandfather a lot. Thank you, Grandmaster Helio.
I have discovered more about karate training jiu jitsu than i did for years training karate only. At least more about MY karate. Nice video sir. The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
You both guys just made the best video showing what is jiu jitsu
What a compliment! 🙏
This is why Christ Haueter says “practice the sport, think street” best of both worlds - And if your school doesn’t practice takedowns or your game is based around exposing your face underneath someone, it’s not applicable in a real fight.
Thanks for chiming in! 👍
Sport makes you engage to win, you win in self defense when you don’t engage.
I truly appreciate Jesse for his humility, open mind, and willingness to learn. It’s admirable mark of a true martial artist.
When I tried Jiu-jitsu a few years ago at a Gym, I would always get crushed. The ego driven purple belts and above love to show how they could dominate a 6'4" 240lb man. Now at 43 I wanted to try to learn again and I was blessed to find CJJF in north Dallas. I absolutely love the school to me it is self defense focus and the students try to build one another up not just dominate. Anytime a student comes and try to be a smasher the Professor get into the a**. Then they would leave. Also do stand up Muay Thai at the school. The instructors are top notch.
This is the side of MA no one talks about…. It’s mostly crazy egos out there. People act like there’s this extra “honor” or “respect” these guys have
As a fellow big guy I get the frustration, I've been very blessed to have classmates not so ego driven to take out the giant. They get to practice on the giant and not hurt me, I promise to be a good partner and not spazz out and hurt them
Thank you sharing this..
I’ve been training in Gracie jiu-jitsu for over 20 years..
The beauty of this urban fighting self defence system.. is that it’s forever expanding, it never rests on is past conquests..
I’m forever expanding the techniques
Refining them..
We have always trained with strikes (elbows, knees, headbutts and verbal language too) etc..
Plus the mental and emotional state you have to be in, in a physical or self defence situation or confrontation.. has to taught too..
Some of the stuff taught in Bjj schools will get you seriously hurt or worse..
So common sense and a clarity of what would work or not work in a real life scenario must be paramount..
And also to add the dirty tricks/techniques must be shown also..
because in a life or death situation you MUST become the person who becomes the predator.. not the victim
As a traditional karate practitioner (shito ryu) who NEEDED the self defense but grew so much from the Do (way) of the style, I cannot express how much your channel means to me!
In striking, you might get lucky with a punch, but in grappling, luck doesn’t exist. Submitting someone, especially a black belt, takes skill and precision that you can't achieve by chance. Rolling with a black belt is like a father wrestling his young son-the difference in experience is so massive that it’s not even close. Believe me, that's no exaggeration..
In 65 and I've been interested in martial arts since I took Judo at the Buddhist Academy in NYC as an 8 year old kid. Over the years the single form that more of my experienced martial arts friends (who ranged from a sport to a self defense focus) quit their school to convert to was BJJ. I honestly don't have a concrete way to explain this so I watched this video with this curiosity in my mind. Very well done video by Jesse as always!
I used to do judo in college. Our sensei showed us the massive difference between sport judo and traditional judo.
"Real" judo is another martial art, much more complete
Much of what is in this video is there in martial art judo (which is not a surprise!)
I practice judo in Japan and focus here isn´t just competition but randori always us to pressure test our technique and improve. Judo is BJJ with proper takedowns, whereas BJJ became a martial art with only ground work.
Totally agree. My Sensei passed away a few years back. I spent 10 years learning from him. Lots of good stuff. Promoted to Sixth Dan before he passed of stage 4 lung cancer. Trained BJJ and a few others for a few more years after. Retired from in-gym training and competition 8 years ago. Am now 41 and looking to resume once again. I'm not interested in competition, just training.
@@gengotaku On the other hand, one can say BJJ is judo with proper groundwork, lol. They're both great arts, just with a different emphasis on groundwork vs throws. A bjj black belt will destroy the average judoka on the ground, while a judo black belt will destroy the average bjjer on the feet. One should try to learn both aspects as best as possible, but easier said than done.
@@kev0247 Are you aware of just how much "proper" groundwork there is in judo? Apparently not.
That's awesome! Thank you for another great video!
As a 4th degree black belt, I 100% support this video!
Lowkey legend commenting here. You da man Rikki!
Oh shit Rikki Rockett!
I trained in Tang Soo Do for many years, I tried to bring the self defense mind set as much as I could to people doing tournaments to realize the difference. My father taught me years ago a person will play like they practice.
I had a karate teacher for many years who was a Gracie student. Amazing teacher. This fellow reminds me of him a lot!
Finally someone teaching something in bjj that is relevent for self defence, what a smart man he is
He's teaching it the way his grandfather intended it. He never went away from the roots of bjj.
@Illbebacc if all we did was that though it would get boring. It's actually not that difficult to get the better of an untrained person in an altercation.
@@Illbebacc That's pretty absurd since the Gracies always marketed themselves with competitions.
Competitions are what made bjj legit in the first place and what keep it legit today.
@@MrCmon113 little to no rules competitions. It's not absurd.
@@MrCmon113 how else are you supposed to market self defense?
Remember folks, the most important thing to know about self defense is the flashier amd cooler the move, the more damage it does to your opponent
lol WHAT?!
Lol
If you train at a school that is training for competitions, I guarantee you that it will no problem taking down your average person on the street, maintaining top position and otherwise dominating. That being said, train some self defense as well by incorporation some striking while rolling and things you can do while standing/being grabbed.
So, as someone who's trained both I agree with you about comp bjj players having no problem. But I also think that someone who trains at a Gracie school, for example, will be able to handle the situation better at a lower rank than someone from a comp school.
I've seen comp bjj players basically lost until the fight ends up on the ground. Then, they go to work and obviously get the upper hand. But some white belts at that same level have been able to control the fight better than that blue or even purple belt from a comp school, cause they came from a self defense school and had more experience dealing with strikes and takedowns while being hit.
As a white belt, we had class mates and instructors putting on MMA gloves and throwing hands, while we had to use bjj to "survive" and control the fight. I've talked to higher level players who've never trained with strikes involved at all
You don't need to roll to protect yourself or kill someone, bro. This hitting the ground bullshit is something that the Brasilians concoted to get people to go to their system. It's a joke. Most of us who saw that shit 30 years ago knew that it was a scam and so it continues to this day.
love this- in a real fight there's a lot of useful psychology that practitioners of any martial arts lack training on
That thumb nails got me hooked bro HOOKED
I am a student at Torrance Gracie. You only saw a very small section of the curriculum. We do take downs, punch defense, kick defense. knife defense, bat defense, gun defense, we hone the basics to perfection. It's almost the reverse mindset of sport BJJ, and it's all in the mindset. I can control the fight from the bottom, conserve energy and tire my opponent out. In sport they call it stalling. Gracie is about timing, balance, efficiency of movement, patience, doing the right thing at the right time, not an all-out war. I don't seek submission they just happen. Sport BJJ guys don't last long, Gracie is a lifestyle for me slow consistent understanding and progress. Gracie Jujitsu is real fight oriented, what it was originally intended for.
Beautifully put, sir
You can't control jack shit when you're not actually practicing it. And practicing something with real resistance is a sport.
The only reason any part of jiu jitsu isn't bullshit IS the sports.
That's why bjj practitioners are in the UFC and Japanese jiu jitsu practitioners are LARPing nerds.
Brother you can’t control a street fight from the bottom. If you don’t do live drilling / sparring, you can’t properly learn the techniques. Tiring somebody out from guard is a terrible strategy, respectfully.
@@MrCmon113BJJ people are also often larping nerds too lol
Most people getting in fights are in grade school. Adults getting in fights is rare because of the consequences. In grade school, kids generally just need to know how to strike the right place to make a bully stop. It'll be really dangerous for a kid to go to the ground because usually bullies have a friend bully around to help.
best self defense is a gun. nuf said
Ryron Gracie is doing an ungodly amount of PR for the Gracie family.
So what's your beef, he loves what he does, and Jessie came to Ryron. Also without Ryron father introducing the world to BJJ what would it be now. Know your history
@@BOBBOB-tx7ox Being good at grappling does not make you likable. While being able to let go of your ego does.
@@AlorandWhere is the ego in this video? What are you talking about?
This presentation could have been made about me. I always, and I don't even know why, go balls to the walls and exhaust myself. I need to work to keep myself safe and capitalize when the opportunity arises. Great advice from a great teacher. Thanks for the video.
Years ago, a student in my weight training class, a brown belt in Gracie JJ, came into lift one day but was feeling dejected. He and I frequently talked BJJ because I had been a Machado JJ student. When I asked him what was wrong, he said Rorion Gracie had just told him he must begin competing. When he said he wanted only to train and wasn’t motivated for competition, Rorion kicked him out of the school. If true, that was pretty brutal. So, I’m glad to see Ryron de-emphasizing competitive BJJ. I know how important competition was for me during my tournament years in Shotokan. It made me a much more confident and efficient karateka, but competition should be the practitioner’s choice.
What a great instructor, great attitude and philosophy.
do you not find him cringe as hell?
As a security guard grappling is extremely important to restrain somebody, and jiu jitsu is real
alright i hear you but can we take a moment to admire the shape of this man's head 0:27
How on earth did you see that so quickly 😂😂
I love that for demonstrating how the urge to act can be a mistake he used an example where he lost, shows a ton of humility.
It's true what he says about your comfort zone.
I remember when I sucked at doing Tiger Uppercuts from the right side of the screen. Ryu would always beat me when I dropped the combo
This is the only martial art I’m actually belted in.
Butto-no Mashi
@@ZenSponge I'm an 11th degree belt in Spam-Haduken
Good to see you.
Thanks
@@KARATEbyJessebad to not see you
That's some badass BJJ that I would like to learn, not the guard pullers obssessed by the groundwork you see everywhere on youtube.
its the combative course, you can actually sign up online and learn it from your home
I would NOT recommend learning online. Real world experience is where you learn to deal with real world fighting. Go to each of the bjj schools in your area, and ask them if they also teach self defence as part of the curriculum. Keep going from gym to gym till you find one that does. That's what i did. I would recommend gyms that have strong Gracie bjj principles. Once you sign up, remember to ask the coach what would be best to do in a self defence situation when learning a new move.
@@DeepsGnome Online learning requires at least one training partner.
In person is preferable, but people have started online, grown their own training groups locally, then turned those into full-fledged, full-time businesses.
@@tjl4688 as long as that training partner is already experienced, to be able to 1. present you with a challenge. 2. to be able to inform you when you practice the moves incorrectly.
@@DeepsGnome Oh, you will be shocked be the level of details from the videos. It isn't like any of the instructionals you have watched. Its designed and explained for beginners
Jesse - Sir, this is one of your best videos ever. Honest and sincere and to the point. You clarified the differences. ❤
This is why I got engaged with your channel. You are constantly challenging yourself and your ideas. Mr Gracie spoke with so much wisdom... and he seems a young man.
let him cook up in this video
I must say these 2 brothers Rener and Ryron Gracie are so wise and very eloquent.
What a nice and thought provoking man Mr Gracie is.
Mr. Gracie, You are SO right in your approach. Everyone should learn these life skills.
I would like to see these disciplines taught in every school.
Thanks, Please keep up this vital work!
In Indonesian Pencak Silat ❤ high levels of technical grappling are combined with powerful striking techniques as well as in Filipino martial arts!!!
Discovered the difference between combat and sport oriented jiujitsu huh?
Mind blown
Jesse u should do a wado ryu karate video
All one has to do is look up Takagi Yoshin Ryu and older versions of bjj... Takagi Yoshin Ryu was literally made for samurai guardsmen. Arresting techniques. Ultimately it's all the same
Really impressed with Ryron's teaching & demeanor !!
Just like the class was not what Jesse expected, this video was not what I expected. Very well done!
Fun fact! In Brazil, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is just called jiu-jitsu! 🥋🇧🇷