Quirks of the IWI Tavor 7 7.62 mm bullpup rifle
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- I had previously posted a video talking about problems I seemed to be having with my new IWI Tavor 7 rifle:
• Issues with my IWI Tav...
I promised I'd post a follow-up video after I got my T7 back from IWI. IWI checked it out and there was no real problem with it but there were some quirks I discovered about the gun in the process which I wanted to share with new and prospective owners so that you don't have any issues like I did.
The gun itself is a great rifle - there are some peculiarities about its operation and the manual however that would be good to know about so I hope you find this video helpful.
Please note that all gun manipulations shown in this video were done either with an unloaded weapon or with dummy rounds in the chamber.
this aged like gold!! i lve this man, he was just upset he didnt know how to operate the weapon. its all good brother! im gonna get one of these and was doing research and found this video!! i hope he loves the rifle now!
Thank you for the update. All of the info you covered, answered the exact issues I also found.
I just experienced that safety/charging handle problem today at the range! I'm glad that you can help confirm that I wasn't just losing my mind!
I've own a T7 for about 2 weeks now and I never mentally considered this issue. I must have just racked it on fire every time I've dry fired it and put it on safe after racking without thinking about it. I'll definitely be trying this out when I get home! Thanks for the heads up. Still love my Tavor, it sure is divisive in the community though.
Oliver, I saw your previous video and am glad you have your Tavor 7 back have gone shooting and are happy with it.You have provided good information for tavor 7 owners. Happy Shooting enjoy.
Saw you’re previous and the follow up video. Just bought the Tavor 7, and this is valuable information. Thanks for sharing!
I haven't heard of other T7 gen models but my T7 does not restrict the charging handle if the safety is on or off, with no mag or with an empty or full magazine (had them over 4 years now), it has been fully disassembled/reassembled a couple times and easily 2000 rounds through the T7 after the last assembly without issue. I also have a couple other caliber x95 that has gobbled up over 8000 rnds of .223 and 2000 rnds of 9mm with zero issues so I am quite familiar with the design. Not sure if my comment is relevant but it is my personal experience with this bullpup design.
Thanks for the review, I just bought a Tavor 7 this past week. I’m not sure if they changed anything since your video but mine hasn’t shown itself to have any of the issues you’re experiencing. Hope your still enjoying yours.
Mine doesn't do this either
That is not how my Tavor operates. It will charge no matter what position the safety is in. However, there is more initial effort in charging with the hammer in the up/fired position as you are initially pulling against the hammer spring and the recoil spring, but it will still charge just fine. Either your Tavor 7 had its own problem, or IWI changed things as mine does indeed charge no matter what position the safety is in. My serial # is 120xxx. Also, my recoil mechanism can be removed with the safety in any position and even with the hammer up/fired, it just takes extra effort as you are fighting the hammer spring as the recoil mechanism has to depress the hammer on the way out. It can be done but I agree that its much easier to cock the hammer before removing the recoil mechanism. And I also agree that the omission of the built in BUIS in the Tavor 7 is the only thing that keeps it from being perfect, so I can only give it a 4.9999999 out of 5!
Mine operates the same as your, it will charge in any position!
Just bought my tavor 7 and that feature did exactly what he’s talking about with the charging handle getting stuck when turning on the safety after it failed to discharge a round. I also had the gas tube on the lowest setting and that’s why it wouldn’t eject the round. It honestly not a big deal because it never happened again after the first mag. Still love it and worth it!
WOW Thanks I just got mine and noticed the same issues you saved me a lot of aggravation.
FYI I double checked mine and the weird thing is whether on SAFE or FIRE I can pull back charging handle. Albeit easier when on FIRE but still cycles. Not sure if anything changed in the manufacturing (just got mine this year). I did give it an ample CLP bath and its silky smooth.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope we see your input in the next version of the Tavor 7 user manual. I love my new Tavor 7, but I did notice the charging issue. Looking into the chamber is a sure way to tell if a gun is loaded, whether the safety is on or off, so it is odd from a safety standpoint. Some liability concern, probably. I am still hoping IWI releases a 20" barrel for the T7 some day.
Give us a update to yours
Hey man the barrel it’s already in the market. Did you any video with the configuration, please I wanna see this configuration and the aiming
I just bought a 20 inch barrel up here in canada
So I'm pretty sure this is a result of how the IDF handles firearms safety.
The Israeli's Infamous practice of carrying without One in the Chamber. Whish is a bit misunderstood by most people.
First the reason they do this is most of their population is required to serve in the military. So you have people that aren't in the least interested in learning firearm safety. They didn't choose this. It's basically a requirement.
So, on base or boarder patrol, they carry all of their guns with no round in the chamber.
For the pistols they have a special chamber flag with a casing attached to the end inserted into the pistol. That way it's easy for anyone walking by to see that their gun is clear. However all they need to do is charge the pistol, which ejects the chamber flag automatically.
For their rifles, which for most troops is still an M16-M4, they have a special magwell magazine carrier that holds the magazine horizontal under the magwell. Again making it easy to see that the gun isn't loaded. This carrier is designed so it can be pulled out and rotated to insert it in the gun while the carrier is still attached to the magazine.
Now there are exceptions. When they are in an active conflict zone or beyond their boarder they have one in the chamber. This practice is only for when their on base or on patrol inside the country.
Also there are different let's call them social classes in their military. There are those who serve because it's a requirement and there are those who serve by choice. They aren't separated in the service directly however they are treated differently by one another and by the command structure.
The ones who served by choice are the ones who typically serve on the front lines and work their way up in the ranks. Oftentimes those people are allowed to carry their firearms loaded and sometimes even conceal depending on their position. They are also more likely to be issued Tavors rather than m16s/m4s.
The ones who serve out of necessity are typically on reserve inside the country and are the ones who perform border patrols. There are of course exceptions but the biggest take away is that their structure isn't like most other standing militaries. Which is why there are so many differences.
You forgot the most important reason. Serving in the IDF the enemies (local diverse population) typically try to take your weapon and shoot you with it. Carrying empty gives them the advantage in that common situation.
Good video! You have made me aware of a problem I did not know I had. I guess I just don't normally put the safety on with the hammer in the fired position. I have had my T7 for about 3 months and haven't had any problems what so ever. Thanks for making the video.
I found this out the hard way. I managed to charge it and got it bound up with a live round in the barrel. Had to pry the trigger pack out to avoid accidental hammer drop while trying to remove the bolt assembly😬
Oddly enough the instruction manual for the Tavor 7 implies that you should be able to charge the weapon while on safe. Here is the complete Functions test from the manual. Step 9 is the step that implies this.
1. Visually inspect the weapon and verify that it has been
assembled properly.
2. Pull the charging handle to the rear and release it. Verify
proper and free movement of the bolt assembly.
3. With rifle on “Safe” , press the trigger. The hammer
should not fall.
4. Set the Safety to “FIRE” , position and press the trigger
until the release of the hammer can be heard.
5. Pull the charging handle to the rear and release it. Press the
trigger again and hold it to the rear. Cycle the bolt again.
Slowly let the trigger move forward until you hear/feel the
trigger reset. Pull the trigger and verify that the hammer is
released. This verifies that the trigger properly resets.
6. Insert an empty magazine into the magazine well and verify
it is held by the magazine catch.
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7. Charge the rifle and verify that the recoil mechanism is held
in the rear position. Release the magazine and press the bolt
carrier stop assembly, verify the recoil mechanism is
released.
8. Charge the rifle and check the ability to set the safety to
“SAFE” .
9. Verify the ability to charge the rifle when the safety is set
to “SAFE” .
This video is a big help. None of those issues are deal breakers, but as you said the manual should not be so confusing and with a brand new rifle like this a lot of people are still learning these quirks and nuances to the weapon system. I too am a bit put off also by the fact that the previously integrated back up iron sights are not present on the Tavor 7.
As an aside, nice to see your SAR Tavor. I guess I am not the only one who likes the SAR better than the X95?
So explain why you want to rack a round with the safety on? that makes no sense. I fire ARs and AKs all the time. I never rack a round with the safety on. Hell I only put the safety on when I'm done with them right before I put them away. Also if your practicing dry firing why are you engaging the safety to begin with?? Its always good to know but its like revving the gas when your car is in neutral then complaining its not smoking..
I believe CATM instructors teach students to clear a weapon by putting the firearm on safety, drop the mag, clear the chamber (charging the weapon), and check safety again.
Dude I was going to comment on your last video because I noticed had something to do with the safety on my gun as well but I thought yours actually had an issue that’s hilarious
Very helpful, thanks
Great information. Thank you.
I figured out pretty quickly for myself that to remove the BCG you had to charge the weapon. I hadn't noticed the issue with hammer down safety on issues, but if I get a misfire or stub one I won't panic now. Good video's. I have the X95 in 556 as well, both are great pups.
I have the ts12, been looking at the Tavor 7 seriously for purchase now that it's been out for a bit. Does it produce decent 100yrd groups for you
@@Dade_Soulja 1.5-2 moa at 250 yards; standard ammo 150gr., FMJ. Better ammo produces better results, but I'm not a sniper if you know what I mean, lol.
@@John-zs2eo thanks for your input.. I'm a moderately accurate shooter, but am limited to the distances i can practice at being in a big city.. outdoor ranges aren't that close..
Thank you for the info on it, I read through the thread you posted about it and have my own tavor 7 on the way to compliment my ak-47.
Very well articulated! I hope to buy one this summer if gun prices go down.
The CZ scorpion is the same way. You can’t charge the gun if the safety is on.
I can charge my CZ scorpion micro with the saftey on no problem.
Junk
I think the safety charging handle thing functions much like the new Galil SARs manual of arms. Thank you for posting these videos. Ive got a hankering for the T7 again. A couple of things im weary about is
a. Mil surp ammo might get light primer strikes
b. My Tavor 556 was super gassy ( with and without a can) and im not too sure if the t 7 is about the same level or less gas in the face.
Hahahahaha!!!
I thought I just had to man up, thanks for the tip with the charging handle man.
Despite your trouble with your T7, you’ve kept your humor about you..that’s awesome. You’ve handled it extremely well IMO. I hope it’s been handled to your satisfaction. Take care..
Ha, after watching your video I went downstairs and tried my Tavor 7, mine racks safety on or off, dry fired it put it on safety and it racked just fine.
Yes you are right the hand grip is held on with 5 mm but the manual says 6 mm .
It's all very simple. You NEED to thoroughly familiarize yourself with all of the firearms you own - there can be no alternative. End of. Full stop. Period.
I know there are people out there who don't like dropping a hammer on an empty chamber, and with which I can agree. You can lower a hammer on handguns without a problem providing you don't have slippery fingers. I've never had any problem doing it that way and for this reason I hate decockers, for the unnecessary complexity they add to the gun. Apart from that, I don't like dropping a hammer on a loaded chamber and hoping that the mechanism will arrest the drop.
You CAN lower the hammer in a semi-auto rifle by pulling the bolt back far enough till the bolt slows down when it hits the hammer. Once you release the trigger, the hammer will harmlessly follow the bolt into its resting position.
Thank You so much as I was about to buy. But your discovery of the demarcation issues between the older and newer product and manuals IMO speaks to a larger quantity control issue. Perhaps profits and lack of quality control have taken priority. Thank you, you saved me allot of money and instead went with the superior SFAR IMO.
Got my T7 last night. Charging the rifle with the hammer forward and safety on is the same as with hammer back and safe off. Sounds like there's something wrong or binding with your trigger pack.
VERY good. Thank you, sir.
Great Video... The Tavor 7 Has It's Quirks... But It's A Good Battle Rifle... CQB And Out At Over 500 Yards As Well...
I just picked one up and i guess they fixed this.
Thanks for info. Sounds like their technical writer needs to spend a little time proof-reading his work. Having some non-shooting staff provide feedback after trying to follow instructions would be a good idea.
Good follow up video. Thanks for the great info.
Love the Brad Pitt analogy. Pretty sure that means Angelina Jolie supports this gun ;p
Great vid and no shilling.
Thanks for the updated video!
M16 lock and load was a bit strange in 1960's as well.
Recently I got my Tavor 7 20". Before receiving it I had watched both of your videos regarding Tavor 7 quirks. I haven't got a chance to test fire it but handled it with dry fire at home. I noticed it was really hard or impossible to operate the charging handle when Safety is on IF I hold the rifle vertically. However, if you turn it 90 degree and hold it horizontally with the charging handle upwards, it is almost as easy to operate it as Safety is off. Please try it.
Thinking about picking up a 7 myself in the near future. I'm mostly used to operating AK platforms, so hopefully with my muscle memory this won't be an issue as you literally cannot charge the AK with the safety engaged.
"Uh, Mrs. Suwiggins, could you come in here please?"
I can barely feel a difference racking in safe or fire ,, after watching your video , I think I can feel a slight "hump" to get over when in safe mode , but its so minor that it may just be in my mind.
Me to. I noticed it right off before this video was ever a thing. I'm pretty sure it's a result of how the IDF treats firearms safety.
The reason for that lockup is as a hang fire delay safety........... Its actually very smart, stops you from ejecring a roun out that could potentially go off like a mini grenade..... In a battle situation that safety would not be turned on after a hang fire you would just jack a new round in amd keep rolling..... They made it idiot proof..... More of less
Great info!
Is there any way you can buy a rail with the iron sights from a Sar and attach it to the tavor 7?
Enjoyed the follow up on the video. However, even with the rifle on safe the weapon can still be charged and it doesn’t take the much force as witnessed here. Also as with any weapon system training would negate any of those issues on how to act accordingly under stress. Either way good write up and I’ll pass the info along to the people in Israel.
The rifle can be charged with the safety engaged and the hammer in the cocked position, no problem. It's when the hammer is in the fired position and the safety is engaged that substantial effort is required. My Tavor 7 exhibits the same "issue" discussed by Oliver, under those specific conditions. Perhaps the amount of effort required will decrease as the rifle breaks in -- I don't know. At the end of the day, though, I cannot think of a situation in which I would need to manipulate the charging handle while the hammer is in the fired position and the safety is engaged. This is an interesting feature, with (so far) no explanation, which, IMHO, won't make a difference in the way I handle, train with, or use my Tavor 7.
I own all 3 Tavors. You are over thinking this. I’ve never had an issue.
Good video / review. IWI should be paying you for proof reading their manual & catching the omissions.
Of course the real question here is who actually reads the manual to anything?!
My complaint has always been with the AR15 & the inability to engage the safety without charging the rifle.
Wait!!! There's a manual? 😆
Saved to favs
So, safety off to manipulate the bolt.
Got it.
I didn't know this Tavor 7 has been out 3 years now. I'm left handed so my opinions are slim pickings. I'm looking for a all around rifle that's short but can still reach out there. Do you still recommend this riffle and how far out have you been able to hit the target?
Maybe you got one of those California models because in California guns have
strange requirements. No joke.
Very good presentation. SEMPER FIDALIS.
Thank you.. I will purchase a 7
Yep figured that was the problem
Thx!
I would normally chamber a round, then remove the safety. It's weird that on the tavor it's backwards.
a lot of aks dont let you charge the handle if the safety is on. but unless you're an ak guy you wouldn't know that
I have had my 7 for a year now and can't love it more. IWI makes amazing products that are battle tested. I am not an expert on firearms. However, I did notice that your "empty mag (I presume) is where the real confusion is coming. In an engagement if one has a malfunction, the magazine should be removed so not to double rack a round. Just my opinion.
As taught by US doctrine, the magazine remains inserted for immediate action, which is to tap the bottom of the mag, rack the charging handle, sight in, and attempt to fire.
@@dwarvenlaw3087 Maybe in a heat of combat situation, but as the man said, double racking and you won't have a good time...
I think you need to understand basic operation of your weapons. If the hammer is in the fire position (up) it is blocking your recoil system. Did you try pulling the charging handle to remove the recoil system ? Did you think about dropping the trigger group first ? An M240 can be taken apart a number of different ways, all with the same result. The Tavor 7 and X-95 were made to cater to the American gun market. The weapons built to Americans who can't adapt other than a AR frame of mind. I took a carbine class a number of years ago for the hell of it. I out classed all the other students who were using AR's. The Tavor is a great weapon,you just have to have an Israeli frame of mind. I hope you enjoy your Tavor 7 and learn from it. You will.
Also always state wither your weapon is clear. Explain that you are using snap caps or plastic training rounds. We don't want someone shooting themselves trying to replicate your actions.
I have never use the safety my finger is the safety 🤷🏽♂️
Excellent info.
Great info thanks.
I've seen video view of this firearm. Does it use steel ammo .308 or not?
Dang, good to know.
Get it sorted out?
My 7 works fine safe or not safe, can charge with zero problems.
With the magazine out?
@@WlNDOW Both, smooth as silk...ZERO issues. Im impressed with it, kind of an impulse buy, but Id been wanting a BP for some time.
Thank you
2024 T7 doesn't have none of the problem you mentioned
If Cyrus from trailer park boys has taught me anything it’s “safety always off”
I guess I'm confused as to why you can even put the safety on with the hammer down. THAT'S the weird feature. Most firearms that I've owned, you can't engage the safety unless the hammer is cocked. Even when I was in the army, if the hammer was forward (on both the M16 and the M249 (SAW), you couldn't put the safety on
Ok maybe this wouldn't stop me from looking into a T7 at some point but being unable to clear jams without having to turn the safety off seems a little dangerous.
Dumb design. I wonder if IWI will do a product update.
DEAL'S GAP! Yeah!
My norinco type 81 dose the same think it’s just how the safety works
You would think the safety nazis would prefer you charge the weapon while in the safe position to prevent inadvertent discharge.
On you first video you called IWI. They didn't tell you this over the phone?
I'm sorry not trying to be rude but this is common in many types of guns. I guess most people assume when you can afford a gun like this you have a good idea of how most military grade firearms work.
Hi bro. I just got my Tavor 7. Can u tell me whats the proper way of racking it?
Tell me if im doing it correctly- i rack the charging handle and put it in that notch. Then I load the mag. Afterwhich I do the HK Slap and the pull the trigger.
Do I need to put the Safety off to rack it in the first place? Or I can rack it w either Safety On or Off?
Another thing. Can I rack it just like I rack an AK or AR? Meaning - load the mag first and then rack.
@@awesomeeagle198 You can rack the handle with the safety on or off but unless IWI have changed the design with the safety on it'll take a lot more effort to pull back the handle. Other than that the handling of the T7 is the same as any other modern rifle like an AR only with the mag well in a different place.
@@23gt17 Appreciate the info. One last thing- i have a CZ Scorpion Micro ( PCC) and the only way you can chamber or rack it, on your first shot, is to rack it and put it in the notch ( just like what the Tavor has),and t hen load the mag. When youre ready to fire - just do the HK Slap and pull the trigger. Thats the only way of charging on the Scorpion.
But as you said- on the T7, you can do it both ways, the HK Slap and the normal way you rack the ARs or Aks. You load the mag first and then rack it. I just wanna make sure about that. Thanks a lot.
Well the beT part is you k ow your gun not busted
Sweet
So basically, your hard to charge “problem” is non-exist.
Dude, IWI stands for Israeli Weapons Industries, makers of weapons for the Israeli Army. Do you really think your comments are an issue?
Maybe mine is broken then. I can charge it while the weapon is on safe.
I thought my T7 was like yours, but I re-watched the video and saw I had missed the part about you have to dry-fire the T7, then put the safety on, and then try to charge. Doing that with my T7 results in the inability to charge it. You might have omitted the dry-firing part (like I initially did).
Assuming you racked the charging handle sans magazine multiple times (as one does when clearing a rifle), why would you dry-fire and then engage the safety? The very act of dry-firing should let you know the rifle is clear and ready for disassembly or storage. On the AR platform, if you have a misfire, you cannot put it on "safe," you just drop the mag and fiddle with the changing handle (with the muzzle down) till you can clear the jam. The idea that you would put the safety on while trying to clear a jam in the middle of a firefight, you know, cause you don't want to hurt anyone, is insane.
On the matter of breaking down the firearm, all the safety is really used for is keeping the rifle from firing while in battery. Why would you try to engage it after dry-firing (taking it out of battery) to dissemble the firearm? I'm totally confused by this video.
Do you still have your Tavor 7? If so, do you like it? Dislike it?
Yeah, I still have it but I haven't used it very much. It's not bad but the changes they made make me wish it was more like my original Tavor SAR 5.56. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting but I wouldn't rush to recommend it either.
@@23gt17 Would you recommend the .308 caliber for my only rifle, or should i go with 5.56?
@@JasonNortwich If it's going to be your only rifle and you intend it for self-defence the 308 is overkill. 5.56 is cheaper and more readily available which means you can practice with it more than you will with 7.62. Ultimately, if you're going to focus on one firearm, pick the one you know you'll practice and get good with. That's why my go-to is my Tavor SAR 5.56 after all these years even though I have a bunch of other rifles. One of these days I might pick up a Springfield Hellion though since I like many of its features like the adjustable length-of-pull and adjustable gas system that the Tavor doesn't have.
@@23gt17 Thank you sir for the detailed response, I appreciate it. I've been considering both the SAR and Tavor 7 for a few months (about 6 months). I'll end up getting one of them this summer.
What the hell just happened at 3:37/3:38??? You're lucky you didn't just shoot your cameraman/dog/couch.
Tim Conway! what?
Makes no sense, If you have a misfire you will rack it first then put it on saftey,
Weird Feature.
The charging "issue" you are encountering is pretty odd. I couldn't get mine to have the charging issue at all. I've dry fired and then put the safety on and still able to charge it just fine. I couldn't tell any difference in charging the Tavor7 in any possible way. I would think that mine is now at fault of an issue but it runs perfectly!
Same here. Mine operates with or without the safety on, fired or not and runs perfectly also. I've also found that my Tavor7 is very, very accurate with my hand loads!
you should have become a mechanical engineer, microphone drop
Lol
You shouldn't own firearms
the Tavor SAR 5.56 is still the best AR made. The X95 is not nearly as good. I will never buy the Tavor 7 due to the excessive recoil demonstrated in some other RUclips channel reviews, especially when shooting in the prone position.
The recoil really isn't that bad. I think it's like a Scar. A Scar supressed or without its muzzle break is much worse that the T7.
Having shot the T7 upwards of 40K rounds I can it’s no more recoil than any other 308 I’ve fired.
@@VP_IWI how the hell have you put 40k through a tavor 7 that quick and what do you do to afford that ammo cost lol
@@TonyCOBHC666 Yeah really ,, im just trying to feed my Tavor 7 and the best I found was Lake City pull downs for $330 per 500 ,,, so 40k rnds would be $26,400
@@VP_IWI Nice. Actual user experience rather than the 2nd hand anecdotal claims from the usual keyboard operators.
Your first diatribe seems a little pointless when in comes to "real world battle" situations considering putting a gun into safety is never a first thought. Either the gun is on safe in a non hostile situation, or on fire in a hostile situation. the safety is your finger away from the trigger.
Secondly - Not really sure what the confusion is about the storage and disassembly issue is either. The hammer should never be left in the up position...(revolvers being the exception)
"dry firing" is a two step process - pull the trigger then cycle the action to reset the trigger...therefore you have simulated a full cycle of "firing" the gun. Seems like a no-brainer. They shouldn't have to spell it out for you to get that. >YOU< have a misunderstanding of how "dry firing" works. 9:00 - clearly shows you've been taught wrong (or not at all) on how to dry fire and clear a gun. This is not the fault of IWI safety guidelines. As far other misprints in the guidelines...ehhh. use your brain...none of this is rocket science.
Good luck and happy 2A freedom!
@rod5240 i dont know about all that. Just some slight misunderstandings of the basics.
Never dry fire any rifle.
Military rifles are dry fired routinely