You Were Wrong About Ichigo Kurosaki's True Powers! |Flame of Rebirth
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Ichigo Kurosaki's powers have been a point of conversation for many years. As crazy as it may sound, I do think We Were Wrong About Ichigo Kurosaki's True Powers and in this video, I dive into the nuances within the story that led us to this point. Enjoy!
00:58-Introduction & Spoiler Warning
00:59-Shinigami Battle System
02:27-What is Zangetsu's Affinity?
03:59-Ichigo's Bankai Problem
11:24-Ichigo's Zanpakutou Affinity Is......
18:48-The Truth About Getsugatenshou
23:50-Summary & Outro
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I'm going to say it shaters fate or breaks the balance of the universe itself
And also his infinity is Quincy or spirit base or more hollow base bc ceros and ect means that he can fuse it
Maybe spiritual pres control bc you know how he controls and balancing his speed and strength buff it's very illegal to not take in account that he is a hybrid ect means that he can't have a true bankai bc he is everything and nothing?
We have to talk about his son also bc he is even more important bc he's ♾ amount of things also
Getsuga tenshou is a technique that is from his father's clan I'm not sure if he's father's father had it bc it's strange bc the final getsuga tenshou is the last resort move but a getsuga it self is more likely to be a normal clan move bc we would have seen azien ect use it I could be wrong tho
The Getsuga Tenshou technique amplified by Ichigo's hollowfication was already evident way before Horn of Salvation. Back in the Arrancar Arc, whenever Masked Ichigo blasted a Getsuga Tenshou, both Grimmjow and Ulquiorra noticed how his attack resembles more of a hollow's Cero than a Shinigami attack. On the other hand, here's also one scene in the manga that foreshadowed Ichigo's true nature: Right before he became Dangai Ichigo, Fused Tensa Zangetsu said ""...This Tensa Zangetsu was originally you yourself..."
I think ulquiorra says that his bankai getsuga is weak when he's not wearing his mask, he later says that ichigo's power seems like arrancar abilities but it simply is not, it's like he's saying ichigo's power pales in comparison to the power of a vasto lorde espada or something, that it's a pale imitation of arrancar power. That foreshadows his transformation into an actual hollow where he uses an actual cero.
Even Ulquiorra try to stop it with his 2 hands and failed!
@@pumkin610 foreshadow for ichigo to use actual cero huh? Well, i will say this, the moment he use cero to fight against QK(quincy king) doesn't make me surprised at all, it is common thing, the reason i said that is shinji who use actual cero to fight againt grimjow, in that fight i was think "why ichigo can not use actual cero, never even at all(until episode 366), even ginjo can do that, so Why should i be surprised.
@@User5hdbh You got a point!
Something tells me that bleach can still go on after it ended, i mean there could be more to explore and one of the things that is never talked about is the human world, why does only soul society and hueco mundo and such have unique supernatural elements and not the human world but that's just me, i really hope there will be more bleach in the future.
Remember, when Ichigo went for Bankai training, he never had an Asauchi... rather, what he stabbed into the Tenshintai was a Spirit Weapon similar to what the Quincies use. It's no wonder that the Quincy spirit, Yhwach, as the one to manifest. In fact, thinking it through, I'd say that Ichigo's first 'Bankai' is more like a twisted version of Vollstandig taking influence from Zangetsu's power.
Looking at it further, I'd say that without an Asauchi, Zangetsu was never capable of manifesting through Shinigami power. Whenever his power was manifested it was always through the Hollow spectrum, with the mask and, later, the Resurrection. Yhwach can manifest because of Ichigo subconsciously relying on the use of his Quincy abilities.
I firmly believe that Ichigo has never driectly used his Shinigami abilities until he gets an actual Asauchi. At best, he's used a bit of the power that bled over to Yhwach and maybe a bit of residual Shinigami power in his Hollow state.
I'd argue that when he uses fullbring and later when he becomes a shinigami again; he begins to use his hollow powers because using fullbring required his badge which is like a substitute Asauchi; it's not as efficient to draw his shinigami powers out but it's a start. You can especially see it in the barbed shape of his bankai which resembles White's blade hands from everything but the rain.
This was mind blowing. Good stuff!
Good take but I have a few problems with this. Quincy abilities erase hollows from existence and Ichigo's zanpakuto has always purified them. He also used it to perform Konso
@@nunorodrigues320 That' why I said that Ichigo's Quincy abilities are being influenced by Zangetsu. While he has a Spirit Weapon instead of a Zanpakuto, the fact that he does have Shinigami abilities, through Zangetsu, means that it's inevitable that at least some of that would bleed over. That's why, despite not having an actual Zanpakuto, the Spirit Weapon can function similar to one.
Especially when you take into account two other factoers: 1) Ichigo produces a LOT of his own Reiatsu so he can't really control it that well. 2) Ichigo doesn't know how to manipulate Reishii, so he has to use his own Reiatsu, which is only 1/4 Quincy, to get things done.
Yo thats wat i was thinking aswell
Ichigo's ability to utilize Sonido, which allows him to cause his spiritual pressure to vanish in order to bypass an opponent's sensory ability, is a hollow skill that I haven't seen the Bleach community discuss.
edit: Ichigo used sonido in his vasto lorde form. As a result, Ulquiorra was able to tell him apart by using a flash step (which is silent but can be sensed) and a sonidoo ( which is loud but cannot be sensed). for those who were curious
Technically speaking he can use hyrenkyaku too .
Also he can dawn a hiearo too .
Ok so ichigo can have a hiearo with blut vain and instant regeneration . Now that's some beyond Wolverine level defence .
just realized ichigo probably can use arancars sonido ,soul reapers flash step,and the quincy version of flash step(i forgot what is called)
Ichigo can only use it in full hollow and maybe Horn of Salvation. He can’t use the Quincy High Speed Movement because he literally doesn’t know how to manipulate reishi.
But he mastered Shunpo/Flash step in like half a day and mastered Fullbring High Speed Movement after a few days, so he’s most likely using one or a combination of those consistently
He has the potential to learn all 4 but keep in mind Ichigo uses his own fighting style rather than the perfect fighting style
@@jocoolshow We'll have to wait for Hells Arc to finish. He might whip out a Sonido Hyrenkyaku Shunpo mixture, and stuff like a Hiearo, Blut Vein. I'm also interested if Ichigo has a 2nd bankai because Kubo has confirmed that his bankai is just a sheathe, and Ichigo chooses to remain in this bankai form but can revert to dual wielding. I'm sure, he has a new badass bankai that shows his true potential when all his powers fuse into 1.
And he's a full bringer too so he also has bringer lite
In my opinion Getsuga tenshou is technique unique to the Shiba clan. The condensing of one's spiritual energy sounds like a Shiba trademark as exemplified during the soul society arc where Ichigo and company learned from the Shiba clan how to condense and concentrate their spiritual energy into a ball. Another example is when Kukaku can condensed her spiritual energy into a punch to breakup ichigo and Ganju. My theory is that the Shiba clan can condense their spiritual energy and meld it with their elemental affinity to produce their own unique Getsuga tenshou (Isshin= fire/plasma, Kaien=water, Ganju=earth, etc). Ichigo on the other hand inherited her mom's elemental affinity (hollow trait and Quincy trait) both of which are just pure energy hence why there is no element present and is also the reason why he can fire it like a cero/quincy arrow.
On a side note, I found that the Shiba clan have some similarities with the Quincies as they seem to have a specialty on reishi manipulation/concentration and I found that the Final Getsuga Tenshou was eerily reminiscent to the Quincy's Letzt Stil. Another similarity I found is that according to the CFYOW novel the Shiba clan was also opposed to the sealing of the Soul King much like how Yhwach and the Quincies were against it. It can explain why the Shiba clan were treated as the black sheep of the 5 great noble houses and their subsequent removal of their noble status. Just my take and as always great video.
Excellent info!
His father having the same technique proves your point, also the fact that isshin knew about the final getsuga tenshou yet mostly likely never used it kinda suggest that it was a secret technique that only the shiba family had as a last resort
Seeing this and considering how Isshin Shiba fell in love with a QUINCY just makes so much sense
I can Just Feel The Kubology seeping into my Brain Already😂😏
Fun side thought, Getsuga Tenshô is a generic attack principle. The name and shape of the reiatsu wave may be Shiba specific. But when ichigo was training to rescue rukia, wasnt kisuke using the same basics ichigo described, to use Benihime's ranged attacks.
The other thought though is that what if Ichigos affinity is just Reishi in general because of his quincy blood but Ichigo is simply most familiar with manipulating Hollow reishi due to constant exposure.
I ask that as Quincy are usually compressing reishi to make their weapons and the bankai of ichigo was just more, "you're a Quincy, Ichi" foreshadowing..more than just the change of his clothes.
One thing is certain, Ichigo's Hollow side sure has gone all out in getting him out of very hairy situations. Be it his battle with Ulquiorra or his confrontations with the best of Gotei 13, the Hollow within has allowed him to survive and then go all out. Even if it endangers those around him especially allies/friends. Ichigo's hybrid power are as much his legacy as him being a savior.
The hollow is his real soul reaper powers so it makes sense.
I wish we could have seen more of Hollow Ichigo he was always fun plus if he and Ichigo switched places Orihime would be 1 of 3 things already 1 his girlfriend 2 in his bed recovery from sex 3 a ring on her finger
And you know that I'm right
@@godofwind200 You mean the true Zangetsu ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@victorampo1137 yeah but you know what I always thought Zangetsu & Ichigo Hollow merge together now this was before I even knew about Ichigo heritage which I found out in the Death battle of Naruto vs Ichigo
Honestly I think Ichigo could fully Hollowfy and not become a hollow himself. I think if he truly obtained bankai he would be the reverse of a soul reaper. So that means reverse colors his ausuchi would start in bankai and then downgrade to basic form. White means pure or basic could also mean purely basic which could tie into his pure instincts as a reverse version of a soul reaper. So he has no affinity because the hollow basically purifies then the Quincy takes over to shape it best it can which creates an arrow like shape.
This why I love bleach man. You can always come back and dig even deeper into Kubo's work. Every time you re-read you notice something subtle and new. KUBOLOGY>>>
Easily the best Bleach content in RUclips. No one bothers to go anywhere near was deep with the material like you. Even if you turn out to be dead wrong the logic is there.
Really?
That's sad.
Seems like content that should have been figured out before the final fight with Aizen.
Story core so far.
Ichigo is a freak of nature whose very soul is connected to all 3 spiritual races of Quincy Soul Reapers and Hollow. He's strong ASF because of this but because he's kinda stupid and left in the dark he's barely comprehending it all. We're just now getting to the Quincy aspect and the idiot has only reached stage 1 as a soul reaper but he's reached a higher level with his hollow connection though no where near full potential. He has zero real shinigami techniques and he hasn't shown a real Bankai yet. Which is why they're unable to steal it now.
This guy just made one of said races a mere affinity. I thought when he mentioned affinity he had something profound.
I will argue all of this information was always there, it's one of the things that lead me to come to the conclusion that and that proves more the point that Ichigo was never lied by either of his spirits like he claim on the chapter "The Blade is Me", what did Ichigo told Byakuya Zangetsu ability is? Well you said it "At the moment of the attack it *consumes my Reiyoku* and fires a super high concentration of Reiatsu from the tip of my blade". Note the words i remarked, what was it that Hollows that consume their families search after to try to fill the holes that their heart left? That's right people with strong Reiyoku which produce strong Reiatsu. And it gets even more deeper Ulquiora compares Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou with the Cero, i beat that the true nature of the Getsuga Tenshou is a family technique which adapts to the natural afinity of the user, Isshin uses fire, for Ichigo is pure Reiatsu because of the hollow nature.
And it gets more interesting, when you take that perspective and put this little phrases also into context said by both Zangetsu. Old Man Zangetsu tell Ichigo at the beginning of his Bankai training that "Only one of them(Multiple Zanpakutou's that appear) is the real me(Zangetsu). I(Yhwach) can only be defeated by that sword(True Zangetsu)" along with the phrase of White Zangetsu "You fight with your head! You try to defeat your enemy with reason! *But how can you slay with a sheathed sword?* ". This 2 phrases right here, pointed out the truth behind Ichigo's Bankai that we didn't see and that Kubo had to come out and said it himself... What else could be hidden that we hadn't seen? There are so many little hints, like i pointed out.
For example, something that i believe, it's that Zangetsu, doesn't have an ability beyond amplyfing the strength of Ichigo's Reiatsu, it's just give him more power. Why? First the poem that Ichigo has regarding how before he obtain Shinigami powers, he desire for "A blade *strong enough to break fate* ". He didn't desire for anything else, or overly complicated, and Yhwach said that Ichigo has changed fate multiple times with just his power, so it can't be the power to defy fate, because then Ichigo could have undo his loses, no, it's raw power, it's the raw power that he keep gaining, because sometimes, you don't need this overrefine or plan thing to succeed, you just need enough determination and willpower to achieve that, and Ichigo just keep on trying, keep on growing until he adquire the power to do it.
It just fits the kind of punk that Ichigo is, breaking fate through raw power and a blade that gives him even more. And heck, it could be that the final swing, because it was with an unsheathed Tensa Zangetsu was even stronger then the Getsuga Tenshou we saw Ichigo land on Yhwach... And all because Yhwach just keep trying to destroy Tensa Zangetsu not realizing that Ichigo wasn't going for the kill, but his defeat with a sheathed blade, and he was the one to unsheathed it and seal his death.
Nice video. When you started talking about affinity, my mind just went "huh, Ichigo must be hollow type". Very nice job of condensing many things from a long series into 20 min video. Ichigo is the true definition of "He is just born different".
P.S. where Orihime part 2...
It would be hilarious if Ichigo was basically pokemon with 4 different types when everyone else has only one type 😂 ICHIGO IS BLEACH'S AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER!
@@xezzee underrated comment 😂😂😂.
Ichigo has no affinity because a hollow is just that a human who lost their heart which means they lost their affinity to the element they best represent. So no matter what Ichigo does all he can think about is he needs the power to protect his friends and family there’s no affinity in that just pure energy that’s full of hollow reiatsu. Which the Quincy part gives him a few extra abilities in the process.
This would make Ginjo's Ban Kai, using Ichigo's power, make a whole hell of a lot more sense to me. The white hair, the bone armor, the bone accents on his sword. It felt a whole lot more demonic than I felt was warranted. It felt like Kubo was giving us a visual representation of Ginjo turning evil. The idea that he's gained a hollowfication of his abilities makes a whole lot more sense and I accept this theory as head canon now.
Exactly
Now that's something that didn't even cross my mind. For one I believed that Ginjo should have his bankai since he was shinigami substitute, but now that I think about it, it makes sense. Shinigami substitute. I always put more focus in the word "Shinigami" since he was doing the same thing as a shinigami (and the best example we had is Ichigo himself). But if we focus more on the "substitute" part, we cas see that it is someone who does the same job but isn't the same. As in "I do the job of a shinigami but I'm not one myself" type of thing. If this is how it's supposed to be interpreted then he isn't a shinigami, doesn't have any shinigami powers, doeasn't have an asauchi and therefore can't have a Bankai of his own. And that seems to coincide with the fact that he was never stated to be a shinigami and while he was shown to wear shinigami clothes, that doesn't mean anything. Orihime, Chad and even Uryu (enemy and oposite of a shinigami) were wearing those clothes as well.
@@martincibik3997 that would all make a lot of sense except it’s already been confirmed that the reason Rukia knew about the Soul reaper process is because it had happened to Ginjo first in the past
@@That_Guy_Antonio now that is something I didn't know about.
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Apparently, Isshin's Getsuga Tensho is different from Ichigo's. According to Kubo on his fan club Q&A, Isshin's Getsuga is a close ranged attack in which both fire and reiatsu are released in the form of a slash. Meanwhile, Ichigo's is a projectile attack of highly concentrated reiatsu.
I think Ichigo just chooses to use it more often as a projectile, not that it is inherently a projectile. During his Bankai fight with White; White showed him how much more effective it was when used up close vs as a ranged projectile. Ichigo even tried incorporating this style in his fight against Ulquiorra when he wouldn't "release" the Getsuga, merely let it's power amplify his swings. It loojs more like his fighting style than his overall ability
@@ATurtlePuncher Sure, Ichigo can switch it up. But his is _generally_ a projectile. I'm going by what Kubo said in his fan club Q&A.
A bit late, but maybe Old man Zangetsu teach him to use it like that because is how a Quincy arrow would work? Is technically a similar logic for both attacks but one is with a sword and the other with a bow. Then Hollow Ichigo teach him to use it more close range and in more creatives ways.
@@luisz0339 No, the way Quincy's create weapons and projectiles is by absorbing the reishi around them and using it with their energy. Shinigami materialize reishi from their own souls into their Zanpakuto. Quincy = Outward, Shinigami = Inward. This was in chapter 49. And in chapter 161, Ichigo explains that at the moment of an attack, his Zanpakuto consumes his reiatsu and fires a super high concentration of reiatsu from the tip of his blade. Then the attack is magnified and discharged. That is what the Getsuga Tensho is. Again, Shinigami = Inward.
@@Grognack that could be simply explained. If ichigo is quincy (and not even pure-blood) that never trained his quincy abilities, then he isn't able to use all his quincy powers, such as reishi enslavement and absorbtion. So he literally charges up some reiatsu (he emits/expels some reiatsu to his surroundings) for his blade to absorb and shoots it as an amplified swing/projectile.
After all if Getsuga Tenshou is a technique that absorbes the "affinity" of your abilities, then it makes sense for it to absorb his quincy powers since in the begining ichigo didn't use almost any shinigami abilities.
When you have the base of it mixed up you can get to wildly different end points.
Ichigo's zanpakuto affinity is not hollowfication. The real difference between the vizards and Ichigo is that they don't recognize their hollow powers as their zanpakuto. When they taught Ichigo to subjugate his hollow, Ichigo ended up being alot like them, that is, having an incomplete and extremely limited form. Kubo confirmed that the Vizards could gain a ressureccion but I guess they'd need to accept their hollow powers as part of their zanpakuto to properly hollowfy and merge their powers like Ichigo did. Also Tousen used the name of his zanpakuto to enter ressureccion so he was able to merge his powers as well. The horn of salvation form is completely different from a shinigami hollow hybrid because Tensa Zangetsu only looked like that when the quincy portion was added so that appearance is due to quincy powers in the mix.
Anyways, Ichigo's zanpakuto affinity is amplification through compression, just like Isshin's. The difference is ofc application. Isshin's zanpakuto is not exactly a fire type but it is in a sense, he can ignite his compressed spirit energy but I guess like Kubo said, he doesn't really release it from the blade. Ichigo's bankai follows this affinity by not just compressing the reiatsu on his sword but all over his body. This highly dense reiatsu increases the speed and power of his attacks and also adds increased durability. His getsuga now has an increased factor because his spiritual pressure is already compressed then is absorbed and compressed even further on the sword to create a far more devastating attack we know as the black getsuga. Isshin's bankai might also have a similar effect considering a wound could prevent him from using his bankai. I wouldn't consider getsuga to be a kind of thing that is passed down per say. Think of it like Toshiro and Rukia's zanpakuto. They have very different powers but can both be considered ice types. Yh Rukia is temperature lowering but at face value it's an ice type. Rukia can't use guncho tsurara and Toshiro can't use hakuren, but they can both send a flash of ice to freeze something in place. You can think of getsuga like that block of ice. Ichigo is just a noob who hasn't gotten any special variations yet. All he can do is mix basic techniques that can individually be replicated. He hasn't yet produced his guncho tsurara or hakuren so to speak.
The final getsuga tensho is just a nutural technique that is a result of the compression affinity.
Love your content bro 🙌
I know I left another comment, but I wanted to putt his separately...
Essentially, based on what you're saying there are 3 different things:
Affinity - The inherent nature of a Zanpakuto's manifest abilities
Ability - The individual nature of a Zanpakuto and its overall capabilities, unique to an individual.
Technique - An ability an Zanpakuto can use, so long as it's Affinity and/or Ability allows it.
So, Isshin's Zanpakuto Affinity is Reishii/Reiatsu compression, its Ability is fire manipulation compression, and a technique it can use is the Getsuga Tenshou, though one mixed with fire.
Ichigo's Zanpakuto Affinity is Reishii/Reiatsu compression, its Ability is Hollowfication/Resurection, and a technique it can use is the Getsuga Tenshou, though one comprised of Hollow Reiastu as well as Shinigami Reiatsu.
However, in Ichigo's case, he also has a separate source of power through his Quincy manifestation, (The Hollow/Shinigami powers were merged, as stated in the manga), which he later forges alongside Zangestu to form his true Shikai/Bankai.
This means that Ichigo's second Zanpakuto becomes thus: Afiinity is Reishii/Reiatsu compression, its Ability is Quincyfication/Vollstandig, and a technique it can use is the Getsuga Tenshou though one comprised of his Quincy Reiatsu and his Shinigami Reiatsu. (Getsuga Jushijo is the combination of these two conflicting Getsugas.)
This means that, likely, his original Bankai might actually be the Resurrection form we see when fighting Ulquiorra, because he doesn't have an Asauchi to manifest that power through. That's why Horn of Salvation, later on, doesn't need to be a full-on Resurrection. And, since he now has an actual Zanpakuto, the manifestation of his 'true' Bankai is the blade that combines all aspects of his power.
So, likely, his 'true' Bankai is simply getting access to all power of a Resurrection and a Vollstandig, and all the implications that carries with it.
I think you’re half right. After he gained his true powers, you hear Ichibei say that Ichigo is now a “true” Shinigami. This suggest that Ichigo was never a Shinigami to begin with - in-fact I think Zangetsu was never a Zanpakutō at all, instead he was imitating a Zanpakutō. He is the main source of his Hollow powers, just like the old man is the source of his Quincy powers. What I’m saying is that “Shinigami” power he was using was just pure Hollow power, so he was never lying when he said he was Zangetsu. This is proven when the old man said it was always the hollow that helped him, and that he himself never helped him except on a few occasions (vs Zaraki, and vs Yhwach).
It’s also a known fact that Shinigmai aren’t “born” but instead made. This ultimately depends on how much spiritual power they have. So enough spiritual power = can become Shinigami. Isshin was a Shiba, and thus had an insane amount of spiritual power (which is why he could become a Shinigami in the first place). Ichigo inherited that same spiritual power and that mixed with his hollow powers - creating that buffed hollow we see today known as “Zangetsu”. The old man was also buffed by this Spiritual power because it was stated that Him and the hollow share the same body (which essentially just means that they are both apart of Ichigo’s spiritual power - think of it like this: Ichigo’s power is a spectrum one side is full hollow and one side is full Quincy. The old man blocked most of this spectrum off because he didn’t want Ichigo using it)
Ichigo was never a Shinigami because he had no Asauchi (which is another requirement needed to become a Shinigami), he was only a true shinigmai when he absorbed Rukia’s powers (and of course at the end of the series) and her Zanpakutō in the process. Zangetsu manifested his powers through those “Shikai” and “Bankai” we see throughout most of the story. He’s able to do this due to the memories within his spiritual power from his Shiba ancestors. Thing is, this was done with only a small portion of his power (the part the old man couldn’t hold back) which is very impressive.
When “Zangetsu” is reforged with an actual asauchi, Ichigo says “i’m sure you are both Zangetsu” what he really means is “i’m making you both Zangetsu”. Basically, the whole spectrum of his power is used to remake his Zanpakutō, essentially making the old man and white both Zangetsu in the process instead of one just being Zangetsu. Both powers then come to balance with each other, but if the one of them were to be disturbed, then that power will be the one expressed the most (HOS vs Yhwach).
Zangetsu essentially has dual abilities that oppose each other. In Shikai, these opposing abilities are balanced (neutral), but can be disturbed (which is most likely the Shikai’s ability). And finally, in Bankai, these abilities are combined completely and Ichigo’s power are fully expressed.
This is my interpretation of it so I may be wrong.
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If you think about it, Utahara was the one who explained getsuga to ichigo during their training (soul society arc). This proves your theory that getsuga is a technique.
I've always wondered why Isshin knew about Final Getsuga Tenshou and all that. But if it is a family ability, then that explains it. Such a great explanation and video.
Ichigos soul plane/inner world allows him to combine quincy and hollow reiatsu without destroying the parts of the sum.
His new bankai combines all three reiatsu types into one blade while his hos form is ichigo finally being the "king" zangetsu believed he should be. Ichigo accepting that the hollow is him along with old man zangetsu as well.
I think that's ichigos special ability, to combine hollow and quincy power without it destroying both spirits and him being able to not only use those powers but to compress those powers in his bankai and unleash massive amounts of power and speed, speed so quick one wouldn't be able to counter it probably even with the almighty, which is likely why yhwach didn't take a split second to snap it, he knew ichigo was far more dangerous in that form especially with him properly using zangetsu (using the full extent of his hollow power while being under his own minds control). Imagine if ichigo had time to train with his bankai? Or if he used the final getsuga tenshou again? His new bankai is basically just like using the fgt since he's combining all of his reiatsu into one, the only difference is his body isn't merged with his sword, but he doesn't need to use that technique now since his power is much greater, omz is not holding back his power anymore and hollow ichigo has accepted ichigo as the king of their world and ichigo has accepted them both as he himself which means all he needs now is training to master drawing out the hollow power whenever he wants it and also he could remaster his fullbring to amp himself even further, if he used fullbring to bring out the maximum potential of both zangetsus, who knows how powerful he could be.
Also, I think there is much he could learn from both hollow zan and quincy zan, combining sklaverei with gran rey getsuga could be a massive attack, or combining blut arterie with hollow regeneration so he wouldn't have to use vene to protect himself while enhancing his physical strength and attacks. There's so much ichigo could theoretically do, I've even wondered if his inner yhwach had a piece of the originals almighty, ichigo might have higher potential than prime soul king. Anyone else agree?
Another thing I should bring up is that ichigo did the same thing when he combined gran rey cero with getsuga tenshou, ordinarily that would seem impossible, it surprised even yhwach, but ichigo did it on the fly. I think that's one of his best traits is being able to nail down things most others can't.
Honestly I do agree and I’ve always thought his fullbring should of been far more than what we seen. Not to mention his own unique hollow fullbring mask.
@@radicalred474 you're right, I find it interesting how we never saw use hollowfication while in his fullbring state either shikai or bankai, it could be a matter of fullbring reiatsu being very similar to hollow reiatsu but that doesn't change the fact his inner hollow is his zanpakuto spirit and the only visual resemblance was his bankai sword resembling whites original arms that he used as swords.. perhaps because the reiatsu used by so many people to restore his shinigami power didn't contain hollow reiatsu within it? Maybe that's why Haschwalth was able to slice through it so easily when gin stated before that his og bankai felt like it would break his own sword?
@@Oromanowarful I think they should of emphasized more on his hollow honestly. I think that full bring should’ve strengthened white. No matter the amount of the Reiatsu they used I think it should of just restored him to his black and white form in the start. Tho I think it should’ve just made White stronger I find it curious that they basically nerfed the fact he is a living hollow. And I think it would of did him Justice to show that going through this completed this hollow. I would of loved to have seen a fullbring that resembled the white that attacked his mom in the start and then with the addition of souls reaper power restored a more powerful version of black and white Ichigo. I mean honestly what would it of hurt if Ichigo lost it over being betrayed like that he snapped and accepted his hollow there and gave into white completing not only his fullbring but making his soul reaper form more hollowfied like who’s in his inner world.
White is goated
Ichigo is literally a Miracle of creation in his verse
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There is but one canon instance in which a zanpakutō is "shared" between two shinigami: Kaname Tōsen's Suzumushi. In the novels, it's stated that the zanpakutō of Kaname's friend, Kakyo, was named Suzumushi. And we know that Kaname took Kakyo's blade from her coffin after Tokinada killed her and used it as his own zanpakutō. When a shinigami dies, their zanpakutō dies with them. But even so, Kaname managed to gain acess to his late friend's zanpakutō, with not only its original name, but it's abilities to a degree, as seen with Suzumushi Nishiki: Benihiko, while also adding his own power and personality to the blade. Why that happened isn't clear, there are some theories about, but it's a very interesting case. One that I think even deserves to be explored in it's own video
What if his affinity is "the soul" and his abilities are just manifestations of the different aspects of his soul?
Getsuga Tensho would just be an outlet for his reishi, something akin to a named technique from his family.
Bro I love watching Bleach content cause you learn new things. Whether they're canon or not, when explained it always makes sense
So one very overlooked part (in my opinion) of your assessment of Ichigo is how/why he has the certain powers he has. In the Seretei, every Shinigami is unique because they receive powers/zanpakuto directly from the swords crafted by Oetsu (the creator of the Zanpakuto from the zero division). That is why they have unique powers - they are given or earned unique weapons as shinigami. Ichigo did not earn his unique weapon in the same way - his Shinigami powers were directly inherited from Isshin which is why he obtained essentially the exact same techniques (while White is suppressed anyway). While Isshin's affinity is clearly fire, I don't think Ichigo truly has an affinity in the same regards because he's not really using Shinigami powers - he's immitating them (as Old Man Zangetsu explained, he never really wanted him to be a shinigami from fear of having to kill him). I think he's using Quincy powers under the guise of shinigami powers. While the basic technique of absorbing reshi is common with Quincy, I don't think Ichigo can grasp that he's using this technique when he fires his Getsuga Tensho. I think he's directly absorbing his own energy (because he has so GD much of it) like Ishida showed was possible in the seretei and firing the slash that way. Isshin's getsuga is fire because he draws in his own fire affinity to produce the slash, Ichigo is copying that technique with no affinity to it so he is just absorbing raw/unaffiliated power. This to me is more obvious at the very beginning of his powers because his slash was always blue - the same color as Ishida's arrows. Once White's powers grew and started to "corrupt" the Quincy powers is when the color starts to change to the red/black Getsuga.
though this might be a minor mistake on the anime, in the drawn coloured panels the getsuga tenshou was originally a white, yellowish colour on his shikai, while in his bankai it was black yes but with a gray-whitish tint which was later fixed in the tybw anime
i think its more hallow power base than Quincy, as his quincv powers were never dominate until the 1st quincy invasion. even grimmjow and ulquiorra thought it was more akin to a cero
I've been saying for a while that his weapon was a hollow manifestation and that his soul reaper power wasn't actually used until the war.
Well said and well explained. It has been made clearer and clearer as the story went on. The further use of his zanpakuto especially bankai leads to hollowfication early on. Ulquiorra compared Ichigo's getsuga with a Cero Oscuras. And then TYBW just released the details. Kubo didnt want to spell it out a decade later we're still learning from it. And that's one of the joys of reading Bleach.
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Very well done video. I really enjoyed this especially the definitive difference between ability n affinity n technique. Very good theory very well put together and researched and I actually thoroughly agree with this. It makes the most sense imo
Very informative. I m not as young and energetic as before and cant think on stuff as much as i like to. Watching you brainstorming and speculating bleach lore is very fun and enjoyable. Thanks man. Great video.
And my favorite video of yours is "The Truth About White Ichigo". This is close second.
No one has put a video like that, well done!
Rebirth, another thing to go along with your theory is looking at how fullbring powers come into existence. Wasn't it because one or both of their parents were attacked by hollows before they were born? That reishi was then passed down into the kid and mixing with their own to become the fullbring.
Thank you, once again, Professor Rebirth! Your interpretation of the various pieces of evidence fit neatly together like continents. I always felt that the nature of Ichigo's zanpakuto abilities was frustratingly vague and I find your conclusion that his zanpakuto is allowing him access to his hollow abilities to be so satisfying that I'm going to be disappointed if Kubo reveals otherwise. And remarkably your comprehensive definition of Getsuga Tensho was even better! And by extension Ichigo's black Getsuga Tensho would be his Cero Oscuras projected through the swing of his blade.
I think his bankai has both the ability of hollowfication and “quincification” since we only see blue vein once, and is when he is using his bankai. I could argue that’s the reason why when Yhawch stole his powers, he only lose Quincy and Hollow but no Shinigami.
Perfectly done. Best video I’ve ever seen on RUclips about ichigo’s true ability. I 100% back this entire theory. 💯
Perfectly said and done! Bravo! This is exactly how I have interpreted these events as well.
Great analysis. No one has broken it down like you trust me on that. I love listening to your analysis
Great video my man
Loved this dude
That was really interesting, thank you!
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This is the best, simplest, and logical explanation of Ichigo’s zanpakuto🔥
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Great work, that's super interesting !
You hit ALL of this bro! I been thinking the ENTIRE time watching the series back then every time I heard some sly comment/bread crumbs and after Rewatching it, its a CRAZY "AH HA" thing. BEASTLY work my man. Keep killin it
Actually there is a possibility, that Ichigo had obtained his bankai only in Soul KIng Palace. What he was using through the majority of the manha is simply arrankar's Reserrucion. Come to thing of it: in arrankar ark his reiatsu was twice called being identical to that of an Espada, when he is using "bankai" and hollofication at the same time. The stated ability of Black Tensa Zangetsu is stated to be compressing all of his reiatsu in a small blade, making it extremely dense. That is also a quality of an arrankar's Resurrecion. When Ichigo is in this state, inner Yhwach is younger as if his control over Ichigo's power is "not mature" or not as great, because Ichigo's hollow powers are dominating. And the last and most important: When Ichigo mastered Fullbring, which is also a hollow-based power, his Tensa Zangetsu covers his body completely, from neck to the tips of his fingers and his sword looks almost the same as original White's blade-arms. It appears to be, that Fullbring made 'bankai' even more hollow-like.
Why the only thing Black Tensa Zangetsu is doing is compressing his reiatsu? It's simple. This form was assigned with the wrong name. It's neither bankai, nor Tensa Zangetsu. It's something entirely different. So that's why Black Blade appears to be so simple. It has to have another name connected to it's actual powers.
As for other forms we know of:
1. "True Zangetsu" - his classical shikai. It's the combination of all Ichigo's powers(Hollow, Quincy, Shinigami and Fullbring) in one blade, as Yhwach and White had one body.
2. Dual Zangetsu - this is Ichigo's powers, when his Quincy and Hollow powers are separated from one another. One residing in "the blade", another - in "the scabbard". Most likely both this swords have a portion of Ichigo's shinigami powers in them. And Fullbring is manifested via his white cross-like armor.
3. Black or "old" Tensa Zangetsu - appears to be his Ressurection, with Mask and Berserker Form intended to be it's integral parts.
4. Mugetsu is likely to be some sort of Resurrecion Segunda Etapa, with , Shinigami, Quincy and Fullbring powers mixed into something new, similar to Yhwach's darkness that he used against Ichigo.
5. Fullbring is the simpliest, it's simply his Fullbring armor - vestige for it's ability which is yet unknown.
6. True Tensa Zangetsu - is the one and only true bankai. It looks as if it's really just buffed version of his True Shikai, which is a central piece of the new blade with white coating representing it's sheath as it's cutting edge. Echoes with words that White told Ichigo "How can you slay with a sheathed sword?" (apparantly quite good) It looks and likely functions as ten times buffed True Zangetsu, granting Ichigo insane penetration power and boost to all of his physical abilities. But the main ability of both Zangetsu and Tensa is also yet unknown. I believe it is connected to Ichigo's desire to have "Power to shatter fate", which is stated in chapter 205.5
We should be supporting Bleach so Mr. Kubo would have enough motivation to continue draw Bleach, and give us new info on Ichigo's and other character's powers and abilities.
Eh. True Tensa Zangetsu, as cool as it looked, is just a mediocre plot device for Kubo to attempt to deliver one of the last minute hard plot twists he's known for in his story telling. It just fell flat on it's face. The reason we still after all these years don't know what it does is because it was never intended to have an ability at all. It literally only exists for shock value.
@@ASNS117Zero that's extremely boring opinion to have, but I get it. Anyway, I don't believe, that Mr. Kubo is merely a pushover of a writer, so I disagree, that True Bankai is made only for writers pleasure, and not as natural progression of Ichigo's power.
@@WoolfMourn If what you say is true, why keep it to himself all these years? He has his fanclub. He's been asked to elaborate on Ichigo's power before. All we've ever gotten is gobbledegook about a blade and sheath, and confirmation that Ichigo can eventually learn to switch his shikai from single blade to dual blade and back again.
Sure, he might *eventually* make something up about it if he decides to do a sequel some time down the road, but the odds of us getting more than a few chapters of promo material ala the Hell Chapter are so bad that I don't understand how anyone takes it seriously. And it still wouldn't make me wrong - it would just mean that he eventually decided to give it an ability post script.
Mugetsu is an attack, not a form. Like how "getsuga tensho" is an ability of zangetsu. The form you're referencing is "final getsuga tensho" with one of its attacks being "mugetsu". and speaking of, it could also be a nod to his quincy abilities by the rules resembling the old "lets stile" that ishida used were he lost his powers. And on top of his "darkness" being similar to Yhwach's he also has red eyes like him.
@@ASNS117Zero I guess Mr. Kubo remained silent either because it's not really important for the story, since Resurrecion and Bankai are more or less the same thing mechanically, or because he is planning to show us Ichigo's Resurrecion somewhere in the future looking similar to Ichigo's Old "bankai", as a testament of his mastering all of his race powers and abilities.
I believe the success of Bleach TYBW Adaptation might give us a good chance of sequel to Bleach itself, not in a form of Burn The Witch.
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Nicely equated the building block of Bleach Universe though it is only the 1st one but great work man!!
Man this could give even more credence to the reason Ichigo could one tap Yhwach, a Quincy - who are naturally basically allergic to Hollows. Perhaps that's the real reason Yhwach feared his Bankai that much
Great breakdown and thanks for presenting a different perspective of knowledge presented before one thing though u mentioned the intertwining of shinagami n hollow but only mentioned briefly is quincy powers from his mom u didnt do a deep dive in how that ties in to his final zanpakuto powers/bankai u come do that in a future video after the anime finish or off the manga since its past the a anime
I REALLY hope Kubo continues with the Hell arc, there is so much more we need to see from Strawberry and his evolution with Zangetsu
You are totally on point brov!
Great video!
great vid
23:05 also his normal bankai getsuga. Ulquiorra himself said it resembles cero oscuras. he's mixing the getsuga with his hollow powers, which would be his zanpakuto ability.
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At the part you mentioned the Bankai training you had me. Great video man
Edited brainfart:
I think if Ichigo's afinity pr ability was something like "resonance" it would make a lot of sense in my head the way he can combine his different powers, his different soul "shards" in one. In that way, his first Bankai simply making him faster, given it is so influenced by his quincy powers, plus his stupid durability and stamina, would be his resonance enhancing his shinigami powers with quincy powers (quincies were shown as very fast and durable with their abilities, techniques and simply blood). His hollowfication and the hollow atribute he gives his techniques making them all the more destructive, enhancing regeneration, etc... would be the resonance enabling him to upgrade his shinigami powers by mixing then with his hollow. His grand ray getsuga and other "awakened" techniques are all being maxed out now that he's in resonance with all of his soul.
Again I do not knoe if this would be realy a technique, but I'd argue that knowing your soul, and that all parts of it are very distinct from eachother while giving you enlightenment, actually being able to combine those natures could be an ability as I imagine it is hard to do.
It's a far stretch but maybe something here will be useful or give you ideas, just as your theories open doors to speculation for all of us
Ok damn, this is a very well thought out and put together video. 🔥🔥
It was also very easy to understand, specially with the Isshin and Ichigo technique vs affinity/ability comparison.
Video was so good, I had to watch it twice.
Great video brother
I think you are spot on with this bro.
Love the breakdown
Very well done 💯👍
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I dig this
When you put it that way, it makes it sound like the entire manga / anime he was just running around with just pure strength and didn't bother to actually develop anything. In that case, his potential is really staggering. Sounds like he never even scratched his actual potential in the entire series.
I think that Ichigo is what the god of soul society was trying to do . Hes a Mix Quincy human and hollow all in one. I think in the end Ichigo will be on top of it all even over the god of soul society just as soon as he learns too use all his traits together. Just a thought
There was this theory going around back on Reddit back when white was revealed to be his true zanpakto that ichigo was using his fullbring instead of using bankai and people were saying his fullbring name was possibly called bankai, I mean i think it kinda make sense his fullbring ability is basically the same as his bankai that he used before the during soul society and arancar arc for example chad in the fullbring arc mentioned that ichigos fullbring changes his clothing just like his bankai did and than we get to the tybw and when ichigo uses his true bankai his clothing doesn’t change so I kinda like this theory.
I like this theory especially the part where his fullbring is called "bankai" 😂
Mind blowing video. I agree 100% with your theories... that's why I love bleach
I kinda always saw ichigo's power as perfect reishi absorption and adaptation.....every time he is exposed to something new it doesn't take him long and he has it himself...shinigami powers, hollow powers, cero, fullbring, blunt vein even in the hell verse movie something similar happens.....and all his true bankai is is the most flawless combination of all the things that make him stronger at the same time
You know for the longest time I was trying to rationalize Ichigo's ability in my head and I came to the conclusion that his Zanpakuto affinity was something related to spirit energy control seeming how all of his abilities seemed to revolve around making different use of it. For example, his getsuga can be discharged as a wave, a beam or even wrapped around his blade for stronger swings. Another example was his OG bankai how the cloak was an indicator of his spirit energy and how the smaller size made him faster. Obviously, It wasn't a perfect theory but it was what made the most sense to me at the time. However, hollowfication being the affinity makes SO much more sense. You have done a great service Professor Rebirth.
Never thought this deeply about it but this does make a lot of sense accounting the circumstances of his birth FR.
Ichigo's ability could be to write the future with his bankai because Yuha bach hinted at something similar to this.
Great vid
This video made me think twice and I'm making lots of theory's rn
You make a great point I also agree I always thought power wise always thought he was always at his base form I always felt like something was always holding him back
Great video man, it all made sense to me, I always saw getsuga tensho as a specific type of ranged attack especially since his dad used it, and could teach it to ichigo, basically like you said a type of attack and fighting style that allows them to extend their range and do damage to their opponent without being in physical contact with them, and his dad using fire, ichigo having hollow powers, remember ichigo was seen as a perfectly suitable replacement for the soul king should they need him there to stabilize the three worlds and reality, the soul king was seen as a very powerful being that had a mix of all the powers of the bleach world, so if ichigo is like the soul king then that means he has all the abilities of the different races as well. Now how he chooses to mix those together we don’t know everything yet, but I can’t wait to see how they flush out all his powers, especially now as ichigo is grown. Honestly I want to see ichigo get dominated, I want to see him get stomped so bad that he has to train with everything he has, not power increase but ability increase technique increase, forcing him to learn absolutely every power he has and every power combo he is capable of to come out on top, we know he is powerful and I think ichigo tends to rely on his raw strength a little too much, we also know that in that world if power levels rise too high it threatens to destroy worlds. So I want to see ichigo find a way around that limitation, a way to increase his power without destroying reality but also giving himself every advantage would be for him to learn every mix and combo of his hybrid powers to the fullest extent, that’s what I hope we get to see in the future.
Brilliant vid 🫡
I'm curious about how his potential Quincy capability factors in now. OM Zangetsu is a part of his Zanpakuto as stated by Oetsu saying "those Zangetsus". He has the potential to use Blut Vene, from when Ywach stabbed his neck and it activated and Masaki being incredibly proficient with it.
The use of blut vene is automathic, subconscious.
@Kaue Tadaieski regardless, in the second battle with Ywach, Ichigo had to absorb Quincy energy, from Ywach's attacks, into the larger Zangetsu blade in order hollowfy. That's why the blade changed from black to white.
That makes sense because that particular Hollow zombie combination is made from Zack's soul and the hollow that was employed by Aizen that attacked him
Even when Ginjo goes Bankai, he specifically mentions that he has the power of a Hollow mixed inside him and the resulting transformation also gives him hollow-like armour.
Fantastic analysis. Head-canon added.
great idea
Actually a pretty interesting analysis.
Really interesting video, well done!
But In trying to figure ichigo's powers and where exactly they come from, I've been thinking more and more about the idea that he gets all of his powers from Misaki and none from Isshin.
We know Shiro is a combination of equal parts of shinigami and Hollow, and of course misaki is at Quincy. But Isshin lost his shinigami powers and presumably conceived Ichigo through the special gigai he got from Kisuke, so how would Isshin pass anything on to Ichigo?
This would also make sense of the fact that ichigo's shinigami & hollow powers are inseparable, because they all come from Shiro, via Misaki
What do you guys think?
None of the above really. Shinigami powers aren’t inherited, but apparently spiritual pressure is as Nobles have higher reiatsu than others on average.
The only requirement to be a shinigami is above average spiritual pressure and an asauchi, but having strong parents increases your inherent potential
@@jocoolshow yeah, I see what you're saying, and I definitely think Ichigo being a Shiba is what gives him the ability to have so much reiatsu, but ichigo's shinigami & hollow powers being so intertwined (as opposed to say the Visords or Arancars) leads me to believe that they come from the same source i.e. Shiro
@@jsull81 they do come from the same source shown when Yhwach takes ichigos powers, we see Masaki/White not the actual representative’s of ichigos inner spirit. Yhwach took what he gave Ichigo which is what Masaki passed down, her Quincy had fused with white which was the poison that was killing her before Isshin helped save her.
Ichigo and Ishiin have different Getusuga Tenshou. Ishiins is strictly a close range technique whereas Ichigo can use it at any range
Well done.
Damn bro… Kubology… damn bro. Must hand it to you. A perfect insight on break down… nice one. Make very sense
Well Done
I wouldn't say it was inauthentic but rather that it was imbalanced. It relied heavily on his quincy power rather than his hollowified shinigami powers. So he ends up increasing his speed and output but it's not balanced so the output is less than it would otherwise be because he's restraining an aspect of his power. Even when he hollowfies, it's merely the mask. The top layer of his power. Which was kind of hinted at in the fulbring arc. That his inner power was vastly different than what ichigo displays
As an anime-only I literally came to the same conclusion. Great breakdown!
Love it and I agree with your theory
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We know ichigo's version of Getsuga Tenshou (the blue energy version) is his own spiritual pressure. It's the raw technique without adding your own Zanpakuto's affinity to it. After ichigo learned bankai and his getsuga started to become black, he always called it "White's Technique." Like the black Getsuga Tenshou is White's power. It makes sense since the Black Getsuga Tenshou would literally just be Getsuga Tenshou + Hollow affinity.
You just blow my mind
22:54 you also got to keep in mind, in the hueco mundo arc it was stated by ulquiorra (after ulquiorra went into his first ressurection to be precise) that ichigos getsuga is identical to a hollows cero (he said sth like; it's like a black cero.) to which ichigo was suprised and in disbelive...
Good video missing one thing, Urahara had a version of getsuga tensho too, he didn't call it out but literally when him and ichigo fight for the first time, when they are talking about instinct that is what he is doing.
Urahara's Z-ability is energy manipulation. Which is why he can mimic attacks like Getsuga and Cero and nullify bala's.
Also, I don't think it's 'hollowification', I think his power is more conceptual, Gin was great example of a conceptual power, yes his 'power' at the time was a poison, but he always could've been hiding other things, his 'concept' of his zanpakuto was a poisoned fang in the end, it was focused around the ability to reach any foe, and then defeat them internally.
For ichigo, zangetsu, or moon cutting blade, the idea in the end, white constantly hints at it, he's the fang chasing the king in an attempt to overcome them, ichigo consistently in story is seen as the one to bring down 'kings' or gods, even when it came to the Soul King itself, what if this wasn't Juha Bach's inclination, but White's?
That's an interesting take. I like it.
Think there's more to it than that, Ichigo should be able to use Quincy Techniques too and he does.
If you look at his regeneration it's shown as Blue Raishi but the hollow powers are Dark in Colour, Ulquiora cant repair internal organs but Ichigo can, i believe this is a combination of the Gathering from his Quincy powers and the healing of his Hollow powers, His Zanpacto in the end is made of both the Old Man and White, he should be able to combine the powers of the Quincy with his Shinigami set in the same manor
Hey thank you for sharing i am learning more of this thousand blood war arc i remember i got my dad in to this bfore his passing awhile back and then recently started hearing of this arc im hyped and may i ask what is the song at the end if you do not mind sharing
Interesting, it makes perfect sense.