AMD RX 7800 XT vs AMD RX 6800 XT Pros and Cons
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The AMD Radeon 7800XT is here and it barely beats the AMD Radeon 6800XT. The 7800XT is a good value proposition but a disappointment for the gamers who waited 3 years for an upgrade.
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🎬Chapters
🕒 0:00 - 7800 XT Release Date
🕒 0:13 - 7800 XT Sells out
🕒 0:48 - AMD GPU only 30 day challenge
🕒 1:52 - Gamers Nexus and Jay call out shady naming for 7800 XT
🕒 2:45 - Why RX 7800 XT instead of RX 7800
🕒 3:55 - Hardware Unboxed 7800 XT Cost Per Frame
🕒 4:32 - Why the 7800 XT is better than the 6800 XT
🕒 5:49 - Why the 6800 XT is better than the 7800 XT
🕒 6:12 - JayzTwoCents 7800 XT Die size
🕒 7:01 - Hardware Unboxed 7800 XT vs 6800 XT Performance Summary
🕒 7:47 - Gamers Nexus 7800 XT Benchmarks Review
🕒 8:55 - Hardware Unboxed 7800 XT Ray Tracing
🕒 9:36 - RX 7800 XT and RX 6800 XT Perform the same
🕒 11:04 - AMD Shifted the product stack
🕒 12:15 - Who Should Buy the AMD RX 7800 XT
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6800xt was the best investment i ever made. This card should last a couple of more years. Still gives me over 150 fps max settings 1440p in any game using a 5800x3d as well
Great CPU and GPU combo you got there.
I feel like people bought the 7800xt in the hopes that it would get better overtime similar to the 6800xt? Seeing the numbers and how they built the card it doesn’t seem like that’s going to be the case this time. Still blows my mind how the 6800xt is still so dominate. What a great card.
I agree! The 6800 XT is a great card!
I've heard that AMD will be using AI to improve drivers. Wouldn't the new AI cores help these new generation cards to have improve performance and better bug fixes?
@@lamjay6656 In theory, yes.
I got a 6750xt wouldn’t this be a good upgrade?
@@lamjay6656 Worst case scenario, you get a modestly more power efficient card which will likely be supported for longer AND have a higher resale value simply because people will know that it's likely to be newer and less used than any used 6800 XT. It already trades blows with the 6800 XT, and it has AI accelerators in it which could easily end up eventually supporting features which won't be supported on the 6000 series.
If i have a 5600 XT, should i go with the 6800 XT or a 7800 XT for an upgrade later down the line with my PC? Ik I'll have to get a new power supply to support the GPU n stuff but like, going from this current gpu to a newer gpu, which one would be the best option
As a owner if the 6700xt I see both options as great upgrades 😊
Im looking to buy a pc with R5 7600X /7700X would you actually recommending me buying new 6800xt or 7800xt ?
Good content. Love your honest opinion about tech. Keep it up.
Hi, I found it very difficult to decide between 6800xt and 7800 xt, both have the similar price, at the moment I have an ROG Geforce rtx 2060 - 6 GB, which one you recommend to choose between those two?
7800xt is smaller and has less power consumption. If you have a small build then 7800xt is a nobrainer
This guy is right, but if you at to upgrade other part in ur build and save money, take the 6800xt. In fact you are going to have 5% less performance than if u take the 7800xt but you save about 60bux, to upgrade, for exemple, your ram!
Buy the 7800XT it will have longer driver support and AV1 encoding unless the 6800XT is 10% or more cheaper. If it's $50 or more cheaper go with the newer version. I use a 6800XT and it is an awesome 1440P card but if I was to buy new today I would go with the 7800XT.
what about rx 6800 vs rx 7700xt
Only saving grace is electric bill. But I don't know does rdna 2 power consumption outrageous. Can someone tell me
why doesn't my GPU temp go up on my kraken 360 elite's display during furmark runs?...Furmark says gpu is 72c but the kraken display says 42c....wth??? the Kraken has always reported a temp that's around 10 degrees cooler than what my adrenaline software says or what hardware info64 says, and with all this variation from different softwares i dont know what to believe
Hey man! Love the video but i want a opinion if you could. Im thinking of buying a used pc with an rx6800xt and an i5 10400f with s b460 motherboard. What do you think?
How much is it?
@@ErockOnTech It's about 780 USD.
@@maxfulgertyco_o9421 That’s fair to be honest. I say go for it. It’ll get into PC gaming and then you can upgrade it later if you want.
@@ErockOnTech much appreciated man!
Anytime! @@maxfulgertyco_o9421
I was at my local scrap yard the other day and I spotted a 4060 ti 16GB in the pile and the guy was saying he could trade it for the car battery I was taking there to exchange for another one and I figured it wasn't even worth the effort.
Loved the video! This is the first time RUclips randomly recommended your channel to me, and I like what I see so far. I will definitely watch a few more of your videos!
I think the reason people are loving all over the 7800 XT is quite simple, really: people have been starved of affordable cards for so long now, first because of crypto, then covid, and then AI + Nvidia/AMD greed, that they were just itching to jump at the chance to get an actually relatively affordable current gen card.
Yeah, the 7800 XT is only marginally faster than the 6800 XT, and a bit more power-efficient, but a lot of people always want the new over the old. And the 7800 XT is likely to get driver support and will be better optimized for new games for much longer than the 6800 XT. This is important for people who buy their cards with the intent of getting many years of gaming out of them. I'm not one of them, I upgrade long before the card stops getting updates or even before game devs stop caring about optimizing their games for it, but I do understand that a lot of people look for value and longevity.
The 4070 is a great alternative to consider. While being 100 dollars more expensive (or 50 dollars with the non-official discounts to 549 we've been seeing here and there), and slightly slower, it has the RT and Frame Gen trump card that AMD simply cannot compete with. I personally don't care for either RT or FG, but I know some people absolutely love it. To me it's a toss-up between these two cards.
I'd probably personally go with the 7800 XT simply because the success of 7800 XT is going to force Nvidia to rein in their greed a little bit (as we've already seen with the 50 dollar discounts on the 4070 as a direct response to the success of the 7800 XT).
I can tell you're not a 70 class user. The frame gen and RT are so lacking as to be almost useless, even DLSS 3 can't make that card a good value.
so would the 7800xt be a downgrade from the 6800xt? as I've sent my for repair and they've replaced it with this?
No, it’s not a downgrade. It’s a slight upgrade. It’s a good card for sure. I was just saying there is no need to buy a 7800 XT if you have a 6800 XT. But hey, a free upgrade is a free upgrade! Congratulations!
@@ErockOnTech okay thanks man
@@cal7281 No problem!
I can get the 7800xt open box for $460 right now.. might just go pick it up tomorrow.. my 1080ti did well for the past 6 years.
Link?
Thanks for the video sir
I’m happy to do it! Thank you for the comment!
So if from where I'm the rx 6800 non x version is more expensive than the rx 6800xt and in comparison rx7800xt which has now solved the drivers problem now a better performing gpu than rx 6800xt is going 80% less than the rx 6800xt. Should i consider?
I’ve changed my mind on the 7800 XT now that I have officially reviewed it. Check out my review on the 7800 XT.
I have a gtx770, almost 10 years old (like my pc), she's dead this week and I'm trying fo figure out what gpu buy for my new pc. I'm a bit confused which one buy because 7800xt and 6800xt perform about the same, 6950xt a bit better, 7900xt and xtx are too high on price for the difference in term of performance.
Anything will be a huge upgrade. Check what ur budget is and go for that. If its like below 10% differents in price old to new gen i would get the new gen. If not and/or i was on a budget i would pick old gen.
I have a 6700xt, I know I don’t need to upgrade. I know it’s a solid GPU, but if you were to recommend a GPU to upgrade from a 6700xt, what would you suggest? Either from the 4000 or 7000 series?
The only cards with any value in either stack are the halo tier. You'd be better served waiting for next gen.
@@x8jason8x halo tier?
@@lordfrieza2848 Every product line has a top card, for instance the RTX 4090 is the nVidia halo tier.
@@x8jason8x This is true and best advice. 6700xt is monster card to be honest. It can run very good at 2k and even 4k but it depends on what game ofc. Also you have amd drivers and that resolution scale thing. Best move is to skip a generation or two and see whats what. Nvidia is a bad deal right now no matter what ppl say, hope it gets better for the benefit of us all.
I'm back here on a 1070 ftw. FPS and what not are fine for most of the games I play. They are optimized well enough etc. Though I have been wanting a new card. Things sell out and I go about my business like oh well eventually. I'm down for Starfield bundle though it's also on Gamepass, I don't like gamepass and assume mod support will be greater via Steam. My main concern is Tehchtober deals and Prime deals coming up. The lady keeps telling me to just get a new GPU. I just don't know if I want to wait out the sales on the 6800xt/6950 and maybe go with one of them instead :/
Hello I just upgraded my pc to an i7 13700k, however I do not have a GPU would you recommend a used 6800xt over a brand new 7800xt to save myself a few $$ ?? amazon has some great deals from authorized retailer for used 6800xt
Coming from a 5700 (MSI mech OC) I'm trying to figure out 6800xt vs 7800xt. They are $50 difference, im thinking I can save that money and put it towards a 1440p monitor
$50 is a very small margin. Get a 7800xt itself
Good video :)
Thank you 🙏
i'm looking to upgrade from a 6700 XT, and it's definitely hard to justify buying a 7800 XT when a used 6800 XT performs just as well for a fraction of the cost. i think i'd rather get a used 6800 XT or used RTX 3080
the 7800 XT is good but disappointing. i wish AMD did more, by not cutting the core count or using an inferior die
upgrading from a 1070, i ended up buying the base 6800 for $400, it seems like the smarter buy right now since it's over $100 cheaper on sale for a negligible performance penalty...
6800xt is 100 dollars cheaper in my village which one should i buy? (550 to 640 euro respectively)
This card makes sense to new buyer or those coming off a long needed upgrade. No point upgrading from a 6800xt that’s for sure unless you want new features and don’t mind zero improvement to fps.
Bought a 6800 xt in my first pc build. I have not had one single issue in a year of daily use. Such a beast.
Youre right about Av Joe expecting it to be the successor to the 68xt when I found out what they did I was. Pissed.
Great video, i am still keeping my 6800xt Red Devil edition for another generation at least, it is that great a card ♦️👍 Power Color is legendary with their extreme quality cards
Thank you 😊
Got my 6800XT for £375, has no issues whatsoever and was below market value. Very happy with my purchase.
It’s a great GPU!
I was in a hurry to build my PC last year in July, so around 2 months before this card got released. I went with the 6800XT.. seeing these videos about the 7800XT made me not feel guilty for making such a quick decision.
It is still an amazing card (7800xt), my friend has it and he praises it a lot.
Im building a PC, do you recommend the 6800 xt or the 7800 xt?
hows the prices look for both ?
@@Th3Fly1ngCowfor me here the price is. 505 for the 6800xt and 545 for the 7800xt.
@Th3Fly1ngCow the 7800 xt is going in and out of stock, the cheapest I've seen is $500. The cheapest rx 6800 xt I've seen is $490
@@mememachine4766 go for 7900 XT instead at 729$ the MERC model is good too. No need for saphire nitro+ is $1000 + $212 for shipping like WTF
$1200 for RX 7900 XT 🥲
I bought the 7800xt just based off the lower board power and the SKU I wanted. Upgraded from a 1080ti. Even if you're upgrading from a 1660ti or 2060, or maybe a 5700xt, I don't think you can go wrong with either.
I have a 1080 ti, planning to upgrade to 7800xt nitro, should i go for it?
@@a7mad9999999 I say go for it, but I know the Nitro is a more expensive sku. You can find ones that perform equally well for less and are of good quality. I personally got the Powercolor Hellhound.
@@a7mad9999999 I would go for RX 6800 XT with very good offer from now. If you wanna buy 7000 series, I'd pick RX 7900 XT.
@@a7mad9999999almost 2,5 x more raw power ...if u dont care about Ray tracing go for IT its very good gpu
@@a7mad9999999 If you havent done already, yes. Same power draw but you literally get over 200% performance, its worth it.
Hey brother, hope all's going well. Haven't had a ton of time to spend on the internets, but it looks like you're doing great!
AMD shifted their stack too, that's why the 7800xt isn't really much better. Intel's got some really promising stuff coming it looks like.
Hey! I’ve been wondering where you have been. Happy to see you back in action! I’m doing well! No complaints! Thank you 😊
@@ErockOnTech I'm kind of a weirdo. I have a wide cross section of unique talents, and sometime those talents require I not be on the internet haha. Paying the bills and alladat. lol
@@x8jason8x haha I understand. I think 🤔 lol. Maybe one day I can learn about these talents!
I think its nice that they focus efficiency a bit more. They could just make it an even more power hungry beast with 320w and yeah it would get the 25% performance increase to the 6800 xt, but imo its nice they face that its diminishing returns and keeping it cool
RX7800xt is a great card, but i will keep my RX6800xt - I thought the talk about bad AMD drivers was over and done with... They are solid
Yeah they have improved massively since I last used them.
Upgrading to a 7800xt from a 6800xt doesn't make any sense. I have a 5700xt so I should see a pretty good improvement. Plus a oc version of the card that includes starfield for 499. It's a no brainer for me.
The big problem with the 6800xt (the entire 6000 lineage) is AMD's dedication to drives for the 7000 lineage. A repair to Nvidia does the same, dedicates the effort to the new lineage and neglects the previous generations.
Gamer Nexus didn't use a reference or stock clocked 6800 XT tho.
Well he isn’t the only reviewer to show cases where the 6800 XT matches or beats the 7800 XT.
Exactly. The 7800xt has nearly identical performance with less power consumption, and when compared to the reference card in GN’s video, the OC nitro is running even hotter. To still remain within 5-10 fps is to remain within a margin of error that no one will be able to tell apart in real life, and that power savings will cover the $50 difference in cost between a new 7800xt at $500, and a still new 6800xt in ~200hours (of gaming @370watt draw) at an extremely conservative cost per kilowatt.
Using the same argument as is made in this video and discounting AMD’s naming, the top tier bin on the 6800xt and 6900xt should be compared with top tier bin of this generation, the 7900xt, which is significantly faster and offers even better watt/performance than previous gens. It’s modest for AMD to say that the 7800xt doesn’t compete with the 6800xt when it does. And it does so by doing everything the 6800xt does, more efficiently and with less to work with.
With latest drivers 7800xt is faster than 6800xt in most games and matches 6900xt perfomance. In some game like Cyberpunk 7800xt is 10% faster. For the new buyers 7800xt is a win win
I'm coming from a 1070. I needed an upgrade and all the other cards are just waaaaay overpriced. I decided to get the 7800 XT even tho it's a marginal increase over the 6800 XT. when rDNA 4 comes out, I will get a new gpu :)
You made a good decision. The upgrade makes sense for you and your situation. I’m happy for you. Are you enjoying the 7800 XT?
@@ErockOnTech well, I bought the nitro, and it will arrive in 5 days hehe. So I'll have to wait!
@@kwintenfruytier2411 Ok awesome! Let me know!
That's what I'm doing last pcs I bought had a rtx 2060 6gb 2019. Sewn everything come through during that time 2000 3000 4000s nividia and 5000 6000 7000s amd so it a massive jump and not needed to compare the other cards cause I never went to that generation. I can understand the disappointment with 6800 owners
I don't understand Ether tb every gpu below 4090 and 7900 xtx r cut down in specs compare to there last gen but peaple still praise 7800 xt even that the majority of the specs r lower then the 6800 xt
People love to hate Nvidia and love to praise AMD. People should just be objective. If a GPU is a true upgrade, then let’s give it the proper credit. If a GPU is not a true upgrade, then let’s also give it proper credit.
@@ErockOnTech 100% agree on that
I'm using the 68xt nitro se, but I'm envious of the bandwidth of the 7800xt.
I'm gonna upgrade from 7900 xtx taichi to 5090 when it releases in 2025 bc both r evil so why not get the best of the 2 evils
The logic makes sense.
It is also important to see the msrp during launch. For 6800xt it was $650, while for the 7800xt it was $500. In terms of value the 7800xt a better card. As far as the shadiness, it was indeed better to name the card a 7800, but if you ignore the naming this is the best bang for buck gpu for mid-range. It does show how bad this generation gpus are, in other generations this would have only been a 'good' card
also 6800 xt used on ebay is more expensive than the new 7800 xt..
@@jetlag133vice-versa for me. Where are u from?
Ive had a 1070, 2070, 3070 all bought msrp. 7800xt made me look at Team red after 15 years lol
I own a 6800xt and wanted a 7800xt because I thought it would be such a superior card but it just isn't, I'm guna ship this Gen and stick with the 6800xt I'll just upgrade my CPU to the 7800x3d 👌🏼
i am going to upgrade to the 7800xt red devil, i have a 5700xt rog strix atm and my cpu is slapping it around
I personally am happy with 7800XT, but then again i did not upgrade to it from 6800XT, i upgraded from GTX970.
correct, agree 100% to all, i can not understand why the amd has the same policy with nvidia, where can't even compete (at least at high cards - 4070) it, and they just could give better gpu's and with much better prices
Yeah their business strategy right now is puzzling to say the least. Maybe they have the mindset of “if we can’t beat them, join them.”
is the 7800xt good at editing? compared with the 3080
Nope AMD is bad on video rendering and editing, compared to Nvidia.
Why Nvidia is EXPENSIVE because it can do both Gaming + Editing , video rendering much faster and doesn't crash like AMD in premiere pro 2024, it keeps buggin and crashing, even get Blue screen of death too and PC restarted. I'm talking for the RX 7900 XTX in games it is PERFECT but when it comes to video editing it sucks. Nvidia beats it.
so spend more money and buy NVIDIA for GPU
CPU wise yes you can choose AMD Ryzen
@@officialyashvirgaming just bought 7800XT an hour ago
Thanks for this review.... I am just going to buy a 7900XTX.... I can't be bothered anymore.
I'd theorize that the average non-enthusiast buyer is looking at the 7800xt as a far better value due to having 16GB of VRAM (vs 12 on the 4070), being the latest gen, and being a lower priced option. A non-enthusiast will assume that the 16GB 7800xt is more than the 4070's 12GB, so bigger is better. I do think some enthusiasts are buying the 7800xt as a "screw you" to Nvidia, and some are hoping to see improvements through driver updates, Hyper-RX developments, and FSR3 that will happen over time. However, we enthusiast are a niche target audience. I think system integrators are probably the one's buying out this initial batch, and will continue to do so as long as Nvidia does not offer a 16GB card for less than a thousand dollars.
That's exactly what's going to happen. I was aspiring to run an SI for some time, and there was just no way I could prebuild with nVidia prices. AMD distributors are also willing to work with people, where most people carrying nVidia products just can't because Jensen is gouging them too.
I mean unless you really care about RT. Performance wise the 7800xt is still arguably a better card than the 4070 especially at the price a 4070 is. I would call myself an enthusiast and I think think this card is good enough for the price. I don’t think people in this price range are the type to buy a new GPU every year. While the naming is stupid you can either think of this as a decent upgraded 6800(non XT) if you go by the specs or a better power efficient 6800xt.
If you’re on a 6800XT/3080 this would be a side grade. Anything less would still be an upgrade. The real problem with this card at the price is that it kinda invalidates the 7700XT, but that’s more on the 7700XT being priced so high. Perhaps a $375 would’ve better then both would’ve absolutely destroyed the 4060ti.
They love it because its for 1080p and 10% can do 1440p , even if its 16gb you won't be getting like 600 FPS in FORTNITE or Cyberpunk
Very good point, that's why I am hesitated to buy the 7800xt. If Nvidia isn't too greedy, I actually think the 4080 is best card of this generation but it is very unfortunately, it is very overpriced.
Upgraded to the 7800xt from a 970 4gb, no brainer best value, with a cheaper msrp than the 6800xt
That’s a huge upgrade for you.
same ryzen 3600,16gb 3600mhz ram,gtx970
i recently got a deal on an asrock phantom 6800xt =$400 to replace my 2020 over priced 3070. loving the vram boost and adrenaline app. i feel now i can comfortably skip next gen gpu for 1440p gaming.
Is it the 7800xt a card with good value? Yes. Does it have better value than the 6800xt? No. Is it presentable that after 3 years you get the same tier card in the 7000 series for worse value, same performance? Absolutely not. Imagine this. In 3 years the 7800xt will be for sale at $400 probably. Now, imagine they release a 8800xt, same performance, retail price: $449. Crazy
Keeping my 6800xt until RDNA 4
There isnt any 1440p midrange card for a reasonable price worth upgrading to.
Im still not comfortable with paying over 1000 bucks for highend cards
got myself a 6800xt for 400 bucks, here in Germany a 7800xt would be at least 150 bucks more even on the used market it would be 100 more.
Yes, you are right about everything you say. Maybe AMD should have used 7800 non XT for the name, but that doesn't matter. More important to me is the fact that this is the GPU with the lowest cost per frame. I'm not into overrated high-end cards because of their insane prices right now. I personally replaced my old RTX 2070 with the RX 7800 XT and I'm very satisfied. I got it for only 480€, for that money from Nvidia you can only get a 4060Ti. Not to mention that prices in Europe have gone up at the moment and both video cards are currently available at prices of 520-550€.
This is so very true, amd did the same thing as nvidia
In my case brand new 6800 xt price bracket is 39k-70k and for 7800 xt is 30k-45k. Locally there are no one selling a used 6800xt and scams from online stores are so common for used gpus that I'd rather not ruin my holiday dealing with one.
My only problem with my amd gpu is that they still have NOT FIXED high power consumption when you have multiple monitor with high refresh rate.
Two weeks later and there has been little to no stock to begin with here in Canada and I've been monitoring stock daily. The only ones "available" are the ones priced at or more than a 4070 which negates the value proposition vs the 4070. This feels like a paper launch. Many AIB models have yet to even show up initially. It's not as amazing as it's being made out to be generationally. The price is fair given this level of performance is 3 years old. It's kinda sad that everything below the 4080/4090 on nvidia's side is poor value that it makes the 7800xt look better than it should
Oh interesting about Canada. I didn’t know that. I wonder why the stock is so limited. That is very interesting indeed. Are you trying to buy a 7800 XT?
@@ErockOnTech While I'm not actively looking to buy right now, the hype on YT had me checking prices and stock on a daily basis to see if it would be priced competitively enough to make me want to get one. Most of the AIB models might have a couple in stock in some remote location at a retailer. Even then, the prices are at 4070 levels. I think I saw one for $1000 over on Amazon which is near 4070ti/7900xt prices. The others are anywhere fro $100-200 above the msrp. Something just doesn't seem "right" about these cards being sold out when I think it's more to do with lack of supply to boost interest, hype and FOMO for this card.
@@NGreedia I know everyone’s local market is different. So here in the US, the 7800 XT is sold out at New Egg and Best Buy. My local Microcenter did have some in stock the other day. However, they are now sold out. There are plenty of 7700 XTs in stock however. RUclipsrs have certainly overhyped the 7800 XT. It’s not bad. But it’s also not great.
@@ErockOnTech Agreed. I've noticed locally that they bumped the 6800xt price back up in hopes of trying to get people go for the 7800xt, except there's still has not been a second shipment of cards since day 1 of launch. you brought up a point that's been in the back of my mind that this is a 3 year old rasterization at a slight price discount, kind of like a 4070 is to a 3080. unsuspecting customers will look at the 7800xt and might think it's a 6900xt/6950xt level of performance given the history of gpus dropping down a price and name tier in the past.
@@NGreedia Are there any updates on the inventory now? Is it any better? The 6800XT is the same price as the 7800XT here. It’s so weird. You would think they would want to drop the price of the 6800XT and get rid of the existing inventory.
I agree, maybe calling it rx7800 would make more sense.I recently sold my pc with rx6900xt and 5800x3d ,im buidling am5 system now with 7800x3d, and this is exactly what i found weird im kinda thinking about 7800xt or rx6950xt, as 6950xt is 700 euros new, 7800xt is 600 euros new.6950xt makes more sense for me as i had rx6900xt that should be faster then 7800xt even tho its older..And price difference of 7900xt and 7800xt is like 300 euros, and i dont rly feel like spending 900-1000 euros for a gpu..And weird thing is i still feel like going with 7800xt just because its newer and its in the middle when it comes to price, but im not sure if it makes sense cause i had a rx6900xt on old am4 setup..
Idk bro if a “7800 xt” is barley faster than its last gen equivalent it’s probably a 7700 xt then
@@darkgamingbro 7700xt is only 50 euros cheaper in Europe, im prob gonna wait for holiday sales for the gpu.Might get something used for cheap till then.I think if im patient i could get a 7900xt or xtx on sale and then im good for atleast 2 years.
@@darkgamingbro and i havent seen any1 compare 7800xt with 6900xt or rx6950xt.They only say its similar or a bit better then 6800 or 6800xt..
These GPUs are for people who are upgrading to older gen GPUs like the Rtx 10 series and Rx 5 series. I agree they are Just selling the same product as the previous gen and marketing with Ai frame generation and stuff like that
Most people are not willing to splurge for a gaming pc even if they have the means to buy. They have better use for their hard earned money and just want good value pc parts that would serve their needs for the next 2-3 years. The rx 7800 xt got right the combination of price, performance, memory, 2nd gen RT cores, AI cores, and support for future technologies. Other cards that make sense for the budget conscious gamers are the rtx 4070 and the rx 7900 xt with current pricing.
Can anyone see this. I assume that no replies means i'm shadowbanned. I don't get anymore replies or notifications for the past few months when in the past I usually have.
I know this video is 5 months old by now, but to understand the 7800 XT's success you need a new perspective...
You could buy a 6800 XT for less, but then you lose AV1 encoding (it might not be that useful now, but that "future-proofs" the card, it's good for recording, streaming and VR)
You could buy 7700 XT for less, but then you lose some VRAM and performance, so you'll feel the need to upgrade the your GPU sooner.
You could buy a 7600 XT (16gb) for way less, you got plenty of VRAM, AV1 encoding, but you have no performance to back that up, it's a complete waste.
The 7800 XT is the "perfect" all-rounder, it does it all at a decent price, AV1 is a nice to have, 16gb VRAM is plenty for a few years, and the performance covers 2 of the 3 main resolutions (1080p and 1440p)
At least, that's my "consumer POV", because these are the reasons that make me want to buy this card, the 7700 XT is great value with 12gb of VRAM, but then the next game might need 14gb at 1080p, then I'm screwed all over again (I bought a 6600 when all the RUclipsrs were saying that 8gb was enough for 1080p, then Resident Evil 4 came out)
I am pretty sure the card will get better overtime but literally time will see I bought it today I currently have an 6700xt
My review is coming in a few days. Stay tuned. Better than I thought.
its not like they could have made them much better without pushing them into the 7900xt lineup in which case the price difference would make that card useless. Still, its a problem of AMD's own creation
That’s basically what they did with the 7700XT. In some ways that card is more of an upgrade over its predecessor than the 7800 XT is. The issue is the price. For $50 more, you get the 7800 XT. So I think most people are waiting for a price drop on the 7700 XT.
100% facts. It's largely because they failed to make a GPU that could compete with the 4090, leaving no room in the stack for this card.
I have both, my 7800xt is faster. Now with that, the CPU are different in each of the PCs. So that could effect performance. Granted they are both I5 CPUs one is a 12600 the other is a 13600. I do believe the 7800xt has room to grow vs the older generation.
For people that only buy new, sure, the 7800xt is an OK deal, but for buying in the used market i can find some 6800xt @ $400, so it's $100 less than a 7800xt, and that will make a lot of sense to buy one, especialy if i sell my old card for $200 or so. Heck i even found a 6950xt for $450 a few weeks back wich is a faster card than the 7800xt. The bottom line is that the 7000series cards were a disapointment of technology compared to 6000 series, and it's only midly OK on the top range because Nvidia has gone full greed mode and their cards are either grossly overpriced and lack VRam and people are still upset with the whole 30 series 8Gb fiasco. If Nvidia was competitive, the AMD cards would have to drop $100 or mor each one to even remotely be competitive with 40 series and 6000 own AMD series.
I believe the 7800xt might see a performance boost
thanks
"Gamers love this card" based on the sales. You then say you understand why it's selling out. Haven't you answered to your question? What do you mean by "shifting the product stack," because it seems to be based on the names, but half way through the video you said they can call it whatever they want? An AMD RX 6000 owner that must buy a new card "because it's been three years" has a self-control problem that has nothing to do with the GPU market
Ah yes, the inevitable hater. Well, gamers do love the card because it’s selling out. Why the heck else would it sell out? Charity? Crypto mining? Umm.. no. Also, I ran a poll to see what my audience thought. The majority voted and said it was a “meh” card. However, the comments suggest people are very happy with it because of the price.
Yeah that’s what shifting the product stack means. The company cuts the hardware down in various combinations, then they name it a higher tier card. Idk how familiar you are with Nvidia. But the 4070 Ti is a prime example of this. Originally, the 4070 TI was going to be the 4080 12 GB model and it was going to cost $100 more. This is all well documented all over the internet. The backlash was enormous. Nvidia had to “unlaunch” the product. They then lowered the price and named it the 4070 TI.
@@ErockOnTech I neither hate it or love it, so I don't know what you mean by "hater." If they can "call it whatever they want" (your words) then shifting the product stack is irrelevant. You acknowledge that it's the best value right now so it doesn't make sense to keep asking "why?"
@@shanent5793 You seriously don't understand how a customer base works, do you? When you've been giving x value proposition for a given time, then suddenly decide to cut that value, your core buyers will not be happy.
You are a hater, you're playing a semantics game. Key here is to remember that you don't get to decide what others mean... which is a good thing seeing as badly as it's been contorted in your "self-control"... but hey, you didn't buy a GPU. Good for you. Neither did I this gen, but it doesn't change the fact that AMD did shift the stack, and Erock is 100% accurate saying so. He's also 100% correct that they can name it whatever they want, and they have got backlash for it, just not on the 4070ti level, as again, Erock _also_ pointed out.
Why are you acting like you don't know what a hater is? Been under a rock since 1992?
@@shanent5793 It’s the best value. But that’s because this whole generation has been rough on GPU launches. I ask “why” because while the value is good, it’s a repackaged 3 year old 6800XT. It’s a marginally better 6800XT. So why is it getting enormous amounts of love and praise? We’ve essentially had this level of performance for 3 years now.
I thought you're Matthew Santoro. Wrong Channel ..
I've been gaming at 1440p with the 6700xt for my $1000 computer. Just dropping in the 7800xt for about 60% better performance on a new modern card...it's a no brainer for me. I almost bought a 6800xt a while back so glad I didn't.
Interesting. You could have bought a 6800XT and been fine. As you saw in the video, the 6800XT and 7800XT are basically the same performance. Also, the 6800XT isn’t “60%” faster than a 6700XT. It’s about 42% faster. Here is a link to show that. Look at the relative performance chart. www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-6700-xt.c3695
@@ErockOnTech I think he's saying the 7800xt is 60% better than the 6700xt? I dunno... would seem to indicate about an 18% gain in the 7800xt over the 6800xt?
I could be totally misreading it but that seems about right?
@@x8jason8x So I went back to the link I shared above and checked the relative performance. It says the 7800XT is 6% faster than the 6800XT. But looking at the fine print, I think that is based on 4K data. Which I wouldn’t use either card for 4K so that’s not exactly fair I don’t think? But yeah either way, the 7800 XT is selling well and most people love it. I see it as a marginally improved version of the 6800XT. But I suppose it has such a positive reception because of all the other bad GPUs this generation.
What happens if rdna 3 gets major results in the next few months with software which the 7000s has the hardware ready and the amd deals are doing with over 30 new titles coming in 2024 to utilise fsr3 so they said. What difference would the 7800 be
@@magictracks Well FSR 3 works on 6000 series GPUs as well to my knowledge. Fluid motion frames is only on 7000 series GPUs. But it’s more or less in beta. So it’s not currently that great. I mean over time, the 7800 XT will be the better buy for sure. I actually just released a full video today reviewing a 7800 XT.
There is one scenario where a 30 series Nvidia card owner may want to consider upgrading to a 7800XT and that is if they have a card with only 8 GB of vram and they are hitting the limit in the games they are playing. Some new titles are requiring more than 8 GB of vram for optimal performance. The vram issue is the biggest reason why I traded my 3070 in and got a 7800XT. Fortunately Newegg was offering me close to what I would have sold the card for on the used market, making the process of upgrading less painful.
For example. I have a 3060Ti that I bought from a desmounted mining rig and I was thinking about to replace it for a new GPU, but I have a small matx case that won't fit a 6800xt, and could fit a 2 fan 7800xt nicely. Scenarios will exist. The problem with the 7800xt is that I can't find it to buy, I don't care that it is not a 6800xt substitute.
I'd agree in the sense that it seems 8GB may not even be enough for 1080p with UE5. If you're not getting the newest and most demanding titles with everything set to ultra, an 8GB card should still do 1080p quite well for the foreseeable future. I'm no fan of RT, but people who are may want to stick with an nVidia card as well, AMD isn't really improving much there.
Same scenario for me. Sold my 3060 Ti on eBay and bought a 7800 XT with Starfield. If you include the price of Starfield the upgrade overall cost me around $200 to double my VRAM and improve performance by a decent margin.
your price comparison makes no sense.....
did the 7800xt come out on the same day as the 6800xt?
no,.......no it did not.
the whole 7k series is not good its just new....
seen a guy got a 6800 xt close to a 3090
The 7800XT is a Step down die not a "Cut-down" die. It is the full N32. The 6800XT and 6800 were Cut-down N21. I'm sure you already know this but it's bot what you said in the video.
Yep, you’re correct. Sorry about the wording. I was really more focused on the fact that the product stack shifted. The 6800 cards were part of the best die size, even if they were cut down. The 7800 XT may be the full die, but it’s not the best die size available. I think this change, along with some other cuts to the hardware, allowed for the 6800 XT to match and beat the 7800 XT in a variety of scenarios.
@ErockOnDeck What I most want to see is the 7800XT's OC potential. Since N31 underperformed missing their simulated projections, I wonder if they were able to fix some of the flaws in N32? I would bet it clocks like a beast. They would likely gimp it to keep it off the 7900XT's ass. When you get one, I think the OC results would be great content.
@@stephanhart9941 Thanks for the suggestion. I’ll most certainly be sure to do that!
My XFX RX 6800 XT broke, RMA Gigabyte RX 7800 XT. No choice, but happy with a quick resolution. No working GPU is the worst.
Definitely would consider a 7800XT if I had an older card...
...it does speak well to pricing for next Gen that there's a bit of a walk-back therein. Maybe we'll have adorable cards next Gen lol
Next gen really needs a shake up. Gamers have been disappointed for too long now. If you buy on the high end, then it’s fine. The performance is there. But most gamers don’t want to buy on the high end. It’s the mid range they want. The future of mid range GPUs is concerning. Fingers crossed it all works out.
@@ErockOnTech absolutely...we need a break on gpus lol
@@joeatwork77 I think our break is here. I think all expected GPUs have now launched. So we should be good until 2025 I believe. I think that’s the next GPU generation.
If nothing else it's a faster, more energy efficient 6800xt but will be able to better utilize FSR3, fluid frames, anti lag+ software and game compatibility, plus be supported longer. Seems like a good buy to me.
Then you have very low standards.
@@Sly_404 It's faster than my 6750xt which runs Starfield fantastically @ 1440p High, so yeah, it seems like a good buy if someone needed an upgrade. I don't.
For me i will buy the latest model..
Example.. 2020 camry vs 2023 camry which one u buy😂
I understand. I was sent a 7800 XT for review after this video. I reviewed it. I liked it once I tried it. Video is up on my channel.
While this is a similar move to the 4080 12GB, it is not as egregious as that since the price is lower (instead of higher) and the card still has decent performance for the price. Still, is a no bueno for AMD since they are mudding the brand and this will harm them in the long run.
I agree. Well said.
Because we aint rich and its the best bang for your buck
AMD knows that X or XT or XTX......sells
I think as long as it plays half the core games that PC gamers care about, then for the value it seems like a decent card
I appreciate the comment! Thanks man!
This generation is fail both for nvidia and amd. Only the top high end cards are decent but thats not within most peoples budget. I hope next generation will be better. There are leaks that 5090 will be around 70% faster than 4090 which is a good leap in perfomance but what if its only for the top end again and lower tier cards will again have marginal perfomance increase or will be priced terribly again.
I agree! The high end cards are the only cards that truly move the needle forward. If the 5090 is 70% faster than the 4090, that would be incredible. That’s a massive step forward. I’m a bit skeptical about that performance increase. That’s a lot! But let’s wait and see. You raise an excellent point about the mid range. The future of Mid range GPUs is concerning.
@@ErockOnTech Well 4090 compare to 3090 is also significant leap and while these are only leaks/rumors the 5090 release is still far away and the reality might be different but its not unrealistic. Then again the mid range is indeed concerning which is what most people buy anyway.
@@Marko-ij4vy Yeah the rumored jump in performance for the 5090 is totally possible. I just learned to not get my hopes up these days if that makes sense. But yeah, we really need an overhaul in the mid range market.
Summary: Gamers love this card, and thi nvidia fanboy doesn't understand y
AMD’s naming system is a train wreck and shady AF
Personally I think the rx 7800 xt is basically the rx 6800 xt v1.5 ... Even though they explicitly said that its not meant to compete with that card.
The rx 7800 xt performs basically the same RIGHT NOW. But it has rdna3 instead of 2, it has 120 AI accelerator units (6800 has none), and it uses 15-20% less power. Its definitely worth buying it over the 6800 since the price is near identical. Its going to have much better longevity as a brand new card with all these updated features. The rx 6800 xt is over 3 years old now.
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The name is dumb, but the price is not. If you adjust for inflation, it's CHEAPER than the launch price of the 6700 XT two and a half years earlier, and it's also 43% faster, with 33% more Vram, significantly more memory bandwidth, lower power consumption, and the quality of the coolers is, on average, definitely superior as well.
Inflation over the past three years has been much higher than normal, and 480 USD in early 2021 is equivalent to around 540 USD today.
Probably the 6700 XT's MSRP would have been a bit lower if it hadn't launched in the middle of the GPU shortage, however, it was nearly impossible to even find them for the MSRP at that time, and the MSRP was never going to be all that much lower than 480, even if there hadn't been a GPU shortage at the time (probably closer to 450 or 430). Even compared to that hypothetically lower price, the 7800 XT for 500 USD is a significant improvement in value per dollar and performance per dollar. This inflation would have happened even if AMD had never tried to take advantage of the GPU shortage by raising prices at the time.
The 6800 XT (and other 6000 series models) being lowered in price to offer similar value per dollar to the upcoming next gen cards before some of those next gen cards were released is nothing new, and yet most reviewers and techtube gaming channels commenting on this are acting like this has never happened before. There was a longer than normal period while the 6800 XT and other 6000 series cards had dropped in price before the 7800 XT was released, and there was unusually high inflation since the release of the previous generation, and somehow this combination of factors seems to have broken most people's brains. YOU ALL NEED TO GET BETTER AT MATH!
When i saw 6800xt beating 7800xt in some cases, and loses so little in others, I straight up bought a used 6800xt at 340$.
If the current gen is meant to used for 3 years, I can simply just overclock my 6800xt with 10% peer gains. All thanks to old premium card having beefed up cooler.
The 7800 XT is a total piece of shit. I don't understand why it's a highly praised GPU. It’s just like the 4060 Ti. It gets outperformed by its predecessor in some games due to lackluster hardware upgrades. With some downgrades in cetain specs. Unacceptable. Is anyone getting fed up of these scams in the entry level and midrange segments? And then people defend AMD and just praise them. Pathetic. This should have been the 7700 XT.
It's true that it should probably have been called the 7700 XT, but it's still a good value card. 6700 XT had an MSRP of $479 and with inflation that makes the current $499 the same price or cheaper for a good performance and VRAM increase.