Switching Back To AM5 and Update On The Intel Latency Issues
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- In this video, I'm switching back to AMD and using AM5. I'm leaving Intel behind. I give some updates on the Intel latency issues as well.
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Tech Yes City: Why are Intel 13th and 14th Gen CPUs FAILING!?
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JayzTwoCents:Motherboard Default settings could be COOKING your CPU!
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JayzTwoCents:Intel has a problem More crashing and stability issues for new CPUs
• Intel has a problem......
Techwando: INTEL latency issue PT. 3 - PLUS the new INTEL DOWNFALL up to 50% performance loss.
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NikTek: AMD Ryzen VS Intel Core - The CPU Battle Throughout The History
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PC Gamer: Asus adds 'Intel Baseline Profile'
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Intel 13th/14th Core “Raptor Lake” gaming instability is now being investigated
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NVIDIA recommends Intel Raptor Lake CPU users to consult Intel in case of stability issues
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ASUS adds “Intel Baseline Profile” to its Z790 motherboards amid Core i9 stability issues
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🎬Chapters
🕒 0:00 - Tech Yes City Gives ErockOnTech Advice
🕒 0:24 - Switching back to AMD and AM5
🕒 1:22 - Updates on the Intel Latency Issues
🕒 4:10 - Intel instability issues in Tekken 8 and other games
🕒 4:58 - Motherboards not using Intel default specs
🕒 6:42 - Intel Baseline Profile issues and concerns
🕒 9:23 - Intel blames motherboard vendors for instability issues
🕒 10:14 - AMD AM5 PC Parts Used 7800X3D DDR5 6000 MHZ RAM
🕒 11:14 - Why I'm Switching to a Micro ATX Motherboard
🕒 11:58 - AMD AM5 Performance and Stability Update
🕒 12:30 - Dream PC Build Incoming
🕒 13:53 - Final Thoughts 9800X3D and will I keep my Intel CPUs
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This video addresses all the following topics:
Intel
AMD
AM5
Intel latency issues
Intel vs AMD
7800X3D
Tower 300
9800X3D
How to fix intel stability issues
Intel Baseline Profile
Asus
14700K
14900K
Intel issues
Intel Latency
Best CPU to buy
Best Gaming CPU
#intelvsamd #7800x3d #am5
What do you think? Did I make the right decision switching back to AMD and AM5?
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Great video. Take us with you on that journey back to AM5 with another video series please. Compare your 2024 experience to the 2023 experience thoroughly. This would be so helpful especially bc you kept the AM5 parts from last year. So seeing if the same parts work fine now would be great
You absolutely made the right decision. Really enjoying your content - keep up the good work. Oh and greetings from Oz 🙂
@@greggysimmo Thank you! I appreciate it! :)
@@random-zr5km That is my plan! I'm working on a big video but it will be a few weeks before it drops. Stay tuned!
@@ErockOnTechGlad to hear. Take your time we're in no hurry. These videos are the reason I subbed so whenever the video is ready I will watch it
Crazy how we are here... After all these years of "progression"
Great video and keep up the content!
Thank you so much! Yeah I have no idea how we got to this point! I appreciate your advice and support!
I hope you didn’t mind the intro lol 😆
i have 7200 mhz ram speed with my am5 motherboard and it works very well and it surpasses 6000 mhz ram if you set up the flck mlck correctly its an interesting concept to go post 7200 on am5 currently i think it might become even better on next gen amd.
@@ErockOnTech Oh DW I am real easy on that. Wouldn't mind if you were even talking shit about me, as long it was valid.
lol 😂 well I don’t see myself doing that. Been a fan of your content for a long time man. But I’m happy you’re so chill dude. That’s awesome!
Thank You for the shoutout! Amazing video as always 🙏
No problem! Anytime! Keep up the good work!
@Niktek truly makes the best & funniest tech meme videos
I have done two 7800x3d builds. They are so efficient i use it for my main cad pc believe it or not. Keeps my room cooler and is so fast.
despite the much lower power usage,the temps i saw was on par with i7 class intel cpu's with higher wattage..not an intel fanboy tho,dont get me wrong.
It’s a great CPU!
@elinbarrage9638 I enabled pbo with voltage offset at -20 and a silver soul 135 wouldn't exceed 75c under the heaviest stress testing. I had the exact same result with noctua NH-D15. I was blown away with this.
@@elinbarrage9638 thats because of the smaller ihs and extra die thickness because of the vram. a decent single tower cooler should still be enough to cool it tho compared to most intel chips
@@charlesg5085 What's your idle temps? I'm running a D-15 at -25 all cores and hit 89 instantly on full load. Gaming's at 60-70s
My first build with the 7800x3d only gets better over time. Gonna age like a fine wine.
Facts!
It blows my mind that people are willing to spend all that money on a 14900k even with all of its issues. The price and power draw alone are red flags. Now you throw on instability and the degradation issues and it just make no sense.
IKR! I the 7950x is much better for creators and the 7800X3D is a weapon for gaming.
@@inmypaants7800x3d is still good for CAD and programming too I use it for that
@@inmypaantsThe 7950x is not faster stop the nonsense. It also pulls a lot of power as well. If all you care about is gaming and don’t mind AMDip then fine the 7800x3d is good.
@@ZackSNetwork AMDip lmao enjoy your insufficient VRAM errors. I have a 5800X3D, zero issues for me xxx
@@inmypaantslol that's the least deranged "Frame Chasers" fan
AM5 has been a Dream to build and use. Everything just works! Best experience ever! ❤❤❤
Exactly! I built my daughter the first AM5 7800X3D, I was so thrilled it was rock solid! I ended up building one for myself and another for a friend. Intel pushes their hardware to thermal limits that just damages the silicone over time and performance has to be dropped over time to prevent super annoying lockups. They just beat the hell out of their silicone and they don't give a crap. They just want to make it to the finish line first. Just like that Star Trek TNG episode where the romulans burned out their warp engines to get to Tin Man first.
@@Atticman1369 Very cool! Your daughter and friend must be pleased! 👌
I agree! I was an Intel enjoyer for a long time but amd has really gotten my attention with the zen3&4! Im sticking around for now for sure!
I switched to 7800X3D as well and it's been flawless
Fantastic!
Nice content! It's always good to keep your options opens but at the end of the day you just gotta roll with what works best for your and makes you the happiest.
Good idea, I would do the same if I was having major issues with one CPU or manufacturer, I'd just switch for a while, let them fix it or release new parts before going back to them. I switched to AMD mostly because of Intel's ridiculous temps which started on 7th gen I believe, and now they've got ridiculous power usage, no consumer CPU should use more than 150w let alone 250w and up to 350w at times.
First time in 30 years i went to AMD not knowing the New Intel CPU problems I am so lucky
that i wanted to try AMD CPUs. 🥰
I recently built my Ryzen 7 7700 rig, and couldn't be any happier. solid, stable, no issues, and nothing about the slow boot times, etc...
So the slow boot and ram training is over ? I will buy s new build for next gen. I guess I should expect the same issues for at least the first year?
@Helios.vfx. that was one of my fears, and especially with the motherboard I chose, which is the MSI PRO B650M-A wifi, and MSI was apparently notorious for slow boot times. Preemptively I updated the bios to the latest one and I can tell you that I'm in Windows in 20 seconds, which for me is more than acceptable
@Helios.vfx. oh, and as regards the RAM training, all I had to do was to turn it off in the bios (can't remember the name now) and it's gone
Yeah, I think he was talking about you 😂😂😂
Haha 😆 definitely!
Was that a clip from over a year ago, talking about how erock should ditch am5 for intel due to the issues?
And now the tables have flipped essentially?
Dang 😅
EDIT: Oh wait the "TechYesCity" clip was really recent? Nvm then, But I feel like i heard something similar from other channels over a year ago in relation to AMDip and the RAM and etc.
Nice to see you rocking matx! (eventually) and please do check if that board has no coil whine issues because I heard it could get whinny. I went with msi mortar's matx board for my 7800X3D and it's been good too, not many usb ports however.
Hey Erock, how long do you think the ryzen 7 5800x3d will last? Is the rtx 4090 too much for it already?
A 5800x3d heavily bottlenecks a 4090. Seriously what were you thinking?
NGL Erock im kind of jealous ya get to switch easily. Im still tryna save up to switch to AM5 and get a 7800x3D 🤣
I’m very blessed and fortunate for sure! It’s all thanks to viewers like you! Thank you 🙏
Is this issue still happening too next gen intel CPUs or is there a patch or fix that’s resolved the issues???
I love how you call it Gigabyte Aurorus instead of Aorus. That would actually make a lot more sense. It makes me think of the Northern Lights because of all the RGB they put on that range.
The Northern Lights are great! I didn’t realize I was saying it wrong lol 😆
These issues are only with the 13th and 14th gen, is that correct? the I7 12700k runs pretty flawless without these issues, is that your understand as well. thanks
I just picked up parts for a new build for my friend at work, we went to microcenter and got a 7700X and a Gigabyte B650 board for the same price as a 13700K by itself and it works just as good in gaming unless you're benchmarking with a 4090. Now he had a lot more $$ for the GPU so he managed to upgrade from a 4070 Super to a 4070ti Super and still be in budget.
That's just a dumb update. I'd have just saved up for next gen if the incremental is minimal
@@Helios.vfx. Update? His last rig blew up and it had a 6700K in it. His kids use it all the time for games so he needed something right now, not whenever nerds on the internet think is a good time. I did my best finding bang for the buck parts in his budget.
Just subbed. You are doing good.
That's cool and all but how does the AMD rig work?
Has AMD ironed out all the problems or are there still issues?
Does the intel crashing, etc extend to their laptop CPUs (i9-13900HX) as well?
My friend have i7-13700h laptop also crashing , blue screen and hang when he try to multitasking with stable diffusion
@@pengyong3553dang... I was about to say that it probably doesn't because the Laptops don't use 300w. So instability seems to be a problem at every range. What the heck Intel...
Did you update realtek drivers? ;)
That used to be a performance issue
Lol yes they are updated lmao :)
iam done also, change my i9 13900k // MOBO // RAM to AM5 7800x3d Plattform - my hardware should arrive today :)
I run an AMD R9 5900X CPU in my PC, and I've set a hard OC limit to 4.5 GHz using CPU Core Ratio, with a negative offset automatic voltage. My CPU runs cool and rarely goes above 59-degC while playing Halo Infinite. During normal PC usage, it only uses 1.1 volts.
What motherboard do you use?
@@quester34ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-Plus Wifi. I've got 128 GB RAM and an RX 6950 XT in it. The CPU is cooled with a Cooler Master 240mm AIO. It never overheats.
That is such a waste man... I have a 5900X too and if you tune thePBO limits: TDP EDC and TDC limits, along with the Curve Optimizer, you can it to run 4.7 with 70C or so. But it can boost as high as 4.9 in idle loads. You do have to turn off Asus multi core enhancement, as that pushes too much power into the chip. Tune the TDP to limit your chip to run at 70 C under full load - so it depends on your cooler.
It is a waste, because after 70C the chip starts to reduce its clock speed more, due to heat. You are leaving 11C of performance on the table there...
My chip has 4 cores that cant do -30 on the Curve Optimizer, but the rest can... (its -4 -16 -24 and -28, the rest has -30). So there is a lot of trail and error to figure out the CO settings, but if you get a WHEA error on a crash, it will tell you what core crashed and which CO setting you need to raise for more stability.
FYI, CO will reduce the voltage for a given clock speed. So your chip runs cooler, and thus it will also boost higher at the same time.
@@HexerPsy 4.5 Ghz is perfect for my needs. I don't like running my CPUs above 70 deg.
I also run another PC with a Ryzen 9 5950X. Running Cinebench R23 at 4.4 Ghz actually scored higher than 4.5 Ghz. This CPU runs hot, so I'm not going to push it to it's limits constantly. I get 250 FPS playing Halo Infinite, and 950 FPS playing Halo CE. That's plenty enough for me.
something im really wondering about is ram speeds ... i notice you go with 6000mhz for 7800x3d in a few of your vids but the 7800 specs says its supports only up to 5200mhz ? ??????????
New subscriber to your channel and I was so pleased I found this video. I have just bought a mid range gaming PC upgrading from my old AM2 TR 2950x pc. I say mid range as, even though I went with the Rizen 7 7800x3d, I will only be running it with an RTX4070 GPU and a cheaper AM5 Gigabyte MB. I saw so many conflicting videos - do this - don't do that - don't buy this - don't buy that and then you came along and said "Hey - everyone is different - game how you want and just enjoy what you can afford" and seeing you go back to the 7800x3d has calmed my worries. Thank You.
Wonder if this Intel latency issue is why my Predator Labtop is having issues opening apps I'll be switching out the SSD and ram tomorrow got some 6400mhz DDR 5 sodimm 64GB, and the SSD is a 4TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus and a 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus I'll see if this speeds things up a bit.
I have no idea if these issues exists on laptops or not.
Well found out in a hurry it doesn't like upgrading SSDs and guess labtops don't have xmp as ram is at 4800mhz.
Great video, thanks for sharing your experience
Did you try turning off Core Isolation in Device security? It really helped me a lot. WhySoSLow doesn't report the "BIOS and chipset behavior" and "Kernel latencies and real-time capabilities" problems and my audio doesn't crackle and pop anymore.
I did not try that. Thanks for the tip. Intel has acknowledged there is a problem and they are researching it. So I know it’s not just a me issue.
Turning off core isolation makes a massive difference to latency but that's 100% a Windows feature/problem and affects both AMD and Intel fairly equally. Still worth a try though.
@@ErockOnTech I don't know if this will help you. I installed Intel's XTU and all I did was run the benchmark and then uninstall it. Nothing else. I've lost 7% on my cinebench score and I'm back to severe latency problems. Worse than they've ever been on my PC. I had them solved. It was running perfectly.
I ran the system restore that XTU made, so right before it. Didn't help. I reinstalled drivers. DISM, SFC. No help. My last system image was over a month ago, so at least it's not a total reinstall. I have no idea what that utility did to my chipset drivers and anything else but it really screwed my system
does this only affects K SKU's?
But did you run all your updates?
hi how are you erock? Hope you are well! I wonder do you still have your discord server?
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so did you undervolt the AMD chip to get more out of it
The AMD chip? Yes.
Did you run into the same lag with a z790 board?
Not yet, but going to do more extensive testing soon.
NikTek tell us truth through his memes
What’s a good motherboard for something like a ryzen 5 7600x Im not sure about gigabyte so an MSI would be good?
MSI B650 Tomahawk. It's not cheap, but one of the best for the money.
@@mihaylov131 I like that but there also the X670e in white is that one overkill or it’s okay?
X670e Tomahawk is even better mb, but the price is also higher. If you planning upgrade maybe is good choice too.
@@mihaylov131 what about the MPG edge Wifi? Is that one good as well?
Looks interesting too, but I personally prefer Tomahawk series.
Is this the latency thing brian was talking about weeks ago with the io being the mainboard? I still don't fully understand it but did not seem to effect a gaming rig but rather content creators and productivity of heavy use.
I have been using a 12700k since the beginning of 2022 and other than a bios update to fix sleep and a undervolt my system hardware has been great.
Windows 11 gives me all the problems with bad or failing updates though. I recommend everyone run sfc /scannow like once a week or after every update and do not install and preview updates.
My rig is just for gaming though.
I had latency issues and the same mouse issues plus random short (~ half a second or so) freezes on the desktop as well. Temps also went ballistic when the CPU was under load.
Turns out, it was the power limits, which were unlocked by default. I went into the BIOS and set PL1/PL2 as well as current limits to the "recommended" Intel defaults and wouldn't you know it - no more problems.
After the whole thing blew up lately, I went and installed the latest BIOS for my Gigabyte board and boy what a disaster that was. Performance dropped by ~30%, the CPU behaved weirdly (clocks were all over the place and turbo boost didn't work at all) and none of the manual settings seemed to have any effect either. Switched back to the previous (non-beta) BIAS, loaded my previous profile and everything was fine again.
I'm at this very moment building my first AM5 PC 😊
Im thinking about switching. I have 6400 ddr5, how can i use these with am5? I know there xmp but 6400 doesnt work with am5 correct? Can someone help with what to do
6000 is the sweet spot for AMD currently. Check the QVL on the AMD motherboard you plan to buy. Make sure the RAM is on it. If so, you can try 6400, but if it doesn't work then just manually lower it to 6000.
You can manually just set the Expo or XMP profile and lower the speed from 6400 to 6000 so it gives you all the timings and everything but you can run it to Sweet Spot speed
It's great to see this video, I currently have a 3960x threadripper, it's an excellent processor, but for video editing and occasional games, I see that it doesn't perform well, so I started researching a lot, and saw that Intel for video editing is better than the amds precisely because they have the igpu that accelerates some codecs that not even the RTX4090 supports, and looking at some benchmarks the 14900k for example in almost all things is better than my treadripper, but I also know that it already The fifteenth generation is soon to be launched, I hope they fix these problems because I'm looking to migrate to Intel or that AMD launches something similar to Intel's quick sync, then it would be perfect.
have you tried intel pc on linux?
I use arch Linux now + hpyrland run 7000 hz ram no problem
between this issue with intel and amds ram issues and windows not knowing how to correctly use the vcache ccd for some games on the 7900x3d as well its really not a good time for high end cpus
DDR5 6000 CL30 Expo and only two sticks, that's all you need to know to avoid issues on AM5. Avoid the 7900x3d and go with the 7800x3d for gaming or 7950 for gaming and productivity. Best time in 20 years for AMD high end CPU's, I have to partially disagree.
Windows 11 is truly garbage but sadly we are kind of stuck with it as Microsoft plans to end support for Windows 10. AMD's AM5 platform has gotten a lot better this last year though. I'm using a 7800X3D and two RAM sticks at 6000 MHz with no issues so far.
Hey Erock, got a question for ya, hope you can read this!
I got a Asus Tuf X670E Mobo, all has been going well, buty recently, after changing ANY setting in the BIOS the PC won't boot after that change...or even if I make no change, the PC just refuses to bott after exiting the BIOS, I have to do a full shut down/turn on using the power button to boot back to the desktop...you you ever experienced this?
I am also finding I CANNOT disable iGPU on my 7800X3D even though I used to be able to do that on this board...It's anoyying coz the iGPU messes with my overlay in Rivatuner!
Cheers mate
You tried a bios reset and/or bios update?
@@GrimpakTheMook yeah, flashed different version of bios multiple time, found it I also have black screen after waking pc up from sleep (PC is on, only my display is not showing me my desktop even though it’s technically there)
@@George-um2vc you running EXPO? Try to run with base settings.
@@GrimpakTheMook happens regardless of EXPO enabled or not unfortunately…
Gonna do a windows clean install
@@GrimpakTheMook fond out it was the GPU with faulty Display Ports, weird thing is, they all have the same issue, so what ever is connected to all of them is faulty, gonna try get it repaired!
Dude those custom builds are awesome! 100% would watch you build something else of the sort. Or even just showcasing the ones you’ve built before.
Best Mario PC build! 🍄
Excited to see the new custom one! 🐒
Thank you 🙏
I have a MSI Motherboard Name MSI MAG Z790 Tomahawk WiFi (MS-7D91) and a Intel 13900KF 32GB of Memory Speed DDR5-5600 (2800 MHz) and a Inno3d RTX 4070TI and have never really noticed any latency issue. The latency Monitor software shows no issues Ecores can now on this bios be parked by a press on SL key. So it seems these issues only affect certain combinations of hardware.
Great video as always Erock, I have a quote to sum up the situation...
"There's not too many times you get a chance to make a second first impression" (Jesse Palmer)
Intel has had 3 generations of processors on this platform (Z690/790).
The forums/reddit/Facebook have been scattered with people reporting issues like this dating back to the release of 12th gen. Intel is on a 3rd impression if you will.
I also find it ironic that near the end of the platform they are starting to acknowledge the issues that the architecture/platform has, but go on to blacklist people like Bryan and probably even myself if I was to guess with the success of my one video last year.
Don't get me wrong I still use this platform everyday, and out of some sick toxic labor of love (literally months of tuning/optimizing) I enjoy my machine, but...
you are right, NOBODY should go through what you, myself, or many of these users in the comments have said. Even if it's not everyone experiencing issues, the number of actual complaints shouldn't be as high as they are.
Thanks again for the time you put into this.
Thank you for the comment man! Yeah that quote reminds me of an old friend of mine. He used to say “You only get one chance to make a first impression.” Very similar!
As for the blacklist, I’m sure I’m on the list now haha 🤣
Honestly man, I rather just make the content I want to make without any strings attached. So if I have to pay for the hardware, then so be it. No company gets ahead by trying to suppress reviews. If anything, it just fires up the creator even more! Well, at least it does for me anyway.
I've heard for years about Intel being far more stable than AMD, only to now hear the script kinda flipping. My first PC build is coming up and I'm going for a full AMD build (7600X + 7800XT). I have no desire to go Team Blue at this point, especially when I'm paying more for less. The 7600 (both X and non-X) consistently beats out the 13400 and 14400 in gaming tests, despite being routinely cheaper than either of those CPUs, or at least very close in price.
EDIT: Just ordered my parts a couple days ago and went with a 7600 + 7900 GRE. No regrets staying away from Intel/Nvidia.
This combo has to be one of the best value combos for gaming performance you can buy. Well done. What resolution are you using? Have you been able to test it out yet? Congrats on the new PC!!
You AMD lovers lose all credibility when you scream about AMD CPU efficiency but conveniently never mention GPU inefficiency.
Nice case mods! They look great.
Thank you so much!
Watching my homie throw my processor (i7) into the garbage 🥲
Haha 🤣 my bad bro!
Oh my goodness.. I love those cases u built for your friend I'd buy it for a lot of money! appreciate ur honesty a lot this is coming from someone who watches Gamers Nexus!
I do my best to share my authentic experience. I'm happy you like the cases!
should i upgrade 5800x3d to 7800x3d or wait for new cpus ?
I’d say wait a bit longer. AMD is about to announce something at Computex!
@@ErockOnTechalright thanks
5800x3d is still a beast, you could probably even skip ryzen 9000 and go straight to 10k or 11k or whatever they will call it
You got me wanting to switch…. lol
Been rocking the 14700k… but the problems are annoying.. the bios update helped but it’s not the same
Is this issue happening for all intel chips I have a i7 10th gen???
Not 10th gen. Only 12th, 13th, and 14th.
@@ErockOnTech ok thanks for letting me know 👍
Why not go with the 7950x3D?
Great video update as always Erock. I take it you probably won't bother with Intel's upcoming Arrow Lake this year? From what I've heard, there won't be hyper-threading this time around. Yep, I'll be taking your advice and go with 78003DS soon
Thank you. Correct. I plan to stick with AMD for now. If I am lacking for interesting content, I may dive into Intel's next gen CPUs. But I won't be a day 1 adopter.
I am researching to build a new PC soon for Work and Diverse, but would really love someone like you to compare the 8700G and its 780m iGPU to the 7800x3d with a medium GPU... 😮😮😊
Nice Tower 300, and very good MATX motherboard.
My favorite streamer "Mande" was using 7950X . Rock solid for years.
Thank you! Yeah I'm happy to be back on AMD. I have not yet heard of Mande.
Will ALL results from GeekBench pages, reviews, game review be REMOVED for Intel? As it affects performance, and it should NOT be advertised what it cannot deliver, right?
Lol of course not. Very rarely do reviewers on any platform go back and update their content. I'm trying to be better on that. Hence why I have a new AM5 video incoming.
very nice youtube suggestion. subbed. "call em out when they mess up" is what everyone should be doing. no fanboyIsm. i'm worried about intel even though they were total scumbags in the industry for decades. But AMD would do the same thing if they had an absolute monopoly (which intel DID for all practical intents and purposes)
Thank you for the sub and kind words! We got to look out for consumers because the big guys will walk all over us if we don't.
@@ErockOnTech side note : I know it's a thing in the west to call ppl consumers but to me as a non westerner it sounds very derogatory and dehumanizing, like we re some sort of mindless bacteria swarm that just gobbles up whatever (even if so many actually do 😂). I just call myself a customer and I love being a very well informed customer, even if that doesn't work out the way I'd like all the time. Works most of the time though. Best wishes 😁
It could be rowhammer mitigations and CPU ucode with Intel mei fw causing that spike in latency. The new jedec spec added some fixes. Upgraded from 2133MTps to 2666MTps Ram on skylake laptop the fps was better by 15% until new ucode reduced it to just 5% in benchmark and gaming
I’ve been full AMD since bulldozer! Have 0 desire to use Intel/Nvidia
Dumb when they are the fastest products. Being a fangirl never pays off.
@@ZackSNetwork bought a pc to game not use blender, the 7800x3d IS fastest
And since RT implementations still suck or look the exact same, i play rasterized.
Where amd is also the fastest.
But yaknow, use case doesnt matter when you need to cope with the fact you paid 2x as much for similar performance and call other people fanboys.
Reality doent seem real to you people.
@@steadyclouds4614 I agree 100%
it's like saying I got me a Maclaren f1 and I can do 500mph .... unless the speed limits disappear its illogical.
and future proofing only goes so far as tech changes and driver support dwindles ... first see what you want to do then determine parts needed to achieve that and then source the parts from whomever is giving said parts at a reasonable price. that's how I build my system.
Spoken like a true AMD fanboy!
GREAT video got 7800x3d now 1 month and its great only concern cant run expo 6000mhz but i am fine with that for now will wait for concret fix for expo but yeah have 200+ fps without problem😊
There is nothing stopping the 7800X3D from running Expo at 6000. Is this an issue with your motherboard?
I just get happier and happier that I got the 7800x3d and 4080 (the latter of which a year ago on sale for 100aud less than the 4080 super now!)
Good combo and a great deal!
@erockontech when you will bring the best configuration for 7950x 3D
hey erock,i've seen that exact latency issue but with a ryzen setup(7800x3d)from another youtuber, where everthing would stop working and freezing including windows explorer..
but in that case,the culprit was the ram..
So were they able to fix it? I assume so if it was confirmed to be the ram.
@@ErockOnTech i suppose he just changed the ram kits and it went fine,have you tested your intel setup with other ram kits?possibly something more main stream other than +7000mhz?
Solid video man. I was on the fence when the 7800x3d came out. I saw your video for that, and just too many people were having the same sort of issues so I decided to hold off. I'm glad to hear they turned the ship around. I'm just about due for an upgrade. My i7 8700k with an RTX3090 is still kicking ass, but I'm starting to notice my frames aren't as consistent as they could be. To top it off, my girl is using my old 4690k with a GTX 1080 and she's struggling on a lot of the stuff we play together like Helldiver's 2. So I'm thinking of giving my 8700k and 3090 to my little brother and going all AMD for my household. But now the dilema is whether to go with a 7800x3d, or wait until AMD announces it's successors and compare it to Arrow Lake (desktop). Would be great if on your update to the 7800x3d video you could touch on this a bit.
I will definitely touch on it for sure. But I can also give you some advice now. The AMD CEO Computex 2024 Keynote is 33 days away at the time of this writing. They will likely announce the new CPUs. But there is no guarantee they will announce any X3D variants and whatever they do announce might not launch right away. So all you have to decide is, do you want to wait another 33 days to find out? I can say if you buy a 7800X3D, you will love it. I'll be upgrading no matter what because I have to as a creator in order to cover it. Stay tuned!
@@ErockOnTech is the 7950x3d any better than 7800x3d in your opinion ? I don't know which way to jump, lol. About to do my first build....
@@ErockOnTech that's a good point. One more month of waiting won't kill me lol. I appreciate the insight.
@@belvederebaileycambodia I'd go 7800X3D because 7950X3D has other issues apart from the ones commonly associated with the 7800X3D. I'm sure you already know if you've done your research
My asrock board had base intel settings since atleast december and it was the lowest version 125w/188w version.
it also had a list for 240 aio cooling which was 253 watts and one called 360+ or something similar which was basicly unlocked.
Might be worth your time to check your SOC voltage on your am5 to make sure it’s not running too high. I seen the 7800x3ds were “exploding” and undervolted my 7950x3d down to 1.075v lol.
Yes that was the case a while back. But AMD worked with board partners to issue a bios update to perma fix this issue.
I’m using the 7800x3d, and the same ram kit and the b650 Asus rog strix mb. My pc likes to memory train every time I boot up, I always have to deal with ram speeds, it says it’s 6000 but Ruben master says 3000. My cas latency is at 30. I have expo enabled. My pc is not stable at all and in seriously thinking about switching back to Intel. This is my 1st amd cpu in 6 years. I also can’t boot into the bios, I have to restart multiple times to get it work and it won’t even boot into recovery mode to get into the bios
Will the memory saying 3,000 is correct cuz DDR is double data rate but I would try updating your bios if that doesn't work you can have a dud Ram kit that's just not stable at 6000 even though that's its Expo settings I have ran into a few ddr5 kits that just do not run at advertised speeds
@@BreakingDimes my bios is updated
@@TheManbearpig12 have u tried a different kit
I've been dealing with issues with my 14700kf pc build and I'm sick of having to troubleshoot problems as my new pc is only 4 months old. My current issue is an error message which says explorer exe error memory could not be written when I restart or shutdown my pc. Everything I've tried hasn't worked. 😡
Recently went from an i7-8700 to a 7800X3D and it has been super smooth sailing, fast boots ( context restore enabled ), top notch performance and stability ( using buildzoid's Hynix timings too ), zero issues. I should've done that last year.
I guarantee if someone randomly switched out your CPU without your knowledge you wouldn't know the difference.
The most stable, solid, trouble-free platform today (late April 2024) is AM4. For the vast majority of gamers, a Zen 3 CPU on a B550 board is an excellent match for the GPU they're likely to buy.
You are so correct! AM4 was so good for me.
Looking forward to your am5 setup video
I have a peculiar issue with my 13600k, when watching youtube or a video and I save a pic from FB the pc studders quite often. Not sure if this is along the same lines as what this vodeo is talking about, but it is very annoying and It happens in win 10 and win 11.
Is it worth upgrading from my 12700k to the 13 or 14 i7? I mainly stream AAA games to Twitch and kick and everytime i really look into the idea it just seems stupid to spend that extra money (that I don’t have).
The only reason I I am running a lga1700 system is because I needed to upgrade from my x570s carbon/R9-3900x for Phantom Liberty’s launch…
I really wanted to go with a R7-7700 but the am5 motherboard’s were all stupid expensive last July/august.
I woke up to a once in a lifetime deal on Newegg on 8/8/2023 when I scored a brand new I7-12700k and msi z690 Force Wifi combo for $260.
Didn't you read / hear all the issues intel does has with 13/14th gen?
intel became amd (of old) by making their chips into toasters instead of making needed changes to the architecture. Maybe things would have been different if they didn't fire all their chip designers 14 years ago and sat on their ass by iterating on the same stuff over and over because it was more cost effective instead of innovating.
I wonder if am5 is having the horrible intermittent USB connection problems that plagued me in am4?
For me, so far, no.
@ErockOnTech Cool beans. That's good to hear because sitting there doing nothing and hearing things disconnect and reconnect automatically and repeatedly was enough to pull teeth. Good luck with your new build!
Never had that issue with AM4 or AM5.
I had instability and blue screen issues even while watching you tube videos. I did install the new asus bios 1202 for my Z790 Dark hero. yes it is running more stable but I have an open RMA with INTEL due to issues from the beginning of my build where I had issues even installing my OS
Disable XMP
@@rayw8252 thank you I have I've also disabled AI Overclocking
Hey since you’re more technically advanced than me and switched to am5. I’m not much of a tweaker, I went in the bios and turned on all the good stuff. Ran into an extreme mode with competitive ram timings. My 7700x turbos above 5ghz and runs hot on some games. 240mm aio. My friends told me to stop looking on afterburner and just play the game. So I did just that. I did get some kryonaut paste but I’ve seen it thermally throttle under full load (non gaming)
A few things here. 1. have you tried implementing curve optimizer? Apply a negative all core offset. This will help. 2. 240mm AIO are basically on par with air coolers. You could upgrade to a 280mm AIO or a 360mm AIO. 3. Most CPUs these days hit thermal throttle under full load these days it seems unless you have a very good cooling solution. 4. You can also try Eco Mode in the bios.
@@ErockOnTech thank you I believe I did look into the curve and yeah that’s why I was told not to worry about the thermals because am5 is programmed to run as fast as possible until it throttles
You can now compare AMD vs Intel (base line settings) in gaming. I just ordered an i7 14700k and I want to see if I made a bad decision
The i7 14700k is good all rounder, but the 7800x3d is a little better for gaming. I tossed up between the two about 4 months back and went with the 7800x3d as it also has a upgrade path on AM5, where Intel is a dead end platform.
@@BattleneterThe dead end platform comment is dumb as hell. Reusing the same motherboard is not all that.
@@Battleneter It started crashing in 7 days to die. I'm so sad right now...
Good Video but I am not sure what do you mean saying ''You don't wanna waste more money in Intel'' ?? Is taking to much power or something else ?? My 13900k oc 5.5/4.4Ghz with voltage 1.27. Never had an issue with it. Playing games no more then 100 watts. Desktop 30 watts. Perfectly stable. Cpu no more then 55 degrees while playing and 35 degrees on desktop.
Do you have a timestamp in the video to refer to? I'm not quite sure which part you are referring to and context matters here.
@@ErockOnTechSorry for late respond but working till late. Now I listening Your video again around 3.30 min You are mentioned how many feature for CPU has to be disable to work properly but You are paying for all those features. You are mention that You tried all trouble shooting options but I believe those options was only software oriented trouble shoots. Did try a different Motherboard with a current CPU (Intel) or possibly CPU (Intel) itself is a faulty. I believe You agree with me that PC is like a living organism and there can happened millions things with. I believe in a previous video where You had a problem to run DDR5 at 6000Mhz You at least tried a different ram, Did You tried with Intel CPU. I am not any FanBoy of any Company. I did use in a past Amd - Ryzen 2700x, 3900x, 5900x and I always spend lot's of time to tweak them to best performance vs power consumption. I notice from beginning that CPU, Gpu or even Ram had more voltage then need to work a stable. Not sure if this coming form Motherboard manufacturer or that Intel, Amd, Nvidia suggestion. I did always made my manual OC and I never experience any blue screens or other faults. I disagree as well that most up to date is always better. For expample: Many times people report that Nvidia Driver decrease they Gpu performance or I experience Ram OC with latest Bios. Did You ever try a manual OC or You going for ''Optimize Defaults'' ? I believe in one video You have said that You are Experience Enthusiast High End PC Builder so I cannot believe That You have never tried manual OC. PC has to many parts inside and there anything can happens, sometimes something You would never expect... I hope You new setup will be work perfectly fine and stable. Good luck. Piece.
Hi I have got a problem with my new computer system build it is a new AMD system build the motherboard is MSI B650 carbon WHFI the CPU is 7800X3D the memory card are G skill 32G kit at 6000mhz I am having sound drop out USB drop out as well I have got no idea how to fix it please please please help if you have any idea
Is your ram on the QVL for the motherboard? Make sure you check that first and always.
@@ErockOnTech it is G -Skill 32GB expo for AMD
I do not have expo turn on in BIOS
I am clinging onto my AM 4 5800X for life at the moment.
Since going to the intel baseline profile and just manually tuning a few things It feels a bit more stable-ish but the issue imo are not entirely on the motherboard manufacturers. Intels shifting the blame. If it was merely the motherboard manufacturers then it should be a quick simple bios revision / problems solved right ? Even with the bios, the intel baseline profile and xmp disabled I’m still seeing other people as well as I notice some of the same little issue that recently started popping up. I honestly think there’s some possible chip degradation going on with the 14900k skus. Just my theory. Once stable systems are no longer stable. I’m talking about systems with Manual oc, locking cores and voltages and always staying within the intel pl1 /pl2 limits and voltages. Somethings not right if your seeing systems that manually tuned that know intel in an out who didn’t already trust the motherboard bios to take care of voltage and pl limits. I am fairly certain this isn’t isn’t going away, welll sell more users have these problems and this is just a bandaid fix by intel. I’ve seen one user actually rma his 14900k twice before he got a good one. Same board, same everything but mysteriously why did it take that many rma to get one that was perfectly stable as he claims. I can’t verify his claims but hey it’s gotta be worth lookin into. Wondering if quality control is down or they just simply aren’t testing these chips long enough and in as many boards as they should.
I hope Intel gets it together and works towards efficiency rather than just shoving more power into these chips.
Well said! I agree all around man! I may try and RMA my 14700K. Not a bad idea.
11:35 I have that same motherboard, but the ATX version. I bought it on eBay for $30 with 5-6 bent pins, fixed them, and also from eBay, I bought a 7800X3D for $280 fully sealed. I was supposed to get a 2 x 16 Gb 6000Mhz RAM OpenBox, but the eBay seller sent me a 6800Mhz completely new kit, fired up, and everything works great, yes, including EXPO at 6800Mhz, ended up selecting the option to optimize RAM for higher memory bandwidth (other option is lower latency) and also has been working perfectly with a EVGA XC3 Hybrid 3080 12Gb. I am considering a chance to move to an EVGA 3090, but my monitor is the bottleneck at 5120 x 1440p @ 120hz
I have a LG OLED tv as my main monitor and it is 4K 120hz. I have a RTX 4090 and yeah this TV is now a bottleneck lol.
@@ErockOnTech I'm running an OC Merc 310 7900XTX with a 7800X3D on 65" LG C2 (also have 2 flanking monitors) and my LG C2 has been the bottleneck of my current system, which I am ok with. Knowing I'll be able to max out pretty much anything that comes out over the next couple years is nice. I'll probably still upgrade things for no reason, but it's nice to know I don't HAVE to do it anytime soon.
I bought am5 late last year when the cpu burning issues were resolved.
Since then I have been very happy with the platform.
I have 2x16GB 6400mhz xmp (adie) memories, working daily at 8000mhz cl38 with 1.43v.
This is amazing...
Passed all memory tests (tm5 extreme)...
I think you should give am5 a chance again....
Just bought a 7800X3d, coming from i5 4690K. I'm super super super excited to get massive gains on Paradox games
I had this issue, while it wasn’t a perma fix it at least helped. I had to uninstall some intel drivers, proceed to delete them, and then reinstall them via the motherboard website. I think still felt micro stutters in like osu. I kinda just got used to it since I have no reason to upgrade atm.
I don't blame you for not wanting to upgrade or switch out hardware. You should not have to. But you also should not have to deal with or experience any stutter at all.
@@ErockOnTech I probably will switch out hardware, I’m just not sure what to shoot for.
I'm building my first PC gaming, Gigabyte Aorus x670e Master + Gigabyte Aero RTX 4080 super oc + Ryzen 7800x3d
x670e MSI Ace + Ryzen 7950x3d + Corsair Vengeance 6000mhz c30 64 gb +Crucial T705 4tb SSD+ Cooler Master 700 EVO. Just need to buy 4090 gpu (MSI suprim x)
That will be a great build!
my i7 12700 non k with AVX 512 enabled on my Asus tuf z690 plus wifi d4 at the cost of single i9 12900k is working since launch 😊.
Fantastic! I'm happy to hear it!
@@ErockOnTech thanks bro i will stick to this chip unless Intel releases 12 p core or 16 p core chip . i play with 4 e cores disabled and recently upgraded from 3yr old 3070 Founders edition to gigabyte rtx 4070 ti super eagle oc 16gb at launch 😊 jan 2024
Would be nice if u guys do podcast and talk about your experiences with computers
I'm open to it for sure. We just need Tech Yes City onboard.
Lets go just trying to work the algorithm this man needs more views
my last intel platform was 4gen after that ryzen 3600 and now 5800x3d no need for update right now
Bro thats exactly why i grabbed an i7 as oppesed to the i9, 13, not 14. Seems to have worked for me but my 7800x3d is my golden child.
W! 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU anyways!
You’re correct!
i recommmend to get G.Skill Trident Z5 6400 CL32 if you want best performance & latency but that Z5 6000 is already nice enough yea.
i dont really recommend going Gigabyte for AM5 rn due bios quirk and voltage regulation
the best one to run at low power rn are MSI (with terrible RGB support) while ASUS is still the go-to for OC.. AsRock offer the most out of the pricetag
for configuration suggestion, try PBO -25 or -30 with soc going 1.2v for that 7800X3D!.. the platform is insanely efficient its amazing (the early launch 7000X CPUs is the only exception).
particularly important BIOS settings are making sure DDR5 Nitro are enabled, it'll make first time memory training longer but long-run stability (also hard req for 6400).