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2023 Mazda CX-50 | Trying the RAV4 Formula
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- We review the 2023 Mazda CX-50 to discuss the differences between CX5 and other SUVs. This adds more size and capacity and more outdoor capability. There are many choices however, we cover the pros and cons and technical side, then take it for a drive.
#cars #mazda #tech
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
3:21 Mechanical Impressions
5:23 Driving Impressions
10:12 Final Thoughts
This needs to be pointed out - the infotainment screen becomes a touchscreen while using Apple CarPlay, and you can work the screen while the vehicle is in motion. But once you navigate back to the main infotainment interface the touch capability is disabled. Mazda should seriously consider this setup for all their vehicles as it gives drivers more options.
I like that Mazda locks people out. Keeps my insurance rates down
@@anishannayya1 by using the complicated dial which takes way more time to do simple things?
Mazda is just too behind on tech because they don't have money to improve it
@@gilboman if you’ve never used it just say that. It works just fine and is way less distracting than hunting and pecking on a touch screen
@@gilboman dials are way easier and faster when you get used to it
Man, the screen looks like it's mounted a bit to far away for easy touch screen use. I'd choose the dial.
One of my daily-drivers is a 2019 CX-5 AWD that I purchased new. I shopped it against the German (and Italian) brands and am still 100% happy with my decision. Nice styling, comfy and ergonomic interior, good handling, good fuel economy, perfect reliability so far, etc. - were I to replace it, I'd go straight to the CX-50. I love what Mazda is doing these days. Amazing vehicles for the price bracket, and even beyond. Thanks as always for the excellent content, guys!
Yep. Go ahead and pay more money for a vehicle with less cargo room with the rear seats down than the cx-5, cheaper interior than the CX-5, slower performance than the CX5, rougher ride than the CX-5, but hey; more rear seat room!!!!
I love Mazdas. I've had at least 5 of them and there's one in the family right now.
Did you have to send your CX 5 to service due to the recall for the cylinder deactivation failure?
@@Cable-Tie Never had an issue at all, car has ~24k miles on it and has been dead reliable, just regular oil/filter changes. Hope this helps!
@@michaelp.3485 Yea I agree. The CX5 is better overall just not better looking unfortunately lol. I have both, and I think they could have made the cx 50 more luxurious feeling like thd CX5.
I have this car. It's the best compact suv for the price. I've done a 4k mile roadtrip in it with ease. The steering feel I kid you not, is better than in my m4 competition. Mazda has low-key become the ultimate driving machine with mechanical type of feel where the bmw had gone in the opposite direction with all the electronics. This is the car for those who love to drive but need the practicality of a wagon with some light offroading capability.
It survived a 4000 mile road trip. Congrats.
Dam your mom lives 4k miles away?
I agree on the driving dynamics as I just purchased this car and I also have a 2020.m4 CP.. however the seats are to hard and the 20inch with the suspension, is a nightmare over imperfect roads
@@OMERDULI Yes the bottom part of the seat is too hard, agreed. My ass was in literal pain after a ten hour drive when I had taken it on that roadtrip, lol. With that said, the bottom part of the m4 seat isn't THAT much softer either. I find the seat comfort in both cars lacking. I guess I'd have to upgrade to an M5 to get truly comfy seats. I love how natural and progressive the brake pedal in the mazda feels. The bimmer has a very grabby brake feel, even in the comfort setting.
@@edwint1780 may I suggest a 550 with the M package.. those seats are flawless. My sister has it and I take it out every time she visits..
CX5 - made in Japan
CX50 - made in America
That could be important information for some buyers.
Good to know, I wish it didn’t make a difference quality wise but it honestly does. 4 Runners are still made in an old school Japanese factory alongside some Lexus models.
CX5 it is then
Is CX-50 equivalent to CX-60 in EU?
@@ReneBrakus Not in the slightest. The CX-60 is riding on the new transverse motor platform whereas the CX-50 is built on the Mazda3/CX-30 platform
@@puff5074 thanks going to test CX-60 next week will leave a comment here on my thoughts
Just want to say I appreciate how you lit your face when you were doing the interior overview. It's been cool seeing you and Jack level up your filmmaking chops over the years.
The CX50 is the best looking car Mazda has released in the last few years. It’s one of the few non-sedan vehicles I’d consider buying
Correct
It’s so good looking. Shockingly so actually when you see it up close for the first time
Their stylists have been remarkably consistent. The Mazda3 hatchback is a bit strange, but even it is stylish. I prefer the cleaner CX-5, but Mazda did the outdoorsy thing a lot better than Subaru, Toyota, etc.
I feel the same. Looking to replace my 2018 Mazda 6 and since we aren't getting the new 6 this looks like the next best thing
Mazda did a good job. Still, I would've like the CX-50 to have the overall shape/lines similar to the CX-30.
On the other hand, Mazda coherently keeps the Kodo design for all its cars, the Miata looking by far the best.
I've owned a CX50 - Premium Plus since October 2022. Long story short, I absolutley love the car and have no regrets, nor would I have swapped it for a differnt vehicle in the same segment. Abosultely zero issues so far. The vehicle is extremely comfortable to drive in, and the styling is beautiful aside from the annoying dust/scrath magent in the center console. I'm not a fan of touch screens on my vehicles, so the rotating knob is the perfect and keeps me focused more on the road. My only complaint in the past few months is that the car slammed on the breaks twice thinking that I wasn't paying attention to the road. Both times happned at around 20-30 mph in a parking lot and also when coming to a stop at a red light. There seems to be a little too much sensitivity on this feature but again, this only happened twice so it's not a huge complaint. Aside from that, I hightly recommend this vehicle. I owned a Mazda3 for the past 5 years and had no issues with that vehicle and I hope the CX50 does the same to me.
Do you think this car loses a lot of value when sold?
Mazdas interiors and style always reminds me of the best parts of German cars. Especially the older, simple ones.
Hitting the sand or loose gravel in the drive thru 😂
Or the curb when dozing off from opiate medication. True urban adventure.
Those low profile wheels really scream off road.
People just want to feel and look offroady these days. 99% of people won't even drive on grass or over a curb.
LOL Right? For my use I prefer the 17's on the CX5 sport/touring models over the GT's 19's for reduced road noise and increased highway comfort since we do a lot of road trips. The off-road marketing is just to satisfy the consumers image, Lets face it, even 95% of Jeep Wranglers are used to drive to work and drop kids off at soccer practice.
Would be cool to see someone treat it like a wrangler and lift it with some big tires. I'm curious if/how it would fit the body.
Would def look stupid on a CX-5,
but on this cx50... Hmmm....
Yeah they should be 16s or so
Had one as a loaner while my cx5 was in the shop. It's nice, I like it better than my rav, but the cx5 I think drives better. Rear seat room is still an issue for us with the rear facing car seat - better than the 5, yes, but the rav I barely have to put the seat up.
The way take turns in CX5 I'd ideally want her to be an inch lower. Not an inch higher like the 50.
Same story here. Our CX5 Signature was getting a wheel bearing replaced under warranty and got one of these as a loaner. I like how big it is but it doesn’t feel as planted as my wife’s CX5.
I appreciate you guys honesty. Showing the pros and cons of every vehicle. Hopefully 🤞 all automakers will listen 👂 to your reviews. And make their vehicles 🚗 better; but their isn’t any perfect vehicle.
They wont :\
Was thinking about going for test drive since last few days and here you go SG dropped the review…. Now I am definitely going for test drive !
Thanks, for the video. Love your reviews and your sarcastic remarks and attitude. As a Mazda fan and happy owner of a 2019 CX-5 Signature, with over 58,000 trouble free miles. I was really looking forward to checking this one out. So far I like the overall look and design and the Terra Cotta leather color on the turbo model, but am disappointed in the lack of a 40/20/40 spilt rear seat and multi-link IRS rear suspension like my CX-5.
Overall I still prefer the CX-5. I'm looking forward to seeing the Hybrid version. Hope it comes out soon. Thanks, again for your reviews.
Next year Mazda is coming with a GV70 competitor I think it's the CX70 or CX7 or something like that and comes with an inline 6. Should be a pretty sweet option depending on packaging and pricing.
Where was this reported? An inline 6!?
The autogefuel review is up already if I'm not mistaken.
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The Autogefühl review is here!
@@diegomontoya8889 Already on the cx60 in Europe
GV70 is smaller than what CX 70 would be.
Nov 23 production change introduced retuned steering, suspension and brakes. Softened the steering a bit, softened the dampening a bit and added a bit more initial brake bite.
I traded my 19 330 m-sport for this and honestly I don’t regret it at all; even as a car guy. It drives great, it’s more practical and it’s much cheaper.
Lol you dun goofed bra. You are not a car guy it's official
This is a worse version of Cx-5
@@beefcastle696 might as well, most modern cars all suck now.
@4:35 just FYI Mazda made the i-Active All Wheel Drive Standard on all of our SUVs for 2022, Great video, Savage as always!
I had the chance to drive an early car, turbo model. I was in a CX5 at the time, non turbo. I loved the outside, the turbo motor is awesome and I loved almost all the things about it. A few shortcomings for me, but they're big in my opinion. The panoramic moonroof opens like 9 inches...total. That's just not going to be enough, I want all the air with a roof that big. Missing the 40/20/40 rear fold down seats is a huge miss for me as well. Last, they took away the nice storage features of the rear armrest. Not a big deal if you don't have kids, but I thought of instantly. This was going to replace my CX5 lease, however, I ended up in a Civic Si (and couldn't be happier).
I walked away feeling the same. It was impressive in some aspects, and underwhelming in others. It really does feel more like a city car rather than an off road capable suv. The Rav4 and CRV impressed me more for consistency and balance rather than the drastic changes between "exceptional" to "mediocre". Example, the leather seats are AWESOME but they are manual! in 2022! or the seat fold down was only 40/60, or the suspension was super stiff and uncomfortable.
Many panoramic moonroofs don't open at all. At least this gives some air circulation if you need it.
Being based on the CX30 Turbo I am sure this is a fantastic vehicle. My wife has the CX30 Turbo and is in love with it and I think it is a blast to drive. The problem with the CX50 for me when considering it was that for 43k it just didn't compare to the 2022 Hyundai Santa Fe Calligraphy which was only 1k more. The Santa Fe feels like a luxury vehicle and while the Mazda is quite Euro like in it's interior appointments it still needs to be a 5k cheaper than the Santa Fe to compete with it.
@@layne4376 exactly. At work i'll get into a Ford Expedition Platinum and be like "why would you ever want a Lincoln when you can have this?"
Then I get into a Navigator and suddenly realize why.
Ij9
These Hyundai fan-boys are so boring with their bias. They compare cars based on the interior features (agree, better on the South Koreans, driven by the ex-German cars' engineers hired by the Hyundai/Kia/Genesis group) and powerful turbo engines (the same German approach of the same engineers that "helped" with the planned obsolescence) and not on the more important reliability and TCO characteristics. Where Mazda is far better, just as Toyota/Lexus 😉
But they will find out the truth the hard way when they will get far less money for a SK car vs. this Mazda after a few years (for a car that is today more expensive than this CX-50).
Not trying to be rude but if a cx-30 is a “blast” to drive, you need to seriously test drive more cars. It is fairly good but in no way a “blast” IMO
@@Fabs821 It's the same engine in a smaller, lighter chassis. It's not bad for what it is, a small crossover. Nobody is under the impression that a cx30 drives like an STI or Civic R or something
Why do they keep putting piano black in cars??
Great review, these CX-50’s are built as a Toyota/Mazda joint venture in Huntsville Alabama, where also the Toyota Corolla Cross is built, I’m very impressed with the overall performance and value of Mazda vehicles just recently purchasing a Mazda 3, a family member has a 2016 Scion which is a Toyota/Mazda joint venture vehicle with 200,000 miles with zero issues just normal required maintenance,
Have a VW Golf R.
Family got the brand new CX-30 this year and we also saw CX-50 in the show room. As a Golf R owner, I love the new Mazda infotainment, Mazda interior and all their buttons. I know Mazda interior is usually feels a bit cheap but their new cars are definitely a lot better. All their buttons feel premium.
First few uses, you are a little confused but after awhile, you are used to it. You can drive, and not take your eyes off the road to switch songs, radios, volumes etc (regardless of the steering wheel buttons). I can drive with one hand on the wheel, and leave the other on the arm rest and still be able to change songs and volumes without moving my arms at all.
I'm a huge fan of Subaru but I'd buy this over a new Subaru simply because Subaru use a CVT. And I am one of those that DO go off road. So IF the cladding does provide some protection I'm all for it.
I like the room in the Mazda VS the Subaru. And there is no ugly IPad in the Mazda and of course the fit and finish is world's better.
The CVT in the current Outbacks, particularly the Outback Wilderness, is actually pretty good. Definitely feels like a more modern transmission with more flexibility than the arguably dated and tired traditional 6-spd transmission used in the CX-50, so this is an interesting competition. I get it -- some people just don't like CVTs in principle, but Subaru is delivering a tolerable (if not good all around) iteration of it.
@@zachv8286 towing sucks with a CVT and then there's the rev hang. Don't get me started on that.
@@kevinnorwood7355 It’s not the optimal transmission for towing, I agree. But there are quite a few videos of folks touring cross country with Outbacks and small trailers. As long as the weight is kept in spec, it does the job without issue. The Wilderness final drive is also geared a bit lower as well, which helps.
@@zachv8286 that's with any vehicle
@@zachv8286 You're one of the few people I've ever heard who find the Subaru CVT OK. It's usually hated with a passion by reviewers. I get why Subaru uses it in everything - like Mazda they're a small company that can't afford to offer much variety in their drivetrains. The coarse, loud, thirsty engines are no treat, either, though I do admire their compactness. Mazda's six-speed is obviously dated, but it's very reliable and gets the job done, if with some penalty in gas mileage. The rumored eight-speed is taking forever to appear, but it probably will eventually.
In *most* ways I still prefer the apples to apples trim of the CX-5 versus the CX-50. Goose said it best when he said the inside matches the outside of this design. It’s probably still nicer than a non-fully loaded RAV-4 but the CX-5 is definitely full of nicer materials and fit&finish with a more comfortable ride too, IMO
I work in sales for a Mazda dealership and have found the $34k 2.5 N/A engine Preferred Plus to be the sweet spot for many buyers - power seat, power lift gate, pano roof, and obligatory gloss black wheels.
Are the turbo models of the 50 having problems with the gaskets like the cx30 is?
Only one quibble: There is a touch screen on the CX-50, but it's active for CarPlay/AA only. By default touch works only when stopped, but you can enable touch while in motion in the menu. I prefer the command knob setup but this should satisfy the "I can't touch it" people.
I actually can’t stand the touchscreens because of the fingerprints when the car is off 😂
I just bought a Mazda 3 Turbo, but I seriously considered this CX-50 too. It surprised me with how responsive the engine and tuning were.
Glad you brought up the heavy steering. If it's worse than our 2020 cx5 it'll be a deal breaker. Ours is constantly trying to go back to center like a wound up spring and during emergency turns its resistance is a problem. Heck even long drives it becomes a problem. There is also zero benefit to this heavy steering as it doesn't really provide more feedback. Mazda needs to tie the heavier steering to the sport mode and give a normal or comfort mode that is much easier to turn. Now I grew up driving manual steering cars, standards, even trucks and heavy equipment, so don't poke fun lol. But Mazda is faking sporty by making it overly heavy with no advantages to it. Other brands go too light but sure are easier to daily.
Yeah, I hate the heavy steering on my 3, especially parking.
turn off the traction control… lighter steering 😊
I just got a 2023 CX-5 Signature and one of the reasons was for the firmer steering. I had a 2021 XC40 Inscription that had three steering settings, and although I loved the firmness on-center of the firmest setting, in turns it was numb with no feedback and it felt the same no matter at what steering angle I was. I enjoy the progressive firmness I get from the CX-5's drive and its overall responsiveness is why I went back to Mazda from Volvo. (The Volvo was otherwise great though.) To loop back to this video, I chose the CX-5 over the CX-50 due to its more upscale interior appointments that Mark highlighted in his comments. I was looking for an upscale/premium vibe closer to the Volvo and farther away from the RAV4 that the CX-50 feels more akin to.
I test drove both and preferred the cx-50. It body rolls less than the cx-5 due to it being wider and shorter with a lower center of gravity. I like the heavier feel as the car doesn't go all over the place. It feels like a 1960s or 1970s car. So it's preference
Looking between the Venza, CX-5, and CX-50 for my wife's next car. Just waiting for the prices to come back down to earth, or her current CX-7 Turbo to kick the bucket. Great, informative vid as always.
I've been waiting for 2 years to upgrade my 2009 6. May the absurdity end soon!
I have a cx5, get a cx5
I have a Venza, get a Venza.
I have a CX-50, get a CX-50.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I give you guys kudos for keeping a CX-7 turbo alive...as a previous Mazda service advisor, I can't tell you how many of them were killed by horrible owners that drove them into the ground. Really fun for what they were, when maintained well.
Personally, I would recommend the order as CX-5, Venza, CX-50, if you ask me. CX-5 will be a nice upgrade from your CX-7, Venza would be an upgrade in a different way (just be mindful about a huge change in dynamics), and the CX-50 would basically be a current revision of your CX-7. Definitely drive them all and compare to see what you like most.
@@aprtur Yep, I agree with that order as well. CX-7 is still going strong at 110k miles. I do oil/filter changes every 4k miles. Probably needs a valve cleaning at this point, but no CE lights atm. Only major thing I'm worried about is the timing chain/tensioners. Honestly its not worth spending the money to have it done, so if it goes, it goes at this point.
I've had the CX-50 for about a month and around 2000 miles.
It's a nice car with many little (some big) areas for improvement. I got rid of the 20" wheels. Went with 225/45/18. Vredestines. Looks better, rides a little better and are more practical on rough roads.
The stearing is a bit heavy. Operating the radio is a nightmare. The car would definitely benefit from the addition of sound dreading materials. Engine, trans and handling are all very good. The interior is fine by me but the split door access on the console does it make much sense.
The car is not perfect but I'm enjoying the ride!
Finally a proper review of the CX50. I was getting an oil change for my CX5 Signature and jumped in the CX50. Immediately I noticed it wasn't up to the luxury level of the CX5. From my understanding, Mazda is coming out with a new CX5. The CX50 seems to be going for the the Subaru crowd and the CX5 goes for the Euro brands.
Always enjoy SJ vids, great job guys.
I went to look at the, then new RAV4 in 2019 and was really excited about it coming out, test drove it and kept looking.
I was not looking at Mazda at all at the time and then saw a few vids on the CX5 turbo. We own a 2019 CX5 turbo now and love it to death, only a newer CX5 (hybrid), will get us to part with it. Test drove the CX50 as I was excited about how is looked. Went to get in and my sun glasses on top of my head hit the head liner ( good thing I am only 5' 11").
Then I noticed things were not lining up well, foam piece between A pillar and dash was sticking out, uneven panel gaps, etc.
I dont think there is better cargo room than the CX5 (deeper by 2 inches or some useless thing and the CX5 is wider for cargo). Then there is the torsion beam rear suspension, come on Mazda people who buy your products do so because they enjoy driving!
I'll stick with my Made in Japan CX5 thank you very much. My only 2 gripes with the CX5 are that the seats could be a little more comfortable for long distance (they are a bit too stiff and my butt starts going to sleep after about 2.5 to 3 hours, this is a common complaint) and the rear seat heater buttons and UBS ports should have been where the rear vents are instead of in the rear arm rest.
Oh and yes an 8spd regular auto trans (same as their super reliable and great 6spd) might be an idea to get a bit better fuel economy but really for the performance you get from the 2.5 turbo and getting about 25-26mpg combined, I am not complaining.
I think it's a nice car, and I love it's color options. The thing that bugs me is the piano black plastic. I have no idea why manufacturers seem to think this is a good material to use, especially right around high-traffic areas. It's not as bad as some other cars, but it's still annoying and will look scratched and damaged within a year. Not good if you plan on owning this for awhile
I believe lower priced 2.5 engine trims don't have that piano black crap.
@@ofcbob6391 that is correct. I have a Mazda3 Select and that area is matte black. Same goes for the CX-50 Select.
Just picked up the 2024 CX-50 Premium. Very Pleased. It is solid and prefer the lower ride feeling. It has upgraded shocks and lighter steering compared to the 23' Model. Within 2 days, I found a coding bug. You can use the favorite button to add a radio station to favorites. Discovered you can add the same station multiple times. Ideally, should be limited to once. Also, instead of a delete a favorite screen action, it would be easier to hold down the favorite button to unfavorite a station, essentially a double click.
Looking forward to whatever the hybrid ends up looking like. I'm looking to get rid of my speed3 after a decade and just want something that works nicely
recently bought a turbo premium plus - no mention of the larger towing capacity, a big reason I chose this over the similar spec Subaru. So far it drives great, the color and interior get a ton of positive comments from strangers, but dang some of the safety features can really be annoying. Almost wish I went a spec down, but then lose the awesome zirrcon seats.
This review is classic Mark and the world is better because of it.
I'm going outside to dig some holes just because.
I do appreciate his sarcastic tone. Jack is the straight man. Personally would like a bit more balance between the two. Jack's final thoughts as well.
@@aew1513
With the sheer number of SUV'S they need to review I'm not sure if it's sarcasm any longer or a cry for help. 😂
Really really love the aesthetics but ultimately it’s utility folks buy these things for and while I’d probably take it over a rav, I think I’d still opt for the CX5 for dynamics since the 50 isn’t offering much more in the way of space+worse read suspension. Hard to ignore the new CRV with how much space it has for a similar footprint.
The only thing it missed was having acoustic laminated driver and passenger windows
I’ve watched many review videos, and this is by far my favorite. I just really dig the personality, knowledge and chemistry of these guys. Think I’ll get a CX-50 too!
One thing's for certain, this looks infinitely BETTER than the RAV4! Materials in this CX-50 are also much much nicer.
Agreed
I really like how this looks. If I was gonna buy an SUV I would get one of these.
Came here for the sarcasm, the car review is just a bonus
Just FYI for those watching. It does have touch screen but only in Android Auto or CarPlay. By default it only works when at a stop but you can enable touch screen at any speed in the settings under Connectivity.
God, thank you for mentioning the brakes aren't all touchy on/off. I hear so many say "The brakes are weak." No...they just aren't overboosted to the moon and back to make you THINK the brakes are better.
The issue you showed with lifting up the rear seat is a design issue Mazda has had for some time now. I test drove a Mazda 3 and I think a CX9 about 5 years ago and I noticed that issue then in 2 different models.
Unacceptable for a $43k vehicle, even in today's inflated price market.
Who actually tugs on the rear bottom cushions? Making them stiffer would just mean adding weight and complexity with no gain in function.
@Mark Miller I didn't tug on the seat initially. I don't remember how it caught my attention. When I pulled on the seat, the same thing happened in the video.
@@markmiller3279 I imagine you could feel it being a bit loose while sitting on it. Also possible it could hop up when hitting bumps or when helping to get kids in the back, etc. Just a silly problem for Mazda to have.
I am surprised y’all forgot to mention that the CX-50 is styled as a lifted wagon similar to the Subaru Outback. These are different from the compact SUVs such as CR-V, RAV4, Forester, CX-5, etc.
I test drove this car when they first got to dealers and and wanted to love it so much. But for $43k the powertrain feels so old. The 2.5T has plenty of power but dear lord that old 6 speed hold it back so much. Also you definitely notice the twist beam rear suspension. I think the CX-5 Signature is the better small suv.
The CX-5 is definitely a better value for most buyers. A driver wouldn't know it's a twist beam if it wasn't in the specs. I've driven the previous generation with multi-link and have owned two of the current generation with the beam. The difference won't sway a sale one way or the other to the average buyer. The transmission is reliable and works fine. Adding more gears adds considerable complexity and that will translate to higher cost down the road. It's all about priorities.
$43K. That's all I heard.
@@chrislim7976 on the top end of their 10 trim levels. Yes, ten
"...but dear lord that old 6 speed hold it back so much." So, you think the Savage Geese are lying to us? They don't understand transmissions? You think constantly shifting between gears, including extra overdrive cogs, is a good thing? Dear Lord...
@@kenhoward3512 you need to drive something with a well programmed 8 speed. With all the torque this engine produces a good shift logic would be a wonderful driving machine. But you stick to your 3 speed grandpa.
I'd be very curious to know if the steering is like other models on this platform (2019+ M3 & CX-30), where the steering feels great on smooth roads and normal driving, but when you're cruising down a back road or pushing it a bit, the steering wheel tells you NOTHING about what the front tires are doing. This is particularly terrifying in the winter on slippery roads, as you don't feel the front end lose traction and you have no confidence in the car. This is something their older products, such as the CX3, CX5, CX9, last-gen M3, etc. did much much better. Saying this as a previous owner of a '19 M3S GT, '21 CX-30, and current owner of a '22 CX5.
Deja Vu. I guess that's a good thing? Going way back to the 80s Mazdas tended to have well designed interiors with some cheaper materials, and suspensions (and steering feel) that felt very good in normal driving but not great when pushed too hard. Of course they also lacked engine power and had some ponderous automatics (but good manuals). Even the forgotten 626s were pleasant to drive until really pushed. In the current market, it's to bad Mazda avoiding the whole ecoboost type of engine. A small turbo four would give the base engines more torque and feel less slow than the current NA 2.5. Though I suspect the 2.5 will last a long time while all the turbo engines have that added turbo wear to deal with- and at some point will be an expensive repair
One thing to note, the Infotainment screen does become "Touch Screen" when using Android Auto and Apple Car Play.
I test drove one today and I have to say it was underwhelming. Steering was very loose, the vehicle didn’t feel solid, and it lacked the Mazda zoom zoom feel.
They "de-luxuried" the interior by removing soft touch but kept the piano gloss around the highest traffic part of the interior - the center console. Good choice Mazda!
Drove one of these a few months ago I was impressed.
Sorry to split hairs on you but it actually is only available in AWD. Every SUV/CUV in Mazda's lineup went to AWD only for the 2022 model year.
Yup. It's kind of a big detail that they missed.
I love that car driving is very nice, only problem I have is the harsh suspension and a bit of road noice on highways
I don't hate the looks and overall approach but I'm disappointed it didn't retain the IRS of the CX-5. I've noticed the rear end motions of their cars with the torsion beam leaves something to be desired (but this is coming from a neurotic car nut).
@@mezzb I appreciate the input. My experiences are from horrible Pittsburgh, PA roads so it may be environment specific.
I drive a 3 turbo in KCMO and I genuinely only notice the beam going over speedbumps. I've taken it on a turn on an on ramp that you can do 90 on and it has 2 big junction patches and it handles it as good as the Giulia I had. Much better than the MK7.5. Doesn't skip a lane or anything
Brown is beautiful. Mazda is in the perfect position to make a wagon: lower this and add more length behind the rear seat.
They've had the Mazda6 in Wagon, Diesel, AWD, etc. forever. Just not in the US.
What do people think of the side to side leg room for the driver? I have a CX-5 and as a taller person (6'2"), my knees are cramped side to side because of the center console. Is the 50 better in that regard?
It’s angled outward slightly at the top and unpadded. My only gripe with the interior. However, I’m taller and find it has more space than the 5
Okay good to know, thanks. Sounds like still an issue but not as bad as the 5.
I’m not feeling the cheap plastic on the sides
Mark, if you still have that press car, try to poke the front grill - it’s literally a giant piece of plastic that would go in and out lmao 😂! Remembered this when you talked about lifting the back seat with two fingers 😱
Sounds like a good thing. Not only it is safer for pedestrians, but it also means what would be a bill for a new grill in other cars buffs out on its own.
@@bzdtemp You have a point. But what bothers me is how the CX-50 is more expensive than the CX-5 while using cheaper/worse materials. Flimsy grill might be a good thing in terms of safety, but Mazda should reflect that in a price reduction, not price hike. With the torsion beam and all the other less sophisticated mechanical designs, the profit margin is too high for this.
@@JimmyXie Well. That something gives doesn't mean it was cheaper to make, in fact the opposite could be true.
Only the bean counters at Mazda knows for sure what is cheaper to make, less sophisticated may "just" mean things are more durable/sturdy and I did not hear the word primitive used anywhere. Personally I do not view the CX-50 as a lesser car, the focus is a little different than for example the CX-5 which to me is means more choice.
@@bzdtemp they probably balance out to a similar cost to make at the end of the day, but the problem is primarily this - UAW will take more time and therefore be more expensive to build a car than a line worker in Japan. This has shown up in past comparisons as to why a lot of manufacturers avoid US assembly of their vehicles. Take the cheaper materials, deal with more expensive UAW contracts, and you end up with the same cost, but an inferior product. Tack on that Japanese QC is generally more stringent (less of a margin for the US, but huge gulfs for MX built vehicles), and that doesn't help either.
"FULL ENGORGEMENT has been connected"
Mark, I just can't with you. lol
Looks pretty good. Something to consider and test-drive for sure.
Thanks!
Can u guys do a Mazda CX5 review
Was considering 2023 Subaru Outback but it’s just too ugly to look at every day, so started looking at this
I saw one up close at the dealership not long ago to get my battery replaced for 2018 Mazda3 (baytery on warranty). I was actually impressed it wasn't the I'll get use to it and starts to look nice but it actually looks good I just don't need a SUV.
Does this have cylinder deactivation? If so, how is it?
Hey Mark, can you do an update review on the '23 Nisan Rough with the 3 cylinder turbo?
Wait the rouge has a 3 cylinder?
I guarantee you I do more off-roading in my 2015 Honda Civic than anyone who buys these “off road” vehicles. I regularly have to go off road to get to my house, inclines, small rocks, big holes, grass. My little sedan does it all effortlessly. You don’t need AWD and special suspension
The stock tires on Mazdas aren't great. I do not know if that's changed recently but I've noticed a significant increase in comfort and performance since upgrading mine.
I have 2019 CX5 Signature. I upgraded to Michelin Pilot All Season 4. The improvement is substantial in every way. I also went up in size to 245/50-19 from 225/55-19. Using an app, I found the speedo difference is only 0.2 mph.... reading of 60 is actually 59.8. The price is about $100 more per tire compared to the standard Toyo tire, but the tread is rated to last twice as long with the Michelin, and they are wider and lower, but ride better and are also quieter. They also had a $75 rebate which sealed the deal.
@@robertdevoy3119 those are great tires. Stock tires are honestly a liability, especially if you live in a snowy state
Saw this at the dealer , and its a beautiful car, the non turbo price is very reasonable and the northern CA dealer asked $1500 over msrp, inside and out its very nice ! (Very Nice for the Price , its no BMX X3 or Audi Q )
Orlando Fl at sticker on CX50 and $1100 to $2300 under sticker for the CX5 depending on trim
I really like this Mazda, but we bought a 21 Outback XT Touring. Looking at specs, our Outback is faster, bigger & better mpg. We love our Outback too, awesome road-trip car.
I personally will stay away from any CVT car.
I’d stay away from Nissan’s, but the Subaru & Honda ones now are pretty good. I’ve grown to like the smoothness.
When did this whole "OUTDOOR/TRAILS" narrative became a thing for US "consumers"? Isn't it just to sit higher and feel tuff, like "I'm gonna ktfo you out of this driveway"?
Come to the Intermountain West and we'll show you real "outdoors/trails."
You’re kidding, right?
Limp boys in big trucks have always been a thing. Women wanted in on the game, too.
The US is the land of the insecure and a LOT of people buy vehicles with soothing their insecurity and stolen valor as priorities one and two.
Where the fuck have you been living for the last 20 years? Your lack of awareness does not mean it hasn’t always existed
There's a whole brand called Jeep you're apparently not aware of.
I’ve taken my rav4 into the dubai desert 😭
The seats are free to structure so are free of scratching sounds with years. I owned mazda and it is an optimal practical investment. Very good balanced in every aspect
Road noise... I think it's lack of noise detenting to save weight. The tires Goodyear Touring) recieved high marks for being smooth and quiet.
How does it drive compared to the CX5 rear suspension?
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Mazda 6 best choice I ever made, big fan
every time jack calls japanese people “takumis” i envision the derpy face in initial d episode 1
When will companies stop catering to OFF ROAD enthusiast. No one goes off road. And if you do that a lot, you’re not gonna buy a Mazda. Get a grip
Simplistic but effective is a motto of this car, actually. :)
I like most of it. Hate the screen, not even a knob thing but I hate how the dash is swallowing it and it's so small. I use maps a lot so a bigger screen is much better. Also wanna know if the rear seats are down, is there enough room for me to sleep in it? I can sleep in my Tucson, but not comfortably. Also hate the stitching look, reminds me of jeans from the early 80s.
I like Mazda's infotainment. It's superior to reducing distracted driving than an all touch screen system.
Great review. No nonsense, practical roomy everyday driver that looks better to me than anything from Toyota, Honda etc.
Poor sales
Especially like yours videos cover the undercarriage👍👍
Looks great. I'm considering getting one.
Props to Mazda for the simple, functional physical controls.
Agreed, though they really should increase the size of their infotainment screens. When the Mazda3 came out the smaller size was still acceptable, but this one is ridiculous.
@@markmiller3279 Disagreed on infotainment size. I like the screen nonexistent or otherwise non-essential. Smaller and more easily deactivated the better. All I ask for is folder navigation for a USB stick or a CD player.
When you said how great the rs3 is while driving it, have you ever tried the previous generation? I was wonder if you could give any slight comparison? Thanks
Mazda is just making a lot of fabulous cars. The trouble is a lot of people don’t know it. Their entire line is always up there with the best of them are better by far I go to brand.
When you guys pick on each other I get offended, but I like it.
All 2022+ CX cars are AWD in North America - just FYI since you said a couple of times that AWD is optional.
I have a CX5 and CX50. My take is, the CX5 is more of a lux car in how it feels and drives while the CX50 is more rough and tumble. Not in performance but in appearance and feel. As a guy who likes sporty feeling cars I enjoy the 50 more. The 50 also is looks better. I will say that both CUVs NEED the turbo motor to perform comfortably in traffic. The torque you get from the Mazda Turbo 4 is way more valuable than the HP. Cons, the Meridian with the Apex package that includes the roof rack is loud on the interstate. If not needed consider taking it off for daily driving if you have one. I am very happy with both CUVs and would suggest both to buyers. It really depends on the "feel" they want to get out of their vehicle.
I've always liked Mazda
Been subbed for over a year. Gotta tell ya … the constant snark and sarcasm gets old.
Your mom gets old
@@MrIlovebmw86 that is how time works.
I'm confused about the card at 17sec. Mazda doesn't offer a 2023 cx-50 with 227hp and 310lbft. And it wouldn't be the premium plus it would be the turbo premium plus, with 256hp and 320lbft.
I would have liked to see the evaluation of the sound system.
Good looking car but in Canada it's the same price as the Toyota Venza, a bit smaller but hybrid for the Toyota, and as much as I like the CX5, I don't know if a $40K CAD non hybrid car is good nowadays anymore... opinions?
if this thing were the height of a V60 CC, or as efficient as a V60 T8, i'd probably have ordered one... lord knows on long drives, I'd probably spend less on gas with the CX-50 regardless, since the T8 takes premium... but as is, it's just a lil too much $ for not quite my ideal car... but it's sooo close.
I was kind of hoping you would say the carpet matches the drapes
Non-turbo model has CYLINDER DEACTIVATION (Displacement on Demand; Variable Cylinder Deactivation; Variable Displacement) which Mazda has been having trouble with.
They have? That’s weird. It’s been out for 4 years now.
I only know of some ticky lifter issues on the 18s. And some oil leak complaints on the early ones as well, but that had nothing to do with the deactivation itself.
Of course, there are the technicians that feel the need to reseal the timing cover and put RTV on the O-rings. That REALLY pisses off the cylinder deactivation, but that’s not Mazdas fault.
Consumer Reports still rates Mazdas very highly (up there with Toyota and Lexus), so it can't be a problem affecting many vehicles.
i like they are moving back to physical controls off of all electronic panel based stuff. Even if it the same electronics back end at least I can use the controls in the 4 months a year i'm wearing gloves abd don't have to worry about slowly refreshing screens in 10 degree f weather.
Mazda has always had physical controls, partly because their infotainment system is dated and very limited. I do think HVAC controls should be physical - they need to be adjusted frequently - but some of the less commonly used features would be fine on-screen.
As always, love your honest car reviews. Thank you. I’m curious for your opinion, CX50 Turbo or Subaru Outback Turbo? Thanks gents.
Chiming in, here, since nobody replied. I have a CX-50 turbo, but I also wouldn’t mind driving an outback xt. XT is a little quicker than the CX-50, has a little more room for passengers and a lot more for cargo, and it has a little more supple ride. Despite being slightly slower, the CX-50 is more of a driver’s car with it’s sporty feeling, and it has more physical buttons for things, versus the Subaru where a lot of the buttons are in the touch screen. The CX-50 is a bit more rare and doesn’t have a mom-car stigma, and it stirred the emotions in my heart much more than the Outback. Can’t go wrong with either one, they’re both nice cars, but I preferred the Mazda. The terracotta interior feels exotic, and the car feels luxurious and worth the money. So in-short, it just comes down to preferences. Which do you value more: utility, or sport & style?