Yeah the Dragon Ball Minus “Plothole” isn’t really one anymore with context of the Super Broly movie. We see Bardock trying to stop Frieza in the movie. And with Gine’s line in the manga of “I’ll tell Raditz.” Can you guess what happened like ten seconds later? That’s right, planet Vegeta got destroyed and Gine died, so she wouldn’t have been able to tell Raditz. And she didn’t even have a scouter, so she couldn’t have sent him a voice message either.
Piccolo says that minutes pass inside of the room in spirit in time while hours pass outside the room is not a plot hole because later on, it addresses that he made a mistake and was wrong. Read Dragon ball chapter 498.
You’re right😭🤣it was just supposed to be a gag. Piccolo is always worried about some dumb s***💀in that chapter he thinks desde is dead too when he can perfectly feel his ki at any moment🤣
I don’t mind much of Beerus being a moving goalpost. The problem itself was Toriyama putting out numbers, like Beerus using 10% or being a 9 while God Goku was a 4 , then putting out that He’s the strongest of the GODs. Once Goku Surpasses Beerus then it’s gonna be hard to justify a villain stronger then him or near angel level.
I guess they could find a way to introduce Titans or just wrap up dragon ball altogether and just do anthology movies(I strongly doubt they’ll wrap up dragon ball though, I’m just throwing ideas around)
Tien is stronger than Krillin. He was stronger than Krillin in OG. Saiyan Saga, I don't know. Cell Saga Krillin couldn't even make Cell weave his attacks. Tien was on demon time. Resurrection F Tien and Piccolo carried while Krillin had to be saved by tracksuit Gohan💀. TOP Krillin got eliminated first. Krillin glazing is crazy. Tien>Roshi Resurrection F proved it😂😂
The time chamber thing wasn’t a plot hole. Piccolo actually DID have a brain fart and acknowledged it later. Time didn’t even pass much outside like he claimed it did. Buu immediately turned everyone into chocolate when he came out.
the Minus section is not a plot hole. Literally in Minus Bardock tells Leek to watch his tone mentioning Freeza because they can hear through the scouters. Obviously with Raditz away with Vegeta they would only communicate via Scouter so anything Gine or Bardock tells Raditz about Goku being sent off will not mention the reasoning behind it else Freeza and his men will hear and catch on. Also did the guy not watch the Broly movie? everything is LITERALLY shown, Raditz and Vegeta finding out Vegeta was destroyed by an asteroid and him mentioning his mom saying something about Goku being sent off but he just scoffed it off as unimportant.
@@arkkon2740 Doesnt make it worse, it proves that the creator of something creates the rules for said thing and can decide to make an exception at any time
@@xenten_4810 If you as an author cant make a plot point and follow along it consistently just because it doesnt work, its a bad plot point Same reason why Goku could have just summoned Zeno on Moro because he literally forgot he had the button last time he used it, so why didn't you just get it once you got back to earth?
Pretty sure the trip to namek alone took 6 months for krillin gohan and bulma also krillin and gohan had to heal from their injuries which were broken bones and that takes a few months to heal not to mention that bulma and her father had to fix up Kami’s ship which didn’t happen overnight I’m pretty sure him saying the saiyan saga and the namek saga are only a month apart is just blatantly wrong
Sage, you have to watch Casual Anime Guys video titled, The “cannon” Dragon ball super Power Scale, as he actually explains why beerus is such a moving goal post and how it wasn’t actually Toriyamas idea. There’s actually a’lot that was added to super that wasn’t Toriyama’s original vision, like the entirety of UI
The time chamber isn't a plot hole, hours passed outside because ya boy Gotenks had to scream for 6 weeks straight to tear through to the living world 😂
His first plot hole doesn’t even make sense by the time trunks became a super saiyan Geros computer had all the info he needed on the sayians especially cuz he was the only one left idk why cell sayin it was no point in getting his dna is so baffling unless I’m tweaking
Pretty sure it was anime only, manga doesn’t talk about trunks being there at that time unless he’s confusing it with the time cell stole the time machine
i hope sage sees this cuz i always wonder if u put a stone dragon ball after a wish into the time chamber can u spam wish shenron by waiting a day in a chamber.
The third "plothole" is also not a mistake. If either Kami comes back to life or Shenron is remade, the Dragon Balls reset immediately. That's always been a rule. In OG Dragon Ball, after Piccolo kills Shenron, Kami remakes Shenron. After he does that, the Dragon Balls immediately become usable, despite only being used a few days earlier to restore Piccolo's youth. The same thing happened in the Freeza Saga, after Kami was revived, the timer on the Dragon Balls reset. He literally SHOWS THE PAGE IN THE MANGA proving him incorrect lmao. Idk why he tried to use that as proof, it literally shows the Dragon Balls resetting after Shenron's revived despite them just being used. An ACTUAL plothole similar to this one happens in the Red Ribbon Army Saga. In that saga, Goku (and the RRA) goes to look for Dragon Balls. However, the last time the DBs were used was 8 months ago, not a full year ago. And this time, Kami wasn't revived or anything, so the timer shouldn't have reset.
The funny thing about the first plot hole is that you gotta remember that dbz had 4 different timelines. On dragonball wiki it says that in timeline 3 (the timeline that cell originated from) a future trunks from an “unknown timeline” killed Frieza and king cold instead of Goku. Thing is, it just doesn’t really make sense because why would future trunks come down, take out Frieza and his dad and just dip and never come back? More than likely it’s wrong and there is no “unknown timeline” or “unknown future trunks”. Also, I’m not sure if Cell said that about Trinis in the manga, but someone can correct me if I’m wrong
Make a video of you giving anime characters just enough abilities they need in order to beat Goku. (Super Goku, and you CAN restrict him to specific transformations.)
Bro the minus plot gets even worse because at the beginning of the DBS Broly movie raditz even brings up that gene told him she was sending goku to a different planet and yet says nothing about her warning him that frieza was the one who was gonna destroy the planet
My biggest plot hole Has always been, Why didn't king kia help gohan or trunks in the future trunk's timeline? You said, King kai either doesn't know or doesn't care and i cant subscribe to that take. Goku dies well before the andriods. Makes sense. After he dies, he either a, goes back to king kai and trains or b, tavels to heaven and trains there or c, sonce he died of natural causes, he probably dosnt have his body but i think king yenma and/or king kai, since goku killed freiza and king cold, probably allows him to keep said body. Vegeta was still evil at this point so hell for him. Bu the rest of the z fighters? Each one is murdered and more then likely goes back to king kai, they tell him the situation and hes like "naw but hey, good looks on the freiza thing." For him not to care or even not know whats going on, is a terrible take and its just something mr.toriyama didnt think about too much
Actually this is a compound issue that makes a few things worse. If Kai doesn't know, then is he blind all of the sudden? He can check on Goku while he's on namek, while he's sick, he can see everyone on the Kaioshin realm, but he just has no idea whats going on during the future? There are only very few, very minute differences between the timelines, there is no way King Kai just disappears when he's never seen off of his planet. If he doesn't care then it would be super out of character. He had eyes on the entire cast in the original timeline but he turns tail and disappears? Is it because Goku is dead? Is it because everyone else thinks they're haunted or something? No sense in the slightest And if you wanna bring Beerus threatening to kill him in the equation then that just means he just killed him. Why? We will never know because it wasn't told to us why KK was silent in both Super and Z
@@arkkon2740 I only said this because sage said back shit, I don't know, 4 months ago I think, when I said my future timeline take, ha said king kai either dosnt know or care. So you listing these things off is great points, good looks g
To be fair to the db- one it’s very possible that raditz didn’t get the message due to frieza intercepting it or she couldn’t get the message out before Vegeta’s destruction and the old Kai comment doesn’t have to mean power level he could’ve easily meant in terms of behavior,beerus is a pretty bad dude who will destroy a planet for very little
That would also mean Frieza or one of the soldiers told Raditz that Goku was on a mission rather than being considered MIA or dead. And the Beerus-Buu thing in general is odd, mostly because he never actually gives a description. He just says he's as bad as buu, but it leaves out the mindless destruction vs a spoiled child with the power of a god. Buu wouldn't seal someone in a sword, he would kill em.
The only way I can see not taking Trunk’s cells makes sense is if he was referring to History of Trunks timeline when he first achieved SSJ and by then that power has long since been obsolete and Cell was most likely well into his development.
But the second one was never a mistake, it was literally stated that Piccolo got confused in the manga, and that only a few seconds passed in the outside world. That's how Dende escaped without Buu killing him, Buu managed to eat everyone but didn't have time to chase Dende as Piccolo and Gotenks came out literally seconds after him.
Pretty sure the trip to namek alone took 6 months for krillin gohan and bulma also krillin and gohan had to heal from their injuries which were broken bones and that takes a few months to heal not to mention that bulma and her father had to fix up Kami’s ship which didn’t happen overnight I’m pretty sure him saying the saiyan saga and the namek saga are only a month apart is just blatantly wrong
Beerus canonically wasn’t even using a fraction of his full power in the fight against SSJG Goku so how is him still being stronger so crazy?😭 You could argue that that fucked up by saying Jiren was stronger but that’s just one instance.
This was at the start of the series, 10 years later with most of their training being with Whis, at least 3 allusion to Beerus being surpassed, and he still washes both with his hands behind his back People seem to forget that every single character that "uses a fraction of their power" end up getting surpassed in that arc, we havent even seen Beerus go 50% at all against anyone dog
@@arkkon2740 I remember there being one allusion and that was when Jiren was stated to have surpassed Belmod and Belmod was supposed to be stronger than Beerus (which the Manga showed otherwise)
@@jaydinarroyo3936 One in the top, one in the granolah arc because the term "Gods" seem to be used loosely now all of the sudden, and another from Broly movie promos because it ALSO states that such a fight would surpass the gods, but thats like every time they day that
So like, is anyone going to point out that the bots saw Trunks but Gero didn't know what SSJ was...? Did he really just not pay attention to the computer, or is it a plot hole?
Not even sure if this counts as a plot hole, but the god hierarchy makes no sense. In the TOP you have the Supreme Kais attending, but there's only one Supreme Kai and maybe an attendant. But in Z there were 4 Supreme Kais and the Grand Supreme Kai in one universe, but now for some reason other universes don't have those. That and the fact a God of Destruction is linked to a regular kai and not the Grand Supreme Kai doesn't make much sense. But I shouldn't expect much for interdimensional middle management
I'd say its a plot hole. If i remember this right, most of those kais are still alive or some got absorbed by Buu. Later down the line its said that Buu's power comes from the Supreme Kai, but he's not the only kai that got eaten. So not only are there universes missing their kais, the Angels have absolutely no idea what happened to them. Its implied the kais somehow moved themselves to universe 7 but the angels would likely find this out and question them. Its both a plotpoint that goes nowhere, and a plot hole that makes you question the reliability of some characters. Side note, Kid Buu/Uub's energy was so great that it was enough to get Goku from blue to a new stage of UI casually. Kid Buu was nowhere near this strong orginally and this kind of implies the Supreme Kai had SO much power that he could wash Moro, but in reality he and the other kais got dogged by a reletively weaker version of Moro. Thats two in one right there
This is not a plot hole. If ALL supreme kai's die then the god of destruction dies. Every universe has multiple we only see 1 in TOP cause it's unnecessary to have more then 1 present. The ones we see are the leaders aka grand supreme kais of each universe. Universe 10 is the only one with 1 cause zamasu died and there is no rule there has to be more then 1. Some universe chose to only have 1 supreme kai.
@@sarthakarora3212 There can only be a single supreme kai, the other kai are just the lower kai and grand supreme kai, which there is only one of. If a single universe can have multiple supreme kai then you might as well consider every kai a supreme kai, just so the destroyer doesnt die due to that kai being incompitent or their own incompetence.
Oh, as for Gine "telling Raditz" about Kakarot... Y'all do realize she dies right after this, right? Even if she claims to tell him, it doesn't mean she gets the chance.
@@scizorbullet8185 Admittedly, I hadn’t paid attention to that dialogue early in the Broly movie, thanks for pointing it out. So I assume she uses a Scouter then?
Depending on the continuity, doesn't Beerus have both UI and a perfected form of Ultra Ego? Shouldn't that theoretically make his power "unbounded" like Vegeta says UE does?
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Mr. Popo was the realest black alien man in that series. Other than Uub popping up later. Side note: I knew Majin Buu was black he had the tendencies.😮💨😭
It adds to his catalogue of feats, but it doesn't really remedy the fact that he's treated like an unstoppable force while ads imply he's surpassed. And if you wanna give Beerus some Manga credit, I wanna tell you that he rolls post TOP Vegeta and says he's not even close yet. If that gets included in the anime then its basically a spit in the face to everyone that said Goku surpassed him in the TOP, may I remind you that the anime is technically at the post Granolah phase right now.
@@nickalas666 Its about the same though. The only reason why the manga seems more consistent is because we don't have weird mini arcs or plot bits where nothing happens (jello vegeta) or nothing matters (ressurrction f)
@@arkkon2740 yeah but it never stated that anyone surpass him,it don't have scenes that don't make anysense like the anime, powerscaling is fine and not exaggerated like the anime.the manga also focus on telling a story
Dumbest recon/facts in Super is the fact that laser pointers and regular Bullets hurt Goku and especially where dude was in a GOD form. More proof SSJ God is Trash lol. SSJ4 form character wouldn’t have been hurt by no damn bullets lol 😂
Your math about Beerus isn't wrong, your beliefs that he doesn't get stronger wrong. Whis isn't just his caretaker, he's also his trainer. While the saiyans get stronger, so does he
Beerus was asleep for a majority of the arc, and if he wants a successor so badly I think its bad to then continue training Even if youre bored, you can do other things in the mean time. Complaining about having no match while continuing to train as already the strongest in your universe is really stupid As a matter of fact, are you getting this from Champa? The whole thing between Vados and Champa is just a long running fat joke, no implications are there for him or Beerus
I love how the title says all of these are wrong, then he proceeds to agree with each of them 😭
Every title is like that, called clickbait. Still like him tho dont get it twisted.
@@starxdreamz. It's not clickbait. It's straight up lying. If it was something like "Is Swagkage WRONG!???" Now THAT is clickbait.
@@pepper5709 what's the difference lmao
You should Watch Salad Saiyan’s “The truth behind Berrus’s power creep”. It might fix most of your problems with him as far as power creep goes.
It's still annoying
Yeah the Dragon Ball Minus “Plothole” isn’t really one anymore with context of the Super Broly movie. We see Bardock trying to stop Frieza in the movie. And with Gine’s line in the manga of “I’ll tell Raditz.” Can you guess what happened like ten seconds later? That’s right, planet Vegeta got destroyed and Gine died, so she wouldn’t have been able to tell Raditz. And she didn’t even have a scouter, so she couldn’t have sent him a voice message either.
That’s what I was thinking but the video he’s reacting to is 7 years old
The fact people say 10% times 10 isnt 100% is actually concerning. Its like elementary/middle school math...
Piccolo says that minutes pass inside of the room in spirit in time while hours pass outside the room is not a plot hole because later on, it addresses that he made a mistake and was wrong. Read Dragon ball chapter 498.
You’re right😭🤣it was just supposed to be a gag. Piccolo is always worried about some dumb s***💀in that chapter he thinks desde is dead too when he can perfectly feel his ki at any moment🤣
When we getting that DBZA character tier list 🤨
I don’t mind much of Beerus being a moving goalpost. The problem itself was Toriyama putting out numbers, like Beerus using 10% or being a 9 while God Goku was a 4 , then putting out that He’s the strongest of the GODs.
Once Goku Surpasses Beerus then it’s gonna be hard to justify a villain stronger then him or near angel level.
I guess they could find a way to introduce Titans or just wrap up dragon ball altogether and just do anthology movies(I strongly doubt they’ll wrap up dragon ball though, I’m just throwing ideas around)
Goku already surpassed Beerus in the anime
You just end the series with them moving to the next generation like they did in gt lol.
Not Really evil angels exits. Hell the main villian of heros is a fallen angel.
@@Santzu_ in the manga Vegeta still got washed, so unless Vegeta is so far behind that he's behind Goku AND Beerus, neither are stronger than him
Tien is stronger than Krillin. He was stronger than Krillin in OG. Saiyan Saga, I don't know. Cell Saga Krillin couldn't even make Cell weave his attacks. Tien was on demon time. Resurrection F Tien and Piccolo carried while Krillin had to be saved by tracksuit Gohan💀. TOP Krillin got eliminated first. Krillin glazing is crazy. Tien>Roshi Resurrection F proved it😂😂
Krillin surpasses all the humans in the namek saga when he got his potential unlock
Toriyama always says krillin is stronger so tien > krillin. idk why krillin is always strogner
@gaara_death88 Even then, Resurrection F says otherwise.
Tien wasn't even in Namek💀
@@user-kp6on7gj9w krillin was always stated to be the strongest human
Krillen trains with 18 and in the buu saga is way above someone who gave Goku after he died in the cell saga a run for his money.
The time chamber thing wasn’t a plot hole. Piccolo actually DID have a brain fart and acknowledged it later. Time didn’t even pass much outside like he claimed it did. Buu immediately turned everyone into chocolate when he came out.
the Minus section is not a plot hole. Literally in Minus Bardock tells Leek to watch his tone mentioning Freeza because they can hear through the scouters. Obviously with Raditz away with Vegeta they would only communicate via Scouter so anything Gine or Bardock tells Raditz about Goku being sent off will not mention the reasoning behind it else Freeza and his men will hear and catch on. Also did the guy not watch the Broly movie? everything is LITERALLY shown, Raditz and Vegeta finding out Vegeta was destroyed by an asteroid and him mentioning his mom saying something about Goku being sent off but he just scoffed it off as unimportant.
The dragon ball thing isn’t a plot hole in Dragon Ball it’s shown that Kame can make them usable anytime
That just makes it worse than. If Kami can make the dragon balls usable at any time then why not make like 15 wishes in that arc?
@@arkkon2740 Doesnt make it worse, it proves that the creator of something creates the rules for said thing and can decide to make an exception at any time
@@xenten_4810 If you as an author cant make a plot point and follow along it consistently just because it doesnt work, its a bad plot point
Same reason why Goku could have just summoned Zeno on Moro because he literally forgot he had the button last time he used it, so why didn't you just get it once you got back to earth?
Pretty sure the trip to namek alone took 6 months for krillin gohan and bulma also krillin and gohan had to heal from their injuries which were broken bones and that takes a few months to heal not to mention that bulma and her father had to fix up Kami’s ship which didn’t happen overnight I’m pretty sure him saying the saiyan saga and the namek saga are only a month apart is just blatantly wrong
@@heretics_archive Yeah but in OG Dragon Ball Kami makes them usable soon after King Piccolo had made his wish.
Super goku got a plot hole in his brain
Ayo, I want another tier list, that sounds fun!
Sage, you have to watch Casual Anime Guys video titled, The “cannon” Dragon ball super Power Scale, as he actually explains why beerus is such a moving goal post and how it wasn’t actually Toriyamas idea.
There’s actually a’lot that was added to super that wasn’t Toriyama’s original vision, like the entirety of UI
The only Popo plothole is the hole that's gonna be put in you if you question Popo.
In terms of the Beerus retcon, Salad Saiyan did make a video based on that, please check it out man.
The time chamber isn't a plot hole, hours passed outside because ya boy Gotenks had to scream for 6 weeks straight to tear through to the living world 😂
His first plot hole doesn’t even make sense by the time trunks became a super saiyan Geros computer had all the info he needed on the sayians especially cuz he was the only one left idk why cell sayin it was no point in getting his dna is so baffling unless I’m tweaking
Pretty sure it was anime only, manga doesn’t talk about trunks being there at that time unless he’s confusing it with the time cell stole the time machine
i hope sage sees this cuz i always wonder if u put a stone dragon ball after a wish into the time chamber can u spam wish shenron by waiting a day in a chamber.
The third "plothole" is also not a mistake. If either Kami comes back to life or Shenron is remade, the Dragon Balls reset immediately. That's always been a rule. In OG Dragon Ball, after Piccolo kills Shenron, Kami remakes Shenron. After he does that, the Dragon Balls immediately become usable, despite only being used a few days earlier to restore Piccolo's youth. The same thing happened in the Freeza Saga, after Kami was revived, the timer on the Dragon Balls reset.
He literally SHOWS THE PAGE IN THE MANGA proving him incorrect lmao. Idk why he tried to use that as proof, it literally shows the Dragon Balls resetting after Shenron's revived despite them just being used.
An ACTUAL plothole similar to this one happens in the Red Ribbon Army Saga. In that saga, Goku (and the RRA) goes to look for Dragon Balls. However, the last time the DBs were used was 8 months ago, not a full year ago. And this time, Kami wasn't revived or anything, so the timer shouldn't have reset.
The funny thing about the first plot hole is that you gotta remember that dbz had 4 different timelines. On dragonball wiki it says that in timeline 3 (the timeline that cell originated from) a future trunks from an “unknown timeline” killed Frieza and king cold instead of Goku. Thing is, it just doesn’t really make sense because why would future trunks come down, take out Frieza and his dad and just dip and never come back? More than likely it’s wrong and there is no “unknown timeline” or “unknown future trunks”. Also, I’m not sure if Cell said that about Trinis in the manga, but someone can correct me if I’m wrong
Make a video of you giving anime characters just enough abilities they need in order to beat Goku.
(Super Goku, and you CAN restrict him to specific transformations.)
Bro the minus plot gets even worse because at the beginning of the DBS Broly movie raditz even brings up that gene told him she was sending goku to a different planet and yet says nothing about her warning him that frieza was the one who was gonna destroy the planet
My biggest plot hole Has always been, Why didn't king kia help gohan or trunks in the future trunk's timeline? You said, King kai either doesn't know or doesn't care and i cant subscribe to that take. Goku dies well before the andriods. Makes sense. After he dies, he either a, goes back to king kai and trains or b, tavels to heaven and trains there or c, sonce he died of natural causes, he probably dosnt have his body but i think king yenma and/or king kai, since goku killed freiza and king cold, probably allows him to keep said body. Vegeta was still evil at this point so hell for him. Bu the rest of the z fighters? Each one is murdered and more then likely goes back to king kai, they tell him the situation and hes like "naw but hey, good looks on the freiza thing." For him not to care or even not know whats going on, is a terrible take and its just something mr.toriyama didnt think about too much
Actually this is a compound issue that makes a few things worse.
If Kai doesn't know, then is he blind all of the sudden? He can check on Goku while he's on namek, while he's sick, he can see everyone on the Kaioshin realm, but he just has no idea whats going on during the future? There are only very few, very minute differences between the timelines, there is no way King Kai just disappears when he's never seen off of his planet.
If he doesn't care then it would be super out of character. He had eyes on the entire cast in the original timeline but he turns tail and disappears? Is it because Goku is dead? Is it because everyone else thinks they're haunted or something? No sense in the slightest
And if you wanna bring Beerus threatening to kill him in the equation then that just means he just killed him. Why? We will never know because it wasn't told to us why KK was silent in both Super and Z
@@arkkon2740 I only said this because sage said back shit, I don't know, 4 months ago I think, when I said my future timeline take, ha said king kai either dosnt know or care. So you listing these things off is great points, good looks g
@@Lokoclutch98 future timeline is plothole mania
To be fair to the db- one it’s very possible that raditz didn’t get the message due to frieza intercepting it or she couldn’t get the message out before Vegeta’s destruction and the old Kai comment doesn’t have to mean power level he could’ve easily meant in terms of behavior,beerus is a pretty bad dude who will destroy a planet for very little
That would also mean Frieza or one of the soldiers told Raditz that Goku was on a mission rather than being considered MIA or dead.
And the Beerus-Buu thing in general is odd, mostly because he never actually gives a description. He just says he's as bad as buu, but it leaves out the mindless destruction vs a spoiled child with the power of a god. Buu wouldn't seal someone in a sword, he would kill em.
@@arkkon2740 old Kai was supreme Kai at the time so beerus couldnt kill him
@@arkkon2740 but yeah raditz shouldn’t of known about where goku went unless there was a log of where ships went and when or something like that
The only way I can see not taking Trunk’s cells makes sense is if he was referring to History of Trunks timeline when he first achieved SSJ and by then that power has long since been obsolete and Cell was most likely well into his development.
It was stated in the very film that Beerus was lying about 10%
But the second one was never a mistake, it was literally stated that Piccolo got confused in the manga, and that only a few seconds passed in the outside world. That's how Dende escaped without Buu killing him, Buu managed to eat everyone but didn't have time to chase Dende as Piccolo and Gotenks came out literally seconds after him.
Pointing out plot holes and inconsistencies are fun to point out and give us something to talk about
The trunks one even tho its still a plot hole they got the reason wrong. Trunks and cell are from different timelines
The manga never retcons Beerus power
Pretty sure the trip to namek alone took 6 months for krillin gohan and bulma also krillin and gohan had to heal from their injuries which were broken bones and that takes a few months to heal not to mention that bulma and her father had to fix up Kami’s ship which didn’t happen overnight I’m pretty sure him saying the saiyan saga and the namek saga are only a month apart is just blatantly wrong
Beerus canonically wasn’t even using a fraction of his full power in the fight against SSJG Goku so how is him still being stronger so crazy?😭 You could argue that that fucked up by saying Jiren was stronger but that’s just one instance.
70% statement.
This was at the start of the series, 10 years later with most of their training being with Whis, at least 3 allusion to Beerus being surpassed, and he still washes both with his hands behind his back
People seem to forget that every single character that "uses a fraction of their power" end up getting surpassed in that arc, we havent even seen Beerus go 50% at all against anyone dog
@@espurrseyes42That was the movie. That was retconned for the Anime/Manga. Like I said he was stated to have not even used a fraction of his power
@@arkkon2740 I remember there being one allusion and that was when Jiren was stated to have surpassed Belmod and Belmod was supposed to be stronger than Beerus (which the Manga showed otherwise)
@@jaydinarroyo3936 One in the top, one in the granolah arc because the term "Gods" seem to be used loosely now all of the sudden, and another from Broly movie promos because it ALSO states that such a fight would surpass the gods, but thats like every time they day that
So like, is anyone going to point out that the bots saw Trunks but Gero didn't know what SSJ was...? Did he really just not pay attention to the computer, or is it a plot hole?
Not even sure if this counts as a plot hole, but the god hierarchy makes no sense. In the TOP you have the Supreme Kais attending, but there's only one Supreme Kai and maybe an attendant. But in Z there were 4 Supreme Kais and the Grand Supreme Kai in one universe, but now for some reason other universes don't have those. That and the fact a God of Destruction is linked to a regular kai and not the Grand Supreme Kai doesn't make much sense. But I shouldn't expect much for interdimensional middle management
I'd say its a plot hole. If i remember this right, most of those kais are still alive or some got absorbed by Buu. Later down the line its said that Buu's power comes from the Supreme Kai, but he's not the only kai that got eaten. So not only are there universes missing their kais, the Angels have absolutely no idea what happened to them. Its implied the kais somehow moved themselves to universe 7 but the angels would likely find this out and question them. Its both a plotpoint that goes nowhere, and a plot hole that makes you question the reliability of some characters.
Side note, Kid Buu/Uub's energy was so great that it was enough to get Goku from blue to a new stage of UI casually. Kid Buu was nowhere near this strong orginally and this kind of implies the Supreme Kai had SO much power that he could wash Moro, but in reality he and the other kais got dogged by a reletively weaker version of Moro. Thats two in one right there
This is not a plot hole. If ALL supreme kai's die then the god of destruction dies. Every universe has multiple we only see 1 in TOP cause it's unnecessary to have more then 1 present. The ones we see are the leaders aka grand supreme kais of each universe. Universe 10 is the only one with 1 cause zamasu died and there is no rule there has to be more then 1. Some universe chose to only have 1 supreme kai.
@@sarthakarora3212 There can only be a single supreme kai, the other kai are just the lower kai and grand supreme kai, which there is only one of.
If a single universe can have multiple supreme kai then you might as well consider every kai a supreme kai, just so the destroyer doesnt die due to that kai being incompitent or their own incompetence.
The beerus thing wouldn’t be a problem if they ain’t show hints of goku getting closer or jiren being over the G.O.D
My head canon is that Beerus lied to Goku especially since he recently woke up. Beerus troll moment probably
beerus be lying though we never really knew how strong he was
Cell actually came back from a different timeline thanTrunks'.
Oh, as for Gine "telling Raditz" about Kakarot... Y'all do realize she dies right after this, right? Even if she claims to tell him, it doesn't mean she gets the chance.
That's the only logical way that it makes sense but kid raditz does confirm she told him in the broly movie
@@scizorbullet8185 Admittedly, I hadn’t paid attention to that dialogue early in the Broly movie, thanks for pointing it out. So I assume she uses a Scouter then?
a contradiction isnt really a plothole, beerus put the kai in the sword thats the plot
Depending on the continuity, doesn't Beerus have both UI and a perfected form of Ultra Ego? Shouldn't that theoretically make his power "unbounded" like Vegeta says UE does?
Yes he does. But only UE his UI is worse then goku's to the point it's unusable.
His Channel is him try to make fan base mad he say Naruto was a good show in dragon ball z video but if you look at his channel you will see a video Naruto is overrated.he make fan base mad so people will click on his video
Whats the point of the title? Bro litterally agreed with almost all of them
If none of namek or saiyan saga happened and piccolo wasn’t evil why would the androids win it would be the same in many ways just everyone is weak
Mr. Popo was the realest black alien man in that series. Other than Uub popping up later.
Side note: I knew Majin Buu was black he had the tendencies.😮💨😭
Hereos has blue and ss4 equal and I am dying on that hill it cannon @ me
did you stop the total drama reactions
DBZ only Toonami
beerus make sense if u read the manga
It adds to his catalogue of feats, but it doesn't really remedy the fact that he's treated like an unstoppable force while ads imply he's surpassed.
And if you wanna give Beerus some Manga credit, I wanna tell you that he rolls post TOP Vegeta and says he's not even close yet. If that gets included in the anime then its basically a spit in the face to everyone that said Goku surpassed him in the TOP, may I remind you that the anime is technically at the post Granolah phase right now.
@@arkkon2740 am not talking about the anime am just talking about manga because the story is more consistent
@@nickalas666 Its about the same though. The only reason why the manga seems more consistent is because we don't have weird mini arcs or plot bits where nothing happens (jello vegeta) or nothing matters (ressurrction f)
@@arkkon2740 yeah but it never stated that anyone surpass him,it don't have scenes that don't make anysense like the anime, powerscaling is fine and not exaggerated like the anime.the manga also focus on telling a story
@@arkkon2740 its not the same only the top arc is okay in the anime
Dumbest recon/facts in Super is the fact that laser pointers and regular Bullets hurt Goku and especially where dude was in a GOD form. More proof SSJ God is Trash lol. SSJ4 form character wouldn’t have been hurt by no damn bullets lol 😂
Sage react to more Swagkage please
Your math about Beerus isn't wrong, your beliefs that he doesn't get stronger wrong. Whis isn't just his caretaker, he's also his trainer. While the saiyans get stronger, so does he
Beerus was asleep for a majority of the arc, and if he wants a successor so badly I think its bad to then continue training
Even if youre bored, you can do other things in the mean time. Complaining about having no match while continuing to train as already the strongest in your universe is really stupid
As a matter of fact, are you getting this from Champa? The whole thing between Vados and Champa is just a long running fat joke, no implications are there for him or Beerus
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New character tier list would be grade A content