Why The MCU Spider-Man Suits Don't Work
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Tom Holland's Spider-Man has been through way more outfits than his counterparts Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield - and yet none of them have had a fraction of the impact. I look at the costumes Peter will don in Spider-Man: No Way Home, as well as giving my thoughts on the trailer and the future of the wallcrawler on screen.
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My top 5 suits:
1. Tobey's Suit
2. The Upgrade Suit (FFH onwards)
3. The First ASM Suit
4. Stark Suit (Civil War onwards)
5. ... Probably Tobey's Black Suit tbh!
What's yours?
Here my
1 DIY Homemade in Homecoming suit
2 Spiderman Toby (if count Mile morales animated it will be here)
3 New Red &Gold logo suits in the trailer
4 Homecoming suit
5 ASM second suit
I would trade ASM 2 suit for the first
1. Raimi suit
2. AMS2 Suit
3. Raimi Black Suit
4. FFH Upgrade Suit
5. Stark Suit
My top five would be:
1 Upgrade Suit
2. Civil War Suit
3. Homemade suit
4. Amazing Spider-Man 1
5. Night Monkey suit
Honestly, for me, it’s gonna have to be…
1. TASM 2 Suit
2. MCU Far From Home Suit
3. Raimi Spider-Man 1 Suit and Raimi Spider-Man 3 Black Suit
4. TASM Suit
5. Tie between the Homemade Suit and the Stark Suit
Honourable mention = Japanese Spider-Man Suit. Dunno why but I just like the look of it.
One of my favorite scenes from TASM was when Peter was designing, building, and test driving his Spiderman suit. It was a good way to show his creativity and engineering skills making his identity seem more earned.
no it was not
@@dailyduck1488 explain
@@dailyduck1488 Yes it was.
That point can be used with toms making his suit. The normal argument against Tom tho is that he used stark tech to make it but Andrew literally used oscorp tech
@@HPlayss true, it's less about the tech and more the fact that Tom designed it in an airplane using a hologram projector thing while Andrew built it in his basement, it's a much more friendly neighbourhood feel.
It's like you read my mind, man. Red and black should be Holland's default. I, too, was really disappointed to see the Iron Spider suit continue beyond the Infinity Saga.
How is it upsetting especially when their handling it well. Didn’t even get used in ffh and is now being destroyed by Doc Ock, I get it’s overstated its welcome a bit but I think they way they’ve handled it is good
Would be cool if the second Holland trilogy keeps the far from home suit. As his definitive one.
for real, i like the iron spider as a one off, but it has definitely overstayed its welcome and looks like its even going to be a plot point in this movie...
Judging by the trailer, it looks like the iron spider might go out of commission and he'll revert to a more classic suit
are you telling me you don't want to see iron spider suit's and doc ock's arms go at it? smh
If you didn’t think Disney was interested in just selling toys, one of the “new” suits is literally his costume inside out.
What
Please explain
@lilmil
It's not. You can't flip a Stark suit inside out. It's got stuff on the inside.
@@Carabas72 the insides are now outsides
@@Carabas72 yes you can. watch the scene in Homecoming where takes off the training wheels protocol. he flips it inside out to hotwire/hack into it. it's black and gold just like the suit from the new trailer
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Peter didn’t customize the suit, he just magnetized the web shooters so that they wouldn’t get destroyed fighting Electro, and that wasn’t even Peter, that was Gwen.
And she made that suit for him
Well it was Gwen’s idea, but Peter executed it. Peter still tried to insulate them before and used her advice to get them to work.
One thing I will give the MCU suits is the eyes moving help sell some emotion on an otherwise unmoving face and that’s a cool touch that makes it closer to the comics / tv shows where they can change it how they like to suit the mood of the scene
Makes it cartoonish in a good way
you’d think it would be a great reason to have him keep the mask on since they can have him emote while it’s on but NOPE
@@thund3rbird738
It's comicbook-accurate in a good way.
@@lordnerdyguy he keeps it on way more than Tobey and Andrew
@@lordnerdyguy what do you mean?
As someone who somewhat loves all of the suits in the MCU so far, besides for that god damn Iron-Spider, I completely agree- I was hoping the Upgraded Suit would be his main suit for the rest of Spidey's time in the MCU.
The suits look great especially the homecoming one, but he gets so many that they have no meaning to them and no identity
@@chrisquinn3377 Upgraded suit, black and gold and integrated are literally the same suit
@@ericstorm6582 I know the black and gold suit is just the black and red one, but the integrated suit looks like absolute garbage, just keep the black and red it looks good, but I'm not sure what you're saying since he's had 5 suits in two movies
My only issue with the upgraded suit is the white spider on the back - but that’s just a taste thing.
The black and red looks great, and is very evocative of the comic suits as well as the Spider-Man 2 suit (the blue in that was so dark it practically looked black in several scenes).
@@chrisquinn3377 I actually rlly like how the integrated suit looks, but yeah I can definitely understand how ppl could dislike it
As someone who likes less greeblies on Spidey suits...even the Stark Suit felt a little flat. But, the one Peter builds in Homecoming is definitely my favourite of the MCU Spidey's suits, for sure, so I hope it does stick around as his mainstay.
The Stark Suit is the same one that's in Homecoming. He didn't build is own suit until the third act of Far From Home, which is the one that he's shown wearing in the No Way Home trailers while swinging around with MJ.
Unless you're talking about the homemade suit he had when Stark first found him?
@@Phobia38 I'll admit, I got the movies mixed up XD
I do like the homemade suit too, though XD
in the new prequel to civil war/homecoming "spiderman freshman year" and will explore spideys backstory in the mcu so we'll see him using a lot more of the homemade suit!
@@Lucerna999 says who?
@@umcThunder72 I'm pretty sure Peter is given the Stark Suit to lend for the first time in Civil War after Tony criticizes the Homemade Suit, so it's the only other suit that we know that Peter had before then.
As an artist, this dumb "bulldozing through outfits" is actually something I look forward to in each MCU movie. I always find it fun to see new costumes or new versions of old costumes and break down their designs, and I'm unashamed to say that I'm a sucker for Spidey's new outfits, with his red and black Parker/Upgraded suit being my favorite of them all. And you're all right: they're made to sell toys, and if I had enough money I for sure would dump it into one of those gorgeous Hot Toys figures.
Also, the need for more suits gives a job for the artists to do, so yay for that
You know what is the worst part? All these people complaining about the suits being awful are going to change their opinion in a couple of years and will complain about the old suits being cool and the new ones being awful. There is no way to please inmature fans
@@jordoruiz0001 it's moreso how often they change
But it's a minor gripe really and it doesn't really effect overall enjoyment of the films
Yes like what is peoples issue i love em
The comics do too, and characters like Nat and Steve only benefitted from that
These internet people complain ab every thing too come off smart
The issue I’ve got with the Holland suits is that they don’t feel tangible, like you could really feel them and their effect against the environment.
With Tobey Maguires suit it always looked and felt real because it was an actual suit. You could clearly see the man behind that suit when it was damaged to, Ripped and torn in each movie giving emphasis to just how dangerous being spider-man was with how Damaged the suit could get.
I grew up with Maguire spidey, so maybe nostalgia is clouding my judgement, but that’s just my opinion about the different suits. Primarily just the effect of how they endure battles.
My only problem with the og suit is that the mask fusing into the suit just didn’t make sense
Oh and tasm suit was make out of Nike shoes but tasm 2 was kinda good
@@internettraveler8666 true, but most superhero suits have to make concessions to reality to translate to film as best as possible.
I feel that tobey always had the best suits you could feel him breathing through the suit and see how dangerous being Spider-Man really is
@@internettraveler8666 I always thought his mask was extra stretchy
Perfectly put
I honestly don't get the criticism for the black and gold suit.
It makes alot more sense for Peter to inverse the suit so all the conductive material being on the outside protects his body, than only wearing flammable spandex and no actual protection against the probably thousands, if not millions, of volts Electro can put out, like Peter did in TASM2.
I don’t get the criticism for any suit in no way home they’re all brilliant to me
Except the normal iron spider they can keep that
@@Alejandro333777 I mean they’re kind of adding in the film so it gets destroyed therefore never show up again with an actual explanation
yeah
The black and gold is literally his FFH suit inside out
My feelings on Peter's outfits in the MCU are pretty much the same as the costumes of every other character in the franchise. Yes, they tend to go through a lot of them, but as long as I can easily recognise them as this or that character I'm largely fine with them. Hence why I'll forever have issue with the costumes given to the early live action X-Men movies 😅
My favourite Spider-Man suit is Andrew’s amazing Spider-Man 2 suit. It looks so perfect. The only thing I would change is the back symbol from the tasm logo to the classic ant/beetle logo to give it that classic touch, however I’m good with it both ways.
TASM was better .
Which would be stupid because spiders don’t look like beetles.
Tom Holland’s Stark suit had it. It’s classic.
I would also lift the chest symbol a bit higher. I always felt it was a little too low (looking like it was at the bottom of his sternum)
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And suddenly. Spiderman no way home recons this entire video
Yup! Even if he did have a lot of costume changes before arriving at the classic at the end, each had a decent reason to exist and was tied into the story. The Iron Spider and nanotech interacting with Doc Ock's arms (and the neural connection that both use) was a nice touch. His suit getting graffitied was pretty funny as well.
I dont really mind the different Suits, its not like the Suits are that bad or take something away from Spider Man, it just looks cool.
After watching the movie. This video is a lot funnier, especially the beginning
Why would peter throw away the Iron Spider suit? Especially in Far From Home of all movies, does that really seem in character to you? "Oh, man Mr. Stark just died, well better throw away the suit he made for me. It's not like it has any sentimental value or I care about him enough to keep it. I'm just gonna throw it away and make my own suit completely from scratch."
Right, this guy just hatin on MCU spiderman. Consider his face like Bect (Mysterio) surely he want us hate on Spiderman
Because throughout both movies they try to establish Peter to be his own hero but he literally learns nothing and goes through the same arc each movie. At the end of Homecoming he turns down the Iron Spider suit to represent his growth just to wear it in literally his next two solo movies.
@@3mbthelabel I don't remember Peter wearing iron spider suit in far from home, and he only wears the iron spider suit in NWH because it was an emergency situation
@@3mbthelabel That's not really true, the arc peter goes through in both movies are different. In Homecoming he learns to be content with what he has and that no matter what he can still be a hero even if he isn't an Avenger, he's still spider man no matter what. In Far From Home he learns that he doesn't need to be perfect. Everyone makes mistakes especially the heroes he idolized like Tony, he isn't more or less of one because of his mistakes and that when he does make them he needs to get back up and try to rectify them.
@@spritvio639 Literally if you swap your descriptions for the films they both would describe the same exact movie. The same themes and the same lessons learned. FFH managed to somehow make every problem in Homecoming even worse. No Way Home was pretty good though. Fixed the problems and issues of the films.
the otto dated joke is not a criticism, the writers are portraying the teenage characters, do you really think they would not laugh at that name
This is very true
Personally I don’t think anything can top the Rami suit, it’s a classic.
But I can say that Andrew’s homemade basketball-skin and sunglasses combo from TASM comes a close second. It’s got personality and matches the edgy coming-of-age theme the movie has.
I think Andrews TASM 2 suit and the Civil War/Homecoming suit look better. I never liked the massive, metallic raised webbing, and the eyes were way too pointy.
The Far From Home Suit is easily my favorite suit.
Edit: I'm talking about the suit in the final battle, obviously.
Hello?TASM 2?
@@aliupsr hell no tasm 2 had an amazing suit but the first one was terrible
First of all I completely agree about the Iron Spider suit: ugly as sin.
However, I actually like heroes having new suits fairly often, for a couple reasons. One, it is more realistic, since in real life technology progresses very fast and if you want to always be using the most cutting-edge stuff you will need to upgrade often. It totally makes sense that Captain America's body armor would be upgraded in the three years between Avengers and Age of Ultron or in the seven years between Civil War and Infinity War. This also helps to emphasize situations where there is a good reason *not* to upgrade, like how in the The Dark Knight Rises, Batman is still wearing the same costume from The Dark Knight because he has been retired for eight years and hasn't ben keeping up with upgrading his suit. The other reason I like multiple suits is that it drives home that the hero is the hero, no matter what they are wearing, and changing up their costumes frequently helps remind the audience that there is nothing special about the costumes themselves, just the people inside them.
Peter Parker isn't supposed to be special Spider-Man is. The narrative is supposed to be anyone can be Spider-Man not anyone can be Peter Parker. But it seems people just don't understand Spider-Man's character and that's why they don't have a problem with him having 1000 suits in the MCU.
@@3mbthelabel We can agree to disagree, but to me what makes Spider-Man special is his morality, his genius intellect, his humor and his superpowers, and those things are all tied to the person, not the costume.
@@3mbthelabel he’s only had about 5 suits in the mcu so what point are you trying to make. He’s only had his original suit, his stark suit, iron spider, the night monkey suit he doesn’t even have anymore, and now the integrated so that makes it 4.
I'm not sure about the Iron Spider being ugly, I think it looks pretty good.
@@spadesofpaintstudios1719 You forgot his og suit before he met iron man
_"Why the MCU Spider-Man Suits Don't Work?"_
*Tom Holland:* I am nothing without this suit.
*Tobey Maguire:* That's a cute outfit, did your husband gave it to you?
Honestly, it could be a fun way to poke at the hyper PC culture of today and how acceptable insults have changed since early 2000s if they did that... But modern Disney probably wouldn't be able to pull it off as a fun reference and make it super cringe.
No but I guess you could say his Adoptive Daddy… if you want to with the gay joke again… but I doubt they would.
MCU Spider-Man doesn't work cause he doesn't make semi homophobic comments?
He only wheres black now cause the damn green screens turned blue.
Damn bro, No Way Home just fixed your criticism. He finally makes his own suit at the end of the movie. I just wanna make it clear that I’m not hating on you or nothing. I just thought it was funny that it feels like No Way Home kinda ‘responded’ to your criticism by having him make his own suit. Now, the MCU Peter is the most comic accurate Spider-Man we’ve ever gotten
Yessss preach 😂
Yeah but it only took 3 movies lmao
@@Elena-yv6cx Well this was the only way it would've made sense. His universe is already filled with tons of heroes so they gave each movie an individual meaning - Homecoming shows him how to become a super hero, FFH shows how to use his powers effectively, and NWH shows him how to actually become Spider Man. Makes perfect sense and the fact Tom's getting more movies just makes it better
I think that all the creation of the suits make sense within context. Sure, some may be a bit farfetched, but all scenarios are believable.
The red-black upgrade suit? he didn't have a suit for the final battle in FFH since iron spider was left at home, so made a new one.
Also, about the iron spider suit being in No Way Home, i think it makes sense in context. From FFH's last scenes, you see him using the upgrade suit back at home, meaning he prefers it over the iron spider. So when he's going out to fight crime, he'd readily wear the upgraded suit.
BUT, the upgraded suit's problem is that peter can't carry it with him all the time. So my guess is that he carries the iron spider suit (in compact form like tony did in the beginning of infinity war) when he's out as peter parker in case of any emergencies.
To back up my point, in the first NWH trailer, you see peter on top of the car, wearing a classy suit and tie, then activates the iron spider suit. My guess is that he was on his way somewhere wearing fancy, but since doc ock appeared, he used his "emergency backup suit" which he can carry around anywhere discreetly, unlike his favourite upgraded red-black suit.
This makes a lot of sense, good observation.
Interesting observation....
THIS
My friend you’re a genius!
But then why doesn’t he just wear the normal suit underneath like every other Spider-Man.
The raimi suit is the most accurate one for me, it's somewhat cartoony (i love it for that) and the fact that it doesn't change much or at all during the trilogy really gives you the feeling that peter is as broke as can be.
Idk, it’s hard to buy that Peter is broke when the suits look as high end as they do in that trilogy. It’s TOO perfect looking, but the design itself it beautiful. Alex Ross’s criticism of it, to me, is completely valid.
Also, the main suit still did change every movie, although the 2002 suit is much more noticeably different from the 2004 and 2007 variations. To me, 2002 suit (excluding maybe the front logo) > 2004 suit > 2007 suit
@@stanfordfeynman2796 ok
@@blaze7014 understandable
i personally don’t agree, but i get where ur coming from
I quite like the iron spider suit. And his useage of it in homecoming (i think?) Makes sense. Why would he throw away an objectively superior suit, when he's dirt poor and can't really afford a half decent suit?
The night monkey suit i always just thought existed because Peter didn't want to lug around the iron spider.
The upgrade suit is certainly one that i think peter would likely wear for most his time after homecoming, being a brillant suit that he designed himself, bringing him forward from his days as iron man Jr and into proper spider man territory.
I do think he would keep iron spider around, and fighting the old villans would probably be the time you would use it, but definitely not day to day use, and i hope we see very little of it.
The intergrated suit i would then say is just iron man mark 4, but I'll agree it does seem stupid.
And then turning it inside out is fine. Yeah, its a new look, but it can make sense and I'm always willing to let companies try to make extra money if they do provide actually good entertainment.
I agree. The iron spider might be my favourite mcu spider-man suit. It makes sense he keeps the suit for especially dangerous threats and someone like doc ock can definetely be categorized as such.
Night monkey makes also sense. He wears a dark suit in the dark so it has a purpose.
I am also looking forward for the upcoming suit with the white spider as he reminds me of the ps4 spider-man who is arguably one of the best versions of the character in the last 20 years.
We don't know the purpose of the suit yet and how he gets it but I can imagine that he gets the suit from doc ock like in the ps4 game as he seems to become an allie of the spider-men in the trailer
@@GalaktischerHirnsauger i hope doc ock doesn’t go good. i want all them niggas menacing😭
@@GalaktischerHirnsauger White spider? Doesn't the new suit has a gold spider?
@@osamabeenhadhoes5187 Doc Ock literally turns good at the end of his own movie.
I agree.
Next thing u know… its revealed tom has the best one in the end
Civil War Suit: A new upgrade because he can't do war in a hoodie n sweatpants = makes sense.
Infinity War Suit: Let's him breathe in space and other planets and it helps for bigger battles such as the one on Titan = Makes sense
Far From Home Suit: The Homecoming/Civil War/Stark Suit was destroyed during one of the Elemental battles. And the Stealth suit (that was used to keep his identity safe) was basically just taken from him when he was found unconscious on a bullet train. The advanced suit was made for the final battle of Far From Home = Makes sense
The Black and Gold Suit: After someone threw green slime on his suit he had to wear it inside out = Makes Sense
The new suit with the gold spider: A new suit for the final battle. I'd imagine that it also protects him a bit more. = Makes sense
Also Doc Ock's arms absorbed the armor so that Intergraded suit is literally the only suit he has left
Thank you, you saved me time was gonna type this same thing
I’m pretty sure the final battle suit is just his black and red with a nano tech symbol on it that’s why it’s called the integrated suit
Like why is he complaining about the story making sense. Why wouldn’t holland use the iron spider whenever possible its his best suit.
@@keving5004 No problem. I just tried to make a point that it's not always about toys. This Spider-Man has different suits for different situations. If anything that's more realistic in my opinion
@@mikeplatt6382 Could be true
Bro I feel like you’re kinda salt. There’s a lot of people who haven’t seen the original trilogy that will be hearing these jokes for the first time. And even me someone who grew up with the raimi trilogy enjoyed the callbacks and am excited for this new take
You clearly didn't see that Otto was allying with Holland and company.
Yeah based on his other video and this new trailer I thought he'd love seeing Otto possibly be friendly with Tom's Peter.
I maintain the Stark and Upgraded suits are top tier. Everything else I could take or leave.
agreed!
This is incredibly nitpicky. First of all you're wrong when you say that Peter swapping out suits is "few and far between" in the comics. Obviously he always has that base level red and blue to go back to for the smaller scale stuff, but if anything when compared to other superheros, Spider-Man is KNOWN for just how many goddamn suits he has. Look at the PS4 lineup! It's absolute insanity!
And speaking of PS4, You argue that Peter in that game had a more consistent look than the MCU version How? He started with the classic suit, developed the Advanced Suit because the classic got damaged and Otto contributed his ideas, And then created the Anti-Ock by the end. The same goes for Miles actually. Starting in his hoodie, getting the pajamas, And then going to his classic. They did admittedly spend more time in their respective new suit, But that's mostly just because it's a game.
You also really over-exaggerate the overuse of the Iron-Spider, He only REALLY wore it for one film. Infinity War. He was only an Endgame for like a combined 2 minutes maybe, And it would have been weird for him to have a different one in the first place, And he only wears it in Far From Home in the opening, where he doesn't even fight anyone in it. (Using a deleted scene is pretty bad faith)
Every suit in the MCU has a good explanation for being there.
-The Homemade was his first
-The Stark suit was a necessary upgrade for Civil War that he spent nearly the entirety of Homecoming wearing
-The Iron-Spider was so he could breathe in space
-The Stealth Suit was that his classmates didn't recognize Spider-Man in Prague after he had disappeared, which is a legitimate reason by the way after what happened in Washington.
-And the Upgraded Suit was because he didn't have access to the iron spider stark or even stealth, So he needed something new. It looking like Spider-Man didn't matter because he wasn't intending to get caught in the first place, he was going to dismantle the illusion from the inside out.
Peter wearing the Iron-Spider again in NWH makes sense because the only reason he didn't use it in Far From Home was because he didn't bring it with him. After that seemingly destroyed by Otto, He's likely going to switch to his Upgraded Suit, which eventually gets turned inside out for reasons we'll find out in the film, And eventually he has to upgrade that to the Integrated Suit, Which seems to essentially "integrate" nanotechnology with his Upgraded suit.
All of these make sense and have a purpose. And for a character that is KNOWN for having a trillion different suits for a trillion different situations, It fits like a glove.
great points all aroundd
I think this whole "iron boy" criticism is starting to lose validity. I saw the point of it and it made sense to me too in the past, but at this point I think you should accept that it is who this spider man is in the MCU and you either like it or not, but expecting it to be any different would be asking for it to be worse.
I mean, this spiderman has a story that's deeply connected to iron man, it's part of who he is, and it will always be. It's not because they cannot write a spiderman movie without having tony stark or his technology playing a role even if Tony's been dead for years. It's because Tony is an important part of who this character is. And it's also an important part of what the MCU is. It's like if you were complaining that Uncle Ben keeps being mentioned in the other Spiderman iterations.
Now, of course you have the right to dislike the MCU version because of it, because spiderman usually has a different background, a different character development, etc. And you feel this is too different from what are the elements that make you like spiderman as a character. Ok, it's fair and I get it. But this version of spider man cannot be that any more. Maybe a couple of movies ago they could've still gone that route. But now the character has gone too deep in another direction. Not mentioning Tony Stark because you want to make Peter more like he traditionally is in the comics would make less sense than having Peter always coming back to his memory. Not having access to Stark technology, wouldn't make sense for the way the universe has been built. Ditching the iron suit just so he can become "classic peter with few to no means" doesn't make sense: he has a powerful suit, which is also the legacy of a fundamental person in his life, it would be illogical for the character to suddenly ditch it.
You can like it or not, but that's who the character is, and changing him to be "more traditional" would cheapen what at this point we have to accept as his own personal arc. So hoping for them to change him in that direction, or to finally make him become more traditional, at this point I think it's just misplaced criticism.
If you don't like it, I think the better approach would be to just accept that this can no longer be the spiderman you would like, and just try to analyze him and enjoy him as his own thing. You can always state as a premise that to you, this version doesn't have the things you would like in a spiderman story, but then go on with "having said that, let's analyze what they're doing with this spiderman".
This doesn't by any means mean that this iteration of spiderman is free from criticism. It's his own thing, yes, but we can still debate whether this "thing" is being done well or not. To me, the tone of the previous movies has been too childish. And "he was in highschool, it has to be more childish" is not a valid argument to me. You get plenty of movies about young people that are not childish at all. I'm not saying they have to go with something too serious, they're still Marvel movies meant for everybody. But at least keep them to the standard of the other MCU movies, and not like they're targeted to the same audience as High School Musical. If they're planning on SpiderMan becoming more prominent, I hope they add more depth to the tones of the movies and the way they handle themes and characters.
i read your comment i think ultimately people have a right to criticise this spiderman because he betrays the comics and established canon of spiderman the iron boy criticisms are valid for some fans all the alterations ruin spiderman i would argue that people who dont like mcu spiderman should just not watch and not give disney their money and if they dont like something should voice their opinions we all have a right to that
When you have to defend it this much, I think that means the criticisms are fair. This Spider-Man is too reliant on Stark Tech, plain and simple.
@@tellemstevedave5559 it’s the future. making it so spider-man just runs around in spandex is insane. even if it gives it that “spider-man” feel. it’s just not realistic for the world the mcu is in.
@@tellemstevedave5559 Only a sith deals in absolutes.
@@anthcnyventura that seems like some mental gymnastics mcu definitely isnt a realistic world if hawkeye and black widow can jump around the rooftops fighting an alien army its definitely not a stretch that a local queens kid with powers will go around trying to fight injustice in spandex especially since superheroes are accepted as reality in the mcu and if you count daredevil luke cage etc as canon to the mcu then it adds even more credence
Sorry bud, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. I think the Iron Spider suit looks fantastic. Although I too wish for more examples of Peter "being broke" to be on display, there's also no reason why Peter would ever really use another suit when the Iron Spider is so strong, given by Tony. I would most certainly be questioning why Peter stopped using it if there wasn't a canon explanation. You have to understand the directors of the MCU Spider-Man movies are purposefully trying to avoid all the tropes and pitfalls of the past Sony films, which includes sticking with the original design for so long, as well as always shooting fights in the city. Even though I agree there is little practical reason for Peter to be changing suits so often, there is also no reason why he can't, if he should so want to.
Tasm didn't. Did you forget he had two suits?
Sony stuck to the original suit in their films because that is the Spider-Man suit lol. You can't change what's already established.
It seems like Marvel is so afraid of doing Spider-Man in a way that was similar to the other ones, that they tossed out why Spider-Man always wore the same suit.
Yeah, this video felt kinda desperate to have something to complain about.
@Parvis Not sure you know what objective means
@Parvis sorry i gotta disagree, the iron spider suit looks fantastic even if it should or shouldnt be used
Maaaan you had no faith in this movie. Glad it proved you wrong
Like so wrong! Just a bunch a baseless complaining acting like you’ve seen the movie 🤒😷
I will agree that the jokes were cringe in the No Way Home trailer
But apart from them
I thought it was pretty solid, a snippet of dialogue for Willem Dafoe, Doc Oc says Tom Holland isn't Peter Parker and yes the other Spidermen appearing is the worst kept secret in Hollywood.
William Defoe & Alfred are fantastic actors. I’m glad they have good scripts, because the jokes do not land, it makes the movie have no meaning or character.
@@filmnationstudios389 The again, the cringe jokes came from highschoolers. Everyone was cringe when they were/are a teen
@@filmnationstudios389 Aslo, the movie isn't even out yet
@@filmnationstudios389 just in case you didn't know
@@filmnationstudios389 you ever read a Spider-Man comic? Most of peter parkers jokes are cringe tbh that's kinda the appeal of his character lol
After seeing No Way Home that suit he used for the last swing is literally perfect. He should keep that. No more new suits please, Marvel.
i think he is. I mean everything up to NWH was his origin story basically.
@@justflex6745 Yeah. I really didn't liked Far From Home but man... watching Tom's Spidey start from his most inexperienced phase is something else. NWH does really wrap up his whole origin story perfectly while giving the other two films a whole new perspective to me.
Other then the symbiote it should stay maybe big time could come randomly soon tho just cuz its a nice suit and it could work for a current movie but its too close to miles i feel so maybe after they do miles
The Homemade suit is the best suit IMO. To me it just represents when he was the most “Spider-Man” in the MCU. Just a kid in his Pyjamas trying to save the little guy.
I hope we see it and how it's made in the new show, plus getting the what if va would be amazing
Me too
@@rsdillbot3646 fingers crossed it's the main suit in the show. I don't see why it wouldn't be cause he had even in civil war, but they could do another suit cause toys lol
NO WAY HOME SPOILERS
The end of NWH when Peter makes the classic suit was incredible. Really hyped to see what they do with Tom Holland’s Peter Parker next
It will get butchered.
No way home feels more like Tom Holland's Spiderman's origin... and I love it
This video has aged extremely badly.
Doctor Strange has been the only one to have not changed outfits at all throughout his entire MCU appearance. I’m just a huge fan of consistency and changing suits should be treated as important moments. Now it’s just been done so much it’s taken away from that feeling.
Damn, I think I might be the only person who likes the Iron Spider suit.
same here
It ain't as good as the comic Iron Spider suit IMO but it's still really good
It's good that at the end of no way home Spiderman makes a more comic book accurate suit
Delete this.I saw the movie but don’t spoil that
@@glitch7145 this is just a harmless spoiler tho tbh
I personally like this channel cuz you give good insight but when it comes to this movie you’ve come off like “fanboy who think’s he knows better than the director” also I don’t get how you could hate this trailer it was actually intriguing without revealing the whole movie like Sony tends to do. I also don’t get why when it comes the MCU Spidey people insists he should not deal with big threats, we’ve already Spiderman deal with lower level villains 5 TIMES we’ve seen him struggle and suffer why do want the same thing again Spiderman 2 is an amazing movie that did all that. But the MCU is doing something different and going in different direction for Spideys character arc having him reside in the MCU in an Iron Man centric universe where he’s the best Hero to exist then it makes sense that Spidey would admire him and be influenced by him. You literally said “the amount of suits doesn’t affect how good the movie is” then what are you even on about? I don’t wanna seem like im attacking you or anything and ik it’s your POV but this is just my POV
Agreed, Lately this channels videos have all been needlessly negative. I noticed this a while ago and haven’t watched the channel in a while, when I normally would watch and rewatch every video.
The whole video just felt like needless criticism over minor details 😐
I mean this trailer as a whole shows the entire movie beat by beat in chronological order just without blowing the load of Tobey and Andrew
@@calvinkartono5146 I mean they show the beginning up to the spell then a couple fight scenes which we don’t really have any context to what’s going on then the final battle on the Statue of Liberty we still don’t really know the conflict between Goblin and Tom of any of the other villains for that matter I have a feeling there’s big scenes we haven’t seen a shot of yet
2:37 "Let's test Spiderman, let's ruin his life!"
Well damn, you called that one.
The inside out suit is one of the most shameless cashgrabs I’ve ever seen in film,they better keep the new suit he got at the end of no way home or I’m gonna riot
So I see where you're coming from. I really do, but I really don't like this kinda strange narrative going around that kind of implies that this completely new version of Peter Parker needs to go through similar or in some cases the exact same challenges and ordeals as the previous ones. This Peter Parker is not the Sam Raimi Peter Parker. They have completely different starting points and the context for their entire lives are completely different. Aunt may is no longer an old woman. Peter goes to a stem school. Flash Thompson isn't a white guy or even a jock. MJ is a completely different character. Peters best friend is Ned and not Harry. He's basically Tony Stark's apprentice. This Peter is not like Tobey Maguire Peter. Even more exemplified by the fact that those depictions of past parkers are returning in this movie to stand alongside him. They are their own characters that have their own in universe context for becoming the people they are. I personally don't think it makes any sense for this Peter to struggle the same way those other versions did. Why does this version of Peter have to be a sad broke boy, when we already have the movies where he plays that role, and plays it incredibly well at that? Not liking how the suits look is fine cause I personally agree with you on your aesthetic opinions of some of the suits, but it makes perfect sense this Peter would still find use for the suit of his dead mentor and pseudo-father figure, but that's just my take. What do I know? Lol
Agreed completely. I always see these complaints for mcu spidey but I just. I don't get it. Well I do but. If ya want stuff like that you've already got movies to watch, as for the costume stuff...I think that's just a weird nitpick, yeah if you're extremely cynical you'll just see it as a cash grab.
I completely agree, the only suit that hasn't had a fully logical reason for being is the Night Monkey suit, and even that made sense in the films context.
Sure, the Iron Spider suit isn't the nicest to look at, but if he had just randomly stopped using it after Endgame, we would have more questions and complaints about continuity.
All they're complaining about is cohesive continuity between films and it's characters.
TRUEE
@@Phobia38 well the night monkey suit was Nick Fury trying to take away Peter’s excuse for not wanting to help because “my friends would figure out I’m Spider-Man” based on costume in Europe. So each suit really does have narrative reason
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Exactly!
The only reason I pointed that one out is because he has his Stark suit with him, and even though he didn't want people to see Spider-Man on the same trip, at the end he creates a new suit anyways, which basically rendered the Night Monkey suit unnecessary in the long run since everyone still saw Spidey in the final fight.
My personal favorite suit is from Homecoming. I love that the eyes move and it’s not just red and blue spandex again. It’s Stark tech and has different web combos and functions, plus has Karen the AI. It’s just refreshing to see something new with Spider-Man.
I like that it is essentially high tech spandex
I don't
@@moonwhooper Cookie?
@@Super_Broly i agree with moonehopper guy. the high tech suits just makes the writing lazy. these comic book movies are about hero’s. it’s about what they have to overcome or endure to beat the odds, and all this integrated tech that can save you just seems cheap
@robbyrob it’s a good point that it takes away from the heroics of the character if it’s the tech that saves them and not their own strength of character or the thing that makes them a hero, but I think homecoming did a good job of showing who Peter was without the tech because they stripped him of the Stark suit and had that moment when Peter had to get up when all the rumble came crashing down on him. The tech becomes just a tool in his wheelhouse, not the core of his heroics. Plus, he showed that he was capable of defeating The Vulture on his own without the Stark tech suit.
I can’t hate, my fav suit was in the amazing Spider-Man 2 and you know how people feel about those movies.. 😂
I’ve always loved them regardless. Because TASM2 is hated for a different and imo less justified reason than the MCU spidey. People just never got how it’s a compelling human drama. Was directed by the person who made 500 days of Summer after all.
All the respect to you and what you do. I found this channel and loved your in depth character reviews and understanding of movies and how it works.
But lately it's become just alot of ranting about why you think movies are bad. I've tried to stick around but all the videos are seemly the same new type of video. Not saying reviewing bad movies is wrong. Just the way its coming across has been really draining and less enjoyable to watch! Wish you the best!
I kind of agree cuz this guy seems cool and all but saying this movie is “nostalgia baiting” is kinda harsh because they’re actually trying something interesting with these characters and bringing them back in substantial roles not just quick cameos
He is seeming more whiny lately.
Yeah, on the Uncharted video he actually comments about that, how this year's videos have been mostly rants and that he doesn't particularly like making them but kinda is all he has for the moment; Although I agree with you I'd give him a chance, it's been a pretty rough year, after all.
Agreed. All the videos are just negative. A lot of it comes across as "I know what is better" for a Spiderman movie where he just tears apart everything as a mistake and tells us how he would do it better.
Same. Like, man, are movies not meant to be fun? I agree with what he is saying, but even I know comics have always redesigned costumes. And the Spiderman suits are one of the funnest things about it, all the way from Enter Electro. Full Fat is turning into a miserable bastard.
I think iron man’s many suits makes sense for his character in the MCU. Characters always say “Tony’s always working,” and we see it a lot, so it would make sense that a rich guy that is always building things would create a hobby out of making new and improved suits
Holy shit the ending of this video ages very weridly well and poorly?
Making fun of his villains names is one of the most spiderman things ever
I don't understand the criticism that Spider-Man wears the Iron Spider suit too much because even in the comics it became his regular outfit for a while until he had a fight with Tony
In the MCU Tony died and was his mentor so of course he would keep it to remember him
and you thinking its ugly well just your opinion lol I think it looks great
Saying ‘it’s in the comics’ means so little. The comic universe has expanded so much that literally anything goes. There’s so much different iterations and universes. The most unreliable inconsistent source material ever. Spiderman is defined by himself and his code. Not by Iron-Man. Only reason it would be is to sell figures.
Hmm ye no I think I agree with him, it looks quite ugly
@@aliupsr The video uses the "its in the comics" justifying why he think spider-man shouldn't have the iron spider suit
Well, now we know why and how they all fit in the overall story they were trying to tell.
I mean yeah if you don't like them that's your opinion but to me all of them are pretty cool. I mean even PS4 Spider-Man inspiration from the MCU suit
The MCU Spider-Man suits are heavily inspired by Romita artwork- so they're perfect to me.
Honestly, the PS4 suit is the best rendition of the red and blue. The lighter color scheme, the white accents, and the moving eyes from the MCU suits is probably my favorite combination of features. It's visually distinct, helps to stand out against to the noisy environment of the game, but still looks like Spider-Man.
Spoilers for NWH
Tom's final suit is the best Spiderman suit to be put on film, and all the nanotech is gone. This video is now obselete.
Interesting because having seen it it feels more appropriate. How many suits in this one? The inside out look was so contrived. And what was the point of that gold spider really, other than a slightly newer action figure?
@@FullFatVideos "The inside out look was so contrived."
Most likely a result of the film cutting a lot of the school scenes. I'm sure the initial script had more of a focus on the secret identity and that impact, before the multiversal shenanigans were worked more in. The paint scene was trimmed to a bare minimum and comes out of nowhere. With those original scenes intact, the inverted suit would actually mean more. A visual reminder of the disdain and malice half the populace has for peter, a violation which distorts spidermans image in peoples eyes.
Yeah, it definitely was also motivated by toy sales, but the inverted suit is still very well designed, so it's not as if it ruins anything.
The same cannot be said for the integrated suit. I can most certainly agree that that's the most dissapointing aspect of the final team up, that tobey and andrew have their iconic suits and toms stuck in an inferior design. If he had designed the classic suit before that fight, it would've significantly improved how the final fight looked.
Look, I'm not gonna defend the hyper-comercialisation of blockbuster films. But it's a feature that comes with the genre. Sometimes it can be a positive effect, letting artists try out new designs that would've been otherwise overlooked in favour of what's proven to work. Sometimes it's negative, making the art being produced secondary to the products that can be generated from it. I'd prefer that multibillion dollar companies cared more about artistic integrity than making billions of dollars they don't need, but until such time I'll just hope that the artists on the project can keep coming up with good designs.
Because, even in spite of feeling that it's unnecessary to have so many suits, if every single suit looks good I don't view that as an issue. And if every single suit doesn't look good, I think that's a failure of the artists and creators working on the project, not the mass-consumerist culture which asked for the designs. It is still more profitable for these companies to sell designs which look cool, than to sell designs which aren't. So while I do agree that the Iron Spider's design is more cluttered and less iconic than the comic version, and that the Integrated suit is 100% unnecessary, I don't think that is the fault of companies just asking for toys, nor does it take away from the other designs that work well. The inverted suit, spider monkey, and stark/ upgrade suit still look very good. They make good action figures, and they also work in the context of their plots. I think far from home did a very good job at contextualising the suits. Pete needs a new suit to hide his identity in europe, or take out the drones using pete's engineering skills. This film didn't do as well with the new suits, but that final suit is still the best spiderman suit on film period, and that makes up for any shortcomings in my mind.
Totally agree about the suits, keep it as the standard or upgraded suit
On the note you make about not caring about if Spider-Man wants to make sure the villains don't die - I think this works really well, particularly because the issue arose directly as a result of him being outted as the one who killed Mysterio (even if it wasn't intended) so it's nice to see the narrative is going to carry through about wanting to not kill or send people to their deaths
Also it goes right back to in Homecoming where he says plain as day that he doesn't want to kill anyone
Not to be THAT GUY, but this seems to be a MCU Spider-man hate fest. I know he’s made some great videos on MCU Spider-Man before but I’m just not feeling this one. Maybe I’m biased I don’t know. I also want to take a second to point out that most of his external complaints regarding the trailer and the film itself…are literally answered by the trailer. And of course the trailer doesn’t dive into the characters and how they’re impacted, that’s the films job. I’m a fan of Full Fat but…eh, don’t really like the vibe lol
Hopefully he finds the film to be good, I’m sure it is.
@@nathanhills336 It’s not a MCU hate fest. We have a reason why MCU Spider-Man sucks
@@filmnationstudios389 yeah, there are some reasons but just as many that are bad
@@filmnationstudios389 “We” lol.
He doesn’t suck, people just can’t wrap their head around different versions of a character.
When Spiderman had that dope fight on the bridge with Doc Oc all I could think was, "and people have been complaining about this suit"
i totally thought the iron spiders four legs vs doc octs arms was really cool and made for a good dynamic. guess i fell for the corporate interests, whatever
Knowing what I know, after watching the ending of No Way Home, I now understand why these suits are important in Peter's growth as a character.
I'm sorry but making the argument that "the characters have too many different suits, especially Spider-man". Spider-man literally has the most suits of any other super hero. I remember scrolling through the 25 suits in almost every game he has. Peter having a new suit constantly actually fits with the character very well.
One of Spider-man's things is that he will always outsmart his opponent and he will create a suit to save himself from whatever he is fighting at the time. Everytime Spider-man fights electro, he will insulate his suit, Iron Spider was to help him face off against the other Avengers, He gets a special suit to travel to the Negative Zone, hell there's Scarlet Spider, Amazing, Ultimate, Superior spider, The black suit, Captain universe.
The argument "He has too many suits and only needs his Red and Blue" doesn't work when you're talking about a character that constantly is making new suits to help him in whatever situation he's in
I hope they don’t cover Dafoe, Molina and the other returning guys in CG.
Kind of wish we could see Dafoe’s face more
The original GG design is like a mascot
@@RonquixoteDIII I’m having a hard time finding any resemblance between benny the bull; and the metallic suit that is the OG Green Goblin suit. It’s basically a cooler less CG Iron-Man suit.
I mean, they were already full cg in a lot of the original movies, the cg just looks much better now than it did then. But yes I know what you mean, I like that their suits are believably practical in some of the slower scenes where we get to actually look at them properly.
They will
Ur opinion will definitely change at the end of no way home
Why I like the MCU Spider man Suits:
1. The eyes show emotions and expressions like the comics
2. The patterns and details look really good
3. The FFH suit is the OG red and black from Amazing Fantasy and I love it (personally my favorite suit besides the SM2 suit and the TASM suit)
Why I don’t like the suits:
1. From movie to movie the stark suit is so damn in consistent and it annoys me. Why does it in civil war, homecoming, and infinity war had different colors of red but we go to FFH it’s back to homecoming. It’s something little but it’s annoyed me
2. The suits were always just handed down to Peter, besides the homemade suit and some what if the FFH he never made his own suit. They were just given to him.
3. There are so damn many suits and they are once again returning the Iron Spider suit. Can’t we just keep the FFH suit as the standard suit for the MCU?
They need to sell more toys
I agree on many parts of your argument but it feels like nostalgia is clouding your opinion. Do I believe that the new spider suits are definitely just for selling toys yes but that doesn't mean that they are irrelevant in the story, and if we are trading things with the comic version of spider he has loads of suits. In the latest runs of Spiderman his suit changes for the situation like iron man but I like that the MCU is separating the two heroes by no only their design but their use. Tony used his suits as weapons always trying to plan for the next threat ahead while Peter the less experienced hero just makes suits that will fit the function he needs them to at that specific time. Spiderman is also a comic book hero and getting children and subsequently there parents to buy movie tickets they need something to dazzle the audience at least at first view. Along with all of those ideas I do agree one trailer was more than enough the MCU is putting too much out and they realize that the plot lines are too complicated for one trailer so I'm assuming they are doubling down to make the movies more exciting to see from the trailers.
Agreed. We’ve had multiple Spider Armours in the comics to make him bulletproof, we’ve had the ends of the earth armour for when things started to become a hit of a war zone, we’ve had the Symbiote design on a regular cloth suit, the overall structure regarding the symbols and the webbing have changed many times over the years.
And with the trailer, while I do wish I never saw it because I feel it gave away a lot of the story, it’s not the first time Marvel has hidden stuff, given scenes that are never in the movie, or stitched together 2 different scenes to make it look like certain characters are having a conversation.
And with the argument of the AMS 2 suit being designed to combat Electro, it was already rubberized before Electro even showed up. In the comics, Peter did make an insulated suit specifically to go up against Electro
I feel like Marvel has done a pretty good job incorporating the suits into the story in a logical way. And on a side note, the reason Peter dressed up as Spider-man in the final battle of FFH was because he had already left the field trip with the cover of him going visit family before the class was redirected to London. Also, it wasn’t like he was swinging around the streets with everyone seeing him. It wasn’t until the video framing Peter was released that people discovered Spider-man was even there
I disagree a little bit. I think the costumes should have to do more with the story and the evolution of the character. But I like the new integrated suit and the action figures.
this didnt age too well
How? You’re saying that about the title of the video rather than the video content itself.
@@FullFatVideos I think the so-called "new suit designs" were actually integrated fairly organically into the plot. They were really just variations of the two suits Peter had in the movie (the FFH black and red and the iron spider one) with the "electric suit" being the FFH one turned inside out because it was covered in paint and the final design being the FFH suit with nanotech integrated into it.
What I mean is that as these "designs" were introduced in the actual movie I never felt like they were out of place, although before seeing the movie I did share your worries that they could have been.
Anyway, I think No Way Home was a "home run".
I have a feeling that won't be a problem anymore *cough cough*
I just want a return to the more simple blue-red ones. Peter running around like Iron Man in these new trailers with like 5 suits a movie is a bit much
Well after Spider-Man no way home its safe to say that Peter went back to his roots, red and blue suit (handmade), back to being just the friendly neighborhood and i couldn't be happier!
Great video, although your point about the doc ock joke was a bit strange (no pun intended) because Spider-Man always makes fun of his villains. It's a core trait of the character.
Spider-Man makes funny quips. Disney has terrible writers that don’t utilize their marvel comic book writers. It’s childish.
Yeah this video is a big miss in my opinion. I normally agree with most of your views but i find myself disagreeing with almost everything you say in this one, which sucks but oh well, look forward to the next one which is hopefully the usually hit and not a miss like this.
One thing that I always feels disconnects mcu spiderman to me is the fact that he has like 5 different multi billion dollar suits. It's cool yes, but it doesn't have that down to earth feel spiderman has. The iron spider was very cool in Infinity war, and the Civil War suit is fine, but the other like 4 suits just don't make him feel like spiderman
It wouldn't work honestly, making him poor and struggling wouldn't work in the MCU because he teamed up with Tony Stark who genuinely cares about him. What we've got works pretty great for the version of Spider-Man they've created, one that seamlessly integrates into their overall narrative.
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So he is a good MCU character
But a Bad Spider-Man
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi no I think he's a great take on Spider-Man. Not every version needs to be the same and this one works.
@@dustinakadustin people complain he’s so different but if he was a perfect comic copy they would complain its too similar fans will honestly complain no matter what
@@dustinakadustin spiderman is supposed to be the friendly neighbourhood spiderman. Key words being friendly neighbourhood but instead in his first few films, he teams up with the avengers, fights thanos and his army, goes to space and is now dealing with the multiverse and there has been like 1 time where he is actually in his neighbourhood (homecoming) but there was still a lot of iron man.
I just don't know how you can make him the traditional spiderman, he is basically a millionaire funded by tony stark, everyone including aunt may knows his identity, he is rarely doing local neighbourhood stuff. I understand every version is different but its almost impossible to make him the traditional spidey where has no money, is struggling with life due to no money and being spiderman, helping the neighbourhood out, noone knowing his identity. The core foundations are a mess for it, I feel like no way home will probably try to retcon everything but thats still messy storytelling if it does.
Sometimes I just feel like they should have used miles instead and introduced the traditional peter after, however its clear the only reason spiderman is like this is due to the money. They'll make more money with crossovers than they will with solo personal spidey stories.
I don't wanna sound like I'm attacking your opinions but am I the only one who started to feel like your videos started to sound so negative and ... I hate that I will say this... nostaligia blind... Most of the time you attack Uncharted movie now. You say how you are scared about NWH even though movie proves you otherwise in this trailer but you focus on a classic Doc Ock joke that is been used a lot already. So what now hearing it again makes it bad? Spider-man always made fun of his villians names. And well it sounds like you just want to hate stuff now.
Again I don't wanna attack your opinion but I just felt like your video's now take on a different direction than what you usually did before. When you made a video about something you like you never went to attack anything else and just talk about the thing you like but now I feel like you talk about something just to say "oh look this is better than this". I mean when you start your guardians video with saying not having a positive video there is a problem.
I mean no way home's first trailer dropped and you talk about your concern against Doc Ock. Yeah fair
But this trailer does show you that "Yes Doc Ock isn't gonna be a direct villian. He has talks with mcu Peter that feels like they are working together. In one shot it seems like Electro attacking Doc and look you could talk about this or you could talk how story starts to shape up much more clearly and takes a weird direction(with seeing Mcu Pete does seem to try to help Doc Ock or even other villians to bring them to their universe). But no you talk about how trailer is bad because 2 bad jokes(tbh only scooby doo joke is bad)(Also about Spidey suits I feel like you have weird points like saying "Who would care if he throw the Iron Spider after endgame")
And then you had a video about what Matrix 4 and No way home is missing and well video is great but without even actually watching this movies talking about this just. I don't know it just feels like a pointless topic for now. And you could of just talk about how great their action is without comparing them to a trailer.
And then you make a great video about Sam Raimi action but for some reason you made into a semi comparison video about the Spider-men?
I didn't watch James bond so I can't say anything.
Then You made a video about Uncharted movie and you are still talking about the same thing over and over again.
What if is again a good video just very jarring after all this negativity in your channel.
I just felt like you have been making a lot of negative videos recently and well it's very jarring to watch. It's not even that I'm thinking you are right or wrong about this opinions just your videos feel like more negative as the time goes on that even ones you meant to praise feels like you are making it just to mock an another thing.
I'm sorry if I actually sound like attacking you. I just really like your videos but recently I started to feel this about your new videos and I wanted to share it.
Alot of people have been saying he's been getting more negative lately and I agree. I loved watching this guy's Doctor who videos now they just suck the life out of me.
@@tinymo1695 Yeah... I thought it was just me but then I saw the comments.
I feel like he lost his touch or something. I used to agree with a lot of what his old videos, but now it is like he doesn't understand basic things anymore and is just complaining about the dumbest things (like 2 jokes im this trailer). The MCU Spiderman movies have been good and I don't get the Iron Man Jr complaint. Yes he is a lot more connected to Iron Man, but he is still Spiderman and a new take on the character. The movies are still good and keep many core elements of Spiderman. He completely failed to understand the Dr. Strange What If...? episode as well. It is honestly disappointing seeing him go down such a negative route.
I kind of agree with you, but now the Black and Gold suit has been revealed to be the Black and Red suit turned inside out as it was stained green and looked bad. And his Nano-Tech suit is worn in the bridge scene BECAUSE his suit was stained and after the Nano-Tech suit had a chunk missing from the full design and therefore I believe the suits in No-Way-Home are justified because they each have a reason to be worn, but that’s just my opinion.
My problem with the MCU Spider-Suits is that they’re almost always just too busy.. there’s so much going on with their design and functionality. Almost like behind the scenes they couldn’t agree on which concept suits to use, so they used something from all of them.
The Homemade Suit from Homecoming/Civil War was purposefully mostly simplistic, and was a great prototype suit design. However, they unfortunately start getting overly busier further into the MCU.
The Civil War/Homecoming suit was fairly simple for the most part, despite being loaded with interior high tech, and being made by Tony Stark.
The Iron Spider suit was nano-tech, it was covered in random pointless little blue lights, the spider on the chest was over-designed and connected to the black/blue on the back while the red spider on the back was connected to the mask/chest/shoulders, and had 4 colors overall. Plus I’m still not personally keen with how they practically made it the main go-to Spider-Suit in the MCU as he’s worn it in every appearance post Homecoming.
Then there’s the Upgraded suit from FFH which design-wise was a right step… but it’s still loaded with dozens of gadgets, and was once again 100% created by Stark Tech.
Now we have the Black & Gold suit (which is the Upgraded suit turned inside out so the busy tech design underneath is visible…), and the Integrated Suit from NWH (which should have been the Iron Spider suit).
I just wish they would have kept things simple. I wish they would have had Tom’s Peter make his own suits so they feel a lot more personal to him. I’m kinda getting tired of the double fantasy high-tech Iron Man knock off Spider-Suits chalk full of busy designs, gadgets, and 3 or more alternating colors. But that’s just my personal takeaway, I’m not saying anyone else’s opinions are invalid.
The black and gold suit is just the upgraded suit flipped inside out, he does it because the upgraded suit gets ruined on the outside. As for the integrated suit, I believe it’s to use more of Strange’s magic, and the iron spider is probably just to fight Doc Ock given that he two has four mechanical arms. So yeah, I think it makes sense but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Edit: (No Way Home spoilers) I was kinda right. The black and gold suit was used for the reason I gave but was way off for the others, Peter uses the Iron Spider on the bridge because he has no other suits to wear, and the Integrated Suit is just the Upgraded Suit with some nano tech on it. By the end of the movie he really only gets one new suit and which is the one he sews in his apartment
Can't wait for the people who is asking for the black suit complaining about the black suit, because spider-man didn't create the alien himself. 😂😂 You guys are so indecisive
Then they’re gonna call him Venom boy Jr 😂😂😂cuz Venom gave it to him
@@keving5004 "look at little Venom Jr. Gonna Cry ?" Yeah pretty sure some are gonna make that joke once Tom Holland gets the symbiote suit, and expect Tom to be called Fantastic Boy Jr. when he teams up with the Fantastic Four and wears the Bombastic Bag Man or Future Foundation suit 😂😂
@@justaway4271 it’s a never ending cycle man 😂😂
1:38 I agree with a lot of your stuff but this I disagree with.
You realize this movie isn't just targeted at the people's who watched the old Spiderman movies right?
The whole fantastic part of the MCU is that it's something great for the new generation of kids that love super heroes and has deep and involved characters for the adults.
It was poked at all those years ago and no one complained and now they are poking at it again.
That's not a problem my man
If you are going to show spidey to the newer generations
Why not doing it properly?
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi what about that Joke isn't proper?
It's a joke and kids will laugh at it just like kids laughed at practically a similar joke 15+ years ago.
Myself included.
Taking full advantage of the change with the Dislike Button huh?
I've actually not had a dislike yet, to my astonishment. They will come though...
SPOILERS
MCU Spider-Man is pretty much completely fixed in my eyes by the end of No Way Home, and that includes his suit. He gets the moving eyes of the earlier MCU suits, but the classic colours are back and most importantly he makes it himself, no connections to Stark. I am so damn excited for Tom’s next trilogy.
These "media critics" really think their opinions really be that huh? 🃏🃏🃏
I, personally, love all of the different suits Spider-Man gets. I mean, that's half the fun in any Spider-Man game is unlocking and playing in any suit that isn't the standard red and blue...
Yeah this just means more suits for Spider-Man 2😍😍😍
Well this didn’t age well
I really agree with you, I feel like he had to stick to the red and blue's however, I do feel like Peter is going back to his roots of scrapping outfits together, like you said the black and gold is his suit inside out, people speculate its because someone threw paint on his black and red one. And the intergrated suit is his red and black one witg the last bits of nano tech attached which he will hopefully lose in the finale battle, and I hope the black and red is there to stay for awhile, because I also don't like him having so many different suits
Well I’d say Amazing Spider-Man 2 not adjusting to look of Peter’s suit in order for him being able to fight Electro without being fried is actually not a good thing, because in the comics Spidey wears completely different suits with distinct designs that are resistant to electricity in order to fight Electro.
It does make sense that Peter doesn't throw away his one-off suits like he usually does in the comics but-
Why wear the Iron Spider to fight normal crime?
And while I do go back and forth between the Stark and Upgraded suit. I think the tweaks to it won me over but-
What makes it better than the normal Upgraded suit?
Why did you even ask "Why does he still use he iron Spider suit? " and "What makes it better than the upgraded suit? ", it is better
- Very portable (Nanotech, can be used fkr emergency situations)
- The Iron Spider arms are also useful in taking down multiple opponents in quick succession
- More technologically advanced and feature-heavy
The reason he still uses the Upgraded suit is probably because
- It's way lighter
- It's more flexible
- It's more comfortable
- It's not Nanotech so it can't be absorbed by Doc Ock's tentacles
@@lartts7483 No the question was about the Integrated suit, Not Iron Spider. And also why use the Iron Spider for normal crime. (Besides FFH taking place right after Endgame and Peter's Spider-Sence wasn't up to par yet)
@@taidainthejar7573 Because it's powerful. He also used it in his fight against Doc Ock in the trailer cause he was going somewhere important (judging by his formal suit), he can't really bring his upgraded suit without people noticing, so he uses the Iron Spider in case of an emergency because nanotech. The Iron Spider is portable and has a fast suit up, the Upgraded suit has a way slower suit up and it isn't as portable as the Iron Spider. Doc isn't gonna wait for Spider-Man to suit up
I can’t say I agree with the reasoning behind most of these, especially the iron spider, but I do agree he doesn’t need all these extra suits. Though I would rather him just stick to the red and blue suit cause I think the red and black suit sucks, even the integrated suit looks more interesting than it with the splash of gold imo
On the iron spider suit:
If a super genius made you a powerful custom suit that’s better than what you can make with your resources, wouldn’t you keep it?
Aside from the screen rant articles, that is a logical reason for the suit to stick around.
But it's not the comics and people would question where the Iron Spider suit went. This universe is supposed to be more grounded in reality then the comics so I think it's pretty realistic that the heroes are constantly changing and upgrading their gear.
Also it does happen to almost every Hero in the comics as well, even Spidey, it's just more subtle and over a longer time cause they have the luxury of telling a lot more stories whereas the movies have to condense a lot of it
I always heard MCU suits are a requirement from Sony in order to sell more toys with each new suit, although it’s clear Marvel have a habit of changing suits constantly. But what I don’t get is the criticism of a movie that hasn’t come out yet, based on what “could” go wrong. Let’s criticize it after it airs and then I can decide if I agree or not about the quality of the movie.
Since Marvel owns the merchandising for Spider-Man, I can’t imagine that this would be a directive from Sony.
It would need to be a directive from Disney, not Sony. Disney is the one that earns money from the toys and merchandise
I think the different suits show Peter's ingenuity. He has different tools for different situations. We already got two Spider-Man actors with consistent suits I think it's pretty cool that this is a different take.
This guy sounds like such a safeguarding boomer smh
"My nostalgia! mine! dont use it against me!!" pretty much what i heard.
My Dad, who stopped caring about these movies after the first Avengers movie was asking me about NWH. NWH has people way outside the MCU interest group curious...
what’s your point , you can still criticize things wrong with it
@@mattjohnson1925 ??? what's YOUR point??
@@ZachCG that the mcu and nwh can be criticized and should be based on its flaws
@@mattjohnson1925 it's like you didn't even read his comment before replying
@@ZachCG well idrk what he’s trying to say , it sounds like he’s defending potential criticism of nwh because of how many people will see it
Don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with someone more. Literally every point.
In my opinion the Far From Home suit with the black being replaced by a dark blue with a red Spider on the back would be the perfect live action Spider-Man suit.
Or alternatively, the Far From home suit with a red Spider on the back instead of white.
The technology works. Spider-Man PS4 is the perfect blend of physical powers and abilities and technology. Something like that would be perfect.
To me, it goes to show one of the facets of Peter's personality that the MCU ignores: the fact that he's independent to a fault. One of the things that made Spider-Man unique was that he was a teenage superhero that wasn't just a sidekick. He had to figure it all out for himself. Everything from his morals and responsibilities, to building his own tech and making his own costumes. He was self-made, and all this made him a bit of a loner who didn't play well with others. In the old days, he was very reluctant to team-up or accept help from anybody. The first time he meets the Avengers after they asked him to join, he gets offended at the idea that he has to pass a test to prove himself after everything he's already done, which leads him to talking mad shit to the Avengers and getting into a brawl with half the team. Needless to say, he ended up not joining.
I actually really liked the "if you're nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it" angle from Homecoming, and I was hoping Peter's arc in that movie would end with him refusing the fancy high-tech stuff and going back to the classic spandex suit and homemade web-shooters we all know, establishing him as his own entity, having proven to himself and others that he isn't just Iron-Boy. I was kinda disappointed when he ended up continuing to use the Stark-Tech anyway. Spider-Man having an advanced AI robot suit as his default, everyday costume just feels off to me. MCU Peter's personality in general is just very different from the character I've come to know since I was a kid.
Bruh lol I be confused on your takes sometimes but I'm glad you express them tho
He tried being the smartest guy in the room and came off looking like a fool
@@thebigo3752 who is this towards?
@@xXSonTJXx ??? u dumb?
@@Super_Broly lol no against the video in the video he just made it seem like he knew a better direction for the movie when this is what everyone wants
@@Super_Broly why are you so rude? Lol it was just a question
I totally think it makes sense to use the iron spider suit... It is by far the strongest so y wouldn't he? Be like playing an rpg and choosing not to wear the lvl 99 armour in favour of lvl 1
Spiderman isn’t about gearing up tho. His abilities are not defined by his suit. That’s iron-man’s thing. A person defined mostly by his tech. At this point it’s just needless fashion. Which can be jarring knowing that it’s the product of some corporate A.I forcing the Iron-Man IP with Spiderman to force sales.
@@aliupsr spiderman has had loads of suits in the comics mate, I can see ur point and yeah it probally is to sell toys but I don't buy em.
@@sirkarl1 but there's a reason the one he wears the most is his classic red and blue
@@kingkong9892 there's a reason I wear my lucky red pants but I still wear others
Because they cover all the tactile detail in CG so they look fake af all the time? Looking forward to actually watching this to see what you say.
Well wait till you watch no way home holy fuck best mcu movie
Its insanely good
Yeah i was kinda afraid they were gonna put too much stuff in one movie but i was wrong. I absolutely loved it