Stopping Power of .30 Carbine
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2023
- This week we take a look at the stopping power of the .30 Carbine cartridge. We fire from 10 feet, 50 yards and 100 yards.
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AMMUNITION USED
Wolf .30 Carbine 110gr FMJ
Winchester .30 Carbine 110gr HSP
FIREARMS USED
Universal Firearms .30 Carbine M1 Carbine 
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My dad was in the Phillipines in WW2. He had nothing but praise for the Carbine.
There were thousands of M-1 and M-2 CARBINES Left in the Philippines by the American liberation Forced after WW-2 in the Philippines.
Many are still in the hands of Small Town folks where most of the battles took place.
Never underestimate a light, short, and handy rifle.
I decided to take my M1 Carbine to the range after a year in the safe.
It went bang every time.
I shot a cardboard box because 30 carbine will easily swiss cheese my steel spinner targets.
I was struck by how easy it was to just grab the M1 carbine with 2 magazines already loaded and in the pouch on the stock.
It is truly a grab and go rifle.
No snaggy parts sticking out.
No clanky rattles.
I love all my rifles but the M1 Carbine always surprises me with it's simplicity.
My uncle used the M2 version in Korea. He said that those stories saying it could not penetrate the quilted uniforms of Chinese 'volunteers' were simply not true.
Something people do not take in account, GIs were engaging those soldiers at maximum effective range, and even beyond. So the weapon was performing beyond is intent and getting the job done.
My dad carried one as well special services prisoner Runner. along with the 1911
There is a lot of suspicion that what was actually happening was they hit the baggy quilted uniform and not the soldier, it passed right through the dead space in the uniform so they thought they hit their target but in reality missed.
@@hanktorrance6855 It was as explained, the ammo was made for humid South Pacific environment and failed in the cold, and GIS were shooting men beyond the maximum effective range. Some surely passed through but you wouldn't know if you missed or not.
depends upon the range. Beyond 200m, it wont.
So many people compare the M1 carbine to the M1 Garand, which leads to the idea that .30 carbine is an under powered cartridge.
However, this weapon was designed to give rear echelon troops (supply, administration, hospitals, transport, etc) a harder hitting weapon than the 1911 Colt .45 acp, along with some longer distance capability. There is no doubt that the M1 Carbine was superior to a handgun.
It was never designed to be a replacement for a front line battle rifle like the M1 Garand. These are lightweight, handy, accurate and more than sufficient for the purpose they were intended.
Very good video, and the ballistic gel doesn't lie. The cartridge would definitely ruin an enemy soldier's day. Thanks for dispelling some of the myths.
M1 carbines were issued to front line troops as well. Squad leaders, officers, mortar men, engineers etc
Harder hitting - or easier to use? (Have owned, and have fired both).
at least you got the memo
The chronograph tells the story it has about 1900 fps and the 357 mag is about 1200 velocity is what does the damage people swear by 357 but talk down a gun with 700 fps more velocity that doesn’t make sense to me like you I say this is a great video
Late to the party, but I live in a wild area just above the border in Arizona (retired here from Alaska ten years ago). It's a drug trafficking corridor. I ride horses out into wild country along the Peloncillos on the AZ/NM border and I wanted a long gun that gave me more range than a handgun, but none of my rifles were light enough or handy enough to be good choices. I see these guys occasionally on my property and out in the desert. The border patrol takes hours to respond and they won't leave their vehicles to actually search and confront these guys. You're on your own here. I bought one of the Inland repros and once dialed in it gives me easy 200 yard range. It's perfect! The scabbard I bought mounts easily on a horse (no way you're going to easily mount an AR on a horse) and on foot it's so light it's effortless to carry. My only criteria was a long gun that gave me stand off range beyond the handguns these guys are likely to carry, and was handy enough not to be an impediment. I've never had to use it (they usually run when seeing a gringo), but it gives me confidence that I have both the range and the power to have a decisive advantage against anyone that wants to confront me.
The Mini's by Ruger are upgrade versions of the M-14, and the 30 Carabine. Amo for the 223 readily available. Had a M1 30 Car and loved it. 👍
Stay safe out there in the borderlands.
@@WillyK51 What do you mean lol Mini-14 is not an "upgraded version" its effectively a smaller M14 in 5.56 which is substantially less powerful but also has less recoil and is lighter
@@redtra236 I know, Personally I'm a big bore fan, Prefer the Mini 30, and would love Ruger to make a Mini 350 But a M14-M1 Carabine is a Dinosaur today. Not Fond of the popular AR platform. It's exelent, but I'm a Dinosaur myself. When I can, will get my old 1917 US Enfield rebarreled to 35 Whelen, and will build a Controlled feed Mag 3.8" action in a 7MM for my Grandson. Probably old 7RM. Or if hotroding it 28 Nosler. The kid is 10 so he will love 3.3K fps over a slow 3K Cartridge.
@@WillyK51 M1 Carbines aren't outdated at all as a civilian firearm especially. Super light and comparable in power to a .32-20 HV round. Great for small game up to deer at close-moderate range. And also tends to be legal in areas with fairly restrictive gun laws. The Mini-14 is nice but is heavier, louder, and debatably has less stopping power at closer ranges. The bullet is 1000 FPS faster but also half the weight and a much smaller diameter. And you can also legally hunt in a lot of states with an M1 carbine while you can't with a Mini-14(whether it be due to straight wall only cartridges being allowed or a caliber minimum).
The M1 carbine is a superb rifle, and the 30 caliber ammunition made for it will
do the job well! Have confidence in both!!
that's just your ignorance talking. The 223 is a far better rd. The 30C was ok for its time, but that time ended 60 years ago. wake up and smell the coffee.
I will say nothing against the .223 round! I will even admit that it shoots straighter, and in spite of its small size it packs a serious wallop!
When the .357 Magnum made its appearance, every gun editor tried to outdo his colleagues with stories about how powerful the round was, whether you could DRT bears with it, how well suited it was for hunting whitetail, etc. Comments about the M1 carbine, on the other hand, always seemed to be derogatory - my uncle, a Marine, referred to my dad's carbine as a "peashooter" - and the apocryphal stories about it not penetrating Chinese soldiers' wool clothing in Korea were legion. Of course, my uncle fought in the battle of Okinawa, where carbines accounted for the majority of Japanese casualties from small arms fire; it "won" Okinawa - so he knew better.
So we have the "powerhouse" .357 and the "pipsqueak" .30 carbine - I suggest because the .357 was being compared to a .38 Special, whereas the .30 carbine was being compared to the .30-06. The carbine wouldn't be compared to the .357, because it was a 1940's WWII military rifle round - even though the .357 made its appearance in 1935 - because it was a civilian revolver round. But by the 1950's in Korea, someone should have noticed the fact that the M1 carbine round had as much power at 175-200 yards as the .357 had at the muzzle; that certainly would have confounded things. And I doubt anyone would have tried to sell the story that a .357 couldn't punch through a Chinese wool vest - wet and frozen solid notwithstanding - at point blank range.
Lol the Chinese wool story is just fudd lore, it’s likely because either they were trying to engage way outside of it’s effective range and bullets fell short or that they had the full auto version and just burped their mag over his head
Or maybe frozen compromised ammunition? I don’t believe that story anyway, total B S!….just saying 🙂👍❤️🇺🇸
from a handgun.. and I have a Ruger BH 7.5" in 30 carbine.... the energy levels of the 110 grain slug is right about the same as a .357 mag.... from a Carbine... the 30 carbine round is almost exactly the energy of a .357 carbine (20" barrels)... as you say... no one claims a .357 is weak. I have both .357 mag carbines and revolvers and 30 carbine ones. The big difference to me is the 30 carbine shoots a LOT flatter and maybe... depending on bullet shape... does not create quite the wound channel a .357 mag does but it is minimal difference if any... Today we hear about how powerful the 32 mags are which are of course much weaker than a 30 carbine.... I do not shoot my Ruger Bh much because it is LOUD as in LOUD.
you're fos. The 30c is down to 1200 fps at 200 yds, which is 330 ft lbs. The 357, up close has 500 ft lbs., from a 4" barrel.
@@doranmaxwell1755 from a carbine, the 125 gr 357 is 2200 fps. FAR more power than the 30 carbine and the PISTOL jhps actually DO expand at 1300 fps, while the 30C softpoints do not. There's a world of difference, in favor of the 357, at least out to 150m.
I’ve shot quite a few deer with .30 carbine, some of them over 200#.
Their story is in the freezer with them!
My dad and grandpa have killed many deer with the 30 carbine in marlin lever action
@@samuelhannah7953 millons have been taken with the 22lr, too. Doesn't make either one waf for deer, without brain hits.
I knew two Richmond ca officers that were gunned down by one in the late 80s. They were ambushed and their 80s 2A vests did nothing to help them. That 110gr 30 carbine went through their vests and them. Don’t underestimate that little round, it’s a penetrator.
Old 2a vests barely stopped handguns. .30 carbine is "wimpy" compared to .30-06. So is a .44 magnum, which no one says is "wimpy"... Go figure.
@@arthurchadwell9267 no one is saying that 30 carbine is a full rifle round like 30-06, but I am saying that it is a lot more than a pistol round. 30 carbine is one hell of a penetrating round though and It will zip right through twice as much ballistics gel as 556 and 30-06.
Audie Murphy who was the most decorated US soldier of WWII, liked the M1 Carbine the best. He shot a German sniper from 100 yards thru the snipers scope with his M1 Carbine
No he didnt
That's definitely a BS story but he did like the M1 Carbine
It doesn't get enough respect. Most of the people I've talked with who downplay it turned out to be teenagers online who have never fired one (or, a real gun, for that matter).
Why are you talking to teenagers online? Seems like you need to be investigated.
Alot of WW2 German Soldier would have explained the actual stopping power of this little 30cal. Unfortunately after meeting up with the 30cal their silence spoke volumes.
Hahaha, what an insanely stoopid comment.
And far more people have died from a 22lr. Does that mean 22lr is a better cartridge for war?
Similar to the American soldier after meeting up with the K98 cartridge.
I don't think the US Army would use a weapon that wasn't up to par. It was sufficient enough for sure 👍
@@Bulletisred look up 38 long colt....
My Dad had one issued to him in WW-2 in the Army Air Corp he was a Crew Chief in the Pacific and they issued M-1 Carbines to the guy's staying on the Air Base and 30-06 cal. to the Marines on his Island , he liked it so much that he bought a surplus 30 cal. Carbine from an Army/Navy Store in the Early Fifties it looked unissued ( could have been a refurbished ) , but was a genuine WW-2 Carbine with the proof markings on the Barrel !
My brother and I used to shoot our M1 Carbines on a 100 yard BR range and we got hand-sized groups. Years ago an army major or colonel was visiting who was in WW2. We showed him our targets and he wouldn’t believe them, said we must have had target carbines.
I think a lot of the lore regarding the inaccuracy of "weapon x" used in wartime that is later disproved on the range stems from the fact that careful, leisurely shots are a quite different animal from shots taken in haste - and on a two-way firing range. Movements are more - ah, spirited - when bullets are coming back your way.
Once the M2 carbine arrived with the 30 round "banana clip" (don't blame me - that's what THEY called it), I suspect that popping up and unloading a burst of suppressive fire in the hope of hitting something was the modus operandi of troops who'd not been taught to temper their enthusiasm with a full-auto weapon. That started in Okinawa, but reached full bloom in Korea. And unaimed, burst fire that doesn't stop an enemy charge is easier to blame on frozen vests and lack of penetration than on nerves and bullets flying over the trees.
My father had an "in" with the armorers, so when his AA unit was issued their carbines, he got to pick through the allotment, and found one that "shot straight." I'm assuming these were the earlier fixed aperture sights, and his hit at point of aim. He scraped down the stock with a piece of broken glass, and re-finished it with linseed oil, which improved its looks so much that he once said that anyone inspecting his weapon never got past just admiring the stock, and he could have shoved feces down the barrel and nobody would have noticed. All of his officers used to borrow his carbine when it came time to fire on range. This leads me to assume that it also grouped pretty well, although what sized groups were never mentioned.
Grew up with WW2 Vets all around me, including my Grandfather, "Poppy." Those that had the M1 Carbine swore by them!
Have handled several back then and always wanted one. Still do but,... WOW are they expensive!
This old man just took it off the Bucket List and put it to the Dream List. 😑
They were available through the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
Recall buying one thirty years ago. New-found Poverty forced its sale a few years later.
@@dennisyoung4631 Ah. The reason I can't afford one now. I became disabled, single Dad of twin teenage daughters and Bidenomics just put in the finishing nail.
It's a piece of lead that weighs 110 grains, traveling over 1900 fps. Do with that what you will.
I have a 1965 Universal and just love it.
The .30 carbine really is an interesting firearm. I can really understand how guys coming off the full size rifles of the 1940s and 50s would feel that it is an underpowered round. However it is clearly more potent than the legendary .357. I am sure all of that was very difficult to convey back then without ballistics gel testing as a medium for comparison. To me looks like a fantastic example of what a carbine/back lines/home defense/vehicle crew/police carbine should be. Unfortunately is an old carteidge that didn't get the platform modernization that the 5.56 and .308 did. I would much rather use one of these for self defense than a short ar10 or 15 pistol. Thanks for covering this cartridge, I hope it helps to give it more attention.
Taurus have the CT30
@@juniorrocha2731 LOL a Taurus
@@Skilpadjie1 yes
perfectly stated.
Yeah, they kinda laughed at it compared to the M1 Garand, but when you look at old pictures from WWII, there's a LOT of guys carrying those carbines around. That says a lot, that they would choose to carry the M1 carbine into battle. Nuff said.
Absolutely love my General Motors Inland M30. Just an incredible rifle to shoot.
I’ve got an IBM, myself
I've had this thought watching you in several vids: Maybe keep a folding chair or stool, or even a 5 gal bucket with a pad of some kind, handy?
Seems like a honest man and he knows what he speaks on paul Harold is the other honest man it seems
Paul Harrell.
Excellent info!
Good demonstration of potential and performance. Thank you. It is definitely effective within moderate range.
Thanks again for another addition to my favorite series on this channel. Really appreciate how you present the material here.
amazing video! I was on the fence about adding one to my home defense arsenal
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for a great video Brother. We appreciate your work and thorough review in dismissing the nonsense. 🙌🏼
Great video....
02:06 “Definitely a MIL-spec trigger … for … sure …”
😂
Glad that you hit the gel from further away as well. A lot of smaller game hunting done with .30 carbine.
I was thinking about an M1 carbine but the ammo isn't cheap on this side of the pond.
Isn't cheap anymore, anywhere.
The m1 carbine used to be a GREAT alternative to AR-15s. Back in the 90s, Colt AR-15s were like $2400. And that's in 1993 dollars! So that would be like what, $6000 now? Now you can see the situation. I bought an Iver Johnson M1 carbine at a gun show in 1997 for $120! Yeah I got "had" because some nitwit had cross threaded the piston. I think it cost me like $75 to get it fixed. After that it was a real sweet shooter!
Have an Iver Johnson also pretty worn but still puts the holes where you want them
Good video .
something easily overlooked is the performance of a a rounded flat based short projectile is conducive to a straight line penetration which can give more reliable performance.... It might have more in common with a .30-30 or albeit not near as powerful a 45-70. There were rumors of its ineffective performance in korea however more soldiers than not swore by its effectiveness. considering 30-06 fmj tended to overpenetrate on smaller framed people.
as opposed to a 7.62 x 39 or .223 fmjbt which tends to tumble as the base tends to overtake the tip during penetration. sometimes the bullet flies apart, sometimes is veers off and comes out in unexpected places or maybe penetrate with leaving little energy dump.
I would be its reliablity on deer versus the .223 would be more predictable and more effective terminal ballistics.
Thanks for the fine demonstration. Most underrated cartridge IMO. Like to see the hollow points at 100yds. Maybe some other ammo choices... kudos though 🎉
Would be nice a comparison with the 30 carbine and the .327 federal from a rifle. I think both will be at a similar power level. Like both
30 carbine is way more powerful than the 327
@@jjrigdon5773 Really? What make you say so ? Last time I checked the 30 Carbine is 110 grains and will go about 2,000 fps. The .327 is 100 grains and will go about 1500 fps from a handgun, but can reach over 2,000 from a rifle. So I think they are about the same power levels.
I'd watch a comparison on those. Very intriguing. We already know how it stacks up against .357 mag, but I have no idea about .327mag.
@@happycamper9300 A better comparison would be .30 carbine vs .32-20 High Velocity
@@redtra236 That would be nice too
Gun Jesus from forgotten weapons says that 30 carbine ballistically is similar to 357 magnum.
At 100 yds compared to 357 muzzle
I've used these a lot, very good weapon, with decent ammo.
There is for sure. To me its like saying it us better to be hit by a pickup than a train. Don't want nothing to do with either. Thanks for watching.
@AmmoMart I use soft point ammo in mine for defense rounds. Not hollow point but just soft nose. It flattens out nicely without bits coming off like a hollow point or more damage than I want because I not only use it for a defense round but also a hunting round. Like I have said before the round is underrated because of all the folks shooting it beyond the carbine's effective range of 250 to 300 yards. Within its range its very deadly and very effective with plenty of power/muzzle energy. Thanks for sharing.
Have to agree, don't even want to be shot with a daisy BB gun
The Aussies loved the M1 in Vietnam watched a review where the M1 and 223 were shot into clay the 30 carbine blew a huge hole.
Too bad Charlie wasn't made of clay
.30 carbine = 950 foot pounds of energy
M193 5.56 = 1200 foot pounds of energy
Got a 1943 universal. Loveit!
Knew an ol boy down in Mississippi.. done nuisance calls for deer, he could stack um like cord wood.. Seen him take squirrels with head shots.. Believe it was an after war Iver Johnson.. scoped. 🎉
This was the first rifle I owned. I loved how light and balanced it was. My uncle was issued one in WW2, he told me at the first chance, soldiers would discard them for other rifles. With an FMJ, it just slides through and has little stopping ability (worse then a 9mm). With a SP, it would be quite effective. There's much more to a cartridges effectiveness then just energy.
Soldiers always complain. Doesn't mean that their perception was true at all.
Great video! I've enjoyed my 30 Carbine that was my dad's. I just wish ammo was easier to find.
lucky gunner has a bunch right now
The M1 carbine got a bad reputation in Korea, not because it was a bad weapon nor because the original ammo design was faulty.
Most ammo supplied to troops in Korea was left-over surplus from the WWII Pacific campaign. This ammo differed in manufacture from other theaters of operation in that desiccant was added to the powder. This proved effective in keeping the ammo safe and useable in the heat and humidity of the South Pacific.
HOWEVER, the newly formed Ordnance Department in 1954, discovered that this powder mixture, when subjected to extreme cold (below 30 degrees) often dropped the chamber pressure to below 40%. This meant that some bullets barely had enough energy to leave the barrel, let alone go through quilted Chinese uniforms.
With standard powder the 110 gr. cartridge's are equivalent to a .357 magnum in stopping power and with the 18" bbl. it is quite accurate!!
Interesting facts there! I did not know that.
The fact South Korea kept using the M1 and M2 carbines for many more years and even used them extensively in the Viet Nam War, and beyond proves the M1 was effective.
I thought this was well known, but then I'm an old geezer. 20-30 years ago you would often see 30 carbine ammo advertised as "temperature stabilized", so I would assume that problem was fixed long ago. I've never owned anything in the caliber so I don't have a horse in the race, but for someone that wanted a light rifle for backpacking or someone who was recoil sensitive, it would be a great gun.
TY!! I had not heard this view-point/info before!! Very interesting! My first personal experience, in 1968, w/cartridge/weapon as I was hiding( for safety reasons) watching six drunken "hunters" empty multiple magazines @6/8 deer for several minutes. They managed to fatally drop two, one of which required knife coups de gras. Made me skittish for 30+ years, until .327 Federal magnum was designed & I researched/compared the two. I can see it differently now.
Actually has the energy at 100 yards as the 357 does at the muzzle
I waited too long to get an M1 carbine, they have gotten too expensive. They literally made millions of these rifles and now the prices are ridiculous.
Nothing will kill the old reputation that the M1 carbine got in the war days, when it was unfairly compared to the 30.06 and was after that, forever deemed to be a "weak" cartridge. But yet 9x19mm pistol caliber carbines are more popular all the time and the M1 carbine is substantially more powerful than a 9mm, even fired from a long barreled weapon. I think the last time I looked at a ballistic chart to compare the two, the carbine was over twice the velocity at any range.
Most people alive never heard these rumors and their first introduction to the cartridge is a RUclips video or a video game where the M1 carbine has good damage.
And that's saying a lot. Iraq Veteran 1888 did a video on the lethality of the 9mm some years back. They eventually went out to 440 yards and the little bullet pierced the plywood and the 2x4 supports in the back. The hardest thing was just seeing the target at that distance. If the 9mm can penetrate well beyond easy visibility, what can the.30 carbine do? Ultra-Mega-MAGA
And three times the ft/lbs.
30 carbine 110gr bullet 1900fps OUT OF A RIFLE
9mm 115gr bullet 1400fps OUT OF A PISTOL
Load them both in rifle or both in pistols and the difference is negligible.
@@jimbob465 115 gr 9mm does not go 1400 ft/s from a pistol.
I remember reading a magazine in the 1990's about US troops fighting their way through Europe in WW2 and in this article a veteran was quoted as saying "l shot this German with a hat full of bullets but he was still able to raise his gun and shoot me"
Guys said the same thing in Korea and personally I think they were just missing. Like even during both wars with Iraq people said the same thing about 5.56, but no one today would consider 5.56 a slouch when you see how devastating wounds they cause. Most guns back then didn't have optics, and the concept of battle point zero wasn't really known to the average infantryman until Vietnam.
Makes more sense to think someone shooting a hat full of bullets in a stressful situation and missing then to imagine someone shrugging off a hits, the •30cal carbine round might not have the oomph of a rifle cartridge but it's still a serious piece of lead.
We must remember that the German soldiers of WWII were on a steady diet of Permitin. I hope that I spelled that right. Do a little research and you will find that troops hopped up on methamphetamines don't tire easily, lack healthy fear, and are hard to put down. Remember the FBI shootout that prompted them to change calibers? Perhaps the unreal bravery of the famed Yook-rain soldiers can be attributed to chemical enhancements. Reports from captured soldiers verified by Rush-ins that every combatant deployed near the the front was administered 'stimulants' on the order of Command at Key-F. Super Soldiers are not as hard to create as one might think. Better living through chemistry? Fact is stranger than fiction. MAGA
@@duranbailiff5337 There are many cases in which people high on 'stimulants' were hard to stop. I have read of paratroopers in the D-day operation who preceded the landings that were given 'stimulants' to take during the first 48/72 hours to 'keep them on their toes' and that some soldiers didn't know they had been wounded until someone told them.! 'Stimulants' in the military have always been understated but there's always a cost to be paid for the people involved, physically and mentally and with politicians wanting to cut veterans support it makes for tuff times.
@@duranbailiff5337 Any country that doesn't pump up research budgets for stimulants and doesn't stockpile them and create a production base for a long war right now is gonna be at a severe disadvantage to any that do.
The soft point ammunition will have a hard time in the M1 Carbine because the nose is soft and will deform during feeding and will not cycle properly. Soft points were used on a Ruger revolver that was chambered in .30 Carbine.
The impression I get is that the actual width of the bullet has more influence on it's stopping power than anything else, wider being better. The exception being when an attacker is wearing body armor, then everything else being equal the more ballistic shaped round takes over.
My Awesome Grandfather was in the Aloutuon islands in Alaska and in the Pacific during WW2 in the Army and He said the guys He was with loved the M1 carbine...
All of my M1 and M2 carbines have decent triggers, as do my Garands. It is surprising, and I've not fiddled with any of them.
Same for me .
my friend was in a artillery unit on the front lines in italy in ww2. he said he had a m1 carbine. his cannon shot 7 miles so he was always a little back from rifle fire but the german shells would come into where he was at. he didn't like his carbine because it was only good out to 100-150 yards. so he left it and picked up a german rifle that was good out to 3 or 4 hundred yards. well he made it home to kalamazoo and got married to his girlfriend who had waited for him while he was gone for 3.5 years. they were married for over 60 years and had 4 kids and a bunch of grandchildren. he was very interesting to talk to about the war.
Did it take them right down? That's a good poke with that rifle!! Congrats.
During we 2. Military classes. M 1 carbine cartridge as Light rifle cartridge.
I keep mine handy.
I was an M16A1 soldier in the 80s. My Dad had an M2 carbine in the 50. I bought an M1 in college and couldn’t figure out how to disassemble it. Dad : “Hand it over!”
It got a bad rap in the Korean war because troops were carrying the M2 carbine which is select fire and fired at a high rate. They were also using WW2 ammo that probably wasn't stored correctly. They would claim it wouldn't stop the Chinese troops but they probably were missing the target or were at a longer range than the round is designed for. This was a replacement of the pistol for support troops the first true PDW not a battle rifle. It's a maximum 300 meter rifle.
"This was a replacement of the pistol for support troops"
-Both assertions are false
My grandfather was carried the BAR in the Army airborne in Korea and the M1 carbine was the weapon he spoke most highly of. A lot of the bad rap comes from fairy tales somebody heard somebody else say.
I find it interesting that a lot of the same people who say 30 carbine is weak will also talk about how great pistol caliber carbines are.
Thank you very much, it was very interesting, as promised
I am glad you liked it. Really a great catch by Matt on the round that got caught between blocks. Thanks again for viewing.
You're very welcome. It was a very nice video
Thanks.,.
Ask all the soldiers killed in WW2, Korean War and Vietnam War (by this underpowered 30 caliber) if the M-1 Carbine has enough stopping power.
That camera on the target table..."This job sucks! My recruiter lied to me"
Excellent presentation! I remember reading at the battle of the bulge,most captured Americans were cooks,back line units.they had mostly m1 carbines.the Germans loved the gun,picking them first when choosing captured American rifles.And the ss had sturmgewers!!! Ak47
It's funny how the 30 carbine is under rated in the 300 blackout is so immensely popular, there's just not much difference between the two other than the platform.
Right, .300 blackout from a 8” launches a 110gr .30 cal bullet at virtually the same speed as the .30 carbine.
300bo uses 21st century bullets....
@@jimbob465 master of the obvious
@@Hornet135 says the guy who points out they go the same speed....
@@jimbob465 And so does most .30 carbine.... granted you cant use sptizer bullets in a .30 carbine
I heard or read somewhere that the ballistic numbers initially were entered, and then published, that were bad numbers for the 30 carbine and everybody just went with it?
Don’t know if that’s true or not, maybe someone else has heard that as well?
Yea , that was a Paul Harrell video .
I'd attribute the "lack of stopping power" to two things. One, soldiers too often were trying to compare the M1 carbine to the M1 Garand, thinking the carbine was somehow supposed to replace the Garand when the reality was that the carbine was invented to give all the REMF's (Rear-Echelon MF'ers) something with more range and firepower than the M1911 pistol they'd originally been issued with. Don't know about you, but I'd be far more confident with a carbine that's got enough energy to hit like a .357 at the muzzle at 100 yards instead of an M1911, especially with the additional contact points and twice the mag capacity.
The other is, and I'm sure it'll ruffle some feathers, but a lot of GI's don't want to admit they were likely missing their targets at range, especially the Korean War vet's that kept complaining they were pumping rounds into Korean/Chinese troops and they weren't going down...while having to shoot at entire mass formations charging at them, their adrenalines up, its late at night, and their night visions gone out the window between darkness and flashes of artillery going off around them. I'd be generous and say a small minority of them would somehow have the skill to be cool as a cucumber and be popping well aimed shots at individual soldiers in the middle of a massed formation, at night with just irons.
I've heard at 200yds the m1 carbine has the power of a 357 at point blank and the only complaint I've heard from veterans was the poor quality of the carbine mags.
The so-called ‘experts' are often wrong. It’s better to learn from legitimate videos like this one!
The low stopping power myths is from assumptions of soldiers using high power rounds such as the 30-06. Initially I believe the Carbine was a replacement for pistols for officers, tankers and crew served weapons that morphed over to the line units. Especially got a bump from the Airborne units wanting a compact rifle.
My grandad used one of these in ww2 my dad bought a deactivated one he died in February and the police took it I got it back thank god but took a real effort.
My father kept one in his patrol car for 20yrs when he was a police officer. From what I understand, nobody wanted any part of that gun when it came out of that car.
Winchester had a police-only 100 gr, 2000 fps load that worked pretty well. The 100gr softpoints dont expand well in flesh much beyond 50m and when you dont have expansion, the 30C is pretty damned feeble.
I believe that you kept interchanging hollow point for soft point. I’ve yet to encounter a .30 caliber carbine 110 grain JHP bullet.
Hornady make a .30 carbine critical defense round
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It works.
My father carried one during his two years in Korea, said he never had a problem with it.
You seem like you know a lot about your firearms do you think it could be because of the innovation of better gunpowder we have today compared to what they had back then so the ballistics is much better today then they had
My Dad was in the army in 1963 and he said he preferred the m1 garand or the m14 he said the m1 carbine was not accurate but to about 250 to 300 yards but I don’t think it was intended to use for long range it was more a jungle gun must have been okay they made over 6 million of them
The M1 C is not a power house, but it is an adequate antipersonnel round with proper ammo. It points well, is easy to carry, has little recoil, and is decently accurate. I find no fault with it.
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The 30 carbine was designed to replace a handgun and packed far more punch and accuracy than the 45 as well as 2x the capacity. many soldiers tried to use it as a replacement for the much heavier m1 garand, which it was not designed to do. no one disputes the 125gr 357 magnum for stoppimg power, uet the 30 carbine packs as much energy at 100 yards(!) as the 357 round does at the muzzle. and what were the odds of hitting the enemy at 100 yards with a 1911??
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also a mention on lb ft of momentum i would say the .30 carbine easily beats the .223
M-1 carbine, 110 grain round nose bullet FMJ at 1,900 fps.
Great gun.. have one myself… but in the grand scheme of battle rifles… it’s a pip-squeak.
Interesting... the military had a kind of stopping power idea mostly if it would penetrate a 3/4" plywood. interestingly the 45 acp will do that at 400 yards and certainly the 30 carbine will. I have a Ruger revolver in 30 carbine that I handload for. not my favorite but it does shoot very flat.
The 30 carbine Ruger…I bet your ears are still ringing!
@@mcbridecreek LOL... my poor ears are pretty much toast from half a century or more of shooting guns and drag racing and riding Harley's with no helmet or even going to rock concerts... come to think of it.... everything that could harm your ears? I did. That being said... I wear ear protection these days... even so.. the difference between shooting the Ruger BH and one of my .357 guns is noticeable. and 'blast' hard to quantify blast but it exists.. like that fireball out the end of the barrel say or the change in air pressure if you are off to the side.
There's a youtuber who trash talked the 30 carbine and after 6 days had to turn off his comments
The information that is being spread that the .30 cal is not great to use in this day and age is from the ammunition’s manufacturer trying to get rid of stuff that works for newer ammunition in their lineup. The old saying “out with the old, in with the new.
I would take my M1 carbine into a fight before I took my AR granted my AR run smooth but there’s something about that old-school wood furniture. There’s reason it won a war.
I wish someone would make an M1 Carbine style stock for the Mini14.
often In combat a wounded enemy takes more enemies out of the fight than adead one
Good Enough at 100yrds for a home invader without a ballistic vest but would it pernitrate a level II, III or IV vest?
Of course their application has come back into consideration in Israel because of the demand for a lot of PDW's & they had lots of them at one time(tour guides had them) wither they still do's a question(passed to PA?)
Unlike the neutered fn5.7, It will defeat level IIIa body armor with ease and with off the shelf ammunition. Within 100 to 150 yards, it can do everything the 556 can do. Like the 556, you would need a level III and above plate to stop it.
The 556 uses speed to create cavitation, the round nose .30 carbine uses its shape to create cavitation.
The M1 carbine was designed to replace the 1911A1 as a pdw for those who didn’t carry a rifle for a living.
Melvin Johnson necked down the .30 carbine to take .224 round nose bullets, creating the Johnson 5.7 or the Johnson .22 spitfire.
5 million carbines were made during WWII, many of them given away as aid during the Cold War.
@@centurian318 I know Israel passed on most of theirs to the Palestinian Authority but I'd understood there was or had been an Israeli manufacturer & I thought they might have to start producing them again.
They've got video of M-16 carbine handouts now but I wondered were they could get 10,000 rifles of a any kind & apparently they had 4K in stock some where! Wow
Back when there were reimports in the 90s and later it was rumored that some of those came from Israel. I don't know how you could tell except maybe not have the Korean stencils on the stocks!
@@tomsherwood4650 My question was would they do in todays combat as a PDW for Israeli's. I have no idea they'd have 10,000 M-16 Carbines on hand & thought they'd be scrambling! I also take it for granted that a lot of people who are currently under evacuation will want a lot more than they had before evacuation to go back. If they still had their inventory of Uzi's there might be no problem but I believe they've passed them on around the world
If you get milsurp steel core ammo I think it definitely would
Well, now that they got better ammo for it like Hornady, i got 1943 m 1, and I can't find any ammo for it. I don't like to buy Ammo From the internet.
I dunno, I kinda consider it a magnum PCC. Hard to find correct HP for handloads but the common SP should expand at that MV and does in videos. You can buy HP ammo supposedly, $$$! No point in loading max hotness for the gun, they are old and if you break parts, maybe you got the bayonet to use as a last ditch!
The M-1 Carbine in 7.62x33mm was designed with an intermediate cartridge capable of engaging targets out to about 200 meters. However, the M-1 Carbine is ideal at target ranges out to 150 meters or less. Most infantry combat ranges are at 200 meters or less. The idea of the M-1 Carbine was to replace handguns as personal defense weapon for rear echelon personnel. Handguns are mostly useless on a battlefield. Plus, handguns are difficult to learn to shoot effectively beyond ten meters. So the M-1 Carbine also had the benefit of replacing submachine guns in many cases. The four point contact of an M-1 Carbine makes it easier for troops to train on. This concept of ease of training large numbers of soldiers is critical when mobilizing millions of men during a global conflict. It should be noted that the M-1 Carbine had a small cartridge with way less recoil than a heavy 10 lbs M-1 Garand rifle in .30-06 caliber. The M-1 Carbine allowed the shooter to keep his aiming point on the target for quick rapid follow up shots.
The M-1 Carbine quickly found its way into frontline combat in nearly all Army units. U.S. Airborne divisions had a folding stock version of the M-1 Carbine. The lightweight of 5.5 lbs made the M-1 Carbine ideal for soldiers carrying mortars, ammunition carriers, crew served weapons and others whose primary tasks were primarily support roles. However, frontline infantry soldiers are seen using M-1 Carbines in old combat footages in WW2 Europe, the Pacific, the Korean War and Vietnam. M-1 Carbines were given as Lend Lease aid to U.S. allies around the globe during the Cold War. These allied countries universally liked the M-1 Carbine for security roles, military ppolice and for rear echelon personnel.
What round accounted for the largest number of enemy casualties in Korea? 30 carbine, don't take my word check
I wonder if Benjamin "Bugsy" Siegel would agree that the M1 Carbine round was weak and ineffective.
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Why do you keep calling the soft point round a "hollow point"?
Well, the performace of 30 Carabine is almost identical to the 300 Black Out. Quite popular today
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@@HDBujutsu1775 300Bck O. 110 grns, 2350 Fps 55K PSI, 30 Car, 110 grns 2000 Fps 40K PSI. Load it to 55K PSI and?
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@@HDBujutsu1775 He,he, For me the 300 Bck O is a useles cartride. I do own a 30-30 Win that outshoots it, My minimum auto Is a 7.62 x39. in a Mini 30. A 223 M4 my Son in law has is better in ligh cal plinking. If an auto on my list would be at least 308. Or several 22.s I own. My proyect to rebarrel my 30-06 to 35 whelen and a light weight 7RM for grandson
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I wouldn't want to get hit with a .30 Carbine at any distance.