This video deals primarily with the power/use of the rifle. If you want to hear more about the history of the rifle, Lucky Gunner just published a good video on the subject.
@Ellison Rodgers I agree on the terrier ferocity. I had a Cairn as a kid and she would have stood between me and a charging bull. But you can't beat a huahua for concealment.
I was issued the M1 Carbine when I was promoted to Sergeant in 1962 Korea. I had to qualify with my new issue (to me) M1 Carbine. I reported to the range that (as I recall) consisted of pop-up targets at various ranges all the way to 300 yards. I was the only shooter on the range; the Range Officer told me, "Don't even bother with the 300 yard targets, it won't even shoot that far." Really? I missed the first two 300 yard targets, then got the rest. I set a new range record for the M1 Carbine that day! Those two 300 yard targets were my only misses. Thank you for your review.
I know I’m late to the party on this video. For what it’s worth, my father is a US Marine Corps Korean war veteran. When I was a newbie shooter I also considered the 30 carbine under powered and was having this discussion with my father. He looked at me and said “I never had anyone I shot with one say that.” Discussion over.
My grandfather was in Europe in WW2, and he said he got his hands on a Carbine as soon as he could. Lighter, 15 rounds, less recoil. He was in the Infantry, and he said they were some of the most popular guns because especially late in the war when it became more urban fighting in German towns, you wanted something light maneuverable, high capacity but still packed a punch. The M1 Carbine and the M3 Grease Guns were more popular than anything else
I am also very late to the party on this video and your comment but to add a different perspective, my grandfather was a trooper in the 1st Cavalry Division and fought across the Pacific, eventually being seriously wounded at Luzon in the Philippines. He was one of the soldiers that did not like the carbine and instead much preferred either the M1 Garand or the BAR because he did believe the M1 carbine to be underpowered. What is interesting though is that, his belief that it was underpowered didn't have anything to do with how many hits it took to drop someone with the carbine. Rather, it was that the carbine would be defeated by many of the small and medium sized trees in the Pacific that the Japanese would take cover behind. He said with an M1 Garand or a BAR, you could shoot through the tree and still reliably knock down the man taking cover behind it.
Anyone who grew up with a .30-06 M1 would most likely have a opinion that the M1 Carbine was a less powerful round. That is to be expected. But, in real sense, a 110 grain round at 1950 foot per second is no slouch. It was designed as a less powerful round for a reason. More then a handgun, less then a full battle rifle. People should get that through their brain.
@ kevinuspa9353 - Your father's experiences aren't all that surprising when you consider that the 30-Carbine 110-gr. load duplicates or even surpasses (depending on range) the ballistics of a 357 Magnum handgun round as fired out of a handgun. And the 357 Magnum, firing 125-gr. HP loads, is known in the LE community as a potent fight stopper... and has been for many years. The 30 Carbine cartridge is "under-powered" only in reference to traditional bottle-necked full-sized rifle cartridges like 30-06... but that wasn't what the Carbine or its ammo was designed to replace or supplement. Instead, it was intended to give greater range/striking power to troops whose primary weapon had previously been a sidearm such as the M1911 pistol. Our family lost an uncle on my wife's side a few years back, a decorated Korean War veteran of the U.S. Army, an infantryman who had seen a lot of action against Chi-Com forces in 1950-1951, before being seriously wounded and ultimately sent home after a period of recovery and limited duty in Japan. If your dad was a Marine, well, he deserves all of the credit and praise in the world. Those guys sure earned their pay in Frozen Chosin and in the Pusan Perimeter, and places like that. If I had it to do over again (I'm an old man now), I'd join the Corps out of school. After 9-11-01, I tried to become a FMF Corpsman, since I am a medic in civilian life, but I was a year over the age cutoff and couldn't get in. Given how things ended in the 'Stan, maybe that's a blessing in disguise, but I do regret not being able to save some Marines' lives.
In Simi Valley Calipornia there is an establishment called Lock, Stock and Barrel. They sell firearms on consignment via one or two auction sites. Maybe about five years ago or more, they received an M1 Carbine from a deceased man's son to auction off. Turns out this firearm was originally owned by Audie Murphy. Lt. Murphy gave it to the since deceased man in the early 60's, in the Los Angeles area, because the Lt. was concerned for the man's safety, as there were some riots occurring in the area. Audie Murphy sent him some ammo along with the rifle, and a letter offering him the rifle with an explanation why. The man never fired the rifle. It was in the same condition when put up for auction as when it was first given to Audie's friend. The winning bid was $10,000.00.
@@jjohnston94 In some older videos, Paul would use that as a tie-breaker, or justification for why he personally preferred one firearm over another, whether or not it was more popular or thought to be better. His phrasing is so damn iconic and humorous that it became a thing.....
Amen... Facts separated by opinion by the guy talking... Paul should release a video everyday at 4:55 so we can make it through a news break without being lied to.
"You could find Garands, Tommy guns, Mausers, burp guns (MP 42....) and other guns laying on the ground after a battle. You never found a Carbine." What my Grandfather told me when I asked him about the rifle.
@@jerrysmooth24 the gun he is referring to, the original commenter, is the ppsh-41 which is the burp gun, and the gun you linked did not se any type of service in WW2
@@danielhall6578 You sure about that there mate? The MKb 42 would be refined into the MP43 which would later be dubbed the STG44 which was the first widely deployed "assault rifle" (And source of the term, a phrase coined by Adolf himself actually). While you could argue the MKb itself likely saw little usage, but you could say the same about the AK-47 as practically all AK platform rifles in usage are based on the AKM which was a refined version of the OG AK-47. If you want to be hyper-pedantic you can make the claim the AK-47 saw almost no combat deployment much like the MKb-42, but if you aren't so pedantic you'll recognize the fact that the mass production versions of each saw quite a lot of service. It is erroneous to refer to the MKb-42 as a "burp gun" but it is just as much so to claim it didn't see any type of service.
I served in Korea 1985-1986. The ROK reserves had carbines...and they liked them. I’ve spoken to a number of vets who used it IN COMBAT. Korea and WW2 and even in the early days of Vietnam...they all said it was “ Good to Go”. The magazines were known to be on the cheap side...but American logistics allowed them to be swapped out easily. As for under loading magazines. YES l did and still do. We loaded 28 rounds in our magazine in the DMZ and l loaded 18 rounds in my 20 round magazines as well. This was passed down to me by NCOs who had been IN COMBAT. Where it counts. I never tire of Mr. Harrell or his videos. I am somewhat disturbed by the comments made by the individual who criticized your facial expressions and then went on to call your decorations fake...and to criticize your marksmanship...well...just plain ludicrous. Please continue with your videos Mr. Harrell. I appreciate getting info from a fellow infantry soldier. You definitely put the info out so that the average person can use it to their advantage. Not everyone is Special Forces....Infantry does just fine. Thank you again.
I know with a couple handguns I've owned, downloading magazines by a round or two, makes them easier to get in, especially if you hit the slide release instead of racking the slide. Of course, this isn't under combat and is only at the range with plenty of BSing time with buddies in between shooting, so no stress at all and nothing in the dirt or muck. But even then, if I can tell the difference on a gun that lives in the safe 99% of the time with good factory mags, I'd be willing to bet the guys carrying box magazine fed weapons for a living, damn sure could.
Mr. Z, Always interesting and informative to get real, FACTUAL info from someone with first hand experience. Thank you, and also THANK YOU for your service and sacrifice.
Hum I have 3 M-1 Carbines and Id swear they were 30 round and 15 round mags where did you come up with a 20 rounder? Also I find that Carbines are effective in certain environments and in some such as thick jungle not as effective as a M-16 or M-14 etc,also if your in open terrain and your target is at a distance your much better off with another choice.I think thats why they regulated them to the rear with cooks and others,But in its defence when your in close quarters such as house to house fighting and other tight quarters it works very well because of its portability and the rounds are effective at short range and very accurate,Personally I like the M-1 as if your going to carry it and your ammo load 10 miles ,it sure beats carrying a Garand and the 30.06 rounds.
Very true words. I also know/knew several ww2 and Korean War vets. They all said the same thing. As long as I got a clean magazine I’d take an m1 carbine over the m1 garand. I guess the average grunt cared about weight. Lugging around an 8 shot m1 garand got heavy. I can attest to this as my dad deer hunted with an m1 garand. It is heavy, to heavy for me anyway.
It was popular in WW2. It took a bit of a hit during the Korean winters when the Chinese crossed over with their padded cold weather gear that often also included some kind of rough animal skin as a mid layer over a base layer. If you had a carbine you had to aim for the head. It simply wouldn't penetrate at all at distance. Or you scavenged for a rifle. In the mild months it was fine. I'm guessing guys had somewhat similar issues against the Germans in the winter of 1944 but it might not have been as bad as that Chinese cold weather gear.
@@LovesTrains440 What at the picnic table covered in sticky soda residue, bone shards, fruit pulp and bits of meat? Even the meat will have bits of t-shirt, fleece and insulation tape through it. I'd think twice about feeding it to a dog.
This guy is like the David Attenbourough of the Weapon Commentary World... I could listen to him all day.. discussing different types of paint and their drying characteristics.. he'd still find a way to make it informative and interesting.. no show boating here :)
One big advantage to the M1 Carbine is if you are in a state with some form of "assault weapons" ban, the M1 Carbine usually falls out of the ban as it is usually is missing a cosmetic feature and it is not an "AR" clone.
6 year old Paul: " Ill keep this hunters education manual for future reference to give me more data points to cut through trends and hearsay 40 years from now"
@@sawyernorthrop4078 6yo Harrel turns to other kids in the playground after giving a detailed description of how yellow and red dodge balls have little difference in trajectory and handling and says, "Folks don't try this at home, I'm what you call a perfessional..."
@Marc Singleton They get a steady diet of pre-tenderized meat targets. Paul can write it off as a business expense. Plus he's gotta be real friendly with his butcher.
When I was a kid my dad bought a carbine through the DCM program for 25 bucks. We got some surplus ammo to try it out and my dad, me and my younger brother were able to hit a small boulder at 300 yards easily using just the iron sights set for that range. We were all impressed with it and I remain so despite the years of hearing how bad it is. My younger brother carried it and harvested several deer with it.
Jim Cirillo of the NYPD stakeout squad preferred the M1 carbine over any other weapon for the type of very short range shootouts that his unit got into (and there were many). He preferred it over 12ga shotguns and 9mm subguns. He wrote that it tended to knock people down very reliably. His books are quite interesting.
I had the honor of meeting Jim shortly before he passed in a traffic accident. He came to the NYPD outdoor range on a visit. One of my officers ran to the armory to get a customized S&W 9mm that he used to carry. As we handed it to him, he said, "This is my gun!". He was stunned and overjoyed at the same time. He was humble, soft spoken, humorous, and a perfect gentleman.
@@brianfurman6713 even with the original ammo it was still an effective weapon. Stories about its lack of power are from soldiers who missed their targets but didn't want to admit they missed
Rip .357 henry. Suicided by m16. WHAT a way to go. Lol. Paul you are hilarious. I like the m1carbine. Only shot it a couple times. My original thought for the "weak" ness is that it was in such close proximity to the 30.06 in history and military issue. Thanks for another great video. Now back to the rest of my day.
@@WhoWouldWantThisName It wasn`t meant as a joke but as sarcasm. Gary Webb was the main journalist who uncovered the cocain-weapons deals the CIA is/was involved. Others "involved" died under suspect cirumstances too.
You have to appreciate the hours of work that had to go into a 38 minute video. That shows in how well it turned out. Thank you for putting in the work for us to get meaningful info and education (and entertainment).
In the late '50s, my dad, a WWII vet, was the range NCO of a Signal Corps unit in Germany. They were equipped with M-1 carbines and that's what a particular group of men at the range were to qualify with. I was there as a kid, sitting on bleachers behind the firing line with some other family members, to proudly observe Dad. They were getting a little practice in first and the results were not impressive. Typically, the guys were moaning about how you couldn't hit a wall with a carbine from 5 feet away, yada yada. Dad randomly snatched one away, grabbed a loaded mag, walked up to the line and began firing. As he did so, he changed position, doing a sort of a tap dance and swaying from side to side. Every shot was well into the black. He uttered some typical NCO type profanity and ordered the men back onto the line and he was soon coaching them into better shooting. Granted, these guys were Signal Corps mapmakers, printers, etc, and Dad was a combat vet as well as a member of the 7th Army pistol team, so he was well above the average skill level. As to carbine accuracy, just sayin'...
Jim Allen I had same experience when I was a Pvt. in basic training with our old worn out M16A2’s, upper and lower receivers rocked back and forth and none of us were doing very well, one day a couple drill sergeants grabbed some of our rifles, one was mine, and proceeded to shoot the black out of the paper targets while walking down the range.
@@G.Davis67 The slop between upper and lower receivers freaks a lot of new shooters out, until you realize that the sights and all the important parts are housed on/in the upper. -- Former Navy instructor.
As an army veteran I got my hands on a Plainfield M1 carbine, and it was plenty accurate. Don't know if the army issue ones were any good but I'd say it was probably a good one when issued. Over time it's possible they were worn down but it's also possible that the soldiers just didn't believe in the weapon especially if they had trained on the M1 Garand
My uncle served in Korea. He always said that the "underpowered" complaints about the 30 carbine were wrong. He said that the problems with the 30 carbine were related to the extreme cold weather. He and his fellow soldiers stripped all the oil and lubricated their guns with graphite. Then they kept all their ammo under their coats. He said that if you did that, the 30 carbine did what it was supposed to do. He added that the rest of the stories were from soldiers who were used to the '06 and tried to make the carbine reach out just as far. His comments about that would be deleted. Since then, I've read that the Korean ammo still had deterrents in the powder to prevent overpower ignition in hot weather. Hmmm - hot weather deterrents in ammo being used in minus 20F weather - seems like a recipe for problems to me.
That is a good point. I have heard several discussions about dealing with police service weapons and concealed carry in cold to below freezing conditions suggesting dry lubricants and switching to a hotter ammo to counteract the performance drop due to freezing temperatures.
I bet his comments about someone trying to stretch the carbine out to 06 ranges would teach us some new words. If your uncle is still with us, please buy him a drink for me!
Your average soldier isn't knowledgeable about ballistics. The 30 Carbine was designed as a personal defense weapon to surrogate for the 1911, so using it as a battle rifle is ridiculous. Concerns about temperature sensitive ammo was legitimate in the Pacific theatre in World War II, and it appears that no adjustments were made for Korea just a few years later. Not exactly an isolated occurrence in US small arms, as the initial performance of the M16 in Vietnam was hindered by using a propellant type other than what the gas system was optimized for.
In reading about the development of the M16, much testing and evaluation was conducted under Arctic conditions. This no doubt was due to the problems encountered during the Korean conflict.
My Dad was in the Army Air Force, stationed in the Azores , as part of the war against U Boats. All of sudden a rush to get everybody user friendly with the M-I Carbine came out of the blue. Apparently in responce to the German airborne assault on Crete . So air craft controllers , mechanics , cooks, all support staff needed a fast low recoil easy rifle to learn with, the M-I Carbine fit the bill in spades , better than handing everybody a Colt automatic handgun .
I use the whole target...the target holder...the back drop...occasionally some of the atmosphere. But hey at least I'm improving. Kinda correlates with that hole in the blindfold though. Not sure.
My Grandfather had nothing but praise for the M1-carbine. His commanding officer, General Slim was given one as a present by "Vinegar" Joe Stillwell and Slim could see the advantages it had over the standard issue SMLE (in a jungle warfare context) right away. He made a point of procuring as many of them as he could for the troops in his command as a result. The often derided .30 carbine round was not a shortcoming in the jungles of Burma, on the contrary, it was ideal for the close quarters fighting. The low recoil and semi auto action meant much quicker follow up shots. The rifle's small size made wielding it in a tight spot much easier and the fact that it would take a bayonet (where the next favourite weapon - the Thompson gun - would not) was useful too. The lighter ammo meant more could be carried, or that there was more spare space for Bren gun magazines or mortar rounds. In short, it was just about ideal, and my Gramps swore by his. The only shortcoming he mentioned was that the magazines were rather flimsy and had a tendency to deform easily along with weak springs. He said the 30 round mags that started to arrive later in the war were best avoided if possible but that the 15 rounders were manageable with care and regular replacement. The advantages the M1 carbine offered when up against a bolt action armed enemy at close quarters were worth the hassle the mags occasionally offered it seems. Gramps said that an M1 carbine and a pouch of grenades became more or less standard kit as they pushed the Japanese back across Burma. I'd love one for myself, but the semi auto action makes them a no-no here. Happy belated 4th of July by the way.
The thing with the 30rd mags is that they're designed for the M2 Carbine, the select-fire model, it had a reinforced magazine catch with better support than on the M1. You can use these magazines on the M1, but they will tend to misbehave, downloading capacity or making sure to push up on the magazine can aid (though the latter is obviously not a practical solution). The later magazine catch of the M2 model can be fitted to the M1, which should alleviate the problems.
I had heard a story from some youtube channel... that a vet had said they liked the rifles fine for certain purposes and that they would just have boxes of new mags... once they used them a bit they would just grab a few new ones so the old ones wouldn't crap out on them at the worst possible time. (because they would deform)
Rob Ashton; My 98 year old father-in-law passed 5 months ago. He served under General Stillwell in the CBI Theater and, he too was issued the M1 Carbine which he had high praise for. He told of using his Carbine to hunt game and provide "meats" to supplement the rations issued to them. Throughout the 47 years I was privileged to be related to him, he owned several M1 Carbines of which he filled his Deer tags annually. Oh, he also had a customized 1917 Springfield in .30/06 that harvested some of his venison too but, his favorite, was the Carbine because it was more manageable in the close vegetation where he hunted like you mentioned above. Thanks for sharing your relatives experiences. We don't often hear much about the CBI Theater and the men who fought there. Again, thanks for sharing your input.
If you think this was a milsurp review, you have grossly missed the content you have been provided. This was a psychology lesson pointed at the greater portion of the internet at large more than a firearm review. That being said, the review was in there, too - and it did make for a good day.
I asked my dad (WW2 Vet) about the carbine being under powered. His short sweet answer was "There are thousands of dead Germans and Japanese that would disagree with that opinion".
@Det Nine Yeah, and the secret in that weapons match up was the Indians could shoot a bow faster than they could reload their muskets. It wasn't until lever action rifles we're introduced did we actually start to win the American Indian wars.. And yes you are correct. A . 22 is a very efficient weapon, and caliber to get the job done. I believe most of the underpowered talk comes from kiddies playing video games, and basing their knowledge upon what gun works the best in video gaming for dropping someone is the least amount of shots... The main thing with me is that I couldn't stand realistic shooters because when you hit someone with a large caliber round in the chest, and they still run around like nothing happened other than their life is at 30% from 100% it is nonsense since they would of got knocked down on their ass especially if they had body armor on and the full force of the round was stopped by them and didn't pass through the body.. and their is no I'll effects from being shot in most games. And they treat smaller calibers as if they are bb guns. Like shooting someone 3-5 times with a 5.56 and the player not dying I'm like yeah ok not in this world...
I cannot wait for a realistic first person shooter that takes into account the shot placement, caliber, projectile type, and distance of the shot. Then wherever they were hit like in the arm have the player not be able to shoot using that arm. Or having to off hand a pistol after being hit In the arm till one can stop and say bandage up. But accuracy, and movement should be affected negatively from being shot... Would be an awesome game to play. That's why I love Arms 3 it's by far the most realistic in hardcore mode for fire fights, and player damage. Other than being able to be revived so much is lame..
I had one in the 80s , never jammed with the military issue ammo , never had any magazine problems, accuracy out to 200yrds was great , this carbine did the job it was intended for ...
@@you_worm3340 Mechanically It's probably mildly more accurate, however it being a rifle makes it significantly EASIER to shoot accurately. Handguns are very hard to use under stress because they're cramped and only have two contact points, rifles are bigger have the extra contact points of your shoulder and cheek which make it significantly easier to hold it stable
Dude he is shooting people in a 50 year range if he is......also the randomness of the readings that would be years makes it pretty hilarious those outliers in the 40s tho he killing peoples grandparents
Paul’s grasp and command of a useful vocabulary is second to none when discussing firearms. Worth watching no matter what your understanding and experience with firearms.
I read in a military small-arms history that the M1 carbine was intended for airborne, rear echelon personnel, tank crews, artillery crews, air crews, etc., being more effective than the 1911 side arm in those applications. It’s was tendered that the acceptable level of effectiveness was more easily reached with less training compared to a pistol and certainly more effective at ranges exceeding 50 yards. The writer also asserted was the 30 carbine was never intended as a replacement for a full battle rifle. I’d say that if that was the true intent, the designers fielded a winner.
Yeah but they built more M1's than they did rifles and everyone in every capacity would often carry them. A rifle you can carry twice as much ammo for and this handy especially with how much smaller and less fed dudes were back then I see the carbine being a very compelling option for someone who is actually fighting as opposed to just participates in a battle on the line adding fire but not getting close.
My grandpa was issued a garand and a 1911 when he ran heavy artillery on Manilla. He traded his 1911 he had no idea how to use effectively (he said he "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it" due to no training) to a tank operator who thought it was way cooler, but their superiors quickly ordered them to trade back. Seems a sensible order, that if the tank crew had to hop out and fight they'd have needed the superior firepower and easier accuracy in a that conveniently small package.
"Overly confident conjecture backed up by fictional data" ... in other words, bullsh#$, or the typical Internet commando "expertise". I love Paul's classy way of pointing out bullsh#$ artist behavior.
I thought everyone on the Internet was a Navy SEAL officer billionaire with 2 supermodel girlfriends? If you can't trust Internet "experts" who can you trust? Thank you Paul for the "Fake Expert" video
Kind of like the difference between a "war story" and a "fairy tail". A fairy tail starts "once upon a time" while a war story starts "this ain't no s**t gang". Learned this from an experienced NCO early in my military days.
I had a friend who saw considerable combat in Korea. He said he thought that the M1 carbine was the best gun ever made. "saved a lot of lives" he said. One of the biggest qualities was it was very handy and quick to deploy when surprised by the enemy.
Mr. Harrell drops more credible knowledge in 30 minutes than most channels drop in 30 hours. Thank you for your particular brand of education and thank you for your service. *edited for spelling
FINALLY some justice for the M1Carbine! My father served in the US Army during the Korean War, and credits this rifle with saving his life. When he came home, He purchased one immediately. He harvested a Six Point white tail deer with it ( tho he wound up bow hunting more often as Years went by) . At 88 years of age, He still owns it to this day - and he still swears by it !
My grandfather was 82nd Airborne WWII , he carried a M1 Carbine starting in Sicily til wars end. He said he killed many a German with it and if used at 150 yards or less it did just dandy. I got my M1 Carbine too late for my granddad to see it for he passed in 1996.
@@kevspicer Great point Kevin, the M1 carbine was for people who didnt need a Garand but the 1911 wasn't enough. That has been stated repeatedly everywhere.
The stories of Carbines not penetrating thick North Korean and Chinese winter coats are BS. The M1 Carbine is more than capable. Theres a reason why Audie Murphy had more kills with a carbine than any other weapon.
I had a copy of The Coldest Winter at my parents house and fully intended to spend some time there reading it and asking my father questions about it , he told me a great deal about the war but i wanted to know more being a history buff .I never got that time because we lost him October 22 of this past year .He carried the exact same rifle ; he wrapped it in with his jacket to keep it warm ,no freeze jam .It seems I've inherited the m1 he's had for about 25 years .please forgive me if i give unsolicited cliche advice ,but if there are any books you want to read with him etc etc .Tend to it if you can .God bless you and your father. ,he was in a group of men who gave so much and got so little recognition and of course they never expected any they just did there duty . "walk the line "
The only gun I owned for a long time was a M-1 Carbine I inherited. It was used by my great grandfather in ww2 in Okinawa. Great piece of history and even greater to discover its relevance even today. Thanks Paul.
One thing that few people talk about is how ergonomic the M1 Carbine is. I shot a friend's M1 Carbine alot many years ago and I remember it as one of the most comfortable rifles that I've ever shot. It felt like an extension of my body. I also shot very accurately with it at 100 yards. No problems at all and with very pleasant recoil. Over it was a joy to shoot and had no reliability problems. If I could afford one, I'd feel completely comfortable using an M1 Carbine as a dual purpose home defense and medium game hunting rifle especially with the more modern ammunition developed for it. But instead, I went with an tiny AR pistol in 5.56mm as it was less than half the price and more versatile.
@alfred bester yup a .306 will cut people in half . if you seen what it does to a deer, imagine how a person would be affected. deer are way tougher (relatively speaking) and they drop like potatoes
People often forget that the M-1 carbine was a compact rifle for rear area troops, officers and was essentially a pistol replacement. Not a main combat rifle.
Classic mission creep. SInce it was lighter and handier, everyone wanted one, even if it was not the most appropriate tool for the job. So it made it's way into the hands of riflemen who were trying to make it do what an Garand could do.....which a carbine is going to fail every time. But in a close range fight (like in the jungle or in urban areas), it's short frame and high magazine capacity was perfect.
@@dwwolf4636 Spitzer bullet wouldn't change much ballistically unless they lightened the weight of the bullet and increased the velocity as well.....which would essentially turn it into something like 5.56mm....
@@drtidrow yes and no. It much better range and punch than a Thompson, but since it was so light and had such high rate of fire, was much harder to control on full auto.
"Did he upload six videos, or only five? In all the confusion he probably lost count* himself. So, ask yourself, 'Do you feel lucky?'" *Whether it's shots fired, or vids uploaded, PH would never lose track.
I was recently in the market for a lever gun, I looked at several Henry rifles, they might have been quality at one time but all I've seen of the modern interpretations I wouldn't use as a doorstop.
I had a Henry 22lr pump with the round barrel and it was the worst gun Ive had. Only worked with certain brands of ammo, hard to pump, slamfiring with out the trigger being touched, and unlocking from firing a couple times. Was very accurate though. Henry is just ERMA from Germany renamed and moved state side. It has no roots in the US
My father was a gunner on a bomber in North Africa in WWII. He was issued a M1 carbine and a 1911. He said those weapons were issued to non-frontline personnel in case some of the enemy broke through the lines or strayed into the compound. He said he felt comfortable with both weapons. But, he came from a generation/time where you didn't waste ammo. You hunted or ate salads. You went out with 10 rounds and you came back with a round/animal ratio that evened out. I wish I had asked more questions.
Paul, one other thing very few people fail to mention as to why the M1 Carbine was thought to be under powered was because they were compared to the M1 rifle and 1903A3 rifle in 30-06 cal..... This is not a true comparison of this feisty little weapon. The M1 carbine was to be issued to soldiers in place of the 1911 45 cal. pistol, to soldiers who didn't usually carry a rifle because of their job..... Like cooks, truck drivers, medics etc. etc. to give them extra fire power and easier hit potential at close to medium combat ranges, say 25 yds to 100 yds where the 1911 pistol is more difficult to engage with for most people..... When compared with that as well as the 38 revolver the M1 Carbine is a substantial increase in fire power and really only came up short to the M1 Rifle at longer ranges past 200 yds.... Ranges I might add that weren't as common to engage with especially for REMF's anyway......
This is an excellent comment addressing the most overlooked and important aspect of the M1 Carbine's undeserved bad rap. It was never supposed to be a replacement for the battle rifles of its time, but instead an intermediary weapon for those who wouldn't be carrying said battle rifles in the first place!
@@PassDaMethod My uncle was on Iwojima. Story is that the soldiers there really preferred the M1 because it was so highly maneuverable in cramped quarters like tunnels. As PF pointed out, different tools for different purposes. Also, don't forget the social perception factor. Having to defend yourself with Grandpa's old WWII rifle will get you looked at a whole lot differently than the deadly AR15 that has become so vilified in the public understanding.
@@duenor My uncle fought on Saipan and Okinawa. His preference was the Garand simply because he trusted it to be able to drop a charging Japanese soldier full of sake better than the Carbine. He knew other Marines that preferred the Carbine for the compactness and light weight - like you say, tunnel rats have different needs. My uncle was a wee bit too large for that duty at 6'6" lol.
My dad bought an M1 carbine from Montgomery Wards for $62 before I was born, and I still have it today. It is my second favorite rifle for plinking after my 10/22. It's easy to handle and just plain fun to shoot.
Who made it? I still think it's cool some of them were manufactured by the Rock-o-la juke box company and say that on the barrel or receiver or wherever!
If I remember correctly Underwood typewriter co. was involved in manufacturing them as well. I may be mistaken I do know there were about 5-6 different companies who made parts. You’re right it’s really interesting who was involved in that.
As a M-1 carbine owner for over 30 years I have found the only problem with reliability is poor fitting magazines. After filtering out the mags that fit poorly, I have enjoyed a lot of "reliable " target shooting. As always, thank you for the fun presentation.
When I was a kid I was looking at one in a store window, being used to looking a bigger rifles I said to my Dad a W.W. 2 Vet “ that doesn’t look very big” and my father said it was “big enough to do the job” . I have always like these rifles.
Cerberus 7.62 M1 carbine reminds me of the Ruger 10/22. Light weight and hardly no recoil. I could carry that gun all day and not feel weighted down at all.
OMIFRIGGINLORD!!!... I should NOT have watched this episode just a few days following abdominal surgery. Paul's discussion of the suicide of his Henry carbine had me in tears, from both the humour AND the pain of laughing so hard...
I was 21 years old when I got my M1 Carbine. Bought it from a guy who used it for hunting for a whopping $200 dollars. He had modified it to take a scope but I plan on keeping the thing until I die. It is my go-to rifle if I am on the mountain around my house. I removed the scope and now I am trying to find a bayonet to go on the bayonet lug. I really enjoyed this video, so I subscribed you. Thank you for your service and I hope to see many more videos from you!
I'm watching this looking at my M1 carbine that I paid a whopping $100.00 to a coworker to get. That and $65.00 for an Enfield 303 were my best gun purchases.
@@chainsawschopshop6607 It's his earplug case. Probably milsurp 80's era. They're great because they're an olive-drab plastic case with a short metal chain like the ones that come with your dogtags you can attach to a button hole. After your earplugs wear out or get lost, just refill them with whatever 3M makes now.
@@namyun2743 I just saw an ad on some cable station for double-ended military issue ear plugs well you can have a class action lawsuit against 3M. I guess they didn't work so hot.
Just came back to this to see some comparisons of the 357 from a rifle to the 30 carbine. Your thorough investigation is always a breath of fresh air Paul.
Leigh Rich speaking of! I got to shoot a M2 carbine. Very fun gun to shoot in full auto! If you pulled the trigger fast enough you can get 3 to 4 rd burst.
"The irony is the M1 carbine was probably one of the bigger influences in moving to smaller lighter faster bullets like the 5.56mm M193" I highly doubt that. The .30 Carbine cartridge uses the same diameter bullet (.308") that the U.S. military had already been using for the past 46 years (starting with the .30-40 Krag in 1892). And while the bullet was lighter than the bullets used in the .30-40, .30-03, and .30-06, it was also a lot slower. So how could a same-diameter, lighter, slower bullet be "one of the bigger influences in moving to smaller lighter faster bullets"?
My Father was issued a M1 cabine in the Army and swore by its accuracy and ease of use! He said so many wanted to trade their m14s for carbines due to the weight alone
I'm from Germany, when our Bundeswehr was founded after WWII, most of our equipment came from the United States. A former neighbor served as one of the first recruits in the late 1950's he was equiped with a M1 Carbine with a bayonet lock. I read that bayonet locks were introduced after WWII, he told me his rifle had about a dozen of scratches on his butstock, so he think it was used in Korea, and it's owner had several hits with it. He liked his Carbine, it was handy, he was an engineer and had to drive a Caterpillar. A M1 Garand wasn't Handy enough to take it with him on his machine. He later became a Sergeant and get a FN FAL, and later a G3. He always says that he would prefer the FN or the G3 when the soviets would attack, but he prefer his Carbine for carrying with him on work
Don't believe those long and "generous" comment "stories":)) because most of them are fairy tales. Somehow no one considers 7.62x25 tokarev round inadequate, quite the opposite, everyone says it is powerful, while twice more powerful .30carbine round with 1300 J energy suddenly not powerful for them:):):).. .30 carbine round is exactly in between AK47 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 tokarev, and that makes M1 Carbine round very powerful.
*its day and its job It’s is not possessive, but a contraction for it is. Didn’t want to go all grammar police, but twice in the same sentence bugged me too much. 😬
I agree it was ideal for the intended role. It was never intended as a front line battle rifle. I am led to understand it was issued to troops such as supply line crews that needed something stowable, light and maneuverable but more effective than sidearms.
@@rwcraver Originally, it's role was meant to be exactly what you think. However, due to its superior ballistics and lighter weight (when compared to the Thompson), the M1 was frequently issued to officers, NCOs, and paratroopers as well. So it saw quite a lot of frontline combat. Even more so in Korea where it's other two variants (the select-fire M2 and the IRNV-equipped M3) were issued in larger numbers than they were in WW2 (being developed near the war's end). The gun was also used heavily by the troops of the ARVN in Vietnam where it was popular mainly because of the shorter stature of the Vietnamese.
I have always thought it was a nice handy little rifle. I would the negative reputation the carbine has with some people comes from them having unrealistic expectations about it.
I purchased mine in the early 90's. Always reluctant to purchase one, as I also believed it was underpowered. Thought of it as a pop gun. Today, my wife is an avid shooter prefers it over an AR. She now calls it "her" gun. She has been shooting it now for about 5 years and consistently gets a 5 inch group at 100 yds, standing.
Whichever way you look at it, a 110 grainer at 1850 feet per second isn't going to do anyone any _good,_ is it? There was undoubtedly a lot of BS talked about the M1 carbine. Personally I think it has great merit, and it's probably the closest thing there is to a general purpose rifle.
Thank you for the video on the M1 Carbine. In 1962 while stationed in Korea, I was issued the M2 Carbine. I was required to qualify on the range with the Carbine. The range had a series of random pop-up targets from 25 to 300 yards. I only missed two 300 yard targets and set a range record for the M2 Carbine! The Carbine will sure as hell shoot.
this video is a great practical application video to watch next to forgotten weapons video "Ken Hackathorn on the M1 Carbine: Reputation vs Reality " gun is very historically cool, performance is relative to time it was designed for and who it was designed.
My favorite thing about my M1 Carbine is that it’s FUN to shoot. Light, low recoil, accurate... I have a small handful of guns, all with different purposes. The M1 Carbine doesn’t fit any of those purposes better than other guns I have, except for the sole purpose of having fun at the range. And it’s a gun that both me and my 10 year old enjoy equally.
@@alanbud5181 when I bought my Carbine, it came with an old ammo can full of ammo. Just over 1100 rounds and 5 good functional magazines. This was around 10 years ago when ammo wasn’t quite as bad as it is now. I have purchased around 500 more rounds through the years and probably only shot 300-350 through it. So I still have a healthy stockpile of ammo.
You've never experienced loud until you shoot that round out of a Blackhawk. Wear plugs and muffs neither is enough alone. In tx we don't wear thick coats. M1. Carbine is my truck gun
A high school friend of mine, who was awarded two Purple Hearts in Vietnam, said he got rid of his M16 for a M1 Carbine as soon as he could. He said he much preferred it in the bushes due to it's size and ease of handling. He said that "they" were having a lot of reliability issues with the M16, also.
@@Birdy890 Ammo was a culprit, but so was magazines. Big issue was that the M16 was designed and adopted around one loading, and then the specs for the ammo was changed without anybody consulting anyone about anything regarding the rifle, it was just done as if it couldn't have had consequences. The new spec was more powerful, but that also reflected on operation, the cyclic rate of the M16 was upped by ~200rpm due to this change, which is NOT a good thing, not for any rifle. This caused lots of timing problems such as failure to extract because chamber pressure was still too high (usually by the extractor slipping off the rim, but sometimes tearing off part of it, or the entire bottom of the cartridge, NOT a fun malfunction to deal with even on a range), or the disconnector not behaving properly and the hammer following the bolt, leading to light strikes. This isn't to mention the wear problems this accelerated rate of fire caused. The solution to this problem was to make the recoil buffer heavier, which slowed down the RPM to normal and made the gun itself behave like it should, this would be standard on the M16A1 and all rifles and carbines since. The second really big problem was the magazines, someone, somewhere, had the bright idea that the M16 should have disposable magazines, that you would treat them like clips, just abandon them in the field, thus the magazines were made as cheap as possible and calculated in their manufacture to only have to last for 20 loaded rounds ever, loaded at the factory. This REALLY didn't work logistically and people were quickly finding themselves having to reuse these magazines anyway, otherwise they would have no magazines at all, and this of course lead to a lot of feeding problems, especially in combination with the overcranked action running too fast. This idea was soon enough abandoned and a new spec for the 20rd aluminum magazines were made, properly reusable. Some people say the problems were from a lack of cleaning, as people were told the rifle didn't need it and weren't even issued equipment for it. This hardly carries any of that burden, the M16, though maybe not as tolerant to filth as the fabled Kalashnikov, still is one of the rifle designs which handles it better than most. Nonetheless, the M16A1 would include a cleaning kit stored inside the stock, a useful addition for sure. The bore and chamber would also be chrome lined, to improve the barrel's lifespan and make it easier to clean, this also made extraction even more reliable. The M16 had some problems, but basically all of them were fixed with the M16A1, and the biggest problems couldn't really be attributed to the M16 itself as much as circumstances around it.
Copperhead Sutton . I suggest you all read “The Black Rifle” byStevens and Ezell, and also do some independent research. The original AR15, as designed by Stoner, had unlined bores, but they functioned flawlessly. Why were the early Colt manufactured versions so scored, by the troops? Simple. Quality control, or lack there of. Colt simply could not keep-up contractural obligations and maintain quality. Failure to extract/ stuck cases, in chambers were the most common critical malfunction. Yes, early ammo was dirty, due to the flash suppressant added to the powder. And chamber pressure issues with the ball powder, was realized. But, rough and undersized chambers (due to worn reamers?) were the main problem. Some wise armorers (and more than a few Vietnamese gunsmiths) would would hone and polish the chambers, solving the problem. When, enough complaints forced congress to consider revoking Colts contract, Colt cleaned up its act. The chrome lined chamber and bore of the A1, solved the vast majority of problems. I was in Nam 69-70, was issued a M16A1. Never had an issue, but I never had to drag it through a rice paddy. Just my dos centavos.
It was actually a mercy (or pity) killing. But in reality, the M16 (being a highly dangerous assault rifle) acted of it's own accord and with total impunity [and disregard for all existing Gun Control laws], murdered Henry.
@@nikolausphillips 5% of UK pop is Muslim, most born here for multiple generations, most guns are banned due to a school shooting by a white guy in Scotland (Muslim pop 1.45%) , go boil your head you racist git.
@@cirian75 imagine how frail the gun "rights" have to be so they're taken away because of one psychopath that doesn't even equal 0.01% of gun owners in the country. But it's better to call people "racist" than to think logically instead of emotionally. Britain is heading in a great direction with its no-go zones, muslim child "grooming" gangs and imprisoning people for comments in the internet.
@@EnclaveTrooper1 There are No gun "rights" in the UK unless You include the right to apply for a licence and be investigated , then a licence may be granted (if You pass their criteria ) then You have the right to be visited (without need of a warrant ) by the Police at any time they feel the need to "Check " Your firearms and the storage of them all comply with the law and are secured correctly , failure to comply Will result in the loss of the licence , Your firearms , and a potential for criminal charges . Even 16 joule / 12 ft/lbs air weapons are restricted though as yet unlicenced though Politicians have discussed it and in Scotland it is the law that air weapons are licenced , the penalties for misuse or illegal ownership carry the same penalties as those for any other firearm .
Thanks for sharing this great video Paul. After personally witnessing several deer taken with one shot kills with the M1 Carbine, I decided a long time ago that it didn't deserve the bad rap it had. I'll be the first to admit, shot placement and practice, is critical along with the proper ammo. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. Thanks. Stan
libertarian45 yet a recent American Rifleman article on WW2 small arms passes over the M1 carbine with some anecdotal remark by some grumpy old man from the Korean war that shoots at a fleeing communist prisoner and smashes his carbine on a rock calling it a “piece of junk”. But, like you, I’d believe Audie Murphy before grumpy stories from a lazy article
Not to mention when Ian from forgotten weapons did a interview with a guy. (can't remember the name) The man stated from a dutch farmer that when the Germans had American POW's in one area and weapons piled up in another area the Germans picked thru all the weapons for M1 carbines. After the Americans beat back the Germans and the roles reversed (german POW's and weapons piled up in another area) the american troops picked thru all the german weapons for pistols. Edit** Ken Hackathorn is the man Ian from Forgotten weapons was interviewing who shared the story of the dutch farmer.
Wasn't Murphy on the shorter side? I could easily see why he'd prefer the M1 over the longer and heavier Garand. It was popular amongst soldiers in the ARVN for the same reason.
Mag dump a Garand and a M1. Then tell me which you like better. And which actually hit the target. Make it multiple mag dumps. Oh, and how's your thumb afterwards.
My father bought an M1 carbine from the civilian marksmanship program, delivered for less than 20 dollars in 1962. He found he didn't like it, so when I turned 11, I 'inherited' it for hunting purposes. It was General Motors, Inland Division, manufactured during WW2. It had no bayonet mount. I used 15 round magazines in the rifle, exclusively, except for one magazine which my father cut down to 4 rounds for California hunting regulations. Yes, with a hacksaw…it worked fine. The gun never jammed on me, to my own and my father's surprise, though I think I only fired about 350 rounds through it in 15 years. For one reason or another I didn't reload for that caliber, so ammo was very pricey. I always knew the velocity was between 1850 and 2000 fps, but I have actually seen it listed in the 1300 ft range, that typo must have spread pretty wide LOL. I used Norma soft nose for hunting, and any ball ammo I could get, usually military surplus, for practice. My carbine, in my hands, was remarkably accurate. Might have been just the rifle, might have been just one of those perfect fit things. I could shoot a Starling in the air. I did it three times on bets with family members. Of course we were usually using 410 and 16 gauge for pest bird control. I shot Jackrabbits in the head, but they were always standing still, usually at about 100-125 feet. Jacks will run when you flush them, circle, and then stop before rising up to see if you are chasing them… I used a 22 rifle for most of them, the carbine was more a 'why not?' sort of thing you do as a kid. That short gun got me out of trouble three times, only once necessitating warning shots. I lived 2 hours from any possible police presence. In ten years I saw two police cars… both times the sheriff picking up dead bodies, yes that was years ago. You pretty much were on your own. I read an article in Shooters Bible that wrote about how poor a stopper the M2 (full auto) carbine was in real life. Not against humans, against small deer in Germany during the occupation. That combined with the poor results I had gotten from shooting coyote's center mass made me very worried about the stopping power of the carbine cartridge. I felt that if I could reload it to above 2200 fps it might be adequate, or if I was sure I would make perfect shots even frightened, I think I would still have the rifle as it shot and felt like it had been made for me. I sold it, bought a Mini 14, because while everyone told me that while the 5.56 sucked, it didn't suck quite as bad as the 30 carbine round. I miss that carbine, but I hope it ended up as someone's collector rifle as it was still very nice when I sold it.
that deer thing is an absolute lie. ive killed HOGS with a 30 carbine, and it blew a fist sized hole through them(with softpoints). i bet they were using fmj rounds. even a 30-06 fmj would have a hard time killing animals.
lucas trask I've got the same gun. Mine was made in 7/45. They're nice built guns. I shot the M2 carbine my friend owns. Talk about a fun gun to shoot. Lite gun in full auto loves to lift up if you aren't ready for it. It was my first time shooting anything in full auto. Never will forget that.
@@nichevo1 Dang, you are the first person to get the connection... I read the novel in Analog in the 60's, still have the four part serial in my collection.
Hi, yes, of course they were using fmj military ammo... and yes, I shot a jack with three fmj 7.92 rounds from a 98 Mauser... after three hits it fell over... so yes, I probably would have been OK with the Norma soft nose. But I couldn't be sure, and so I switched to a 6.5 Swedish Mouser. It did fine.
I've watched this a 2nd or 3rd time as well as Lucky Gunner's videos, because I am an M1 Carbine fan. It is gratifying to learn it is not as weak as other people make it to be. In fact it worked along side M16 back in the day. I have a 1942 Inland which has been refurbished by Fulton Armory. No issues on reliability there except as you say watch the mags and ammo you use. Have a recent production from Auto Ordnance, which initially had lots of problems but they fixed all the issues at no charge and now works like a charm. For enthusiasts who don't mind spending for 5.7X28 ammo, the premium for 30 carbine ammo is really not that much. The main thing is utility, reliability and confidence that it works when you need it. Oh and about shooting beyond 100, not worried, never had the skill to reach out that far in any consistent manner. However if I really have to, then it'll be the M1 Garand. Thank you very much, I was one of those that requested this review and I really enjoyed it.
Most critics of the M1 Carbine forget or ignore why it was created. It was meant to replace the pistol for front line officers and NCOs, rear echelon troops and troops on crew served weapons where carrying a full sized rifle would be cumbersome or impracticable. It was meant to be an early form of PDW to effectively engage threats ot to 250 yards. The magazine is the weakness link of the rifle. 15 rounders are mostly good. 30 rounders, on the other hand, unless they are genuine USGI are mostly junk and in my opinion should be loaded to 20 - 25 rounds. As far as it not being effective during the Korean conflict, the sad truth is, in my opinion is they missed the target. Especially if they were firing on full auto. In my opinion if properly employed, it is an excellent home defense weapon.
My uncle was a grunt who was wounded at Bastogne and when he was shopping for a camp gun for family protection, M1 was the only gun he considered...good enough for me
Used to get deer with one when i was a kid, i took many. I've got an old Iver Johnson m1 & one made by Universal. My father was in ww2 & spoke highly of the m1 carbine. Awesome video Sir, thank you. 🇺🇸♥️
Excellent presentation, thank you for your time posting this content. I remember reading the Jim Cirillo book, the 30 Carbine was the only 1 shot stop firearm his unit used. With the right ammunition it can do quite well.
Excellent video. Having several carbines over the years, I have found another common cause for reliability is worn recoil springs. Easy to fix. Thank you for the video.
At the shooting range/gun store where I worked in the early- to mid-1990's we had a customer who had his 1911 empty the magazine on him. Firing pin broke and the tip jammed protruding from the slide. That and high/sensitive primers is about the only way a 1911 can go full-auto unless modified to do so intentionally.
My father has an M1 Carbine, and when I was a kid, it was one of the most accurate peep site guns I've ever shot. Thanks for bringing back those memories. I know the M1 Carbine is a great gun!
Hello Mr. Harrell I’m a big fan of your videos and really appreciate the information you provide. As a fairly new gun enthusiast I really appreciate the variety in your content.
My father was a WW2 Marine in the Pacific. He was a second or third wave guy and was usually a whopping 100 yards behind the front (Supply). His war stories never included shooting his M1 carbine. They did, however, include being shot at by snipers, strafed by aircraft, shelled by Japanese ships, and being mortared. He liked the size and weight but never spoke about its effectiveness. In his 80's he wished he could get another one when he got too old to carry his deer rifle.
Thank you for your decent review of the US Carbine, Cal 30, M1. I first fired the carbine as a Cadet in Civil Air Patrol in 1956, then later qualified with it in USAF Basic Training. I have always loved it, always wanted one, and finally purchased one several months ago. (yes, cost too much!) Mine is not a military-owned piece, but is a commercial Auto Ordnance carbine. It is a really nice carbine and functions just fine. It is also my most fun gun to shoot. I reload for it and get velocities right at 1990-2015 fps using Lil Gun behind 110 grain round nose soft points. I usually fire at 100 yards using tactical targets and can keep all rounds center of chest with no trouble. I did replace the original sight with an adjustable ramp- style sight. I love this little gun! Oh- throw away those 30-round mags with the bolt hold-open configuration. I think the bolt slamming into the sharp metal edge on the follower can't be a good thing and surely will eventually damage the mag or the bolt. Again, thanks for a really nice review.
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This video deals primarily with the power/use of the rifle. If you want to hear more about the history of the rifle, Lucky Gunner just published a good video on the subject.
I saw a M-1 Carbine revolver at a pawn shop. Pretty cool gun.
What was the name of the bullets with the highest velocity?
@@fatalthoughts5574 Hornady custom ammo Had the highest velocity (7:20)
@@PaulHarrell thanks! I'm gonna pick up a few boxes, my grandpa just gave me his m1 carBEAN and I love it.
I would love for you or lucky gunner to do a “philosophy of use” (dicky nutn fancy term - sorry) comparison with the 1911 and the M1 Carbine! Please?
Paul uses Burnese and Irish Wolfhounds as his primary dogs but I suspect he has a Chihuahua in an ankle holster for backup.
@Ellison Rodgers I agree on the terrier ferocity. I had a Cairn as a kid and she would have stood between me and a charging bull. But you can't beat a huahua for concealment.
@Ellison Rodgers My primary is a GSD, but my throwaway is a Jack Russell...
Let's wait until we see the results from the meat target tests! My money's on the miniature Schnauzer!
@@frankmartin6811 Actually, it's Berner Sennen. Bernese mountain dog is just you 'muricans giving it your own name =D
@@lupusdeum3894 the jack Russell's are a bit too snappy for me such bitches to control well half of them anyway.
I was issued the M1 Carbine when I was promoted to Sergeant in 1962 Korea. I had to qualify with my new issue (to me) M1 Carbine. I reported to the range that (as I recall) consisted of pop-up targets at various ranges all the way to 300 yards. I was the only shooter on the range; the Range Officer told me, "Don't even bother with the 300 yard targets, it won't even shoot that far." Really? I missed the first two 300 yard targets, then got the rest. I set a new range record for the M1 Carbine that day! Those two 300 yard targets were my only misses. Thank you for your review.
Most failure that occurs in our lives is a result of not trying in the first place.
Thank you for your service Sir!
@Greg Daweson......Those are some wise words to live by my friend. 👍
@Hal Longworth.......Damn glad you proved him wrong! God speed.
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I know I’m late to the party on this video. For what it’s worth, my father is a US Marine Corps Korean war veteran. When I was a newbie shooter I also considered the 30 carbine under powered and was having this discussion with my father. He looked at me and said “I never had anyone I shot with one say that.” Discussion over.
My grandfather was in Europe in WW2, and he said he got his hands on a Carbine as soon as he could. Lighter, 15 rounds, less recoil. He was in the Infantry, and he said they were some of the most popular guns because especially late in the war when it became more urban fighting in German towns, you wanted something light maneuverable, high capacity but still packed a punch. The M1 Carbine and the M3 Grease Guns were more popular than anything else
your dad's pretty based
I am also very late to the party on this video and your comment but to add a different perspective, my grandfather was a trooper in the 1st Cavalry Division and fought across the Pacific, eventually being seriously wounded at Luzon in the Philippines. He was one of the soldiers that did not like the carbine and instead much preferred either the M1 Garand or the BAR because he did believe the M1 carbine to be underpowered. What is interesting though is that, his belief that it was underpowered didn't have anything to do with how many hits it took to drop someone with the carbine. Rather, it was that the carbine would be defeated by many of the small and medium sized trees in the Pacific that the Japanese would take cover behind. He said with an M1 Garand or a BAR, you could shoot through the tree and still reliably knock down the man taking cover behind it.
Anyone who grew up with a .30-06 M1 would most likely have a opinion that the M1 Carbine was a less powerful round. That is to be expected. But, in real sense, a 110 grain round at 1950 foot per second is no slouch. It was designed as a less powerful round for a reason. More then a handgun, less then a full battle rifle. People should get that through their brain.
@ kevinuspa9353 - Your father's experiences aren't all that surprising when you consider that the 30-Carbine 110-gr. load duplicates or even surpasses (depending on range) the ballistics of a 357 Magnum handgun round as fired out of a handgun. And the 357 Magnum, firing 125-gr. HP loads, is known in the LE community as a potent fight stopper... and has been for many years.
The 30 Carbine cartridge is "under-powered" only in reference to traditional bottle-necked full-sized rifle cartridges like 30-06... but that wasn't what the Carbine or its ammo was designed to replace or supplement. Instead, it was intended to give greater range/striking power to troops whose primary weapon had previously been a sidearm such as the M1911 pistol.
Our family lost an uncle on my wife's side a few years back, a decorated Korean War veteran of the U.S. Army, an infantryman who had seen a lot of action against Chi-Com forces in 1950-1951, before being seriously wounded and ultimately sent home after a period of recovery and limited duty in Japan. If your dad was a Marine, well, he deserves all of the credit and praise in the world. Those guys sure earned their pay in Frozen Chosin and in the Pusan Perimeter, and places like that.
If I had it to do over again (I'm an old man now), I'd join the Corps out of school. After 9-11-01, I tried to become a FMF Corpsman, since I am a medic in civilian life, but I was a year over the age cutoff and couldn't get in. Given how things ended in the 'Stan, maybe that's a blessing in disguise, but I do regret not being able to save some Marines' lives.
All I need to know about the effectiveness of the M1 carbine is that Audie Murphy preferred it as his personal weapon.
Fun fact I live less than a mile from where he died
In Simi Valley Calipornia there is an establishment called Lock, Stock and Barrel. They sell firearms on consignment via one or two auction sites. Maybe about five years ago or more, they received an M1 Carbine from a deceased man's son to auction off. Turns out this firearm was originally owned by Audie Murphy. Lt. Murphy gave it to the since deceased man in the early 60's, in the Los Angeles area, because the Lt. was concerned for the man's safety, as there were some riots occurring in the area. Audie Murphy sent him some ammo along with the rifle, and a letter offering him the rifle with an explanation why. The man never fired the rifle. It was in the same condition when put up for auction as when it was first given to Audie's friend. The winning bid was $10,000.00.
I’m 8 months late but I couldn’t agree more. A carbine with a few mags, some grenades and a ma’deuce were what earned him his CMOH
@@jlsgarage872 didn't he die against the side of a mountain in Craig County Virginia? I reckon you and me share the same cloud cover.
@@wk3818 access to the road up to where he is is in roanoke county I know that much
I would never skip ahead. Paul could easily explain how paint dries while watching paint dry and it would be interesting and educational.
...but THIS paint brush just fits my HAAANNNDD better....
You didn't see that episode??
@@lostpyper Is there some ongoing inside joke about "fitting my hand better" that I missed?
@@jjohnston94 In some older videos, Paul would use that as a tie-breaker, or justification for why he personally preferred one firearm over another, whether or not it was more popular or thought to be better. His phrasing is so damn iconic and humorous that it became a thing.....
But because Paul’s videos are so through and detailed, the trust in him allows you to skip to the end to get the final verdict without reservation.
"You may notice that my military-based anecdotes are short, infrequent, and boring. That's because they're true."
This is why I watch these videos.
It is crazy how many embellish or just 100% fabricate.
My dad who was in the military (drafted) likes to say, "war stories are like hunting and fishing stories, you gotta take a few feet of the fish"
Bullseye.
His candour has earned him a bunch of new subs, I suspect. +1
@@22RyuHi The way I heard it, the fish gets bigger every time they tell it.
Every time Paul says he could go on for hours talking about a certain subject I think. "Yes by all means, please do"
I wish I could like this comment more than once!
Anchor Bait , I thought the same.
Amen... Facts separated by opinion by the guy talking... Paul should release a video everyday at 4:55 so we can make it through a news break without being lied to.
I want him to go on for hours,
Yeah, I always feel a little cheated when he doesn't.....
"You could find Garands, Tommy guns, Mausers, burp guns (MP 42....) and other guns laying on the ground after a battle. You never found a Carbine." What my Grandfather told me when I asked him about the rifle.
What's an MP42?
@@counterfeit1148 its supposed to be a MKB 42 a predecessor to the STG 44
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maschinenkarabiner_42(W)
@@jerrysmooth24 the gun he is referring to, the original commenter, is the ppsh-41 which is the burp gun, and the gun you linked did not se any type of service in WW2
@@danielhall6578 You sure about that there mate? The MKb 42 would be refined into the MP43 which would later be dubbed the STG44 which was the first widely deployed "assault rifle" (And source of the term, a phrase coined by Adolf himself actually). While you could argue the MKb itself likely saw little usage, but you could say the same about the AK-47 as practically all AK platform rifles in usage are based on the AKM which was a refined version of the OG AK-47. If you want to be hyper-pedantic you can make the claim the AK-47 saw almost no combat deployment much like the MKb-42, but if you aren't so pedantic you'll recognize the fact that the mass production versions of each saw quite a lot of service.
It is erroneous to refer to the MKb-42 as a "burp gun" but it is just as much so to claim it didn't see any type of service.
@@counterfeit1148 Guarantee he meant a MG42.
I served in Korea 1985-1986. The ROK reserves had carbines...and they liked them. I’ve spoken to a number of vets who used it IN COMBAT. Korea and WW2 and even in the early days of Vietnam...they all said it was “ Good to Go”.
The magazines were known to be on the cheap side...but American logistics allowed them to be swapped out easily. As for under loading magazines. YES l did and still do. We loaded 28 rounds in our magazine in the DMZ and l loaded 18 rounds in my 20 round magazines as well.
This was passed down to me by NCOs who had been IN COMBAT. Where it counts.
I never tire of Mr. Harrell or his videos. I am somewhat disturbed by the comments made by the individual who criticized your facial expressions and then went on to call your decorations fake...and to criticize your marksmanship...well...just plain ludicrous.
Please continue with your videos Mr. Harrell. I appreciate getting info from a fellow infantry soldier. You definitely put the info out so that the average person can use it to their advantage. Not everyone is Special Forces....Infantry does just fine.
Thank you again.
I know with a couple handguns I've owned, downloading magazines by a round or two, makes them easier to get in, especially if you hit the slide release instead of racking the slide. Of course, this isn't under combat and is only at the range with plenty of BSing time with buddies in between shooting, so no stress at all and nothing in the dirt or muck.
But even then, if I can tell the difference on a gun that lives in the safe 99% of the time with good factory mags, I'd be willing to bet the guys carrying box magazine fed weapons for a living, damn sure could.
Mr. Z, Always interesting and informative to get real, FACTUAL info from someone with first hand experience.
Thank you, and also THANK YOU for your service and sacrifice.
Hum I have 3 M-1 Carbines and Id swear they were 30 round and 15 round mags where did you come up with a 20 rounder? Also I find that Carbines are effective in certain environments and in some such as thick jungle not as effective as a M-16 or M-14 etc,also if your in open terrain and your target is at a distance your much better off with another choice.I think thats why they regulated them to the rear with cooks and others,But in its defence when your in close quarters such as house to house fighting and other tight quarters it works very well because of its portability and the rounds are effective at short range and very accurate,Personally I like the M-1 as if your going to carry it and your ammo load 10 miles ,it sure beats carrying a Garand and the 30.06 rounds.
Very true words. I also know/knew several ww2 and Korean War vets. They all said the same thing. As long as I got a clean magazine I’d take an m1 carbine over the m1 garand. I guess the average grunt cared about weight. Lugging around an 8 shot m1 garand got heavy. I can attest to this as my dad deer hunted with an m1 garand. It is heavy, to heavy for me anyway.
It was popular in WW2. It took a bit of a hit during the Korean winters when the Chinese crossed over with their padded cold weather gear that often also included some kind of rough animal skin as a mid layer over a base layer. If you had a carbine you had to aim for the head. It simply wouldn't penetrate at all at distance. Or you scavenged for a rifle. In the mild months it was fine. I'm guessing guys had somewhat similar issues against the Germans in the winter of 1944 but it might not have been as bad as that Chinese cold weather gear.
That fella is a good man, every week he comes in and buys fruit, ribs, chops, t-shirts, blankets and soda. He must be helping the poor and homeless.
He is supporting American farmers. Kudos to him for that!
Hahahahaha! Love it!!
He probably has a nice barbecue with his range buddies after shooting.
@@LovesTrains440 What at the picnic table covered in sticky soda residue, bone shards, fruit pulp and bits of meat? Even the meat will have bits of t-shirt, fleece and insulation tape through it. I'd think twice about feeding it to a dog.
@@cunning-stunt lol for sure!
This guy is like the David Attenbourough of the Weapon Commentary World... I could listen to him all day.. discussing different types of paint and their drying characteristics.. he'd still find a way to make it informative and interesting.. no show boating here :)
Could not agree more
@Andre McGoo no u
One big advantage to the M1 Carbine is if you are in a state with some form of "assault weapons" ban, the M1 Carbine usually falls out of the ban as it is usually is missing a cosmetic feature and it is not an "AR" clone.
6 year old Paul: " Ill keep this hunters education manual for future reference to give me more data points to cut through trends and hearsay 40 years from now"
Sounds likely.
BTW. 6 year old Paul in his little hunter's jacket, pockets full of PB&J's or something. Friggin adorable.
Paul Harrel at 6 years old looked identical just scaled down
@@sawyernorthrop4078
6yo Harrel turns to other kids in the playground after giving a detailed description of how yellow and red dodge balls have little difference in trajectory and handling and says, "Folks don't try this at home, I'm what you call a perfessional..."
16:45 Most dogs lay antipersonnel "lawn mines" but that thing looks like it could stall a lawn mower.
@Marc Singleton They get a steady diet of pre-tenderized meat targets. Paul can write it off as a business expense. Plus he's gotta be real friendly with his butcher.
I laughed so hard at that comment that I had to show my bride. She laughed as well.
That big gray dog actually weighs more than I do. I am a skinny dude who has been sitting at 135 for years!
my pizza delivery guy made a plastercast footprint mold in our Doberman's land mine
Ghostus Coyote Wait till you hit 40...
Behind his stoic mask Paul rage killed a Henry rifle. I had to chuckle a bit there.
Eh, eh ,eh it was suicide and that's the story we're sticking to, right?
Yeah me too, funny moment.
trefod you can't kill a Henry
@@ViktoriousDead Ahh, yes, perhaps, but it killed itself.
I guess Paul didn't know Henry offers a lifetime warranty and free shipping both ways???
When I was a kid my dad bought a carbine through the DCM program for 25 bucks. We got some surplus ammo to try it out and my dad, me and my younger brother were able to hit a small boulder at 300 yards easily using just the iron sights set for that range. We were all impressed with it and I remain so despite the years of hearing how bad it is. My younger brother carried it and harvested several deer with it.
I love the M1 Carbine. Always have always will. I had one given to me as a gift by a WW2 D-DAY veteran. A great man and I do miss him👍🇺🇸
We will soon miss them all. Such men will not pass this way again.
@@yqwgjsg so true sir👍🇺🇸
@lahokc59 about the to say the same thing.
@lahokc59 he was indeed and it'll be cold day in Hell before I turn in that gun or any other👍🇺🇸
@@rogerhwerner6997 yes indeed and thanks 👍🇺🇸
Jim Cirillo of the NYPD stakeout squad preferred the M1 carbine over any other weapon for the type of very short range shootouts that his unit got into (and there were many). He preferred it over 12ga shotguns and 9mm subguns. He wrote that it tended to knock people down very reliably. His books are quite interesting.
The NYPD used them to great effectiveness. Remember that they were allows to use 110 JSP though
Malcom X liked it.
I had the honor of meeting Jim shortly before he passed in a traffic accident. He came to the NYPD outdoor range on a visit. One of my officers ran to the armory to get a customized S&W 9mm that he used to carry. As we handed it to him, he said, "This is my gun!". He was stunned and overjoyed at the same time. He was humble, soft spoken, humorous, and a perfect gentleman.
@@brianfurman6713 even with the original ammo it was still an effective weapon. Stories about its lack of power are from soldiers who missed their targets but didn't want to admit they missed
Rip .357 henry. Suicided by m16. WHAT a way to go. Lol. Paul you are hilarious. I like the m1carbine. Only shot it a couple times. My original thought for the "weak" ness is that it was in such close proximity to the 30.06 in history and military issue. Thanks for another great video. Now back to the rest of my day.
Reminds me of a suicide where a guy shot himself two times in the face with what i understand was a handgun.
If i remember right it was Gary Webb.
@@mrd7067 Hmmmmm, perhaps it was one of those old selective fire 1911's squeezed fully to the rear.
Paul should make a "best of" comedy video.
@@WhoWouldWantThisName
It wasn`t meant as a joke but as sarcasm.
Gary Webb was the main journalist who uncovered the cocain-weapons deals the CIA is/was involved.
Others "involved" died under suspect cirumstances too.
@@mrd7067 i don't think he thought it was a joke.
You have to appreciate the hours of work that had to go into a 38 minute video. That shows in how well it turned out. Thank you for putting in the work for us to get meaningful info and education (and entertainment).
The whole point of the M1 carbine is not as a replacement for an M1 rifle, it was designed as a replacement for the 1911 handgun.
That is a fact that is hardly ever brought up.
It was designed and deployed as such, but late in the war there was some push to have it replace the Garand as the main battle rifle
If it replaced the 1911 how was it carried? Just curious not disputing it.
@@anthonysmith3132 sling over the shoulder
@@anthonysmith3132 for backline troops. (A 1911 vs a 98K isn't exactly an amzing matchup)
In the late '50s, my dad, a WWII vet, was the range NCO of a Signal Corps unit in Germany. They were equipped with M-1 carbines and that's what a particular group of men at the range were to qualify with. I was there as a kid, sitting on bleachers behind the firing line with some other family members, to proudly observe Dad. They were getting a little practice in first and the results were not impressive. Typically, the guys were moaning about how you couldn't hit a wall with a carbine from 5 feet away, yada yada. Dad randomly snatched one away, grabbed a loaded mag, walked up to the line and began firing. As he did so, he changed position, doing a sort of a tap dance and swaying from side to side. Every shot was well into the black. He uttered some typical NCO type profanity and ordered the men back onto the line and he was soon coaching them into better shooting. Granted, these guys were Signal Corps mapmakers, printers, etc, and Dad was a combat vet as well as a member of the 7th Army pistol team, so he was well above the average skill level. As to carbine accuracy, just sayin'...
Jim Allen I had same experience when I was a Pvt. in basic training with our old worn out M16A2’s, upper and lower receivers rocked back and forth and none of us were doing very well, one day a couple drill sergeants grabbed some of our rifles, one was mine, and proceeded to shoot the black out of the paper targets while walking down the range.
@@G.Davis67 The slop between upper and lower receivers freaks a lot of new shooters out, until you realize that the sights and all the important parts are housed on/in the upper.
-- Former Navy instructor.
You be the judge
That's a great story👎
As an army veteran I got my hands on a Plainfield M1 carbine, and it was plenty accurate. Don't know if the army issue ones were any good but I'd say it was probably a good one when issued. Over time it's possible they were worn down but it's also possible that the soldiers just didn't believe in the weapon especially if they had trained on the M1 Garand
My uncle served in Korea. He always said that the "underpowered" complaints about the 30 carbine were wrong. He said that the problems with the 30 carbine were related to the extreme cold weather. He and his fellow soldiers stripped all the oil and lubricated their guns with graphite. Then they kept all their ammo under their coats. He said that if you did that, the 30 carbine did what it was supposed to do. He added that the rest of the stories were from soldiers who were used to the '06 and tried to make the carbine reach out just as far. His comments about that would be deleted.
Since then, I've read that the Korean ammo still had deterrents in the powder to prevent overpower ignition in hot weather. Hmmm - hot weather deterrents in ammo being used in minus 20F weather - seems like a recipe for problems to me.
That is a good point. I have heard several discussions about dealing with police service weapons and concealed carry in cold to below freezing conditions suggesting dry lubricants and switching to a hotter ammo to counteract the performance drop due to freezing temperatures.
I bet his comments about someone trying to stretch the carbine out to 06 ranges would teach us some new words.
If your uncle is still with us, please buy him a drink for me!
Buy your uncle another drink on me
Your average soldier isn't knowledgeable about ballistics. The 30 Carbine was designed as a personal defense weapon to surrogate for the 1911, so using it as a battle rifle is ridiculous. Concerns about temperature sensitive ammo was legitimate in the Pacific theatre in World War II, and it appears that no adjustments were made for Korea just a few years later. Not exactly an isolated occurrence in US small arms, as the initial performance of the M16 in Vietnam was hindered by using a propellant type other than what the gas system was optimized for.
In reading about the development of the M16, much testing and evaluation was conducted under Arctic conditions. This no doubt was due to the problems encountered during the Korean conflict.
My Dad was in the Army Air Force, stationed in the Azores , as part of the war against U Boats. All of sudden a rush to get everybody user friendly with the M-I Carbine came out of the blue. Apparently in responce to the German airborne assault on Crete . So air craft controllers , mechanics , cooks, all support staff needed a fast low recoil easy rifle to learn with, the M-I Carbine fit the bill in spades , better than handing everybody a Colt automatic handgun .
Paul intentionally spreads his shot groups around the bullseye ...it's boring to watch someone put every shot thru the same hole
HIS DOGGIES ARE SO CUTE!!!! SO WELL-TRAINED TOO!!!!!
I, too, like to use the whole target.. :|
So glad I found this Dr. Harrell’s channel!!!! Turley no ka oi!
I use the whole target...the target holder...the back drop...occasionally some of the atmosphere. But hey at least I'm improving. Kinda correlates with that hole in the blindfold though. Not sure.
@@richiet6381 Dr Steve Turley
My Grandfather had nothing but praise for the M1-carbine. His commanding officer, General Slim was given one as a present by "Vinegar" Joe Stillwell and Slim could see the advantages it had over the standard issue SMLE (in a jungle warfare context) right away. He made a point of procuring as many of them as he could for the troops in his command as a result.
The often derided .30 carbine round was not a shortcoming in the jungles of Burma, on the contrary, it was ideal for the close quarters fighting. The low recoil and semi auto action meant much quicker follow up shots. The rifle's small size made wielding it in a tight spot much easier and the fact that it would take a bayonet (where the next favourite weapon - the Thompson gun - would not) was useful too. The lighter ammo meant more could be carried, or that there was more spare space for Bren gun magazines or mortar rounds. In short, it was just about ideal, and my Gramps swore by his. The only shortcoming he mentioned was that the magazines were rather flimsy and had a tendency to deform easily along with weak springs. He said the 30 round mags that started to arrive later in the war were best avoided if possible but that the 15 rounders were manageable with care and regular replacement. The advantages the M1 carbine offered when up against a bolt action armed enemy at close quarters were worth the hassle the mags occasionally offered it seems.
Gramps said that an M1 carbine and a pouch of grenades became more or less standard kit as they pushed the Japanese back across Burma. I'd love one for myself, but the semi auto action makes them a no-no here.
Happy belated 4th of July by the way.
Semi auto anything is always better than bolt action. Glad he got to have the former and not the latter.
The thing with the 30rd mags is that they're designed for the M2 Carbine, the select-fire model, it had a reinforced magazine catch with better support than on the M1. You can use these magazines on the M1, but they will tend to misbehave, downloading capacity or making sure to push up on the magazine can aid (though the latter is obviously not a practical solution). The later magazine catch of the M2 model can be fitted to the M1, which should alleviate the problems.
I had heard a story from some youtube channel... that a vet had said they liked the rifles fine for certain purposes and that they would just have boxes of new mags... once they used them a bit they would just grab a few new ones so the old ones wouldn't crap out on them at the worst possible time. (because they would deform)
The preferred nomentclature is "Independence Day".
Rob Ashton; My 98 year old father-in-law passed 5 months ago. He served under General Stillwell in the CBI Theater and, he too was issued the M1 Carbine which he had high praise for. He told of using his Carbine to hunt game and provide "meats" to supplement the rations issued to them.
Throughout the 47 years I was privileged to be related to him, he owned several M1 Carbines of which he filled his Deer tags annually. Oh, he also had a customized 1917 Springfield in .30/06 that harvested some of his venison too but, his favorite, was the Carbine because it was more manageable in the close vegetation where he hunted like you mentioned above.
Thanks for sharing your relatives experiences. We don't often hear much about the CBI Theater and the men who fought there.
Again, thanks for sharing your input.
A Paul Harrell review on a milsurp? Today is a good day.
If you think this was a milsurp review, you have grossly missed the content you have been provided. This was a psychology lesson pointed at the greater portion of the internet at large more than a firearm review. That being said, the review was in there, too - and it did make for a good day.
I'd love to see him with more milsurps.
@@jong2359 - all that just to say that you agree with MR? Lol.
@@Jazzman-bj9fq a bit of a ramblin' man eh?
Jon G from “momento”? Um...
2:26
He's not calling out velocities, he's erasing those years from history.
hahahahaha...I really don't know why he feels he must turn to the camera & say the velocity after every shot. That said, I like his videos.
Damn these velocities were the best years of my life
This is one of the best comments made on one of his videos lol
@@builderbestbarn6619 I don't remember a single thing about them. Oh wait...
Don't know if I was the only one waiting for my birthday year to be called out!
I asked my dad (WW2 Vet) about the carbine being under powered. His short sweet answer was "There are thousands of dead Germans and Japanese that would disagree with that opinion".
David Burke good answer. Thanks for sharing
Bwahahhahahahah excellent!!!! Dead on the money!!!
@Det Nine Yeah, and the secret in that weapons match up was the Indians could shoot a bow faster than they could reload their muskets. It wasn't until lever action rifles we're introduced did we actually start to win the American Indian wars..
And yes you are correct. A . 22 is a very efficient weapon, and caliber to get the job done. I believe most of the underpowered talk comes from kiddies playing video games, and basing their knowledge upon what gun works the best in video gaming for dropping someone is the least amount of shots...
The main thing with me is that I couldn't stand realistic shooters because when you hit someone with a large caliber round in the chest, and they still run around like nothing happened other than their life is at 30% from 100% it is nonsense since they would of got knocked down on their ass especially if they had body armor on and the full force of the round was stopped by them and didn't pass through the body.. and their is no I'll effects from being shot in most games. And they treat smaller calibers as if they are bb guns. Like shooting someone 3-5 times with a 5.56 and the player not dying I'm like yeah ok not in this world...
I cannot wait for a realistic first person shooter that takes into account the shot placement, caliber, projectile type, and distance of the shot. Then wherever they were hit like in the arm have the player not be able to shoot using that arm. Or having to off hand a pistol after being hit In the arm till one can stop and say bandage up. But accuracy, and movement should be affected negatively from being shot... Would be an awesome game to play. That's why I love Arms 3 it's by far the most realistic in hardcore mode for fire fights, and player damage. Other than being able to be revived so much is lame..
@Det Nine figure of speech lol
I’m a simple man, Paul uploads a new video I stop everything and watch it immediately
true
same here - happy independence day
Pao emantega 🤙🏽 🇺🇸
head cinema :D
Yup
Is Paul Harrell´s the best gun channel in You Tube? Well, you´ll be the judge
Paul Harrell after sex: "So, how'd we do?"
@@dannylandrum7899 You be the judge hon.🙄
he is a good shot!
Not bad.... :)
Let's take a closer look at the target.
I had one in the 80s , never jammed with the military issue ammo , never had any magazine problems, accuracy out to 200yrds was great , this carbine did the job it was intended for ...
Yeh it replaced the 1911. And was, is, just about as accurate.
@@you_worm3340 Mechanically It's probably mildly more accurate, however it being a rifle makes it significantly EASIER to shoot accurately.
Handguns are very hard to use under stress because they're cramped and only have two contact points, rifles are bigger have the extra contact points of your shoulder and cheek which make it significantly easier to hold it stable
"Overly confident conjecture backed up by fictional data..." absolutely brilliant phrase. I am, of course, going to steal it.
@Omar
I'd rather drive.
I'd call that delusional.
You are honest enough to admit it. There are probably a lot of people that will use it and never admit where the term came from.
Another phrase for the talking version of the Paul Harrell action figure.
The problem is, I resemble that description. Wish I had a nickle for every time I opened my mouth and inserted foot.
My uncle was a scout in Patton's 3rd Army and carried an M1 carbine throughout WW2. Great video, Paul.
My great grandfather was in pattons 3rd army 6th calvary
My Grandfather was Tenth Armored if Patton's Third Army the real savior's of Bastogne
@@Vtfilamguy the 6th calvary escorted the tank divisions to bastone that's where my great grandfather got his 2nd purple heart
Thomas Edson The 101st Airborne Troops did not need saving. Just ask one!
Imagine Paul firing rounds into a time machine and turning around to yell out what year he just killed someone in
Haha
"Now there is a chance, *ableit a slight one*, that one of those bullets was the 'ghost bullet' that entered President Kennedy."
@@SpiderDevice Son of a bitch that's good
Dude he is shooting people in a 50 year range if he is......also the randomness of the readings that would be years makes it pretty hilarious those outliers in the 40s tho he killing peoples grandparents
Thank you
Paul’s grasp and command of a useful vocabulary is second to none when discussing firearms. Worth watching no matter what your understanding and experience with firearms.
Yah. caleb...listen up.
I agree it’s well structured content which sadly you don’t usualy see
Intelligent and articulate without being pompous and condescending.
I read in a military small-arms history that the M1 carbine was intended for airborne, rear echelon personnel, tank crews, artillery crews, air crews, etc., being more effective than the 1911 side arm in those applications. It’s was tendered that the acceptable level of effectiveness was more easily reached with less training compared to a pistol and certainly more effective at ranges exceeding 50 yards. The writer also asserted was the 30 carbine was never intended as a replacement for a full battle rifle. I’d say that if that was the true intent, the designers fielded a winner.
That was the intent and the rifle did deliver
They made 6 million of them for a reason, and it wasn't just that they were cheaper than the Garand & the Thompson (although they were).
The main requisite of the M1 carabine program was a weight of 5 pounds.
Yeah but they built more M1's than they did rifles and everyone in every capacity would often carry them. A rifle you can carry twice as much ammo for and this handy especially with how much smaller and less fed dudes were back then I see the carbine being a very compelling option for someone who is actually fighting as opposed to just participates in a battle on the line adding fire but not getting close.
My grandpa was issued a garand and a 1911 when he ran heavy artillery on Manilla. He traded his 1911 he had no idea how to use effectively (he said he "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it" due to no training) to a tank operator who thought it was way cooler, but their superiors quickly ordered them to trade back.
Seems a sensible order, that if the tank crew had to hop out and fight they'd have needed the superior firepower and easier accuracy in a that conveniently small package.
"Overly confident conjecture backed up by fictional data" ... in other words, bullsh#$, or the typical Internet commando "expertise". I love Paul's classy way of pointing out bullsh#$ artist behavior.
I thought everyone on the Internet was a Navy SEAL officer billionaire with 2 supermodel girlfriends? If you can't trust Internet "experts" who can you trust?
Thank you Paul for the "Fake Expert" video
We had that same expertise long before the internet. Every gunstore was a chatroom.
Kind of like the difference between a "war story" and a "fairy tail". A fairy tail starts "once upon a time" while a war story starts "this ain't no s**t gang". Learned this from an experienced NCO early in my military days.
@@michaelkidwell913 "No shit, there I was..."
@@MrOnyxRaven everyone on the Internet was a Navy SEAL officer billionaire with 2 supermodel girlfriends
No, just me.
I had a friend who saw considerable combat in Korea. He said he thought that the M1 carbine was the best gun ever made. "saved a lot of lives" he said. One of the biggest qualities was it was very handy and quick to deploy when surprised by the enemy.
And 15 or 30 round magazine, plus in ‘51 most had a selective firing choice…semi or fully auto
@@francopasta3704 I think the select fire was the M2 Carbine.
@@ericfredrickson5517 yes
Correct and M2s were few and far between. @@ericfredrickson5517
Mr. Harrell drops more credible knowledge in 30 minutes than most channels drop in 30 hours. Thank you for your particular brand of education and thank you for your service. *edited for spelling
Ain't that the truth!
FINALLY some justice for the M1Carbine! My father served in the US Army during the Korean War, and credits this rifle with saving his life. When he came home, He purchased one immediately. He harvested a Six Point white tail deer with it ( tho he wound up bow hunting more often as Years went by) . At 88 years of age, He still owns it to this day - and he still swears by it !
My grandfather was 82nd Airborne WWII , he carried a M1 Carbine starting in Sicily til wars end. He said he killed many a German with it and if used at 150 yards or less it did just dandy. I got my M1 Carbine too late for my granddad to see it for he passed in 1996.
My father was in the Seabees and had a 30 carbine on his dozer on Tinian Island.
@@kevspicer Great point Kevin, the M1 carbine was for people who didnt need a Garand but the 1911 wasn't enough. That has been stated repeatedly everywhere.
The stories of Carbines not penetrating thick North Korean and Chinese winter coats are BS. The M1 Carbine is more than capable. Theres a reason why Audie Murphy had more kills with a carbine than any other weapon.
I had a copy of The Coldest Winter at my parents house and fully intended to spend some time there reading it and asking my father questions about it , he told me a great deal about the war but i wanted to know more being a history buff .I never got that time because we lost him October 22 of this past year .He carried the exact same rifle ; he wrapped it in with his jacket to keep it warm ,no freeze jam .It seems I've inherited the m1 he's had for about 25 years .please forgive me if i give unsolicited cliche advice ,but if there are any books you want to read with him etc etc .Tend to it if you can .God bless you and your father. ,he was in a group of men who gave so much and got so little recognition and of course they never expected any they just did there duty . "walk the line "
No need to shorten your videos, I believe I speak for most of us when I say we would love to hear you speak all day.
Very true
indeed
I was sorry when this video ended so abruptly!
The only gun I owned for a long time was a M-1 Carbine I inherited. It was used by my great grandfather in ww2 in Okinawa. Great piece of history and even greater to discover its relevance even today. Thanks Paul.
Power: Let’s go crunch the numbers/ Accuracy: That one’s a flyer and that’s just me shooting offhand at 50 yards/ Relevance: You be the judge
Yabut.
One thing that few people talk about is how ergonomic the M1 Carbine is. I shot a friend's M1 Carbine alot many years ago and I remember it as one of the most comfortable rifles that I've ever shot. It felt like an extension of my body. I also shot very accurately with it at 100 yards. No problems at all and with very pleasant recoil. Over it was a joy to shoot and had no reliability problems. If I could afford one, I'd feel completely comfortable using an M1 Carbine as a dual purpose home defense and medium game hunting rifle especially with the more modern ammunition developed for it. But instead, I went with an tiny AR pistol in 5.56mm as it was less than half the price and more versatile.
Audie Murphy loved and swore by the M1 carbine. That's all I need to know.
Rapid reload in close range fighting. 100 yards or so.
He also swore by a M2 .50cal on a burning tank 😂😂
@alfred bester yup a .306 will cut people in half . if you seen what it does to a deer, imagine how a person would be affected. deer are way tougher (relatively speaking) and they drop like potatoes
@@daleeasternbrat816 not only rapid reload but quick target acquisition
Due to his size he thought he had a gull size rifle! Lol.
One of my favorite videos you’ve done. Confirmed the
M1 carbine is a great general purpose grandpa gun. Low key is good.
People often forget that the M-1 carbine was a compact rifle for rear area troops, officers and was essentially a pistol replacement. Not a main combat rifle.
Classic mission creep. SInce it was lighter and handier, everyone wanted one, even if it was not the most appropriate tool for the job. So it made it's way into the hands of riflemen who were trying to make it do what an Garand could do.....which a carbine is going to fail every time. But in a close range fight (like in the jungle or in urban areas), it's short frame and high magazine capacity was perfect.
@@armynurseboy It was close to a true intermediate cartridge. I always wondered how a spitzer bullet would perform.
@@dwwolf4636 Spitzer bullet wouldn't change much ballistically unless they lightened the weight of the bullet and increased the velocity as well.....which would essentially turn it into something like 5.56mm....
The M2 selective-fire version probably made a pretty decent replacement for the Thompson submachine gun.
@@drtidrow yes and no. It much better range and punch than a Thompson, but since it was so light and had such high rate of fire, was much harder to control on full auto.
Two Paul Harrell videos in a week? This must be my lucky day.
"Did he upload six videos, or only five? In all the confusion he probably lost count* himself. So, ask yourself, 'Do you feel lucky?'"
*Whether it's shots fired, or vids uploaded, PH would never lose track.
And a 38 minute video at that!
Great week for sure
Oh my goodness....I about fell out my chair with the commentary on the Henry rifle...😂
I do believe he found the performance of that gun to be less than satisfactory. 😉
I was recently in the market for a lever gun, I looked at several Henry rifles, they might have been quality at one time but all I've seen of the modern interpretations I wouldn't use as a doorstop.
don't know what your all talking about you obviously don't yourself oh and by the way they have side load gate now Michael Bishop
@Michael Bishop They have models with loading gate now.
I had a Henry 22lr pump with the round barrel and it was the worst gun Ive had. Only worked with certain brands of ammo, hard to pump, slamfiring with out the trigger being touched, and unlocking from firing a couple times. Was very accurate though. Henry is just ERMA from Germany renamed and moved state side. It has no roots in the US
My father was a gunner on a bomber in North Africa in WWII. He was issued a M1 carbine and a 1911. He said those weapons were issued to non-frontline personnel in case some of the enemy broke through the lines or strayed into the compound. He said he felt comfortable with both weapons. But, he came from a generation/time where you didn't waste ammo. You hunted or ate salads. You went out with 10 rounds and you came back with a round/animal ratio that evened out. I wish I had asked more questions.
I've long wished Ruger made a "1030 carbine" a 1022 platform that fired .30 Carbine. Seems like a winner to me.
How about a mini 14 in 30 carbine.
The Ruger Deerfield is probably the closest we'll ever get
It would have to be more like the mini 14, since the 10/22 is a much simpler blowback design.
Ruger did make a cool m1carbine styled 1022 tho. 1022m1
I'm kinda surprised Ruger hasn't thought of that. It would be a seller! Maybe Marlin will do a Camp-30?
Paul, one other thing very few people fail to mention as to why the M1 Carbine was thought to be under powered was because they were compared to the M1 rifle and 1903A3 rifle in 30-06 cal.....
This is not a true comparison of this feisty little weapon.
The M1 carbine was to be issued to soldiers in place of the 1911 45 cal. pistol, to soldiers who didn't usually carry a rifle because of their job.....
Like cooks, truck drivers, medics etc. etc. to give them extra fire power and easier hit potential at close to medium combat ranges, say
25 yds to 100 yds where the 1911 pistol is more difficult to engage with for most people.....
When compared with that as well as the 38 revolver the M1 Carbine is a substantial increase in fire power and really only came up short to the M1 Rifle at longer ranges past 200 yds....
Ranges I might add that weren't as common to engage with especially for REMF's anyway......
This is an excellent comment addressing the most overlooked and important aspect of the M1 Carbine's undeserved bad rap. It was never supposed to be a replacement for the battle rifles of its time, but instead an intermediary weapon for those who wouldn't be carrying said battle rifles in the first place!
@@PassDaMethod My uncle was on Iwojima. Story is that the soldiers there really preferred the M1 because it was so highly maneuverable in cramped quarters like tunnels. As PF pointed out, different tools for different purposes. Also, don't forget the social perception factor. Having to defend yourself with Grandpa's old WWII rifle will get you looked at a whole lot differently than the deadly AR15 that has become so vilified in the public understanding.
So basically like how Doug DeMuro give Doug scores to cars
@@duenor My uncle fought on Saipan and Okinawa. His preference was the Garand simply because he trusted it to be able to drop a charging Japanese soldier full of sake better than the Carbine. He knew other Marines that preferred the Carbine for the compactness and light weight - like you say, tunnel rats have different needs. My uncle was a wee bit too large for that duty at 6'6" lol.
M1 carbine was and is absolutely adequate at 300 yards. So many clueless keyboard warriors with never enough "power".
My dad bought an M1 carbine from Montgomery Wards for $62 before I was born, and I still have it today. It is my second favorite rifle for plinking after my 10/22. It's easy to handle and just plain fun to shoot.
Who made it? I still think it's cool some of them were manufactured by the Rock-o-la juke box company and say that on the barrel or receiver or wherever!
@@nessunodorme3888 Singer, a sewing machine company, also helped make components
If I remember correctly Underwood typewriter co. was involved in manufacturing them as well. I may be mistaken I do know there were about 5-6 different companies who made parts. You’re right it’s really interesting who was involved in that.
@@peternorton5648 mine is stamped with 3 of those maker's. Underwood, rock ola+ american Teletype + telegraph.
Frank Atchison oh yeah, I’d forgotten Rockola was part of that. Pretty cool.
As a M-1 carbine owner for over 30 years I have found the only problem with reliability is poor fitting magazines. After filtering out the mags that fit poorly, I have enjoyed a lot of "reliable " target shooting. As always, thank you for the fun presentation.
I am beginning to suspect that these presentations are just an excuse to shoot at pork and oranges.
He hates those cans!!! Get away from those cans!
@@nichevo1 Lol, that movie is a classic.
Orange marinated pork ribs sounds pretty good. Lead fragments might not taste that great, though...
Who needs an excuse?
Good as any other reason..
When I was a kid I was looking at one in a store window, being used to looking a bigger rifles I said to my Dad a W.W. 2 Vet “ that doesn’t look very big” and my father said it was “big enough to do the job” . I have always like these rifles.
Cerberus 7.62 M1 carbine reminds me of the Ruger 10/22. Light weight and hardly no recoil. I could carry that gun all day and not feel weighted down at all.
There is a 'that what she said' joke in there elsewhere.😉
My grandfather was a Korean War veteran he was issued an M-1 Carbine & he loved it.
he pop any zipper heads with it?
@@GZA036 Jesus, dude
@@GZA036 lol nice
OMIFRIGGINLORD!!!... I should NOT have watched this episode just a few days following abdominal surgery. Paul's discussion of the suicide of his Henry carbine had me in tears, from both the humour AND the pain of laughing so hard...
Fun drinking game: start at 2:30, take a drink every time he says a year you were alive for
"2027"
Welp, bottoms up
Winner 😎
...aaaaaand I'm drunk
now i m drunk
Note for Keanu Reeves: do not play this drinking game
I was 21 years old when I got my M1 Carbine. Bought it from a guy who used it for hunting for a whopping $200 dollars. He had modified it to take a scope but I plan on keeping the thing until I die. It is my go-to rifle if I am on the mountain around my house. I removed the scope and now I am trying to find a bayonet to go on the bayonet lug. I really enjoyed this video, so I subscribed you. Thank you for your service and I hope to see many more videos from you!
Try Numrich gun parts corporation they specialize in old gun parts
It should be the standard bayonet for the Garand. And yes, check numrich!
Save the scope for when you get old.
I'm watching this looking at my M1 carbine that I paid a whopping $100.00 to a coworker to get. That and $65.00 for an Enfield 303 were my best gun purchases.
@@jeffreyloveless5334 'scuse me sir, I need to report a man for gun theft! 😆
"Hey boss, the soda and meat guy with the weird jacket is here again. Grab a pallet jack."
"Hey, you should ask him what that little box hanging from his jacket is!"
LOL!!!!!
"hey, he's got me on that table of bullets for reference, neat!"
@@chainsawschopshop6607 It's his earplug case. Probably milsurp 80's era. They're great because they're an olive-drab plastic case with a short metal chain like the ones that come with your dogtags you can attach to a button hole. After your earplugs wear out or get lost, just refill them with whatever 3M makes now.
@@namyun2743 still used the same case in 01 top pops when ya push it sideways
@@namyun2743 I just saw an ad on some cable station for double-ended military issue ear plugs well you can have a class action lawsuit against 3M. I guess they didn't work so hot.
Just came back to this to see some comparisons of the 357 from a rifle to the 30 carbine. Your thorough investigation is always a breath of fresh air Paul.
The irony is the M1 carbine was probably one of the bigger influences in moving to smaller lighter faster bullets like the 5.56mm M193
Also the M1 to M2 conversion the military did to make them full auto had a flaw it would shoot if switched off when shooting auto.
Leigh Rich speaking of! I got to shoot a M2 carbine. Very fun gun to shoot in full auto! If you pulled the trigger fast enough you can get 3 to 4 rd burst.
@Alan Hardcastle I had a newer Universal in the early 90s. It was a nice shooter. I picked it up for $180.
"The irony is the M1 carbine was probably one of the bigger influences in moving to smaller lighter faster bullets like the 5.56mm M193"
I highly doubt that. The .30 Carbine cartridge uses the same diameter bullet (.308") that the U.S. military had already been using for the past 46 years (starting with the .30-40 Krag in 1892). And while the bullet was lighter than the bullets used in the .30-40, .30-03, and .30-06, it was also a lot slower. So how could a same-diameter, lighter, slower bullet be "one of the bigger influences in moving to smaller lighter faster bullets"?
My Father was issued a M1 cabine in the Army and swore by its accuracy and ease of use! He said so many wanted to trade their m14s for carbines due to the weight alone
I'm from Germany, when our Bundeswehr was founded after WWII, most of our equipment came from the United States. A former neighbor served as one of the first recruits in the late 1950's he was equiped with a M1 Carbine with a bayonet lock. I read that bayonet locks were introduced after WWII, he told me his rifle had about a dozen of scratches on his butstock, so he think it was used in Korea, and it's owner had several hits with it.
He liked his Carbine, it was handy, he was an engineer and had to drive a Caterpillar. A M1 Garand wasn't Handy enough to take it with him on his machine. He later became a Sergeant and get a FN FAL, and later a G3. He always says that he would prefer the FN or the G3 when the soviets would attack, but he prefer his Carbine for carrying with him on work
M1 carbine is an adequate assault rifle even by today's standards. I would go to a war with M1 carbine in my hands with full confidence.
Don't believe those long and "generous" comment "stories":)) because most of them are fairy tales. Somehow no one considers 7.62x25 tokarev round inadequate, quite the opposite, everyone says it is powerful, while twice more powerful .30carbine round with 1300 J energy suddenly not powerful for them:):):).. .30 carbine round is exactly in between AK47 7.62x39 and 7.62x25 tokarev, and that makes M1 Carbine round very powerful.
There are some photos that show the bayonet lug in use during WWII, but it was late war.
@@lulolee5325 not assault rifle just battle rifle. assault rifle is a rifle that is capable of switching between fully and semi-auto
Jonah...:):):):.. stop that bullshit!:)::).. this is your new age couch potato "classification"..:)
I always really liked the M1 Carbine. It just seems like the perfect firearm for it's day and it's job.
*its day and its job
It’s is not possessive, but a contraction for it is.
Didn’t want to go all grammar police, but twice in the same sentence bugged me too much. 😬
It's an extremely comfortable gun, nicely light, just the right size for casually carrying around.
I agree it was ideal for the intended role. It was never intended as a front line battle rifle. I am led to understand it was issued to troops such as supply line crews that needed something stowable, light and maneuverable but more effective than sidearms.
@@rwcraver Originally, it's role was meant to be exactly what you think. However, due to its superior ballistics and lighter weight (when compared to the Thompson), the M1 was frequently issued to officers, NCOs, and paratroopers as well. So it saw quite a lot of frontline combat. Even more so in Korea where it's other two variants (the select-fire M2 and the IRNV-equipped M3) were issued in larger numbers than they were in WW2 (being developed near the war's end). The gun was also used heavily by the troops of the ARVN in Vietnam where it was popular mainly because of the shorter stature of the Vietnamese.
I have always thought it was a nice handy little rifle. I would the negative reputation the carbine has with some people comes from them having unrealistic expectations about it.
I purchased mine in the early 90's. Always reluctant to purchase one, as I also believed it was underpowered. Thought of it as a pop gun. Today, my wife is an avid shooter prefers it over an AR. She now calls it "her" gun. She has been shooting it now for about 5 years and consistently gets a 5 inch group at 100 yds, standing.
Whichever way you look at it, a 110 grainer at 1850 feet per second isn't going to do anyone any _good,_ is it? There was undoubtedly a lot of BS talked about the M1 carbine. Personally I think it has great merit, and it's probably the closest thing there is to a general purpose rifle.
Thank you for the video on the M1 Carbine. In 1962 while stationed in Korea, I was issued the M2 Carbine. I was required to qualify on the range with the Carbine. The range had a series of random pop-up targets from 25 to 300 yards. I only missed two 300 yard targets and set a range record for the M2 Carbine! The Carbine will sure as hell shoot.
this video is a great practical application video to watch next to forgotten weapons video "Ken Hackathorn on the M1 Carbine: Reputation vs Reality
" gun is very historically cool, performance is relative to time it was designed for and who it was designed.
Been waiting for Paul Harrel's take on 30 carbine!
My favorite thing about my M1 Carbine is that it’s FUN to shoot. Light, low recoil, accurate... I have a small handful of guns, all with different purposes. The M1 Carbine doesn’t fit any of those purposes better than other guns I have, except for the sole purpose of having fun at the range. And it’s a gun that both me and my 10 year old enjoy equally.
Just wish the ammo wasn’t so damned expensive. 😡😡
@@alanbud5181 when I bought my Carbine, it came with an old ammo can full of ammo. Just over 1100 rounds and 5 good functional magazines. This was around 10 years ago when ammo wasn’t quite as bad as it is now. I have purchased around 500 more rounds through the years and probably only shot 300-350 through it. So I still have a healthy stockpile of ammo.
You've never experienced loud until you shoot that round out of a Blackhawk. Wear plugs and muffs neither is enough alone. In tx we don't wear thick coats. M1. Carbine is my truck gun
@@leshemby9430 a fellow Texan! I’d love to have a .30 Carbine revolver.
A high school friend of mine, who was awarded two Purple Hearts in Vietnam, said he got rid of his M16 for a M1 Carbine as soon as he could. He said he much preferred it in the bushes due to it's size and ease of handling. He said that "they" were having a lot of reliability issues with the M16, also.
And nearly all issues they had with the M16 in Vietnam was the ammo they were issued. It's a real shame.
@@Birdy890 Ammo was a culprit, but so was magazines.
Big issue was that the M16 was designed and adopted around one loading, and then the specs for the ammo was changed without anybody consulting anyone about anything regarding the rifle, it was just done as if it couldn't have had consequences.
The new spec was more powerful, but that also reflected on operation, the cyclic rate of the M16 was upped by ~200rpm due to this change, which is NOT a good thing, not for any rifle.
This caused lots of timing problems such as failure to extract because chamber pressure was still too high (usually by the extractor slipping off the rim, but sometimes tearing off part of it, or the entire bottom of the cartridge, NOT a fun malfunction to deal with even on a range), or the disconnector not behaving properly and the hammer following the bolt, leading to light strikes. This isn't to mention the wear problems this accelerated rate of fire caused.
The solution to this problem was to make the recoil buffer heavier, which slowed down the RPM to normal and made the gun itself behave like it should, this would be standard on the M16A1 and all rifles and carbines since.
The second really big problem was the magazines, someone, somewhere, had the bright idea that the M16 should have disposable magazines, that you would treat them like clips, just abandon them in the field, thus the magazines were made as cheap as possible and calculated in their manufacture to only have to last for 20 loaded rounds ever, loaded at the factory.
This REALLY didn't work logistically and people were quickly finding themselves having to reuse these magazines anyway, otherwise they would have no magazines at all, and this of course lead to a lot of feeding problems, especially in combination with the overcranked action running too fast.
This idea was soon enough abandoned and a new spec for the 20rd aluminum magazines were made, properly reusable.
Some people say the problems were from a lack of cleaning, as people were told the rifle didn't need it and weren't even issued equipment for it. This hardly carries any of that burden, the M16, though maybe not as tolerant to filth as the fabled Kalashnikov, still is one of the rifle designs which handles it better than most.
Nonetheless, the M16A1 would include a cleaning kit stored inside the stock, a useful addition for sure.
The bore and chamber would also be chrome lined, to improve the barrel's lifespan and make it easier to clean, this also made extraction even more reliable.
The M16 had some problems, but basically all of them were fixed with the M16A1, and the biggest problems couldn't really be attributed to the M16 itself as much as circumstances around it.
Copperhead Sutton . I suggest you all read “The Black Rifle” byStevens and Ezell, and also do some independent research.
The original AR15, as designed by Stoner, had unlined bores, but they functioned flawlessly.
Why were the early Colt manufactured versions so scored, by the troops? Simple. Quality control, or lack there of. Colt simply could not keep-up contractural obligations and maintain quality. Failure to extract/ stuck cases, in chambers were the most common critical malfunction. Yes, early ammo was dirty, due to the flash suppressant added to the powder. And chamber pressure issues with the ball powder, was realized.
But, rough and undersized chambers (due to worn reamers?) were the main problem. Some wise armorers (and more than a few Vietnamese gunsmiths) would would hone and polish the chambers, solving the problem.
When, enough complaints forced congress to consider revoking Colts contract, Colt cleaned up its act. The chrome lined chamber and bore of the A1, solved the vast majority of problems.
I was in Nam 69-70, was issued a M16A1. Never had an issue, but I never had to drag it through a rice paddy.
Just my dos centavos.
Surprised there was an intelligent conversation to be had here and not 10 different AK fan boys saying the AR-15 is bad with no conclusive evidence
The original M16s were horrible and to face it I spoke to an ex Marine who said the stock broke when trying to perform melee attacks.
Im very curious what happened behind the scenes if the henry "shot itself with a M16"
It was actually a mercy (or pity) killing. But in reality, the M16 (being a highly dangerous assault rifle) acted of it's own accord and with total impunity [and disregard for all existing Gun Control laws], murdered Henry.
SkylineToTheSeaAndMe ah yes, I hate it when the disembodied gun shoots up a school lmao
Dude you have the best Ian profile picture I’ve ever seen
Solid profile pic
I've been looking for the video when he made this joke thank you.
I adore the M-1 Carbine. But as a Brit I have to settle for my Ruger 10/22 in a M-1 Carbine configuration. Excellent video as usual Paul!
@@nikolausphillips 5% of UK pop is Muslim, most born here for multiple generations, most guns are banned due to a school shooting by a white guy in Scotland (Muslim pop 1.45%) , go boil your head you racist git.
@@cirian75 diversity is our strength
@@newerest1 diversity is not a strength.
@@cirian75 imagine how frail the gun "rights" have to be so they're taken away because of one psychopath that doesn't even equal 0.01% of gun owners in the country. But it's better to call people "racist" than to think logically instead of emotionally. Britain is heading in a great direction with its no-go zones, muslim child "grooming" gangs and imprisoning people for comments in the internet.
@@EnclaveTrooper1 There are No gun "rights" in the UK unless You include the right to apply for a licence and be investigated , then a licence may be granted (if You pass their criteria ) then You have the right to be visited (without need of a warrant ) by the Police at any time they feel the need to "Check " Your firearms and the storage of them all comply with the law and are secured correctly , failure to comply Will result in the loss of the licence , Your firearms , and a potential for criminal charges . Even 16 joule / 12 ft/lbs air weapons are restricted though as yet unlicenced though Politicians have discussed it and in Scotland it is the law that air weapons are licenced , the penalties for misuse or illegal ownership carry the same penalties as those for any other firearm .
Absolutely my favorite of your series so far, Paul. Hope you'll continue to illustrate this great carbine.
Thanks for sharing this great video Paul. After personally witnessing several deer taken with one shot kills with the M1 Carbine, I decided a long time ago that it didn't deserve the bad rap it had. I'll be the first to admit, shot placement and practice, is critical along with the proper ammo.
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this video.
Thanks.
Stan
For M1 Carbine haters, I'll counter with two words: Audie Murphy. End of discussion.
libertarian45 yet a recent American Rifleman article on WW2 small arms passes over the M1 carbine with some anecdotal remark by some grumpy old man from the Korean war that shoots at a fleeing communist prisoner and smashes his carbine on a rock calling it a “piece of junk”.
But, like you, I’d believe Audie Murphy before grumpy stories from a lazy article
Not to mention when Ian from forgotten weapons did a interview with a guy. (can't remember the name)
The man stated from a dutch farmer that when the Germans had American POW's in one area and weapons piled up in another area the Germans picked thru all the weapons for M1 carbines.
After the Americans beat back the Germans and the roles reversed (german POW's and weapons piled up in another area) the american troops picked thru all the german weapons for pistols.
Edit** Ken Hackathorn is the man Ian from Forgotten weapons was interviewing who shared the story of the dutch farmer.
Wasn't Murphy on the shorter side? I could easily see why he'd prefer the M1 over the longer and heavier Garand. It was popular amongst soldiers in the ARVN for the same reason.
@@silverbug97 short doesnt mean physically weak, you must be saying short and frail
Mag dump a Garand and a M1. Then tell me which you like better. And which actually hit the target. Make it multiple mag dumps. Oh, and how's your thumb afterwards.
My father bought an M1 carbine from the civilian marksmanship program, delivered for less than 20 dollars in 1962.
He found he didn't like it, so when I turned 11, I 'inherited' it for hunting purposes.
It was General Motors, Inland Division, manufactured during WW2. It had no bayonet mount.
I used 15 round magazines in the rifle, exclusively, except for one magazine which my father cut down to 4 rounds for California hunting
regulations. Yes, with a hacksaw…it worked fine.
The gun never jammed on me, to my own and my father's surprise, though I think I only fired about 350 rounds through it in 15 years. For one
reason or another I didn't reload for that caliber, so ammo was very pricey.
I always knew the velocity was between 1850 and 2000 fps, but I have actually seen it listed in the 1300 ft range, that typo must have
spread pretty wide LOL.
I used Norma soft nose for hunting, and any ball ammo I could get, usually military surplus, for practice.
My carbine, in my hands, was remarkably accurate. Might have been just the rifle, might have been just one of those perfect fit things.
I could shoot a Starling in the air. I did it three times on bets with family members. Of course we were usually using 410 and 16 gauge for pest bird control.
I shot Jackrabbits in the head, but they were always standing still, usually at about 100-125 feet.
Jacks will run when you flush them, circle, and then stop before rising up to see if you are chasing them… I used a 22 rifle for most of them, the carbine was more a 'why not?' sort of thing you do as a kid.
That short gun got me out of trouble three times, only once necessitating warning shots. I lived 2 hours from any possible police presence.
In ten years I saw two police cars… both times the sheriff picking up dead bodies, yes that was years ago. You pretty much were on your own.
I read an article in Shooters Bible that wrote about how poor a stopper the M2 (full auto) carbine was in real life. Not against humans, against small deer in Germany during the occupation. That combined with the poor results I had gotten from shooting coyote's center mass made me very worried about the stopping power of the carbine cartridge.
I felt that if I could reload it to above 2200 fps it might be adequate, or if I was sure I would make perfect shots even frightened, I think I would still have the rifle as it shot and felt like it had been made for me.
I sold it, bought a Mini 14, because while everyone told me that while the 5.56 sucked, it didn't suck quite as bad as the 30 carbine round.
I miss that carbine, but I hope it ended up as someone's collector rifle as it was still very nice when I sold it.
that deer thing is an absolute lie. ive killed HOGS with a 30 carbine, and it blew a fist sized hole through them(with softpoints). i bet they were using fmj rounds. even a 30-06 fmj would have a hard time killing animals.
lucas trask I've got the same gun. Mine was made in 7/45. They're nice built guns. I shot the M2 carbine my friend owns. Talk about a fun gun to shoot. Lite gun in full auto loves to lift up if you aren't ready for it. It was my first time shooting anything in full auto. Never will forget that.
Thanks for the tales, Space Viking!
@@nichevo1 Dang, you are the first person to get the connection... I read the novel in Analog in the 60's, still have the four part serial in my collection.
Hi, yes, of course they were using fmj military ammo... and yes, I shot a jack with three fmj 7.92 rounds from a 98 Mauser... after three hits it fell over... so yes, I probably would have been OK with the Norma soft nose. But I couldn't be sure, and so I switched to a 6.5 Swedish Mouser. It did fine.
I've watched this a 2nd or 3rd time as well as Lucky Gunner's videos, because I am an M1 Carbine fan. It is gratifying to learn it is not as weak as other people make it to be. In fact it worked along side M16 back in the day.
I have a 1942 Inland which has been refurbished by Fulton Armory. No issues on reliability there except as you say watch the mags and ammo you use.
Have a recent production from Auto Ordnance, which initially had lots of problems but they fixed all the issues at no charge and now works like a charm.
For enthusiasts who don't mind spending for 5.7X28 ammo, the premium for 30 carbine ammo is really not that much.
The main thing is utility, reliability and confidence that it works when you need it. Oh and about shooting beyond 100, not worried, never had the skill to reach out that far in any consistent manner. However if I really have to, then it'll be the M1 Garand.
Thank you very much, I was one of those that requested this review and I really enjoyed it.
Most critics of the M1 Carbine forget or ignore why it was created. It was meant to replace the pistol for front line officers and NCOs, rear echelon troops and troops on crew served weapons where carrying a full sized rifle would be cumbersome or impracticable. It was meant to be an early form of PDW to effectively engage threats ot to 250 yards. The magazine is the weakness link of the rifle. 15 rounders are mostly good. 30 rounders, on the other hand, unless they are genuine USGI are mostly junk and in my opinion should be loaded to 20 - 25 rounds.
As far as it not being effective during the Korean conflict, the sad truth is, in my opinion is they missed the target. Especially if they were firing on full auto.
In my opinion if properly employed, it is an excellent home defense weapon.
My uncle was a grunt who was wounded at Bastogne and when he was shopping for a camp gun for family protection, M1 was the only gun he considered...good enough for me
I visited Bastogne earlier this year. Very humbling.
Used to get deer with one when i was a kid, i took many. I've got an old Iver Johnson m1 & one made by Universal. My father was in ww2 & spoke highly of the m1 carbine. Awesome video Sir, thank you. 🇺🇸♥️
Excellent presentation, thank you for your time posting this content. I remember reading the Jim Cirillo book, the 30 Carbine was the only 1 shot stop firearm his unit used. With the right ammunition it can do quite well.
Excellent video. Having several carbines over the years, I have found another common cause for reliability is worn recoil springs. Easy to fix. Thank you for the video.
On fairly rare occasions mine would fail to feed. Put a new spring in it and it's been 100% since.
That Henry rifle got Epstein'd
Haha nice one
Yeah, instead of maintaining composure and just sending it back for a repair/replacement. Coming from a fan, I hope he was joking.
Nice, gonna use that from now on
Henry's look nice but feel cheap inside.
After watching this, I realized I don't want 357 lever...maybe a single shot break action...
Good God, when he started shooting and relaying the velocities I was having flashbacks to years (2003, 1982, 2006, 1999...). WTH
Me too , all the way back to velocity 1943
Henry rifle gets tossed into the trees like golf clubs while a 80+ year old carbine takes center stage.
If Henry ever gives me a 5lb rifle holding 30 rds they might become my favorite rifle.
I had 1911 that could shoot around corners, it could shoot 3 round burst and take down German bombers
@Giovanni Ripoll I was joking think about it
@Matt East dude this is some next level humor lmao
You mean to tell me you had the late Jeff Cooper's pistol? HOO-ah! Just how many pushups could it do when asked?
All those are possible depending on where you're seating in the bomber.😯
At the shooting range/gun store where I worked in the early- to mid-1990's we had a customer who had his 1911 empty the magazine on him. Firing pin broke and the tip jammed protruding from the slide. That and high/sensitive primers is about the only way a 1911 can go full-auto unless modified to do so intentionally.
Paul shooting at targets for chronograph readings is my ASMR.
My father has an M1 Carbine, and when I was a kid, it was one of the most accurate peep site guns I've ever shot. Thanks for bringing back those memories. I know the M1 Carbine is a great gun!
Hello Mr. Harrell I’m a big fan of your videos and really appreciate the information you provide. As a fairly new gun enthusiast I really appreciate the variety in your content.
When you said that people assert that your dog is undersized, he stopped panting for a while. He was as dumbfounded as any of us.
LOL!!!!
"To do an in-depth evaluation of the M-1 carbine, we could be here for days..."
Works for me.
When Paul Harrell says to do an in-depth analysis we could be here for days, he means it.
My father was a WW2 Marine in the Pacific. He was a second or third wave guy and was usually a whopping 100 yards behind the front (Supply). His war stories never included shooting his M1 carbine. They did, however, include being shot at by snipers, strafed by aircraft, shelled by Japanese ships, and being mortared. He liked the size and weight but never spoke about its effectiveness. In his 80's he wished he could get another one when he got too old to carry his deer rifle.
Bringing the pups in deserves a sub....... too bad I'm already subscribed.
Well he has the woofers.
Not to worry, I subbed. Not entirely b/c of the doggos, but... doggos.
What a Henry kicked the bucket?! I wish we could have saw that! Love the video!
In defence of the Henry Big Boy;
The manual specifically states that 125 grain ammo may not feed correctly.
Classic carbine reviewed by a classic man.
Thank you for your decent review of the US Carbine, Cal 30, M1. I first fired the carbine as a Cadet in Civil Air Patrol in 1956, then later qualified with it in USAF Basic Training. I have always loved it, always wanted one, and finally purchased one several months ago. (yes, cost too much!) Mine is not a military-owned piece, but is a commercial Auto Ordnance carbine. It is a really nice carbine and functions just fine. It is also my most fun gun to shoot. I reload for it and get velocities right at 1990-2015 fps using Lil Gun behind 110 grain round nose soft points. I usually fire at 100 yards using tactical targets and can keep all rounds center of chest with no trouble. I did replace the original sight with an adjustable ramp- style sight. I love this little gun! Oh- throw away those 30-round mags with the bolt hold-open configuration. I think the bolt slamming into the sharp metal edge on the follower can't be a good thing and surely will eventually damage the mag or the bolt. Again, thanks for a really nice review.