@@frickpoo6644 I tested mine with 120 rounds of south korean surplus .30 carbine ammo and had no issues. First 120 rounds out of the box. I would shoot it more but with current ammo availability, I figured if it could run 120 continuously without jamming, it will be able to do its job as a home defense gun. It's lighter than my AR15 (full size 20 inch) and is easy to maneuver. So far, its great. Make sure to properly clean, lube, grease it. I hear people say two things about grease on a carbine but I am going to grease mine like a garand and it seems to work well. I noticed it had some grease on it already before I re-lubed it.
The bad thing about them (according to my late grandfather who swore by the BAR) was that after being issued one of them and fighting with it for several days he noticed that past 100+yds it would knock a german down but they would get up and run/hobble away after. (Now days we know this to very likely be a side effect of the copious amounts of meth they used.) He ended up "finding" a BAR and used it until the end of his time in germany.
@@lostwizardcat9910 my dad was in 82nd Airborne , made and survived (obviously) all four jumps made by that unit in WWII. He loved the M1 carbine cause he could carry plenty of ammo and still have room for a couple extra canteens.. said they were always thirsty. Said it worked well enough on human targets.
I have an M1 made by Winchester at some point in 1944. It’s definitely seen use, I got it from an avid hog hunter who swore by it. I also have a full size AR15 from Colt styled after the M16A2. Got it brand new, out of the box. In the time I’ve fired both the AR15 has given me trouble 75% of the time. Some of it relatively minor, some being absolutely crippling. However every time I pull the trigger it’s essentially random chance if the thing will actually fire. The M1 Carbine has given me no shit whatsoever, save for a few misfeeds that happened because I forgot to clean it after 3 extensive days out. All of those problems could be solved without issue in seconds. Frankly after shooting both I’d be willing to entrust my life to the 70+ year old relic over the brand new AR.
I am surprised to hear that. I am not a polished TV channel with sponsors, but hey. I will take the compliment when I can get it. I try to pack some info into a review run by an ordinary guy running ordinary guns.
I worked in a war museum in holland in the area what saw a lot of action during opr market garden. We had ex us and ex Wehrmacht soldiers visiting us. Of course we talked about guns. Both sides agreed that it was a very popular rifle on both sides and that it did what it had to do but had his nicks and nacks. Both agreed the garand was way more powerful but hopping around in urban fighting the carbine was much loved.
@@DontThinkso-kb9tc A Garand IS a 30-06 Caliber Rifle, just the same as the 1903 Springfield and the 1903-a3 Springfield. Totally different Caliber and Weapon than the .45 ACP 1911/ a1.
A good friend from Church ( and Church Warden) had been an Officer during the War and went in with the Swimming DD Tanks in France, thru the Ardennes and into Germany. He was there several years after On the Watch On The Rhine and was in Charge of German Military Police that had been De-Nazified. The Germans all called the Carbine a “ Handy Little Rifle” and each and everyone strove to carry one as opposed to a much heavier Mauser or Garand. They’d seen to much War, and carried to many heavy loads to far. Jeep Drivers loved them too, popular with the Motor Pool Men and Typists/ Clerks/ Cooks/ Fat Sargents and Officers. Real Riflemen did not however. Yes, it filled its own niche… but was certainly NO great Battle Rifle
Anyone that says an M1 Carbine is not sufficient as a self defense weapon is invited to break into my house and come at me with malicious intent...we'll see how effective it is!
@@expose327 You realize that there are vests that don't have ballistic plates in them, right? When you say "vests", no one knows whether you mean Level IIa, II, IIIa, III, or IV. Also, I can't speak for Truth Above All, but I believe everyone is a complete, window licking idiot online, until proven otherwise. Harder to be disappointed by people that way.
@@expose327 Not to me. I have never heard anyone say that "Body Armour" specifically refers to vests with ballistic plates in them. Body Armour, Bullet Proof Vests, etc, have always been, to me, very general terms that can cover the gamut of NIJ Levels IIA to IV (Soft armour to hard armour). And .30 Carbine will go through most NIJ Level IIIA vests, with little issue. Yes, .30 Carbine will be stopped by any ballistic plate, be it steel, ceramic, HDPE, or other. The problem I have, is that when you write something out in all caps ("BODY ARMOUR"), it comes across online as someone shouting it, or being aggressive in tone. If that is your intention, I do not understand why. If that is not your intention, and did not know about that...well, now you do.
@@expose327 Could you please re-read this section of what I wrote? "Yes, .30 Carbine will be stopped by any ballistic plate, be it steel, ceramic, HDPE, or other." I am agreeing that hard armour stops .30 Carbine. I have never said otherwise. The rest is just simply that we have two different understandings of the term Body Armour. That's fine.
If you shoot one of these a lot then reloading is the only way to do it cheaply. The carbine headspaces off the case so the cases must be trimmed correctly. Also,if you seat the bullet too far out it won';t chamber or fit in the mag. 1.680"-1.690" is about it. I've tried loading some XTP hollowpoints and they won't cycle. The carbine likes round nosed bullets. I use 110 Sierra SPRN with about 15 grains of H110.
+JohnLeePedimore I wouldnt say reloading is key to shooting cheap... Monarch ammo and Tulammo as well as Wolf Steel cased can all be had for anywhere from $12 to $16 a box. Even Aguila is pretty cheap. The only .30 Carbine I've found to be super expensive are specialty loads and the Remington ammo. For me my specialty load of choice is Federal Power-Shok 110gr JSP. Has yet to fail to feed, extract, eject, expand, penetrate adequately, or fail to take down a white tail or hog with a well placed shot. It's a good hunting option and defense option. And it might be around or over $1 a round but that's typical of rounds marketed for defense or hunting so I dont expect much different in other calibers. However I've found MagTech JSP's in a box of 50 often run me $20 a box and they perform well too. So frankly, it's not that expensive, performance from one brand to the next in terms of energy and velocity often shows little to no variance due to .30 Carbines nature of being pretty set in stone for load data. Some of the lighter 85gr rounds will get moving a bit faster, but not much...
People's stupidity and cluelessness is just unbelievable... everyone says 7.62x25 tokarev round is being fast and very powerful, and indeed it was one of the rounds that were successfully used during World War Two. Yet, same people spread nonsense that .30 carbine round is underpowered:):).. while it's 50% faster and twice as powerful as 7.62x25 tokarev round ~ 1300 J vs 640 J. In fact, .30 Carbine round is pretty much the same power as today Russian military's standard AK round 5.45 x39!!! just .30 Carbine round being bigger caliber with round nose has even better stopping power and hydrostatic shock... People stop being stupid!
Almost 2000 fps in a 110 grain bullet. That isn't too far off from a modern .223, being only about 200-300 ft. lbs. less and would make quite a nice home defense or survival rifle.
This is one of the most underrated gun's & calibers ever made. A .30 Carbine will smoke a .357 magnum, slightly faster, with A LOT more ft.lb's on target. Thus, better stopping power. Especially compared to most carbines today; in 9mm & 40sw. The .30 carbine leaves them in the dust. Under powered? Not hardly!
All the other rounds expand and or fragment better, producing far more grievous wounds than .30 can. All .30 has is penetrating better in some things like helmets, but most armor can stop it. ruclips.net/video/x3d-0TyRwPE/видео.html
Actually a 357 in a carbine is bit more powerful then a m1. It does depend on the load and their is some overlap in power . But 357 can out power the 30 carbine when shot from a long gun .
@@frigglebiscuit7484 the evidence I've seen for says yes. 357 still out performs 30 carbine in a long gun . Again their is a lot of overlap between the two is especially in lower gr 357. And the 30 carbine as the advantage of being able to preform well I. Semiauto guns so that is a huge plus
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Well if you like em small you can get a .327 Federal Magnum levergun. Pushes a 100 grain bullet at 2060 FPS out of a 20 inch barrel
In Combat you definitely want full metal jacket. There are very few places on a soldier's uniform where a bullet isn't going to go through an ammo pouch ,first aid pouch,utility pouch or canteen. The bullet needs to be able to punch through things like this. Most hollow points would fragment under these conditions.
After around 20m of looking into the "myth" it's actually true "the stories of the carbine being weak in korea are true. It was determined that the powder used in those cartridges in use in korea was defective but that the defect doesn't show up unless you are using it in extremely low temperatures. ie...the powder was weak in below zero temps."
Way WRONG.. IT HAS TOMMYGUN SIGHTS TERRAIN OPENED UP THEY SPOTTED KOREANS AT 300-400 YARDS THEY WENT TO 300 YARD MARK ON SIGHTS AND SHOT 2 FEET OVER THEYR HEADS LOL THE 250 IS 300 YARDS RIGHT ON THE NOSE . THE CENTER OF GAP BETWEEN 250 AND 300 IS 400 YARDS DEAD NUTS ON. AND THE 300 MARK IS 500 YARDS AND HEAD SHOT CAPABLE MY 400 MARK IS CENTER PUNCHED AND LIGHTLY DRILLED WORKS GREAT..
@@kfsrmn my grandpa was issued a carbine during ww2, he was 82nd airborne dropped during the D-Day landings. He said after 75 yards or so you would hit someone and they would get up and run off after a few seconds. He always said after the first few days with the carbine he started looking to pick up a Garand and used it until he was sent home at the end of the war.
There is a video on youtube about the French Foreign Legion using the M1 carbine and they are very surprised at how effective it is balistically. I cant remember what it was called, if you find it please reply with a link. :)
Shot a 7 pt at just over 200 yards with one, loaded with federal blue box soft points. Broke a rib, tore up the chest cavity, took a chunk out of the opposite side rib and stopped , perfectly expanded , just before penetrating the skin on the opposite side. It was a helluva good shot, and the deer jumped in the air and landed dead. If you wanted to use the 30 for self defense, get you some of them federal soft points.. they were either called vital shock or Power shock.. I promise you, it's plenty effective, especially up close vs 2 legged critters
It's all about marksmanship. I keep my carbine next to my bed along with my .45 pistol. They will do the damage and not go through the house and kill a innocent bystander.
Believe it or not 5.56/.223 in certain loads is the same way. I would never have thought that had I not seen the data from people who know a lot more than me.
I for one will never question a combat veterans word on anything they experienced EVER! But veterans have their own thoughts, some positive and some negative, I respect both!
You all are very welcome for this bullet design, since I literally designed it and sent it to Hornady and ask them to create it for me. The irony of it is, I asked them to make a bullet from the FTX design in 308 caliber that I could reload, they ended up making their own ammo with the bullet and marketing it as such but didn't give me any credit even though I have the email that proves that I am the one who conceived of this. I'm a reloader and wanted something that I could use to take down deer and smaller animals at 100 yards. None of the round nose or even soft point bullets expand enough to take down a animal without making it suffer
Nice job!! Quick and concise!! No un needed bullshit!!! If the M1 Carbine was not effective for defense the US military would not have adopted it or used it for as many years as they ended up doing. My Father was a Marine in Korea he loved it, when he went to Viet Nam he carried a CAR-15 and he loved it more.
The more I learn about the M1 Carbine the more I like it. I've always seen it as a good, but underpowered rifle, which I suppose is the case if dealing with modern armor. But I can see it has plenty of power otherwise.
The complaint was not that the 30 carbine wouldn't penetrate winter clothing. But, that it would penetrate cleanly causing little injury and having no stopping power. See reports about the .32 Winchester in civilian use for hunting. Modern hollow and soft point ammo change all that.
Who really knows what ever happened in Korea with the 30 Carbine. But if this gun done service in WW2 and stopped and killed Germans in the winter time in their winter coats in Europe and also the 30 Carbine used in the Vietnam War without no problems, I am sure it will be a good home self defense rifle and caliber. And not to mention that many American cops also used the 30 Carbine for decades. Don't think no one would NOT want to be shot with a 30 Carbine or any caliber for that matter.
I’m not entirely sold on the stories from Korea of soldiers donning heavy winter gear being able to stop the .30 carbine rounds with just their clothing. My granddad had one of these rifles, and upon his passing he left it to me. I’ve put just about 600 rounds through it, with a range of different targets from paper targets, to 3/4-inch plywood, to water jugs to old disabled vehicles, and I can’t see a thick coat stopping that round from turning a shitty day into your last day.
My Uncle Billy served in the army in Korea. He said the problem with the carbine was in the winter time. He said when it got really cold the weapons would freeze up, not just the carbines but they were the worst ones. A lot of the blame can go to the fact that they had the wrong type of lubricant for the weapons. What they were using wasnt rated for below zero. The other issue were the magazines. If you rotated them with fresh magazines most of the problems went away. Only putting 20 or 25 in the 30 round mags and 13 in the 15s also cut down on malfunctions.
Something no one ever mentions is, the North Koreans winter uniforms were thick and became damp and frozen. Possibly 1 reason penetration was restricted. Just my 2 cents.
I neither hate nor do I love any calibers. Each have a role and niche. But, each firearm lives in an era. In its time, the M1 carbine did an exceptional job in the close to intermediate range for tank crews and officers. But, as a retired Marine LtCol, NRA firearms instructor, CHL instructor, and builder and collector of firearms, I am a realist. I own and have built MANY firearms. I love the size, look, history, and low recoil of the little M1 carbine. But, like the glock, I find that anything it can do, other calibers or models can do better.
Since the cartridge was designed exclusively or a carbine it is a carbine/rifle round. A carbine being a short rifle with nothing to do with a pistol. Pistols and revolvers would not be designed to use this cartridge for at least 30 years after the M1 carbine first saw service. The Ruger new model revolver in .30 carbine is actually a nice hunting revolver. As far as stopping power they do fine after all the The French Foreign Legion used them into the 1970s because they worked well.
For defense use the right load in the M1 Carbine. Soft points or hollow points. I alternate soft point and ball ammo in my mags. The target is not safe in the open or behind cover and I don't have to keep separate mags of one type of ammo to another. But I don't shoot my M1 Carbine inside the house. The only thing I will shoot inside the house unless I have no choice is a shotgun with #4 birdshot turkey load. Bullets, slugs, and buckshot will over penetrate inside a house but birdshot won't. The pattern stays tight at close range with full and modified chokes. Most shooting distances inside a house is up to 20 feet. Its feet inside a house, not yards. Extreme close range.
Well it served the purpose of self defence for rear echelon troops. This was after they discovered that the m1911 simply didn't have the range or fire-power needed to act as a combat weapon.
@@censorduck The 1911 _‘replacement’_ is largely fudd lore. The Light Rifle Program’s primary requirements for the rifle were a weight of not more than 5 pounds (with sling), effective range of 300 yards, and capability for both semiauto and fully automatic fire. That’s not a handgun replacement. In fact, the intermediate .30 carbine would immediately lead to the next project, which was a .22 caliber high velocity Light Rifle. _(which we all know today)_ _”Replacing”_ the 1911 with the M1 carbine is like replacing your wife’s pepper spray with a Gun.
@@-John-Doe- so why did the American army keep issuing m1 rifles as late as Korea if the carbine was meant to be anything other than a defence weapon for non-frontline troops? At most it occasionally replaced the Thompson as an NCO/Officer's weapon.
@@censorduck Doctrine -- you can't be overmatched @ 2-300 yards and the M1 was an excellent weapon. This is explicitly why there was a project to develop what would become the .223, focused on replicating the .30 carbine _(energy, recoil, firepower)_ with the external ballistics of the infantry rifle. It's no surprise that the M16 followed the same format of the Light Rifle Project, and initially replaced the Carbines. _(But you won't hear people saying it's a replacement for the replacement of the 1911)_ The M1 & M2 virtually replaced the Submachinegun in American service by Korea. The process was well underway during WW2 _(They began its development alongside adopting the thompson)_ America never heavily invested in the submachinegun concept, _(Even though I love the M3 Grease Gun)_ and the Light Rifle Program was a priority that became more and more evident as the war went on. By comparison, the STG series of rifles were developed along the same timeline. The full auto drop in kits would be issued later with the M1 to convert them to M2s as originally intended. There were a total of ~1.3M thompsons produced, 600k, grease guns, and 6.1M carbines.
The stories of the Korean war had alot more to do with the guys on the other end being hopped up on opium and alot less to do with their choice in coat.
I dont question the stories. They try to shoot it a couple hundred yards away and the bullet has terrible b.c., low relative velocity and low mass. It drops off quick.
Yes, i had blood shooting from my eyeballs a few minutes ago. My paw was watching a documentary on the M1 Garand, with some old man blathering about how he would see people get shot 5-6 times with the Carbine & keep running, while one shot from the Garand put them down every time. I started yelling BS on the old man until my dad finally changed channels. The more i listened to this old man, the more i doubted that he was even a veteran, much less one that had ever seen any combat, though he "claimed" to have been a paratrooper. Sad as it is, there are many, many people who will "invent" their own war record in order to re-write their real war time history! Disgraceful!
I had one of these carbines in the 1980's and I don't know why in the world I decided to trade it off. I bought it for home defense. This soldier thought it was worthwhile!! www.lsbauctions.com/1036/audie-murphys-m1-carbine-gift-to-dfc-recipient-george-d-mclvor-for-sale-at-lsb/
To be fair the ammo the military was issued especially back then wasn't anywhere near as powerful in terms of penetration as what we have now, however I doubt heavy winter clothing stopped the round but it's well known that the carbine wounded more than it killed in 1 shot past say 100-150yds in fact there are quite a few first had accounts of people getting shot with it and being seen actually getting up and running away under their own strength.
No, it's just as powerful. In fact it is EXACTLY as powerful as the gas system needs a very specific pressure curve over time to reliably cycle the action. The velocity was tested then and it was tested now, it's the same velocity of around 2000fps.
Great presentation, but I would like to add another source for evaluating 30 penetration. Here is a link to another video, one by ScubaOz, which casts serious doubt on those stories of the 30 carbine being unable to penetrate frozen Korean uniforms. In this, frozen media is used for the test. ruclips.net/video/KPg30GURudY/видео.html
He was making fun of it being called a glorified pistol but penetrating over 2ft of gel. Another round that acts similarly is the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round. 100grn at 1400fps out of a pistol barrel! Penetrates very well.
Very first thing you said is "...self defense." There is ample proof that the M1 carbine IS effective at reasonable distances. If you are going after someone over 200 yards,you are hunting.Its no longer self defense. If you find you want a thousand yard capability,then buy a 50 cal sniper rifle and be done with it.Self defense is defending yourself from close proximity attacks. The carbine is capable. Some people on you tube try coming off as frign gurus of various subjects,when the fact is,they have no common sense and are simply looking for validation.
Much of the "weak" .30 carbine lore came about due to folks trying too hard to compare .30 M1 Carbine to .30-06 M1 Garand. While doing this, they totally misunderstood the entire premise behind what .30 M1 Carbine was meant to be. Factor in not always stellar wartime of WW2 or Korean War era cartridge manufacturing quality control? And it's no wonder .30 M1 Carbine got a bad reputation it truly didntķ deserve. It's nice to see at least one U.S. company taking a new look at .30 M1 Carbine potential and coming up with a dedicated defense cartridge for it. Now if only the other big ammo makers will take the hint and follow suit.
@@OldSchoolParatrooper My dad was a BAR man at a place called Chosin during the Korean fight, but he did use the carbine from time to time. The carbine jammed in the cold while the BAR never did. He died just last year, and he still felt bad about all the Chinese boys he had to kill with his BAR. They were just kids, he said. Some of them had no guns, and some had American weapons. Some BAR guys liked killing, but my dad never did. It was war-time, and he did what he was ordered to do. RIP pops.
Been owning one for years. Killed some deer and hogs. Lost some deer too. Quit hunting with it and just like owning it. Mine is vintage ww2. Tried different ammo. Had as little as six inch penetration on deer at close range. Did shoot one in the rump and it exited in front his shoulder breaking the shoulder and 4 ribs. All cheap ammo. I found powder charges inconsistent. But if you want to sell yours cheap I'll buy it. They're great rifles and spread democracy world wide. You be your own judge
Well to take and compare M1 carbine to a m4 is ridiculous. The M1 is a weapon of war, just like the M4. One is 3100fps. The other is 1900fps. One close range, the other long range.
The Ballistics of the M1 carbine are pretty decent, would do well as a home defense firearm with the proper ammo. Of course though you bring up the fact that in Korea many battles took place at great distances where the 30 carbine cartridge was ineffective. The 30 carbine cartridge is only effective upto around 200 yards and that is why it isn't a good choice for GI, GI need a rifle more like the M1 garand that will carry muzzle energy upto at least 600 yards. Keep in mind that the ammo was also quite different from modern ammo.
The M1 Carbine rifle was good enough for men in the 2nd World War , Korean War and Vietnam so it's good enough for me
when they don't jam. the one time i was able to shoot,either it was bad ammo or a cheap good looking knockoff.
If it's not maintained properly and fed good amo it's a product of it's time it's a m1 Carbine not an ar-15
@@frickpoo6644 I tested mine with 120 rounds of south korean surplus .30 carbine ammo and had no issues. First 120 rounds out of the box. I would shoot it more but with current ammo availability, I figured if it could run 120 continuously without jamming, it will be able to do its job as a home defense gun. It's lighter than my AR15 (full size 20 inch) and is easy to maneuver. So far, its great. Make sure to properly clean, lube, grease it. I hear people say two things about grease on a carbine but I am going to grease mine like a garand and it seems to work well. I noticed it had some grease on it already before I re-lubed it.
The bad thing about them (according to my late grandfather who swore by the BAR) was that after being issued one of them and fighting with it for several days he noticed that past 100+yds it would knock a german down but they would get up and run/hobble away after. (Now days we know this to very likely be a side effect of the copious amounts of meth they used.) He ended up "finding" a BAR and used it until the end of his time in germany.
@@lostwizardcat9910 my dad was in 82nd Airborne , made and survived (obviously) all four jumps made by that unit in WWII. He loved the M1 carbine cause he could carry plenty of ammo and still have room for a couple extra canteens.. said they were always thirsty. Said it worked well enough on human targets.
I have an M1 made by Winchester at some point in 1944. It’s definitely seen use, I got it from an avid hog hunter who swore by it. I also have a full size AR15 from Colt styled after the M16A2. Got it brand new, out of the box.
In the time I’ve fired both the AR15 has given me trouble 75% of the time. Some of it relatively minor, some being absolutely crippling. However every time I pull the trigger it’s essentially random chance if the thing will actually fire. The M1 Carbine has given me no shit whatsoever, save for a few misfeeds that happened because I forgot to clean it after 3 extensive days out. All of those problems could be solved without issue in seconds.
Frankly after shooting both I’d be willing to entrust my life to the 70+ year old relic over the brand new AR.
I had that same model of Colt. It was garbage, sold it. I couldn't get back to AR's for 30+ years. I have had My 30 carbine for 25+years. 0 problems.
Packed more meaningful info into a five minute video than most "experts" do in thirty minutes, great job!
I am surprised to hear that. I am not a polished TV channel with sponsors, but hey. I will take the compliment when I can get it. I try to pack some info into a review run by an ordinary guy running ordinary guns.
More disinformation you mean
I worked in a war museum in holland in the area what saw a lot of action during opr market garden.
We had ex us and ex Wehrmacht soldiers visiting us. Of course we talked about guns. Both sides agreed that it was a very popular rifle on both sides and that it did what it had to do but had his nicks and nacks. Both agreed the garand was way more powerful but hopping around in urban fighting the carbine was much loved.
You mean the netherlands? Holland isn't a country.
@@DirtyDan1 ah yes.correct. but everybody knows holland and not everybody The Netherlands unfortunately. maar ja je hebt volkomen gelijk
Garand isn't comparable, it's closer to the 45 than the 30 06.
@@DontThinkso-kb9tc A Garand IS a 30-06 Caliber Rifle, just the same as the 1903 Springfield and the 1903-a3 Springfield. Totally different Caliber and Weapon than the .45 ACP 1911/ a1.
A good friend from Church ( and Church Warden) had been an Officer during the War and went in with the Swimming DD Tanks in France, thru the Ardennes and into Germany. He was there several years after On the Watch On The Rhine and was in Charge of German Military Police that had been De-Nazified. The Germans all called the Carbine a “ Handy Little Rifle” and each and everyone strove to carry one as opposed to a much heavier Mauser or Garand. They’d seen to much War, and carried to many heavy loads to far. Jeep Drivers loved them too, popular with the Motor Pool Men and Typists/ Clerks/ Cooks/ Fat Sargents and Officers. Real Riflemen did not however. Yes, it filled its own niche… but was certainly NO great Battle Rifle
I just love the sound of that .30 carbine Mostly like a small crack rather than a a loud bang
Anyone that says an M1 Carbine is not sufficient as a self defense weapon is invited to break into my house and come at me with malicious intent...we'll see how effective it is!
Absolutely.. I'd love to prove this little Inland's effectiveness upon malicious intent, yes sir, I've already set up the video recorders
I heard that! Seems to me the M1 cartridge is a nasty little customer, especially with modern expanding ammo. Bad guys be afraid - VERY afraid!
@@expose327 You realize that there are vests that don't have ballistic plates in them, right? When you say "vests", no one knows whether you mean Level IIa, II, IIIa, III, or IV.
Also, I can't speak for Truth Above All, but I believe everyone is a complete, window licking idiot online, until proven otherwise. Harder to be disappointed by people that way.
@@expose327 Not to me. I have never heard anyone say that "Body Armour" specifically refers to vests with ballistic plates in them. Body Armour, Bullet Proof Vests, etc, have always been, to me, very general terms that can cover the gamut of NIJ Levels IIA to IV (Soft armour to hard armour).
And .30 Carbine will go through most NIJ Level IIIA vests, with little issue.
Yes, .30 Carbine will be stopped by any ballistic plate, be it steel, ceramic, HDPE, or other.
The problem I have, is that when you write something out in all caps ("BODY ARMOUR"), it comes across online as someone shouting it, or being aggressive in tone. If that is your intention, I do not understand why. If that is not your intention, and did not know about that...well, now you do.
@@expose327 Could you please re-read this section of what I wrote?
"Yes, .30 Carbine will be stopped by any ballistic plate, be it steel, ceramic, HDPE, or other."
I am agreeing that hard armour stops .30 Carbine. I have never said otherwise.
The rest is just simply that we have two different understandings of the term Body Armour. That's fine.
That's crazy. I was not expecting that at all, wow. Explains why it was so effective in WW2.
I would say hell yeah to that being a great defensive round
I didn't go into the various issues arising from the 30 carbine as a self-defense option, which probably deserves another video.
If you shoot one of these a lot then reloading is the only way to do it cheaply. The carbine headspaces off the case so the cases must be trimmed correctly. Also,if you seat the bullet too far out it won';t chamber or fit in the mag. 1.680"-1.690" is about it. I've tried loading some XTP hollowpoints and they won't cycle. The carbine likes round nosed bullets. I use 110 Sierra SPRN with about 15 grains of H110.
Handloading definitely is key. Personally, I like to reload for calibers I can retain the brass for.
+JohnLeePedimore I wouldnt say reloading is key to shooting cheap... Monarch ammo and Tulammo as well as Wolf Steel cased can all be had for anywhere from $12 to $16 a box. Even Aguila is pretty cheap. The only .30 Carbine I've found to be super expensive are specialty loads and the Remington ammo. For me my specialty load of choice is Federal Power-Shok 110gr JSP. Has yet to fail to feed, extract, eject, expand, penetrate adequately, or fail to take down a white tail or hog with a well placed shot.
It's a good hunting option and defense option. And it might be around or over $1 a round but that's typical of rounds marketed for defense or hunting so I dont expect much different in other calibers. However I've found MagTech JSP's in a box of 50 often run me $20 a box and they perform well too. So frankly, it's not that expensive, performance from one brand to the next in terms of energy and velocity often shows little to no variance due to .30 Carbines nature of being pretty set in stone for load data.
Some of the lighter 85gr rounds will get moving a bit faster, but not much...
John, thanks for that info :)
Great video. Did you know this is the caliber rifle used in the Alledged Buford Pusser Ambush. Google that.
Good video. Always fun to watch gel tests.
Remarkable straight forward presentation. Very refreshing video with great information.
People's stupidity and cluelessness is just unbelievable... everyone says 7.62x25 tokarev round is being fast and very powerful, and indeed it was one of the rounds that were successfully used during World War Two. Yet, same people spread nonsense that .30 carbine round is underpowered:):).. while it's 50% faster and twice as powerful as 7.62x25 tokarev round ~ 1300 J vs 640 J. In fact, .30 Carbine round is pretty much the same power as today Russian military's standard AK round 5.45 x39!!! just .30 Carbine round being bigger caliber with round nose has even better stopping power and hydrostatic shock... People stop being stupid!
Would Love to see some Gel Test showing the PPU Soft Point, Remington UMC and the Buffalo Bore Soft Point in 30 Carbine.
Good testing my friend.
Thanks Buffalo. Not bad for a discount Paul Harrell apparently.
Considering a lot of men have died at the end of one I'd say it's effective.
Not if it fails to stop immediately. You can get mortally wounded, and still live for hours
@@DirtyDan1 even 20mm can fail to stop immediately. And a single BB can kill instantly. Life is full of surprises.
Ive seen deer shot 7 times with a 30/30 before it expired
Depends on which end most of them were on.
There are reports that a .30 carbine M1 has killed brown bears.
I appreciate the fact I was able to watch a gel test in 5 minutes or less.
You really don't want to get shot with this. Also with a thirty round clip the back up shots make this a deadly gun.
Great test. Thanks for your effort.
loaded with Corbon DPX or Hornady Critical Defense would make a most excellent home defense firearm
Or a soft point
Almost 2000 fps in a 110 grain bullet. That isn't too far off from a modern .223, being only about 200-300 ft. lbs. less and would make quite a nice home defense or survival rifle.
You're right, but I'll still take a decent shotgun for home defense any day.
Carried one in Nam. Great weapon. Owned one later. Worst mistake was selling it.
This is one of the most underrated gun's & calibers ever made. A .30 Carbine will smoke a .357 magnum, slightly faster, with A LOT more ft.lb's on target. Thus, better stopping power.
Especially compared to most carbines today; in 9mm & 40sw. The .30 carbine leaves them in the dust.
Under powered?
Not hardly!
All the other rounds expand and or fragment better, producing far more grievous wounds than .30 can. All .30 has is penetrating better in some things like helmets, but most armor can stop it.
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Actually a 357 in a carbine is bit more powerful then a m1. It does depend on the load and their is some overlap in power . But 357 can out power the 30 carbine when shot from a long gun .
@@andywilson8698 with 110 gr 357 bullets? not likely.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 the evidence I've seen for says yes. 357 still out performs 30 carbine in a long gun . Again their is a lot of overlap between the two is especially in lower gr 357. And the 30 carbine as the advantage of being able to preform well I. Semiauto guns so that is a huge plus
@@frigglebiscuit7484 Well if you like em small you can get a .327 Federal Magnum levergun. Pushes a 100 grain bullet at 2060 FPS out of a 20 inch barrel
In Combat you definitely want full metal jacket. There are very few places on a soldier's uniform where a bullet isn't going to go through an ammo pouch ,first aid pouch,utility pouch or canteen. The bullet needs to be able to punch through things like this. Most hollow points would fragment under these conditions.
After around 20m of looking into the "myth" it's actually true
"the stories of the carbine being weak in korea are true. It was determined that the powder used in those cartridges in use in korea was defective but that the defect doesn't show up unless you are using it in extremely low temperatures. ie...the powder was weak in below zero temps."
Way WRONG..
IT HAS TOMMYGUN SIGHTS
TERRAIN OPENED UP THEY SPOTTED KOREANS AT 300-400 YARDS
THEY WENT TO 300 YARD MARK ON SIGHTS AND SHOT 2 FEET OVER THEYR
HEADS LOL
THE 250 IS 300 YARDS RIGHT ON THE NOSE .
THE CENTER OF GAP BETWEEN 250 AND 300 IS 400 YARDS DEAD NUTS ON.
AND THE 300 MARK IS 500 YARDS AND HEAD SHOT CAPABLE
MY 400 MARK IS CENTER PUNCHED AND LIGHTLY DRILLED WORKS GREAT..
Thanks for that. My brother was one that had a bad experience with the carbine in Korea and yes it was winter. You just vindicated him.
@@kfsrmn my grandpa was issued a carbine during ww2, he was 82nd airborne dropped during the D-Day landings. He said after 75 yards or so you would hit someone and they would get up and run off after a few seconds.
He always said after the first few days with the carbine he started looking to pick up a Garand and used it until he was sent home at the end of the war.
There is a video on youtube about the French Foreign Legion using the M1 carbine and they are very surprised at how effective it is balistically. I cant remember what it was called, if you find it please reply with a link. :)
Shot a 7 pt at just over 200 yards with one, loaded with federal blue box soft points.
Broke a rib, tore up the chest cavity, took a chunk out of the opposite side rib and stopped , perfectly expanded , just before penetrating the skin on the opposite side.
It was a helluva good shot, and the deer jumped in the air and landed dead.
If you wanted to use the 30 for self defense, get you some of them federal soft points.. they were either called vital shock or Power shock..
I promise you, it's plenty effective, especially up close vs 2 legged critters
It's all about marksmanship. I keep my carbine next to my bed along with my .45 pistol. They will do the damage and not go through the house and kill a innocent bystander.
Believe it or not 5.56/.223 in certain loads is the same way. I would never have thought that had I not seen the data from people who know a lot more than me.
Dude the 30 carbine is one of the most over penetrating rounds ever made.
@@DirtyDan1
Surely you can't be serious
Funny how the Americans questioned its lethality against the Germans and the Japanese, but the French really appreciated it against the Vietnamese.
I for one will never question a combat veterans word on anything they experienced EVER! But veterans have their own thoughts, some positive and some negative, I respect both!
Try the Underwood .30 Carbine Xtreme Cavitator
I concur. It is Devastating
Nice video. I would rather go with the FMJ rounds because blood loss is more effective than stopping power.
You all are very welcome for this bullet design, since I literally designed it and sent it to Hornady and ask them to create it for me. The irony of it is, I asked them to make a bullet from the FTX design in 308 caliber that I could reload, they ended up making their own ammo with the bullet and marketing it as such but didn't give me any credit even though I have the email that proves that I am the one who conceived of this. I'm a reloader and wanted something that I could use to take down deer and smaller animals at 100 yards. None of the round nose or even soft point bullets expand enough to take down a animal without making it suffer
Very nice I love the perfectly clear gel great job I’ll be following ur channel
Nice job!! Quick and concise!! No un needed bullshit!!! If the M1 Carbine was not effective for defense the US military would not have adopted it or used it for as many years as they ended up doing. My Father was a Marine in Korea he loved it, when he went to Viet Nam he carried a CAR-15 and he loved it more.
Would you shoot a plate with the hornady round? That’s would I have loaded in my personal carbine
So it has 5.7 velocity and 9mm bullet weight and no drop at 100yds? Seems like a match made in heaven if ur on the right side of the FCG.
The more I learn about the M1 Carbine the more I like it. I've always seen it as a good, but underpowered rifle, which I suppose is the case if dealing with modern armor. But I can see it has plenty of power otherwise.
The complaint was not that the 30 carbine wouldn't penetrate winter clothing. But, that it would penetrate cleanly causing little injury and having no stopping power. See reports about the .32 Winchester in civilian use for hunting. Modern hollow and soft point ammo change all that.
That has been debunked.
Who really knows what ever happened in Korea with the 30 Carbine.
But if this gun done service in WW2 and stopped and killed Germans in the winter time in their winter coats in Europe and also the 30 Carbine used in the Vietnam War without no problems, I am sure it will be a good home self defense rifle and caliber.
And not to mention that many American cops also used the 30 Carbine for decades.
Don't think no one would NOT want to be shot with a 30 Carbine or any caliber for that matter.
I’m not entirely sold on the stories from Korea of soldiers donning heavy winter gear being able to stop the .30 carbine rounds with just their clothing. My granddad had one of these rifles, and upon his passing he left it to me. I’ve put just about 600 rounds through it, with a range of different targets from paper targets, to 3/4-inch plywood, to water jugs to old disabled vehicles, and I can’t see a thick coat stopping that round from turning a shitty day into your last day.
My Uncle Billy served in the army in Korea. He said the problem with the carbine was in the winter time. He said when it got really cold the weapons would freeze up, not just the carbines but they were the worst ones. A lot of the blame can go to the fact that they had the wrong type of lubricant for the weapons. What they were using wasnt rated for below zero. The other issue were the magazines. If you rotated them with fresh magazines most of the problems went away. Only putting 20 or 25 in the 30 round mags and 13 in the 15s also cut down on malfunctions.
Something no one ever mentions is, the North Koreans winter uniforms were thick and became damp and frozen. Possibly 1 reason penetration was restricted. Just my 2 cents.
Well done , sir!
Do u take a kayak out to reset ur target or go party barge? That is a beautiful range, nice.
I neither hate nor do I love any calibers. Each have a role and niche. But, each firearm lives in an era. In its time, the M1 carbine did an exceptional job in the close to intermediate range for tank crews and officers. But, as a retired Marine LtCol, NRA firearms instructor, CHL instructor, and builder and collector of firearms, I am a realist. I own and have built MANY firearms. I love the size, look, history, and low recoil of the little M1 carbine. But, like the glock, I find that anything it can do, other calibers or models can do better.
Since the cartridge was designed exclusively or a carbine it is a carbine/rifle round. A carbine being a short rifle with nothing to do with a pistol. Pistols and revolvers would not be designed to use this cartridge for at least 30 years after the M1 carbine first saw service. The Ruger new model revolver in .30 carbine is actually a nice hunting revolver. As far as stopping power they do fine after all the The French Foreign Legion used them into the 1970s because they worked well.
It was designed to replace the 1911 pistol .
For defense use the right load in the M1 Carbine. Soft points or hollow points. I alternate soft point and ball ammo in my mags. The target is not safe in the open or behind cover and I don't have to keep separate mags of one type of ammo to another. But I don't shoot my M1 Carbine inside the house. The only thing I will shoot inside the house unless I have no choice is a shotgun with #4 birdshot turkey load. Bullets, slugs, and buckshot will over penetrate inside a house but birdshot won't. The pattern stays tight at close range with full and modified chokes. Most shooting distances inside a house is up to 20 feet. Its feet inside a house, not yards. Extreme close range.
0:44 .30 Carbine has 99% of the muzzle energy of 5.45x39.
The M1 Carbine is a replacement for the 1911 like a Glock is a replacement for pepper spray.
Well it served the purpose of self defence for rear echelon troops. This was after they discovered that the m1911 simply didn't have the range or fire-power needed to act as a combat weapon.
@@censorduck The 1911 _‘replacement’_ is largely fudd lore.
The Light Rifle Program’s primary requirements for the rifle were a weight of not more than 5 pounds (with sling), effective range of 300 yards, and capability for both semiauto and fully automatic fire.
That’s not a handgun replacement.
In fact, the intermediate .30 carbine would immediately lead to the next project, which was a .22 caliber high velocity Light Rifle.
_(which we all know today)_
_”Replacing”_ the 1911 with the M1 carbine is like replacing your wife’s pepper spray with a Gun.
@@-John-Doe- so why did the American army keep issuing m1 rifles as late as Korea if the carbine was meant to be anything other than a defence weapon for non-frontline troops? At most it occasionally replaced the Thompson as an NCO/Officer's weapon.
@@censorduck Doctrine -- you can't be overmatched @ 2-300 yards and the M1 was an excellent weapon.
This is explicitly why there was a project to develop what would become the .223, focused on replicating the .30 carbine _(energy, recoil, firepower)_ with the external ballistics of the infantry rifle.
It's no surprise that the M16 followed the same format of the Light Rifle Project, and initially replaced the Carbines.
_(But you won't hear people saying it's a replacement for the replacement of the 1911)_
The M1 & M2 virtually replaced the Submachinegun in American service by Korea. The process was well underway during WW2 _(They began its development alongside adopting the thompson)_
America never heavily invested in the submachinegun concept, _(Even though I love the M3 Grease Gun)_ and the Light Rifle Program was a priority that became more and more evident as the war went on.
By comparison, the STG series of rifles were developed along the same timeline. The full auto drop in kits would be issued later with the M1 to convert them to M2s as originally intended.
There were a total of ~1.3M thompsons produced, 600k, grease guns, and 6.1M carbines.
The stories of the Korean war had alot more to do with the guys on the other end being hopped up on opium and alot less to do with their choice in coat.
Great video ! Most informative. Nasty wound. Interesting round.
What kind of gun was fired at 3:30 ??
i dont think it was a gun i think it was tanarite
Proven effective in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Israel, police and paramilitary groups as well as hunters.
Thanks for this.
I dont question the stories. They try to shoot it a couple hundred yards away and the bullet has terrible b.c., low relative velocity and low mass. It drops off quick.
Yes, i had blood shooting from my eyeballs a few minutes ago. My paw was watching a documentary on the M1 Garand, with some old man blathering about how he would see people get shot 5-6 times with the Carbine & keep running, while one shot from the Garand put them down every time. I started yelling BS on the old man until my dad finally changed channels. The more i listened to this old man, the more i doubted that he was even a veteran, much less one that had ever seen any combat, though he "claimed" to have been a paratrooper. Sad as it is, there are many, many people who will "invent" their own war record in order to re-write their real war time history! Disgraceful!
is your range flooded or are you shooting across a pond?
It is a flood prone area for sure. Calf boots are basically required to go out there. Great place, though.
Everything I’ve read or heard equates 30 Carbine to a .357. good to 200 yards.
Actually stronger than 357.
.357 makes significantly larger wounds.
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@@barccy so does a carbine with hollow points. ive seen shot hogs with both, and neither is different or better.
Frozen uniforms might stop the bullet
Good video mate.
Good video.
Looks like I have been made.
I had one of these carbines in the 1980's and I don't know why in the world I decided to trade it off. I bought it for home defense.
This soldier thought it was worthwhile!!
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To be fair the ammo the military was issued especially back then wasn't anywhere near as powerful in terms of penetration as what we have now, however I doubt heavy winter clothing stopped the round but it's well known that the carbine wounded more than it killed in 1 shot past say 100-150yds in fact there are quite a few first had accounts of people getting shot with it and being seen actually getting up and running away under their own strength.
No, it's just as powerful. In fact it is EXACTLY as powerful as the gas system needs a very specific pressure curve over time to reliably cycle the action. The velocity was tested then and it was tested now, it's the same velocity of around 2000fps.
@@Treblaine except the fact that the velocity in some of those tests was 950fps and the gun still cycled, amazing isn't it
Great presentation, but I would like to add another source for evaluating 30 penetration.
Here is a link to another video, one by ScubaOz, which casts serious doubt on those stories of the 30 carbine being unable to penetrate frozen Korean uniforms. In this, frozen media is used for the test. ruclips.net/video/KPg30GURudY/видео.html
At 3:30.
R. Lee Ermy asks "What was THAT!? WTF was that?!"
(Good video)
A whole lot of German troops found out how effective it was.
"Glorified pistol" *Penetrates 27" of gel*
And?
He was making fun of it being called a glorified pistol but penetrating over 2ft of gel. Another round that acts similarly is the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round. 100grn at 1400fps out of a pistol barrel! Penetrates very well.
9x19 can do the same. FMJs penetrate.
@@barccy true. The .30 carbine 110 gen round weighs almost the same as a 115grn 9mm but is moving at like 1900fps.
@@expose327 pelvic cradle shot. one and done. the age of body armor has changed tactics to where the armor no longer is worth the weight and heat.
Very first thing you said is "...self defense."
There is ample proof that the M1 carbine IS effective at reasonable distances. If you are going after someone over 200 yards,you are hunting.Its no longer self defense. If you find you want a thousand yard capability,then buy a 50 cal sniper rifle and be done with it.Self defense is defending yourself from close proximity attacks. The carbine is capable.
Some people on you tube try coming off as frign gurus of various subjects,when the fact is,they have no common sense and are simply looking for validation.
Lol defeated Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan, but it's effectiveness is now a matter of debate
Much of the "weak" .30 carbine lore came about due to folks trying too hard to compare .30 M1 Carbine to .30-06 M1 Garand.
While doing this, they totally misunderstood the entire premise behind what .30 M1 Carbine was meant to be.
Factor in not always stellar wartime of WW2 or Korean War era cartridge manufacturing quality control?
And it's no wonder .30 M1 Carbine got a bad reputation it truly didntķ deserve.
It's nice to see at least one U.S. company taking a new look at .30 M1 Carbine potential and coming up with a dedicated defense cartridge for it.
Now if only the other big ammo makers will take the hint and follow suit.
30 carbine is a nasty little round. I'd use it over an AR15 any day of the week for home defense.
Thats a bold statement trading 1900 fps from 3200. When using defense rounds, I'd stick with the AR.
@@OldSchoolParatrooper My dad was a BAR man at a place called Chosin during the Korean fight, but he did use the carbine from time to time. The carbine jammed in the cold while the BAR never did. He died just last year, and he still felt bad about all the Chinese boys he had to kill with his BAR. They were just kids, he said. Some of them had no guns, and some had American weapons. Some BAR guys liked killing, but my dad never did. It was war-time, and he did what he was ordered to do. RIP pops.
If you are at war and shoot someone and miss or hit them in a bad place so they keep coming it is easier on the ego to claim its the bullets fault.
apparently, it will leave a mark.
Been owning one for years. Killed some deer and hogs. Lost some deer too. Quit hunting with it and just like owning it. Mine is vintage ww2. Tried different ammo. Had as little as six inch penetration on deer at close range. Did shoot one in the rump and it exited in front his shoulder breaking the shoulder and 4 ribs. All cheap ammo. I found powder charges inconsistent. But if you want to sell yours cheap I'll buy it. They're great rifles and spread democracy world wide. You be your own judge
It will keel
Well to take and compare M1 carbine to a m4 is ridiculous. The M1 is a weapon of war, just like the M4. One is 3100fps. The other is 1900fps. One close range, the other long range.
Stagger rounds, 1 Horny & 1 fmj, best of both worlds, hole in hole out, no more problems. 👌👍😎
I would buy a modern sporting rifle chambered in 30 carbine if someone made one.
I think that anyone who gets hit with a 30, might have a really bad day.
Good
The Ballistics of the M1 carbine are pretty decent, would do well as a home defense firearm with the proper ammo. Of course though you bring up the fact that in Korea many battles took place at great distances where the 30 carbine cartridge was ineffective. The 30 carbine cartridge is only effective upto around 200 yards and that is why it isn't a good choice for GI, GI need a rifle more like the M1 garand that will carry muzzle energy upto at least 600 yards. Keep in mind that the ammo was also quite different from modern ammo.
The US Army said the max effective range at 250 yards
in it's training manuals and on the ranges proved correct. Just saying you underestimate it.
I give it a thumbs up.
I'd use it for deer.
Was that a pile o horseshit at the end ?
Simple solution, stagger your rounds. Ball/hp
I love my carbine..................
I'd guess they'd hurt about the same.
It honestly didn't surprise me. I am glad you liked the video.
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If you are going to make a video, do where no one is shooting.
What an idiotic question. It killed shit-loads people in 3 major wars.
baddass
Those heavy clothing stories were told by people who had poor aim.
Such a weak round. Only 1000 ft-lbs of energy.
.357 Magnum is FAR more powerful, generating about 600 ft-lbs.
Very close to the 556 in power
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The ball ammo was designed to penetrate light armor in war time, not to hunt deer with. Duhhhhhh. For battle, give me the FMJ every time..
32-20 on steroids.
If you really want to see what it would do to get you some Full Metal Jacket ammunition from World War II it will go through 12 in of pine
Good video