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Old good days, back then where hardware and game companies, were actually makin efforts to produce quality products and become known as professionals, something that today, does not apply, where easy profit has become No1 factor, that's why we saw very good games around 1985-2005.
Good lord seeing all those old agp radeons brings back some amazing memories of my old gaming systems from my younger years, I just love seeing you put this cards through their strengths on various titles and am quite envious of your collection!! Definitely a new subscriber for you, Well done and keep up the content!
Yeah, I remember when I have old voodoo that I don't remember the model and i see reference 1950xt on a magazine, I search it and just 1year later I find one to buy, sadly I don't have more this, but take me best memories
Budeš jednou zodpovědný za můj finanční krach :-) Taky jsem kdysi sbíral hardware, hlavně grafiky. Měl i pár velice zajímavých kousků. Potom, vnitřně naplněn, jsem je rozprodal. Pak na mě vybafnul tvůj kanál a mám opět bolení hlavy. Některé kusy se dnes už hodně špatně shání.
I still can't believe i just scored an X850 XT that works, for as cheap as I did. Definitely going to have to keep an eye out for a compatible cooler replacement for it.
I installed an HIS Radeon X1650 into a computer. I installed a Radeon X1650 Pro to a Pentium 4 HT Socket 478 machine clocked at 2.6 Ghz. I thought that it was a Radeon X1950 at first glance. The system is a business grade machine an HP Compaq D530 Convertible Minitower. The power supply is a 420W Antec power supply that I obtained with the card. Anyone who knows anything about these Business grade HP Compaq machines knows that the major hurdle with these machines is getting a power supply that fits the screw holes which this power supply almost does.
4coredual is a great board for playing around with agp stuff! i also like the asrock am2nf3-vsta with agp which supports am3 cpus up to phenom II x4 980 but sadly you can only run win xp on that board
Oh,my precocious Sapphire X1950 pro, with that screaming cooler!! And ,totaly inadequate one!! Replaced it with an Akasa one. The cooler survived,but the Radeon wasn't... Maybe,just maybe i'll be able to find him....
back in the day these were new, I remember having gone through about six RMA's of a 9800 Pro from ATI itself, because each successive one was worse than the last, none of them fixed the problems I was having with KOTOR, and even with literally reformatting and reinstalling windows fresh for every monthly driver release, I couldn't get Half Life 2 to perform as well on the same resolution and settings as the benchmark data would imply, even when I had a faster CPU and more RAM than the site's test system. At the time I *finally* got upgraded in an RMA to a 512MB X1600 pro, which did work... until it abruptly died right after the "refurbished" warranty ended. In desperation, I bought the only thing I could afford.. an HD 3650 AGP, which itself was basically BSOD'ing in windows all the damn time, and refused to accept the stock Radeon drivers no matter how many times or from how many sources I would install from. Literally, my only relief, was later getting an nvidia 6600GT from BFG. It might not have benchmarked as high, but it actually effing worked until I was able to upgrade to a PCI-E based system.
The Ati X1800 had 16 Pixel Pipelines. Then they switched to the Unified shader model and the 2600 XT had 120 cores. How to compare them? to understand the power difference
I have an AGP HIS X850XTPE. I bought it to play half life 2 at 60 FPS which it did very easily on a pentium 4 @ 2.6 when I upgraded to a athlon x2 4800 the FPS almost doubled My 1950pro had issues with unreal tournament 3 and bare got 30fps yet the x850 got upto 70fps. Weird. Also most cooler on GPU back then wer utter shite
Great video. I appreciate the time you take to do all of this. I can't wait to compare these numbers to some of the Gforce 6 parts and perhaps the 7800GS agp. Is the 4x pci link on this board a huge bottleneck? or does it allow for a good comparison to some pci e cards?
Really cool. I tried making a build with an Athlon 64 3200+ and an ATI Radeon x800 GTO AGP card. The thing that bothered me was the GPU fan, it's quite loud and makes an annoying sound, I see that many cards in this video do the same. I don't remember GPUs being this loud in the past but it has been a very long time so I might be wrong. Does anyone know other options of making the build more silent? Or do I have to buy a fan that has a dedicated speed controller?
@RETRO Hardware you should Test with TIME Shift cause that game was made for stuff that you do for testing Hardware to their limits and after you finished the game you will get your results but ofcorse you will not finish it with every single card but just enter and check FPS's with it cause its a Allround Graphics Technology that game has the best textures in the WORLD Check it you will love it
@@IronicTonic8 I'm listening buddy, I have seen molex and pcie connectors. it's just the floppy connector what got me. I have a xfx 680i Lt socket 775 and that has a molex on the motherboard for PCI cards that needs "extra power".
The not widely released Voodoo 6000 had its own sort of external PSU (basically a grand-daddy ancestor to those E-power boards we see now for extreme overclocks) because even the single molex they provided the Voodoo 5500 wasn't exactly trusted to power four discrete VSA100 video chips. ATI used the floppy connector first with the Radeon 9500 and 9700 cards. It didn't last terribly long probably because floppy drives were still kind of needed then, and one was lucky to even have two of those without the need of an adapter. So while it was probably great for ergonomic reasons, it was crazy inconvenient when a good majority of the install base likely had to share that connector with the actual floppy drive the system needed at times to function.
Hi. I have a question. I own old pc, nortwood pentium 4 is what the mobo supports. Also it supports 2GB of ram, my question is, what is the best gpu I should buy ? Agp x8 , 256 MB vram.
@@talvisota327 Not sure about word ineffective , but sure about loud. Blower style coolers were pretty much "standard" and the sound is still the same even nowadays on several blower cards.
Funciona en muchas tarjetas actuales, pero de las antiguas no puedo decir lo mismo. Las tarjetas de la era X1000/HD2XXX/HD3XXX y sus contemporáneas de nVidia, eran diseñadas con solo el calor como factor y si, algunas sonaban así incluso recién salidas de la caja
Ahh, I remember this time in my pc gaming life... painfully, however. After my first 9800 Pro died because of Doom 3, from that point I went through six straight RMA's. the first five of which were just 9800 pro swaps which went from Samsung memory to Hynix memory. ATI refused to admit there was a problem, but all of them were markedly terrible. Not just in game compatibility, but well, flat out even being stable at clocks I was already enjoying with the original unit. Even when all else was equal, the Hynix based 9800 Pro's all performed worse than the Samsung equipped unit did in Half Life 2, which is hilarious because the benchmarks I based my purchase of the card on, were using a test system that had less RAM and a slower CPU than I had at the time. I had to press on this for them to finally consider letting me get a different model. In the end, I received an X1600 Pro, which, while fast enough to comfortably run the game, died conveniently after the refurb warranty ran out on the card. Needless to say, when it was still ATI, I hated the Radeon brand with a passion.
many 9800 cards died back then especially in cases with bad airflow... that card just needed an aftermarket cooler like the ati silencer to get a sufficient cooling
@@talvisota327 i had the arctic silencer, not unlike what was on the HIS brand card in this video. The problem was that drivers were especially terrible. OpenGL performance especially was terrible; even worse than the GeForce FX series, which is saying something. ATI promised endlessly about having a driver that would finally fix it for all. But basically, unless you had an x800 series or newer, they didn't care about you by then. Sadly, now with RDNA on the 5700XT finally addressing the weaknesses of GCN, i expect the FineWine to finally peter out for the architecture. The radeon group is famous for just flat out dropping driver support earlier and more often than nvidia. That they held on to GCN for this long is a surprise to me.
Jorge Ramos I don’t get it. You were talking about cards drying on you...When someone told you about a solution, you then switched to the driver issues. Just admit that you are an an nVidia fanboy. End of story.Why don’t you tell how the whole nVidia 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx series were a nightmare and chips were just dying from overheating.
It isn't the X360 GPU. The Xenos had unified shader achitecture, the R500 didn't. The first ATi GPU (for PC) with unified shader architecture was the R600 line (HD2000). Not to mention the Xenos was a twin-chip design.
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Great viedo! Are you running the current Steam version of HL2 in your tests?
I have this HL on my HDD for long time like backup without steam access.
Your style of video is great, stick to it, as long as the videos are, they're extremely entertaining to watch.
Old good days, back then where hardware and game companies, were actually makin efforts to produce quality products and become known as professionals, something that today, does not apply, where easy profit has become No1 factor, that's why we saw very good games around 1985-2005.
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Good lord seeing all those old agp radeons brings back some amazing memories of my old gaming systems from my younger years,
I just love seeing you put this cards through their strengths on various titles and am quite envious of your collection!!
Definitely a new subscriber for you, Well done and keep up the content!
Yeah, I remember when I have old voodoo that I don't remember the model and i see reference 1950xt on a magazine, I search it and just 1year later I find one to buy, sadly I don't have more this, but take me best memories
I had a case of love and hate with my Saphire x1950xt back then. It was a good performer but literally loud as vaccum cleaner.
Indeed.
Mated it with an Akasa cooler.
Motherboard asrock, with VIA. Windows XP. Real nostalgia.
Having that monster of CPU sure made the difference on most test.
Budeš jednou zodpovědný za můj finanční krach :-) Taky jsem kdysi sbíral hardware, hlavně grafiky. Měl i pár velice zajímavých kousků. Potom, vnitřně naplněn, jsem je rozprodal. Pak na mě vybafnul tvůj kanál a mám opět bolení hlavy. Některé kusy se dnes už hodně špatně shání.
The x850xt was my first gpu. While I'm an nvida guy now, that card was ok for my uses back then
I still can't believe i just scored an X850 XT that works, for as cheap as I did. Definitely going to have to keep an eye out for a compatible cooler replacement for it.
Jsem zanícený Nvidiař,ale tohle je nádherná sbírka Radeonú,do některých modelú jsem se taky kdysi zamiloval a některé kousky mám taky doma.
From the sound of it I thought you were trying out new vacuum cleaners, but then I looked and it were actually GPUs!
I installed an HIS Radeon X1650 into a computer. I installed a Radeon X1650 Pro to a Pentium 4 HT Socket 478 machine clocked at 2.6 Ghz. I thought that it was a Radeon X1950 at first glance. The system is a business grade machine an HP Compaq D530 Convertible Minitower. The power supply is a 420W Antec power supply that I obtained with the card. Anyone who knows anything about these Business grade HP Compaq machines knows that the major hurdle with these machines is getting a power supply that fits the screw holes which this power supply almost does.
4coredual is a great board for playing around with agp stuff! i also like the asrock am2nf3-vsta with agp which supports am3 cpus up to phenom II x4 980 but sadly you can only run win xp on that board
Как же я обожаю старые видеокарты ❤
hd 3850 agp is fastest agp card and hd 3870 agp with ddr4 that was never released
Will see in future parts :-)
hd 4670 is fastest
@@krofmenld3779 Nope, because of GDDR2 instead of GDDR3, and cut video memory bandwidth. HD 3850 is the fastest AGP card ever.
@@krofmenld3779 how?
@@SteelyGlow There is a model of HD4670 that uses DDR3. The HIs ICEQ 4670 1GB DDR3 AGP.
Oh,my precocious Sapphire X1950 pro, with that screaming cooler!!
And ,totaly inadequate one!!
Replaced it with an Akasa one.
The cooler survived,but the Radeon wasn't...
Maybe,just maybe i'll be able to find him....
Great video. I used to have a Radeon x1650 Pro and x1950 pro: D
HIS ICEQ 3 is my favorite card cooler
That powercolor card with a arctic heatsink was dead silent. No surprise there.
There's something ASMRish about that squishy keyboard sound
Pablo Picasso Edition thats Good :D
I stil have the Hercules 9700pro and Asus x800pro
I fucking lol'd @ Dr Kleiner's speech in the intro. Thanks for the reminder that I should install HL2EP1 again.
Nice comparison as always - thanks champ I hope to see more retro. Interesting to see the p3 xeon do some work 💪
I'am planning some videos with servers.
damn those noisy fans... was no problem for me 10+ years ago but nowadays i couldnt live with that anymore, i got used to having a quiet system
all the katyusha from the junkyard in one place
You could benefit a lot from the flexibility option when running on Auto! In most Asrock boards, it always leaves speeds at SPD highest frecuency!
back in the day these were new, I remember having gone through about six RMA's of a 9800 Pro from ATI itself, because each successive one was worse than the last, none of them fixed the problems I was having with KOTOR, and even with literally reformatting and reinstalling windows fresh for every monthly driver release, I couldn't get Half Life 2 to perform as well on the same resolution and settings as the benchmark data would imply, even when I had a faster CPU and more RAM than the site's test system. At the time I *finally* got upgraded in an RMA to a 512MB X1600 pro, which did work... until it abruptly died right after the "refurbished" warranty ended.
In desperation, I bought the only thing I could afford.. an HD 3650 AGP, which itself was basically BSOD'ing in windows all the damn time, and refused to accept the stock Radeon drivers no matter how many times or from how many sources I would install from.
Literally, my only relief, was later getting an nvidia 6600GT from BFG. It might not have benchmarked as high, but it actually effing worked until I was able to upgrade to a PCI-E based system.
Oh God the XT blower. Loud at sounds like a vacum
ekran kartlarında tarih kokusu var nostaji olmuş oldu good güzeldi
this kit is awesome man,best motherbord for agp cards,top top
Nice work man!
супер. спасибо!
The Ati X1800 had 16 Pixel Pipelines.
Then they switched to the Unified shader model
and the 2600 XT had 120 cores.
How to compare them? to understand the power difference
Old video cards = Take off jets. But, it's normal....fan spins already at full speed to cool down the gpu.
Looks like it's time to bake some cards heheh
I have an AGP HIS X850XTPE. I bought it to play half life 2 at 60 FPS which it did very easily on a pentium 4 @ 2.6 when I upgraded to a athlon x2 4800 the FPS almost doubled
My 1950pro had issues with unreal tournament 3 and bare got 30fps yet the x850 got upto 70fps. Weird.
Also most cooler on GPU back then wer utter shite
Great video. I appreciate the time you take to do all of this. I can't wait to compare these numbers to some of the Gforce 6 parts and perhaps the 7800GS agp. Is the 4x pci link on this board a huge bottleneck? or does it allow for a good comparison to some pci e cards?
for older cards it will be fine but faster, more modern cards will be limited quite a lot
Really cool. I tried making a build with an Athlon 64 3200+ and an ATI Radeon x800 GTO AGP card. The thing that bothered me was the GPU fan, it's quite loud and makes an annoying sound, I see that many cards in this video do the same. I don't remember GPUs being this loud in the past but it has been a very long time so I might be wrong. Does anyone know other options of making the build more silent? Or do I have to buy a fan that has a dedicated speed controller?
I lile this chanel
those where high end cards at that times
Great cards .
@RETRO Hardware you should Test with TIME Shift cause that game was made for stuff that you do for testing Hardware to their limits and after you finished the game you will get your results but ofcorse you will not finish it with every single card but just enter and check FPS's with it cause its a Allround Graphics Technology that game has the best textures in the WORLD Check it you will love it
I've never seen a floppy or molex power connector on a gpu before, interesting stuff!
Molex and Floppy power connectors were the normal method of powering a GPU before PCI-E existed (during the AGP era, about 2004 and older).
@@IronicTonic8 I'm listening buddy, I have seen molex and pcie connectors. it's just the floppy connector what got me.
I have a xfx 680i Lt socket 775 and that has a molex on the motherboard for PCI cards that needs "extra power".
The not widely released Voodoo 6000 had its own sort of external PSU (basically a grand-daddy ancestor to those E-power boards we see now for extreme overclocks) because even the single molex they provided the Voodoo 5500 wasn't exactly trusted to power four discrete VSA100 video chips.
ATI used the floppy connector first with the Radeon 9500 and 9700 cards. It didn't last terribly long probably because floppy drives were still kind of needed then, and one was lucky to even have two of those without the need of an adapter. So while it was probably great for ergonomic reasons, it was crazy inconvenient when a good majority of the install base likely had to share that connector with the actual floppy drive the system needed at times to function.
Some agp cards won't post with quad core cpus on this.board
Probably the first gpu,s with a controlled Fan?
"couple of cards" there to test ^^
I've got ATi Radeon X1600 Pro.
What would be the best card from 1999/2000 in your opinion? I have a GF4 4200ti project to build at the moment, was there something stronger?
I like X1950Pro
Am I crazy or the top card actually has a peltier cooling????? X1950 XT "peltier" duh
how does the radeon X700 pro AGP stack up against the radeon x1600 pro/X1650 pro agp?
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Hi. I have a question. I own old pc, nortwood pentium 4 is what the mobo supports. Also it supports 2GB of ram, my question is, what is the best gpu I should buy ? Agp x8 , 256 MB vram.
Some of those cards have very weird cooler designs
yeah i liked it... nowadays all cards look basically the same
@@talvisota327 Indeed, but coolers have improved
@@StaticVapour590 true... back then most gpu coolers were loud and ineffective apart from a few designs like HIS iceq coolers
@@talvisota327 Not sure about word ineffective , but sure about loud. Blower style coolers were pretty much "standard" and the sound is still the same even nowadays on several blower cards.
Clean ur graphics cards, give them love & fix that x800xt
kann i have the msi ati radeon 1950 x the GPU is wos my first gpu
CON UNA GOTA DE ACEITE DE MAQUINA DE COSER EN EL RODAMIENTO DEL VENTILADOR QUITARIAS ESOS RUIDOS Y IRIA MAS FLUIDO
Funciona en muchas tarjetas actuales, pero de las antiguas no puedo decir lo mismo.
Las tarjetas de la era X1000/HD2XXX/HD3XXX y sus contemporáneas de nVidia, eran diseñadas con solo el calor como factor y si, algunas sonaban así incluso recién salidas de la caja
an amd xp 3000+ (my oldie rig) is pretty weak for an x850xt, right?
Is part 5 still coming?
What are your oldest components?
What psus are you useing
For testing several random pieces 500W+.
Ahh, I remember this time in my pc gaming life... painfully, however. After my first 9800 Pro died because of Doom 3, from that point I went through six straight RMA's. the first five of which were just 9800 pro swaps which went from Samsung memory to Hynix memory. ATI refused to admit there was a problem, but all of them were markedly terrible. Not just in game compatibility, but well, flat out even being stable at clocks I was already enjoying with the original unit. Even when all else was equal, the Hynix based 9800 Pro's all performed worse than the Samsung equipped unit did in Half Life 2, which is hilarious because the benchmarks I based my purchase of the card on, were using a test system that had less RAM and a slower CPU than I had at the time. I had to press on this for them to finally consider letting me get a different model. In the end, I received an X1600 Pro, which, while fast enough to comfortably run the game, died conveniently after the refurb warranty ran out on the card.
Needless to say, when it was still ATI, I hated the Radeon brand with a passion.
many 9800 cards died back then especially in cases with bad airflow... that card just needed an aftermarket cooler like the ati silencer to get a sufficient cooling
@@talvisota327 i had the arctic silencer, not unlike what was on the HIS brand card in this video. The problem was that drivers were especially terrible. OpenGL performance especially was terrible; even worse than the GeForce FX series, which is saying something. ATI promised endlessly about having a driver that would finally fix it for all. But basically, unless you had an x800 series or newer, they didn't care about you by then.
Sadly, now with RDNA on the 5700XT finally addressing the weaknesses of GCN, i expect the FineWine to finally peter out for the architecture. The radeon group is famous for just flat out dropping driver support earlier and more often than nvidia. That they held on to GCN for this long is a surprise to me.
Jorge Ramos I don’t get it. You were talking about cards drying on you...When someone told you about a solution, you then switched to the driver issues. Just admit that you are an an nVidia fanboy. End of story.Why don’t you tell how the whole nVidia 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx series were a nightmare and chips were just dying from overheating.
My ASUS x1300 died because of Need for Speed Underground 2
i had a x800 pro @ xt-pe mod.... never mind :)
MAN, you have the X 1950 XT, you have on your hard the Xbox 360 GPU ;-;
It isn't the X360 GPU. The Xenos had unified shader achitecture, the R500 didn't. The first ATi GPU (for PC) with unified shader architecture was the R600 line (HD2000). Not to mention the Xenos was a twin-chip design.
Masakr ta grafická karta, kterou vlastnil nějaký kuřák. Spousta lidí si bohužel neuvědomuje, že přes počítač se filtruje veškerý vzduch v místnosti.
Jo je to hnuj :-)
Do you have a Ati Radeon x850xt AGP You’d be willing to sell?
3 guy who like glue set dislike
Roberto Rodriguse
Whats with so many cards not posting?
Back to box :-)
RETRO Hardware he was asking what is the problem with so many cards not posting.
I need agp 512 Vga
His iceq3 looks droped
Skusal si ten modifikovany xeon do socketu 775. su lepsie ako najsilnejsie core cpu
Nejake tu mam, ale jen slabe modely. Ty co se vyrovnaji tomuto si drzi cenu a nema smysl je zatim naskladnovat.
Yeah! Xeon x5492 will beat Intel Core Quad Extreme QX 9650
Pibablo picasa one has bad ram agp cards dont refuse to boot with bad ram just display distorted imagry
Agp cards more stable than pci-e range 1x to 16x...
I only have x1550 256mb AGP. So jelous...
Me too! I still have a Sapphire one that uses a floppy connector for external power. I bought it brand new in early 2007...
Smoking is the most filthy habit ever. Good luck in getting rid of that disgusting smell.
Is there an email address where I can contact you? I really need some help in finishing a 775 platform. Thanks.
only FB
@@RETROHardware I don't have a fb account :(.
i bet 1/2 the cards that don't post will post if you oven bake them at 320c for 10 miniutes.
Not best work of Pablo Picasso 😁
Hey can u giveway any gpu
Go out and buy one you cheap git!
Lol u are in gpu heavan
Ty jsi Čech ze mas hry v češtině
jo
@@RETROHardware Tak to dávám odběr a zvoneček
Dik :-)
Could you send me one of those GPUs? I have even slower,hah.
Ahoj, nevadí, že jsem Tě zmínil ve videu? :) ruclips.net/video/qzkg8_QNDsQ/видео.html
Zdar, nevadi :-)
I wouldn't call these retro. I mean even for the oldest cards, the people who born when they released aren't even adults yet.
Cool!
That's my way:
Radeon LE 32Mb
Radeon 9000 Pro 64Mb
Radeon 9600 Pro 128Mb
Radeon X800XT 256Mb (Flash in X800XT PE)
Radeon HD2900XT 512Mb
Radeon HD2900XT 1024Mb
Radeon HD3870 1024Mb
Radeon HD4870 2GB
Radeon HD7970 6Gb
Radeon RX580 4Gb
Radeon RX590 8Gb
Radeon RX6800 16Gb
...