Wing Commander: Midway Class Heavy Carrier | Ship Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2024
- Spacedock breaks down the experimental Midway Class Heavy Carrier, as seen in Wing Commander Prophecy.
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No, the dry mass does not make sense. Yes, it is canon.
Just thought i'd head the hundreds of commenters off at the pass.
Nice.
But what if... it's made of foam?
Consider me headed off. Though it did lead to me envisioning the ship being water-landed at some point.
Maybe they meant unloaded. Also 200,000 tons is fantastically light for a ship over a mile long.
Heya, what happened to your video on the Thunderbolt fighter from Babylon 5? Seems to be gone.
Damn, I miss Wing Commander. You know you're old when you thought this was the greatest game since Elite.
KesselRunner606 You know you’re old if you REMEMBER Elite (or Commodore computers). My college roommate had one of those. I only had a Texas Instruments 99-4A.
Lol, when you remember the Adam...
Have you played rebel galaxy outlaw? I just got it and it reminds me of privateer. A lot.
Thanks to GoG i'm reliving my youth with this game. It's the whole thing so far. I haven't reached WC2 yet so i'm not sure if the speech packs are present, but the rest is, including WC1's historical slowdown showing more than 2 ships on the screen XD
What about Freespace?
finally, the ship that started my obsession with gigantic capital ships at a very young age
Wing commander is certainly an unexpected surprise, though definitely a welcome one, I havent heard about wing commander in years!
Confinement and isolation had Daniel getting creative with his requests for ship breakdowns. This one probably amused him.
It pains me to remember how much I loved the franchise and the fact that I forgot I haven't played it in what 20 years?
Hah! I'm painting up 3D printed Wing Commander ships now!
I watched my dad play this game when I was 4 years old. To this day I still do a playthrough every 2/3 years. Its just that good!
Same here! Still love the old WC!
I remember the "Privateer" game, which was an offshoot of the Wing Commander series! I loved that!
Another long-ago but still loved series to explore would be "Space: Above and Beyond".
Random Coyote I played Privateer and it’s expansion Righteous Fire. Loved the atmosphere, music and freedom in the sandbox of the Gemini Sector. Pity the sequel had nothing to do with the initial game.
@@ankhmorpok1497 The whole Privateer 2 having nothing to do with the original game still stings. The only plus is the FMV was kinda cool.
yeah.. I used to play that game as well. Spent most of my time trading. Sure, the Centurion looked neat and all, but I liked the Galaxy more - for obvious reasons.
God I love that series
Privateer was a great game! A few HD remakes out there based on the Vegastrike Engine! Over 10 years old but still very good. (LIKE the Freespace 2 engine!)
As to Space:A&B, its axing was a TRAVESTY for TV militaristic scifi!
Glad to see you're not neglecting the old school stuff.
Wait a second. 1,800 meters? And only 200,000 tons? What is it made of? Styrofoam? Smoke?
Statfudgium ^^
Plot-onium
Cardboard
Unicorn fiber mesh and platinum/nickel alloy armor.
Solidified fairy blood.
'How do we make the ship look cool?'
Easy, make it look like a giant sword
It worked on Star Wars, with the Venator.
Or a gun
I always thought it looked like giant pants. However, I loved the games!
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I've got no idea what Wing Commander's all about, but gosh is the Midway a gorgeous boat. Definitely lives up to her predecessor, CV-41.
I actually posses one of the leather flight jackets seen being worn by Steven Petrarca / Lt Casey around 3:08 in this video, although mine is the one that was worn by Tom WIlson / Maniac. I won it in a scifi.com online lottery back when Wing Commander: Prophecy came out in the late 90's. It's enormous -- Tom must be a big guy whereas I'm more normal-sized. It even had a couple of pages of the script still stuffed in one of the pockets.
Well, remember, this is Biff Tannen we're talking about here lol
Vampires! 'Nuff said.
No, seriously, thank you for covering this beautiful ship. I think the Midway is an awesome design, and playing WC Prophecy was a blast.
man I really miss the Wing Commander universe, I had a lot of fun with it. I hope one day it gets brought back as this ship was from the final game. I always liked the design of all the ships in this universe and glad to see it here on Spacedock.
Well getting games people actually want from EA is difficult, but if Star Citizen works out and other dev studio's make use of the modified Lumberyard engine they produced, who knows, maybe we'll get Wing Commander MMO's, StarWars MMO's, and who knows what else ^^
Maybe even get some Stargate action ^^
Download Wing Commander Saga.
Wing commander Saga is a fan game set at the same time as WC3
@@invidofinp1828 Sorry the Midway isn't part of Saga. You get a WC3 era capship, but you do get to fly around the Behemoth some.
@@Skaarjy Yeah, the Midway was from Prophecy which takes place 12 years after WC3
The actual U.S.S. Midway built in late WWII was also originally classed as a CVB, or Battlecarrier. It was much larger and better armored then its predessessors of the Essex Class. With several refits and design changes,, the Midway class ships served in active service till the mid 1990s.
i so LOVED the Wing Commander games. I wish they could bring them back remastered.
Squadron 42 part of Star Citizen is essentially a remake of Wing Commander if it ever gets completed
@@aquamonkee LOL! DON'T hold your breath with Star Scammerzen! You'll no doubt suffocate!
I mean, the current alpha builds basically have it has a working mmo with limited content
@@aquamonkee "if it ever gets completed" That's the rub. All I wanted was Squadron 42 and we can't even get that.
Anyone else would love to have Oryx's Dreadrought covered?
There's so much history and lore behind that unholy behemoth
As much as I’d love to see that, a lot of that ship’s actual specs and capabilities are either completely unknown or not well defined. We still don’t even know how big the thing is! In all the art it’s shown as being so massive it’s clearly visible from Titan, but also small enough to fit within Saturn’s rings - even after it blows a hole in them.
I love Destiny, but the scaling in that universe makes no sense
@@Dorian_Kellum The thing is unimaginably powerful and resilient. Even the Cabal ship that rammed it did virtually nothing. It has it's own godamned plane of existence inside it.
@@QuietB4 It almost doesn't even qualify as a ship, more like a mobile pocket dimension with a hull around it
Shrimp Rider exactly.
@@Dorian_Kellum you can work out it's rough size based on a comparison to the width of Saturn's rings.
The hole the dred makes in the rings is (very roughly) about 25,000km in diameter, so I'd make the dred at about 4000km long, maybe 500km high. Very roughly.
Awesome. Great to see Wing Commander getting more love.
I always enjoyed the Midway most of all the Wing Commander carrier classes.
While I'm with Daniel in his (justified) abhorrence of "battleships with full air wings" the other Confed Carriers always felt like completely defenseless cardboard boxes full of strike craft.
To me, the Midway found the sensible balance a military designer would look for of a carrier that wasn't a front-line center-formation combatant, but was more than capable of winning a fair(ish) fight or surviving long enough for its airwing to do the job and pull its fat from the fire.
Vesuvius class for me, but the conning towers across the board make zero sense!
@@aquamonkee Vesuvius was based on the Victory, which was based on modern carrier islands. In the case of Victory, the primary command and control areas, CIC, and crew, support, and pilot living areas are stacked on top of each other like a skyscraper. Flight deck is laid out like a modern carrier, the hangars directly below, fuel and munitions below that. Engineering at the lowest levels. Vesuvius would have been a nice design if it were a bit sleeker, have super-fire turrets in addition to its broadside heavy weapons. She really should have been built dividing it's (double) flight deck in half and integrated armored blast doors forward, aft, and amidship. Conspicuously absent from Vesuvius is the devastating flak guns/cannons that could down any ship in short order. She should have had fewer heavy broadside cannons in favor of long-range rapid fire lasers, gatling mass drivers, and high-power flak batteries. Vesuvius also has no anti fighter missile capability nor ballistic missile defense. Given the existence of "skipper" antiship missiles. This is also curious. Vesuvius is plenty wide to incorporate lateral launch tubes for compact fleet defense interceptors and maybe a couple for multi-role fighters. The Midway has a healthy balance between her independent launch and recovery systems, doesn't go overboard on the armor and heavy weapons, but does have the endurance, range, strike/defence capability. and survivability of a good fleet carrier. I'm not sure what the Midway's long-range ion cannons would have brought that should be handled by destroyers and cruisers. If they were anything like the hideous Plunkett's artillery, they would punch through Capital ships hulls or down a fighter in one shot.
@@aquamonkee Also, if you redesigned the Harrier class, sleeker, more point-defense weapons, put a few launch bays, and closed the flight bay with armored doors, the light carrier would have been perfect for most threats.
What's interesting is practically every Confederation carrier we see has some anti-ship weapons. The movie revealed that the Bengal Tigers like the Tiger's Claw carry torpedoes. The Confederation class was a dreadnought complete with Battleship grade weaponry. The escort carriers had torpedo tubes. The pre-war Ranger-class light carriers had anti-ship missiles. The only Confederation carriers I know of that aren't confirmed as having internal anti-ship weapons as the Cpncordia class and the Lexington class. But I think the Lexingtons had anti-ship missiles in Armada and even if they didn't its unlikely they lacked anti-ship weapons given that the prototype was essentially sent on the kind of mission Midway was intended for. (Deep behind enemy lines alone)
@@roguerifter9724 They pretty much do. Many of the ships were designed during a time when fighters were unable to penetrate capital ship shields. The phase shield technology continued to evolve and fighter munitions got heavier and more sophisticated (on the high end) while cheaper dumb fire munitions were used for knocking down turrets and slowly maneuvering fighters. The sleek, new escort carrier mentioned in Heart of the Tiger may have only had turreted lasers. The Saga Mod folks may have used this mention as inspiration for their Harrier-class. I believe those had cruise missile launchers.
Lexington and Shiraak simply had oversized flak guns which would force the two ships to either retreat or jump past each other if they were to meet without any bombers present. The reason they didn't have antiship weapons was they were heavily automated independent carriers. They grew their own food, recycling everything, and still performed flight operations. They built and maintained their own craft, but also were used to assemble shipyards, mines, and fortresses. The phase shielding protecting their hulls was supposed to be proof against fighter weapons with the sole exception being torpedoes. The secrecy about the launch of those ships suggests they had orders to avoid any direct engagement save for destroying the enemy homeworld. One has to wonder how one ship could perform such a feat with fighters and flak guns.
My boi!. you, so so happy to see a video about the Midway, Wing Commander Prophecy was my first foray into fighter combat games as a kid and it holds a special place my heart.
Agh I fuggin' love the Midway. Great to see a video on it.
I loved this game when it came out. It was one of the last games I played on my 3Dfx card before moving to NVIDIA.
Ahhh, the memories... I had a VooDoo Banshee back then and Prophecy looked absolutely gorgeous with full Glide support. Nothing compared. I still have a working copy, but never played it again since Microsoft can't bother for decades to support my good old SideWinder Precision Pro. :(
Refreshing blast from my teen years. Loved all the FMV Wing Commander games. Hopefully Squadron 42/Star Citizen recaptures the magic. On a different note, would love to see a video covering the Macragge's Honour, or the Gloriana-class in general!
God Wing Commander: Prophecy was good.
You know what's funny about the design of the Midway class it looks like a person laying down with they're feet laying sideways.
I have a suggestion for a future video:
USS Saratoga from Space:Above and Beyond
PS love everything you do
YES! Thank you fellow S:AnB fan.
Other people are talking about the silly dry mass, but I'm thinking 20 Meters of armor plating? Even the UNSC Infinity only had 5 meters at its thickest point!
And the Midway probably only has 5 meters at its thickest point, too. The Confederation measures armor as the _equivalent_ of the cheapest shit they have. So it could be one meter of unobtanium, but it's the _equivalent_ of 20 meters of steel. (EDIT: Actually, if they were still using isometal, it would've been just 50 cm... only half a meter.)
Nice use of the Wing Commander movie's fanfare. It wasn't much of a Wing Commander, but it was a good standalone movie that got me interested in Wing Commander proper. Thanks for including the black sheep of the family.
*MORE* Wing Commander _please_ !!!
252 fighters on a ship that's well over a mile long actually seems like a tiny complement. A US supercarrier that's around 350 meters long today carries somewhere between 70-100 aircraft depending on the mission. This seems to be another case of fiction writers underestimating just how absolutely colossal mile long ships would be. Even if we assume that this ship requires a lot of space for things like jump drives or refineries for asteroid mining etc. it's silly to assume they wouldn't be able to fit at least 1000 fighters on there if they packed them as tight as the navy does.
Or you maybe ignoring the fact that the "fighters" themselves are bigger that an F14, Su-33 or even a RA-5C. I don't know what size the Wing Commander fighters are, maybe Daniel can chip in, but in the Warhammer 40K universe I remember they said the smallest was the size of a 747.
US carriers have a large capacity because they cram the deck with fighters rather than stowing them mostly internally (upside rapid launch, greater carrying capacity, downside slower retrieval, fighters are more vulnerable to damage, greater chance of fire or explosions damaging the ship). In space parking a load of fighters on a vacuum deck isn't very practical.
@@Emperorvalse The fighters were about as big as an f16, ranging from 12 to about 16 meters depending on the model. The bombers though... the Shrike was 28 meters long and the Devestator a whopping 36 meters! source: www.wcnews.com/ships/wcpconfed.shtml
I would guess they can support several times this number given the size is extreme compared to what modern carriers have
The Midway class was also supposed to have as significant marine expeditionary force capable of planetary assaults or ship to ship boarding actions.
Thank you for this video. I grew up playing this game and it's great to see the Midway in its own video. Can you do more of the fighters next?
I asked for this a long time ago, glad to see this up. A second part to this would be great adding in the technical breakdown of the various fighters. The Wasp was especially my favorite with it's single use boost engine that is jettisoned to make the fighter extremely nimble with almost as much sting as the Vampire.
Wasp interceptor! Boosted to 3000kps! FAST!
I plan on making a Star Wars Campaign for my DnD group and i absolutely love your star wars videos and use them to make my campaign immersive as hell, keep up the awesome work
Yes! We need more Wing Commander content, some really interesting designs to explore in that franchise
TCS MIDWAY!!! So many memories of that 3 disc game!
Nice love that you used the theme. Also I recommend the xgp15a2. Otherwise known as the outlaw star.
I loved Wing Commander prophecy. My only rage-fits when playing the game where when a friendly fighter would fly into the path of my missiles, cry that I was a a traitor and I'd get a Game Over. Sometimes happened when the Midway would be on the map and a few stray bullets would hit it while I was in mid-fire fight with a maneuverable fighter.
I've always been a sucker for rotating engines on starfighters like the F-109 Vampire. Always seemed practical and visually appealing.
Wow, I had totally forgotten about this ship.
And now it just seems like a Battlestar to me.
I love every bit of Wing Commander content you put out
Dude, I don't know how you do it but keep on doing it. Your videos are incredible!
Always love me some WC nostalgia. Hope to see more WC ships in the future. :)
Who else thought the Wing Commander movie was great because I wish they'd done a sequel.
Also, this ship looks like one of the new Star Wars ships, and I know this WC ship came first.
Don't think you'll be in the majority on the WC movie
@@aquamonkee Yeah I know, but have you ever seen the movie? That was a very well done video game movie.
@@ChrisTian-ed8ol It WAS very well done, however it was totally UNLIKE the computer game in looks or canon!! Consider WC The Movie, LIKE JJ's 'Star Trek', it's its own thing, with its own self contained canon, which does not interfere with the original!
Nice add of the movie's intro soundtrack. The best part of that movie.
Love it! Any old scifi ship breakdowns yall do rock!
Am I the only one who love the movie?.
I enjoyed the movie.
I... Wanted to. I think I liked some of the ideas of the movie more than the movie itself.
Yes...Yes you are. It was an abomination.
@@jonskowitz I did the same thing. Except I ignored the romance part. My favorite was probably that torpedo scene. Man that thing was scary.
I liked the fact that they MADE a movie, but it wasn't as good as it could have been.
I never actually played wing commander, but the cheezy movie has a special place in my heart and i did play starlancer.
Great to see more game stuff make an appearance on the channel. You guys need to do way more of these, I wanna start seeing more Freelancer and Homeworld stuff featured again. An episode on the Kushan Mothership or maybe the Kun-Laan from Cataclysm would be great!
After the Onager came out for Star Wars, i knew this ship had to be done XD
Thanks for doing a video on this ship. I always wanted to know more about it
That music was great to hear again! Classic
Thank you for getting into the WC universe. Loved these games growing up, please, do more!
This is an amazing ship! It makes since that A spaceship.. especially A warship- would be designed around redundent systems.. even those fighters are some of the best in sci- fi.. the way their' thruster nacelles gimbal to adjust and control like reaction control thrusters but very precise and none directional. The maglev fighter deployment systems are great, reflecting BSG, makes sense too because it's just A fast and reasonable way to deploy into space, and without floating the entire hanger bay along with it, and any extra, external momentum is greatly welcomed for A spaceship, especially A compact fighter.
Right on Dan..this is a cool game and universe in itself
Yes; more Wing Commander please!
YES!! More wing commander please! Not enough modern sci fi space shooters these days
Extremely welcomed surprise. I grew up playing a WC texted rpg and fell in love with these ships.
Would love to see some battletech ships. Series has more than just mechs.
I haven't seen this mentioned, but what caught me off guard was the 2000cm thick armor. That's like three story building at least. Maybe for or five.
SergeantPsycho yeah! 2000mm would be 2 meters thick and make sense. 2000cm is 20 meters or like 60 feet thick... and that would have to be on all sides.
I mean maybe that makes sense for a 1ish mike long ship?
The "2000cm" is an equivalent. The "standard" they use is durasteel, which is what they used at the start of the Kilrathi War. So it might only be 20 cm of handwavium, but it's the *equivalent* of 2000 cm of durasteel. That's how they measured it.
@@SpearM3064 Fair enough.
Ahh the Midway.... The Venator of the Wing Commander universe.
Thank you for covering this! Hope you are able to go back and do some Freespace/Freespace 2 ships again at some point as well!
I wish they would still made games like those
Not very likely. The art of storycrafting is becomeing more and more rare these days...
@@ranekeisenkralle8265 yeah it's a shame
@@stefank188 True. Which is in part why I still cherish oldschool pen&paper roleplaying games: Because you can craft entertaining stories with some friends which then may well produce anecdotes for years to come.
This is one of my favorite games of all time, awesome!
Please look into and cover ships from Descent: Freespace - The Great War, & Descent: Freespace 2.. ✌🏻
YES!
he did the orion destroyer ;)
Holy crap I never thought I'd see Wing Commander content
The ship that sparked my love for sci-fi space combat ^^
its time for a wing commander and star/free lancer remake.
Watch carefully, all those, who think that mega sized ships (all be it, this is still fairly small) are nonsense. This is such a ship made right.
Brings back memories. You should also do a vid on the fighters on-board the Midway too.
wow i am impressed you did this game's Super Ship.... After i played all the earlier Wing Comander games and Read All the books this Carrier slash Battleship was the first game or movie ship that brought the two ship concepts together into what you really felt was a Stand Alone fleet in one ship..... I wish the books and game could have continued that story.... The next chapter about why the Kilrathi were so desperate to finish off the humans because there was a Massive Unknown Alien threat coming in from the galaxy corewards..... So the Midway could of remained a Core ship but once the new threat came then fleets of carrier support ships would of been brought back into the mix to support the BattleCarriers in fighting the new threat....
Good idea to put the Wing Commander movie soundtrack into this video - it was the movie's best part.
This is one of my favorite ships! Wing Commander still is one of my favorite games.
I’m have never played wing commander but I love watching you breakdowns same deal with some other franchises you cover but I still love your videos
you should do a breakdown of the wing commander tiger claw
Long time coming. I was waiting for that for 1 year now
Excellent! I loved the Wing Commander and Privateer series! I wonder if you would consider doing the Robotech SDF-1 and Gen 1 Veritech Fighter?
I loved this game and used to play it a lot when I was unable to do much else, it was pretty hard though.
Wing Command a true and nearly forgotten gem I would love to see get a remaster makeover with modern day support and graphic while keeping the cutscenes as they where (just with higher quality imagery ofcause)
They ARE out there, if you look!
I wonder if this thing is really meant to have 2,000cm thick armour. That is a 20 metre thick hull. The wiki lists it as 2,000cm "equivalent" so my guess is that it is not actually 2,000cm thick but instead has the same protection as a 2,000cm thick conventional armour plate, or something along those lines. Kind of like how a nuclear bomb has a yield of a Kilotonne but it doesn't actually contain 1,000 tonnes of TNT.
This is exactly what is happening. It is the _equivalent_ of 2000cm of conventional armor.
Apparently in future Carriers travel alone without their asorted battle group escorts. Frigates & destroyers, supply ships, etc. Kinda vulnerable all by their lonesome self in the vastness of space, where Apparently filled with enemy battle groups that's hunting them to kill on sight.
Who would have ever known during the design phase that there might be an alien weapon that fits perfectly between hulls....
Excellent video!
and spacedock plays the music to Wing Commander movie....coool
Ahh nostalgia. Really nice video.
I hope you will do the Ark mechanicus Battleship soon
Great video and I really miss the old Tiger’s Claw.
Hi Dan, fan of your channel and big sci fi all around. Was wondering if you could create a video and go over the specs of the Longbow class patrol cruiser from the movie Serenity, aka Firefly, and the companion role playing game. I liked that class of ship and you always do a great job during your video tutorial on all star ship classes. Look forward to it. Thanks. Be safe, stay healthy and have a great day.
Loving the music, such a nostalgia bomb to the head.
The score to the WC movie was fantastic.
Wing Commander for Snes was the Bee's KNEES!!
God Im old!!!
I so forgot bout this series now I want to play wc3 and 5 agian.. Luv the vids
I love the design of the midway
Wow, that ship looks exactly like the new Onager-class Star destroyer
LOVED This video. Please do videos on the star ships of the Black Hole please.
I had forgotten about this game. Thanks for the nostalgia.
And the reminder of all the wasted hours.
Wing Commander!
EDIT: Also, was that the movie soundtrack in the background?
Yes.
Love these lesser known lore videos
USS Titan, Luna Class plz
The USS Saratoga from Space: Above And Beyond which ran from 1995 - 1996. !!!!!!!!!!
I love the movie music in the back
Epic can't wait to see the Vesuvius
If you're going old school then by god man, let's see some Descent: Freespace videos. Those ships are still some of the best designed I've ever seen.
SDF-1 please
Good work. Now do one on the weapons of Renegade Legion!
I would love for you to look into and cover ships from the Homeworld series. I love them so much