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@@jasonwalker9471 indeed. Haven't seen any updates lately, so I'm curious to know how it's doing. Especially since Templin just lost their primary speaker.
"We are creatures of duty, Captain... I have lived my life by it... Just one more duty to perform." - Romulan Commander, TOS Episode "Balance of Terror"
While I liked the quote at the beginning, I have to the say the Intro to the Romulan Empire faction from the game Star Trek: The Next Generation: Birth of the Federation described them best. "If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable." EDIT Intro below: ruclips.net/video/5zEGRO0lkAc/видео.html
No kidding, I loved TNG. 👍 Every time a D'Deridex showed up Captain Picard and everyone else on the bridge staff treated it as the worst possible threat short of a Borg vessel.
Your favorite? Someone has shit taste. We have the Vengeance, constitution, galaxy, akira, sovereign, Odyssey, and you chose the ugliest romulan warbird as your favorite? Jesus christ.
when this ship was first introduced in TNG, I was a bit in awe in how they revealed it, coming out of cloak to reveal a ship at least 2X Enterprise's size was like dayum it definitely earned it's notoriety during the rest of TNG's run and well into DS9.....
The angle of the shot made the Enterprise D look tiny in comparison but yeah the D'deridex was about 400 metres longer than the Galaxy class, about 70% longer.
@@CharlesUrban So in the Star Wars X-wing novels, something like this happens but in the reverse. A former Imperial turned warlord in command of a Super Star Destroyer is bringing the leaders of assorted pirate groups together for a major offensive coming soon. This warlord, Zsinj, invites their leaders to his bridge, where the crew working are just terrible. Heavily undisciplined, uniforms a mess, all of it. They seem like barely functioning jackasses. As it turns out, this was all a ruse, with the actual crew being terrifyingly effective and well drilled.
even well past DS9 this ship would be the pride of the Romulan fleet.... I don't count Picard part of canon cus it's set in the JJ universe, in the real universe Romulus was never destroyed, the real star trek universe still exists but we can't access it beyond the shows we already have until the Bad Reboot contract runs it's course and I swear CBS had best not reup that contract.....I know of an overlord who'd consider invading just to stop em.... you may have heard of him, Overlord DVD, AKA Overlord Dicktor Van Doomcock......
@@pendraco2000 no you deal with it, know what you're talking about before being an idiot, watch these.... How the Star Trek rights were divided between CBS and Paramount: ruclips.net/video/9n_zxsLocHE/видео.html Star Trek Discovery: The Prime Deception - CBS and Paramount Viacom Rights Explained ruclips.net/video/ojtX_Oz4WsU/видео.html --- for Star Trek to heal they need to annul the Bad Robot/Secret Hideout deal, fire Kurtzman and Chabon and burn STD & Picard then let it sit for 5 years, get the lawyers on it and decide how to go forward with Trek, where it'll be housed and who has the rights to do what with it also think long and hard over every potential producer who pitches an idea.... I say sign people into a temp 1 season/1 movie contract and if they do well they get another season/movie but if they mess up they're out.... it would help too to have at least a 5 year plan an d detailed concepts with art and what not....kinda like what Lucas did with SW in the 70's there can be dark places and dangers in the Trek universe but the show should be hopeful, positive, showing the best peole can be, not idiocy and hubris.... let's bring back the nebula of the week stories, let's see space scenery we haven't seen before and weird new aliens we never saw before and maybe an alien threat so evil and dangerous and unknowable scary that they make the Borg look like SW droids..... maybe just write the Borg out completely they're done after Wolf 359 and they even leave the milky Way entirely and maybe hot the Andromeda galaxy?? just a thought I'm merely talking ideas, not based on any expertise, I'm not a trek expert but I know enough to know what it really is at it's core.... trek always made me feel better, normal, this new shit is like everything else, makes me depressed and angry so it's not Trek at all....
@@darthXreven New baddie idea: remember the Planet Killer from TOS? What happens when their armada shows up wondering what happened to their scout ship? ;)
I wonder if the documentary will cover animation as well. There was a tactile feel to 80's sci fi, where the mechanics of how things were put together could be as interesting to show as what the item or vessel did.
Also it's the way sci-fi in the 2000s is all about making wannabes of the cool stuff done in the 80s (and largely failing at it). Though I'm curious how they'll tie in the 70s. Buck Rodgers, Battlestar Galactica, the Baker era of Dr. Who, Space 1999, Star Blazers, Close Encounters, and Star Wars (the stuff of *my* childhood) all set the stage for what would happen in the 1980s.
This is one of the few Star Trek ships i have seen a deck floorplan blueprint of, and i think that it would be amazing seeing how the interior sections of this ship would be set up.
This ship always felt like a paper tiger. It’s big and the design is intimidating, but I can’t think of one instance where it got the better of an opponent in battle. The Jem’Hadar tore through them in “DS9” and it seems like its size would work against it as far as maneuverability against a group of smaller ships (Defiant class, Klingon Birds of Prey, or Jem’Hadar fighters).
Piotr Dudała The Odyssey is a bit of an outlier because that was when the Dominion polaron beams passed right through Starfleet’s shields as if they weren’t even there. By the time war actually broke out, Starfleet engineers had studied Sisko’s captured Jem’Hadar bug and modified shields to counter that effect. It’s why Weyoun was surprised his fleet didn’t instantly carve up DS9 in the opening salvo. Naturally, the Federation would have given its allies the same upgrade to make them combat-effective.
The D'Deridex is certainly not as durable as, say, the Galaxy class (we got some great comparisons in the Dominion War), and that's with nearly five times the material volume to throw around, but that also doesn't make it a bad ship, particularly by Romulan standards. Keep in mind that the Romulans have been seemingly behind in key areas of ship technology for over a century by numerous indications, from their fusion-only TOS BoP, to fielding D7s from the Klingons which clearly indicates it was superior to their own designs (and they must have traded something quite large for the design!), to the Enterprise C holding its own against their forces 4-to-1. The D'Deridex also isn't necessarily designed for the types of engagements we frequently say at, say, Cardassia, Chin'Toka, as a ship tanking it out on the line of battle. She's designed for ambush, and nearly all of the design principles of the ship revolve around making the best possible cloak (it's discussed in both TNG and DS9 that Romulans go to considerable lengths to mask energy signatures under their cloaks). It's not a ship to be taken lightly. That thing's nose gun is something awful. It's been implied in TNG that the ship is fully capable of destroying a Galaxy class in its opening salvo, and this is the same weapon that knocked the Prometheus' shield down to literally 20%, with a tap on the shoulder, so that's quite believable. It also makes sense as a design. The Romulans almost certainly cannot stand toe-to-toe with the conventional foes. The likely lack the military expenditures of the Klingons and both full technological parity and the industrial capacity of the Federation. Their ships, however, are fully capable of going damn near anywhere they please and killing any target they want in ambush, which is both a huge operational advantage in almost anything short of a full war, and a good deterrent to a larger conflict - the Romulans may not win a conventional war, but they sure as hell could make a mess of any opponent.
A Nice touch is that the Vulcan cruisers in Enterprise also had a lot of negative space, like the Romulan cruiser, hinting that negative space was a vulcanoid aesthetic.
I like how when you say it was “well suited to absorbing enemy fire with its powerful deflector shields and thick armour” the video shows D’Deridexs getting destroyed by Cardassian and Jem’Hadar attacks!
@@CharlesUrban It was a common theme for literally every alpha quadrant ship throughout the dominion war if it didn't have main characters on board. Apparently the Defiant is more durable than a romulan battleship fifteen times it's size.
@@zoro115-s6b I mean, the Defiant is basically a flying cinder block. It was designed as an anti-Borg vessel, so it's not THAT strange that it stands up to a ridiculous amount of punishment.
@@rantingrodent416 Compared to other ships of it's size? Sure. I can absolutely believe it's tougher than say, a B'rel. But a D'deridex? The romulans are supposed to be an extremely advanced power and the D'deridex is supposed to be a huge tank, but it gets torn up like it's made of paper while the defiant, despite being tiny, stands up to the exact same weapons and is unphased.
@@zoro115-s6b Sure, but remember that the D'Deridex, while advanced, is the type of ship that was able to enter mass production. The Defiant is the sort of military hardware that is too advanced to be cost effective and approachable for average crews. This is at least a common enough sci-fi trope to explain hero ships.
The only ship comparable was the Borg cube. Which was aesthetically the inverse of the romulan ship in design. But itself massive and utterly unstoppable*.
Especially considering the Galaxy was the Federation's flagship at the time, while the D'Deridex was the Romulans' default warbird. It's my favorite too
On-screen visual and verbal evidence implies that as big and powerful as the D'Deridex is, it still fell short of a Galaxy in combat power. Whenever the Romulans faced off against Star Fleet and a Galaxy class was present, there were always two D'Deridex present if they could arrange it and there was even once when more were being routed to the interception point. The D'Deridex, lacked all around coverage although it had some weapons in arcs, the majority were forward only and it was neither agile or fast. One had to over run the engines by 30% to keep up with a Galaxy class and it destroyed those engines. In an episode of Voyager three D'Deridex were confronted by 2 Defiants, and an Akira who seemed to be unphased by the odds.
@@cadengrace5466 Typical star trek. Humanity in star trek is probably the biggest mary sue in the history of fiction. They're better than everyone at everything for no reason, and their ships, despite being supposedly not a warship and 2/3 luxury hotel, can outfight the biggest, baddest battleship that the romulan star empire, who are supposed to be one of the strongest powers in the alpha quadrant, can produce.
@@zoro115-s6b Did you watch the shows? Did you understand what you were seeing? Did you digest the themes of the show? The answer to all of those is no. You say there is no reason why Star Fleet is the best and it is explained over and over again in every single production series. The diverse nature of the Federation brings together untold number of ideas to add to the greater whole. The Klingon and Romulan empires are subjugating bodies that do not foster any creations except their own. Daniel has done a tremendous job covering the Galaxy class and why it is the best example of a Federation ethos in action. A Galaxy class could hold its own and probably win against the smaller Sovereign class. The D'Deridex is not a combat ship any more than the Ferengi Marauder or the Klingon Negh'var. They are command ships able to do many things. The Galaxy class is nimble compared to any of them and has better shields and fire power. It is also faster and has a longer range. The Romulans have no other ships of the line, unlike Star Fleet or the KDF. This is similar to the Ferengi or build a large multiple purpose hull that does it all competently and does nothing exceptionally well. The Romulans use D'Deridex as cargo ships. A navy that has only one large ship type in service is not a combat force, it is a political navy designed for oppression - Star Wars does this with their Star Destroyers. All of the smaller ships in that universe are just yeomen ships performing the mundane task. You must also remember the Romulans have only been around as a species for 2,000 years. They are Vulcans that left that world in the time of Surak, when they lost the civil war and chose exile.
This is a pretty good design for a ship. It has 4 support structures for the engines instead of starfleets traditional 2, and the negative space gives it a narrow profile from every angle except directly above or below.
@@Duke_of_Petchington Naval classifications are not set in stone in any regard; Halo has never stuck to any real class system. Also, ships have never been classed on size. Vessels are classed on purpose and capability.
@@Duke_of_Petchington The PoA run is pretty notorious for being longer than the ship, but when they do their best to keep the level within the parameters of the ship, it lead to the Forward Unto Dawn suddenly becoming a Strident class as opposed to a Charon, which everyone called bullshit on. As it is, the Covenant have multiple cruiser classes. CRS Light, RCS Armored, CCS Battle, and ORS Heavy. And Halo's ship classifications has always been kind of wonky. the 900 meter SDV corvette is one example, being literally 600 meters longer than the CRS. And then you've got the Hekar-Taa which is 2000 meters long, meaning the Covenant have a corvette that's larger than all but one of it's cruisers, the ORS.
Certainly one of my all time favorite designs, not just in Trek, but in all SF. As for the armaments, i can't recall it was ever stated clearly onscreen, but i think the Romulans must have abandoned plasma torpedoes by the TNG era, as nothing torpedo-like that we ever saw fired in battle by them, resembled a plasma weapon. Neither in TNG, DS9 or Nemesis.
Cretak stockpiled plasma torpedoes, referred to by name, at the hospital they had been permitted to set up on one of Bajor’s unoccupied moons. It would make sense that their ships would also be capable of firing the same weapons as their bases.
@@pitui1987 possibly, but neither their actual effects in battle, nor their logistics look like the TOS ones. So who knows, maybe the writers didn't get the memo?
As a kid I had a Galaxy and a B'rel (Klingon Bird of Prey) model. I painted them and sometimes even played with them...you know, stuff that kids do. But what I never could afford was a Warbird. Sometimes I wish I'd get my hands on one of those models just to look at it in all it's glory.
The thing that always drives me insane about the star trek design aesthetic is that they can't help but put tiny delicate little spindly bits to hold key bits of the ship together.
@@iangrapes6659 I mean, by the time that happens you probably could have cored out the centre mass anyway. And it's not like star trek ships aren't liable to exploding the second the hull fails anyway!
Bare in mind that much of the design of ships in Star Trek is based around the requirements of warp travel therefore much of the function of the ship is invisible, its like if the sails and rigging on a sailing vessel were invisible it would look silly too.
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There's something I'm surprised wasn't mentioned and now I'm worried I've been mistaken about it the whole time: Isn't it true the DD's size was to compensate for limits to the size of the Roman Navy in the Treaty of Algeron? The same treaty that prohibited Starfleet from developing cloaking technology?
I started to watch Star Trek in 90's when I saw the Romulan Warbird decloaking and coming near. The design of the ship and the threatening presence catched me !
You know it's weird that the 3 stolen Vulcan ships seen in Star Trek The Next Generation episode 'Reunification part 2' look like miniture versions of the D'Deridex Class Warbird only they were brown or tan in color instead of green.
I'll say this much about the Singularity drive and Romulan mentality. They can "run" the thing perfectly fine, and if something outside is big enough to blow them up, taking what ever that is with them is a win situation here. Friendlies who don't know better are collateral damage that War doesn't usually allow.
My first thought was "what science fiction of the 1980s"? My second thought as the clips ran was: "Oh, all science fiction!" Amazing how many great, good, and interesting sci-fi films are of that era, and hold up very well in special effects, and often better in story telling, to today's films. Romulan Warbird very cool ship, would like to see a late-23rd -early-24 century Romulan evolutionary derivative of the classic K-7 Battlecruiser, still clunking around during the Picard Era as a secondary warship (like the Starfleet Miranda Class) or retrofitted support vessel. Also a back story on how and why the Romulans made a shift from smaller Bird-of-Prey attack craft to with Klingon aide larger Battlecruiser vessels. Perhaps that defeat by Kirk's Enterprise played a part?
@@briansedillo1379 Monetarily the budget was much smaller, so yes the studio executives didn't think that much of it or they probably would've given it a bigger budget.
@@atlantiswolf There's different D'Deridex frames. Some are just space barbie, and others add some nice upgrades to the ship class. You're able to make a number of them look like the OG D'Deridex if that's what you want it to look like.
I purchased a D'Deridex recently in my Starfleet STO profile. My usual ship is the Defiant class, and switching between them you REALLY get a sense for the sheer mass of this thing!
The fact that it's 1000m long gives it points in my book. It was so damned big, it was heavily armoured, shielded, and armed. It was damned fast for something of its size, and putting a cloak on it seems like salt in the wound for everyone else. The last thing you EVER want to see is a D'Deridex suddenly decloak at point-blank weapons range with its own weapons fully charged and already firing. And like the vid said; if things start going south, it can always just toss the cloak up in a second or two, and rapidly retreat or assume another kind of attack run...putting it far above Fed battle plans (which usually consisted of 'drive up to enemy and start shooting until enemy gives up or someone explodes')
I was so disappointed this didn't show up in ST-Picard. Instead, we got those generic ass glider vessels How awesome would it have been to see a Quantum singularity core detonate with modern visual effects
Plus it makes sense for the romulans to have changed their tactics slightly. A lot of these ships were probably destroyed when Romulus was destroyed. If there are any left, they're probably holding them back for any big engagements, and they focus more on smaller, quicker, agile craft instead
I'm very glad that STO designed a proper engineering area for the Singularity core instead of remaining faithful to the "small cabinet with a cloud in it" depicted in TNG.
What were the sci-fi movies/TV shows in the "In Search of Tomorrow" promo? I recognized Blade Runner, Alien, 2010, and The Search for Spock, but what were the others?
My friend once pointed out that it is implied the galaxy is stronger than a warbird 1v1 but the feds only had like a dozen galaxies but the romulan fleet seemed to be mostly warbirds…
I was so disappointed that we never saw the D'Deradix in Star Trek Picard considering they were the main villain. That one Romulan cruiser was a poor imitation.
15% (or what the number is) difference rule includes that I think.... one of the reasons that it is pointless making a movie or a TV show with such clause included... that is why the show feels less like being in the same universe.
It looks like the cruiser they came up with in Picard was basically a super sized classic Bird of Prey (T'Liss class) personally I would've preferred Norexan classes like the Valdore myself.
@@3Rayfire Yeah I felt that they didn't make the effort to give the audience the classic TNG classes, just generic ones. I mean in context they were only 30+ years old. We have Navy ships still sailing older than that.
As always Daniel great video i have since finding your videos on RUclips have liked them all and it adds to them that you're into these spacecrafts and like or don't like their designs as much as we do or don't
This is perhaps Star Trek's most unique design outside of the B'Rel Bird of Prey (its polar opposite). These are one of the few ships that felt a match in every respect for a Galaxy class.
I've backed that Kickstarter, I hope they really go into Star Trek in detail cos there's four great films there with very good special effects for the time too!
The designed length was 1353m according to Andrew Probert, which by the way would make it roughly five times the size of the Galaxy class, and that's accounting for the hollow space. It's around 26ism million cubic meters (to the Galaxy's 5.5ish) st-v-sw.net/STSWvolumetrics.html
The ship should have way more raw power vs Galaxy Class because of the singularity drive. Cloaking device uses a lot of power so they need something bigger than an antimatter fusion drive.
I am not a huge believer that someone would actually build something with that much "wasted" space, but I still love this ship for being so unique and identifiable
It stems from an old design ideology that Star Trek had at the time, that the warp nacelles must have line of sight with each other, hence why Federation ships have their nacelles either raised over or lowered under the hull.
i think the unstable aspect of their power system is in some part intentional. Romulans are notorious in star trek for not allowing for any wreckage or POW's to be found after a battle often employing very drastic counter measures to protect their tech from falling into enemy hands. having a black hole as your power source works quite well to this agenda since if by many strokes of luck another race were to get their hands on one of these ships they would have no idea how to effectively maintain it essentially making the ship into a ticking time bomb due to how often it needs maintenance. Also the whole black hole at the centre of the ship thing means that in this event the vassal would be completely destroyed along with possibly any other ship attempting to salvage/tow it home.
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Where did the sojourn go? The series you were kickstarting and all.
@@cmdrgarbage1895 It's still being made, it's just not quite done yet.
@@jasonwalker9471 indeed. Haven't seen any updates lately, so I'm curious to know how it's doing. Especially since Templin just lost their primary speaker.
Could you do an episode on the ECTO-1 and ECTO-1A and equipment the Ghostbusters use?
We want the Sojourn
"We are creatures of duty, Captain... I have lived my life by it... Just one more duty to perform." - Romulan Commander, TOS Episode "Balance of Terror"
That was by FAR THE BEST EPISODE OF STAR TREK MAN!!! PERIOD!!!
While I liked the quote at the beginning, I have to the say the Intro to the Romulan Empire faction from the game Star Trek: The Next Generation: Birth of the Federation described them best.
"If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable."
EDIT
Intro below:
ruclips.net/video/5zEGRO0lkAc/видео.html
That is a pretty sweet quote.
That's an awsome quote!
Sounds like something Shen-zan would quote
Now that is a quote worthy of the Romulans.
RIP BotF.
I'd love a remaster but i know it's never gonna happen with licensing being what it is.
When that ship de-cloaked for the first time, I was all "ooooooooooooooooooooo"
No kidding, I loved TNG. 👍
Every time a D'Deridex showed up Captain Picard and everyone else on the bridge staff treated it as the worst possible threat short of a Borg vessel.
I remember that day I'll never forget
Same here!
Exactly bro
Such a beautiful behemoth. My absolute favourite ship throughout all of Trek
second to it is the Romulan Shuttle Scout form the TNG Episode Defector . it think ( the ep with the romulan defector)
To me, nothing comes close to the Enterprise D, but I have to acknowledge this design as the most creative one.
Your favorite? Someone has shit taste. We have the Vengeance, constitution, galaxy, akira, sovereign, Odyssey, and you chose the ugliest romulan warbird as your favorite? Jesus christ.
@@randompalmtopgaming7541 That's my number one ship to. It's like a crus ship that can become a battle ship in zero time.
The D'Deridex-class warbird is honestly my favourite Star Trek ship... just look at her!
its a tie between the D'Deridex and the Mogai for me. i think the Mogai looks beautiful, and the D'Deridex looks like power exemplified.
@@maevekirkland9452... The Mogai (Valdore?) looks sleek and deadly, but the D'Deridex is a beast!
when this ship was first introduced in TNG, I was a bit in awe in how they revealed it, coming out of cloak to reveal a ship at least 2X Enterprise's size was like dayum
it definitely earned it's notoriety during the rest of TNG's run and well into DS9.....
The angle of the shot made the Enterprise D look tiny in comparison but yeah the D'deridex was about 400 metres longer than the Galaxy class, about 70% longer.
@A dudes thoughts 2:18
@A dudes thoughts Over 100m wider than the Galaxy class is long!
And remember, the Galaxy class is a *huge* ship in its own right.
If you got rid of all that empty space and smashed everything together it wouldn't be all that much.
Pakled: "It is big. It is strong. It is green."
and it goes!
Just don't make it angry. You won't like it when it's angry.
"It can go away but still be here"
can you make it go?
*sniffs the Warbird* “It… It is GREEN, sir.”
"Be a sneaky bastard...but when you can't be a sneaky bastard, hit 'em hard! ...Try to hit 'em hard in the back, though. That's pretty sneaky."
Ah yes, the way of the Ork Kommando.
@@sumotacular3681 Zoggin' roight. Hur hur hur.
@Darth Revan The Tal'shiar utilize all means of intelligence gathering, even those some would call foolhardy.
THE TERROR OF THE STARS
D'DERIDEX AND THE TAL SHIAR
r/unexpectedsabaton
I see that Sabaton reference.
* Citation Required *
Beautiful vessel. My favourite non Federation craft.
1500 men and 4,320,000 tons of duranium,
Set the course for the G-quadrant with the Hadar on their heels.
Designer of the D'Deridex: So what type of missions do you want to be able to undertake with this ship
Romulan Senate: Yes
It’s like the F-35!
I have always loved the D'Deridex! Such a unique and striking design.
That first clip, with the two commanders; I never noticed there was a long corridor behind them, with crew working in the background.
"The Captain is talking with the Federation guys! Quick, look busy!"
@@CharlesUrban So in the Star Wars X-wing novels, something like this happens but in the reverse. A former Imperial turned warlord in command of a Super Star Destroyer is bringing the leaders of assorted pirate groups together for a major offensive coming soon. This warlord, Zsinj, invites their leaders to his bridge, where the crew working are just terrible. Heavily undisciplined, uniforms a mess, all of it. They seem like barely functioning jackasses. As it turns out, this was all a ruse, with the actual crew being terrifyingly effective and well drilled.
I only just noticed that now while watching it.
Just in love with the D'Deridex. The best villain ship in sci-fi.
The pride of the Romulan Fleet at the time, very nice ship
even well past DS9 this ship would be the pride of the Romulan fleet....
I don't count Picard part of canon cus it's set in the JJ universe, in the real universe Romulus was never destroyed, the real star trek universe still exists but we can't access it beyond the shows we already have until the Bad Reboot contract runs it's course and I swear CBS had best not reup that contract.....I know of an overlord who'd consider invading just to stop em....
you may have heard of him, Overlord DVD, AKA Overlord Dicktor Van Doomcock......
The Scimitar from Nemesis
Romulus being destroyed happened IN the Real universe. deal with it.
@@pendraco2000 no you deal with it, know what you're talking about before being an idiot, watch these....
How the Star Trek rights were divided between CBS and Paramount:
ruclips.net/video/9n_zxsLocHE/видео.html
Star Trek Discovery: The Prime Deception - CBS and Paramount Viacom Rights Explained
ruclips.net/video/ojtX_Oz4WsU/видео.html
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for Star Trek to heal they need to annul the Bad Robot/Secret Hideout deal, fire Kurtzman and Chabon and burn STD & Picard then let it sit for 5 years, get the lawyers on it and decide how to go forward with Trek, where it'll be housed and who has the rights to do what with it also think long and hard over every potential producer who pitches an idea....
I say sign people into a temp 1 season/1 movie contract and if they do well they get another season/movie but if they mess up they're out....
it would help too to have at least a 5 year plan an d detailed concepts with art and what not....kinda like what Lucas did with SW in the 70's
there can be dark places and dangers in the Trek universe but the show should be hopeful, positive, showing the best peole can be, not idiocy and hubris....
let's bring back the nebula of the week stories, let's see space scenery we haven't seen before and weird new aliens we never saw before and maybe an alien threat so evil and dangerous and unknowable scary that they make the Borg look like SW droids.....
maybe just write the Borg out completely they're done after Wolf 359 and they even leave the milky Way entirely and maybe hot the Andromeda galaxy?? just a thought
I'm merely talking ideas, not based on any expertise, I'm not a trek expert but I know enough to know what it really is at it's core....
trek always made me feel better, normal, this new shit is like everything else, makes me depressed and angry so it's not Trek at all....
@@darthXreven New baddie idea: remember the Planet Killer from TOS? What happens when their armada shows up wondering what happened to their scout ship? ;)
I can't wait for that sci-fi is the genre that built my child hood
I wonder if the documentary will cover animation as well. There was a tactile feel to 80's sci fi, where the mechanics of how things were put together could be as interesting to show as what the item or vessel did.
Also it's the way sci-fi in the 2000s is all about making wannabes of the cool stuff done in the 80s (and largely failing at it). Though I'm curious how they'll tie in the 70s. Buck Rodgers, Battlestar Galactica, the Baker era of Dr. Who, Space 1999, Star Blazers, Close Encounters, and Star Wars (the stuff of *my* childhood) all set the stage for what would happen in the 1980s.
CAPTAIN BUCKY O HARE GUNDAM AND BATTLE TOADS AH THE 80S
I belive the same team made another documentary a year or two back, called In Search Of Darkness, which was dedicated to 80's horror movies
This is one of the few Star Trek ships i have seen a deck floorplan blueprint of, and i think that it would be amazing seeing how the interior sections of this ship would be set up.
This ship always felt like a paper tiger. It’s big and the design is intimidating, but I can’t think of one instance where it got the better of an opponent in battle. The Jem’Hadar tore through them in “DS9” and it seems like its size would work against it as far as maneuverability against a group of smaller ships (Defiant class, Klingon Birds of Prey, or Jem’Hadar fighters).
Unfortunately, they had the major design flaw of not being the hero ship or ships thus giving them especially the opposite of plot armour.
Piotr Dudała The Odyssey is a bit of an outlier because that was when the Dominion polaron beams passed right through Starfleet’s shields as if they weren’t even there. By the time war actually broke out, Starfleet engineers had studied Sisko’s captured Jem’Hadar bug and modified shields to counter that effect. It’s why Weyoun was surprised his fleet didn’t instantly carve up DS9 in the opening salvo. Naturally, the Federation would have given its allies the same upgrade to make them combat-effective.
The D'Deridex is certainly not as durable as, say, the Galaxy class (we got some great comparisons in the Dominion War), and that's with nearly five times the material volume to throw around, but that also doesn't make it a bad ship, particularly by Romulan standards.
Keep in mind that the Romulans have been seemingly behind in key areas of ship technology for over a century by numerous indications, from their fusion-only TOS BoP, to fielding D7s from the Klingons which clearly indicates it was superior to their own designs (and they must have traded something quite large for the design!), to the Enterprise C holding its own against their forces 4-to-1. The D'Deridex also isn't necessarily designed for the types of engagements we frequently say at, say, Cardassia, Chin'Toka, as a ship tanking it out on the line of battle. She's designed for ambush, and nearly all of the design principles of the ship revolve around making the best possible cloak (it's discussed in both TNG and DS9 that Romulans go to considerable lengths to mask energy signatures under their cloaks).
It's not a ship to be taken lightly. That thing's nose gun is something awful. It's been implied in TNG that the ship is fully capable of destroying a Galaxy class in its opening salvo, and this is the same weapon that knocked the Prometheus' shield down to literally 20%, with a tap on the shoulder, so that's quite believable. It also makes sense as a design. The Romulans almost certainly cannot stand toe-to-toe with the conventional foes. The likely lack the military expenditures of the Klingons and both full technological parity and the industrial capacity of the Federation. Their ships, however, are fully capable of going damn near anywhere they please and killing any target they want in ambush, which is both a huge operational advantage in almost anything short of a full war, and a good deterrent to a larger conflict - the Romulans may not win a conventional war, but they sure as hell could make a mess of any opponent.
A Nice touch is that the Vulcan cruisers in Enterprise also had a lot of negative space, like the Romulan cruiser, hinting that negative space was a vulcanoid aesthetic.
I like how when you say it was “well suited to absorbing enemy fire with its powerful deflector shields and thick armour” the video shows D’Deridexs getting destroyed by Cardassian and Jem’Hadar attacks!
Well, that was a common theme for most Alpha Quadrant ships in the early Dominion War.
@@CharlesUrban It was a common theme for literally every alpha quadrant ship throughout the dominion war if it didn't have main characters on board. Apparently the Defiant is more durable than a romulan battleship fifteen times it's size.
@@zoro115-s6b I mean, the Defiant is basically a flying cinder block. It was designed as an anti-Borg vessel, so it's not THAT strange that it stands up to a ridiculous amount of punishment.
@@rantingrodent416 Compared to other ships of it's size? Sure. I can absolutely believe it's tougher than say, a B'rel. But a D'deridex? The romulans are supposed to be an extremely advanced power and the D'deridex is supposed to be a huge tank, but it gets torn up like it's made of paper while the defiant, despite being tiny, stands up to the exact same weapons and is unphased.
@@zoro115-s6b Sure, but remember that the D'Deridex, while advanced, is the type of ship that was able to enter mass production. The Defiant is the sort of military hardware that is too advanced to be cost effective and approachable for average crews. This is at least a common enough sci-fi trope to explain hero ships.
4+ hours?! And all those brilliant voice actors and then some?!?!
THAT is an ambitious project!!
Hell yeah!!
By far the most cool ST ship imo. And it's first reveal ooopf. Comparable to galaxy class ...but with cloak, utterly Terrifying.
The only ship comparable was the Borg cube. Which was aesthetically the inverse of the romulan ship in design. But itself massive and utterly unstoppable*.
Especially considering the Galaxy was the Federation's flagship at the time, while the D'Deridex was the Romulans' default warbird. It's my favorite too
On-screen visual and verbal evidence implies that as big and powerful as the D'Deridex is, it still fell short of a Galaxy in combat power. Whenever the Romulans faced off against Star Fleet and a Galaxy class was present, there were always two D'Deridex present if they could arrange it and there was even once when more were being routed to the interception point. The D'Deridex, lacked all around coverage although it had some weapons in arcs, the majority were forward only and it was neither agile or fast. One had to over run the engines by 30% to keep up with a Galaxy class and it destroyed those engines.
In an episode of Voyager three D'Deridex were confronted by 2 Defiants, and an Akira who seemed to be unphased by the odds.
@@cadengrace5466 Typical star trek. Humanity in star trek is probably the biggest mary sue in the history of fiction. They're better than everyone at everything for no reason, and their ships, despite being supposedly not a warship and 2/3 luxury hotel, can outfight the biggest, baddest battleship that the romulan star empire, who are supposed to be one of the strongest powers in the alpha quadrant, can produce.
@@zoro115-s6b Did you watch the shows? Did you understand what you were seeing? Did you digest the themes of the show? The answer to all of those is no. You say there is no reason why Star Fleet is the best and it is explained over and over again in every single production series. The diverse nature of the Federation brings together untold number of ideas to add to the greater whole. The Klingon and Romulan empires are subjugating bodies that do not foster any creations except their own.
Daniel has done a tremendous job covering the Galaxy class and why it is the best example of a Federation ethos in action. A Galaxy class could hold its own and probably win against the smaller Sovereign class. The D'Deridex is not a combat ship any more than the Ferengi Marauder or the Klingon Negh'var. They are command ships able to do many things. The Galaxy class is nimble compared to any of them and has better shields and fire power. It is also faster and has a longer range.
The Romulans have no other ships of the line, unlike Star Fleet or the KDF. This is similar to the Ferengi or build a large multiple purpose hull that does it all competently and does nothing exceptionally well. The Romulans use D'Deridex as cargo ships. A navy that has only one large ship type in service is not a combat force, it is a political navy designed for oppression - Star Wars does this with their Star Destroyers. All of the smaller ships in that universe are just yeomen ships performing the mundane task.
You must also remember the Romulans have only been around as a species for 2,000 years. They are Vulcans that left that world in the time of Surak, when they lost the civil war and chose exile.
A Deep Space 9 quote, I see you are a man of culture.
This is a pretty good design for a ship. It has 4 support structures for the engines instead of starfleets traditional 2, and the negative space gives it a narrow profile from every angle except directly above or below.
You're never gonna guess what I was gonna ask for: CCS Battlecruiser. I know, surprised me too.
@@Duke_of_Petchington Except the CCS is _literally_ a battlecruiser.
@@Duke_of_Petchington Naval classifications are not set in stone in any regard; Halo has never stuck to any real class system.
Also, ships have never been classed on size. Vessels are classed on purpose and capability.
@@gg-eo6ez I, quite literally, said the opposite.
@@Duke_of_Petchington The PoA run is pretty notorious for being longer than the ship, but when they do their best to keep the level within the parameters of the ship, it lead to the Forward Unto Dawn suddenly becoming a Strident class as opposed to a Charon, which everyone called bullshit on.
As it is, the Covenant have multiple cruiser classes. CRS Light, RCS Armored, CCS Battle, and ORS Heavy.
And Halo's ship classifications has always been kind of wonky. the 900 meter SDV corvette is one example, being literally 600 meters longer than the CRS. And then you've got the Hekar-Taa which is 2000 meters long, meaning the Covenant have a corvette that's larger than all but one of it's cruisers, the ORS.
@@gg-eo6ez _Are you blind?_ None of my comments in this thread have been edited. The comment straight after yours, by Master Asia, is.
Certainly one of my all time favorite designs, not just in Trek, but in all SF.
As for the armaments, i can't recall it was ever stated clearly onscreen, but i think the Romulans must have abandoned plasma torpedoes by the TNG era, as nothing torpedo-like that we ever saw fired in battle by them, resembled a plasma weapon. Neither in TNG, DS9 or Nemesis.
Cretak stockpiled plasma torpedoes, referred to by name, at the hospital they had been permitted to set up on one of Bajor’s unoccupied moons. It would make sense that their ships would also be capable of firing the same weapons as their bases.
@@pitui1987 possibly, but neither their actual effects in battle, nor their logistics look like the TOS ones. So who knows, maybe the writers didn't get the memo?
Hearing the Battlezone II intro and outro music for the first time outside of the actual game.
Me: Ah, I see you are a man of culture.
I truly love space dock
As a kid I had a Galaxy and a B'rel (Klingon Bird of Prey) model. I painted them and sometimes even played with them...you know, stuff that kids do. But what I never could afford was a Warbird. Sometimes I wish I'd get my hands on one of those models just to look at it in all it's glory.
1:22 I see you Dukat you can't hide from me!
Sneeky bastard as allways.
The thing that always drives me insane about the star trek design aesthetic is that they can't help but put tiny delicate little spindly bits to hold key bits of the ship together.
I mean, if the spindly bits are just 90% armour then they could work. Might even divert fire from the important parts of the ship.
@@igncom1 fire isnt really a big concern if your ship snaps in half
@@iangrapes6659 I mean, by the time that happens you probably could have cored out the centre mass anyway. And it's not like star trek ships aren't liable to exploding the second the hull fails anyway!
Bare in mind that much of the design of ships in Star Trek is based around the requirements of warp travel therefore much of the function of the ship is invisible, its like if the sails and rigging on a sailing vessel were invisible it would look silly too.
The main ship defenses in Star Trek are the shields. It only takes a torpedo or two to trash a ship once they're down anyway, spindly bits or not.
As far as I am aware, they are also quite slow. Which was the trade off for the powerful weapons & cloak. Most other powers had them on speed.
The Federation beat all the AQ powers and the Dominion when it came to raw speed.
The Dominion were the slowest I believe. But had insane transporter tech/range.
4:15 - THE FINGER OF SCORN
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YOU are really, *really* GOOD. -Superbly dramatic narrative pacing; exceptional summation of pertinent data points, whilst leaving listeners thirsting for MORE. THANK You
There's something I'm surprised wasn't mentioned and now I'm worried I've been mistaken about it the whole time:
Isn't it true the DD's size was to compensate for limits to the size of the Roman Navy in the Treaty of Algeron? The same treaty that prohibited Starfleet from developing cloaking technology?
I started to watch Star Trek in 90's when I saw the Romulan Warbird decloaking and coming near. The design of the ship and the threatening presence catched me !
Well if you secure the BlackholeDrive behind a tiny mosquito net-dor @ 3:39 it obviously is unstable^^
You know it's weird that the 3 stolen Vulcan ships seen in Star Trek The Next Generation episode 'Reunification part 2' look like miniture versions of the D'Deridex Class Warbird only they were brown or tan in color instead of green.
I'll say this much about the Singularity drive and Romulan mentality. They can "run" the thing perfectly fine, and if something outside is big enough to blow them up, taking what ever that is with them is a win situation here. Friendlies who don't know better are collateral damage that War doesn't usually allow.
My favorite ST starship of all time.
As it lends more to each video that you do so until the next episode of space dock thank you again and stay safe out there
My first thought was "what science fiction of the 1980s"? My second thought as the clips ran was: "Oh, all science fiction!" Amazing how many great, good, and interesting sci-fi films are of that era, and hold up very well in special effects, and often better in story telling, to today's films.
Romulan Warbird very cool ship, would like to see a late-23rd -early-24 century Romulan evolutionary derivative of the classic K-7 Battlecruiser, still clunking around during the Picard Era as a secondary warship (like the Starfleet Miranda Class) or retrofitted support vessel. Also a back story on how and why the Romulans made a shift from smaller Bird-of-Prey attack craft to with Klingon aide larger Battlecruiser vessels. Perhaps that defeat by Kirk's Enterprise played a part?
Absolutely beautiful! Every time I play Romulans in Star Trek Armada 3 I like to have whole swarm of them.
I was umming and ahhhing over the Sojourn, then read Larissa from the Templin institute is lending her voice to it ........I'm sold!
Can you make a video with the Necron Cairn Class Tomb Ship? Nice Video!
back when they put some effort in star trek.
Back when they thought less of Star Trek. :)
@@megamanx466 thought less?
@@briansedillo1379 Monetarily the budget was much smaller, so yes the studio executives didn't think that much of it or they probably would've given it a bigger budget.
God I love the D'Deridex. It almost makes me want to reinstall STO just so I can level a Romulan character up to get one for myself.
@Darth Revan I'm not even sure what some of that meant. But I'll give it a try if I choose to reinstall the game Lord Revan.
@@atlantiswolf There's different D'Deridex frames. Some are just space barbie, and others add some nice upgrades to the ship class. You're able to make a number of them look like the OG D'Deridex if that's what you want it to look like.
I purchased a D'Deridex recently in my Starfleet STO profile. My usual ship is the Defiant class, and switching between them you REALLY get a sense for the sheer mass of this thing!
@@Lankythepyro I think thats one of the thing I like about it over other Romulan ships. It just feels weighty.
Definitely my favorite Romulan ship!
Gotta love that beautiful green beast! 💚🤩
Every video I watch of yours is incredibly high quality= Entertaining knowledgeable and efficient.
I've runout of fresh ways to compliment your work, all I can say is I really enjoyed this :)
Yay Love the Romulan Warbird
I've always wondered if a smaller, non-cloaking vessel could hitch a ride in the negative space and be cloaked as well.
In a book, the Enterprise did...
Unique design, and so beautifull.
The fact that it's 1000m long gives it points in my book. It was so damned big, it was heavily armoured, shielded, and armed. It was damned fast for something of its size, and putting a cloak on it seems like salt in the wound for everyone else. The last thing you EVER want to see is a D'Deridex suddenly decloak at point-blank weapons range with its own weapons fully charged and already firing. And like the vid said; if things start going south, it can always just toss the cloak up in a second or two, and rapidly retreat or assume another kind of attack run...putting it far above Fed battle plans (which usually consisted of 'drive up to enemy and start shooting until enemy gives up or someone explodes')
Has Dan ever done a video on Planetes? I really clearly remember him having a break down video of Toybox but can't find it anywhere.
Lol, you said Toybox and my mind immediately went to the Tuatha De Danann of Full Metal Panic. Now that was a Sub!
I was so disappointed this didn't show up in ST-Picard.
Instead, we got those generic ass glider vessels
How awesome would it have been to see a Quantum singularity core detonate with modern visual effects
That would require that someone destroy one, and it's too early in the show for a large war.
Plus it makes sense for the romulans to have changed their tactics slightly. A lot of these ships were probably destroyed when Romulus was destroyed. If there are any left, they're probably holding them back for any big engagements, and they focus more on smaller, quicker, agile craft instead
My favourite ship of the Star Trek universe! Thanks for the video!
I'm very glad that STO designed a proper engineering area for the Singularity core instead of remaining faithful to the "small cabinet with a cloud in it" depicted in TNG.
Probably my favorite non-federation ship.... extremely badass and fearsome
best adversarial warship in all of star trek-dom
Happy to see my favourite vessel get the full spacedock treatment
Always was and still is my favorite Star Trek ship
What were the sci-fi movies/TV shows in the "In Search of Tomorrow" promo? I recognized Blade Runner, Alien, 2010, and The Search for Spock, but what were the others?
Dune, The Abyss
My friend once pointed out that it is implied the galaxy is stronger than a warbird 1v1 but the feds only had like a dozen galaxies but the romulan fleet seemed to be mostly warbirds…
I loved this Romulan ship.
Definitely one of the coolest designs in Star Trek, only wish we got to see more of it
That was D-Deliteful
Romulans always design beautiful ships, I myself play STO and play a Romulan tactical officer and fly a sleek maneuverable well armed warbird.
I was so disappointed that we never saw the D'Deradix in Star Trek Picard considering they were the main villain. That one Romulan cruiser was a poor imitation.
15% (or what the number is) difference rule includes that I think.... one of the reasons that it is pointless making a movie or a TV show with such clause included... that is why the show feels less like being in the same universe.
It looks like the cruiser they came up with in Picard was basically a super sized classic Bird of Prey (T'Liss class) personally I would've preferred Norexan classes like the Valdore myself.
@@3Rayfire Yeah I felt that they didn't make the effort to give the audience the classic TNG classes, just generic ones. I mean in context they were only 30+ years old. We have Navy ships still sailing older than that.
@@Mitchz95 so that means they have no excuse for the generally odd feel throughout the show?
Isn't it about time, you guys do the Romulan Valdore Class Ship Breakdown?
this is still out of all the starships in star trek this vessel is by far my favourite in terms of design
As always Daniel great video i have since finding your videos on RUclips have liked them all and it adds to them that you're into these spacecrafts and like or don't like their designs as much as we do or don't
Last time I was this early Spacedock had a TOTAL NEW SHIP VIDEO THAT WASN'T A REMAKE!
Thanks for posting, always thought this warship was awesome.
An episode of trek a day keeps the Beerbug at bay
This is perhaps Star Trek's most unique design outside of the B'Rel Bird of Prey (its polar opposite). These are one of the few ships that felt a match in every respect for a Galaxy class.
Definitely one of my favorite 'Trek ships outside of the Enterprise lineage, nice work on the remade video!
It was and it is my all-time favorite class! Great video as always, keep it up!
I've backed that Kickstarter, I hope they really go into Star Trek in detail cos there's four great films there with very good special effects for the time too!
beautiful design
Thank you.
The D'Deridex is my all time favourite from Star Trek. Looks awesome.
The romulan ships in Picard are a shame.
YES!!! The Warbirds Soar Again!!! :)
Best ship in startrek history
@@mho... B'rel is definitely the best ship. B'rels were the real heroes of the dominion war.
I liked commanding one of these in ST online.
This video was excellent! Loved the detail and focus on the ship’s capabilities and flaws 👏👏
I’d like to see a space dock episode on the Terran ships from Starcraft 2.
Best birb.
wait the D'Deridex is actually a full kilometre long? i was always told it was around half that size at 500. this just makes it even more impressive.
The designed length was 1353m according to Andrew Probert, which by the way would make it roughly five times the size of the Galaxy class, and that's accounting for the hollow space. It's around 26ism million cubic meters (to the Galaxy's 5.5ish) st-v-sw.net/STSWvolumetrics.html
The D'deridex is the 2nd ship i like from the romulan my first pick will be the valdore
I *love* the Valdore. I agree, it's my favorite Romulan design.
Probably my favorite ship of the Tv shows
These things are monsters. When I first saw them it was like looking at the Bismarck.
The ship should have way more raw power vs Galaxy Class because of the singularity drive. Cloaking device uses a lot of power so they need something bigger than an antimatter fusion drive.
Fantastic video, really well discussed and explained of one of Star Treks coolest ships. Nicely done!
Always loved the design.
I am not a huge believer that someone would actually build something with that much "wasted" space, but I still love this ship for being so unique and identifiable
It stems from an old design ideology that Star Trek had at the time, that the warp nacelles must have line of sight with each other, hence why Federation ships have their nacelles either raised over or lowered under the hull.
Please please PLEASE do the NTE-3120, NSEA-Protector from Galaxy Quest.
I'd love to see you do a breakdown of this awesome craft.
Please do a video on the Romulan Republic's Deihu Class Command ship.
i think the unstable aspect of their power system is in some part intentional.
Romulans are notorious in star trek for not allowing for any wreckage or POW's to be found after a battle often employing very drastic counter measures to protect their tech from falling into enemy hands.
having a black hole as your power source works quite well to this agenda since if by many strokes of luck another race were to get their hands on one of these ships they would have no idea how to effectively maintain it essentially making the ship into a ticking time bomb due to how often it needs maintenance.
Also the whole black hole at the centre of the ship thing means that in this event the vassal would be completely destroyed along with possibly any other ship attempting to salvage/tow it home.
ahhh the this and the bird of Prey the greatest designs......ohh the delta flyer wasnt half bad
My favorite Star Trek ship.
Yay, the B-type warbird!