Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
@@Oscarus4250 there's also Armaldo that can be a nuisance to a lot of threats in ADV Ubers and Altaria can counter Deoxys-A, and stall Ho-Oh and Snorlax.
It's funny how DPP Ubers, the metagame dominated by Dialga, Kyogre and Giratina-O, is the tier that has to call on mons from the lowest tiers to deal with their monsters.
Also reminder that one of the best mons... non uber mons to deal with Dialga is Lucario, for Kyogre, it's Ludicolo, and Giratina, actually idk about that one.
@@InFiNiTeO7actually in DPP you’d have been better off running Blissey as a kyogre counter. It adds more value to the team while getting the job done than Ludicolo whos more specialized into its one specific kyogre counter role
Tyranitar is weird because it feels broken in the teambuilder, but when you're playing a match it just feels like another mon. Because once you assume sandstorm will be up, it's really just a good Pokémon
Tyranitar is used primarily as glue that connects the team rather than one-mon army. While its' offensive capabilities are very good and shouldn't be underestimated, Tyranitar's reliability lies in its versatility and movepool. It can futfill a few different roles: from bulky utility, to wallbreaker, and it can always find a role for itself. Tyranitar's only major flaws are its' relatively low Speed in comparison to the rest of the metagame (not even Jolly +1 Ttar can outspeed base 130+ Speeds or 80+ Spe+ Scarfers), awful defensive typing (which is helped but not saved by Terastalization, especially since several other Pokemon can use it to better benefit), and, paradoxically, Sand Stream (it forces the team to be at least partially focused on Sandstorm which cuts the team options; and Tyranitar's Hidden Ability, Unnerve, is situational crap, even in Doubles)
i like how the druddigon and moltres in the footage used dont even have nicknames either. its like even people who dont nickname their pokemon cant pass up the joke
More of ladder doing ladder things. I'm sure that it was being used plenty in tournaments, but ladder tends to fixate on weird pokémon and ignore others in a way that leads to them being tiered wrong. This is more of an issue and lower tiers than in OU, just because there are fewer people playing them.@@RandalfElVikingo
Question for a future video: why use physical attackers at all? Burn, intimidate, rocky helmet, iron barbs, rough skin, poison point, flame body, static all exist so why run the risk? What could physical attackers ever have over special attackers?
Well would be a good video, but I'll take a crack at answering. First off, physical attackers don't really have a Blissey equivalent although Unaware and Regenerator mons are increasingly invalidating this argument. Second, physical moves tend to be stronger or more accurate than their special counterparts. Compare Close Combat to Aura Sphere/Focus Blast, Flare Blitz to Flamethrower/Fire Blast, etc. Lastly, would be distribution of boosting moves. To this day, there really isn't a widespread special equivalent of Dragon Dance. All this isn't to disregard the validity of special spam as it does actually pop up quite a bit.
Special hitters don’t really have a way to boost both of speed and special attack aside from Volcarona. Physical attacker is catered by GF judging the amount of abilities and items specifically helping physical mons to sweep (Guts, Unburden, technician, etc). Blissey is a perfect wall to answer most special mons, but there isn’t a mon that can do the same with physical attacks (the bulkiest on physical side has abysmal hp and is weak to the most common fighting move). They might add a pure ghost pokemon with 150hp and 200 def in the future and watch that thing got banned to Uber.
I wonder if there's enough Pokemon to cover a video on "Pokemon too good for OU and get banished to Ubers but fail to make any impact in Ubers" It's why Ubers UU is a thing now, I think
There definitely is enough of that. Just look at the 'd tier' at ubers ranking, which houses all of these. Sure, some of them are pretty boring: regular Groudon in gens 6-7 is just outclassed by Primal Groudon, same with Deoxys forms, Solgaleo vs DM and so on. Oh yeah, and Resiram, my poor boy.
I have an entry that fits the criteria of the video: the Gen 8 Ubers trifecta of Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Eternatus. All three mons have (or had) > 90% usage in the tier, aka essentially mandatory in all teams, cause they are extremely easy to slap on a team for the pure amount of threat and utility they provided for the tier. The three kind of check eachother to some degree as well. Yveltal is particularly used an absurd amount, cause not only its utility is off the charts, but it is also the tier's primary check to the dangerous Calyrex-SR. The three mons have this sort of RBY Tauros/Snorlax/Chansey dynamic in terms of both usage and how they handle the tier, that it is strangely charming to see something like this happen in a modern generation.
Great Tusk.... Great Tusk is what holds Gen 9 OU together. Everything in that tier would collapse overnight without Tuskothy. And he's not even that overwhelming.
@@yeet8036 it's the highest usage mon in the tier as of last month, and it's not broken. It checks a lot of those mons and provides hazard-related support. The point of the video are centralizing mons that aren't broken. The top used ground type that doesn't feel overwhelming counts imo. 3/4 of those mons would feel ban worthy if Tusk weren't so easily splashable.
@@mylestomsik4720 eh i think Gambit is too controversial even among skilled players to count. Tuskothy has the highest usage and no one serious about the tier complains about him. I am Gambit Neutral, though, he's just a silly guy.
I definitely think this video deserves a part 2, there are quite a lot of other examples where a pokemon is very good but not super broken and the metagame sort of revolves around those select few pokémon and centering teams around it.
On the Gen 4 Ubers discussion it reminds me how Wizard's of the Coast described the 'Timeless' format on MTG Arena. "There's a whole bunch going on and none of it is remotely fair, but it's balancing itself out decently well". Once they added Modern Horizons 3 and the amount of cheap interaction exploded, there's a solid split of decks that can stomp each other depending on the draws, but it works out and no single deck is more than 10% of the meta.
Giratina Origin Form was a great team member when taking on Black 2's Black Tower trainers. So, it's no surprise that FSG gave it lots of praise in this video.👌
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
@@gars129 Dragonite wasn’t even good in gen6, but also you don’t see that stuff anymore because most mons simply don’t have THAT much variety. Even back then it was rare for most non top tiers to have more than two maybe three sets.
I would say gen 3 ou tyranntar. It is used a lot despite its huge weakness to fighting, and it doesn't necessarily have the best tankiness or dragon dance, but it still hits hard and its sandstorm prevents the generation from being run by pokemon that would stall via leftovers and stat buffs like cleebi and suicune.
@@HowlingOneifyI think right now it's probably a lot more manageable than it was at one point. A couple shifts ago, before cobalion became so prominent, there were also a lot more pokémon who were either one shot or nearly so at the top of the meta game then there are right now. I think the bigger problem at this point is it plus the other insanely good offensive dark types. It was already a problem before the recent shifts, where the majority of good teams were running two dark resists just to survive (or were running a dark resist plus Tera fairy dirge or Apple as a longer lasting option). And now we are also dealing with weavile and far better spikes setters that the knock off users can synergize with. I think the main reason they didn't include it though is that generation 9 UU is still a metagame that's in pretty quick development. We just lost a s- ranked (iirc, it may have been a+) pokémon and gained several extremely powerful pokémon, one of which is almost certainly going to be banned (the main discussion I'm seeing is if it's going to end up getting quick banned or if it will have to be suspect tested). So realistically anything they say has a pretty high chance of being out of date by the end of the week.
Ahh, Mediocremons. The stomping ground of Nidoqueen, Clefable, Venomoth, Xatu, Basculin, and (FORMERLY) Kingdra. Isn't it wild to see a meta where 97 Speed is the absolute pinnacle, and 80/80/80 is some of the best defense around?
Feels like you could pick any number of VGC metagames and talk this way about Amoonguss. Demands respect, forms a crucial and consistent backbone to a lot of cores, but also has abundant counterplay that doesn't require a team to include something just for it (Grass types, misty and electric terrain, taunt, etc)
it's been quite a while since I played but I remember at the start of Gen 9 Ubers UU at least, Magearna was that tier's GSC Snorlax basically. It was on every team, it had insane set variety but it was a good, healthy presence in the metagame, Arceus was also on every team but with the different types of Arceus (even with the banned forms) it didn't feel exactly the same as every team having Magearna
@@EggscellentTreeMeta is basically defined by the combination of one Pokemon (Gholdengo) completely blanking Defog hazard removal because it just gets to block every status move not backed by Mold Breaker just for existing, and the only Pokemon who can actually threaten said Pokemon (Great Tusk) being the premier spinner of the game mixed in with being a different-typed Landorus-Therian that many consider to be better than Lando ever was due to the sheer versatility offered by Protosynthesis.
@@lemonadogirl4082 I thought gholdengo wasn't as prevelant anymore as he used to , also landorus has same viability as great tusk according to the viability rankings even with the loss of toxic , defog and knock off.
@adhamwashere5320 1) That's a big if, remember Mega Alakazam in LGPE? 2) Anyone with the wisdom of dirt is going to strap Fairy STAB on all the Fairies like Stored Power Clefable and Prankster Grimmsnarl that get blocked by Dark-types to counter them.
My immediate thought was early Gen 8 Clefable. I think maybe before dlc 1. So the regional dex and home meta it felt very healthy for the meta game but was absolutely everywhere
There are so many tiers this could apply to that it’s almost funny. Gens 4 and 5 of NU with Charizard and Tauros, Gens 1 and 2 of UU with Tentacruel and Nidoqueen respectively, Rotom-Frost in Gen 6 PU, and so many more I’m probably forgetting.
Damn, at 2:50 FSG is going in with a bold statement and standing ground. Love to see it Ps: this was a great video! The editing, script, and theories were so entertaining. Ty
I was kinda expecting gen 5 ou tyranitar for facilitating sand teams. Or gen 4 ou tyranitar for its pursuit of trapping support. Or gen 3 ou tyranitar... I dont know what it does there but it's tyranitar.
I wonder if you could cover triple battles more after the introduction of gen 9 triple battles in showdown. Would be cool to see a metagame not often seen by much people in general
For VGC, I cant help but feel like Incin fits into here. Now more than ever, the cat feels less like an overpowered menace and more like a dam against the insane hyper-offense that Gen 9 gave us. Without Incin, we'd be living in a perpetual Rapid Urshifu-Tailwind nightmare...
Lets go being full of mew and melmetal... ..mew a defense mon that can run minus speed and still outspeed the mons it needs to, bulk to blow up whatever it doesnt. Rocks, burn, t wave, really anything... While DIB just deletes everything thats not orger mels and two water mons that cant switch into its thunder punch... Anyways my rant.
Hating it is NORMALLY a skill issue. It's not strong this gen, not even close to broken, and lots of people cite that as a reason to hate it. I hate the matchup fishing nature, that such a slow bulky team has very little outplay potential and is often decided primarily at preview. Some people also hate how long it takes, but I find that to also generally be a nothing arguement. Saying it's broken is a skill issue though.
Stall is not based, you're only matchup fishing on the low ladder in hopes of facing 1200s so ur team can do something. That being said, bad players call balance and bulky offense stall. And as a balance/bo player, I will probably side eye stall haters. I don't even play stall and y'all are making me go here.
What is up with all these headass takes? We’ve had countless healthy and balanced singles meta games. 3/4/6/7/8 and arguably even RBY as silly as that sounds.
@@HowlingOneify Do people play them? People paid thousands of dollars and traveled around the world to go to tournaments where 80%of the field was running CHALK. Healthy formats don’t get changed every two weeks…
@@CptChrispy the format doesn’t get changed every two weeks in singles, but hey thanks for saying you don’t play them and don’t know them. People absolutely play them and we literally have had a more active community than any past generation by a massive margin (like several thousand pages worth of discussion and the like and countless games).
@@HowlingOneify there is no reason for singles to be less successful than Smash Bros as a competitive game, Pokemon has a much larger player base, but Smash has 2 successful grass roots competitive scenes. Hell, Smash 64 is probably a more successful competitive scene than smogon singles. How many suspect tests have there been? How many times has Melee changed their rule set? This argument isn’t even worth entertaining.
I cannot be the first to wonder, why does ADV not have an RU? The amount of mons on the banlist for ADV BL is super high, enough to constitute a tier on its own, yet the places they can be used - OU - aren't hospitable. I'd love to know why that's the case, and there HAS to be a good reason why it hasn't happened, I can't be the first person to think of this and someone else would certainly know why it's not feasable.
ADV was tiered differently and there's too few players in ADV lower tiers to change. There is an ADV BL community tho. You can always play with the BL mons in their OM. As a gen 9 UUbers Believer, I definitely encourage all players to look past OU tiers and see what the community is cooking. Smogon is already a fan metagame, so OU isn't any more real than ADV BL.
Smogon getting rid of sleep was probably the greatest travesty and case of overreach in the scene. Completely invalidated many pokemon for no reason. Sleep Clause was enough
Sleep clause wasn’t removed for not being enough. It was axed for being archaic and outdated. And sleep without it is just unbalanced and bad for the game. It didn’t “invalidate” many Pokémon. Amoonguss is still viable, the main offensive sleep abusers are still top tier and the other misc ones like sun abusers are still able to abuse sun.
I hate gen6 clefable so much man.. it's so annoying to play against and I *very* much enjoyed beating it in to a pulp with a banded black kyurem wielding iron head
@@SteveDice21 dominating a meta game does not make something broken. I don’t know how clear I need to make this. Being the best Pokémon does not equal broken. And they’re not always the best automatically either. Seriously you should go learn about these meta games so you can see what people mean.
@@HowlingOneify A single mon being able to dominate a meta to the point that it restricts team building by requiring you to have a dedicated counter is a sign that the meta is broken. This whole video is basically "these pokemon aren't broken because they have a counter" and I agree, the pokemon aren't broken, the meta is. I don't know how you don't see this.
@@SteveDice21 these mons don’t restrict team building. You really weren’t paying attention. Clefable in gen6? Not broken bro does it restrict team building. Lando/pex/heatran in gen 7/8? do not restrict building. Etc etc. These metas they’re in are not broken. They don’t need dedicated counters. They’re not hard to answer at all. They do need you to account for them in the builder but that’s a part of the game in general for every good Pokémon.
Magikarp will be forever the strongest top tier, and most meta gaming defining pokemon, he only likes to see the noobs(incineroar and mega rayquaza) win the spot light
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Bro posted a comment before the video uploads so no one can be first
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Just wanna say, this video was great. Such good editing and theories and script work. Such a good watch.
The Chansey/ Blissey Theorem-Why Natures Are Everything!
Raycons are trash. Buyer beware.
I would still love an "Unlikely pokemon to appear in Ubers" video
Like Ledian?
Incini
Pretty sure i saw an ariados in ou once.
@@Oscarus4250 there's also Armaldo that can be a nuisance to a lot of threats in ADV Ubers and Altaria can counter Deoxys-A, and stall Ho-Oh and Snorlax.
@@yourdemiseisheredon't think ariados was in OU but was in ubers. Basically the only lead in ubers is deo S and leads that counter deo S
Hisuian Inciner- wait wrong channel
Hey don’t say that !!!
Mega Inci
*angry wrestling cat noises*
@@aldwych285 STOP! you'll give VGC players nightmares....
Ah a man close to the Wolfe I see
It's funny how DPP Ubers, the metagame dominated by Dialga, Kyogre and Giratina-O, is the tier that has to call on mons from the lowest tiers to deal with their monsters.
Also reminder that one of the best mons... non uber mons to deal with Dialga is Lucario, for Kyogre, it's Ludicolo, and Giratina, actually idk about that one.
@@InFiNiTeO7actually in DPP you’d have been better off running Blissey as a kyogre counter. It adds more value to the team while getting the job done than Ludicolo whos more specialized into its one specific kyogre counter role
Tyranitar is weird because it feels broken in the teambuilder, but when you're playing a match it just feels like another mon.
Because once you assume sandstorm will be up, it's really just a good Pokémon
Tyranitar is used primarily as glue that connects the team rather than one-mon army. While its' offensive capabilities are very good and shouldn't be underestimated, Tyranitar's reliability lies in its versatility and movepool. It can futfill a few different roles: from bulky utility, to wallbreaker, and it can always find a role for itself.
Tyranitar's only major flaws are its' relatively low Speed in comparison to the rest of the metagame (not even Jolly +1 Ttar can outspeed base 130+ Speeds or 80+ Spe+ Scarfers), awful defensive typing (which is helped but not saved by Terastalization, especially since several other Pokemon can use it to better benefit), and, paradoxically, Sand Stream (it forces the team to be at least partially focused on Sandstorm which cuts the team options; and Tyranitar's Hidden Ability, Unnerve, is situational crap, even in Doubles)
I love that everyone always names their Durant "Kevin".
i like how the druddigon and moltres in the footage used dont even have nicknames either. its like even people who dont nickname their pokemon cant pass up the joke
DURAN DURANt (nobody will get this will they…)
Why Kevin tho?
@@Samuel-qc7kg Kevin Durant, basketball player
@@Kaiji... i remember that name from a video from " Le fossoyer de films " . If i remember correctly the character is a dictator.
Idea for video: Most unfair Untiered placements
I'd watch that
Gen 7 Torterra immediately comes to mind. Top 3 mon in PU, yet it somehow was not used enough to be ranked PU proper for some reason. lol
@@the_bookworm8281 Smogon doing Smogon things
More of ladder doing ladder things. I'm sure that it was being used plenty in tournaments, but ladder tends to fixate on weird pokémon and ignore others in a way that leads to them being tiered wrong. This is more of an issue and lower tiers than in OU, just because there are fewer people playing them.@@RandalfElVikingo
and gen 5 kingler, not that bad of a pokemon but just wasn't experimented with.
Question for a future video: why use physical attackers at all? Burn, intimidate, rocky helmet, iron barbs, rough skin, poison point, flame body, static all exist so why run the risk? What could physical attackers ever have over special attackers?
Also, there's no special equivalent of Intimidate to worry about.
Well would be a good video, but I'll take a crack at answering. First off, physical attackers don't really have a Blissey equivalent although Unaware and Regenerator mons are increasingly invalidating this argument. Second, physical moves tend to be stronger or more accurate than their special counterparts. Compare Close Combat to Aura Sphere/Focus Blast, Flare Blitz to Flamethrower/Fire Blast, etc. Lastly, would be distribution of boosting moves. To this day, there really isn't a widespread special equivalent of Dragon Dance.
All this isn't to disregard the validity of special spam as it does actually pop up quite a bit.
Blissey
No physical blissey
Special hitters don’t really have a way to boost both of speed and special attack aside from Volcarona. Physical attacker is catered by GF judging the amount of abilities and items specifically helping physical mons to sweep (Guts, Unburden, technician, etc). Blissey is a perfect wall to answer most special mons, but there isn’t a mon that can do the same with physical attacks (the bulkiest on physical side has abysmal hp and is weak to the most common fighting move). They might add a pure ghost pokemon with 150hp and 200 def in the future and watch that thing got banned to Uber.
Another day of our friend Lando-T appearing in a FSG video
Incineroar-Therian
Very BKC video. No way he wasn’t the main writer with Gen 5 RU, Gen 4 Ubers, and Gen 3 UU on this list lmao
He writes the whole thing
I wonder if there's enough Pokemon to cover a video on "Pokemon too good for OU and get banished to Ubers but fail to make any impact in Ubers"
It's why Ubers UU is a thing now, I think
And Ubers RU!
There definitely is enough of that. Just look at the 'd tier' at ubers ranking, which houses all of these.
Sure, some of them are pretty boring: regular Groudon in gens 6-7 is just outclassed by Primal Groudon, same with Deoxys forms, Solgaleo vs DM and so on.
Oh yeah, and Resiram, my poor boy.
@@Entelarmer Primal Groudon did not exist in Gen 5 so Groudon wasn't outclassed by it's Primal in Gen 5, it was around at gen 7 though
@@LycopokySlimesy mistyped, oops.
I have an entry that fits the criteria of the video: the Gen 8 Ubers trifecta of Yveltal, Necrozma-DM, and Eternatus.
All three mons have (or had) > 90% usage in the tier, aka essentially mandatory in all teams, cause they are extremely easy to slap on a team for the pure amount of threat and utility they provided for the tier. The three kind of check eachother to some degree as well. Yveltal is particularly used an absurd amount, cause not only its utility is off the charts, but it is also the tier's primary check to the dangerous Calyrex-SR.
The three mons have this sort of RBY Tauros/Snorlax/Chansey dynamic in terms of both usage and how they handle the tier, that it is strangely charming to see something like this happen in a modern generation.
The problem is that calyrex shadow is actually the most powerful pokemon in Gen 8 ubers, and calyrex is broken and very close to being ban worthy
@@thescarfguyMost powerful, but not the most used
@@thescarfguycaly isn't the best tho so that's fair
yeah but its mostly because of calyrex-s being the meta defining mon
Why blue
one of the most BKC-pilled videos yet
and he WRITES THEM
DPP Ubers mention makes me think BKC must've had a hand in this one
You’d be correct. I think he’s been writing for False Swipe Gaming for some time. You can see him credited in the video description
God ORAS OU was so fun. Mega-Diancie my beloved...
Great Tusk....
Great Tusk is what holds Gen 9 OU together. Everything in that tier would collapse overnight without Tuskothy. And he's not even that overwhelming.
and gambit, he was suspect tested but we didn't ban him (good decision) because the tier would be so different without him
It's only top 10 mon tho.
Gliscor,gambit,pult and ghold are all better and potentially broken
@@yeet8036 it's the highest usage mon in the tier as of last month, and it's not broken. It checks a lot of those mons and provides hazard-related support. The point of the video are centralizing mons that aren't broken. The top used ground type that doesn't feel overwhelming counts imo. 3/4 of those mons would feel ban worthy if Tusk weren't so easily splashable.
@@mylestomsik4720 eh i think Gambit is too controversial even among skilled players to count. Tuskothy has the highest usage and no one serious about the tier complains about him.
I am Gambit Neutral, though, he's just a silly guy.
I definitely think this video deserves a part 2, there are quite a lot of other examples where a pokemon is very good but not super broken and the metagame sort of revolves around those select few pokémon and centering teams around it.
Wow, I was expecting Tyranitar to make at least one appearance.
On the Gen 4 Ubers discussion it reminds me how Wizard's of the Coast described the 'Timeless' format on MTG Arena. "There's a whole bunch going on and none of it is remotely fair, but it's balancing itself out decently well". Once they added Modern Horizons 3 and the amount of cheap interaction exploded, there's a solid split of decks that can stomp each other depending on the draws, but it works out and no single deck is more than 10% of the meta.
I'm glad Gen4 Ubers got a shout out. I played it from release up until Gen6, because it was ridiculously fun and balanced
Giratina Origin Form was a great team member when taking on Black 2's Black Tower trainers. So, it's no surprise that FSG gave it lots of praise in this video.👌
Naming your Durant, “Kevin” is perfect
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Good idea!
Genesect Theorem
Except mixed attacking is much rarer than being full attacking on either side of the spectrum.
I miss back when Dragonite, Celebi and Clefable had like 7 "viable" movesets back in Gen 3-6 era Smogon. The site became a lot more formal after.
@@gars129 Dragonite wasn’t even good in gen6, but also you don’t see that stuff anymore because most mons simply don’t have THAT much variety. Even back then it was rare for most non top tiers to have more than two maybe three sets.
What about a video about those pokemon bad in Ubers but broken in OU and how there role in UUbers?
Nice to see some of these finally get some attention in the competitive scene. Gotta make it work somehow and they did.
I would say gen 3 ou tyranntar. It is used a lot despite its huge weakness to fighting, and it doesn't necessarily have the best tankiness or dragon dance, but it still hits hard and its sandstorm prevents the generation from being run by pokemon that would stall via leftovers and stat buffs like cleebi and suicune.
Anyone else really want a "How good was Amoongus" video?
Yeah I do I want a how good was trans rights video
How GREAT was Amoonguss is what it’d be. It’s had several long stints in OU while being one of the faces of VGC throughout the years.
@@bathilra5364 Well, they certainly can’t forget the pickles.
BKC’s sass has really been showing in these recent videos lol
Druddigon in ORAS OU was so fun, has 2 outcomes of either the strongest or deadweight
Kind of surprised not to see Lokix of Gen 9 UU here. the guys a balancing force like no other
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Bug Lokix First Impression vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Comment Section: 1392-1640 (420.5 - 495.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
@@damianr9667 well because some players actually dislike its presence and consider it a bit too good of an enabler
@@HowlingOneifyI think right now it's probably a lot more manageable than it was at one point. A couple shifts ago, before cobalion became so prominent, there were also a lot more pokémon who were either one shot or nearly so at the top of the meta game then there are right now. I think the bigger problem at this point is it plus the other insanely good offensive dark types. It was already a problem before the recent shifts, where the majority of good teams were running two dark resists just to survive (or were running a dark resist plus Tera fairy dirge or Apple as a longer lasting option). And now we are also dealing with weavile and far better spikes setters that the knock off users can synergize with.
I think the main reason they didn't include it though is that generation 9 UU is still a metagame that's in pretty quick development. We just lost a s- ranked (iirc, it may have been a+) pokémon and gained several extremely powerful pokémon, one of which is almost certainly going to be banned (the main discussion I'm seeing is if it's going to end up getting quick banned or if it will have to be suspect tested). So realistically anything they say has a pretty high chance of being out of date by the end of the week.
Ahh, Mediocremons. The stomping ground of Nidoqueen, Clefable, Venomoth, Xatu, Basculin, and (FORMERLY) Kingdra. Isn't it wild to see a meta where 97 Speed is the absolute pinnacle, and 80/80/80 is some of the best defense around?
Feels like you could pick any number of VGC metagames and talk this way about Amoonguss. Demands respect, forms a crucial and consistent backbone to a lot of cores, but also has abundant counterplay that doesn't require a team to include something just for it (Grass types, misty and electric terrain, taunt, etc)
Bkc certainly had a hand in choosing gen 4 ubers 😅
it's been quite a while since I played but I remember at the start of Gen 9 Ubers UU at least, Magearna was that tier's GSC Snorlax basically. It was on every team, it had insane set variety but it was a good, healthy presence in the metagame, Arceus was also on every team but with the different types of Arceus (even with the banned forms) it didn't feel exactly the same as every team having Magearna
If only this were SV OU
Last I played sv ou annihilape was legal , what's the problem? Gambit , zama, ogerpon , darkrai?
@@EggscellentTreekyurem got banned.. Which means gliscor,ting lu,zapdos is more hard to deal with
@@EggscellentTreeMeta is basically defined by the combination of one Pokemon (Gholdengo) completely blanking Defog hazard removal because it just gets to block every status move not backed by Mold Breaker just for existing, and the only Pokemon who can actually threaten said Pokemon (Great Tusk) being the premier spinner of the game mixed in with being a different-typed Landorus-Therian that many consider to be better than Lando ever was due to the sheer versatility offered by Protosynthesis.
@@Jakir-n8g I thought kyurem was a problem because it has so many different sets, maybe gliscor gets banned again.
@@lemonadogirl4082 I thought gholdengo wasn't as prevelant anymore as he used to , also landorus has same viability as great tusk according to the viability rankings even with the loss of toxic , defog and knock off.
Finding Clefable broken is a skill issue
Aura Guardian: is that a challenge?
He was dealing with the curse of minimize clafable. Evasion adds a whole different level of brokenness
@codybent2729 although it's only attacking move was stored power meaning if he had a dark Pokémon the Clefable couldn't do anything other than stall
@@adhamwashere5320 you are completely neglecting the sheer amount of mental damage that minimize does
@adhamwashere5320 1) That's a big if, remember Mega Alakazam in LGPE?
2) Anyone with the wisdom of dirt is going to strap Fairy STAB on all the Fairies like Stored Power Clefable and Prankster Grimmsnarl that get blocked by Dark-types to counter them.
My immediate thought was early Gen 8 Clefable. I think maybe before dlc 1. So the regional dex and home meta it felt very healthy for the meta game but was absolutely everywhere
Sm Ou was really fun to me as all gen have they charm even the slower paced gen 8
There are so many tiers this could apply to that it’s almost funny. Gens 4 and 5 of NU with Charizard and Tauros, Gens 1 and 2 of UU with Tentacruel and Nidoqueen respectively, Rotom-Frost in Gen 6 PU, and so many more I’m probably forgetting.
I have a feeling the next "How good was" video will be on Incenoroar.
Damn, at 2:50 FSG is going in with a bold statement and standing ground. Love to see it
Ps: this was a great video! The editing, script, and theories were so entertaining. Ty
I’m literally listening to this video while doing household chores with the raycons I bought a while back with your code
10:17 I noticed that nickname lol
I loved my kevin but someone ate him U_U
Slim Reaper
Every game the fun is when variety happens
I was kinda expecting gen 5 ou tyranitar for facilitating sand teams. Or gen 4 ou tyranitar for its pursuit of trapping support. Or gen 3 ou tyranitar... I dont know what it does there but it's tyranitar.
Dragon Dance. It does Dragon Dance.
Clefable and Gengar on the thumbnail? Coincidentally, I am using a VGC team featuring the two!
Next: how great was tyranitar atcually!
Ahh, gen4 ubers, the best singles metagame of all time, how I miss you.
I wonder if you could cover triple battles more after the introduction of gen 9 triple battles in showdown. Would be cool to see a metagame not often seen by much people in general
Deserves a part two tbh, very cool!
For VGC, I cant help but feel like Incin fits into here. Now more than ever, the cat feels less like an overpowered menace and more like a dam against the insane hyper-offense that Gen 9 gave us. Without Incin, we'd be living in a perpetual Rapid Urshifu-Tailwind nightmare...
Lets go being full of mew and melmetal... ..mew a defense mon that can run minus speed and still outspeed the mons it needs to, bulk to blow up whatever it doesnt. Rocks, burn, t wave, really anything... While DIB just deletes everything thats not orger mels and two water mons that cant switch into its thunder punch... Anyways my rant.
Can’t wait for the how is good was delibird/iron bundle competitively
Reminder to singles players. Stall is based hatred of stall is rooted in a skill issue
It’s also a boredom issue; 100 turns gets me tired
@@darko-man8549 you reek of a skill issue
Hating it is NORMALLY a skill issue. It's not strong this gen, not even close to broken, and lots of people cite that as a reason to hate it. I hate the matchup fishing nature, that such a slow bulky team has very little outplay potential and is often decided primarily at preview. Some people also hate how long it takes, but I find that to also generally be a nothing arguement. Saying it's broken is a skill issue though.
Stall is not based, you're only matchup fishing on the low ladder in hopes of facing 1200s so ur team can do something.
That being said, bad players call balance and bulky offense stall. And as a balance/bo player, I will probably side eye stall haters. I don't even play stall and y'all are making me go here.
@@louc.6735 i mean i only play gen 8 where stall is usable. I hate the stall nerfs in SV
Even if Clefable WAS broken .. WE LOVE IT
my random adventures on ru are finally relevant lets gooooooooooooo
Is DPP LC considered balanced? It's a balance of a kind, for sure, but I've found it to be HO the metagame, even more than other LC metagames.
It's funny how VGC had a metagame dominated by CHALK, and that was still a healthier metagame than any singles format has ever had...
What is up with all these headass takes? We’ve had countless healthy and balanced singles meta games. 3/4/6/7/8 and arguably even RBY as silly as that sounds.
@@HowlingOneify2 and 5 bad?
@@HowlingOneify Do people play them? People paid thousands of dollars and traveled around the world to go to tournaments where 80%of the field was running CHALK.
Healthy formats don’t get changed every two weeks…
@@CptChrispy the format doesn’t get changed every two weeks in singles, but hey thanks for saying you don’t play them and don’t know them. People absolutely play them and we literally have had a more active community than any past generation by a massive margin (like several thousand pages worth of discussion and the like and countless games).
@@HowlingOneify there is no reason for singles to be less successful than Smash Bros as a competitive game, Pokemon has a much larger player base, but Smash has 2 successful grass roots competitive scenes. Hell, Smash 64 is probably a more successful competitive scene than smogon singles.
How many suspect tests have there been? How many times has Melee changed their rule set? This argument isn’t even worth entertaining.
Ash Greninja would not have been OU if Toxi didn't exist.
Wasn't Azumarill fitting this in gen 6? It could play a bunch of roles, was present in many teams and you had to account for it
I mean clefable was broken back in gen 8 pre crown tundra, I do think Magearna is questionable in sm though
You guys are dropping back 2 back heat. I can’t keep up
Will we have some other “how good was… actually” videos in the future? 👀
Specially defensive Lando-T
It's kinda ironic, considering that spdef is its lowest stat
Thats whatcha call a "Keystone Species"
DURANT MENTIONED RAAAAAHH
I cannot be the first to wonder, why does ADV not have an RU? The amount of mons on the banlist for ADV BL is super high, enough to constitute a tier on its own, yet the places they can be used - OU - aren't hospitable. I'd love to know why that's the case, and there HAS to be a good reason why it hasn't happened, I can't be the first person to think of this and someone else would certainly know why it's not feasable.
No one cares is the genuine answer
Lack of active playerbase. ADV’s glory days are past, and more active ladders require more support
@@tylerbarrios9762 it's mostly just old Gen lower tiers in general don't need a revamp. Adv ou is doing great
ADV was tiered differently and there's too few players in ADV lower tiers to change. There is an ADV BL community tho. You can always play with the BL mons in their OM. As a gen 9 UUbers Believer, I definitely encourage all players to look past OU tiers and see what the community is cooking. Smogon is already a fan metagame, so OU isn't any more real than ADV BL.
Honorable mention to Gen 9 AAA
Honestly? I wouldn't mind a part two to this video. Maybe focused on the lower tiers.
I wish you could use Ubers in PU and LC!
When is "Why Coverage Might Be Everything" Theorem coming up?
furret only dominated by furret... and somehow perfectly balanced
Toxapex in gen 7 Washington the reason i start to like Diggersby.
This video should of been named counter meta pokemon
It was missed oppurtunity to mention dpp UU and oras Ru they are balanced metagame withs no broken top tier (besides maybe scrafty in oras Ru)
How would the cases differ from glue mons?
Wouldn't Arceus, Genesect (I think) and Palkia be good candidates for BW ubers as well?
Smogon getting rid of sleep was probably the greatest travesty and case of overreach in the scene. Completely invalidated many pokemon for no reason. Sleep Clause was enough
Sleep clause wasn’t removed for not being enough. It was axed for being archaic and outdated. And sleep without it is just unbalanced and bad for the game. It didn’t “invalidate” many Pokémon. Amoonguss is still viable, the main offensive sleep abusers are still top tier and the other misc ones like sun abusers are still able to abuse sun.
Been waiting for this
"The Competetive Pokemon Metagame controversy is crazy"
I hate gen6 clefable so much man.. it's so annoying to play against and I *very* much enjoyed beating it in to a pulp with a banded black kyurem wielding iron head
big bkc bias coming through in this one, but i'm here for it!
Toxapex is the reason I quit singles, it may not be broken but it sure broke me
I feel like if you have to stress repeatedly, so insistently, that something is not broken... That might be a little cope.
>Landorus-T
>not broken
A shiggy diggy.
@@felixdaniels37 it’s never once been close to broken
Post elo
Alternative name for this video: "Why Smogon Singles is a broken metagame"
Video talks about how Pokémon that are common aren’t broken
You: “so this means smogon meta games are broken”
???
@@HowlingOneify Video talks about how supposedly not broken pokemon dominate entire metagames. Guess what this is a sign of?
@@SteveDice21 dominating a meta game does not make something broken. I don’t know how clear I need to make this. Being the best Pokémon does not equal broken. And they’re not always the best automatically either. Seriously you should go learn about these meta games so you can see what people mean.
@@HowlingOneify A single mon being able to dominate a meta to the point that it restricts team building by requiring you to have a dedicated counter is a sign that the meta is broken. This whole video is basically "these pokemon aren't broken because they have a counter" and I agree, the pokemon aren't broken, the meta is. I don't know how you don't see this.
@@SteveDice21 these mons don’t restrict team building. You really weren’t paying attention. Clefable in gen6? Not broken bro does it restrict team building. Lando/pex/heatran in gen 7/8? do not restrict building. Etc etc. These metas they’re in are not broken. They don’t need dedicated counters. They’re not hard to answer at all. They do need you to account for them in the builder but that’s a part of the game in general for every good Pokémon.
I've never seen a named Durant not named Kevin🤣🤣🤣
I thought gsc ou with zapdos lax and cloyster would definitely be mentioned
They're broken lol
I was hoping for a gen 8 yveltal shout out
I miss ferro in gen 9 :(
What happened in DPP Little Cup lmao
It won’t be in this video, but a maxed out defensive Alomamola is annoying af and not enough people talk about it like Clefable.
“any pokemon in gen 9 ou” 💀
Apparantly rby zu is dominated by swalot who is used similarly to gsc snorlax, aso gsc wigglytuff in nu and scyther in uu
Yes, Swalot. My favorite RBY Pokémon.
@@Sleeper800I meant rse
Magikarp will be forever the strongest top tier, and most meta gaming defining pokemon, he only likes to see the noobs(incineroar and mega rayquaza) win the spot light
VGC is a joke and AG is a meme, Magikarp Tier is real competitive Pokémon. 🗿
The big 3 from RBY OU is too broken for this list?
What about: How pokemon get banned from Ubers: The arceus/mega rayquaza theorem
They already made video on banned ubers
Banger
Good video
Skip to 1:23 for the ear reveal