It's not the business model. They make a lot of money with Spotify and these are mostly teasers to get you to subscribe. But Spotify is like cable TV: you are paying for ALL of it, including the nutsos like Joe Rogan.
You still have to pick the Nuggets because they have the experience. But OKC and Minnesota will be tough outs in the playoffs. Ant and Shai are about to have some career moments this spring. Don't sleep on the clippers if PG and Kawhi can remain healthy.
Nuggets fan that absolutely loves OKC. They remind me a lot of the 2000 Nuggets that made that run to the WCF after just missing getting to the WCF the year before. A talented bunch of young guys ahead of schedule and in a sweet spot before everyone gets paid and the crazy depth goes away.
Yeah, there is just no history of an NBA team of players in their early 20s winning a ring, first time for everything but it's never happened. That's why I never thought Boston had a chance the past few years, Tatum was too young, history of the league is you don't win as the lead dog until your later 20s, unless you're Magic Johnson or Bill Russell, and they had older teammates.
I think it’s the contract with Spotify. Rogan does the same thing - he only drops clips. There’s some clause that says you can only release full-length stuff on Spotify
Saying Shai is mysterious and not on social media is wild, he’s been on GQ and other magazine covers, posts all the time and is famous for his captions, he posted that his girl is expecting a baby, Shai just puts that shit on and hoops 😂 he is laidback but not mysterious at all
Rob is much more suited to long-format discussions. On TV its a competition to get a couple sentences out so there’s no time to fully flesh out your thoughts or listen to others do the same
@@kadeholman414 Nuggets fan and I think they'll make it more than interesting. Too soon to win it but gonna put the fear of God into some playoff teams.
@@tompratt7125 The concern for the Nuggets is can OKC control the tempo? If they keep the game tempo up. Murray and Jokic's defense is exposed. Shai is too fast for anyone and OKC does not respect Jokic and drive right at him.
This is correct. They lack experience and know how. They may flounder under pressure not knowing how to handle specific scenarios they haven’t experienced. Time will tell
@@elizajane91 indeed. They’re a fun team watch grow, however. The Western Conference is shaping up to have some very interesting emerging power dynamics.
I don’t entirely understand Bill’s overreaction to OKC and Minnesota. These two teams are obviously very good and will likely end up with 55 to 60 wins by the end of the season, but the playoffs are just a different animal and neither one of these teams have deep playoff experience as a unit. Let’s hold off until April, May let alone June when the games are most important to see if they are going to be the same team against Denver, or the Clippers or even the Lakers. Maybe even Golden State.
The Lakers and Warriors have the most deluded fans on the internet. They seem to find it hard to accept reality , both those teams are washed . Lakers were lucky to make it to the West Finals last year when teams like the Wolves / OKC were not ready . This year you will see how irrelevant teams like the Lakers /Warriors & Suns are going to be come playoffs time “
@@nocturne311 You really believe in a 7 game playoff series that there ready to beat those teams 4 times? I'm pretty sure LeBron dropped 40 in OKC's building not too long ago and led them to victory. Experience, especially CHAMPIONSHIP experience matters in the playoffs. OKC with this unit minus Chet, hasn't even made it beyond a play-in tournament. We'll see what happens this spring.
I'll be interested to see what happens in the playoffs with OKC when the defensive intensity goes up because they are a bit on the small side and they can get pounded on the boards against certain teams. I still think they kind of need a power forward or center to come in and play maybe 20 minutes who can be a rim protector, play solid defense and rebound. Oddly enough I think they already have him in Pokusevski who never even plays now.
I think they could do a couple trades to ultimately win the championship this year. Maybe Poku and 2 first round picks for Caruso. He would provide experience and defensive stopper. The second trade is maybe for Lauri from Utah. It could be Giddey and a couple picks for him for more size and offensive help for Chet in the playoffs. Both players would not be rentals because you would have them under contract for next year.
There's nothing they could do to win a championship THIS season, that isn't like getting Lebron or whatever lol. Durant maybe. Just need patience. Their time will come.
watch a lot of thunder games, the best shai defenders I have seen are deni adjiva and mobley (mobley sparingly but does a great job using his length and not going for pump fakes)
I don’t understand how year in and year out people get so hyped in December and January. I’m not saying don’t enjoy the great games and good basketball, but nba basketball in January and nba basketball in June are two different animals. When the pace slows down to half court sets, and you have guys like KD and Lebron wearing you out and never getting rattled by the moment, that’s when you find out who you are. OKC and Minnesota look the tits on paper, but when you aren’t getting all the calls you get in January, when you are getting worn like a sweater instead of just some half ass “it’s a Tuesday in January and we got still got 50 to go, I ain’t fighting you that hard for this” defense, when you brick a couple on the national stage with all eyes on, the playoffs, the BIG time, If you can handle all of that, for four 7 game series’, playing 40+ minutes a night, then and only then are you a contender. Can’t recreate playoffs, no matter how much a game might mean, it’s still a regular season game. Nothing lights the fire like something to play for. Even the in season tournament, made for great basketball for sure, but it isn’t a ring. It isn’t a legacy defining statement. Nothing can get your blood pumping like a shot at a ring.
Why apologize to everyone else? ESPN is such a trashy outfit. Not o sure about the Austin Rivers part of Simmons' portfolio at the Ringer. But whatever.
@@joshuablack8221 I think he means OKC trading a bunch of those picks to the Raptors to get Siakam. I like it. Siakam is not a #1 guy. But #2 or #3? He'd be great and HAS been through the wars, has a ring. But, not 100% sure about him as a locker room guy. There are rumors from Toronto and he turned on Coach Nurse.
As a Thunder fan this is true. I just don’t see it happening because they have been saying since before they even drafted Giddey that they don’t want to rush the process because of the success. They will use the playoffs to see what the team needs and then go from there and shop lol
@@808bboarder never take things for granted. OKC have been through this before with incredible young nucleus during the KD, Russ, Harden, Ibaka years. If you don’t win in the next year or 2 then the pressure mounts. You can give yourself a longer runway by maximizing the window without much pressure if you add Siakam cantered around those picks with no significant impact to the current lineup besides some unnecessary salary going the otherway. You get a long 2 way wing @29 with championship experience the young squad needs
Clipper fan since the 90s, been watching the NBA since 1987, and a Clipper season ticket holder... having watched all of Shai's rookie year and I thought his potential was a multiple all-star averaging like 22pts 6ast 5rbs and a very good defender. I did not see him being a 30pt scorer or being as clutch as he's been or ever being a legit MVP candidate. When I heard the Clips traded him, I remember not liking it and thinking I'd rather keep Shai and build around what that 2018 team could evolve with and let Shah grow.
It’s tough huh lol I feel you as a Nets fan since their move to Brooklyn been through massive ups and downs and all around 😂 Hopefully you’re clips win a title this season 🫡
OKC only has the "no serious playoff experience" against them if they had already been there, multiple rounds of playoffs, i would be considering thems favs on the west.
The league is in a state of all time talent which means we are going to see all-time parity.. mix in all time high volume 3 point shooting, and it really feels like almost any team can beat anyone.. I really think the league should consider nerfing the 3 point shot in some way.. I don’t mind parity due to talent, but parity due to sheer volume of 3s feels like a slippery slope that may degrade the game we know and love.. it’s already pretty bad/boring considering most teams play exactly the same way. Also, I have a great idea for a show whenever u r ready
Dort might be the Smart of this team. Brilliant defensively, brings heart but takes ill advised shots and makes some blunders. Him and Giddey both might be off men out in the long run.
Shai doesn't care about media attention as rare as it may be. He is perfectly fine training his ass off and chilling with his lady. The less they know about you, the better.
Loved OKC since early last year and obviously even more impressed this year. But way too soon to be talking about them as title contenders. They've had one of the easiest home road schedules in the league with 19 at home and only 13 on the road and almost no back to backs. The schedule will eventually balance out and will be visiting them soon. Also, unless they can get some real size and strength along the front line I think they'll get punished in a playoff series v the Nuggets or Wolves. They'll likely have to beat one of those teams and possibly both to get to the Finals. I don't see that happening. Great regular season story so far.
I like OKC, I honestly thought they were going to make this leap last year, but never mistake regular season greatness for post season success (see 21-22 Memphis & 22-23 Kings). Lets enjoy the progress before we give them a crown.
and that’s why i’m saying we are on schedule and not jumping out the window. the 1-3 seeds lately for young teams are traps in the offs while I believe we’re better than that memphis team the kings had the defending champs on the ropes and it took curry going nuclear experience matters temper expectations ppl
man you did not just say the 'good' Jalen Williams, the disrespect J-Will gets is so wild, crazy to see it from somebody whose job is to talk about basketball
70% of sports commentary is "very short term reactionary." That's the point. What's what people enjoy talking about - was is happening right now. We know it can change. We know there are other contenders.
It’s not rude at all lol. J Dub is clearly many levels above him. They’re both in the nba. They’re both some of the best basketball players on the planet. Stop getting offended on someone else’s behalf.
SGA chocked hard last year against Minnesota in the play-in and was pretty average in the World Cup semi against Serbia. He kind of disappears in these games often, not to mention he is FT merchant and we know in the playoffs what happen to players like that when refs stop giving every ticky tack foul (Embiid, Harden). One difference could be Chet tho, that I can see pans out better for OKC.
Known for a couple of years now? Who you kidding. A couple of years ago Chet and Williams weren’t on the team. Before last year, okc shut down SGA two years in a row to tank making them one of the worst teams in the league. Last year was barely their coming out party and every analyst picked them to be a very good team this year. They are ahead of schedule because presti is a good GM. But don’t act like ppl are band wagoning now.
Do you feel better now that you've had your emotional outburst? Any OKC fan that has been watching games religiously, no matter their record, for at least the past 4 years saw this unfolding and isn't surprised at all. Chet was an unknown entity until this year and we still knew Presti would fill that role whether it was Chet or someone else. I'm not talking records...I'm talking watching every actual game and seeing what you got, seeing the culture, the chemistry and the potential. Not my fault if you don't have the skillset or the time invested as a fan to see these things happening in real time and have to wait until Bill Simmons tells you it's happening. Either way there's plenty of room for new fans so welcome to the bandwagon. @@josec2219
Chet is way better than I thought he was gonna be anytime soon. And Shai is mvp caliber. But healthy Nuggets will still beat them. And I think Boston & Philly would beat them in a 7 game series
@@jdankerdake I meant with offense. DiKembe had no offense. I was driving one day and DiKembe was right next to me in his Mercedes. He was driving from the back seat.
Completely off topic, but can we talk about what’s up with Lillard 👀 he’s been absolutely horrible this season. His shooting numbers are horrendous and he’s getting cooked in defence every possession
@@jdankerdake ur not watching games. He looks disengaged and most his points are from FTs. He’s not finishing at the rim like he used to, he’s not as explosive either.
@@jamesh7469 ur a causal go look at his game log right now. He’s shot under 45% in the last 8/15 games. Under 45% is horrendous for half ur games played in a month.
An OKC fan since KD so I have a little experience. By the way Shai is the featured model on the $4 billion Kardashian underwear. He is everywhere on the ads. Watch out for Chet as he puts on weight. He is never satisfied and don’t write off Giddey. Same reason.
Thank you Zach for keeping Bill in check lol. Bill- I’m thinking he’s making a case of the best coach in the league Zach- 🤢 don’t do that lol 😂. Dudes nowhere near that right now Bill chill.
Should we maybe wait and see what actually happens when the stakes start to matter? It's incredible to me how media makes the same mistake every year. Every year we have one or two up-and-coming teams, who have a fantastic regular season, and then fail in the playoffs, but the media pushed them as favorites so in the end they "disappoint" (when in reality they were ahead of the curve). Please stop and let the kids play. They need to fail a couple of times before they are truly ready to be considered title favorites, and if you think otherwise, please name me one young team that won it all in recent memory, without first going through at least a couple of learning experiences. Go ahead, I'll wait. If anything, TWolves are higher in the pecking order, and even for them I think they need to fail at least once or twice more before they are truly ready
Luka has made four All-NBA First Teams as a guard. He averages over 8 apg for his career and is his team’s primary playmaker. Bill is hung up on traditional positional designations. The game has evolved. Any sized player can do anything now.
This is a ridiculous statement to say OKC is now a contender. After beating the Celtics (at home no less) in January, are they now the NBA champions??!!! They are a good team that is having a good streak at this moment in time. OKC has been to ONE NBA finals (2012), and don’t have much pedigree as a franchise. Calm down everyone. Let’s see how they will play in Boston Garden(no TD for me), and if they do well then you may give them their due and credit. They are maybe 3rd or 4th best team in the Western Conference. Calm down Bill. #18
You probably haven’t watched them play much this season. What happened in the past or 2012 is completely irrelevant. Moving to the present day, their performances, including several blow out wins against top teams, at their homes, with all their talent active, have been very impressive and carry significance at this point in the season for what lies ahead. In addition to several other stats and their strength of schedule. Will they win a title…idk probably unlikely, are they a title contender, a good chance at this trajectory, but again, anything can happen. The Celtics are favorite right now , but again anything can happen and to your own point. Okc is damn good this season, I’ve seen every game this year, so we’ll see how things play out.
@@jerryuma I can tell that you by your statements you are an OKC fan which is absolutely fine. However, in the NBA playoffs unless you have unbelievable talent and pedigree as a franchise, you will not get the favorable calls in the playoffs. This team with SGA and Chet Holmgren is a good story, and they play with a great deal of exuberance, and on their 33 games this season I have watched maybe 10 games which they were 7-3 (out of their 23-10 record). They are young and brash very similar to their 2012 team when KD, Westbrook and Harden were 23, 22 and 22 when they didn’t get one call in close games (such as Lebron fouling KD in game 2 or who could forget all of the missed calls against them in game 4 of that series). They are a good team, but as NBA favorite it is highly optimistic!!!!!
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Bill, you need to upload the full podcasts to youtube. Please.
I don't think spotify will allow it :(
It's not the business model. They make a lot of money with Spotify and these are mostly teasers to get you to subscribe. But Spotify is like cable TV: you are paying for ALL of it, including the nutsos like Joe Rogan.
@@David-iv6jelol I’ve never payed for Spotify in my life and I listen every day
@@Joes35 Maybe a personal bug of mine: I HATE ads. But I can use ad blocker for RUclips. :)
@@David-iv6je Spotify allows for video and audio podcasts. Some of us enjoy seeing the faces we are listening to!
You still have to pick the Nuggets because they have the experience. But OKC and Minnesota will be tough outs in the playoffs. Ant and Shai are about to have some career moments this spring. Don't sleep on the clippers if PG and Kawhi can remain healthy.
Nuggets fan that absolutely loves OKC. They remind me a lot of the 2000 Nuggets that made that run to the WCF after just missing getting to the WCF the year before. A talented bunch of young guys ahead of schedule and in a sweet spot before everyone gets paid and the crazy depth goes away.
losing jeff green and bruce brown matters
I feel if khawi just wants to play they will be unbelievable
@@orenthaljames2534 Jeff Green was trash last year on the court. His contribution was in the locker room.
Yeah, there is just no history of an NBA team of players in their early 20s winning a ring, first time for everything but it's never happened. That's why I never thought Boston had a chance the past few years, Tatum was too young, history of the league is you don't win as the lead dog until your later 20s, unless you're Magic Johnson or Bill Russell, and they had older teammates.
Bills aversion to youtube is concerning drop the pods on youtube in entirety for God's sake
Probably worried about the Spotify and apple numbers declining
Maybe Spotify contract does not allow
It’s a Spotify exclusive you didn’t see the bag they dropped on the ringer
He lost JJ Reddick because of that
I think it’s the contract with Spotify. Rogan does the same thing - he only drops clips. There’s some clause that says you can only release full-length stuff on Spotify
That SGA / Hockey player comparison is so perfect !
Haha I thought of the sedins methodical nature. It checks out!
Thunder and Wolves are most fun teams in NBA
Saying Shai is mysterious and not on social media is wild, he’s been on GQ and other magazine covers, posts all the time and is famous for his captions, he posted that his girl is expecting a baby, Shai just puts that shit on and hoops 😂 he is laidback but not mysterious at all
He also is in a few commercials
He is so mild mannered he seems mysterious but that’s just Shai
Mr Lowe is so much more relaxed with Bill than when he is on the cable outlet.
Rob is much more suited to long-format discussions. On TV its a competition to get a couple sentences out so there’s no time to fully flesh out your thoughts or listen to others do the same
They are the nuggets from 3 years ago. Great regular season but probably not quite ready to win it all.
From an okc fan who never could think of a comp for Shai, the hockey forward is perfect
His comp to me stylistically is MJ
Nuggets are and should be the favorites.
I think what Bill was trying to say was that OKC will seed higher than the Nuggets because the Nuggets are saving themselves for the post season
as an okc fan i agree, i'd pick nuggets or celtics to win it. but nobody should be surprised at this point if okc makes it interesting
@@kadeholman414 no doubt. It would be super fun to see them make a deep playoff run.
@@kadeholman414 Nuggets fan and I think they'll make it more than interesting. Too soon to win it but gonna put the fear of God into some playoff teams.
@@tompratt7125 The concern for the Nuggets is can OKC control the tempo? If they keep the game tempo up. Murray and Jokic's defense is exposed. Shai is too fast for anyone and OKC does not respect Jokic and drive right at him.
Can you please upload the ENTIRE podcast? Give the people what they want!!!
You can easily listen on Apple Podcasts 😎
With all due respect, we need to see OKC in multiple playoff series before we anoint them the odd on favorites.
This is correct. They lack experience and know how. They may flounder under pressure not knowing how to handle specific scenarios they haven’t experienced. Time will tell
@@elizajane91 indeed. They’re a fun team watch grow, however. The Western Conference is shaping up to have some very interesting emerging power dynamics.
Is there a way to watch the full podcast with video I don’t see it on Spotify
I don’t entirely understand Bill’s overreaction to OKC and Minnesota. These two teams are obviously very good and will likely end up with 55 to 60 wins by the end of the season, but the playoffs are just a different animal and neither one of these teams have deep playoff experience as a unit. Let’s hold off until April, May let alone June when the games are most important to see if they are going to be the same team against Denver, or the Clippers or even the Lakers. Maybe even Golden State.
You don't understand Bill's overreaction to OKC and MIN because you think that the Lakers and Warriors might still have a chance.
Golden state ? They maybe finish the season .500
Golden State and Lakers lmao. Time for the new blood. Those old bums aren't doing anything. GS will not even make the playoffs, bub
The Lakers and Warriors have the most deluded fans on the internet. They seem to find it hard to accept reality , both those teams are washed . Lakers were lucky to make it to the West Finals last year when teams like the Wolves / OKC were not ready . This year you will see how irrelevant teams like the Lakers /Warriors & Suns are going to be come playoffs time “
@@nocturne311 You really believe in a 7 game playoff series that there ready to beat those teams 4 times? I'm pretty sure LeBron dropped 40 in OKC's building not too long ago and led them to victory. Experience, especially CHAMPIONSHIP experience matters in the playoffs. OKC with this unit minus Chet, hasn't even made it beyond a play-in tournament. We'll see what happens this spring.
Buddy said Shai is not a big social media guy 😂
Only part you was wrong was Shai social media presence he’s best dressed and his captions always cold
Great call.
I'll be interested to see what happens in the playoffs with OKC when the defensive intensity goes up because they are a bit on the small side and they can get pounded on the boards against certain teams. I still think they kind of need a power forward or center to come in and play maybe 20 minutes who can be a rim protector, play solid defense and rebound. Oddly enough I think they already have him in Pokusevski who never even plays now.
Been really impressed with the Thunder coach and Timbwrwolves coach
There's actually a really good GQ piece on Shai written by Tyler Tynes. I was surprised Bill and Zach didn't know.
They also said he has no social media presence. They obviously don’t know he has the best fits and captions in the game 😮💨
I think they could do a couple trades to ultimately win the championship this year. Maybe Poku and 2 first round picks for Caruso. He would provide experience and defensive stopper. The second trade is maybe for Lauri from Utah. It could be Giddey and a couple picks for him for more size and offensive help for Chet in the playoffs. Both players would not be rentals because you would have them under contract for next year.
There's nothing they could do to win a championship THIS season, that isn't like getting Lebron or whatever lol. Durant maybe. Just need patience. Their time will come.
The hockey comparison is really apt for shai
watch a lot of thunder games, the best shai defenders I have seen are deni adjiva and mobley (mobley sparingly but does a great job using his length and not going for pump fakes)
I don’t understand how year in and year out people get so hyped in December and January. I’m not saying don’t enjoy the great games and good basketball, but nba basketball in January and nba basketball in June are two different animals. When the pace slows down to half court sets, and you have guys like KD and Lebron wearing you out and never getting rattled by the moment, that’s when you find out who you are. OKC and Minnesota look the tits on paper, but when you aren’t getting all the calls you get in January, when you are getting worn like a sweater instead of just some half ass “it’s a Tuesday in January and we got still got 50 to go, I ain’t fighting you that hard for this” defense, when you brick a couple on the national stage with all eyes on, the playoffs, the BIG time, If you can handle all of that, for four 7 game series’, playing 40+ minutes a night, then and only then are you a contender. Can’t recreate playoffs, no matter how much a game might mean, it’s still a regular season game. Nothing lights the fire like something to play for. Even the in season tournament, made for great basketball for sure, but it isn’t a ring. It isn’t a legacy defining statement. Nothing can get your blood pumping like a shot at a ring.
That hockey analogy was perfect
I rewatched bill correcting Jdub a few times thank you sir
Embiid. Giannis. Jokic. Luka. Shai. Top 5 dudes in the league. No debate.
that’s a nice five
Shai is better than Luka. Luka restricts ball and player movement.
Bill, and adding Zack, is SO MUCH DAMN FUN,. Bill, and apologies to everyone else, has reset sports commentary
Why apologize to everyone else? ESPN is such a trashy outfit.
Not o sure about the Austin Rivers part of Simmons' portfolio at the Ringer. But whatever.
Where’s the full pod?
How this isn't in HD is ridiculous and hilarious to me lol come on Bill
You wanna see Zach Lowe’s pores that badly
So is your mom
so is your dad @@tombystander
so is your dad @@stinkyfingers1617
Herb Jones is the best I’ve seen guard SGA
Interesting take, SGA the canadien hockey style pg:)
You need a podcast studio and the entire pod uploaded plz
You add Siakam to this team and they are ready to win it all THIS year. Fits like a glove.
What team?
i like lauri better
@@joshuablack8221 I think he means OKC trading a bunch of those picks to the Raptors to get Siakam. I like it. Siakam is not a #1 guy. But #2 or #3? He'd be great and HAS been through the wars, has a ring. But, not 100% sure about him as a locker room guy. There are rumors from Toronto and he turned on Coach Nurse.
As a Thunder fan this is true. I just don’t see it happening because they have been saying since before they even drafted Giddey that they don’t want to rush the process because of the success. They will use the playoffs to see what the team needs and then go from there and shop lol
@@808bboarder never take things for granted. OKC have been through this before with incredible young nucleus during the KD, Russ, Harden, Ibaka years. If you don’t win in the next year or 2 then the pressure mounts. You can give yourself a longer runway by maximizing the window without much pressure if you add Siakam cantered around those picks with no significant impact to the current lineup besides some unnecessary salary going the otherway. You get a long 2 way wing @29 with championship experience the young squad needs
w bill simmons + goat zach on one pod
Bill owns the podcast game but not sure if his RUclips shorts are hitting the spot for me.
presti's guy can do everything - score at 3 levels, dribble pass shoot and guard multiple positions
OKC is too young right now. BUT, they are going to be A LOAD when they get experience.
They will get picked apart by a big market team that’s just a fact.
@@emunety they can keep the core of Chet/j dub/Shai together, they’ll be fine
First off Kobe at ten is fucking nuts, and on top of that, curry over Kobe!? Bill brother, I’m gonna need an episode for that
shai has the best instagram in the league
Clipper fan since the 90s, been watching the NBA since 1987, and a Clipper season ticket holder... having watched all of Shai's rookie year and I thought his potential was a multiple all-star averaging like 22pts 6ast 5rbs and a very good defender. I did not see him being a 30pt scorer or being as clutch as he's been or ever being a legit MVP candidate. When I heard the Clips traded him, I remember not liking it and thinking I'd rather keep Shai and build around what that 2018 team could evolve with and let Shah grow.
It’s tough huh lol I feel you as a Nets fan since their move to Brooklyn been through massive ups and downs and all around 😂
Hopefully you’re clips win a title this season 🫡
Sangun did not want to come to OKC said "I'm happy! I would have been bored out of my mind there" after he was traded
@10:00 isaac on the magic. and yes a prime kawhi.
Hawks DOMINATED them
This is the biggest prisoner of the moment take I have ever seen. Why favorites, why not GOAT team with GOAT player?
OKC only has the "no serious playoff experience" against them if they had already been there, multiple rounds of playoffs, i would be considering thems favs on the west.
The league is in a state of all time talent which means we are going to see all-time parity.. mix in all time high volume 3 point shooting, and it really feels like almost any team can beat anyone.. I really think the league should consider nerfing the 3 point shot in some way.. I don’t mind parity due to talent, but parity due to sheer volume of 3s feels like a slippery slope that may degrade the game we know and love.. it’s already pretty bad/boring considering most teams play exactly the same way. Also, I have a great idea for a show whenever u r ready
Dort might be the Smart of this team. Brilliant defensively, brings heart but takes ill advised shots and makes some blunders. Him and Giddey both might be off men out in the long run.
no one benefits more from studio H&M and lighting than Zach Lowe
Kawhi is pretty mysterious bill
Bill u should release your parlays everyday
Going to redo this episode after losing to Hawks?
why is bill still butthurt luka plays PG lol get over it he runs the damn offense and one of the best at it of all time
7:18 Still mad about this and will probably never get over it lol
Somebody hire Bill Simmons as a gm. It will pay off
I choked when bill said he has curry over Kobe all time.
Shai doesn't care about media attention as rare as it may be. He is perfectly fine training his ass off and chilling with his lady. The less they know about you, the better.
They should go out and attempt to get pascal siakam
Loved OKC since early last year and obviously even more impressed this year. But way too soon to be talking about them as title contenders. They've had one of the easiest home road schedules in the league with 19 at home and only 13 on the road and almost no back to backs. The schedule will eventually balance out and will be visiting them soon. Also, unless they can get some real size and strength along the front line I think they'll get punished in a playoff series v the Nuggets or Wolves. They'll likely have to beat one of those teams and possibly both to get to the Finals. I don't see that happening. Great regular season story so far.
Yet they have beaten the best of teams
I like OKC, I honestly thought they were going to make this leap last year, but never mistake regular season greatness for post season success (see 21-22 Memphis & 22-23 Kings). Lets enjoy the progress before we give them a crown.
Agreed, the case with them tho is they have the best player in that 3
and that’s why i’m saying we are on schedule and not jumping out the window. the 1-3 seeds lately for young teams are traps in the offs while I believe we’re better than that memphis team the kings had the defending champs on the ropes and it took curry going nuclear experience matters temper expectations ppl
If they won it all this year (which is highly unlikely) I think that skyrockets Shai Above Tatum
Jesus, they win one regular season game at home against the Celtics and now they’re title favorites 😂😂😂 sports media is in the gutter
I like how Bill Simmons points out that Daryl Morey was too in love with his own brilliance and innovation, so he broadcasted it too much.
man you did not just say the 'good' Jalen Williams, the disrespect J-Will gets is so wild, crazy to see it from somebody whose job is to talk about basketball
People are very short term reactionary
Jus the o es that can sell it
70% of sports commentary is "very short term reactionary." That's the point. What's what people enjoy talking about - was is happening right now. We know it can change. We know there are other contenders.
@@johnray527not all of it is clickbait though. Did you read the title?
When will Bill and Zach get better webcams? They are currently using a potato
9:30 he on canada tv that's why you don't see it
number #1 ball handler…. Bill Simmons.
Loves the nuts, I mean balls. I mean Lebron.
OKC a lot like the Grizzlies last year.
Not even close 😂😂😂
And I’m an okc fan
Bill putting curry above Kobe all time is one of his worst takes of all time
Bill putting LeBron over Kobe is his worst take of all-time.
Both statements above are true
So rude to Jaylin Williams to say he's just not the good Jalen Williams
It’s not rude at all lol. J Dub is clearly many levels above him. They’re both in the nba. They’re both some of the best basketball players on the planet. Stop getting offended on someone else’s behalf.
nah im offended on my own behalf as an arkansas fan@@mikeposner8563
SGA chocked hard last year against Minnesota in the play-in and was pretty average in the World Cup semi against Serbia. He kind of disappears in these games often, not to mention he is FT merchant and we know in the playoffs what happen to players like that when refs stop giving every ticky tack foul (Embiid, Harden). One difference could be Chet tho, that I can see pans out better for OKC.
Steph over Kobe is criminal on so many levels
All these Jonny come lately folks....welcome to the show. OKC fans have known this for a couple of years now. It's just the Presti plan unfolding.
Known for a couple of years now? Who you kidding. A couple of years ago Chet and Williams weren’t on the team. Before last year, okc shut down SGA two years in a row to tank making them one of the worst teams in the league. Last year was barely their coming out party and every analyst picked them to be a very good team this year. They are ahead of schedule because presti is a good GM. But don’t act like ppl are band wagoning now.
Do you feel better now that you've had your emotional outburst? Any OKC fan that has been watching games religiously, no matter their record, for at least the past 4 years saw this unfolding and isn't surprised at all. Chet was an unknown entity until this year and we still knew Presti would fill that role whether it was Chet or someone else. I'm not talking records...I'm talking watching every actual game and seeing what you got, seeing the culture, the chemistry and the potential. Not my fault if you don't have the skillset or the time invested as a fan to see these things happening in real time and have to wait until Bill Simmons tells you it's happening. Either way there's plenty of room for new fans so welcome to the bandwagon. @@josec2219
Chet is way better than I thought he was gonna be anytime soon. And Shai is mvp caliber. But healthy Nuggets will still beat them. And I think Boston & Philly would beat them in a 7 game series
You've got to add the Bucks to that list. OKC's real weakness is dealing with size and strength up front and the Bucks have plenty of that.
I doubt Philly, as currently constructed, would beat OKC in a 7 game series 💯
Chet is the best shot blocker since Akeem. I agree with you. I had no idea he was this good.
@@Gnofg ??? Wemby averages more blocks per game and has a higher block rate than Chet. And… Dikembe Mutombo never played?
@@jdankerdake I meant with offense. DiKembe had no offense.
I was driving one day and DiKembe was right next to me in his Mercedes. He was driving from the back seat.
Who will you trade to NY for Hartenstein? It can't be Josh Giddey. He is not a Knicks type of player.
Completely off topic, but can we talk about what’s up with Lillard 👀 he’s been absolutely horrible this season. His shooting numbers are horrendous and he’s getting cooked in defence every possession
You're cherry picking, this is simply not true outside of the first 10 games of the season on a brand new team
He’s at his career average with slightly lower efficiency. He’s always been bad defensively.
@@jdankerdake ur not watching games. He looks disengaged and most his points are from FTs. He’s not finishing at the rim like he used to, he’s not as explosive either.
@@jamesh7469 ur a causal go look at his game log right now. He’s shot under 45% in the last 8/15 games. Under 45% is horrendous for half ur games played in a month.
Bill can't get through 10 minutes without talking about all time rankings and current rankings of players.
From no playoffs to title favorites, has it ever been done?
If you Yankees need someone to stop SGA, just call Aleksa Avramovic!
Shiitt just make a lauri + clarkson trade and go all in.
Thank you Scott Perry for selecting Kevin Knox over SGA, then Obi Toppin over TyreseHalliburton. Cry😢
I can live with missing Halliburton, but SGA hurts 😢
Just throwing it out there, they remind me of the 94 hornets.
Give credit to COACH. Mike is proven himself as a top 5 coach in the league.
It's Mark...
@@MrJay007jMb
Shae is the MVP so far ... end of story
Clippers are legit 💯
An OKC fan since KD so I have a little experience. By the way Shai is the featured model on the $4 billion Kardashian underwear. He is everywhere on the ads. Watch out for Chet as he puts on weight. He is never satisfied and don’t write off Giddey. Same reason.
OKC is getting the same attention ORL got after they beat BOS. There is no way they get to the finals
why are we doing this - bill dont need this clickbait
They must not know who Andrew Schlecht is
Thank you Zach for keeping Bill in check lol.
Bill- I’m thinking he’s making a case of the best coach in the league
Zach- 🤢 don’t do that lol 😂. Dudes nowhere near that right now Bill chill.
Should we maybe wait and see what actually happens when the stakes start to matter? It's incredible to me how media makes the same mistake every year.
Every year we have one or two up-and-coming teams, who have a fantastic regular season, and then fail in the playoffs, but the media pushed them as favorites so in the end they "disappoint" (when in reality they were ahead of the curve). Please stop and let the kids play. They need to fail a couple of times before they are truly ready to be considered title favorites, and if you think otherwise, please name me one young team that won it all in recent memory, without first going through at least a couple of learning experiences. Go ahead, I'll wait.
If anything, TWolves are higher in the pecking order, and even for them I think they need to fail at least once or twice more before they are truly ready
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Hey Bill...If Luka isnt a guard then neither was Magic
He's just so wrong on this and it's funny lol
Luka has made four All-NBA First Teams as a guard. He averages over 8 apg for his career and is his team’s primary playmaker. Bill is hung up on traditional positional designations. The game has evolved. Any sized player can do anything now.
Nope. Their youth and inexperience will hurt them in the playoffs. They have no idea the plethora of strange and intense scenarios which arise.
This is a ridiculous statement to say OKC is now a contender. After beating the Celtics (at home no less) in January, are they now the NBA champions??!!!
They are a good team that is having a good streak at this moment in time.
OKC has been to ONE NBA finals (2012), and don’t have much pedigree as a franchise.
Calm down everyone. Let’s see how they will play in Boston Garden(no TD for me), and if they do well then you may give them their due and credit.
They are maybe 3rd or 4th best team in the Western Conference.
Calm down Bill. #18
You probably haven’t watched them play much this season. What happened in the past or 2012 is completely irrelevant. Moving to the present day, their performances, including several blow out wins against top teams, at their homes, with all their talent active, have been very impressive and carry significance at this point in the season for what lies ahead. In addition to several other stats and their strength of schedule. Will they win a title…idk probably unlikely, are they a title contender, a good chance at this trajectory, but again, anything can happen. The Celtics are favorite right now , but again anything can happen and to your own point. Okc is damn good this season, I’ve seen every game this year, so we’ll see how things play out.
@@jerryuma I can tell that you by your statements you are an OKC fan which is absolutely fine. However, in the NBA playoffs unless you have unbelievable talent and pedigree as a franchise, you will not get the favorable calls in the playoffs. This team with SGA and Chet Holmgren is a good story, and they play with a great deal of exuberance, and on their 33 games this season I have watched maybe 10 games which they were 7-3 (out of their 23-10 record). They are young and brash very similar to their 2012 team when KD, Westbrook and Harden were 23, 22 and 22 when they didn’t get one call in close games (such as Lebron fouling KD in game 2 or who could forget all of the missed calls against them in game 4 of that series).
They are a good team, but as NBA favorite it is highly optimistic!!!!!
@@mshahnazi7636 I appreciate your kind response and feedback.
He’ s 6’5 !!!!!!!! with ja morant handles hahah
Steph above Kobe? 🤡
As long as they don't play Jalen Johnson
Lowe is looking like a turtle, he may want to grow a mustache or something 😂
They are one solid rebounder away from winning a championship