I will never understand how people say someone has an "off night" when they were being defended well, all game. People say defense isn't a thing, but when good defenders harass and defend well, it's, "ah man, if this guy just didn't have an off night, we could have won!" Instead of ,"man, the other team just played good defense." It happens all the time. Both of these teams are great defensive teams. Let's give them props for their defense instead of claiming someone just "wasn't feeling confident in their shot." I'm sure JB will happen to find confidence in his shot playing against the Jazz on Friday...
Here's why: When a player is a max contract guy because he has great-to-elite offense, that player figures out how to score while being defended really tough. Jalen Brown should not be locked down by good defense and some of the threes he missed were very makeable. So yes, great defense was played, but it was also still an off-night.
@chili015 But when a player is taking a contested shot after a contested shot and rightfully missing them, you should say that the other team took the player's confidence instead of the player just not having it this night. I can see after going 3/12 not having confidence in your shot, and that's why a player is missing open ones. Bad shooting nights happen, but using that as a catchall excuse every time someone has a poor game is disingenuous to the sport and the players.
@@andrewbryan434 - I'll put it a different way, then... good offense always beats good defense in the NBA. Jalen Brown faces tough defenses all the time and he always draws the #1 defender when he's on the floor and Tatum's on the bench. It's fine to give the defender credit, but with Brown's offensive skill set, it's an off night. Good scorers always find ways to get their points no matter who is guarding them.
Na they didnt play great defense on brown. Brown played terrible. He took bad shots. And turned it over with no pressure from the defense. Alot of the shots he missed were layups and open threes.
It makes perfect sense for horford and KP to play the same game of the back to back. It helps figure out the playoff rotation and then the other game is to let guys get minutes. They don't need to worry about winning every game
The Thunder have two nearly unguardable calls in their bag. The SGA stop on a dime dribble drive and the J Dub drive to the mid post, shoulder bump step back. I watched him murder the Nuggets all night and he must’ve done the same thing 10 12 times in that game. And when the game was on the line he did it to Tatum.
whenever simmons talks about another player who's 26, he claims they're who they're gonna be for their career, but with tatum it's 'he's still not who he's gonna be' just funny, they've been watching him lose series with more talent around him than his opponent for like 6 years now and he's still convincing himself that tatum's that guy
@@MultiBluedog123Harden was an offensive juggernaut are we being serious here? Like what are you trying to say that anybody could have done what he did?
As a Mavs fan, listening to them talk about how Porzingis is their super power is so depressing. I don't know how much of the blame goes to Luka for that whole thing not working out - but I'm laying 100% of it at his feet in my heart right now.
Also Porzingis had to let his ego die on the wizards and realize he is best served as a 3rd option. In Dallas he wanted to be the 1st option. So a lot of it is timing, Iverson left like 4 more seasons on the table because of how hard that truly is.
Respectfully disagree on Brown’s bad performance as just typical bad playoff type game and that those turnovers are “unforced”. I’d like to think OKC’s defende had something to do with it.
Ok Giddy is not “awful” but he’s not at all good either. Teams will continue to choose to sag off him & help/pack the paint. Unless he becomes a consistent shooter on higher volume.
Lauri Markkanen was rumored to be on Presti’s watchlist awhile back but I think Utah wants the moon for him now. I agree though, they can beat anybody but in a 7 game series, I can see the lack of size, specifically on limiting second chance points, being a problem.
This is a video where Bill Simmons gets to talk himself into the Celtics being a favorite. As it stands, they may be the favorite. The Thunderate there match, and all they’re missing is a big for Porzongis. What happens if they flip their picks for Lauri Markenen, and Jordan Clarkson? Holy Moly!! If that happens, the league goes through the Thunder forever!
Jrue has been pretty rough on the block and at the rim. I think most of it has to do with what they ask of him on the defensive end... not only is his assignment constantly changing he's always fighting through and over screens. In addition he's also running his ass off on switches and kick outs for 3. I think his legs are paying the price on the offensive end you can see it in his lift off and how often he front rims bunnies.
Tatum is a total poser, Mamba Mentality my arse....GEESH, Kobe would just look at him, like, YOU ARE DEAD TO ME. DEFEND. PUNISH. That is Mamba Mentality
SGA seems to have the same sort of trickle down effect that the Joker has, I.e. the entire team even the second unit, seems smarter, passes better, etc. Shai doesn’t look spectacular (he is!) doing what he does, so teammates think “hey, I could do that too” (they can’t) and it stretches their game and court IQ. I think the Thunder are a piece or two away from making the finals. The rumored Markkanen trade sounds shrewd, so long as they don’t give up any of their top 8, just picks.
Jrue holiday was hands the worst on the floor Jb has a bad game & now he’s the problem again😂😂 stop throwing Jb under the bus he’s been more consistent then anyone on the team all season
This came down to three plays, all Jaylen. Top 6 Tatum chucking a horrific 3 with 4 minutes left was not one of them. The best part was Bill describing Jrue's play as Smart-ish and it being a compliment. Dude can't finish two sentences without contradicting himself.
here's the real questions 1. Does Joe choose not to make adjustments because he doesn't want to show all his cards in the regular season 2. Did Joe actually care about winning that game 3. Can Jaylen brown be an elite perimeter defending wing when the team needs him to ? 4. Is jayson Tatum playing with too much weight and that's why he can't get the lift in his jumpshot for his alarming decrease in 3pt makes
Joe Mazzula will lose the C's the championship at some point in this year's playoffs .. Book it ..... There will come a game where you need an ugly win with nuts and bolts of playoff basketball which is offensive rebounding, deflections, xtra possessions with hustle, FTs etc.... They have the players but the coach will jeopardize them I'm prognosticating....
Yeah don't forget he came off 18 months without basketball in Dallas and then a meniscus tear after 2 games in bubble playoffs. He hasn't had any serious injuries for years now.
I swear yall just mad cuz your teams suck 😂. People hate on tatum for the worst reasons. Dude' playoff resume clears damn near all his peers. But yea talk about disappearing acts by all means
Love all the reactionary people saying this is why the Celtics can’t win the chip. I think this is the reason many Western conference teams can’t win the chip but the Celtics played a great game and will have more ability to plan against matchups like this
The NBA just hates the celtics. This shot is wild annoying. When the celtics win these mfers be like "they still aint gonna win", if they lose a game "thats why they wont win"
@@truth3412 - Well, welcome to the world of the Boston Celtics. It’s the same world as the Dallas Cowboys. One of the most visible, watched franchises in all of American 🇺🇸 pro sports. 🤷🏻♂️
Bill. This is literally not how the game went. Yes, the Celtics made the adjustment but the Thunder still figured it out afterwards and Jalen wasn't the only problem defensively lol. You've been on the Jalen hate train for so long, we get it. You want him traded lol.
So I suppose they decided to upload videos on struggling pods at the Ringer to drive more engagement. Bill pulled off the greatest heist in recent memory. Sold basically 2 pods for $100m. Everything else on the Ringer besides Bill’s pod and Rewatchables is worthless.
I cannot wait for May when Boston flops and Philadelphia flops and Milwaukee and Miami are in the conference finals. It's going to be hilarious watching you squirm 😂
This contract won’t look as bad in a couple years when role players are making 40-50mill. I wouldn’t have done the deal if I were the Celtics but it made sense for the future deals.
Brown is still struggling with handling the ball which was a big reason they got beat by miami in the playoffs as good as boston seem they don't have the mentality to win the chip
RUclips over podcast release. I keep seeing this trend b/c video clips are better for socials. Sucks since pods are more convenient for listening to while walking, cooking, etc. I'll adapt but 👎🏾
Tatum is still better than SGA. His versatility on both sides of the ball is the main reason. this allows a team to deploy a wider variety of schemes in the playoffs when teams are rly playing chess - offensively tatum is a better shooter from 3. tatum is a better screener. tatum is a better offensive rebounder. all of that makes him better off ball than shai. on top of that his physical stature creates more mismatches that teams are forced to address w a double defensively he can guard 1-4 at an elite level and even some centers. he rebounds better than shai. better rim deterrent. overall better defender clearly. you saw part of the effect of his versatility in this game. guarded chet well and then towards the end of this game shuts shai down when his all defensive team teammates couldnt get it done. its the reason they came back from down 18 and almost pulled off the come back
btw I LOVE SHAI. i think shai is better than luka but tatum has a greater impact on winning giannis, embiid(when healthy), jokic, steph, tatum ,sga, luka, kd, ad, bron is my top 10 - could hear diff arguments at #10 but lebrons best is still better than any1 below him except maybe kawhi.
@@kb5509 to me hes as good on offense given his pace and versatility - youre gonna win the possession battle more often w shai. he kills in transition. is better off ball which is an underrated part of making teammates better. he gets off it n lets teammates cook. all while scoring as, if not more, prolifically and efficiently. hes 6/7apg next to lukas 10 but still a great play maker. we dont even have to talk abt the defensive end...stops n turnovers on that end reinforce his transition attack and emphasize points I made earlier Also while it’s hard to stop Luka’s force feeding offense, no1 can guard shai either n his versatility on both sides gives a coach more options in the playoffs (similar to why I put tatum over shai)
How spoiled are we as fans that Porzingis, a 7'3" guy with shooting and wing skills who averages 20 ppg nearly every year, is considered just another guy? Is it an anti-Euro bias?
Cason Wallace didn’t look great? I thought he was excellent. You typically say you are impressed with his play against other teams. He was typical Cason. Hit one of two 3’s. 3 assists. Didn’t back down in anybody on defense and along with JDub was attacking on defense causing disruptions during the decisive early 4th quarter run. If that didn’t impress you then I can understand that. Nothing monumental…. But it was the exact same Cason from every other game so maybe you need to reevaluate your opinion of him overall.
Celtics should have been blown out but we all saw the last 2 minutes with the refs. And ill just leave this here.... The Vegas odds was OKC +4.5.... What a coincidence.
@@Wkndgolfer The spread was 4.5. OKC was the underdog and if they won by more than 4, they would have beaten the spread and Vegas and/or bookies (possibly buying NBA refs for the third time in my life) would have lost WAY more than if OKC was within the spread.
Tatum is a great player but I just don’t think u can win the title with him as ur closer and best offensive player. He just gets big dogged by all the other superstars consistently in big games. At what point do we just say he doesn’t have the dog. I think the Celtics would be better if they acknowledged this and built a team around him where he doesn’t have to close big games. Like what the bucks did getting dame so Giannis’s offensive limitations aren’t the focus late in games.
Wait… does the 2021 run not do anything for him? I remember him being incredibly clutch against bucks, especially game 6 on the road. Yes, he collapsed in the finals but I think the narrative of him not being a dawg is overblown. Ive seen him be clutch in big moments
@@AlanMane he had a great game 6 but everybody who watched that series saw Gianni’s be far and away the best player in the series. With Giannis at that level there is no way the Celtics beat a healthy bucks team that year. People forget Middleton did not play a single game in that series and it still went 7. Tatum can close games when he has an overwhelming talent advantage,but he is bad at getting the team into their offense late in games and makes poor decisions, takes terrible threes when he is by the numbers the worst high volume pull-up three point shooter in the league. He makes poor rim decisions late in games and does not see the floor well to give his team matchup advantages. The numbers bear this out as he has been a poor clutch player over the past couple of years. I genuinely like Tatum game I just don’t trust him in big spots against other great players.
I swear to God yall just say anything you feel. How is he always getting big dogged by other superstars when in his career hes only lost to Lebron, Giannis, KD/Kyrie/harden, Jimmy Butler and steph....but hes also beaten Giannis 2x and Embid 3x. You literally making shit up. Yes tatum didnt play well to his standards in the Finals. He still averaged 22/7/7. This comment is nonsensical if you make it to the finals and multiple conference finals as the #1 option. Noone thought lebron was ever gonna win until he did. Same thing for steph. Same thing for kobe and shaq. Same thing for jordan. But you dont just come out of nowhere, you gotta keep knocking at the door.
Jaylen Brown 320mio guaranteed !!!!! … and 2nd year player J Dub can put his shoulder down in the clutch and simply kill the Celts like that. Highly sus. This was a big game. A statement game and the Celtics are a big franchise with a seasoned contending team. At what point is Boston looking at Brown ? Tatum is uber talented and skilled, he s not a killer. You can‘t afford Brown to earn this money and float around so often. When the war gets hot, i trust Horford and White to come through on the Celtics
As much hype sports media praises the Celtics they have 1 title in 35yrs The Milwaukee bucks and raps have as many titles as this historic franchise is being praised the last 35yrs. The most overrated overhyped franchise ever in the last 35yrs. Sports media as much as they talk Celtics ball and jerk off to Tatum is embarrassing.
@@kam_12_ if you had just watched the media the last few months you’d think that jrue was the top 75 player and dame was just some guy 😂 Media still mad the bucks got a superstar
The issue with Joe is that he takes too long to make adjustments when it's just too late. Also, he needs to pull Jaylen from the game and bench him when he sucks. Completely awful performance . When Jaylen is bad, he is rotten.
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I will never understand how people say someone has an "off night" when they were being defended well, all game. People say defense isn't a thing, but when good defenders harass and defend well, it's, "ah man, if this guy just didn't have an off night, we could have won!" Instead of ,"man, the other team just played good defense." It happens all the time. Both of these teams are great defensive teams. Let's give them props for their defense instead of claiming someone just "wasn't feeling confident in their shot." I'm sure JB will happen to find confidence in his shot playing against the Jazz on Friday...
Here's why: When a player is a max contract guy because he has great-to-elite offense, that player figures out how to score while being defended really tough. Jalen Brown should not be locked down by good defense and some of the threes he missed were very makeable. So yes, great defense was played, but it was also still an off-night.
Brown does not have elite offense...@@chili015
@chili015 But when a player is taking a contested shot after a contested shot and rightfully missing them, you should say that the other team took the player's confidence instead of the player just not having it this night. I can see after going 3/12 not having confidence in your shot, and that's why a player is missing open ones. Bad shooting nights happen, but using that as a catchall excuse every time someone has a poor game is disingenuous to the sport and the players.
@@andrewbryan434 - I'll put it a different way, then... good offense always beats good defense in the NBA. Jalen Brown faces tough defenses all the time and he always draws the #1 defender when he's on the floor and Tatum's on the bench. It's fine to give the defender credit, but with Brown's offensive skill set, it's an off night. Good scorers always find ways to get their points no matter who is guarding them.
Na they didnt play great defense on brown. Brown played terrible. He took bad shots. And turned it over with no pressure from the defense. Alot of the shots he missed were layups and open threes.
loving these RUclips exclusives!
It makes perfect sense for horford and KP to play the same game of the back to back. It helps figure out the playoff rotation and then the other game is to let guys get minutes. They don't need to worry about winning every game
40 minutes of Bill Simmons talkin' about his favorite team? Why not? I'm in!
At least he doesn’t try to cover his bias @ss like other NBA media members who secretly root for Boston aka Zachy Lowe
Love’n the longer videos!!! Thank you
The Thunder have two nearly unguardable calls in their bag. The SGA stop on a dime dribble drive and the J Dub drive to the mid post, shoulder bump step back. I watched him murder the Nuggets all night and he must’ve done the same thing 10 12 times in that game. And when the game was on the line he did it to Tatum.
The J dub bump step back is starting to annoy me because of how often it works
JDub soooo underrated
i hate the celtics and the city of boston but i will listen to bill wax poetic because this is his happy place
whenever simmons talks about another player who's 26, he claims they're who they're gonna be for their career, but with tatum it's 'he's still not who he's gonna be'
just funny, they've been watching him lose series with more talent around him than his opponent for like 6 years now and he's still convincing himself that tatum's that guy
The Celtics vs Thunder game did have a finals feel or intensity to it for some reason. Am I the only one that felt that?
Sorta. To me it was just because it was two elite teams at 100% health
Shai is looking like Houston James Harden with how unguardable he is when he’s out there
wow the biggest insult i ve ever heard
Don’t disrespect James harden like that, he was averaging 60 point triple doubles for weeks at a time.
@@Lordandmaster26 lets not get to exaggerating here
@@Lordandmaster26 dude was taking 30 shots every other game
@@MultiBluedog123Harden was an offensive juggernaut are we being serious here? Like what are you trying to say that anybody could have done what he did?
Every time I hear Queta, I think it's Keita Bates Diop before realizing it's Neemias Queta
As a Mavs fan, listening to them talk about how Porzingis is their super power is so depressing. I don't know how much of the blame goes to Luka for that whole thing not working out - but I'm laying 100% of it at his feet in my heart right now.
Rick Carlisle needs some smoke, never played him right and his job as coach is to personality manage. It what makes Phil Jackson and Pop the goats.
lol it says a lot more about the players in boston that the guy who is horrible his whole career looks like the best player on the wannabe title team
Also Porzingis had to let his ego die on the wizards and realize he is best served as a 3rd option. In Dallas he wanted to be the 1st option. So a lot of it is timing, Iverson left like 4 more seasons on the table because of how hard that truly is.
same w brunson
@@denigsterif you think kp has been horrible his whole career you don't know basketball
Respectfully disagree on Brown’s bad performance as just typical bad playoff type game and that those turnovers are “unforced”. I’d like to think OKC’s defende had something to do with it.
giddey is not an "awful" 3 pt shooter he is 36% on the year but has been shooting even higher as of late
maybe watch him play instead of praying his numbers - if you than think he is not awful its on you^^
Ok Giddy is not “awful” but he’s not at all good either. Teams will continue to choose to sag off him & help/pack the paint. Unless he becomes a consistent shooter on higher volume.
@@denigsterthis makes no sense
Bill acting surprised and like it's a fluke that a starting nba guard (Giddey) makes open shots.
OKC a problem.. only thing I would say is OKC need size Portingas got anything he wanted.. Aside from that they next
Next😂 didn’t yall say that about Memphis
Lauri Markkanen was rumored to be on Presti’s watchlist awhile back but I think Utah wants the moon for him now. I agree though, they can beat anybody but in a 7 game series, I can see the lack of size, specifically on limiting second chance points, being a problem.
"This loss makes me like the Celtics even more." lol
more video bill! we are in the future!
I like how Bill wants to talk about the Big Picture and the other guy is like “No, but the celtics rebounds”
This is a video where Bill Simmons gets to talk himself into the Celtics being a favorite.
As it stands, they may be the favorite. The Thunderate there match, and all they’re missing is a big for Porzongis.
What happens if they flip their picks for Lauri Markenen, and Jordan Clarkson?
Holy Moly!! If that happens, the league goes through the Thunder forever!
Jrue has been pretty rough on the block and at the rim. I think most of it has to do with what they ask of him on the defensive end... not only is his assignment constantly changing he's always fighting through and over screens. In addition he's also running his ass off on switches and kick outs for 3. I think his legs are paying the price on the offensive end you can see it in his lift off and how often he front rims bunnies.
Tatum is a total poser, Mamba Mentality my arse....GEESH, Kobe would just look at him, like, YOU ARE DEAD TO ME. DEFEND. PUNISH. That is Mamba Mentality
Great call on Golden State as one of 10 best in NBA.
SGA seems to have the same sort of trickle down effect that the Joker has, I.e. the entire team even the second unit, seems smarter, passes better, etc. Shai doesn’t look spectacular (he is!) doing what he does, so teammates think “hey, I could do that too” (they can’t) and it stretches their game and court IQ. I think the Thunder are a piece or two away from making the finals. The rumored Markkanen trade sounds shrewd, so long as they don’t give up any of their top 8, just picks.
Jrue holiday was hands the worst on the floor Jb has a bad game & now he’s the problem again😂😂 stop throwing Jb under the bus he’s been more consistent then anyone on the team all season
This came down to three plays, all Jaylen. Top 6 Tatum chucking a horrific 3 with 4 minutes left was not one of them. The best part was Bill describing Jrue's play as Smart-ish and it being a compliment. Dude can't finish two sentences without contradicting himself.
here's the real questions
1. Does Joe choose not to make adjustments because he doesn't want to show all his cards in the regular season
2. Did Joe actually care about winning that game
3. Can Jaylen brown be an elite perimeter defending wing when the team needs him to ?
4. Is jayson Tatum playing with too much weight and that's why he can't get the lift in his jumpshot for his alarming decrease in 3pt makes
Tatum weighs too much? If anything, he needs to add weight.
Joe literally didn’t adjust to anything in the playoffs last season and it’s why we went to long series with the hawks and sixers
Joe Mazzula will lose the C's the championship at some point in this year's playoffs .. Book it ..... There will come a game where you need an ugly win with nuts and bolts of playoff basketball which is offensive rebounding, deflections, xtra possessions with hustle, FTs etc.... They have the players but the coach will jeopardize them I'm prognosticating....
Isn't it amazing that Porzingas didn't look that good in transition and didn't do much on ball when he played with Luka?
Yeah don't forget he came off 18 months without basketball in Dallas and then a meniscus tear after 2 games in bubble playoffs. He hasn't had any serious injuries for years now.
Is this Gordon Hayward or Sam Hauser? I can't tell with the shave.
Cant wait to see Tatum do his famous disappearing act in the playoffs again. Brown still cant go left lol.
Not an alpha to be seen on that roster.
Disappearing act... You guys are haters... 😂
I swear yall just mad cuz your teams suck 😂. People hate on tatum for the worst reasons. Dude' playoff resume clears damn near all his peers. But yea talk about disappearing acts by all means
@@truth3412 on what planet? Beta Tatum only been once to the Finals and hasn't been back since. Last year was a layup to go to the Finals
@@withalittlehelpfrom3 Beta Brown and Beta Tatum
Love all the reactionary people saying this is why the Celtics can’t win the chip. I think this is the reason many Western conference teams can’t win the chip but the Celtics played a great game and will have more ability to plan against matchups like this
The Celtics are soft. Any physical team will give them problems during the playoffs. 🤷🏻♂️
The NBA just hates the celtics. This shot is wild annoying. When the celtics win these mfers be like "they still aint gonna win", if they lose a game "thats why they wont win"
@@truth3412 - Well, welcome to the world of the Boston Celtics. It’s the same world as the Dallas Cowboys. One of the most visible, watched franchises in all of American 🇺🇸 pro sports. 🤷🏻♂️
Bill. This is literally not how the game went. Yes, the Celtics made the adjustment but the Thunder still figured it out afterwards and Jalen wasn't the only problem defensively lol. You've been on the Jalen hate train for so long, we get it. You want him traded lol.
I do not see Jaylen Brown on the Celtics next year. He’s still does not show up in big games.
whos taking that contract tho ? 😭
@@chal_1 Houston is perfect fit. Brown is still very valuable. He would be the MAN for the
Rockets. These days GM sign players just to trade them.
The refs were betting on this game alot alot alot of late whistlin in the crunch time waiting to see if tatum or porzinis miss to make a call
Giddey isnt awful at 3p %... he has improved year over year at around 35% this season
typical boston game - tatum cant get it done and brown gets blamed for it
So I suppose they decided to upload videos on struggling pods at the Ringer to drive more engagement. Bill pulled off the greatest heist in recent memory. Sold basically 2 pods for $100m. Everything else on the Ringer besides Bill’s pod and Rewatchables is worthless.
I cannot wait for May when Boston flops and Philadelphia flops and Milwaukee and Miami are in the conference finals. It's going to be hilarious watching you squirm 😂
Did he screw your girlfriend or something?
Bill is the best man idc if hes a homer
How does Brown make 70 million a year?? This might be the worst contract in the history sports. He can’t dribble 😂
You act like it’s coming out of you’re pocket 🤣
@Love.hammer999 right it's coming from yours fool 😂😂
This contract won’t look as bad in a couple years when role players are making 40-50mill. I wouldn’t have done the deal if I were the Celtics but it made sense for the future deals.
Stop pocket-watching lol
Thanks now I don’t have to watch the video or anything Bill says for the next 5 years.
Brown is still struggling with handling the ball which was a big reason they got beat by miami in the playoffs as good as boston seem they don't have the mentality to win the chip
I a thunder fan so I'll never forget that zombie sonics shit, but Bill's love for his team is enjoyable to hear.
I’m so glad the Tatum as some mvp convo is finally over. He’s a # 2 and he’s not even all that great at that. He’s just another guy.
Lmao the Tatum hate is really special
Porzingis is 7'2 and Wembanyama is 7'3 and a half barefoot.
Dame has been an ironman most of his career. Really only the last few years with the Blazers he missed significant time, and part of that was tanking.
RUclips over podcast release. I keep seeing this trend b/c video clips are better for socials. Sucks since pods are more convenient for listening to while walking, cooking, etc. I'll adapt but 👎🏾
There is always a podcast version.
This is under the Boston centric feed: Off the Pike.
Last night was as bad as I've seen Jrue play. He had no confidence in his own shot, unforced turnovers, and couldn't do anything productive on D.
Tatum is still better than SGA. His versatility on both sides of the ball is the main reason. this allows a team to deploy a wider variety of schemes in the playoffs when teams are rly playing chess -
offensively tatum is a better shooter from 3. tatum is a better screener. tatum is a better offensive rebounder. all of that makes him better off ball than shai. on top of that his physical stature creates more mismatches that teams are forced to address w a double
defensively he can guard 1-4 at an elite level and even some centers. he rebounds better than shai. better rim deterrent. overall better defender clearly.
you saw part of the effect of his versatility in this game. guarded chet well and then towards the end of this game shuts shai down when his all defensive team teammates couldnt get it done. its the reason they came back from down 18 and almost pulled off the come back
btw I LOVE SHAI. i think shai is better than luka but tatum has a greater impact on winning
giannis, embiid(when healthy), jokic, steph, tatum ,sga, luka, kd, ad, bron is my top 10 - could hear diff arguments at #10 but lebrons best is still better than any1 below him except maybe kawhi.
@@taylor7264how is he better than Luka?
@@kb5509 to me hes as good on offense given his pace and versatility - youre gonna win the possession battle more often w shai. he kills in transition. is better off ball which is an underrated part of making teammates better. he gets off it n lets teammates cook. all while scoring as, if not more, prolifically and efficiently. hes 6/7apg next to lukas 10 but still a great play maker.
we dont even have to talk abt the defensive end...stops n turnovers on that end reinforce his transition attack and emphasize points I made earlier
Also while it’s hard to stop Luka’s force feeding offense, no1 can guard shai either n his versatility on both sides gives a coach more options in the playoffs (similar to why I put tatum over shai)
tatum needs to learn from sga on how to put a team on your back
Sga scored 36 points!
Sounds like KP could not guard Giddy and blew it on Chet.
Can you please untangle your headphones 😂
How spoiled are we as fans that Porzingis, a 7'3" guy with shooting and wing skills who averages 20 ppg nearly every year, is considered just another guy? Is it an anti-Euro bias?
He hasn't shown enough in the post season up to this point. That's required to be considered more than another guy in the NBA.
Cason Wallace didn’t look great? I thought he was excellent.
You typically say you are impressed with his play against other teams. He was typical Cason. Hit one of two 3’s. 3 assists. Didn’t back down in anybody on defense and along with JDub was attacking on defense causing disruptions during the decisive early 4th quarter run.
If that didn’t impress you then I can understand that. Nothing monumental…. But it was the exact same Cason from every other game so maybe you need to reevaluate your opinion of him overall.
And… 0 turnovers in 17 minutes. Exactly what I want from him.
Celtics should have been blown out but we all saw the last 2 minutes with the refs. And ill just leave this here....
The Vegas odds was OKC +4.5.... What a coincidence.
Huh? So the Thunder covering by 8.5 pts instead of by 15 is a coincidence?
Yeah celtics had 29 attempts from the free throw line to okc 17 attempts.
porzingis was getting mugged all game in the paint
@@Wkndgolfer The spread was 4.5.
OKC was the underdog and if they won by more than 4, they would have beaten the spread and Vegas and/or bookies (possibly buying NBA refs for the third time in my life) would have lost WAY more than if OKC was within the spread.
@slightexag . And he went to the free throw line 9 times because of it.
Tatum is a great player but I just don’t think u can win the title with him as ur closer and best offensive player. He just gets big dogged by all the other superstars consistently in big games. At what point do we just say he doesn’t have the dog. I think the Celtics would be better if they acknowledged this and built a team around him where he doesn’t have to close big games. Like what the bucks did getting dame so Giannis’s offensive limitations aren’t the focus late in games.
Wait… does the 2021 run not do anything for him? I remember him being incredibly clutch against bucks, especially game 6 on the road. Yes, he collapsed in the finals but I think the narrative of him not being a dawg is overblown. Ive seen him be clutch in big moments
They already did dummy. To have KP and White help you close games is incrediblely valuable
@@AlanMane he had a great game 6 but everybody who watched that series saw Gianni’s be far and away the best player in the series. With Giannis at that level there is no way the Celtics beat a healthy bucks team that year. People forget Middleton did not play a single game in that series and it still went 7. Tatum can close games when he has an overwhelming talent advantage,but he is bad at getting the team into their offense late in games and makes poor decisions, takes terrible threes when he is by the numbers the worst high volume pull-up three point shooter in the league. He makes poor rim decisions late in games and does not see the floor well to give his team matchup advantages. The numbers bear this out as he has been a poor clutch player over the past couple of years. I genuinely like Tatum game I just don’t trust him in big spots against other great players.
@@sammygidsCould Tatum be the second best player on a title team?
And how about second or third team all-NBA this season?
I swear to God yall just say anything you feel. How is he always getting big dogged by other superstars when in his career hes only lost to Lebron, Giannis, KD/Kyrie/harden, Jimmy Butler and steph....but hes also beaten Giannis 2x and Embid 3x. You literally making shit up. Yes tatum didnt play well to his standards in the Finals. He still averaged 22/7/7. This comment is nonsensical if you make it to the finals and multiple conference finals as the #1 option. Noone thought lebron was ever gonna win until he did. Same thing for steph. Same thing for kobe and shaq. Same thing for jordan. But you dont just come out of nowhere, you gotta keep knocking at the door.
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Thunder are dangerous
Damn the Boston media mafia back at it again 😂😂
Who is gonna defend Embiid?!
If you cant score from under the basket and keep bricking does shots then you wont win :D
Jaylen Brown 320mio guaranteed !!!!!
… and 2nd year player J Dub can put his shoulder down in the clutch and simply kill the Celts like that. Highly sus.
This was a big game. A statement game and the Celtics are a big franchise with a seasoned contending team. At what point is Boston looking at Brown ?
Tatum is uber talented and skilled, he s not a killer. You can‘t afford Brown to earn this money and float around so often. When the war gets hot, i trust Horford and White to come through on the Celtics
If Brown has a decent performance we win that game😔
If if if😂
PLAY BRISSETT AND STEVENS. FIRE MAZZULLA. GUYS A CLOWN.
This game was only close cause the refs in the 4th. Sga took the foot off the gas when he got 5 fouls.
Why does bro keep looking left and right, its driving me nuts
As much hype sports media praises the Celtics they have 1 title in 35yrs
The Milwaukee bucks and raps have as many titles as this historic franchise is being praised the last 35yrs. The most overrated overhyped franchise ever in the last 35yrs. Sports media as much as they talk Celtics ball and jerk off to Tatum is embarrassing.
I’d say Tatum’s a pretty darn good player. Possibly a number two on a title team
Maybe yall see why bucks got rid of jrue 😂
for a top 75 player oat in dame lillard
@@kam_12_ if you had just watched the media the last few months you’d think that jrue was the top 75 player and dame was just some guy 😂
Media still mad the bucks got a superstar
How much do did they hate mazulla😂 to be honest I think he's an analytics nerd that doesn't feel the game.
Best loss in Celtics history! -BS
The issue with Joe is that he takes too long to make adjustments when it's just too late. Also, he needs to pull Jaylen from the game and bench him when he sucks. Completely awful performance . When Jaylen is bad, he is rotten.
That dudes accent makes me feel so irrationally angry.
Brown contract is a wonderful topic that nobody talks about. 70 million for a player that might be the third best.
Lol this is a celtics pod
Yeah. It’s Off the Pike which is a Boston podcast
Tatum overrated
I know you guys are Boston Homer's, but come on.
I can’t be the only one who’s sick of Bill’s “second row joe” shit.
Let’s calm down,This is the regular season.The thunder aren’t legit contenders until they get another shot creating veteran.
Can keep saying that but at some point they have to start losing. Everyone can feel they’re close